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off with. We have been talking actually now for the past few weeks about AI about their consciousness slash lack of consciousness and the possibility of it ever existing. So we got a fun little call about that high night call. Uh,

first time caller from Kentucky. Um. I just wanted to throw in with that when you were talking about AI and h the idea of making it self conscious, um, and then somebody's bringing up making the AI is like democratic or whatever or have to come to consensus, and it just made me think of um Evan Gillian and if I remember correctly, the supercomputers and that show, they have three of them and they have to come to like a consensus before they act or follow orders. Or whatever.

And I think there are times throughout the show that the computers actually like don't necessarily do what they want because the decision the computers come to might be like you know, differently aligned are intended than like the initial order that the people operating like put in or whatever. But anyway, left the part test, have a great day. Thanks by thank you for the call, Thanks for bringing Eva into it. Uh yeah, do you guys want to hear about the Maggi system. Let's let's default to evan

Galian expert um. So it's such a it's such a wild idea, and I think maybe subconsciously I was thinking of this when I talked about like the AI coming to a consensus, because in the show there's the system is called the Maggi system, and so they have it for this the the center, the main base that most

of the stuff in the show takes place. And like you would think, okay, so they made like three supercomputers and they like you know, they're basically like setting up for like a fail safe in case one of the supercomputers goes wonky or whatever. So you have to have this consensus between the three of them about any decisions that I mean it's basically this thing that replaces like

a congress for this, um, this sort of militarized sub community. Uh. But the this is the thing that's like silly about it is that the computers are have been uploaded with the personality of one woman, just three different facets of her personality. Um, it's like one of the character's moms and um one is her as a scientist, one is her as a mother, and one is her as a woman. And so all of the decisions from this like military organization are made by the scientists, the mother and the

woman of Dr Naoko Akagi. Uh. And it's yeah, I gets tacked at one point. It's a pretty good episode. Um, it's just very it's it's sort of funny. It's like it's one of these things that like you're you're with it as like a sci fi like a just pure like hard sci fi concept until you're like wait, what

why would they let anybody do that? And also like it's again and like the reason this doesn't exist in real life is like it depends on this technology that we don't have and that I don't think we'll ever have where you can like sync with the machine and like imprint your personality on it. Um. So wait, the in the in the wiki that you sent us for this, there are also there are different branches that also have

the trios of Maggie computers too. Yeah, so every every all these different bases have their their system, their trio of computer. So it's the same principle, but they could be imprinted with different personalities. We don't know necessarily. Um, this has become the podcast for Emily just explains up in Gillian, No, that is a different podcast that I need to get paid money for. But yeah, I yeah,

it's like a funny it's a funny AI idea. I'm I'm like a I like to just be a connoisseur of AI ideas in science fiction, even if they're completely not like practical or um feasible at all. Did you guys ever watch the show Out of This World? Oh? Yeah, it was a sitcom from the eighties where a girl's dead father I believe, was in like a crystal Yeah, it was it her father. It was that show was crazy Town, it was the Advice Yeah, you know, there

were just like a lot of weird, high concept sitcoms. Yeah, the cocaine era um, but she was an alien in that one. She was an alien, but she communicated with her father through like a crystal. Wow. Yeah, it was like it was I'm looking it up right now. It was the NBC Prime Time. There were a lot of sitcoms that have plot lines that sound like anime. There's

also Small Wonder, which is like small Under a total animal. Yeah, just to just to be the clarifier on Out of This World, it was a girl named Evie who discovers on her thirteenth birthday that her father Troy, is an alien. I'm reading this from Wikipedia. From the planet on Tara's Prime in the Scorpio galaxy. Her half alien heritage gives her superhuman abilities. Blah blah blah. Anyway, Yeah, her name is Evie, Evie, I know Evan Gillian. The cover rut on the IMDb page looks so Jan kiet I watched

the Ship Out of That shows a good show. Well for Reynolds is on it way, speaking of um parental conflicts, yes, um, I really wanted to bring to the night called Table to the Red Table talk the story of Jordan's Peterson and his daughter Thatchayla Peterson. MICHAELA. Peterson, which has been an ongoing saga for the last year, but new new stuff has happened. Um. Jordan Peterson is a Canadian evo psych dark web intellectual guys on like the faculty at

the University of Toronto. I'm not sure he don't think leave now that he's in a coma or whatever. We'll get to that. So Jordan Peterson, Um, he sucks. He sucks as an author, but he got kind of popular because along with a bunch of these other kind of you know, hyper masculine grifter men who were just like,

here's how you conquer society by becoming powerful. He's like this guy who really has like clung to this idea of the masculine is being order and the feminine is being ka like inherently chaotic, which is just like a really really rickety road to go down. Uh. And yeah, he trips over lots of stupid ideas on his way down that road. But a lot of people like just listening to somebody who's like, I know everything, here's everything. Um, because he doesn't come off as crazy. That's the thing

about him. Well, that's the intellectual dark web thing. It's like you're saying fucked up ship, but you're saying it in a suit. So he's like he sounds like a professor. Yeah, but he's like a transpobe. He is just like a misogynist. He generally just kind of sucks. He he got in big trouble, Like I remember, I first became aware of him because he was really insistently refusing to use people's correct pronouns and there was a big kind of dust up over that. That's when I first heard of him.

