Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's twelve thirty four a m. In the heavy Side Layer and you're listening to Night Call. Welcome to Nightcall, a podcast for your strange days and lonely nights. My name is Emmily Orshida. I am here in Los Angeles. City of Stars were two of my favorite right shining stars City of Pods, Molly Lamber. Molly Lambert and Tessalynch. Hello, guys, today we're gonna have a very chill, relaxed episode of Nightcall.
It's the middle of summer, um. I think you know, the East Coast just got through with a very brue will heat wave. I feel like everybody's just kind of feeling the heat in general right now, the heat. So we're we're gonna we're gonna do a chill to a little night sessh right now. Yeah. We wanted to talk last week in our last podcast about some self care tips that we had kind of found our way too, and then we ended up bumping it to this week. But it's perfect because I'm in the mood to talk
about self care. I'm sitting in front of a giant salad um. Yeah, we said today all all rules are off. Our famously formal podcast has even less structure today than usual. Um, and I went on a podcast hosted by Kate Raft and Drew Spears called this podcast is self Care? Was it? It was great? Everybody should listen to it? Was it self care? Did it feel self caring? Yeah? And they specified that that is it's the only podcast that if
you listen to it, it is self care. But then they said, also night call count thank you listening, and I call your self care. Do you guys remember when we did a Hoodies episode where we didn't have the table and we just were on bean bags or something. Yes, we were. We did a floor pod. We did a floor pod in low light. We should do that. It was great. We can. We're gonna do more field recording episodes for sure, slumber party pods. It just it changes
your voice, I think when you're like in a reclining pose. Yeah, Um, yeah, it was. It was great. We'll bring it back next time. Reclining is self care. Reclining is self care. Everything counts as self care in a way, it is not actually self care for me right now, Like I'm having a hard time lying down because clining, sitting up straight of self care for you right now? Or it's like I'm
not sure what it is? What is though, because I've been writing in a lot of lifts out here and that's also not fun, Like I have to be kind of I don't know, I have to have like lumbar support. I feel like I'm eighty year. Is that self grandparenting? Self grandparenting? Yeah, it's saying, you know what, my back hurts, and I'm going to tend to it instead of pretending
I can just soldier. Self grandparenting was the concept I brought to Kate Raft and do Spirits podcast, but they have had other guests talk about such topics as going outside, oh yeah, um Joan Hailey Ford, who is a person I really like, did she did something about selfiees of self care? How? Because I think it's like they're not.
It's just kind of like confronting and accepting your like documenting yourself as you are instead of being like I shouldn't do it because I don't want to be like imperfect, just me and like here's what I look like. Here,
I am world, I'm great. I do those on the um on the photo Booth app on the on the computer a lot, and I was really kind of bummed because I lost my computer at the end of last year and I had all of these just disk top selfies basically that I had taken usually I was like writing something or just sort of procrastinating and just hanging out and like my hoodie and my living room or something, and so they were not like nice pictures. It was
just like, here's my domb face today. And I had this like huge stream of them, and I lost them and it kind of felt like losing a diary a little bit. I was like, oh, I mean, nobody'll ever see those. But still I like the low rez photo booth pictures I have. I have a bunch of those from a while ago. But then my mom, it's my computer is really old. And now I have like a smudge that won't go away, so I look like I'm
I'm too ghosty. It's a little spooky. Yeah, I feel like we talked about this a lot, but it's like the idea that tech would be this way to archive everything forever has clearly proven to be not true and so very ephemeral. I got really sad also because tiny pick was going down now oh man, it was like tiny pick like an institution. I didn't even realize some of these things would could go go away, just people places you hosted. I want to know your favorite forms
of self care. Well, I told you guys that I have recently, as in the past week, gotten into face massage. Self face massage, which if you look on YouTube you can find a bunch of ladies who will show you what's it called, like MYO Fascial, MYO face Show. I don't know, Like a lot of them have this book that this um this Korean book that like they're like, I don't know how to read this, but I found this and it's got these amazing things, and so a
lot of it is kind of like the same. It's like the same kind of pseudo science of like a fake face rollers and stuff where you're just sort of like, you know, there's a there's a real function to that stuff that has nothing to do with like jade or like rose courts or whatever they make these rollers out of that supposedly like calm your wrinkles or something like.
Isn't it like lymphatically drainage? It's your lymphatic system. So you have all these like lymph nodes on the sides of your face and some here on like what's this called here, like not your temples, but actually there I think there are some on your temples. And so if you're like not getting rest or you're just like you know, not taking care of yourself, or you're dehydrated and stuff like, you can get kind of like puffy, and so you can you know, massage that out. You don't need a
hundred fifty dollar jade roller from group. But um, but I find it very very calming, like because you're just sort of mirroring. Like there's this like Russian lady who does them, who I find very calming, and you just sort of mirror her because she does it in real time and it's just like my brain just like drifts off to another planet while I do it. Here's my problem with lymphatic massage. Because I got really into this.
