It's ten two pm in Sherman, Wyoming, and you're listening to Nightcall. Hello and welcome tonightcall a Collin show for artist Topy in reality. My name is Emily Oshida. I am in Los Angeles for once, and with me on the other line, of course, are Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch. Hello. Hello, nice to be back on the same coast with you guys.
Welcome back and happy belated birthday. Oh thank you. I mean, I got the best gift of all of the last hour of October one, if you know, you know, um speaking of I feel like I was thinking of this because you know, obviously I was like, oh yeah for show, and the next day like when the Trump COVID news was breaking, and I was like, man, this is like
the definition of an evolving story. I don't even feel we could say anything about it because it'll probably be outdated by the time this episode comes out on Monday. So in the meantime, we're just going to take a bunch of night calls this week. Yeah, we have some really good ones coming up, So thank you to all of our listeners who called in and wrote in these
past couple of weeks. But first I just wanted to talk to you guys or just give a little bit of a report from the road from my travels, because on my trip back from Iowa, I had a pyramid heavy trip. By pyramid heavy, I mean I saw two pyramids. That's a lot of pyramids for one trip, to be honest. Yeah,
and all west of the Mississippi. So I was plotting out my route as I have been doing every time I hit the road again, and looking for things to see off of I a d in Wyoming, which was a big chunk of the route that I took, you know, consulting Wyoming travel guides and stuff, and and and found the Aims Monument. Should I've never heard of before. But it's a pyramid that it was built. It's it's now, you know, just south of of I eighty. But it
dates back to obviously before the interstate system. But it was a stop on the Transcontinental, the Union Pacific Railroad. It was once the highest point on the Union Pacific Railroad. It's something that like eight thousand, two hundred and forty seven ft above sea level. So I just, I mean, it's just it's very bizarre. This is a treeless, you know, wind swept plane in UH in Wyoming, just outside a laramie UM and there's a dang pyramid there. So I was like, I gotta see this pyramid. I got to
see about this pyramid. How big is it? Um, it's about the size of a small house. I would say, a modest pyramid. Yeah, a modest pyramid. You know you can walk around it, and you could probably walk around it in less than a minute. I would say, is there a person in it? Well, um, there's two people on it. So then the Aims monument as a monument to um Oaks and Oliver Aims. By the way, you can name somebody Oaks and that's Olks o A K. E. S.
That's like a very Brooklyn child name. But Oaks and Oliver Aims who were the UH This is off of the Wyoming Historical Society's website. They were financiers and politicians whose business skills were largely responsible for the completion of the trans Continental Railroad. They were also later revealed to be hucksters and fraudsters um when it came to the
financing of that trans Continental railroad. UM. It was sort of interesting to read a little bit about the trans Continental railroad because at the time it was like people have compared it to like how people talk about going to Mars. Now it's just like impractical, like nobody needs that. That's massively like what a waste of money, and uh, that's just sort of funny to think about now. Uh. So they had this monument inch I'm not sure who commissioned it, if it was them, but it was designed
by Henry Hobson Richardson. He's an architect around that time, and it's got their heads on it. It's got these boss relief heads and at first I thought it was like Lincoln Abraham Lincoln, which wouldn't have not made sense because it was built largely during I think during his presidency. But it's it's really weird. It's just this sort of um, it's not a direct triangle like the Egyptian Pyramids. It's sort of it's more of a zigaratte I would say. It's kind of got this flat, flat ish top and
kind of two layers on. It will link to it so people can check it out or you can just google Aims monument. Uh. Yeah, it looked rad. Did you get out and like walk around? Yeah, So it's it's sort of. It's very close to the interstate, but it's all just dirt roads to get there, and they're really really rough dirt roads. So I was like dry pugging my little car through this uh dirt road to get
to the pyramid and nobody's around. Also, there was a fire that day, um, and I think continues to be a fire, the Mullen fire and in Wyoming, So it was really ominous out. It looked so apocalyptic when you posted a picture, and it looked very much like hell.
It was it felt like hell. It was crazy. Um. The wind was so strong that like I had to be careful, this is happening to me before and strong wind where like the car door has slammed on my leg with a high lived but it was like that it was my hat and my hat was literally blowing off of my head and I had to go chasing after it like I was in an old timey cartoon. Um. But it was Yeah, it was very dramatic. I took some pictures and I don't know if there's a body
in there. There should be a body, but it was like a big churst chap like they would get out because the transcontinential railroad was so long they had to switch out engines halfway through the journey, so or probably multiple spo stops on the journey, So that was one of those switching places, and so all everybody had to get out of the train and they would switch out the engine and people would walk around and check out
the pyramid like that was the activity. And then they moved the railroad like three miles to the south, and the little town that had sprung up there, Sherman Wyoming, became a ghost town. So, um, there's and I think there's just a cemetery there. That's all that's left of it. Cool,
but that was not the only pyramid that you saw. Yeah, So around Salt Lake City, I transitioned from the Interstate eighty to fifteen, which goes through Las Vegas, Nevada since City, and I made a little detour just to check out the luxere Um because I had been seeing rumors that
they're gonna be demolishing the lux or possibly. This is not confirmed officially, but sources say that that MGM is considering tearing down the lux sore as part of their general push to d theme their Vegas properties, which is bullshit. They don't know what they got. The themed casinos are all the best. I think this is the official night cost totally. People want a party in a pyramid. You
can still put your superclubs in a pyramid. Yeah, I don't think there's a Is there a club but lux so I don't think there is, Like there's a club in all of them. I just watched from Duck Till Dawn, which ends with a reveal that the club the titty bars, really in an Aztec pyramid at the end, and it reminded me that when I went to Tijuana last time, we saw there was like a club in the shape of an Aztec pyramid that looked amazing. We're all for pyramids,
real and and fake. Why are they getting rid of the themed casinos? Why it's just a vestige of the nineties. Yeah, they went They did a family friendly phase in the nineties where they were like, we're going to be bigger than Disney World. Families are all going to come to Las Vegas, so we're gonna put all this family oriented stuff. And then in the two thousands at some point they were like, funk that we're going back to like adults who want to drink and do drugs and get laid.
