75: Once Upon A Time ... In Dunkin with Ezra Koenig

To celebrate, we wanted to tell you about a fungal hallucinogen that makes bugs party till their boots fall off. Guys, I'm obsessed with this. I talked about it on the Daily Zeitgeist um when I guess it a like a while ago. But we really need to talk about the party bugs. So cicadas are being infected with a fungus that makes that This obviously, by the way, comes from

live science. Where else would it come from. So this fungus has traces of amphetamines in it, and as a result, it makes the bugs like jittery and they kind of they're like part They're dancing and they're having sex with each other. They have sex with whoever is around um, and then the fungus makes their bodies explode and legs are flying off and guts are spraying everywhere, and it's crazy a party. Their butt falls. Yeah, it's hallucinogens and amphetamines.

Their traces of that in the fungus. UM it's the massapora fungus. So where's this happening, Like, where's the fungus? The pocatos are everywhere? The people doing research where at the University of West Virginia UM And so I guess the fungus is sexually transmitted. So the males infected with Massapora will try to populate with each other, imitating the behavior of female cicada in order to lure an unsuspecting male, another potential host for the zombie like fungus, says Live Science.

So they fly around, they're spraying everybody with guts. They're called flying flying salt shakers of death by the leader of this study. Looking from my lost salt shaker of death. Nice. So anyway, look out for for flying body parts of bugs. It don't worry, it's just the zombie fungus in their brains. Don't worry. Don't worry about the party bugs. Speaking of party bugs, it's the fiftieth anniversary of the Tatee Manson murders. As we we didn't do this on purpose because we're

not edge lords. We just one to mentions. We're talking about once upon time in Hollywood. I feel that enough time has passed by the time you're listening to this, which we'll be honest, we don't know when that is quite yet, but we know it'll be soon. Soon within the time warp it will. Yeah, we'll yeah, you'll you'll be hearing this. Hopefully you've seen the movie. We talked a lot about it a little bit in our newsletter, which if you are um, did we talk about it?

I forget where we are, thoughts live. Sometimes. We talked about it on the newsletter, which you can be subscribed to if you support us on Patreon at patreon dot com slash nightcall Um, but we haven't actually talked about it on Mike altogether. And now I'm feeling like I should just see it again because I feel like I

need to have a new, a new like perspective. I'm talking about this movie with you guys because I feel like every conversation I've had with it, I'm like outnumbered screen, you liked be esthetic a lot, but you didn't you weren't super pleased with the narrative. Yeah, I still don't.

I still feel like people are. I still feel like when I see people talking about Once upon a Time in Hollywood being Tarantino's most empathetic um or like grown up or emotionally mature movie, I don't follow that logic. I feel like people want the movie to be that, and like that desire for it is enough to get you there, but like I don't know, Like the the end of the movie, I still can't really I still can't really see. And again we're spoiling this all the

way because you've seen this movie by now. I cannot see Leonardo DiCaprio low torching a teenage girl as um like mature. Interesting. Again, That's why I think it's also

an alt right movie. They were going to murder other people the rest passing with the intention you could you could there's a there's a lot of ways you could shoot you there's not shoots the wrong word in this case, but like there's a lot of ways you could film I'm murdering it like you're you're you're doing the like the Minority Report logic on this, which I feel like I don't necessarily want to see someone burnt to a crisp with my Minority Report logic. I guess I've never

see Minority Reports see crime logic? You mean yeah, like a yeah read Philippi Dick. But yeah, should I see Minority Report? Oh? Absolutely, Minority Reports Great. I mean I think I saw it in the theater for the podcast for it. Well, I'm down. There's a there's a chase where he like hops on floating cars. Just do a sci fi dystopia series. Yeah. Absolutely, Minority Reports pretty great. I watched it somewhat recently and it holds up. I like this movie a lot. I'm such a mark for it.

I don't know if I could even have a subjective opinion about it. I had no. I was not like looking forward to it at all. The whole advertising campaign. I wasn't like amped or anything. My friend was like, I'm buying tickets at the Dome, and I was like, okay, cool, But I really enjoyed it. Well, I think I didn't expect to like, well, know this the Brucely part. The Brucele part was the first time we all agreed that that was maybe I'm projecting more. But that's the thing.

I guess. It's like, is it a movie, is it taught like I'm Is it an indictment of masculine bullshit? Or is it praising it? I think it's an indictment. I think it is too. I do not think so Brabi killed his wife. But if you're not supposed to like him, but they make it funny, it is funny. But I also just like, again, I'm like such a mark for hippie's plantation movies. I'm a mark for all this stuff too. And that's the thing that I was expecting.

I was not looking forward to seeing this movie. But I was also like, I'm gonna watch this movie and then I'm gonna come out like begrudgingly loving it. Like that's gonna be my feeling because that happens to me somewhat for were you like not enough manson girls? No? Oh no. But I also didn't think that. I didn't feel like he had anything to say about the man's singirls,

like I don't. I feel like everything was served up, all the things that I like and think are interesting were served up with like very little context or comment around them. I didn't really and I feel like so I feel like a lot of the stuff that people are bringing to it is like their own, their own stuff. I think that's true. But do you think that's true about every movie? I feel like that was intentional, And I think with Tarantino especially, it's like people bring so

much to their own I don't think with Taranto. Tarantino is always screaming at you what he wants to. But this is just like such a flex also Tarantino, you know you like it or you don't. Yeah, I mean, I I was talking in our in our chat, like I love Kill Bill. I particularly like like Kill Bill part two, Like that's my favorite Quentin Tarantino movie. And I I am like gen generally like willing to be

willing to be won over? You not went over by Margot Robbie that the human embodiment of the Smiley not really? Did you not find her charming? I thought she was just charming. She's charming. Yeah, but it's like, again, there's not that much in that, you know, Like I mean, it's it's like it's very like surfacing, you know, like there's so like when people are also like this is the most nuanced portrait of a woman that that Tarantino has ever brought us, and that's not true. But Jackie

Brown is his best movie. And to me, I'm like, this feels grown up and emotionally, so this feels closer to that than his things he's done since then to me, because at least it's taking on the idea of like

aging at all. The other about it being more personal, which I think is definitely you feel, and I think that what I appreciated his kind of like however, he was confronting things that he's had to kind of deal with, like with you know, like the karmen Ghia and like the you know, when Brad Pitt's driving in his hair is whipping around, it's very evocative of the scene with Uma Thurman that then blew up and we now know, like what a dick Quentin Tarantino Wasn't do you think

that's like a couldn't like that's so like you think he was like doing that intentionally? Well, I know that.