I noticed there was something of someone posted a picture or something where they did it to half their face and not to the other half, and they were definitely like less puffy and looked all dowy on the side where they've done it. But then I started doing it, and I the more I started thinking about my lymph nodes. The more I started to become a crazy hypochondriac. And then I started reading people being like, oh, yeah, so and the stuff will drain into like your lower lymph nodes,
so they might be swollen, and don't freak out. It's like, don't freak out tests, don't freak out. But it was totally freaking out. I have to do one. There's the last step is to go down and like, I guess they can all go into your chest or something. But then isn't that bad? It sounded so scary. Also, I would be like, wow, I have to see the dentist, Like what does it mean if it hurts my jaw?
Like I have to see the Like this is not I find it like a little intimidating because I feel like those spot First of all, it just makes you think about the fact that there's a skull inside your head. There's so much stuff. I love. It makes you think about like how the bones are in there a lot, and it just feels so weird when you touch it. It's almost like I shouldn't be doing this right, Like when you touch your belly button, you're sort of like something.
There's like I'm not supposed to go here. Oh no, I love I love the fac thing. I mean I one of my favorite things to think about every once in a while is that I'll never get to see my own skeleton. And like everybody's skeleton, but your own theory, why don't you like envision a better world? Or maybe you will so. I actually see this amazing glass sculpture yesterday that somebody posted where it was a glass sculpture of a person's soul leaving their body. It was like
the best thing I've ever seen. But like, what if your skeleton just like, yeah, you could. I guess you could, like um, do a mapping of it and then make it out of fiberglass or but depending on what kind of imaging you used, you'd be exposing yourself to a ton of radiation and then your skeleton would be its days would be numbered, I guess. And I get to see that skelet that's true. I really want to see my skeleton. I can imagine what mine looks like, but
it might be surprising. Do you think you have a really good one? I don't know. We'll see your own skull. Yeah, I want to see my school because I feel like my head is so huge, and so I'd like to really see what it has been the body world. Absolutely, I've never in I keeping it well, it is interesting
and bad. It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. And then all the people that they use for the because they say the corpses are donated willingly, the original supposedly, yeah, they're supposedly originally, but also the guy who made it up, like they show pictures of him and he looks like the Nazi from Rachel's Lost art. You know, he's like an Austrian scientist or something, and they're like, he invented plastinization,
the process of turning bodies into plastics. But then one of the things I've heard is that the bodies they use now are bodies of prisoners in China, specifically people who are in Fallon Goong. M h really yes, So when Falon Gong is doing their protests and being like the Chinese government is like fucking you know, putting us
in prison and like killing people, maybe that's true. Okay, so you want to call in and and somebody us a show Young and Fallonong expert um because I when everybody was doing the shen Yon memes, I was like, everyone's going to get into fallonong is self care because I'm kind of surprised white people haven't tried to ruin
taichi more yet. You know they have tried, Yeah, but just like it's because taichi doesn't make you hot, you know it though, like yoga and everything else, if you can find a vanity angle of it, then it will get co opted. Tchi does make you hot because it's like constant movement. I just feel like it's so in the goop sphere that they would be like your energy is flowing that they would like ruin it. Yeah, it's
weird how resistant it's been. Yeah, it's interesting. Um. I not not that these things are related at all, but because I've been having this back trouble, I did. I was walking around where I'm staying in l A and I did go by a chiropracticum place, and I was thinking, like, what if this is the time, maybe what if they make it work bird I've never I mean, I'm not a backcracker at all. It could be that I have like a hundred cracks in my back and no not on my back, on your back, M I have phone
role in my back. But I don't do it regular I do it regularly, and it changed my life. I'm like evangelist for foone roll. When the last time I went to visit my parents, my mom was like, she was like, hold on, I have something for you. And I was like, what's it going to be? And she came dragging this foam roll in the kitchen and was like lie down, and I was like I don't. I don't want to. She was like, lie down, It'll change your life. But I was so scared. I was like,
what is this. She didn't say what it was, and I've never done it before, and she's like, now you're sinking into the floor. I was like, it was too much. It's too much for you. I mean, it is a lot. It is. It's like it's like massaging your face, but for your body. Right. But the thing about the doing the back on the phone roller is that you do have to keep your body somewhat stiff in order to like actually do the role. So I kind of feel
like that's a little bit it self defeating. Like I do my legs, like I'll do like my quads and my butt and stuff, because you can just kind of like relax on it and just like turn yourself into jelly and go over the thing. But um, I don't know. You can also do it with like a tennis ball. Yeah, I know that one. It's just like it makes me feel like a cat in a way that I love.