But yeah, he's like a contrarian. Uh and and now he is trapped in a really very strange situation. So let's a woman no less So, So last fall, I think the last time he did like a public event was last fall, he did like a town hall with Zizek Slabek in Um, Canada. After that, he had some kind of an injury that he got put on benzos for the injury. Then he got addicted to benzos, and then he was in a treatment center for the benzos that it turned out was in Russia, um and that

his daughter had taken him there. So let's talk about his daughter. Let's talk about MICHAELA. Peterson. So MICHAELA. Peterson was apparently the first of them to get on this all meat diet thing. Is that correct? Like she was the initiator of this. Yeah, I think the all meat

diet is her thing. She claims that she had been plagued by a lot of different health problems, starting in child to rheumatoid arthritis, and that her unorthodox approach to fixing those things was to only eat meat, salt, and water. I think at one point, I think there's some leeway, like people have made allusions to a vegetable here or there. But she claimed that when she started the all meat diet,

all of her problems miraculously disappeared, all of her health issues. Sure, and then she put out a book with her dad where she's wearing a bikini on the front and he's like looks much smaller than hers, like half the size, and it's like this very it looks like a shitty phone pick that was taken without him knowing and maybe like with the zoom on, so it's really blurry, and he just looks sad and he's in a towel and

he's like half her size. Um, it's pretty incredible. Some people in the comments on this thread that was done by at Rational disc Rational Disconnect on on Twitter. They were like, that's a fake cover, right, like that's a groof, But no, that's apparently the actual design. That's a real cover. And then I looked a little bit at some of her photos because people would be like, you must have scurvy from not eating any vegetables, and she'll be like,

oh yeah, check it out. My body's falling apart from scurvy, and it'll just be like a hot So this thread by rational discs Um alerted us to some new developments in the Jordan Peterson saga, which are that apparently the cold Turkey Benzo withdrawal thing that Jordan Peterson went to Russia to do was suggested by his daughter's boyfriend, who is a Russian guy that I think he's a Russian guy that she met who is a Stalinist and believes

he's been possessed by a demon also named Igor. Yeah. Important, So that guy apparently said, you know, we have to go to Russia to do this treatment that they won't do in America because it's too state of the art. Turns out that treatment was our favorite thing from Valley of the Dolls, the medically medically induced coma, which was like medically induced. Wait, the benzos didn't have anything to do with the coma. The coma was to get you off the benzos, and they put you in a coma

and then you withdraw. But you're in a coma while you withdraw, so you don't like feel the effects. Yeah. Then when he came out of the coma, there was a rumor that maybe he had some brain damage from being put into a coma. Yeah, being put into a coma at a Russian clinic that's doing a procedure that apparently they're not allowed to do in the US. I can see how you could come out of that with a little bit of brain damage. Um. So now the Peterson's are in Serbia where the Michaela is living it

up clubs. She's like, she has a new man in her life. Yeah, so Michaela had a baby with the guy possessed by Igor, but now she's dating a different guy. I think a Serbian guy who I'm not sure if it was this guy or the Russian guy that people were like, I think he's a human trafficker. Yeah, he seems like a legitimate sociopath. Um, what's his name? Andrew Tate the it's on the thread. It describes him as a misogynist, pickup artist and webcamp pimp who runs a

scam website and thinks that quote depression doesn't exist. So these are people that are all kind of like, you know, it follows logic that they all ended up in the same time. Yeah, I can see what they're sitting around talking about for sure. Who scams the scammers? Is the

question that this answers. Um So, Michaela posted that her father, Jordan Peterson, now has COVID and that she had had it before and so she probably gave it to him because that's been going out clubbing with this, but also didn't didn't she imply that her daughter got it from a playground because there were videos of Michaela like at the club with no mass, being like, there's no mass

at this club. Just how I like it. I'm not scared of COVID, and then she was like oops, but I think at one point she mentioned that she thought her daughter picked it up at a playground after being like, We've been careful, which was clearly not true. Uh, and then pass it on to Jordan's Yeah, and you know has been really making a point of like I was a little stuffed up, like here's a selfie of me when I had corona. I look fine, like this is only killing unhealthy people. Oops? Did I say that? Uh?

That kind of attitude in her post so um yeah, super super as I said before we started recording Super Team No One here. Yeah. The post that got everybody sort of like what about this is that she was like, Okay, my dad's in a Serbian hospital. He's got coronavi iris. Now nobody's seen him in a year. Also, and then she was like here I am at the club, and then just a video of her clubbing in Serbia at

a club where they're playing the Manuma song. Yeah, um, which just it's it would be like perfect if it wasn't so horrible. Here's a footnote to this story that I enjoyed for it being very bizarre, which is, um. Jordan Peterson was on a podcast, may have been Joe Rogan,