I mean obviously the reason that he uses the karmen Gie, I think his dad had one, and so it's like appeared a lot, but there was something that was so the winding road, the hair whipping, or it was so it's so mirrored that that I felt like he was putting it into kind of like comment on it, and I wonder and part of it seemed to me to be like a nostalgia for having like having had his moment, you know what I mean, like feeling like he speaked

that stuff is there. And I think that's why the Margot Robbie stuff works for me, because she didn't have to have so much death as much as she had to represent what it feels like, what it feels like to be at the top of your game. This like very kind of brief window where you're on touchable and you're you're representing like you know what how people are feeling and like how people are viewing things. You're at the center of it, and then you move out of

that and it's very threatening to everybody. But it's like an amazing thing to have, right because I don't think he villainized her at all, and she was clearly the representative of like, like I think people who are like he's against the hippies and against the second part of the sixties. It's like, I don't think that's what it is at all. Also, the funniest thing to me is that Leonardo DiCaprio's parents are hippies. His dad is like a semi famous alternative comics guy. He was like friends

with our crumb uh. And the fact that Leonardo DiCaprio in real life became like a bro to rebel. It's very funny. But yeah, Like, I don't think it's critical of the new stuff. I think the whole point is like you can't avoid it. You can only like there's somebody somebody says something and at some point about like you can just do whatever you can with the amount of time you have. Yeah, I think it's just realizing you're only going to get to make a few more movies.

So like, okay, so then when when they blowed torch the Manson Girl, is that like is that like is that this is the point of that to be like, look at what happens if you're so stuck in your ways that like you have to violently reject whatever like what. So I don't know, but here's what I think about that. I think it's like somebody, uh my friend Sam Sweet, who does All Night Menu, said he thought it was like a like a great Trump movie because it's like

a post truth movie. It's a movie where it's like history is whatever you say it is. Yeah, that's that's been his yea for a while. Yeah, it's like that guy who wrote all the books about where the what if the South had won? Right now? It's that might be his next movie. Yeah, I mean that was Django kind of it was the opposite, but it wasn't as

funny as this. I think it's just like some of that stuff felt well because in those movies and Inglorious Bastards and in Djingo, you're talking about like like the huge regiemes, whether it's slavery or the Nazis, like these are and they can be seen in the abstract and represented by a few people in the context of a film. But what is being violently taken down a historically and those films is the concept that they those people represent

in it. And in this I don't think that there's a big enough concept unless you're talking about like all of hippie dem or like all of the counterculture. Like, so it's not I think I don't think it's about that.

I think it's about fantasy violence and film being a totally different thing from real life violence, you know, and how it's like you can totally enjoy fantasy violence and film and it doesn't have any core like you because when they first show him blowtorching the Nazi, it is like so satisfying to see somebody blowtorching a Nazi because you're just like, oh, I wish I could do that.

That's everybody's fantasy right now, son are because when they're leading up to it, you're just like expecting to see this real life thing in the play on the anti say patient of her, and then the fact that you need a cathartic relief. It's but like, what did you guys feel that? Because I thought, like, what did you? I just thought they didn't show the murdering pregnant Charon Tate like I thought they were going to. They murdered somebody else, but the person is it real? It doesn't matter.

It's a fantasy that's neither like but neither is Margot Robbie as But like you know that in real life, it's like if they had shown that, no matter how they would have shown it, it would have glamorized it in some way, and I thought it would be great that twist came up and before that was widely known that that was the thing that happens in the movie you're still paying for, like to see what you could leave to be an adaptation. How fucked up are you that you want to see that? It was like I

felt like a gotcha. That's the whole thing about the Manson murders is like they're so glamorized and turned into entertainment, but it's like the most fucked up thing to have happened, and it affected a lot of real people that truly like subversive thing would be that nobody violently dies, like that would be them. That would be a good movie. That would be a bad movie because like, like nothing about the rest of that movie says somebody's got to die.

It is the most chill ask for the fact that there's a real that you know that the real characters are there, that you think that you know the ending, and then you see like the gears turning to ramp up like you're going up on the roller coaster. But then you know, I think what Molly said, it is true that you're anticipating seeing this grizzly murder that actually happened, recreated, and you realize that you do because it's the story of that you you don't want to see it. You're like, no, no, no,

don't happen. But then you also know that you can't just not have anything happen, because did I think such a good job of making you be like Sharon Tate? Was this like the most vibrant person in the world that everybody was drawn to and it was like a total random accident that it was her. You know that it wasn't like planned around Rosemary's baby or anything. And again, I think the fact that they didn't you was it

wasn't like specific. I don't know, it was kind of a specific, which is why I was also like, they're just like red Shirts getting torched. Maybe that's my girl boss feminism is. I don't care if the Red Shirts or teenage girls if they're murdering. But you know what I wonder, I do wonder if Emily is right like seeing it a second time and it may kind of take the pleasure out of it a little bit, Like now, especially now that we've had this discussion, I think that

a lot of it. It is a movie that's probably best watched once, Like you're only going to get that. People are also like too sympathetic to the Manson girls in general because they have good fashion, and I don't think the people are sympathetic to me. But this is the thing, is that I think this movie made me

more sympathetic. And for about five seconds before what happened happened, this movie made me more sympathetic to the Manson girls than anything I've seen before because they make this argument the reason that they decided to go kill Rick Dalton instead is like we've been brought up on this culture of violence and like TV heroes and stuff, and what if we like went and killed that guy, that would be more more interesting symbol than killing Sharon Tate or

whoever we think is in that mansion. Um. And that felt more purposeful than like what they were actually doing, um in real life. Uh, And that felt more interesting for a second. Not that I mad made me side with them, but it was like, that's at least some kind of like, uh principle that you're operating off of instead of some some like gobbledygook like handed down to you by Manson. Well, don't you also feel like that may have been Tarantino feeling like he's been under attack

for violence in movies like Playing Well. I think it's also notable that he didn't double down on having somebody say the N word in this movie, because he super seems like the kind of person who would be like, Oh, you don't want me to do something, I'm going to