You know, it like combines a lot of things I like, and it does really fuck me up, Like I find that I will be like drooling by that and something. That's That's what scares me a lot is that it's like it's such a potent feeling. It seems like it shouldn't be available that easily. Now. I've been looking into it because I keep being like, is there any scientific Like, is there anything scientific to this? Because all sports medicine is very opaque to me. You know, rhyslactic acid, that's real,
I know. But anytime anyone talks about like how exercise works, I'm just like, that's crazy. I don't know what you're talking. You know, releases. This always gets me in a weird thing about rab dough and CrossFit it where you know about that where it's I mean, there are just it's a horrible hole to go down where you can read people's experience and part of my self cares that. I
think people need to stop maximizing themselves, right. I just hate the trend towards like full optimization of like every moment of your life is like scheduled towards a target goal, and like every time you're not working out, you're like relaxing in a cryod chamber. Why do you guys think about, like um standing desks or jim balls for a chair. I hate them, honestly, I hate them, both of them. Thank you. I was not expected. I was wondering where you are going? I find not Where do you guys
like to do work? I'm always outside on my back And it's true though I do, but outside is good too. I like, yeah, if I just have to read stuff, I love having the excuse to just go to the park and lie down and read for I do work in my car a lot. Interesting. Yeah, my cars my office because it's just like a contained small there's not much to distract do, Like all my interviews out of my car interesting, like phone interviews. Yeah, because I don't have a Like my house is not a place I
can get work done. For some reason, I just then I want to like I get distracted by like I have to do chores. This is the thing I miss about having cars and being in l A is that you do kind of have your own little personal closet that you can drive around in, keep your stuff in, like make phone calls. Right, Like, that's close as I'll ever get to like a coworking space, because I just like the idea of tend freeway is your coworking space.
I have a back porch where I where I do my my like work, but it's I do a lot of it from home and over the summer when both of my kids are home where it's really awkward because I'm like, I'm gonna go work outside. Stay inside, don't come outside, and there's like soccer balls and like a dome to climb on. I'm like, no, you can't have it because now I'm outside. Better to delineate space his home as being like this is the place where things get done because you're like, it's also the place where
I sleep and cook and do all the other things. Well, that's a big thing. Um. This is actually a very big self care thing that I learned probably a while ago, like maybe eight years or ten years ago or something. Don't try to get anything done in your bedroom or the area where you sleep, sleep for you forever. Yeah, just so you can. You have to compartmentalize, like this is my place where I rest, and like the more
that you can keep that. And also like I find like the less stuff I have in my room, which is kind of impossible impossibility in my current apartment, but in general I like to keep my room pretty empty of things to look at. Um, I can like finish things at my house, I just can't start them. I have to leave the house to start at. This is none of this is self care. We're talking about being productive. What happens when you try and self care. This is
the modern conundrum though. This is like the mindfulness thing. Well that's like this is also the self grandparenting thing. I decided on was I was like, you can't be productive all the time, and like it just sucks to like feel bad about yourself when you're not being productive because it's so out of your control for the most part for so many people. Um, and the world might end because the climate change. So take up all those great hobbies, take those walks and gardens, do that, do
all the early retirement stuff that you fantasize about doing. Later. Yeah, what is you know to wrap up self care? Molly? What's your favorite self care? Wow? Something, I'll tell you something I want to get into. My favorite self care is chopping vegetables and cooking. I love cooking or like doing food prep for your It's productive, but it's also like you're taking care of yourself because you're going to eat better that week. Yeah. I just like prepping that,
like prepping meals totally. Always like that. I guess I also worked in kitchens and I liked it then too. I just find it calming. Um. But something I want to get into stained glass. I just decided took a stained glass class this them or did she like finishing it? She did not. She told me it was not really what she expected and she probably wouldn't stick with it. She was glad she didn't like go all in and get all the supplies. And I'm talking more about just
like buying one and like painting it. Ok. She is doing the stuff where you have the pieces of glass and you arrange them and then you do the like soddering. Yeah. I don't know if I'm ready to get into soldering. I think I just want to paint on some glass. Yeah about what about you mento gardening right now? But also just I think we've talked a lot about this and just cutting stuff down with a saw. Um. I had a stressful day yesterday and I ended up buying
so much mulch. It was like, that's also part of it is that I buy all this mulch that is so hard to carry, and then I'm like, curry yourself and I like carry it, and then I just like we'll carry it in buckets, you know, to and fro, and there's like no real point in my mind. I'm like, okay, well it you know, it helps plants retain water, and
it like eventually breaks down into nutrients and stuff. But it's really just that I want to carry heavy stuff around but not own more stuff or do anything complicated, not in a cross fit way. It's like a kid when a kid is like you want to like just you bring like the bucket goes over here, and it's just very it's to arrange things. I know. I'm into pruning.
I also am obsessed with like controlling the ants right now because it's aunt season and I normally am very I try and be very respectful of every living but those cants, I'm mowed down. I went outside with white vinegar and castile so open like blasted them because they were like near the doors and it was just starting to they were encroaching. Um So my self care is aunt murder, but not always just seasonally. My self care
doesn't cost any lives. But okay, um no, I I mean the gardening thing in a very small scale way, like I'm is uh and now it's sort of not really relevant anymore because all of my stuff kind of withered for the summer. But um, I did just do like window boxes on my fire escape and like having that because usually spend the first part of my day in the kitchen where we had those. So I would just like have some time in the morning where I would just like check on everything. I would kind of
trim stuff. I would pull out little weeds that had popped up in it. Like it was very It felt like having one of those gardening games or like fill or something, because it was something that I could literally like this, this is how far I had to reach out to get to the end of it. So I could and I just had like a rugela I still have um basil and meant that I'm growing there. But um, I tried to grow peppers, but they're not doing anything. But so hard with the Everybody says peppers are easy.