I'm not sure, but he was. He said that he had been on the all meat diet and uh that it was doing really tremendous things for him, and then he he went off the diet like he actually he had a glass of um apple cider was what he had, and he said, you know, apparently I have a sensitivity to sell fights, and that's one of the things I've learned by doing this diet. So I had a glass of apple cider and then he said it sent him into the worst panic of his life, like he was

completely like paralyzed by it. And he said he had never felt such a sense of impending doom as after he had had the cup of apple cider. And I was like, that's one of those things from a story that like, I know, no matter what I forget in my life, I will carry that with me until I die. It sounds like he probably just had a panic attack because he hadn't had apple cider in so long. I mean, I don't know. It could be like I I have a self fite allergy, um, but it doesn't show up

like that. But I could also some stuff, yeah, like migraines and things like that. But um, I also think that if you are on a very very restricted diet for an extended period of time, it will really give you like a psychological condition where it's fear of food, you know, fear of like toxins and stuff. Yeah, it seems like an all meat diet. It's like I think we talked maybe we've had a cannibalism discussion on this podcast before, but like the um, what's the organism that

can infect your brain from pons? Like I feel like there's there has to be some kind of version, like some kind of version of that that happens from just adopting carnivorous diet, Like we're not carnivores, like and couse playing as a carnivore will not make it. So a lot of this stuff too seems like also like marketing eating disorders to men. Yeah, under a different name. You know, a lot of the Joe Rogan stuff too, that's just about like maxing out your capacities for health, but it's

really like take all these supplements and don't eat real meals. Well. She also was like totally scamming on her own too, because she was promoting this diet and then like had a website where it was the website for the diet and you had to pay a membership fee for it, but apparently there wasn't anything that you were actually paying for. You were just paying to like have access to a message board where you could talk to other people who are probably melting down from only eating meat group. It

was like six dollars a year or something. It was something like that. So everybody's scamming everybody here. Yeah, So the conspiracy about this is that Jordan Peterson himself has not really been communicating except through michaela Um. All of his missives for the past year or so have come through her, and she's like, here's what my dad's up to. And for Jordan Peterson, who obviously it was a talkative

dude before people thought that seemed a little off. She released a podcast pretty recently in June that was her talking to her dad, where they are shot in a way that they're never in frame together. So there's video of him. But people are like, you can't tell when this video is from. It could really be from any time. It could be from twenty nineteen because he doesn't say anything specific to the circumstances of now. He talks about

how he got like sick. But people think maybe that she like spliced together old footage with new footage of herself to make this podcast to make it seem like her father is doing fine. But some people think that she's running kind of Somebody said it was like phantom thread with um supplements, or it's some kind of like

um like Munchausen's thing or something. Somebody in the somebody in the comments commented about how like this is just like a twenty one century Gothic novel, Like it's appointing, totally very very goth. Well, somebody also it's like either her baby daddy or her boyfriend is in charge of the Jordan Peterson Company in some way, like helping to

run the company. Now, so oh yeah, there's a conspiracy that Jordan Peterson is either dead or still in some kind of a incapacitated state from being put into a medically induced coma and then having COVID. It's pretty interesting. Do you believe it? I mean, I don't know. I think these people are all such scammers. I can't tell if anyone's telling the truth. So these people are like living on the fringes of how you should treat your body, like both in terms of like like corona and diet

and everything. Like. I just feel like I have no way of knowing whether Jordan Peterson is alive or not, because he's like he does is not dealing with a set of factors that I have any um experience with a relation to him. Um, Like it's it's so out of space. I don't know. Um. Here's another question. Do you think that Michaela actually only eats meat or do you think that she cooked up this idea to sell to people, but that that's not something she would even do.

I think that's very possible because a lot of the really strict diet people on YouTube get caught like eating like there's a you know, the vegans always get caught eating like a cheeseburger. Um, the banana diet lady who's like, all you have to eat is bananas? Is she drinking alcohol? Like? Was she seen with a drink in her hand? Looked like she was drinking alcohol at them? Like smoking cigars?

Like I I think that the whole thing, the whole marketing aspect of the all meat diet is that it allows for drinking and smoking cigars because it's like an alpha man. It's a power diet. You know, there's those carcinogens and whatnot, right, and if you become an alpha male, then like you're impervious to things that would affect regular people. According to the logic of that, you become like a

Keith Richard's of meat. Um. Speaking of all this, I want I'm curious if any of our listeners have done any super super crazy diets like this, and if you have, will you please let us know at two, four oh four or six night. It also reminds me of when people were doing the Atkins diet. Yeah, exactly, well, yeah, people got the interpretation of what was Atkins diet is so easy, like when when you're like, oh, all meat

is fine, so have as much meat as possible. Like that's not even the same, Like it's so easily uh turned into something super super unhealthy, even if the principle itself starts off being somewhat sound. Because that's the thing is, like people were like, oh, I'm on the Atkins diet, so here's my cobb salad with like a pound of bacon on it, and like for extent um, no carbs.

I also think that if you're a contrarian um like Jordan Peterson's daughter who has who takes after her father, seemingly in that way, it's a it's like a political thing to recommend that people only eat meat when that's clearly terrible for the environment and contentious and anything that they're like, oh, they're telling you this is bad for you. I'm going to tell you the truth. It's actually they

don't want you to have it because it makes you superhuman. Yeah. Yeah, And when you are hallucinating or like unable to sleep for twenty five days or whatever and triggered by a cup of apple cider, it's like, that's because you're on a new plane, and that's the way all humans will be eventually, something like that's our that's our peak performance level. I will say weirdly enough that this story does seem to demonstrate some truth to the women are are the

element of chaos theory? Well, like maybe she just spent her life like she grew up having that idea, the ideology, if not like directly fed to her, like definitely in the air. So it's sort of like if your dad has been saying the entire time, you're growing up like you are an agent of chaos. Us you got to grow up to become an agent of chaos, fulfill it. Yeah.