do it a hundred more times. But it did. But it did also feel to me like a weird absence because maybe it's just because when they were filming it, they had a bunch of fake black panther recruitment posters as set dressing um, and I kind of expected that to come into play more, which is that the way Manson was able to like weaponize the paranoia of everybody was that he was also weaponizing, like he thought he

was weaponizing white paranoia about black radicals. You know, the absence of that feels like telling like in his In this telling of this story, the Manson murders are about the loss of a beautiful like women who died before she became truly famous, instead of like a super racist,

like deranged rhetoric around like a race war. Well, that was the thing too is I was like, it actually would have been powerful if he had shown Manson saying it, because if the whole point had been like, hey, this white guy saying it and he's not cool, you know, and he is brainwashing people, Like it's a very selective understanding of what like, it's very a very cherry picked, like a few elements of what the Manson family was all about in order to serve a purpose. But I'm

not even sure what the purposes. And the purposes is to remind you that Shampoo is a really good movie always. I also found out from this that Goldie Hawns character in Shampoo is based on Sharon tate Um, as well as that she was the inspiration for Malibu Barbie, speaking of Gidget, apparently Malibu Barbie was like patterned off of her in the movie Don't Make Waves Um. I was also obviously very excited there's so much Dino in this movie. Maybe that the night called brain power is real. Well.

I thought that was interesting too, because he was another you know, I talked about this a lot on Karina long Words book Club podcast, But yeah, he's a total icon of like a past era of masculinity trying to force his way into the sixties, and that clip from that maybe it really shows how awkward it is. It shows it's such a good example of why New Hollywood needed to happen. Like if you ever like, why did

we need Easy Rider? There's like so many bloated sixties comedies like that where you're just like, somebody spent money on this. Um, guys, we will for sure be talking more about once spont a time in Hollywood after we've all seen it a second time. But in the meantime, I think we're out of time for today. We're so happy to have Emily back in l Ay and we're going to bring on our guest as Arcane Egg from

Vampire Weekend to talk about anime and other things. We'd like to welcome our very special guests as Arcane Eg from Vampire Weekend, whose new album Father of the Bride came out earlier this year. He also hosts the excellent talk show Time Crisis on Apple Music and is a long time Nightcall supporter, psychically spiritual supporter. He's ascended, He's a fully ascended member. UM. We were just talking about how Coffee Bean has a new line of beverages based

off the show Friends. This coincides with what is a pottery barn or Crete and Barrel also doing a Friend's themed line. There's a lot of Friends things coming out and make friends person Well, you know, I I did like Friends when I was a kid, and I have a memory of, uh when when probably being in six or seventh grade and being at the mall with my mom. I can't imagine what store this would have been. And I remember, like a lot of kids at school like Friends,

and I've seen it. I thought it was a good show and there was a friend's T shirt for sale, and she, you know, she let me buy some shirts here and that she even let me get a dead Kennedy's T shirt once, which she found offensive, but she she like respected my right to get a dead cool mom. I appreciated that. But for some reason she put her foot down. I don't know if she'd already like, you know, bought me a shirt recently, but she was just like, no,

you can't get that shirt. And I remember I was kind of come on, I want to I want this friend's T shirt and she was like, no, you can't get it. And then um, I remember thinking reflecting on that you know when I was an adult and thing like thank you, I'm really good. She knew you were too good for that friend shirt. Yeah. I was really into T shirts too, but for some and then when I look back on the shirts that I used to have, it was like kind of a classic like type of

kids like Dead Kennedy's shirt. I had, like the classic Akira T shirt. Um, and uh yeah, the Friends would have like totally totally thrown off the collection. So I was really a fan of being the person whose personality is buying shirts from the store at the mall. Well or did you get any of these mail order catalogs that? Yeah, I like, I used to like pour over there was like there's one called like Rockabilia that was all just various rock T shirts. In fact, that's hound became familiar

with a lot of bands. Was just like, through looking through the shirt catalog, totally shirts. I feel like. Um, that was one of the first things I did on the internet too. I was like, oh, you can buy things online. Let's see how many band T shirts I can buy. But I've never seen in real life, but

might exist. I remember those Friends shirts though, I mean that was maybe my first awareness of the show as well, was just like the shirt, the shirt and the hat with the embroyos on it, which I feel like now probably goes for like a thousand dollars. They make all the stuff now. Again, because you've seen kids recently, because friends friends, I've heard that that young people love friends um way more than Seinfeld. But but also did some

streetwear brand make like a friend's hoodie? I'm sure. I feel like when I've been like in Soho in New York, or like on Fairfax in l A, I see I see the level of friends gear that I see seems to be not just like, oh you guys like friends. It seems like I wondered, did some prominent did like Supreme do a friends drop or something someone that said enemies in the front. Yeah, yeah, And last I mean I would have gotten contemporarily with friends. I think it's

just like kids of the nineties. It's like the seventies, they also love friends special. I think that's because even though we knew it wasn't realistic for these people to be like having these existences that they paid for with coffee shop money or whatever, it's happy days. Well, I think maybe now it seems believable that in the nineties that was everything was better. Yeah, like that was a very realistic portrayal of hang out at coffee shops a lot. Yeah,

because we were looking at our phones. We had to look at coffee, but it was because we were like smoking cigarettes and trying to meet friends, trying to meet they made friends. Well, I just watched a bunch of Friends accidentally, just because I woke up stupidly early in Atlantic City this last weekend and had nothing better to do.

Apparently it was. It was real bad. I've probably watched every single episode of Friends at some point or another because it was syndicated along with Seinfeld, and it would be like on like five PM, like primed of you watching hours for me, So I'd watched, I'd watch the Friends that I'd watched the Seinfeld, so I know I've seen them all, but like, I was never that into It was just one of one of those things again,

one of these things that doesn't happen now. You just watch something kind of involuntarily because it's on, And I never thought Friends was funny, and then it was very vindicating to watch it back and be like, no, this is like not working for me. I don't think it ever worked for me. They played at the Vet, I've noticed because it's like a calming show. But then it

was very calm, very give it to that. But they played um that we were on a break one when I was at the vet recently, and like they gave my dog back to me and I was just like, I'm gonna just stay, just have to finish this up. It's a very intense episode. But then I also noticed that they play friends and gidget is another popular thing to play it like high intensity waiting rooms the show.