I've never had luck with pepper. Our peppers are just like failing right now. I don't know why. But one time I got those ornamental peppers from Trader Joe's. They have those like ornamental pepper plants, and I had them on a table and we had a guest over and he just started eating the But by the time we noticed he had eaten so many, we didn't want to be like, oh stop, they're not edible, they're like probably poisonous. So we just let him eat all the peppers off
the plant. Just never said anything. I feel bad about that. They're still alive. Yeah, unlike those ants. I just want to take a nightcall. Yeah, we got a good night call this week. But it has a video component and so we'll share it on our social media. Well wherever you follow us. You can't find it there because it is a very good video. Um, it is a ghost is a ghost video. It is a ghost video. Bring it up. Do you want me to read it? I haven't. Oh yeah, sure, Okay, So this comes from Alex, Hey,
night call. My friend recently moved to Italy and her family went along to help her get settled in. Here is a video the security camera picked up from inside the house while they were all out of the country. What does it look like to you? Just six weeks before she moved, her cherished pet bunny Slumber, died of old age. I know you can't play the video on the podcast, but I thought you might enjoy it anyway. It might be best to you on a phone. I'm
worried the video will get blurry and transit. I mean, it looked pretty good to me. Attached, we have two pictures and a video of what is unmistakably a ghost. Bun like leaps from it looks like it's kind of leaping from a kitchen counter across the living room. Is a ghost? Did you watch the video? I'll play it right now. Oh my god. I mean, it's a it's a it's a bunny. Oh my god, it is. There's no questions. It is also like, thank you for bringing this to us first. I mean maybe maybe it's because
you haven't met a good ghostbuster in Italy yet. Um, I don't know how you would say ghostbuster in Italian. But I think it's interesting the that the bunny, even though the bunny apparently what I can gather from this email, died uh where she used to live, but then she moved to Italy and the bunny came with her spirit like that. That feels very different from especially from like all the ghost stories that you know are in Um
where they caught the place. Yeah, it feels very place oriented and can stay in a place even if the place fundamentally changes, like there's no longer a house there, or the original structure is just different. But this, this bunny made a trip. Maybe pets can kind of attach themselves to you, oh, to owners. Yeah, yeah, it's a good yeah, because I guess pets probably care more about their owners than they do about whatever place they're in. Maybe,
I mean, we'd like to think. So. I had a pet bunny in high school named Diana who died of pneumonia, and it was like a really it was really sad. And then there was you know, when I was like living in the country UM as a kid, there were bunnies that would get abandoned and we would like try and rescue them. They're very fragile, bunnies. If you have a bunny who's dying of old age, you've done a
very good job by that bunny. But I literally just watched that video like fifteen times in a row because it's it is it just very clearly isn't a ghost animal leaping from the kitchen island? Funny? Real good? We'll share with everybody. Um, can I bring up the thing that I've kept I mentioned you guys before we did our our meet up the other my horrible nightmare that weeks ago. Um, this is unrelated, but just I mean
it's in the realm of like paralnormal is stuff. Um. I had what at the time, like for a few seconds, I thought was asleep paralysis with a shadow person involved. Uh, you know, real true heads of night call. Remember that was like one of our first recurring topics. But I was having a dream. And I know it's so bored to talk about your dreams of other people, but like I was having a dream that was very vivid for me and also very literal. Usually my dreams are very abstract,
so it was a very clear, normal, logical dream. I was like at a at a kind of like some kind of hostile or retreat or something, and I was trying to get breakfast and then I saw this thing come from behind this woman I was talking to that was like like it would have been as tall as this room. Basically just like the outline of a person that was pitch black and kind of had like a grainy outline to it and started walking towards me and I in the dream, I screamed, and it was this
thing of like something wasn't I felt. I felt like it was not from my dream. It felt like an outside thing intruding into my dream. And I like wrenched myself out of sleep and like felt like I couldn't move for five seconds, but then eventually could. But it was like it was truly I've never had a dream like that. This was way before, but I don't know, maybe maybe eventually were like like like trying to get free. Also just want to say, Caustbusters and Italian is called
a fantasm me. That's so cute, Sonny. But it made me. It made me newly appreciate all those stories that we were talking about and your encounter also test because I was like, that's actually the freakiest thing. It's it's very free that I can imagine like even though that wasn't really truly a shadow person and it was, but you don't know for sure, I don't know. Yeah, but it was such a vivid dream it wasn't scary. Dream is
the scariest thing in the world. And yeah, I was just like, no, wonder like if you were like if you were fully awake and lucid and you saw a thing where you couldn't see its face or it's just like a black figure, Like, no, it's the worst. It's
the worst. So I have a new appreciation for good. Yeah, it's that's one of the things that I still it's one of those rare moments where you like have this kind of like blurry memory of you know, like your experience of college, and there's like a few things that flow to the top, and I'm like, that's still one of my most prominent memories of like that time of my life, which I wish it weren't, but it's such a it was such a like weird, just like a
completely unexplainable Yeah, And I think I think also like it's like I guess it's the same as like an accent or something like if you got suddenly like hit by a car or something. I feel like that would have a similar place, just because it's something from so outside of your control and like what you're involved in, Like it's something that just sort of invades your life. Um yeah, I wonder what the dream meant. I have
no idea. I was. I was getting irritated in this dream, like because I was late to like a breakfast buffet at a like a hotel, like a continental breakfast type thing, and I had a plate and I was getting ready, and then this woman just like took a like a hot like a steam tray of eggs, like oh for me? And I was like, I was about was my proday for the day, and like what do I now? And then I saw the thing come from there was a
nightmare about protein. Um yeah, I don't want to fully open up nightcalled to people calling about their dreams because that's I feel like a whole other rabbit hole we could go down very quickly. But if you have any good particularly scared, any good sleep paralysis stories, yeah yeah, or lucid dreaming dreaming. I don't have those kind of dreams or nightmares because I smoked too much pot. I smoke a ton of pot, and I still have dreams in nightmares, I have nightmares. If I stopped smoking POT,
I immediately start having the most vivid nightmares. Um. If I'm ever like on a trip and I am taking a break from pot, I will start having those nightmares so fast it makes me afraid to go to sleep night Marion Home Street because I've heard because I would always be like pot, like stop dame from having dreams. And then my brother would be like, that's a good anti drug slogan because it mostly two levels. But speaking of two levels, there are two trips to the Canty Valley.
