103: Werner Herzog’s The Real Cancun

an E. Coller. I saw this link on Reddit and could only think of this podcast. It's a video of drunk people in Miami, unbothered by coronavirus in the name of spring break, watching a herd of people rationalize the irrational through the power of alcohol as profound, one might even say cult like. Also, thank you guys for reporting on the issues at hand with the usual dose of dark silliness. This pot has been both an uplifting and

informative resource in trying times. Wishing you all safety and health. Thank you so much. Slowly again, I hope I'm pronouncing your name right. Um, yeah, definitely saw this making the rounds uh this week on the socials, Um, Miami remains undaunted in the face of coronavirus. Are we surprised? I mean, ring break is all about a immortality complex though, I mean just poisoning yourself and harming your body over and over and over again because it is help you, alright,

he heatonistic celebration Again. I blame this more on all the cities for not shutting down in time. Yeah, I think it's also a big pile of blame on STS, the travel agency that has been booking these like massive vacations. They have not canceled. I mean as of recording. I don't think that they have canceled anything, um, which is mind boggling. But then you're then you have to think about the fact that under normal conditions, this is a travel agency that's just like taking a big risk on

people getting their stomachs pumped and stuff. So maybe they're just used to that. But I was astonished that there was that video of that one guy going around where he was like, oh, if I have to go down coronavirus, Like I've been waiting for the spring break for a

long time, so I gotta do it. You're just like, Wow, it just doesn't seem like even like surely people are like at least a little bit stressed or something, right, Like, I just can't even if he decided that it wasn't going to kill you, like, why would you be in the mood for this at all? I can't. I can't. I feel like they also made the mistake of being like it doesn't affect young people in the news for a while, and then they had to walk that back.

Probably a lot of young people were like, well, it doesn't affect me so like a toilet seat. Yeah, it's been really um, quite embarrassing for for a lot of millennials and and gen Zeros. I will have to say, but well, I mean for what you were saying though about the city's like the mayor of Miami is not happy about this. He's like trying to get people to leave. And he gave a quote where he said spring break is over over. Miami Beach Mayor Dan Gelber says, we

cannot become mkitri dish for a very dangerous virus. Spring break is over. The party is over, man, Okay, yeah, Miami says the party is over. Well, I mean we have to wait until Pitbull always in the true mayor of Miami. But but that's pretty serious. Well Mr Worldwide knows that this is a worldwide pandemic. Yeah, no, Mr Worldwide is a collectivist. He gets it. I would assume, So I don't. I haven't actually heard from pit Bull. What I like listening? Please call in tonight, call and

let us know the official Pitbull stands. I'll spring break pit Bull records a special track, like an uplift, like like does his version of the horrible Galga dot like celebrity imagine video. But if he does like a party track, I'm going to weep like that to break me. It will make me so happy. I'm probably here for you know. I don't think there should be no coronavirus novelty songs. I think just the Maudlin ones are like terrible. But there's a version of fuck Corona. Uh that is the

song fuck Katrina. It's like a New Orleans Bounce song. It was called Katrina. Somebody did an update called fun Corona. I've been listening to that a lot. Makes me good. It's great. Well, just puts you put you in a good mood. You guys know, I was like obsessed with the video from Italy of the guy playing Rhythm of the Night office balcony, but that's the artist is Corona, Like oh got a doubles? There are all sorts of Corona party songs. Of the Night is a great song.

It's a fantastic cry. I've hated the song Imagine. It's in my top ten hated songs anyway, So I felt I was glad. I was like, finally everyone else's catching Now we can finally agree. This isn't Imagine. We can all hate. But yeah, handedly killed the song, I hope. So Johnny had Imagine in his head because of it and all the parodies, and he was like, well you ease, like put some other song in my head because I hate Imagine. And so I started singing Mambo number five.

I have been listening to Mambo number five because when you're in a very like heightened emotional stay, you feel really nuji. There's something it just gets you. Yeah. No. I tried to make a quiet Storm mix because I was feeling so stressed out. I was like, I have to make a mix, and I thought quiet Storm would

relax me. But then it was like too emotional and it was too late at night, so that I was like, I'm just gonna make a mix of nineties R and B songs about like sitting in your room and staying home, set up in your room, perhaps sitting up in your room just kicking it. Nothing depressing, nothing. Yeah. No, I've realized now that a lot of my music is too scary to listen to now, which is fine other times. Yeah.