The show, it was like because I mentioned to someone that I that they were playing it at a doctor's office and they were like, oh, yeah, they always play that at my mom's nursing home. I was like, oh, is gidget somehow like straight to the vein calming? It is? It kind of is I can watch Sally Field surf on a green screen. People seem to feel that way about the Office too. Yeah, we don't feel that way

about the Office at all. I think it's the same teams who are obsessed with the Twins, Let's be honest, like who are obsessed with friends also, and the Office is like the other show. They're both fantasy. Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, yeah, because I'm one of my friends. Is this guy sein Felt two thousand, Yeah, he works on time Crisis and so you know he has this he's you know, his like skin crawls when anybody talks about Friends, because he's still fighting this like old long lost war

of like Seinfeld versus Friends. But I was thinking about it and it's kind of like, yeah, this question why would Friends still be so popular? And you always see this stuff about how it's like it's like tied with Stranger Things for the most watched show on Netflix, and it really when we're talking about like Netflix stock price, they're always like, well, you know, keep in mind they don't own Friends and they're losing. It's a really big

talking point. But as you just think about, you I can't realize like Friends was always just kind of yeah, comfort calming, feel good down the middle, middle brow television. Bad ever happens on it, and it's like it's fun. It kind of does appeal to anybody, so it appeals to kids, I think for the same reason it was a very popular show. Then what's really weird is the fact that Seinfeld was ever the most popular show. It it is a weird, kind of mean spirited show. That's

the anomaly that was watching it back. It also, I think it's just also the difference between three camera shows and like mockumentary shows. To me, I think of The Office as being like from a different time period than Friends, because it's like all the shows look like The Office now, but they used to all look like And the shows that are three camera look like they're from the fifties now.

But you know, multi camp is so much easier to shoot, Like, it's really interesting single cam versus multiicam for the people who work on them. But it's easier to make funny too. It's true. It's true edite. You can have all these like smash cuts, reaction shots. The single cam shows are all really multicams. They all shoot with like three cameras. Uh. We're talking about the Friends. Beverages and nineties beverages, bringing it back the best nineties beverage a corner called Beverage Chat.

We wanted to talk about what's the best nineties beverage. It's not Frusca. Oh I love Fresca. I'll stand for Fresco. I used to do a Fresco vodka I like Fresca. Um I was, I was going to save this to talk about my show, but really we are vampiing content. But I think that, yeah, this could be a multipart conversation. But yeah, so I remember Fresca from the nineties at the super nineties drinking. You can, I can picture what it looked like, and it was it had this kind

of like Grandma vibe. It was a Grandma diet, but yeah, it was. It was lady oriented because it was calorie free. Also Grandma Grandma's grapefruit, and it was it hapkened back to the breakfast of the half grape the grapefruit diet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like it's a grape fruit diet compatible. So you know, it had this kind of older, kind of uncool look. Yeah,

like a Grandmon Florida vibe. Recently, I was shocked to see at a pizzeria that at some point, maybe a year or two ago, Fresca had rebranded to fully steal the San Pellegrino soda aesthetic. So the new cans of Fresca dropped the whole like, this is a diet, a diet, grapefruit beverage. And now they almost to the point of like copyright infringement. They made it look like, you know, like the San pelagran Cans like around chat or whatever all they like. Now they made it look like a

classy Italian soda. Fresco. Oh, they totally did this is I had a friend who talked about like she went to Italy and drank all this Orangina and then came home and found out it was like a Coca Cola product. Yeah. I was just like, oh, Orangina, this is class That

was my god, You're right, it is totally. A couple of months ago to Pizzeria in New York, I was shocked that also, and then you got to imagine that I guess Fresco sales were down and they were like Fresca, yeah, like it seems to grandma, it doesn't appeal to millennials. And they were just like, let's make it. No. I'm like, I'm drinking a lacuoix right now. They have not changed

their label since the nineties. It's the most nineties Midwest. Yeah, everybody should follow this lead, like this should be the because it's to me like the late eighties. I was listening to some podcasts I can't remember which one it was, But they were talking about the brand identity of Lacroix over the years and how everybody from the Midwest is like when it became cool and popular, I don't know,

like how long has been a thing now? How long? Yeah, there was I remember there was the stories that it was very it was a common Midwest only it was a very Yeah it was midwe because I think it's from it's from Wisconsin. Um, there's a town called And it was just the kind of thing that like mom's like I remember like a friend of mine, my mom didn't get it, but my friend's mom would, like they had a fridge in the basement that was just like stacked with the Lacroix. So every time I would go over,

I'd be like, cool, I'm gonna take two. But it was like not a like my friend thought that I was dumb for liking it so much. Everybody thinks it's like European. Yeah. I think we're going to trend away from the flavored sodas that have no additives because I think spin drift is a better alternative. I'm drinking a little so that's the one that salter with like teena tiny bit of juice. It's like they have BlackBerry raspberry lime. It has no sugar, but as it's like if you

squeeze an actual it's like a salt with lemon. But I appreciate that they tried. And you know what I have to say I really miss is juice Squeeze. Is that still around? My parents used to j squeeze What that is? It was like juice carbonate j it was. That's what I get on a plane. I get like a half and half orange juice and soda. That's I'm going to say. The most nineties beverages chai lattes. Oh, but I love chili to me too. That's that's in

the getting spracked. You wouldn't say it was the ice blended or the frappuccino because I kind of think the chai has existed long before the nineties and exists for but the frappuccino ice blendid that was a door that closed. I think we're moving past. You're right, the frappuccino is funny too, because it's just a milkshake, right, No, it's a couple. It's a coffee milkshake. But it doesn't come from the fact that the East Coast. Don't they call

milkshakes FRAPs? East Coast, East Coast they do well. They in Boston. They in Boston and Boston. Yeah, like like frapp like frappe. They caught a frap and they at friendlies, for instance, they saw bought it from like a coffee shop in Boston that did this like coffee milkshake called a frappuccino in Starbucks bought the concept. Oh, frapp rigns I think also called them FRAPs. It was. It's like it was just a I think maybe Massachusetts and Rhode