Why are they assuming that adults don't like themes? Also, they could still be bigger than Disney because Disney might be going down, So somebody's got to stick around for a theme. Yeah, like the ex caliber needs to stay there, like it's it's it's probably the only thing that's single handedly holding Las Vegas together, that castle. They also they just blow up casinos every once in a while. It's
like a publicity stunt as much as anything else. It's like, hey, we're blowing up this thing that was falling into disrepair and we're just going to build a whole new one to generate promo. Some might say it is the biggest display of excess in Las Vegas that regularly happens, because it's just like, what reuse the building, like rehab it?
Fuck no, let's tear it down and build any I've always said to that, like if they had let some of the casinos that they did blow up, like the Sands, if they had just kept them around and referbed them, they would now be like people would love like a like a rat pack casino. It's it's kind of kind of stunnying that there's not really a rat pack themed casino in Las Vegas, Like I think maybe like the Cromwell, which is a relatively new and kind of smaller casino,
is maybe in that zone. But there's not like an all out like Las Vegas like fifties Las Vegas theme casino, which feels like a major oversight. That's like all that anybody wants. That's what Fremont Street is for. But yeah, I mean there's the d theming has been happening, particularly with the MGM properties. The Monte Carlo shut down I think sometime last year or maybe even back as far as eighteen and now it is Park MGM, So it's
just like blandly fancy MGM. I mean, at least they didn't tear down the Monte Carlo like they just rebranded it because it wasn't that distinctive of a building or a structure and not like a pyramid or something. But but yeah, this rumor has been posted on vital Vegas, which is like a Las Vegas insider blog. Uh and the writer is Scott Robin and he said, um, he said,
And this is all according to insiders. But the company has long felt its hands are typed by the distinctive but limiting Egyptian theme of a lux Or and UH. Company officials have discussed demolition of both Alux lux Or and ex Caliber for at least five years, but have been unable to proceed due to union contracts, and it's possible that the COVID nineteen shutdown has paved the way for what's to come for lux Or. So everybody likes
lux Or here at night call. I've only been to Las Vegas one time, but if you guys like it, I do. I mean, they shoot a beam into space that you can see from space. Yeah, why would you give? And it attracts all the bats they die on the beam. Uh yeah, it's I mean it's so. I mean the inside of of of lux Or is one thing. There are some things that obviously feel like I mean tacking
a lovely way in a way that I love. But like, as far as thinking about what like investors and money Vegas people think, the structure of the luxe Or just feels timeless to me. It's so cool. It's just undeniably awesome. And I just don't know why you would it would get like it's it's a structure that defies logic like you have to have a special elevator to go up and down it. It should be protected as a historical, like architecturally significant building. I think, um, but they don't
care about such things in since city. If you have any pyramid sightings you'd like to call in about for our new segment Pyramid Pals, Yes, leave us a night call it to four oh four six night with the details of your pyramid sighting. Also, if anyone has been to the pyramids in Egypt, I would love to hear about that. Please do call in about that. I've always wanted to go. Yeah, number one dream destination. But if we can't get to Egypt, I would also accept the
Bass Pyramid in Memphis. Yeah, the best pro pro shop. Yeah. So we're going to take a quick break and when we come back, it's all night calls, all the time. Stay tuned. We are back and we're going to take a night call about the Q and on Pipeline a night call. I have a story about an old roommate who pretty much the bill for the Hippy Dippy to
Q and on Pipeline in college. Um, I'd say like probably the most I guess behindsight is twenty but she was always very much like a chameleon, so she kind of adapted to whatever group of people we were around. But after college we kind of lost touch. And then like within the span of two years, she had moved from Miami to Costa Rica with a man who's like double her age, had a baby with him, was like going on yoga retreats in other countries. It was. It
was just a total flip in lifestyle. She's very much like party girl. And then I follow her on Instagram and she started posting like obvious the wellness stuff like yoga, like I don't know, appreciating the earth, like a lot of stuff about like natural healing, sound healing, um and like eating raw in organic foods, everything in that arena.