I mean, anybody who's been to a nightcall nights knows that I tend to play like some spooky vibes and uh, and that's not for night call, Like that's my taste in music, and a lot of it I'm just put on for five seconds and I'm like, nope, nope, I can't listen to this right now. Um. I feel the way about movies. There's a lot of movies I don't want to watch. Specifically, what did you watch if all? As I was thinking, I was like, I'm in the

perfect mood for it follows right now. You watched Annihilation? Also, you're really leaning into it. I didn't like Annihilation that much the first time we saw it and covered it on. I know you guys really found on It's super hard, yes, but look who gets the last laugh. You know, I and I enjoyed it. My husband's first time seeing it, he enjoyed it. I mean, I don't know where you were right all along? I thank you get it up. Um, well,

speaking of Florida, U on on all accounts. Uh so, so what's the situation with the Disney properties right now? Disney World remains open, they're all closed so forced to close. Um, there was an exception in the California bill that they could stay open, but they're not doing it because they don't want people to get coronavirus at Disneyland. I believe. Um. I heart radio podcasts own Jamie Loftus went the last day before Disney cland closed forever and had had a

great time, but they shut it down. And in Disney World they did something seemingly worse, which is that because people like travel to Orlando, you know, maybe just stuck in Orlando. Um, the president of Disney World did something where they like brought everybody out for one last firework show to be like, hey, you know, we know you're not getting your Disney World trips, so here's a a little nice thank you anyway of a firework show. But it was like a billion people crowded in a plaza together.

Oh my god, such a bad idea. Yeah, I've been appreciating that so far my limited experiences outside, people have been respecting the social distancing, you know, like six ft ya. But I know that that has not been the case everywhere. I know in New York a lot people have been complaining that people just don't seem to be I think it must be a lot harder in New York because

you're in a much denser space. Uh. People wise, it definitely seems pretty easy in l A. If you are in the an area, that's not super Even if you are, it's like you can in Marriage Story. Your guys favorite it's just more space have thought of that. But they did shut down. They shut down the Chinese theater, they shut down all the big tourist attractions for real. Bourbon

Street is shut down in New Orleans. Um, And there's a really good cam network I'm sure I've talked about before called Earth Came UM that just has live cams on a bunch of basically tourist areas around the world, and I've definitely been looking at those. I posted some spooky screen grabs on my Twitter, um the other night, but just Bourbon Street is totally empty. I watched just a rat run around and be the King of Bourbon

Street and it was the best. But there's been a lot of good animal videos again, like very um very annihilation ee. Yeah. And I think I think the people who are being eco fascist about it and being like it's because the earth is like reclaiming it's it's time are not good obviously, but it's just yeah, it's not sorry, run it back right well and this will be coming before we talk about that. It's just h yeah um yeah.

I think it just shows that we obviously also need to deal with climate change and talk about that and in a way it's all one problem. Yeah. I think the thing that's driving me crazy right now is that like obviously, like this is not unrelated to climate change, Like this is something that has been predicted for a long time, the ability for these mass pandemics to to

break out because of climate change. Um. And like I went out to take the trash out today, I'm like, I'm like I am way on one end of a scale as far as like um, recycling food waste stuff like that. I'm hyper visual about it. And I try to generate as little waste as possible. So I was like bringing out my two little like Trader Joe's bags of trash and recyclables and just seeing like people piled

up like all their pizza boxes and stuff. Because everybody's just ordering delivery, I guess, and like um and ordering ship off of Amazon. It's just like, oh God, like this is sort of compounding this no, and it it feels like a reckoning because it's like we're in techno feudal is um where we have all this useless like baroque stuff. We have the weirdest things that people don't actually need, but we don't have any of the baseline

things we actually do need. Yeah, and that, But also on the flip side, I will I will just play Devil's advocate and say that I think families who have little kids, we're creating a ton of trash right now

and feel terrible about it. But it's like I don't know even where to begin with that because everything has to be delivered, and yeah, it's not and it's not on the individual, it's just this entire system that we've grown up and where it's just like, oh, you can order a cable that you need that comes in an entire box with shipping materials all over it, and that makes sense, and there's and it's cheap, so why not do it? But do you guys remember when people made

when bottled water was like a rich people thing. Yeah, I remember when bottled water used to be made fun of it. Now everybody just yeah, and now it's just how people drink water. Yeah. It definitely feels like we're being forced to walk back some of the things that everybody took for granted about how the world works. Maybe again, possibly for good, because some of those things aren't great.