Island thing, right. I feel like on the East coast of state to state various quite a bit like hobies and grinders and stuff. I was like, the this is very East Coast to although there's more here now a dunkin Donuts their version. This is before there were frappuccinos everywhere. It was called the coffee coolata. I still all still like drop a cool lot of reference here and there and just to get a body on the room, just

to see. Well, that's one of my favorite like stupid jokes, just like that I can't stop doing, even though I know it's just confuses people and then they generally don't find it funny. But anytime, um, I'm like meeting somebody, if if if it ever comes up that they're like, oh, do you want to like grab coffee to bring to wherever we're going, I just can't help it. I always have to say like, oh, yeah, I got us two

cookies and cream, coffee, cool, lot of blasters. I I just know people are just always like, oh, why would you lie about? It's so stupid And also it's like it's a pointing when you don't have that. The best case scenario is they're just is they're just get kind of like, oh I just wanted a black coffee and then I have to explain. And then worst case scenaria like what are you talking about? You just making something up for no reason. But I just find that just

to me, Yeah, only I find that fun. Just the idea that somebody asked you to grab some coffees and you grab them, especially cookies and cream kind of a meal in itself. Our friend Lindsay Webber of the podcast who Weekly is a super Duncan fan and a super cool lott Of fan, so she'll be very excited about this colts are great. The problem with dunkin Donuts is that there's not The coffee is so weak, but I still love it. That's why you have to drink like

a gallon of it compared to other coffee drinks. Is just a very weak it maybe like not as dark a roast or something. My main opposition to it is that they still are very dependent on styrofoam, and I hate carrying a styrofoam cup around. But other than that, I like dunk But that's so eat doesn't sound like the type. The thing we'll find out soon is better for the environment. Right, you can just start making ship. Yeah, did you guys see this that tote bags are bad

for the environment? Why because people are making more toebags now than anybody knows? What is it? Because they when they break down the fumes. I don't know why that came out. I was really felt personally vindicated by which is that the scooters are bad for the environment. I was happy. They're just as bade me, tell me, what make many emissions and they die really fast, and also the people they create more emissions because of the people

driving around to drop them off all the time. But they make just as much emissions as a city bus or a car. Yeah wait, they're electric, though not really I guess they have the electric gasoline in them. Way, it was a study. I need more information. We can

say whatever we want now. Like a good metaphor for for people who can hate like the urban liberal elite is to be like picture a bunch of adults riding around on scooters, feeling good about it, and then a giant truck coming truck blasting fumes comes to pick it up. To the cartoons. Yeah, you get to feel good about

saving the environment. I I just have. I've been thinking about this a lot, especially this time out, because I need to like figure out I need to figure out how I'm going to get to my new job and everything, and which is like relatively close and I could theoretically take a scooter to it. You could take a horse. I could. Honestly, it's open. I could get I can make horses. My friend who works at City Hall road one for the first time, and he study totally acient

and wiped out. And then it was like he kind of felt like he got what he deserved. But I was like, that's also really funny to think about somebody in a suit, just like wiping out on a scooter. It's like falling down. Well in New York now they have these Revels scooters which are real like full size scooters like best besides scooters that are all electric and apparently you can just check them out the same way that you do a bird scooter. Um, and they come

with a helmet in them. But like I think here you have to have a license to drive a moped or something. Not really you can, but you have to wear a helmet. Nobody wears a helmet. A friend of ours h ship just driving over a pothole and guanas and like broke his arm and it's already it's like the streets are now just like littered with the corpses. There's like way too many. And that's my that's my

thing about it as an aesthetic complaint. Well, speaking of Neo Tokyo, right, yeah, um, we wanted to just talk for a moment about other Is it true that you were a listener to Emily's anime podcast. I heard this from Justin Charity, who I was just talking to about boxing. Thank you for being the number one super fan of Emily's podcast. And I was listening to the last episode. You guys talking a little bit about anime here. So it's not over. Oh yeah, no, no, we bring it in,

but get into it for sure. You like to honor all of our dead podcasts on this podcast. They all have a few under our belt. You Yeah, we did this episode about Angel second, I remember you like send a tweet about it because there's so few. Uh, it's such a weird movie. People don't there's not a lot of information to find about it. Yeah, it doesn't have It's not the kind of thing that necessarily invites a big following, or at least like in the structure of

anime fandom. I guess that was contemporary to it, But now I feel like people if it had it, like if it had a rediscovering hour, if they put it on Netflix or something, people would get into it just because it's like so esthetically. Well, they've been putting a lot of anime on Netflix. It seems like, yeah, you guys are talking about Neon Genesis. Yeah, yeah, did you watch the new No? Well I didn't. Part of the well that I actually learned from listening to you guys

that that they made some editorial decisions. Well, yeah, it's a it's a minor one. It was one that bugged me. I ended up watching it all on Netflix just because it's so easy. Uh, And I don't watch I don't watch the dubs, So I think some people didn't like the dub but I never watched it, so I don't know. But um no, I mean it's great. It still makes me cry, like it still does the job. Were you ever a big fan of it? Yeah? And I remember

having to watch it on just like super weird. It's it's unbelievable how difficult it was to watch it back in the day. You have to have like an anime dealer, yeah you, or you had to as like some I I used to email this guy in Canada who made like yeah, like I had a friend who had all this anime, but he like went really out of his way like find things. But it was so much harder And now it's so much easier, and it feels like a lot of kids just watch it all the time,

which is great. Although the one question that I have is do I feel like there's a bit of a generational divide because it's like eighties and nineties stuff. I'm still waiting for like the Treasure Trove to you know, to to finally get dumped onto some streaming because I actually feel like a lot of a lot of people I don't even know what the cut off would be

under thirty or something like really into anime. They the style and like the shows that they like are so much like more intense and flashier than than some of these things that we're talking about. I wonder, yeah, I wonder if they would even people have such different points of reference for it. But I feel like there's so much eighties and nineties stuff. What are this stuff that's

like your holy grail that you wanted. There was a show that I remember it was very difficult to find called Marmalade Boy that that, to me, is the type of show that it's like that that's just like my ship.

It shows like Marmalade and and and also I was always interested in it because Franks it's towards the end of the first season or in the second season, it partially takes place in New York to like always love these surreal things that take place in New York made by people who friends Yeah, and Seinfeld shows made far away from New York City. The New York of the Mind. So I feel like something like Marmalade Boy, Like, yeah, like when is that from like late eighties, early nine?

I think it was like early nineties. I like, what's the deal with Marmalade Boy. I've never really watched it, but it's just like kind of a romance, like cute comedy.

It's a cute comedy. It's I think it starts with two sets of parents getting divorced and then getting with each other and the kids have to you know, yeah, but yeah, like like that era of kind of like romantic and then there's this other I mean, I'm sure that this, uh, this show is very very problematic by modern standards, but it's interesting for a lot of people that I know. It's like their reference to anime is

Golden Boy. All the boys are all the boys, Golden Boy is insane, and it's like it's about like a really horny boy man. I don't know how he's supposed to be young man who kind of has a heart of gold. And I think at some point maybe they played it at like four am on MTV or something.