And then she started posting um Instagram stories from an account called red Till Babe, and I was just like, oh God, what is this And it's it's just a full on queue and on account like full of like anti back stuff, anti masks stuff and save the children, and yeah, I think it's too late for her. And I don't know. I go back and forth between like feeling bad about like me not doing anything about it, Like could I have helped her and then also like, is she well meaning? I like, I would like to
think so. I don't know. It's just seems to happen so fast. It's very crazy. But I can you know, you guys as well and share links to some of the YouTube's because they're honestly a little bit. It seems scary. It's it's just because it's and it's very dangerous. So yeah, I don't know, it's very conflicting. It's just sad to see kind of happen before your eyes. Thanks, guys, appreciate the show so much. I've been loving it past a couple of months. Thank you, Thank you so much. Yeah,
this sounds pretty classic. That sounds like the what you were describing Molly, like the Instagram influencer or want to be influencer who just gets full red pilled somehow. Well, I think it's really the anti vax thing is sort of the connection. But also once you bring in save the children and everybody's like, oh, I want to save the children. Yeah. I don't know if we've used this term before, Um I've meant you, but conspiritual is one.
But I weirdly I for a second listening to this, I was like, are we talking about the same person? But I think it's a different person. But I also know someone for a time I don't know, maybe like five years ago, I knew a few people who moved down moved to Costa Rica for yoga, as if that were something a lot of people were doing. But I
guess it was birthplace of yoga Costa Rica. Um. But they were all kind of, um, like upper middle class people who were doing yoga as like a full time job and wanted to go a little bit off the grid. And we're really drawn to Costa Rica for that reason. Um. I think all of them moved back after a little while, but some of them also have um similar kind of like I don't think anyone I know is bold enough to go full q and on on the socials, but um definitely like the anti vax stuff is in there.
But that makes me wonder if there's some weird community of yogi's in Costa Rica who are kind of doing the Q and on thing. I'm very interested in the kind of like what it is about being in that kind of community or like subscribing to a certain kind of lifestyle that just makes you more susceptible to buying into some of this stuff or just like not critical
about a lot of stuff in a way. I think it's like you're being open minded in a certain way, and you know, with a lot of spirituality stuff, it's like you're opening yourself up to a certain amount of woo woo stuff. And then who's waiting to tell people that are getting into that stuff what else is going on? Yeah? Do you guys think though, that you can ever reason
with a person who's gone? I mean, or do you think at any point in the evolution of being a sort of like spiritual person who's dabbling in some weird ideas and then they end up going full Q and on, is there any point or any kind of st atgy you could use to step in along that progression and say like, hey, I'm your friend, don't do this. There's been a lot of guides about how to get people
out of Q and on. Jamie Loftus just posting about this the other day because I think she said she had some family members who she was trying to get off the Q and on thing. Um, I do think it's possible to bring people back, is what I think. I think the thing to emphasize with a Q and
On person in your life. And I don't have any that I know of right now, but I think, I mean, I think the the thing that I have a little bit of sympathy or empathy for Q and On people about it is just like, yeah, of course, like people in power are fucked up and corrupt and are doing horrible things. It's just like you're so close, you know, like just like look five inches to the right or something, and then you know, you'll you'll there is something there,
like your instincts, your broad instincts are correct. It's like a lack of criticism. It's a back of um, I think doing your own researching way, although I think probably a lot of people would say, like I've done a lot of my own research, but I think to acknowledge that the overall tendency it is justified is maybe a good way to start with people, because I think to just say you're crazy, none of this stuff is true.
How could you think that? I mean, it's very easy to imagine how people could think that that's the scary thing about Q and On. It's for me, I can totally see, um. God, I was like I was in Iowa. I started to believe in chim trails for five seconds, like, it's very easy for me to understand how people go down this path because I was just like I looked up and there was just like suddenly so many um trails in the sky. And I was like, we're in the middle of Iowa and no planes are flying. There
should not be anything here. How am I seeing like seven? And then I was just like, Oh, I think they're just flying at altitude of particular houses here or whatever. I think it's really si about Q and on two is it provides like a universal theory for all these things where they all go together. Yeah, but it is also difficult to explain to people because a lot of it runs parallel the stuff that is real. Especially when
the Epstein stuff started coming out. It was like, oh, there is a secret cabal of pedophiles that have state power and are using it to traffic children. But it's it makes you feel crazy to be like, but it's not happening out of Comet pizza. I think it's happening
on a private island. That is terrifying. I think also like maybe there's a part of the Q and On mindset that's like nobody's willing to acknowledge ship this dark But I think maybe you could sell a Q and on person on the idea the actual darkest thing is that nothing is connected. Like that's the most like hopeless, desolate place to be. It's just like there is a lot of bad dark ship happening in the world, and a lot of it has nothing to do with each other.
Like it's just the way that the world is, and that sucks, you know. Yeah, I mean I think with some of these things too, it's like people kind of get off on being told that nobody believes them. There's something about the like I'm the only one who has this secret information and I'm trying to tell other people, but they won't listen to me. It also just like
provides people with a feeling of purpose. We've talked about how it's almost like a religious thing at this point that it doesn't matter whether it's like makes sense or not, it's just sort of like a devotion. Yeah, So if you can introduce it as like like rebellion against a church to to your queue and On friends, maybe maybe that'll hold some water. Since the entire Q and On thing is like what I've been told, you know, is all wrong, and I had no idea. My eyes are open.
Now you can do that again. Within Q and ON. I personally don't think I could ever try to convince someone that they were wrong about Q and on unless they tried to convert me. Um. But that's only because anecdotally, I think that there's such I mean, it's right now, there's like a logical like people are going on their own logic over there, and so it's hard because you
think that, I don't know. I would be worried that by trying to bring someone back from that it would almost work against me and make them even more sure that they were correct and dig in their heels like I almost think that kind of saying like, oh that doesn't interest me, but like you do you? I mean, is is that irresponsible to let someone fall off their own cliff in that way? Weren't you saying you explained it to your neighbor who didn't know what it was?