Yeah there, I was going to say there are two levels, the heavy side layer, the heavy side layer, heavy side Layer, and Kitty Heaven. I think it's the other layer. We are, of course talking about cats, cats, jellical cats and jellical jellical cats. Jellical cats. I don't know that cats coal cats. Um the trailer for Cats open. Uh. What came on the internet? I guess dropped on the internet earlier this week. When did it? When did it come out? Because I
didn't mind it for like two days. It was guys, it's been talked about so much. What we have to talk about it and we hate to beat a dead cat. Um, yeah, but why can't Why did they only have two boobs? Cats have far more rest than two. They looked at this, I mean, this is all like it's been said, it's been said, but it's like, I hate the fact that this is in the world. I hate the fact that they look so nude. I don't know, counterpoint, it's perfect per have you So, so I've seen Cats, I've never
seen it. You've never seen cats? You saw Cats? No, I've never seen I've seen Like I looked through the YouTube. I'm familiar with the soundtrack, and I've seen like high school productions on YouTube. Because finally I was like, screw it, I need to see Cats. But I'm not going to go to any trouble. So I just patch worked it together and was like, oh I hate this, like I
love it. Oh yeah, Like, well, if you're going to really get this said of what a play is at its core, you need to look up like the jan Keest, like parent cell Phone whatever. I've watched a lot of your Good Man Charlie Brown that way. For some reason, Cats is the most eighties thing of all time besides
Phantom of the opera. Well they're all, they're all And I'm me thinking about that too, because I was like, does this mean they're going to like make Missigon next, Like that's never been Like how is it still legal to show miss I know because miss Psygon in Iowa? Because now every time they stage that, they're like, we're
making it better. That's what they say about South Pacific too, and I think South Pacific should be like, well, I feel like it's not there should be illegal because it's sort of like no, no, no, I mean because it is like so many musicals are so racist, but it's also like the idea of like whitewashing that stuff away. It's like it's a document of all these different times when people were racist they have to considerin these sort
of reduce of these old Rogers and Hammerstein musicals. I wanted to see the Caasel production that was the best still bummed me out so much as a kid, obviously, but I was like, maybe I would like to see it in this context where they've really like you know, I don't, I don't know, but apparently they were much more kind of it was much more kind of honest and looking about looking at the fact that it's about an abusive relationship, like you know on the surface. Um,
but yeah, and then the the Oklahoma. I mean, I don't know. I'm not a theater person. I don't go to these things Oklahoma. Also, I think it's silly when they're like we're doing an edgy reboot of Oklahoma. It's like, who we're saying? It was like what did they say? Oh, yeah, hot Oklahoma? That fox Like I saw Oklahoma with like h E A U X in the middle. Um, it makes me want well, But I also remember like that was like when Hugh Jackman, that was his thing was
they were like sexy Oklahoma like a million years. I just feel like whenever they try to like do an old musical or play, they're like, it's sexy. Now you know, it's always been sexy, Okay. I it's so like I just feel like it's funny that musicals were like the dominant American art form and then they weren't anymore. But then in the eighties there was this period when they turned into like tent pole blockbusters briefly because it was the thing. It was like you have to see this,
you have to see it in person. Helicopter lands on the stage. I've never seen miss the helicopter lands on that. I know that the handelier drop in in phanroom. They all have these like I mean, lame is I guess the main thing is just like the barricades, like the nature of the set itself, and lame is this sort of like the spectacle. But yeah, all those eighties, all those eighties music girls have some stagecraft thing that's like,
you gotta see it. So the stagecraft in Cats is that they're all dressed like cats and they dance around and they're in purgatory and then one of them goes to heaven at the end. That's Cats. It's very similar to God's spell. I've never seen a spell. Actually, well, it's just the most like it's it's strange poetry. Yeah, but I like the energy is so like strange. I appreciate it. I feel like it's real theater kid on it.
It is very it's not trying to be cool because it acknowledges that it will never be cool, and it leans all the way into that. And the choral reading specifically, like did you guys ever do choral reading where you find a way you guys go on, go on, choral reading is where this is something I've also went back to look at like high school videos and stuff. Um, you're in a group choir. You don't sing. You recite a poem together as a group, but you can take turns.