So it's very random. Like some people like, oh anime, like you know, when you talk to people we aren't huge fans, they'll drop, like, especially if they're from like depending on what country they're from, they'll drop the most random reference because it just happened to be syndicated. I feel like Golden Boys on TV and Russia or something

that's Russian people really into. So he's like very horny, and every episode he gets a different job and usually he has to like fight his horny nous and then he kind of learns a valuable lesson and one of the episodes he actually gets a job in an anime studio. So it's like very meta, but it's a yeah, and you can imagine like the women the way they're doing. I think it's also like, yeah, in America, we still have this idea that like animation means the thing is

for children. Yeah, so there's a lot of horny stuff in anime or for like just abject failures of human beings or so like if you're still watching cartoons, then it's like and you're an adult, then it means like the cartoons are not like an adult art form. Yeah, which, yeah, it's why all the good anime is not from America. Yeah, I don't know. I mean now, like well, well, you you made a show that was like, I don't know if it's if you don't do you refer to it

as an aime. I know that this is like a controversial. It was like, yeah, I was just I was just called it a cartoon, but it was in a Japanese studio actually animated in Korea, but so it's a lot of Japanese stuff. Um, yeah, I always call it a cartoon. But the yeah, and and it's it's interesting. People get very like and it's funny because to some people like to call something animals like this, you know, Badge of Honor,

like that's real anime. You know, people be like, well, you know Avatar, the Last Airbend, that's not anime, that's animate influenced American. You know, people get into that stuff. And then but it's funny that people be so precious about it because there's other people You're like, do you like animals? Like no, that sucks. I'm not a nerd. So you have either people very precious a bat or people who just dismiss it out of that Yeah, it's

uh cool. They're doing um like Crunchy Role is doing original animation now, like I think They've announced a couple of shows, and that's also been very controversial because it's like, why are they making new shows? They should be just bringing older shows back on the plant. Companies can't afford

to just be aggregators. But I'm like, I'm like bringing on though, like like like I would like there to be more, Like I would like for there to be writer's rooms for adult oriented animated shows in the United States, right that aren't just post Family Guide type of comedy. Yeah, yeah, something episodic and weird and yeah, like I think that's like, yeah,

that you can do so much with the animation. I feel like we were talking about this because I saw The Lion King, which is like the greatest argument for two D animation. You know, it's like, wow, you can do so many things in two D animation you like just can't do in computer animation. And they're both good, Yeah, to do different. Turns out that drawings are nice and

people like them. Yeah, I think we all like late eighties and like, yeah, that Tess is not a big I'm just sitting quietly, but I was actually totally one over by being Puppy Cat, which I don't know if you guys I actually had to look it up because I found it by mistake. My whole family was sick like six months ago and we'd run out of things that you know, we could all kind of like deal with,

and I was like, oh, what's this be? And Puppy Cat And it is a Natasha Allegory web series about a very depressed girl named b who's like quirky and can't hold down a job. And then she has this like sort of surly pet that's like mostly a cat but partially a dog, and they go to like other planets and like get swallowed up by things. And I was totally like meant for adults, but then my kids were watching it and I was like, yeah, fuck it, but they loved it. They were like she like why

is she so sad? And I was like, I think these like struggling like she's in her late twenties and not coming together for being Yeah, I love. I feel like we also say this love, but we all sort of like those really indane anime that are just about like doctor Cats is like, yeah, Doctor Kats is are like a mundane animal. Oh yeah. And I mean even when when we were made our cartoon near Yokio that the original idea partially was just that we just wanted

to see really mundane things drawn anime stuff. All my favorite parts of it just like you know, somebody making a coffee or just like a close up of something, because yeah, the I've never been personally that attracted to the like even in Neon Genesis, you know, of course, like the ava's are amazing and you know, the angels and stuff. But I remember, like what I vaguely remember the first time I watched it, which is a long

time ago. There's a part where they're in somebody's apartment and just all this like junk food around like instant get right apartments, instant noodles and like beer and soda, and I'm just like, ah, that's nice. I wonder why

that is animated food. There's like an account on Twitter that's just dedicated to like animation, like animated food from me as Okfel And well now it's become like fetishized, like the the like your name and that that animator whose name I'm totally blanking on now because that's what I do, but like his shots of food are just like so idealized and beautiful and lingered on and just like totally gratuitous and like nobody cares about what these

characters eatium, but they'll be like a five seconds service. Yeah, yeah, it's just so people can go on. Yeah, the giant Touble our own bara. Have you really like Polar Bear Cafe? That was the show somebody? I never Yeah, I know, I never watched. It's great. It's about a bunch of very realistically drawn animals who all like work at a cafe together. So it's like friends. Yeah, at like friends. It's run by a polar bear. It's a lazy panda,

lazy millennial panda. Millennial panda, speaking of lazy millennial pandas to talk about these moon bears, oh we have we have two very good small animal content things to share. So basically, Wired recently reported that thousands of water bears a k. Tar Degrades were stranded on the Moon after an Israeli spacecraft crashed following a failed landing attempt. So besides the water bears, the craft had um human DNA

samples and an archive of human society and culture. But the tar Degrades, which are if I mean, if you listen to this podcast, you already know, their microscopic creatures. They were also called moss piglets. They look like tiny little they kind of look like bears, but they're microscopic.