Never forget that Avian is naives backwards from This is totally off topic, but I will just say that one thing that this shift has made me consider is owning chickens, which I never want a chicken. Yeah, I try. I was wanting to sell my family on it, and everyone was like, we really, like even my kids were like, we don't want more animals to take care of, like we're stretched so thin. And I was thinking, guys, I can't find any eggs, I don't have much to do.

It's time to get chickens. And I couldn't even know the kids get a chicken, I'll compare it your chicken with you, because yes, let's do that should be worried about that it would be eaten by a coyote. And then we both not if it's in a coup, not if it's in a coop. Do need to start taking suggestions now for the name of the night called chicken? Yes, our feature mascot watched a lot of this show Doomsday Preppers the other day, so you were in the mood

for that, but you know I didn't. It ended up being really funny, not on purpose, but it also had some good tips. I'm just gonna say such. Well. Also, another friend of mine, my friend Lizzie, was saying she's a researcher for films and for the last like three months she was doing research on a film about a pandemic and read everything about pandemics and then kind of like became not a prepper, but like bought a lot

of food as soon as she heard about coronavirus. And she said she was like the first person at the store doing it, and the store employees were like, why are you buying so much food? She's like, because it's coming. Well, we're all living in it now. I still can't find any toilet paper. It's fine. Um, We're going to take a quick break and when we come back, we're going to have a very special night call. For a very special nightcall, correspondent, We'll be right back. Hi. What l

like you've all at the school with anything? I've got ghost to l A. Do you believe in g I don't, even though my dad does. I don't even alien stuff, do you bi? So Emmett, it's my kid and he's here, he's going to be answering that nightcall of it came from Adeline from New York. So, Emmett, what's it like living in l A? Well, it's extremely fun. My mom does not want to go back to Connecticut and video games? Do you know any famous kids? Not at all? Not

at all? And do you believe in ghosts? You've got a maybe? Okay, we've got a maybe. We've got a maybe. Do you believe in me? Do you believe in aliens? Totally? That was awesome. We had a couple of other questions, um from readers. Let's see, okay, so we haven't wanted to get an idea of what it was like to be a kid during COVID nineteen, So we're getting we're getting the voice of the youth here. Yeah, what do you think what's it been like for the past week

since you haven't had school? Awesome? It's been awesome. Why because I get a video games all day. I get to fun home school, no crazy ore, and I get video game play dates. Yeah, video game play dates have been really clutch. Who do you play with? Is he as good as you are at Zelda? No? No, is anyone as good as you are at Zelda? No? Dad? That is really good at Zelda too. Um. From Eric, we had a question, what do you think school will

be like next year? Since everybody had so much trablically, I'll be infurred grade since it's like a whole summer stuff. Do you feel prepared for third grade right now? No? Um and everything? Yes, what do you know about coronavirus? I'm not a grown up. I don't know anything about that. All right, good, I'm doing len the affording stuff. Thank you? I were you nervous to be on this podcast? Oh much? Extremely extremely nervous. I can't tell how much money are

you getting? Okay, buddy, thank you so much. I'm gonna let emt um go, I'm gonna free him. Thank you, Emmett, and you walk yourself back. Thanks, thank you. I would have a good day. I love hearing from the single digit uh cohort. We need to get a diversity of viewpoints and right now a night call for the our extreme times right now. So thank you very much to

Emmett for that. Me too. It is really interesting to think about too, because it's like we keep placing it in terms of like, our entire adult lives have been so weird, but we had like a period of normalcy before that. If you're a kid right now, you're you're just like, that's just what it's like. Everything, it's weird all the time. Yeah, I think it's actually harder for kids like Emmett is kind of able to roll with it a bit better than my daughter because she she

doesn't she can't understand what is happening. He kind of can. And it's so far, so good. But I think when we enter week three, it's gonna not be good for anybody. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think human all humans of all ages are encountering like the limits of indoor time, but also the importance of indoor time what have you been doing to keep everybody occupied? Tests? What kind of programming have

you have you moved into this week? Um, okay, so every day both kids have were Actually my daughter has zoom meetings with preschool, which us sophisticated. I know. Um, they do circle time zoom meetings and uh, Emmett's his second grade teacher does story times. So she's reading fantastic Mr. Fox every day and we take a walk any day. Uh that it's not raining and other than that, right up television all the time. That's what I've heard. That is what I've heard from many parents is that it's

really hard. Screen time rules are off, they are off, and I mean they're really good. Like, we have a couple of different educational software things in the mix. There's Freckle con Academy and Prodigy um and so we've been trying to do some of that. And you can earn video game minutes if you do reading minutes. But it's so hard, because it's really especially if you have multiple kids.