I mean, it's kind of amazing that this guy who like promoted himself as the you know, the intellectual alpha male, has been like outgamed by his daughter, which is very like Game of Thrones or something. It's very Shakespearean that

she's in charge, she's the alpha. Clearly, I think there's this unsettling part of this story that's just like we don't we have no idea what happened to him, And I feel like that's the way a lot of stories are right now in the news, Like this is just on a more personal level, but there's so much stuff where it's like that just went away and we have no idea where it was, Like everything happening with the with the post Office, it's like there's no longer an

expectation that will ever know what happened to Jordan Peterson, Like this could just be the end he got dissolved in something. Are you saying that they're putting the mailboxes and a medically induced coma? Essentially, yes, I think we

all know what's going on here. It's also, yeah, there's a lot of people right now where it they'll have some kind of a social media presence, or they'll tweet something every once in a while, like the Herman Kine thing this week where Herman Kane tweeted from beyond the Grave. Um that even if people are like communicating, You're like,

I don't actually have any idea. Yeah, that turned out to be his his daughter, and yeah, the next day it was like the Herman Kane Foundation and it was like this is Herman Kane's family and will be like taking over this account from now on. But they clearly did it to be like, you know, they got attention to be like boo. Yeah, well we're going to take a quick break and when we come back, we're gonna have a little boo for you because it's Halloween, you guys,

Halloween United, Spooky Time. Welcome back, Tonight Call. We are joined today by a very exciting special guest, Joan Ford. Joan Ford is a writer and performer. She has written for shows like DC superhero Girls, ThunderCats, Roar, and Yabadabad Dinosaurs. She's also half of the comedy duo Red and Yellow with Kate Raft and the host of Fall Talk, a talk show on Twitch about Fall. Welcome Joan Tonight Call, HIV. It's nice, thank you, welcome, Welcome, Happy to be here, Yeah,

and happy Fall, happy Fall. Yes, it's finally here. Yeah, it's always here. It's always with us and one another, so happy like happy Fall. Well, there was a fire that started like what like up north of l A recently, so that means it's fall now, right, Oh, fires there's an All shapes and sizes are definitely fall. It's like a toasty bonfire. Yeah, you know, like a bonfire or like a wildfire, both very both have very fall vibes, just brown, the color brown. In general, My feeling is

that there are two summers. There's summer one, which lasts until September, and then there's summer too, which should be fall. But here it is summer too. So that's the time that I start fully dissociating, uh and pretending it's fault. But this year things have been so crazy, why not just start fall now? That's what I mean. That's kind

of what I've been I've been saying. That's kind of a lot of the show that I've been uh kind of doing on Twitch called Fall Talk with Kate raft Um now um has kind of all revolved around the idea of, yeah, you know, it's it's it could at this point, it could. We could be existing in any time in any place right now. You can't really tell, So like, why not just make it the best season of the year all year round, so it's so like

it's fall right now. Why not I just have like I take a kind of um, maybe not aesthetic but more just sort of like sensual issue with the Fall the early Fall team, because I want to be with you guys, but like fall just sounds so dry to me right now. Emilie and I are the resident Fall contrarians. Like, yeah, but I you know, Kate, when we had Kate on the show a while ago, she she made me reconsider fall and hearing your excitement, I'm also like I want

to I want to love fall. Yeah, I I I understand.

I understand there are like dry, dry elements of fall, but I think they're all like so lovely, like like when you especially, like you know, I understand that it can be had to get in the fall mindset where we are, but like I don't know if if any of you are East Coasters but or ever were, but thinking back to those like, like, is there any like I can't think of anything more lovely than like, you know, walking through like like you know, a a field of

like freshly fallen like leaves like crunchy under your feet, Like that's just like the best sound and the best seiling feeling on like a like nice crisp autumn day or crisp autumn afternoon. I just think it's so heavily contextual. Like I grew up in Iowa, which has about the most classic fall you could ask for, and it was beautiful. I loved it so much. But I even even knowing that that is like a positive. It was my favorite season at the time. Also my birthdays and fall, so

I had positive feelings about fall. But I think in California, especially when it's like September in California usually the hottest season of the year, the hottest month of the year. Even knowing and remembering having that sense memory of fall in Iowa, it's still like I can't put the two together. I can't. They're like two ends that have like opposite connectors. There there are places you can go, there are things

you can do. Maybe a little harder this year, but they're definitely yes, just like you know, on a hole on a hole, it may be hard to get to like hit that fall mode in um in l A, but like, I think they're definitely like l A places you can hit up that like will really put you in that fall. Yeah, like maybe like like really getting to that hardcore fall mode like takes a little more work where we are, but I think it's worth it. Where do you think we should go to get in

fall mode? John? Okay? Well, first, like I think like the most easiest and most obvious, it's just go to

go to Target. Go to any Target they have. They always have such a like wonderful array of of fall items whatever whatever your price budget is, Like you can like anything is like small scale as like a like ten dollar T shirt with a little ghost on it that says like I'm just here for the booze to like there and the ghosts is holding like a little glass wine by the way, and or like you know, you can you can invest in like full fall decor for from for your house like so like Target so easy,

there's probably one near you for like Target is like like like start of full headquarters. Um, then you can go to what the there's them? You can do this like also you can do this twenty four like seven five days a year. Hit up the what I call the Halloween strip in Burbank. There is a strip of like just Halloween or like poor related stores in Burbank, which is like my favorite place on Earth. I like I see I honestly go to hang out there all the time. There's like a strip of like three like