But they can withstand crazy temperature, you know, extreme. They've survived past any other species, and they can dehydrate themselves by like bawling themselves up into these tiny little pellets, and then they can This was also featured on an episode of Octonuts, which is why I know. But they go into a dehydrated state and then they're even more resilient, and then you can revive them up to like ten years later by just like putting water on them and

their back to life. So they were brought in this spaceman sion and now but then there was a crash and now they're just stranded on the moon. What do people think something bad's going to happen? Is it like the beginning of a horror movie? Maybe something great's going to happen. What I was saying with that, apparently there's a lot of trash on the moon. Yeah, apparently we left a lot of trash or there. Before. I was listening to a story about this on MPR, but it

was about the tartar grades. But then that they were also bringing up the fact that when we have been on the Moon in the past, we have you know, left some human waste and stuff. We just yeah, yeah, why they just had to empty it out. That's so need them. Nobody was really thinking about this. I guess, I don't know. Rude, it's very rude, idled. I wish

I knew more about it. I just happened to hear that, and I guess it makes sense that that would happen, But it never occurred to me before that that was like, in addition to an American flag, would like to throw it into space? Um, yeah, people throw space garbage into ace? I think too, right, aren't there like space like trash ships, trash satellites, trash satellite. Well there's some dead satellite that are still orbiting. Yeah, I guess I'm talking about like

I thought, people rejected trash into space. Maybe this is not real. Let's start this rumor now, confusing like the plastic island in the ocean with some sort of like satellite satellite clusters, we put trash everywhere. I know, what else would we be doing if we If anyone's been up there, they have definitely left trash. That's like our

whole m o as human beings. I think it's also in a weird way, maybe that's comforting that everything just doesn't disappear into the void of space immediately, says, I've never gone too deep on the conspiracy theory. I mean, I know the basics that people just think, whatever, we didn't go to the moon and they filmed that. So when's the most recent shot of this flag, of this American flag. That's a great question, because there was a question satellite spacecraft catch a picture of it. What does

it look like? Are there holes in it? Or is it like pristine or is it not even there because it didn't happen. Yeah, Oh I don't know. I mean, I don't think they made it, you know, like it crap, like people weren't on it on it, right, it was just on the moon on the Israeli No, it was an unmanned It was unmanned, but it could have still been taking pictures. One would assume that an unmanned spacecraft would be taking pictures along the way because it's pretty

easy to do and transmitting them like super cameras. Now, yeah, just like three six just down on the roof of a tall building. A friend of yeah, a friend of me was just sending pictures. He got a telescope and he's like out in the countryside and he was like taking incredibly close up photos of the Moon. I wonder if you could just get close enough to see to see the flag and the moon trash. Oh, man, I like the idea of the human DNA somehow plicing with the water bear DNA, and then we get a water

bear human hybrid colony on the moon. Oh yeah, I know, a little loss piglet humans. Yeah, what if there are aliens? But it's humans fault that we created aliens moon and nights are they even aliens? At that point we should take a night call. Hi. My name is Logan U. I cost a couple of days ago about some apps um estrological stuff, and I've been listening to some past episodes and I have a few more things of note to add UM. One would be that I've heard you

briefly mentioned UM. I for sure heard Molly briefly mentioned the Inner Pump rules. And I'm listening to episode thirty and you guys were talking about the Low Seas murder, murder house. And I didn't know if you guys knew this, but Dossie it was actually going to buy it. Yes, I thought that you might find that interesting. So I just drove by the Los Fela's murder House yesterday just because clarify. Yes, there are so many murder houses. There are the murder house. We talked about that on the

one that we talked about. So we're talking about doctor our House, not Manson murder House, not the Lobbianca, and not potentially Black Dahlia. Uh, there's a black Yeah, what's the black? Is the Frankloid right on Franklin's Yeah, it's Frankly Junior or torture chamber in the basement Jas house. So there's three Is that for sale? No? What it actually sold? And now that they're renting it out. But

I don't think anyone's going to stand there. A company was there, which I was like, great horror movie idea, the weed company that moves into the Black Doll. Yet I follow that. I have not attended any kind of open house there, but I wanted to. So did you guys look up this Stasi potentially? First of all, are

you familiar with vander Pump rules at all. I've never seen the show, but i've the restaurants have been pointed out to me Pump and sir, yeah, yes, I know the basically, So it's a it's a popular villain villainess of of vander Pumper girls. I actually haven't watching it such a long time, but I want to just know. She's a like a true crime person. But like, what

doesn't mean she was going to buy it? And then because I could say I was going to buy it and decided not to, I would say sometimes when something like that goes for sale, a bunch of people put their names out there just to get well, this one is the one that's for sale, but it's cash only. You have to pay cash, like two million or something like that for it. So I'm just like wondering she thought it would be fun to this person's relationship to

the vendor Pump organizations. She she's a show she's a show member. The problem with the show is that what made it good originally was that they were all struggling cater waiters at these restaurants, but then eventually they became too famous from the show for it to be believable that they were still struggling. But I don't know that she would have This is my questions, like, I don't know does she have two million? And they all that was what that doesn't mean two million in cash? Well,

let me just see, so is it Stacy Schroeder. So in sixteen she went for Pucker and pout dot com. She went to go tour it, and then she became very interested in it, and then on Instagram in seventeen she said, dear Los Fiela's murder house, I need to live in you. Okay, So it's like a whole. It's like a several before a Lisa Bloom got it. Then she was interested in before before Lisa. Then five days ago on Twitter she says my new home. I'm such a stalker with a link to the murder House. So

she's been wanting this house now for wow. So it's not just to the present. She use that doesn't sound like like a serious offer. No, that's I can tweet, I say, like I can tweet set correction five days ago, I just said the link. So five days ago she's moved on from stocking Lollis Pila's Murderhouse to Megan Markle's

old Los Angeles home. Oh my gosh, so she I think she's just doing the thing where you say where you just put out the secret and you're like, I want this house intentions, and it's going to I tell houses, I'm going to live in them all the time. What's a house? You want to live in? Any house? I'll take it. Creepy, crawling. We don't take another night call? Yeah you want to take another another one? So here

we have an email from Christina. Hey, what's up. I don't mean to be dramatic, but mondays are die or screaming torture without you, guys, and I hope you come back soon. Side note, we will, and maybe we are. If I'm carrying this being recorded in a time warp, we're in a time work. Anyway. I tried to call into the live cast about this, but unfortunately I missed most of it. Did you see this Banana's Reddit thread about scuba diving mysteries to recap Here are some of

my favorite fucked up things witnessed by divers. One a safe full of porcelain dolls, to a human skeleton locked in harpoon combat with a fish skeleton. Three entire fucking towns for a shared nitrogen narcosis hallucination of a red octopus, and the only reason they knew something was up was that it's apparently impossible to see the color red at the depth they were at. A guy's lungs exploding out of his face from the bends. Anyway, who's been scuba diving?