I think you have to be so on top of it, and being managing both kids different activities from home is so hard, especially when you're just trying to like maintain your your chill level. Yeah, it's On the other hand, is it nice to like have a attack, Yes, I mean it's it's also nice to have the company. Like we're all kind of we're like hunkered down and trying

to make the best of it. But it's hard when they get cranky, and it's you know, trying to explain that we can't go anywhere, um as of yesterday, and it's I'm very supportive of that. I want everyone to stay home, and other than our walks around the block, we've been staying home. But like explaining to my daughter, you know, that we can't go on a plan trip to Lego Land or a school trip that she had been looking forward to and that kind of stuff. It's

just it's a bomber. Yeah, even if you're not a kid. This has been a weird thing. I've noticed with my brains, you know, fleeting grasps of reality with all of this.

Like there was a point last night, and it was some time after they issued the shelter in place or or for Los Angeles that you know, and again it's this thing where it's like I was fine to stay I was more or less doing shelter in place before there was an order for it, but now they've kind of made it official and and and given all these recommendations, and then kind of having that order come down, it

was just like, oh God, wait what wait, what's happening? Wait, not like suddenly I started having a freak out moment last night, even though I wasn't really fundamentally changing my behavior, but just the your brain does a lot of work to kind of screen you from thinking about the reality of it moments a moment, and sometimes that screen falls

a little bit at some point. Every night, I've had like a wave of panic wash over me where I just think, Okay, this this could really just I mean, you couldn't end up knowing all of these people who die. It's just like your you go down into the dark place, and then in the morning I wake up and I feel okay because for a minute, I don't remember what's going on. Johnny Johnny said, it's like the time loop, the time loop from Russian Doll. Yes, exactly. It's like

each day it's it's like memento. It's like each day you learn this information again and you're like, what the fund is going on? Yeah? There is though that blissful couple seconds when you're just waking up and or if you get up to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night and managed not to think about it at all, like where everything is fine. Um, yeah, it's it's or just the surrealness of it of like going outside and like it's a beautiful day and you're

walking around and like everything is normal, but also it's not. Um, it feels a little bit like an alien invasion, although Johnny also said that would be worse. Don't compare it to to that. Well, Um, I've been volunteering at this

nonprofit project, Angel Food. It's here in Los Angeles. It's a meals on wheels program, and there's a chef there who's like, you know, a full time UM employee there, And he was saying, like he was saying, this didn't even compare to the riots and as far as like unusual circumstances in Los Angeles, because at least with the riots, if you're privileged enough to not live in a certain neighborhood, it didn't affect you as much. Um, oh, for sure,

that's out. That is definitely true, And like I think that is sort of what happened with America on this is that like they could have been showing footage of what was happening in China on American television. They just weren't at all. And now that we know that, like people in the government like knew about this for a long time, and we're selling stocks because they knew it

was going to tank the business market. But like it almost feels to me put my tin hat on here, Like it does feel a little bit like the American government purposely didn't talk about it so that business could go on as long as possible and they could like sell all their stocks and buy those telemarketing stocks. I wouldn't put it beyond anybody. Yeah, I don't even know.

I think it's no, it's logical. But it's like that some of the things that it's also crazy to see things happening that we've been told that could not happen, and now they're like doing those things. Some of them are good, um, such as trying to house people, although again it's like we could have been doing this for months. We should have been preparing for this, like you prepare for a big storm or something. And like now the way that humans brains work though, and that's why I think,

like I don't know, I was really uh. I think you posted this on your feed, Molly, and I've I've gotten in and out of listening to this podcast, but I did revisit true and on UH this this week because I had heard that they're one of their most recent coronavirus episode was pretty good, and I think that they had a really good perspective there of like not necessarily like I mean, there are some people who are like the sky is so beautiful, air pollution is down,

like like coronavirus is a blessing, and no, that's very ghoulish, Like do not say that, Like that is the wrong attitude to have. But I think that like the opportunity it presents at least to like really change things up, it's some kind of it's still it's not going to happen on its own, but it's going to take work. And I think that was something that I took away from that. And I think it's like it does accelerated