People might say one line and then you know, somebody might walk over here to say another line. It's like choreographed group reading of a poem. I did one to jabberwock You once. It was probably the worst thing I've ever been a part of. That sounds great, but it's that energy though. It's like we don't need a plot necessary, Like we're here to indulge in like the power of the human happening and yeah it's happening on a show. Yeah, god, kids are doing a show. Is podcasting coral reading? No?
Absolutely not no, because coral reading is all about creating, creating like tempo of speech all mimsy were the ball grow like that guy? Do you still know the job Rocky parts of it? Do you know job Rocky? I used to I don't think. I don't think for a night. Coom Bonus episode were at the Patreon five dollars a month.
I definitely also know it. It's the only poem I know, oh really yeah, And I used to, like when I worked at a grocery store, I would recite it in my head over and over again to try and make time pass. It's got that very kind of soothing need er where it's like it's like a Radiohead song or something. For the meaning of it doesn't really matter. It's just like the sound of it was good for like scanning groceries. It's like, you guys have mantra, Yeah, armantras the jagger
in high school and speech makes so much sense. Should we answer another night call? Oh no, no, I'm gonna talk about the Lion King. You thought you were getting away without the Lion King. So the Lion King, the Lion King. That part takes place during the day. Um King. I didn't. I wasn't planning on it at all. But a friend of mine was like, it's very hot. Do you want to go see the Lion King? And I was like, yes, I do. Let's make it even hat
her baby. Yeah. I was just like, I've accomplished nothing today. I'm moving through sludge, Like I want to go eat popcorn and sit in an air conditioned room and like watch some garbage. Uh it is knocking. I mean what we get. What we get like roasted forever. If we say that the original Lion King was no, it was, will get roasted because it will reveal us all as old millennials. Look, I just watched I watched young millennials love it, and I've watched it like twice this year already.
Well you have. You had to show it to some curious and I had to see if it held up. And I was like, oh, because I remember when I first saw it. I was like, oh, I think I'm aging out. I remember that too, because I was like, we had just gotten into boys, so we were like, we don't want these boys to think we want to see the Lion King. Yeah, but then I was thinking about I also saw like move on in Hercules and
the other ones. After that, I was like, who cares? Yeah, I think I saw Hercules on a day when the teacher gave up and just decided to show a video Like I I never saw that in the theaters, Like, yeah, I didn't. I remember definitely. I think I think I even saw it in like a group date scenario where
it was just like this is like sexy Disney. This is the other thing is that like that, So lan King is definitely when I was like, I'm I'm too old for this ship now, and it was totally I was like ten or something and I was like done. But but it was also about animals, and I'm just like, I mean, I like animals in general, but I'm not going to be captivated by like a story about an animal.
You know, it's the animals social dynamics. You're like, oh, this is too that's not like not, that's not the problem for me at all, because I just watched my favorite animated movie, The Secretive nim is really good. I would love to go back and let's do an episode about it. Okay, but that's a story about animals. But
I am very particular, like I hate Watership Down. Yeah, I hate like I do hate a lot of times when sell Yeah, I love Animal Farm, but most things where they're like the animals have a society, and for some reason, it's just like ours are. You know what I liked Oliver and Company. Oliver and Company is so good. It's the first movie I ever mine was The Great Mouse Detective. These are both from the like pre Disney Vamp. But the other thing that I can't believe. I had
never thought about this before. I guess it's just because I don't think about The Lion King that much. But can you imagine like like all those songs that are so timeless or whatever, but like they specifically well one they're like, we're gonna do a Disney movie, but we're going to have it set in Africa, and it's like for diversity, I guess or something. But of course they're all animals, so you don't have any actual like African
people in it. But then you also like, for the original score for this African set story about lions, will have famous John musician Elton John do the songs. I don't know, I never really thought about that before because I was just like, oh, this songs from the Lion King or the songs from the Lion King, like that's just what they are. But I was like, that would
definitely not happen now. Yeah, yeah, Well there was also that period in the long eighties into the nineties of just, uh, every white musician like an album where they work with like African musicians, right, you mean the Paul Simon. We know who you're talking. I'm talking about enemy Paul Simon. You imagine if Paul Simon did the songs for Lion King No suck him so much. I'm glad he didn't. Did he ever do Disney movie songs? I'm so absolutely not.
He's too much of a Missinthrop. But I feel like it was like, okay, so they had the big hit with Elton John and then they tried to reply they'll call it cons did Tarzan, and then Emperor's New Group was supposed to be sting, but he like dropped out halfway. And that's why Emperor's New Group is really good because it has no songs in it. Oh, it doesn't know. It's just a funny cartoon. It's like a Looney tune. It's I couldn't get through it, to be honest, I
never saw that one. I tried, but I tried. It has the best Disney villain of just a great Disney villain whose earth a kit. Her name is Easma, and she's like Ursula is still the best villain. She's like an inca priestess. She's great east most kind of Ursula is a genuinely terrifying villain. We're talking about at our at our at our, at our meet up, our secret and I call meet up for only certain I did
nothing wrong. She had a garden of souls deals just trying to make a life for herself in the gig economy. It's true. Well also like she she and I mean Triton definitely kicked her to the curve at some point, like they, she was exiled from society. She just wants to take down the monarchy. I mean she has a rich personal life. But Little Mermaid, she has two eel friends, the Eels. I saw these guys wants to Disneyland who were dressed as the Eels. Were they like professionals or no?