So the other I love my neighbors so much. Um my, uh, my neighbors are older and they don't use the internet, and they like to call and talk about politics and we agree on more things. But um, Yeah. My neighbor had never heard of Q and on and so I took about twenty minutes to explain it to her, and she was she could not believe that a single person on planet Earth would believe it, and I was like, not a lot of people do uh. And then we
had a good laugh. And then I got off the phone and I was like, oh god, oh no, this is so depressing. What if you indirectly red pills? Yeah? Right, no, No, she went to go do some research after that. You gotta be careful if you ever want to have me explain Q and onto you, though, you can also be sure that, like, there's a lot of total misinformation where I'm like, I'm not sure about this. I'm just gonna
throw it out there. Um, but yeah, I mean a lot of most people, as we talked about a lot on the podcast, are not on Twitter, so they don't really know about a lot of stuff that we think everyone does. Yeah, well, I gotta watch out for those red pill babes. Um, thanks for the call. Should we take another night call? Yeah? Yeah, Um, this one is our first far as I know, nightcall from Australia. I'm very excited about this one. That's roll it high nightcall.
My name is Rabbia. You see her pronouns calling you from Australia. UM. I just wanted to say about testers, I think conperiracy theory that's AQUI is wrong. I don't think you need to call that a conspiracy theory. I'd say you're probably right that it is wrong. I just I just wanted to tell you what we learned here from going through the same situation over Christmas. Often it is wrong. We just figured this out gradually because some days you'd work up and the official government hui would
say equality good you look out fie. It's not. It's just all your senses will just tell you that that's wrong. And what we gradually figured out was that basically, there's never been a need for the AQUI to be sit been this important before. It's never been disseminated to as many people, it's never changed this often. But the government data sometimes would be like the twenty four hours behind or averaged out from a bunch of different stations, or
the stations just weren't in there weren't very many of them. Well, they weren't working very well, like all kinds of things, and like you have different apps on your phone sourcing the information with different places and see different things, and you look outside your sense to see something else. So what we've figured out was purple air is the one you want to use, because that's like the kind of a source to the thing. A purple air a q
I readings comes from um people's houses. They've got their own devices modering the air quality to update all the time. They'll tell you what's really going on. That's the only fight you want to use everywhere else it's just not worth it. I mean, yeah, really really fearful. Or you went through the exact same thing not long ago, and yeah, good luck breathing for the next couple of weeks months. That's pretty rough the thing. I guess it's a small
example of what we learned generally. What we've learned from both the fives and the pandemic is that the government will always do a worse job than people. Like, always rely on the community on people on rather than anything official. You'll always get better results that way. That's what we learned. Anyway, Thank you so much. Uh, yeah, I'm looking at purple
air right now. I mean, the thing with the thing with the a q I thing is that I just always I guess I always assumed it was sort of like the temperature in a given place, like it's not it's it's it's depending on where you are, like also the environment you're around, like if you're around more trees or more asphalt, like there's going to be some variants.
And I don't know that. When we talked about it, it was we had just come off of the dangerous a qui days where we were seeing things and like I think the one fifties and above and then and and some of those days, by the way, did not feel as bad as they were being reported, but out of an abundance of caution, I at least just stayed inside UM. But then after after a number of those days, the a qui went down into moderate range and there
was no way that was moderate UM. And I live in a pretty like dense urban area of Los Angeles. There are a lot of trees, but it's also there's a lot of apartments and stuff. So you would assume that that would be like the more reliable data, I guess,
but it was it seemed very unreliable. So I appreciate purple air that recommendation, but I also think it's very interesting and totally correct to point out that this pandemic has definitely taught us that community is more reliable and kind of a better resource often than government, especially when it comes to environmental things. I would say, like I've been wanting we should table this, but like I just want to I want to note this right now and
maybe we can take some night calls about it. Like one of the most oppressing things I think of this year has been more or less confirming the fact that recycling doesn't exist for a large part, and that's you know, been completely something that's been pushed by state and local governments. Uh that you know, recycling is the way that you do your part. And I think that I think that there are certain things that you know that are like I don't Again, we just talked about Q and on.
I don't want to go full into like don't trust anything that an institution or government tells you, but I think I think right now it's very fairly safe to say that anything related to the environment and um climate change and all of that is uh suspicious at best. It also just does make one feel like you have to run around being like Q and on is fake, so is recycling. But that was a big story. It
was buried because there's so many other stories. But yeah, plastic recycling, single use plastic recycling with basically invented by oil companies, as was the term carbon footprint was made up by oil companies. Yeah, to try and take the blame off the fact that it's the oil companies who need to reduce their carbon footprint, not individuals quite so much. Um, I'm really excited that we are building solidarity with Australia because they were through it. That was Yeah, was that last?