in two directions. Like there is the eco fascist people who are like the earth is cleansing itself by like killing poor people. It's like the group approach to uh, well, some of the some of the eco fascists and white supremacists are like drifting off of this and have podcasts about it that are like I explained coronavirus and why it's you know good in some way. Um, and those podcasts are like number one on Apple right now. Because people are still aren't monitoring things like this in any

meaningful way. So it does feel Yeah, it just feels more insane. It was like what comes after hypernormalization. Yeah, I'm I'm glad. I think maybe I've just blocked it out by now because I did drive by the crimes Global Warming is Good Billboard a few times because it's sort of near where I live now. It's actually in between our studio and where I live now. But uh, we're not going into the studio obviously. But is that what that whole deal is? Is that what her? Her? Her?

I think it's we don't know. I mean, nobody who could say yeah. Well, people were like, you know, tagging Elon Musk on Twitter and being like, hey, why don't you because he fought to keep TUSLA factories open, and he wrote his letter to his employee saying that you were more likely to die in a car crash than

from coronavirus US. So keep coming to work. And then people were like, hey, why do you convert these into ventilator factories like they're doing in Europe And he was like, well, if we ever ran out of ventilators, I would consider that. And everyone's like read the news, yeah, newspaper, like this is the chance for all of those techno crack guys to step up to the plate and like put their money where their mouth is, and none of them are

doing it. They all yeah, it's disgusting. It's like none of them want to be have the legacy of being the person who like save the world. Yeah, which just weird considering they all have this messiah complex, but not when it actually matters, right, It's like a narcissistic messiah complex. Also like literally the good work of making masks. Oh

really guy? Yeah? Yeah, well again, it's like on the flip side, there is this thing of people with three deep printers offering to print ventilators for free and print masks for hospital workers. Like there are a lot of people fighting, but it isn't any of the people with a lot of money. It's all the little people. And that's just been the story of everything lately anyway, and now it's like but in a crisis. Yeah, yeah, it's really.

I mean I've been really my only outdoor activities have been going into volunteer in this kitchen, um, and it's

it's just like it's it's heartening. Like if you want the opposite of being on social media all day and like feeling your like your head is about to explode because you've read about another senator who like dumped their stocks after they got the briefing about coronavirus, Like, the opposite of that is being among people who are like willing to go out and help like very impacted people, um through this. And there are lots of them out there, and like if you choose to put yourself among them,

I swear it's it's very good brain vibes. Yeah. I have been out a little bit to support a group called Reclaiming Our Homes that is like inspired by Moms for Housing doing a similar action in l A, where they liberated a bunch of houses in El Serino that are owned by Caltrans. Those are the ones that have

been vacant for twenty years, vacant for twenty years. Um, they opened up a few more of them for a few more families, and then like today, they sent in all these California Highway patrolmen to guard the remaining houses to make sure that no more houses were turned into houses. It's just insane. So it's so horrible. I mean, it's also interesting because, like the it's really hard to wrap your mind around how in l A and particular. I mean, I guess in California this is going to impact on

housed communities. And so I mean, we have rain coming, which by the time you threw this in the already be raining. But it's raining, it's cold, there's a pandemic. And then there are these houses that have been vacant for decades. It's it's you bought. Anyone could try to defend them as like a useful vacant space right now, right, it's evil because it's just evil. But you can support Reclaiming Our Homes project from home, um by calling There's a number I posted on my Twitter with ill taget

I'll flag it. So yeah, support from home. You can still do things from home, even if it's just calling your council members to yell at them about getting people housed. Welcome back tonight call, we're talking about spring breaks. Theyll because it's still spring break March, and today we're talking about the most two thousand three movie ever made, the

Real Cancoon. This movie came out when reality shows were getting really popular and the movie business was thinking maybe reality shows were the future of movies as well, that all people wanted was a reality show but longer and on screen. I mean, it's just the execution. It didn't land like they thought. They conducted a nationwide search for the sixteen hottest spring Breakers in America and ended up

with these people who are also boring. That they make what might be one of the most boring movies ever made. But that, to me is what I think is interesting about it in a weird way. It's a it's in him a very tee. It's so boring. Heard so apparently loves it. Yeah, this is amazing to find out. So this was from the Globe and Mail. Uh, there's an article that we'll put in our show notes. Um Berner hurt Zog did catch one documentary he quote liked very much.