They were disney bounding because you're not allowed to wear a real costume and Disneyland because they don't want you to mistake be mistaken for an employee, so you can only do this thing like Disney or has found a way around it called disney bounding, which is where you dresses like a streetwear version of a character. So it's
all entirely about color blocking for the most part. And it's actually really like they get because there's these Disney biker gangs, you know, but this is like an offshoot to that, so that I saw these this one guy who was flotsom and I was like, oh my god, he's looking for his jets m. And also just to pick such a such a niche character and be like that is me. I like that. But yeah, I love the Little Mermaid and I love Beauty and the Beast, and by Lion King. I was kind of over it
about Aladdin. I love Aladdin. It's pretty good. Aladdin is probably the best one. Maybe I wasn't into Aladdin. Do you think he was hot? I was saying that some of my friend yesterday. Also, I think, like what makes The Lion King remake so bad is that there are no humans in it. I think in part because it's also just like it just makes you appreciate hand drawn animation so much because that's the thing. It's like, why
who wants to watch a realistic hat walk around? It's photo realistic, but they don't have testicles, which is like so distracting the whole time. But you understood, you understand it would be distracting either way. I mean, like a shadow or something. It's like they go so far out of their way to be like the animals do not have orifices, but they are in every other way anatomically and they feel like deire and romance, like the desire no man's that part doesn't bother me. Lion's falling in
love doesn't bother me. What bothered me was just like their eyes are like soulless looking. Yeah, the way the c G I is, it's like there's no warmth. The whole thing just lacks warmth. And that's all These Disney
live action remakes are like that. Cartoons are great. Like kids like cartoons, I maintain like everybody's like, oh, it'll be better if it's photo realistic, but care watching Doug the other day and I was like, check out, Ever, it's so to I remember, like I some of the cartoons I watched as a kid that were so shitty,
but that I remembered being well animated. And then I saw I remember I saw like a teenage mutant Ninja Turtles in college and he was like, oh my god, this is like the animation is terrible, but it doesn't matter. When the animation improves over the course of a series, and then you go back and watch it with the same characters that you've kind of like a adapted to seeing, you know, evolved, it can be really Jarry like The Simpsons obviously what we're talking about. But I tried to
go back the other day. I was like, I'll just start watching The Simpsons from the beginning, as one does, and I was like this, it gave me a creepy feeling. I was like, all of a sudden, everything's been undone. It's like I saw like the Spool unwrapped. Our friend Alex Pepadevens was saying that The Cat's trailer was what made him have to explain the Uncanny Valley his daughter,
um as good as time is any. The Lion King movie takes place entirely in the Uncanny Valley Pride Rock and like the voice acting is not great, I will say the m v P. Billy Rely on the Street by Billy steals the movie. He and Southrogon are by far the best part, which I was like, not expecting. It's like the movie PEPs up finally when they show up, and it actually also has something that I liked. The one thing I liked about it was that like to again,
because I don't remember the original very well. It's like it wasn't like The Beauty and the Beast one. I was like comparing it in my mind the whole time to like the better version that is original this. I didn't remember anything about the original Lion king, so I was just like, this is the weirdest me. If you didn't, if you came from space and saw this, you would just be like, humans are Hamlet. Everbody always says it's Hamlet. It is Hamlet. It's not really Hamlet. Yeah, it is.
Your uncle comes and takes the kingdom away from you and your dad. I don't know. And it's also all stolen from an anime Kimba Kimba the White Lion, which is Hamlet about a lion. Speaking of I don't know is growing up? Um, we have another night call speaking of feeling love. Hi, my name is Logan. UM. I've currently going through all of your old episodes and listening and I feel like I have just made three new friends. But so I have many many ghost stories and weird
ship that has happened. UM. But I have a question tonight, UM, and that question is, did you guys have anything odd happened to you when you were like twenty eight or thirty one? Did you feel like that was a significant time in your life? Because that is when you're astrological. Saturn return happened, which brings about a lot of um change and emotional upheaval and big life moves. So I was just wondering if you guys could stay back and recognize that you're slat in the turn um impacted you
at all. All right, good night, Thank you very much for that night call Logan. I think I heard that right, Um Saturn returns. Guys. I feel like I've talked about this off the pod, but I've gone so weirdly deep on astrology, uh in the last few months, just because Um, I was like my insurance change so I can't see my therapist anymore. So that's what happened free therapy exactly. Well, it's like if you really it's good. It's a thing of like you want to read about yourself a lot,
then like get into astrology. But um, that is true. I mean I'm not always in therapy, but I think you can do a lot of what they do in therapy by just asking yourself a bunch of leading questions like a journalist. That's what I just generally do. Although then there's also the bad version of that, where you're like trying to fall asleep and you're like, oh, yeah, no, don't do it when you're trying to go self care. Self care. Self care is not um lying away wondering
where it all went wrong. Uh, I think that a return is real. I did a lot of ship happen to you guys between when you were twenty one. I mean yeah, but like it makes sense. I didn't like, I don't like that phase because that was the phase when everybody started to like settle down, and I was like, I am not ready like rage against the dying of the light, like very hard, um, And that took a while to get over. But maybe that's what it was.