Was that end that those fires were happening in Australia. There's just a lot of similarity between Australia and California. I think Australia is like England's California. It's like a prison planet where they sent all the convicts and also and it has been huge problems with racism and a
beach culture and fires. So I really feel like that community what you were talking about, could be you know, sharing information across international lines about you know, helping each other through something that clearly the government is not equipped to help people with its good And I agree with the caller that sometimes you just have to listen to your your nose, as they might say, when you go outside and smell smoke, even if the aqu i says
it's okay if you smell smoke, trust your instinct. Yeah. I mean again, I was in Laramie when this fire that had been about acres jumped to thirty acres um maybe forty miles away from where it was. The entire sun, like the entire sky got browned out. Um, couldn't even it wasn't even the red sun anymore at that point. It was just dark, and uh, everything smelled like fire, you know, classic fire stuff. And my, uh my weather
app said that the air quality was good. I think it was something like at a thirty or forty on there, so, you know, I I figured that was also because they probably didn't have as many monitors in Wyoming maybe as they do in Los Angeles, but I don't know, Um, but that felt fairly obvious that the air was full of smoke. I have definitely been using purple air because, like the Collars said, it has a lot of local sensors.
All though again I've started to become totally paranoid that none of it's real because um, sometimes it still feels like it'll be nicer or less nice outside than the number. Yeah, well, shall we take a night email? Uh? Perhaps this one from Joe Let's do it high night Call. I recently came across the futile payphone project with tie ins too the Willamette Dream Project. This seems like a harmless public art project, but it is extremely creepy. I have attached
a link to a Reddit post about the project. The original poster has a video of him using one of pay phones and recording to hear what happens when you pick up one of the phones. The phone is free and offers options to do things such as press too to apologize, whatever the heck that means. The phones offer an option to record yourself telling your dreams for something called the Willamette Dream Project, which this guy seems to
think could be MK ultra adjacent. Like I said, who knows if this is just a weird art project or something more sinister, but it reeks of night call. I figured this could be a cool discussion. Would even be willing to visit the one in Detroit and record my own experience for you guys. Just let me know. I'm in Ohio. I asked Joe if Joe felt like it when they please go to the Detroit phone. But it's it's very strange. The link to the Reddit post that
Joe attached was there are these flyers. Uh, this one was found in Kingston, Ontario. I believe. Um, there's a cicada and the bottom right, which the poster thought maybe a link to the Cicadia Cicada thirty three oh one project, which was like a kind of like weird puzzle, like an Internet puzzle from a few years ago. Um, but the flyer says, have you been having strange dreams? The Kingston Dream Survey is investigating a recent spike in bizarre,
unexplainable dreams since the arrival of COVID nineteen. If you have been experiencing any unusual dream activity, you can help by reporting a summary with a phone number, um, asking for a description of the dream. And then yeah, there's a phone in Detroit. The link there's a link to a company named Futell that places free pay phones um around like lower income neighborhoods. The whole thing just seems really really suspect and like it is probably motivated by
something not good. Um, there's not a lot of information. Really, do you guys really think that it's strange to ask people to share their dreams anonymously. It's not just that, though apparently the prompts are are strange. Um, and and I think putting them in like low income neighborhoods and some some people think it's like a data mining a data mining thing, but it's it's also dense. It's like one of those rabbit holes that takes forever to like
get to any actual information. Um, there's like a lot of videos in this reddit, uh, posts that will we will link to in our show notes. Yeah. There. It's as someone says, it's to do with the September fifth cult, a reddit cult predicting something bad would happen on September five, which is posted like a month ago. Obviously, I'm sure many bad things happened on September. Many bad things happen
every day now. Yeah. Yeah, we have money down on like every corner of the roulette wheel as far as oh yeah, I've been saying you could do a we didn't start the fire for just every single day. Um. There's also a link to something called the Church of Robotron by the way, in this this, this whole this was a hot tip and very weird. If you guys, if any of our listeners have any information about these
weird phones, please let us know. Yeah, I mean I think at this point any payphone is going to seem a little mysterious because there just aren't that many left of them. Yeah. Um, yeah, anytime you see a payphone in the wild and it's functional, it feels a little bit. It feels a little wild. I mean, it looks like these are built out of existing um like a T and T or or Bell telephone booths, um, the futile ones. They're those doctor who things. They take you to a tartist.
We don't have the full like booth though in the States. For the most part, I feel like your legs, Yeah, your your legs get left behind. Um. It's very hard to change into your superhero costume, it is, unless it's just changing shirts. Um. The site I'm on, the futile site, which is a futile dot net um. And also if anybody I have a suspicion that somebody who works on this listens to night call, this just is like a little vibe that I have. Really, Yeah, I don't know.