halloween stores that are owned by the same company. They have it's like the Costume Store, the just like Memorabilia and decore store, and then there's also like the just like four Kids Store. Um. So like honestly like just the decor just the Halloween a core store. I think they're all called Halloween Town. Go there if you want

to get it. Like it's it's like it's like your dream of what like in a move in a like in a Halloween movie or like in the Halloween episode of Buffy when it's like we're going to like the costume store and it's like very magical and big and like they have anything you could want. That's what it

feels like. And then there's also like, um, what is it um mystic um, Oh gosh, what's I'm drawing a blank on the name of the store, Mistic Museum, Missic Museum, which is also very like witchy and Halloween e. There's a bunch of other like horror theme stores, so go to hit up the It's I think it's on Magnolia, hit Up the hit Up, the hit Up the Halloween

strip in Burbank. Yeah, Burbank is the Halloween capital year round of l A. I went to that Halloween store that you're talking about for the first time last year, and I think I went on a really hot day when I was just like I wanted to be fall But it's a hundred degrees and when you go in that door, it's like the windows are blacked out so that when you go in, it's like dark and cool, and they're playing Halloween music and there's like horror fog

and there's a whole fake little graveyard with ghosts hanging all over. It was just like the most delightful experience. You know. It's where you're gonna go in and start your like Halloween adventure. You're gonna get like a book or something. You're gonna get a book or a spell or something. It's gonna start you on your adventure to like I like, you know, savell You're gonna save Halloween. That's like where you're the start of your like save

Halloween from like the Evil Mayor adventure. Well, speaking of saving Halloween, this is my concern is that Halloween will probably be like canceled. I mean, we we can't even I don't even know if we can go to the Halloween stores. And I do love Halloween. So how are we gonna make How is COVID Halloween gonna go? How are we going to make it good? Um? Well, here's like something I think something I love about Halloween and I think, um actually makes it a very like adaptable

holiday for the circumstances we're in right now. Is that I feel that like Halloween, I feel Halloween is the most like adaptable holiday. There is no like wrong way to do Halloween. It's not like I feel like every other holiday like has these like kind of like requirements, these like requirements that are thrust upon you, whether it's like you have to be with family for like the winter holidays or Thanksgiving, or or you have to travel

or whatever. Um, I feel like Halloween can really be whatever your heart wants it to be, whether and like like your Halloween, which is like, hey, I'm gonna go, like you know, I'm gonna have like a like a cider party in my backyard. We're gonna like drink side, We're gonna drink hot cider. And just like like you know and like bond around a bond around a bonfire or like if if you want haveing like a really

like grizzly gnarly like you know, gore Field horror. Halloween going to like the universal parks like like or or not scary farm or whatever they're all that. It's like, are you adaptable? Halloween can be whatever you wanted to be, So I I trust and have faith that you know what we will as Halloweens always adaptable. Halloween can be whatever you're the Halloween your heart is. And that's and that's why Halloween is going to be like the perfect

COVID holiday. It will adapt, It will survive and thrive and will like find new like awesome Halloween traditions. Yeah. I mean I think that because Halloween is the scary holiday, but it's also escapism and the world is so scary right now that people do need that escapism more than ever, um, just to stay sane. I feel like Halloween is very adaptable and that the thing people like the most about Halloween actually is just like sitting at home and watching

horror movies, which you can really do starting now. Also costumes, but costumes like um, that you can kind of get away with more, maybe with a costume that people are only going to see on zoom. It's like, you know, you don't have to have the back part done well. I wanted to ask you, Joan, actually, because you are also an amazing cos player, um A casual cost player. Yeah. Casual yes, like not like that you do it casually, but that your outfits are often like casual interpretations. Yes,

I love the casual label. And then to this, I think this is my fashion philosophy in general, but I want to hear like how you approach it. Yeah, I have seen you do. I believe you did a Freddy

Krueger last year, like a cutie Freddy Krueger outfit. Yeah yeah, I just like I just kind of like combined like hot topic, had like a like a Freddy Krueger um like skater dress that I just like combined with like you know, I got like the gloves and I got and I found like a like a like a it's not like the exact like Freddy Fedora, but it was like a black one that a cute black one that matched the dress. So like I just put that so like I put all those things together. It was very

cute and very fun. Yeah, yes, that's that's brilliant. I love it. I was wondering if there's any cosplaying you're planning to do for this hell we oh I okay. So, I like, I do have this idea that I've had kind of had for a year that I didn't pull the sugar in last year, but I considered it this

year is UM, I have a UM. I have like a like a jumpsuit, like a navy jumpsuit women's jumpsuit that I bought from UM like H and M a year ago, and it like it's a very it looks like a very like kind of like feminized version of

like the Michael Myers like jump jumpsuit. So I was thinking about doing like almost like I mean, thinking of her as like kind of like power like business like business lady Michael Myers, where like I'm gonna have like the jumpsuit and like maybe like you know, briefcase and um and like knife exactly Michael Myers leaning in frum

the jumpsuit era like jumpsuit feminist exactly jumpson. I love that jumpsuit feminist my liars um and do but do UM as opposed to doing the mask like kind of like suggest the masks through like makeup like with probably like you know a dark um like a dark eye that kind of like fades into like a like a white like a whiter ring around them. Oh I love this, Yeah, I because I am also a year round Halloween person.