You guys have probably already gone through your Saturn return or we're like in it. But when I met you, right, yeah, I mean I think it's also like that period of time was also the period of time when I was like steadily employed. So I think at the time I was like, here begins my life as an adult, and then recently I've been more like that was maybe like just another phase of my life, and then this is
another another phase of my life. We actually you you started at grant Land, I think right when Molly and I had begun because I think I was twenty nine. I was twenty nine when my first kid was born, right, and Molly's just a couple of months younger than I turned twenty seven, like that first year that I was in Korean Yeah, so yeah, um that was pre Saturn. Yeah,
it was pretty sadur Returns. I thought it was twenty seven because that's when people am I just thinking of the club, just thinking of, um, yeah, because I had to jo theme party. Um, but I I yeah, I think of like the years before that being so much harder for me, And I guess it was a different kind of hard because I had that job and then like from then, I when I was doing like very demanding jobs, but I had like a stable income, like you said, so I felt I didn't feel like the
same kind of struggle. But I was definitely, like I guess, learning lessons. If you want to think about Saturn Returns in that way, which is technically what it is. It's not necessarily supposed to be like, oh, all the bad ship happens to you. It's just that like you are going to learn important life lessons. Yeah. I thought it was like you take stock of everything you've learned so far. And you're like, it's your courter life, christis what am
I going to? Like? Yeah, but I also feel like, yeah, I feel like twenty five was when I was like, what the funk am I doing? Really hard? Because I had like imagined I would know by then, you know, just like I was like a twenty five year old like knows what they're doing in life, and so yeah, I guess seven was when like things I had been doing for free for a long time, like finally started to pay off in terms of getting work from it. Yeah,
So it did feel like, oh, it's a different phase. Um. But then there was I was talking to somebody else about this, like that that thing is when you start to get paid to do the thing you like, and then that becomes its own kind of burden, right, Well, having a job sux and not having a job sex and they suck in a different way. But there's no there's no happy medium and and freelancing, which like technically, you know, theoretically should be like the best of both worlds.
It's like the worst of the worst of it. It's the worst. And then there was that threat on Twitter the other day about the editor who was trying to chase down freelance payments. Yeah, that's just life. She was owed five thousand dollars. Yeah, and it was just her trying to get it back. And you know all of these different publications who she redacted, the publications themselves, but you know them trying to be like, well, yes we're late, but we're not going to pay you a late payment
because that that's just crazy. If you ever want to write here again, we're not going to give me that. A nightmare. Thing about the gig economy that was about one of the door Dash or somebody or it was like, if you tip them, they take it out of their pas. Yes, because what they do is they take tips and then they try and say like, okay, well you're making minimum wage because you've made this much in tips. But that's all. That's not just door Dash. They do that at plenty
of service restaurants and UM. Someone I talked to and I was on the daily site geist about UM when I was waitressing and a chat like a party walked out on their check and it had I had to make up the difference out of my paycheck. So I went home like twenty dollars poorer than I started the day and someone else worked at the same fast casual restaurant and they tweeted and they were like, oh, the same thing happened to me. I was making two dollars
an hour. Yeah. While we're talking about astrology really quick, we should shout out Ariana Lennarski, friend of the pod. Um she did tarot card readings that are mean up and they were all so crazy accurate. Yeah, they were amazing. I've actually want to say that, like in lieu of therapy, that was the best thing that I've done in a million years. It made me feel like everything made sense. So book arian Lenarski Dream City Tarot, Dream City Tarot.
She's got a podcast, what's your deal? Yeah, that's a taro based podcast. Yeah. She was great. I had a very it was very like it was not an optimistic reading, but she made me feel better about it. I was like, oh, no, let's say where this was. Oh so this was that? Um, I said it was at our lot at our meet up at the Wattles. First, tell you if we can tell you about it now that it's already happened, But after we've done a meetup, we can tell you where
that it was. Because we're going to try to move around, but yeah, it's for our our lovely Patreon supporters at the twenty dollar and up level. Um, we've been trying to do these quarterly meetups where um well and I think we'll figure out where we do the next one. But the first one was in l A out here over the weekend. Lovely day at Waddles Mansion, which we've talked about a few times on the pod. Um but
it was great. We got to meet its, great people came to area listeners and just chat and um, yeah we had a tarot, we had an Arianna read tarot in a tarot tent um and we were just at a haunted mansion during the day. Yeah, I didn't see any ghosts, but we did have an octopus balloon that kept like trying to see, which did add a spooky feel. Um. I just saw another picture of it. It belongs to a child. Now, oh nice. Yeah, thanks so thank you everybody who came out for that, um, all our friends
of the pod. It was super, super fun and you want to join our Patreon you can do so at patreon dot com slash Nightcall and yeah, we'll be do another on one in October. I guess yeah, some more on that soon. Also, thank you for are bearing with us. We wonder we as we're recording this really don't know we were when. But thanks for sticking by while we figure out our pod books. We will see you on
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