It feels very nightcall. UM. At Futile, we believe in the preservation of public telephone hardware as a means of providing access to the Agora for everyone, and towards that goal, we are privileged to provide free telephone calls, voicemail, and telephone mediated services. All services, including telephony and human interaction
are free from any Futile telephone. The thing that makes me just think this is an art project is if you really want to do some data mining, like Google is doing this and in a way that people would actually use it at you know, at scale. Um, you know, we use it for our night calls. Um. You know, for all we know, Google is using the uh conspiracies and and and otherwise strange stories that people are sending to us on the nightcall voicemail and uh, I don't
know mkal trainin it. I have no idea like that's more likely to This just feels so small and niche that I'm like, what are they actually How many people are actually using these things every day? I don't know. I'd like to recommend an Instagram account that it's not related to futel, but is on a similar note, called the call center on Instagram. It's the Underscore Call Underscore Center, which is I believe in art project based around the idea that there's like a phone that they want you
to call and that they're listening to your calls. Everybody should check it out. It's sort of like an art project about this things like this conspiracy. I don't think it is itself an actual conspiracy, but it's incredibly nightcall and I'm a big fan of the call center. Nice call center, Come on, night call. I'm going to call this number. I I just the the one the Kingston
from the Yeah I want to call. I'm very interested because I think, like, again, this is another thing going back to the Q and on thing, like a lot of things that are art can be interpreted as being satanic or you know, c I a adjacent or something with the right lens, Like, I can totally imagine a conceptual artist leaving having setting up a voicemail with you know, weird or impressionistic prompts about people's dreams, and I think
that could actually be really interesting. Like that sounds like something I would do maybe if I had a lot of spare time and I was a conceptual artist. Like, that's the kind of thing I'm interested in. Oh totally. I mean I don't actually, I don't think it's I I'm skeptical as to whether or not it's data mining. But if you read through the whole Reddit threat, there mentions of like calling border patrol and stuff that just seems like if it is a conceptual art piece, maybe
it's like it doesn't have the best intentions. They called border ptrol. Who calls border patrol? I think it's like, I'm not I just closed the tubs, so hold on here. So part way down the Reddit threat, someone said that they left this comment on the one of the videos that's exploring what this is um when we called the fu telephone service thing, they mentioned the Church of Robotron
and gave options for different sermons. There was also an option called hold the phone and eventually takes you to someone saying choose your adventure and this weird very loud and this weird music, very loud, with someone saying something in the background with a series of numbers that we can't hear. I also watched a video of someone calling from a futile phone booth with an option for concentration camps. And when he pressed for that, it called the U
S Border Patrol. There are new dream survey fires in Ontario with a little cicada symbol at the bottom right corner. There are now few telephone booths popping up in Detroit as well. I mean that's maybe a good Maybe it's
breaking border patrol. They're listing border patrol as concentration camps, which is true, so I don't it feels it is, but you wonder, like, I don't know, I want to believe that it's a good thing, because, like we said, it sounds very niccall, but I'm also so used to everything this year being a bad thing that I immediately jumped to the conclusion that it's somehow nefarious. I think
you get into a little bit. You can get into some dicey territory, as we've explored with you know, some of our internet eric cults and cult adjacent things that if you start to imitate or go meta and uh, conspiracy stuff like you're kind of cause plane being a part of a conspiracy or a cult or something like that, but not like you know, kind of a little disingenuously. I think you can run into some dicey territory. But well, it's funny. It's funny when it overlaps with like performance art.
That is the strangest. A friend of ours worked on a Marina Bramovich thing that was like a commercial for Microsoft or something that when they put it up online, it got so many Q and on comments. Yeah, what I was talking about with the Q and on thing, it's just like any considered satanic or whatever. But then also like Microsoft took it down because they were like, we don't want our brand associated with like satanism and pedophilia,
and that's all the comments are now. Marina Bramovic, who know that she would be the patrons state satanism and pedophilia. She's not in you know, she's not like into it though she's I know, but they like, you know, there were parties or whatever where she was pieces. You know. I just feel like other artists would be like, yes, that's right, I am like the high Priest of Satan
or whatever. She seems confused by the fact that people are reading that into her work, even though as an artist, I really can't control what people read into your work. You shall we take another night email? Hell yeah, this one is from Kevin we'll read this. Kevin writes, Hello,
night call. It's eighty three pm in Pittsburgh, and I'm a longtime listener, first time right or in her So this study any links out to it just came out saying that if we were ever able to time travel, we could go into the past without creating a paradox. For example, if you wanted to stop COVID from happening, you could go back in time and make it so the first person doesn't get it. But no matter what you do, somebody else would eventually get COVID, and then
things from there would develop basically exactly the same. So so you could minimally changed the past, but not in a significant way. And because of that, you couldn't destroy the reason you travel back in time in the first place. Therefore, no paradox makes sense. And then I thought of the Mandela effect. The Mandela effect is the wacky internet theory that says, sometimes when there are tiny differences in culture, it isn't that you are remembering these events wrong. It's
that somehow the timeline has been slightly disrupted. Examples of this include the Barren Stain Bernstein Bears, the two different spellings of Barrenstein Bears and that movie where Shack played a wrapping Genie. But people say it wasn't Shack, it was the actor comedian Sindbad playing the wrapping genie. Full disclosure, I'm not sure if the genie wraps. I just assumed he did Shazam. I don't think. I don't remember anyway. A lot of people say this is crazy. It isn't
the reality changing, but an example of faulty memories. They're probably right. However, what if this theory that says if time travel happens, it can't cause significant changes, but it can cause tiny, inconsequential ones is true. It's a real thinker, Kevin, thank you. You know you know the Mandela effect is is based on this this sort of thing that a bunch of people remembered that Nelson Mandela died at a time that he did not. I believe that's what it is.