I think also in California, those of us who are into fall, it doesn't come with like the actual dread of winter that real fall comes with other places. Um, we just like to do it year round. I think the biggest I mean it also doesn't have I think the positive aspects of fall, which is actually cools down. Which is the greatest thing about fall on the East Coast or in the Midwest is that you're like, oh I don't have to like use the a C anymore

or whatever. That's a very big um. That's like a wonderful body feeling like that's like that's where the fall guy comes from. I think when we had Kate raft On last year to talk about fall um, which we now this is our new yearly tradition, is how Joan, Joan and Kate on for Fall pod, I realized, like how many of the fall people I know are from places that don't really have fall, and that how much

of it is sort of disassociating your way through fire season. Yeah, it is probably a little bit of like a like a you know, brain worms being like I'm going to like like, I'm going to make it this thing. I'm going to force it to be this thing that it's not that I like, I used to love and have very positive associations with. But you know what a reality.

Our reality is what it's what we make at. So if my reality's fall, I'm going to force it to be fall staring at a burning hillside being like so cozy. So sometimes I'll be in Griffith Park and I'll be like, oh, look all the leaves are brown because it's fall. Yes, Well, I got a tree I got like for my birthday, I think a couple of years ago. I got one of the only tree that changes color that can grow

in Los Angeles. I got like a teeny tiny one for cheap and it's a sweet gum And they have the same shape leaves as maples, and they turned the same color, so they get like the like deep red and the orange um and they drop little like pokey little seed pods that look kind of creepy a Halloween tree. I did. Oh wait, I wanted to Um, this came up because this was in the news, like Molly posted this link in our either in our chat or on

our dock. But that the Halloween, because Halloween basically isn't happening this year, that the candy is all going on sale extra early, um, which just reminds it's just like the Fourth of July thing with the fireworks all over again, except this time it's just sugar instead of explosives. But we're going to be dealing with this like glut of Halloween candy for like months before and months after the actual holiday. Um. So I feel like this is a

little more manageable than the fireworks thing. But too, it's nicer dogs as long as I guess you don't, like, you know, give your dog the candy, but but much night, much nicer for dogs. Well, I think for a lot of people, including me, much of the fun of the Halloween stuff is the anticipation. By the time it's actually like almost October thirty one, I'm off in a little bit like I've had enough. Um, But it's just fun to start like anticipating something and when they start rolling

the stuff out early. I get very excited me too, also because I feel like, um, I wouldn't I don't necessarily have this. I I don't know that I ever get sick of fall or Halloween. But what I'll say, like I feel like there is such like a sharp cut off for Halloween and like the fall and kind of like the fall holidays in general, like once holl like like once Hallidan is over, like November one, it feels like sometimes even before it's like we're hauling in

the hall the winter holiday stuff. It feels like, you know, even Thanksgiving, which should which should acsolutely be like a fall holiday, has been absorbed by like the winter holidays. Like it's just like it's just kind of like you know, it feels like like honestly the day has become yes, more of like this is like the official like this

is the official start of Christmas. It's like you have saying like like the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade is all build up to like Santa and like you know, it's like all build up to Black Friday and just like you get and like I and I feel like you know, they've like the we don't get that like like Christmas or the winter holidays gets a nice little like kind of like after the fact, like after December twenty or whatever,

you still you get a little like grace period. You're like, I can still be in the holiday mood, but it's like like the worst week of the year. I mate, Joe, I think it's like if that's I agree, I agree. And also like if we're going to, like you know, if if Christmas is gonna like start or the winter holiday, you're gonna start encroaching on like fall, then like I think it's totally within falls, right, start encroaching on summer. Yes, I think I like that everything's getting pushed back a

little bit. Um, I totally agree with Kate that um fall starts the day after July four. I agree with that, Yes, I agree. Yeah, it should just be a sharp the same way that like that, the same way that like winter holidays are like a sharp It's like a sharp cut off like Halloween then we're into the winter stuff, Like July four should be a super sharp cut off. Like we just like we we go all we go all in on fall because people get excited for summer

leading up to summer. But like after July four, nobody really likes summer that much anymore, and then it becomes August. I think it should start on August fifteen. That's my hot take, because kids will in l A. Kids are already back to school with the quotes because it's zoom, so they started, Like I think some school started this week, So I guess you could say, like the first day of their school could start it. But August fifteen, I

think sounds reasonable to me. I can't except July five quite, but I can accept July five as the date when you start anticipating August fifteen, the official start of fall. I think in general, like, I think it's healthy for Americans, especially to broaden their definition of what fall can be, in the same way you were talking about broadening our definition of what Halloween can be. Because I would like to say, I think we talked about this a bit

with Kate. I would like to see an actual map of the world where people get fall in the classic sense that has been sold to us by Big fall Um, because I think we're talking about all fall here like, but Big fall is is a real concern, and that is really defined what fall looks like and what fall should be. And I think that fall takes all you know,

all forms. Yes, falls, Fall is a mindset. Yes. Can I just ask what Halloween candy is everyone looking forward to buying this year early, starting in August when it'll melt. I'm a big okay like I am. I am like weirdly like a big fan of any like any candy that has like like characters or shapes like pressed upon it. So like I know this year, like like her Che's is doing like a line of their little minibars with like the with like d C characters like um like