Not me. I don't really submerge my body in the goddamn ocean, and now I extra super don't do it. A couple of months ago, I was frolicking waist deep in the San Francisco Bay, not even the ocean proper, and some fishermen pulled some fucking bat rays out of the water right next to me. I've had it, officially, I'm an ocean voyeur only by thank you Christina. Have you guys ever been scuba diving? No, wary, A lot

of You have to really want a scuba dive. In order to scuba dive, like, you have to train for it. I have a friend who scuba dives, my friend Lily. Oh yeah, well, she has a great reason is scuba dive. But she learned how to do it in order to go under the ice in the Arctic, in the Antarctic, not the Arctic, and that to me was the scariest possible place to dive too, because you're under She's an amazing artist's and so she got this like grant to go on a ship with a bunch of scientists and

be this artist in residence. But yeah, she learned how to dive for it. Uh. And then she took a lot of footage under the ice and that was like the coolest and craziest thing I've ever seen. That was crazy bioluminescent stuff down there. I know people who do it kind of casually where it's like something's being offered, but you have to have a license to do it. But you get the I think you get the license in like a day or two off and you have to like learn by going to like a strip mall

that has like a tiny pool in the back. I've always been curious about these like scuba training places. I thought that you go, you do it. You can do it in the field, I think, but the thing is that you have to know you have to do it in a strip mall. It's true, you're not ready for the ocean yet, kid, have you Has anyone ever did an isolation tank. Speaking of strips, David has a give certificate to do one, and I'm really jealous he's going

to do one in New York before he leaves. I knew a couple of people do like a like an Altered States isolation. There are a lot in the valley. Yeah, just like full darkness, like submerging water. People are gravity. Well sure, but what isn't fun? Like you're happy your happiest point. You die when you're like your your safest. A couple of my friends did it and did not like it because they said the water smelled weird and that they could never smell like people are smelled like

chlorine or they're probably chlorine. You should give you some thing so you can't smell anything you're in the water. Yeah yeah, it's pitch black. Yeah yeah, doesn't that sound fo. The closest thing I did was that James Terrell thing that was really great. Then that was when you were like in the kind of like we talked about that on Girls and Hoodies. And then Emily and I did the one in Las Vegas. Uh no, I did the one here, I did the one at Lacma. Well, there's

not it's not that's not. Actually, this is the one where you go in one at a time. You have to buy a ticket ahead of time, and it's like a brown Oh, the one that's like an air it's so it's eat you're lying down. Yeah, I would you get carted and not into that. I could tell that was not your jam. But why then would you entertain the darkened liquid version? Because I want to be underwater. That's so much scarier to me. No, because I want to live underwater that it's like the dream. Yeah. A

friend of mine used the term sleeps in water. I think I've probably bored you with this before I've been I'm going to do it on a podcast. It's a p person. It's like a certain kind of complexion that looks like you are. It's not like puffy. Yeah, you're damp and like sallow too and dewey. But like like Tim Robin, sleeps in water. It's not a bad thing. It's not greasy. No, it's not greasy. It's not you're not wet because you woke up. You're wet from being

asleep in water. Generally, generally people's when somebody's skin is dewey, it's a good thing, right, Yeah, but this is a bias against greasy skin. It's like it's like soft, let's blow this open. Greasy skin and skin are the same, the same thing. Stewey is like wet greasy. No it's not. It looks the same whenever it looks like, well, the honestly the highlighter and then when you spray stuff on it, that to me is just grease. Like you all look

greasy at all. I mean, well, but I would say you're glowy, not dewey, because dewey would be You're more shine in the tea zone, you know what I mean. I'm here to critique. Everyone's up here and snorkeling. Oh I love snorkeling. Snarling great, for sure. Everyone's been snorking. Yeah, I think I was somewhere. You got off a boat and you look it. You look down and we saw some big turtles. Yeah. Oh that's the best. If you get turtles, that's uh. You know what's kind of advanced snorkeling, though,

is when you see people with a snorkel. It's probably not that advance, but when they go under and they kind of dive and then their snorkel fills up with water and they come up and do it like a blowhole. I was like, is that what I'm supposed to be doing. I thought it was just supposed to stay as a breathing to. I want to go snorkeling so much. You could do it anytime, So you just need to slather on like all of a sudden screat Yeah, that's what

I do every time I go outside. And then if you go in water, my brother's friends would call it the oil spill when you would go in their pool because screen comes off. I saw something also about a woman who had an octopus attack her face. Did you guys see that she was trying to eat it? She was, yeah, no, a different one. What, Oh my god. That's why I'm bringing it up because it's another one. This woman was

in like Nova Scotia or something. She was taking octopus for a like a photo for like an Instagram opportunity. She put it like up against her face and it just like gloamed onto her face and stuck its beak in her face. Do it OCTOPI lately with OCTOPI rebellion because Emily it was Cristis. I guess it's octopuses. Actually, I think occopy is a kickier it is it sounds fun Yeah, well a lot of there are many, Yeah,

they're the stories about them. Because I noticed something that I've been hearing more people people who eat you know, beef and chicken and stuff having there was there like a specific viral video. It's like three or four times the past couple of months of people at a restaurant being like, you know, I used to eat a lot

of octaves. I feel funny about it now, And they were referencing some I think it's this other thing we were talking about where a woman was yeah, during a muck bang, and it like that's not even the one that clearly there's a lot. There's there's one that I saw that didn't that was a it seemed like an octopus doing an obstacle. Course that shows how like smart they are, you know, like if they hit, if you know, they'll figure out how to like make it through if

they got to get small. And then maybe there's is there another big octopus viral video that's one on a on a fishing ship and it's just like it jumps out of a bucket and it's kind of going all over the place, like please let me out of here. Yeah, they're very smart. They are very smart. And here's what it really feels like. There's a wave. There is a coordinated wave. Well, maybe they're coming for us. That would be great. I will totally respect. Yeah, I've been a

fan of that. I've been defending them for a long time. Know they're not coming after me. I'm really happy about it. I feel smug, to be honest with you. People were really worried about dolphins in the seventies, in the nineties two. Well there was it was the whole like tuna, you know, dolphin No, but I mean they were also like, dolphins are so smart they might take over. Well yeah, because also that was because a flipper like, yeah, I've go

the dolphin. Um, well cool, thank you so much joining us. Yeah, I mean yeah, that's all the content that you're We've taken over like five or six different topics. I feel like, yeah, so let's all go enjoy a delightful Fresca. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely sponsor us Fresca. Thank you for listening to today's episode. If you would like to leave us a night call, please give us a call at one two four o four six night. You can also email us at night call podcast at gmail dot com, or you can follow

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