It's it's it's it's name for this false memory that apparently a lot of people have that he died. I had this recently about the actor Christopher Lloyd because I was watching both Adams Family movies for the second time this year. Because time is right, and I mentioned like oh man, it was It's so sad that he died to whoever I was with, and they were like, really, I didn't know that he died, and then I checked it and he didn't die. And I completely remember Christopher
Lloyd died when I was a kid. I don't know if anybody shares this memory, we might have another Mandela effect on our hands. I do not remember Christopher Lloyd dying. That's I think that one belongs only just in my little brain. I think some of these things too, are like maybe really mers that pre date before you could
fact check rumors. So for me, I'm like, I remember someone telling me that, like somebody from Saved by the Bell had died in a horrible car crash, and that was like a rumor in seventh grade or something that you couldn't disprove at the time. And weird things could go viral like that organically because they were just like school, you know, play playground Q and on. Yeah, they used
to just be urban, urban legends. Yeah. The Barrenstein Bears one seems pretty obvious to me, which is that anytime there's someone with a name that is spelled like, you know, differently than you'd expect, especially if you're a kid and you hear your parents pronouncing it, you're probably like looking at the front of the book and like mentally kind
of editing it and like correcting it. I know that I have relatives whose names are often misspelled, like Almos, always misspelled to the point where they have other family members with different last names, or you know, friends that they've had forever and they still address them with the wrong spelling of their name, which drives me nuts. But
I guess that's just one of those things. But the the like wrapping Genie or non wrapping Genie one, I'm like, okay, was that, Like Emily said, are you talking about Shazam? Which was it? Who was it in Shazam? Was it Shack or Sinbad? I think it was. I mean I think also some of these things just show the power of group think, which is that if somebody is like, hey, does anybody remember this thing, a lot of people will
be like, oh, yeah, I remember that. Kazam, oh Kausam, Okay, yeah, I er I was like a recent film, okay, so because am so that was referring to the movie because am and them. Yeah it's Shack. But but if you enter Kazam Sinbad, are you going to get a ton of hits there? M M, I don't know. Yeah. Some of some of these things too, it's like they're so minor, you know, they're not like some people think World War two ended and other people don't or something. It's not
like true alternate history. It's like these very small weird things. For me. The Berenstein Bears one, which is always used as like the example. I was like, well, I think I just kind of made it like a Jewish last name, and then it turns out it's not. It's like made by Christians, right, So that seems very easy to explain to me. Okay, wait, guys, I found the movie. Spoiler alert, the Shazam movie never existed. Sinbad Chasm and it's Chaseam
with two a's and the second it says. In a May interview, actor and sports star Shaquille O'Neal stated that if kids wanted to see him in Sinbad team up as Kazam and Shazam in an Avenger's style genie movie, he'd put on that hilarious nineties costume and do it. There's one problem, though, the so called Sinbad genie movie
doesn't exist. Yeah, I'm super into believing, uh this theory that these minor differences happen because of time travel, mostly just because right now I would love to time travel. I just watched twelve Monkeys last night, so very in that mindset. Isn't this also like the plot of that movie yesterday where the Beatles didn't exist so you have
to invent them? Yeah? I mean twelve Monkeys did make me think about it a lot, kind of logically about if you did go back to stay January until everybody there was about to be a plague, who would listen to you? Well, I've been exploring this at length. I won't bore you guys with all of the details, but I will bore you with some, which is um that if you were going to time travel back to January, you would have to have of a list of early examples.
You would have to have predictions that you could prove yourself with that happened in January. So you'd have to do your homework before you time traveled. Because if you were going to time travel to say, like January second or something, you would have to have predictions ready to go for like the second, the third, the fourth and the fifth, so people would believe you. And only at
that point could you introduce something like predicting coronavirus. And actually you'd have to go back earlier than January, probably because coronavirus, some say, might have already been circulating even in l A and like December Jina ran out of
the bag already. I mean, it's also like, you know, we have some examples of non time traveling instances of this, like the Bob would word thing, you know, in his interview with Trump uh where he basically acknowledged that they knew that it was dangerous and he just didn't want to cause a panic or whatever. And it's just like that's about as close as you could get to like
time traveling and changing the app come of it. But it's like the wrong people are doing the right And also maybe there's nothing that can be like what would you do? Would you just like barge into I don't know the C d C and and I don't know what would you You'd have to use some like very dire threats in order to get things through. I feel like you would go find the original pangul in yeah, and release it into the wild instead make sure that it doesn't talk to any humans. Was it a pangulin
allegedly allegedly a penguin. People at first thought it was a bat, and I follow a lot of that enthusiasts who were like, don't blame bass. Everyone always blames the bat. It's not the bath's fault. Even if a zoonotic disease jumps to humans, it's not because the bats are like trying to kill all humans. It's because of climate change and humans going into parts of the environment that they shouldn't have and you know, burning down forests and stuff.