pressed into them. Um. That's like just the like dumb gimmicky thing that I really get into for Halloween. And I've already liked, I've already gotten and like consumed a bag of those. I have to say, like, yeah, the I think gimmicky stuff like I've been going this past week. I've been going through just piles and piles of junk and stuff from my childhood all through college everything, and I'm realizing the thing I liked a lot and then I continually run into our um like gimmicky whatever. The

pop culture thing of the moment is Valentine's cards. I always have a ton of those. I have a bunch of like um, Herbie fully loaded Valentine's cards, Like I always pick up whatever the stupidest thing is of the year. And I feel a similar way about Halloween candy. Um yeah, like if there's like Minions Halloween candy, I would get that. Yes, I would be all over Minions Halloween candy and millions Valentines. Yeah.

I love when they put a Resa's cup into a different shape and call it something else, So I like the recent shape yeah yeah, and then I like the Reesa's ghosts. I'm I'm allergic to peanuts, so sadly I've never had a resas, but I do like and I can admire those from Afar do you have? I would imagine peanuts and traces of peanuts are in a ton

of Halloween candy. It's I just like been I've I've like dealt with it like as a kid since I was like very little, so I definitely know what to like avoid, Like they're like they will put like may have traces of peanuts on like everything, just to like

cover their ass just in case. But like now I know like which ones are like serious, like Eminem's like Eminem's I will have a very like bad reaction to even the plane ones, even the plane ones, even the plane ones like actually get like that, get that in there, um, whereas like Milky Ways and not well not Snickers stickers obviously, but Milky Ways and three Musketeers will like say that, but like they're fine. So like I know, I I know what to what to avoid and what I can

I can enjoy. So this is why you like Halloween because it's like a dangerous game. Yes, like you know every like our parents always warned us about like you know, there might be razors in those candies, which was like kind of like both like you know, a bullshit thing, but I really have I really had that like danger like and one of you, like one of these pieces of candy could be like a time bomb for me.

Oh my god, did you have to Like were you forbidden from eating anything until you got home and and then you could go through your parents could go through everything? Or uh yeah, I actually was. And actually the I found out I was, I mean I didn't find out. I was too little but my to remember this, but my parents found out I was allergic to peanuts on

a on a Halloween. I would like to go. Like when I was like one, my my my grandmother fed me a like a peanut butter Halloween cookie and like that night my parents had to like take me to the emergency around. Oh my god, I'll like pass that, oh no, onto my my mom because I can't remember. I don't remember it, but she remembers it very well. That's fully your Halloween origin story. Yeah, it's like your Harry Potter getting like struck on the forehead or whatever

by Halloween survived. I survive. I can truly say like I survived Halloween, and I'm That is the origin state for businesswoman Michael Myers. Oh my god, perfect, she knows this right now. It's just incredible. Yeah, she knows every Halloween could be her last Halloween. Like you know, that's the fun. That's the thrill of Halloween. It's it's fun, but it's a little bit dangerous and like you gotta yeah,

you've got to embrace that. And big businesswoman Michael Myers is like she's an attorney and she does like um allergy damage like damages suits and stuff like like she'll take your case if your kid has a battery action to yes, One of my favorite yarly Halloween traditions that you can do because it doesn't involve going indoors, is going to the Michael Myers House in South Pasadena, which you can just like stand in front of and take a picture. And every year there are families that go

to take pictures in front of it. And I found that really amazing when I first started seeing it, because I was like, Wow, these are cool like horror parents who let their young kids see Halloween, and then the kids also love the movie Halloween. So last year I saw there was like a dad dressed as Michael Myers with his son who was also addressed as Michael Myers, like a little Michael Myers, and anytime somebody wanted to take a photo, they would both like hold their knives

up at the same time. The dad would be like, hold your knife up, son, put your knife up for the photo. I wonder if there is going to be like kind of a bunch of innovation around Halloween activities that can be enjoyed from a car, especially in l A because there's so many there's always some many good haunts and like Halloween attractions in l A. I was kind of known for it. But if somebody, if somebody can figure out the drive through haunted house, that's incredible.

That is such a good idea. I believe that's actually already happening. Are a news article about. I don't think it's in l A. I think it's like a little more east, but like someone is doing a like um, like a drive through like zombie Apocalypse, So it's like you drive through, it's like you are, like it's I think it's like a it's a great combination of like concept and like the right aesthetic for it. It's like you're you're like trying to escape, like your zombie infestival,

and like what could be more appropriate right now? Yeah? I say, like, I know some people might think, like things are so scary, like why would we need to do things that are also you know, fake scary, But I do think it could be really cathartic to just like scream it out a little bit this year. You know what they should do. They should remake drive through car washes into drive through haunted houses. Because there's one at like Fletcher and Riverside Um just a little bit

east of Hollywood. And if they slowed it down and then instead of the SuDS. It was blood. Really, it's a good id de right, work on this. Keep the like, keep the keep the car wash ang like just make it like like a haunt like you know, call it like I don't know, like scar scar wash. It sounds like a doctor cleaning your scar. Yeah, just die the soap bread. It would still probably work as soap, and it would look like you're getting like a that like squeegee.