If it's always humans, which Twelve Monkeys also gets into a lot some good some good uh on point stuff in Twelve Monkeys, I haven't seen that in Second Man, Oh watch it. It just feels it feels like now, but it does also have that. I mean, I feel like there was that time period when the virus was in other countries but it hadn't made it to America yet, where I was just like sitting in my car every day feeling insane, being like what can I do? You
know before it gets here. It reminds me of when you know that you're getting sick, which if you can't tell I am right now, and you're just like, don't get sick, don't get sick, and you're trying to do everything you possibly can to not get sick, like you're taking all the like you know, weird supplements, yeah, massaging your notes, but you know what's going to happen. And I think that was how we all felt here when
we were like, Okay, it's spreading everywhere. It's like obviously going to happen to us soon too, so we just have to like not have that happen. Yeah. A friend of mine invented a time travel theory that I really liked. They may have been on drugs when they invented it, but it involved the idea that jokes are a way of time traveling, because when you tell a joke, it's like, let's say you tell a knock knock joke and you're like,
knock knock, and the person's like, who's there. It's because they jump ahead to what they think the punchline is going to be. They're jumping into the future, and then when it's something different than they thought. Time splits you mean the anticipation, you mean, it's just like a quantum type split. Okay, well, the same can be said for anything like your friend is definitely on drugs, but we're causing rifts in the and we're causing quantum rifts. Right
now as we speak, a butterfly slap its wings. It just really makes you think about what quantum riff could you cause that would make things go a better way. But things like twelve monkeys. In general, time travel theory tends to say that you can't change anything. Whatever you change is gonna be counter changed in some way, or is going to be what was meant to happen all along. Yeah, they're sort of. It's it's crazy because time travel, you would think would be more about being able to fix
things and change things. But I think within most time travel theories there's sort of an acceptance that certain things are fixed that you can't change. That's what only what the big anti time travel lobby wants you to think. Let's expose them. Here it time and on. We think time is whatever you wanted time, especially because because what day is it? Ever? Now it's much um? Should we take one more night call before we wrap up? Or night email so to speak? Sure, this is a night
call from Emma high night call. I was catching up on older episodes, and your discussion of whether or not airbnbs were haunted reminded me of something that happened to me last winter. At the end of last year, my extended family rented an Airbnb cabin for the weekend. It wasn't totally remote, not a cabin in the woods type of situation, but definitely not in a densely populated area.
The cabin itself was mostly decorated in the personality less Airbnb style subway tile kitchen west Elmie furniture, but we started to notice one odd thing. The place was absolutely filled with evil eye pendants and things like these, with an example that will put in the show notes. They were literally everywhere, on top of every door frame or archway, multiple in every room, about three by the front and
back doors. It seemed totally out of place from the rest of the design, unless these are some kind of hip decoration trend that I'm unaware of. Already a little spooky, but the truly spooky thing happened on the last night we were there. I'm woken up by a dog barking in the distance. We hadn't heard any neighbors dogs the past few days then I hear a soft humming outside, not any recognizable tune. It sounded like someone is circling the house while humming. It pauses for a little and
I hear it again. This time it sounds like it's coming from the living room and hallways. Now I know one of my family members has insomnia, so I peek outside my door to see if they were awake and being accidentally incredibly creepy. But when I investigate the living room, no one's there. I don't hear the humming again. After that, I asked about it the next day and no one
else heard anything. We leave the next day as planned, and nothing else like this has happened to me since I don't even really believe in ghosts, just the natural creepiness of a chaotic universe. But who knows, thought you guys might enjoy the story. This is so scary. Um, this is really creepy to me. I get goose bumps already. This emale um mostly the humming thing, but also I
think evil evil eye pendants. Give me give me the willies. Um. Well, as we have discussed, airbnbs should give you the willies because they are haunted by the people they've displaced. Yes, um, although I think evil eyes are meant to to repel. Yeah right, yeah, but I think I don't know. There's something about them being hung which tells me that there
was a problem. There's a reason they've been hung. And like my guests after this story would be that like whatever this humming thing was and this presence, this person felt the owner of the airbnb hung these pendants because of it. And so it's like, even though the pendants themselves are meant to ward it off, it just tells me like there's an issue here, like there's a totally There's also nothing creepier than tuneless humming gives me the creeps.
I just rewatched Midsummer the other day. Um, and I was talking with my husband about Hereditary, which we both agreed we thought was scarier. And the reason that we thought it was scarier was because of the clicking, the tongue clicking. Hereditary is terrifying. Midsummer is scary, but it's more funny. It's funnier. But also, like, I really like both the devices in both movies of the clicking and the the weird breath thing in Midsummer being used to
convey like something really off putting or unsettling. And I think that humming is like potentially even more unsettling than those things. The humming is there's something of like, yeah, like Molly said, the tuneless tunelessness, where it's like something trying to imitate a person, because it's a human sound that could exist pre speech. You know, it's yeah, exactly, it's an human pre speech. Sweet peach oh solved it.
Oh my god, the sound of a of a person trying to come out of the wavelengths a human voice. Do you guys think whistling or humming is scarier? I think tuneless humming is the scarier. I mean, I'd be scared if I was somewhere dustolate and I heard some whistling.
I think the humming is scarier. When I think of humming, I also think of like um, you know, like keenan uh, which is always like you know, that's such a like ancient sort of morning practice, and it just feels so like you're accessing these roots of like the very beginning of humanity that it's always kind of like where do we come from? I don't know. Yeah, I think there's that,
and there's also it could be an electronic hum. You know, it could be something that's kind of like a synthesized human um, some noise that's kind of almost like electrical but also imitating a person. Now I've gotten the creeps. Now I've caught whatever. I fail. It's a lawnmower man. It's your lawnmower trying to become a man. Well, I am so grateful to Emma for sending us this story just because we had to kick off Spooky October somewhere and other, so uh this, you know, now I've had
my first spook of the month. Thank you to all of our listeners who called in and wrote in and shared your night calls and emails and thoughts with us this week. We love doing an all call episode. So fun. We'll be back next week. Maybe we'll have some more information to sort through. Visa visa potus covid. I'd like to say potus covid, It's just it's just rolls off the ton. But yeah, that that does it for us?
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