You could be dressed up and they could just like hit your things could go wrong. I'm saying the potential for things, you know what I mean. The brilliant thing about the drive through hunt would be that you could do like full contact or whatever. But you're in your

car so it doesn't matter. So you can have like the zombie guy get on your windshield so long as he doesn't like do damage to your car or whatever, which should be Yeah, it would be very thrilling without the whole thing of like oh God, somebody's touching me. You could even like you could like get like a sticker for your windshield at the start to be like this is the level of contact I want my car you have and you can honk phrasier safe word like Hong Kong. I think the cars like with a drive

through car wash. As I'm thinking, as I'm creating my business plan right now, I think one of the things that scares me about a drive through haunted house is like the autonomy of the driver being scared and then potentially injuring someone with the car. So I think it's really important that the cars are on that track in neutral neutral agreed. Yeah, then if you get terrified, there's nothing can go wrong. And I think that the stick.

I'm so into this, like I'm not even joking. This is finally like this happened sharks like you just I think like this is I think this is like good like you you like embraced the you embraced fall and like you came to a plate you found your fall, which I'm very happy for you. Thank you, Joan, you did it. Thank you businessman Michael Myers. Also, yeah, because I had been thinking like all they would have to, you know, to the scariest thing would just be to

like open knots Bury Farm this year. You know. Yeah, as much as I love those places and as sad as I am because I've started doing the thing where I I like do I do like the the Haunts like on and off, like I'll do a year of going to the Haunts in the year of not going And this was supposed to me my year agoing And I'm so sad that it's that it's off. But I mean, yes, they are just like that is just like you being like crammed into like a very tight hallway with like

hundreds of people. Yeah, and they already were such a probably a disease factor anyway, It's just like, yeah, doubly so not this time. Um. Well, before we wrap it up, I wanted to ask, are there any like movies that

you watch every year, any like traditions that you have? Okay, so I'll put out to that I always that I always watch because I think they like both encompass, like the both sides of kind of fall Um for the more like kind of like witchy like harvest E side of fall Um, I will always I will I will watch um Uh, practical Magic. I think Practical Magic is like pure is like pure like fall movie. I love it.

So I really love Practical Magic. Um. And then for like the like more like Halloween, but it's still like fun horror I really like. And I like I'm drawn back to it more than any of the other like Kevin Williamson like horror movies of that like late nineties and early two thousand generation, even more than Scream. I'll

always watch The Faculty. I think The Fact is also a great full fall movie, not just because it combines like you know, horrorse like you know, the horrors side of like Halloween, um Or or Fall, but it's also got like a very real like going back to school like a movie. It's a back to school movie and Halloween movie, so you like can't do better. Um, So yeah,

those are my two. You those are my two, Like I don't know if they're like my like you know, top pics, but there's there's always the ones that I come back to every fall. I watched Park last night, which I felt like was a great summer into fall transitional horror movie. I love that. So that movie feels so straight up summer to me, just all the tropicalia. Yeah, but it's the end of summer. Okay. I have one last question for Joan too. So Joan on Fall Talk, Um,

didn't you just recently have a big chill sweater bracket? Yes, we actually we changed it uh to. I still want to do the big the big chill one, but we just made it um like generic, like generic or not jenic. But we did like sweat, like the top sweaters from all of cinema, So I think I might we're going to do that, and then we'll do the Big Chill on and then those two and then like I'll have those two sweaters face off. I feel like our listeners will really will appreciate this as we do, so stay

tuned for the the Sweater Bracket. Yes, case you're wondering, what what the the what did I call? It? Was the two thousand, the two two I the Sweater sixteen Cinematic Sweater Bracket, and the winner was uh five Wiles tunic. Oh that's a great one. Yeah it may I'll be the first water you think of. But it's like it's

a good sweater. It looks very cozy totally. I watched Mrs Frisbee and the Rats of nim I guess it's called a secretive name the movie, and she has like a little cape cloak and I was like, Oh, that's where this desire to have a cloak that I've had my whole life came from. Don Bluth knew and on a Stagia two, Don Bluth like knew how to like give us like cozy fallwear. Yeah, I love Don Bluth. Well, Joan, you and Kate are premiering Fall Talk um next Saturday, Yes,

at the Austin Sketch Fest, which will be online. Yes, um and where can people find that? You can find it at uh Twitch dot TV, slash cold Town TV. That's spelled c O L D t O w ny TV. Um. And yeah, we are going up Saturday August two at eight pm Central time. Um, and it's gonna be yeah. The and and I think the whole like festival is free to watch on Twitch. There's like a very like the lineup is amazing, Jamie Loftus is there, Like there's just like a lot of very cool, wonderful people and

like we're very excited to be a part of it. Cool. Yeah. I saw Jamie's doing a girl Boss girl whom his Boss uh Quarantine special which seems excellent material. Very excited I hear. And everybody can find Joan, the Queen of Fall and her assistant Kate, who will be playing uh Pumpkin spice Latte. Yes, Yeah, that's that. You can find us at twitch dot tv slash Joan Hailey Ford uh and Fall Talk is every every second and fourth Thursday

of the month at six pm. And you guys have a comedy duo called Red and Yellow of course two of the most Fall colors. Absolutely yes, wasn't even intentional. We weren't think about it when we named it that, and it was like, oh, just of course that's where our brains went. You're like, we have to take those colors back from Eminem's Absolutely yes that boys and Dandy Well, John, thank you so much for joining us, and thank you for having me. This is a lot of fun. Yeah,

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