Hurt Song says over the phone with the Globe and Mail. His voice is smooth and assured. It's a bit monotonal. He speaks monotonal, which do you think, guys? Anyway, what I forget going to talk to them who made it. It was about the spring break in Congcoon, Mexico, and the sole focus of the film was who who who

would get laid first? It was so straightforward. I liked it for that is that Okay, oh yeah, somebody as somebody who has had the honor of sitting across the table from from Mr Hertzog, from her Hurtzog, I did my best. I think that. I think that really sums

it up. It's a very it's a very hurt Zog opinion to have, because it is because I think even when you start to get into like why this film is a failure, these are all like arguments that Hertzog has about documentary, like this is the like I think for our eyes now this is such a tranceparently like doctored and kind of tweaked and and and voiceover reality product um. But I feel like that's totally his vibe though, is like you know, print print the legend uh like

not the you know whatever? Wait, which do you print and which do not print? I forget print? Yeah, you put the legend. I don't really care about who, whether or not somebody was exactly saying that line in that context, that sort of thing, which is like kind of I feel like the first wave of sort of criticism around um reality TV was really about that, like, well, it's

not reality. I think we've all kind of been a nerd to that at this point, right, because the documentary is also always like structured in in ways and narratives, And that's why we all like Ross mclwee's Sherman's March. Um, we all love it. We all love it. Have you guys seen it. It's just it's supposed to be a documentary about Sherman's March to the Sea. It's like a piece of Southern history. General Sherman and then tried to sell me on this before. It's so good, you would

both love it. It's supposed to be the time to watch Sherman's. It ends up great. It ends up just being this guy going around the South and talking to all of his ex girlfriends and making a documentary just like about himself. And it's very good. But it's about how documentarily documentary is inherently personal. Nothing is objective, even the real Cancun, so do. The cast of characters is very I mean they were cast correct, Like these these

people were scouted basically, they were scouted. Some of them seemed to be a su students. Yeah, but they're from all over. So you've got the twins of course, You've

got the guy who's never had an alcohol before. Um, You've got Laura Ramsey who was then who is the only person who went on to have an acting career of these people, Um, it's a it's the casting at the beginning when they were interviewing, like I think it was the third casting call, when they were interviewing everyone that was I thought the best part of this totally like a total Christopher guest type open yeah, And I was like, oh, is this going to be like a

comic gem and then it was not. It not. It's very disappointing. That part also feels a little bit like pornography when they're like, so do you like to party? Tell us about partying, especially when they have the twins to be like, so you guys don't like to watch each other naked? And they're like gross. I was like, what are you like, we're gonna They're like, we're going to challenge that notion later in this movie as one of the tiny plot arcs. Yeah, they yeah, one of

the like they're they're barely arcs. They're like plot bumps there, pimples. Um yeah, I didn't that feel relaxing in a way right now, something so absurdly low stakes? No, because, um, well, for one, there's so much body contact in this all I was doing about body contacts and how much I miss it. Um, there's a lot of that. And then uh, it was so the twins, particularly, Um, we're so cokey that I couldn't um like I was. I felt like I caught it by osmosis, Like, I'm glad you were

bringing this up. It's such a strong reaction to the twins. The twins are horrible, Like there's something really about them. Yeah, well, I will say all twins have a connection that we non twins can never understand. It's not that it's not their connection though, it's like their vibe. It's very weird. And Joquin she like, doesn't it remind you how bad the early two thousands? Also like again, just like, don't

romanticize this. It was gross. Nobody had eyebrows. Still, Yeah, I think like you are in the other direction with the eyebrows as well. See after this, we're gonna eyebrows are going back to the land. I agree. I mean yeah, I can't even think of like now. It feels also super unheard of to do a whole plot line around like this person has stated that they don't want to drink, and so we're going to make it a gag to

peer pressure them to drink. Like that feels not like something like something that would happen in a movie, like a scripted film. Um, like an American Pie or something specifically is from Can Hardly Wait. They play the music cue from Can Hardly Wait. It's the cool nerd from Can Hardly Wait to get drunk and becomes cool and everyone likes him. Yeah, but also that guy is like the most the only real character. Oh but I would actually I would argue against that. I think he is

the most doctored character in the whole show. Right. They committed to it. They were like, if you're gonna make them these types on a spring break trip, then like, at least give us some editing that makes it seem like these people have any personalities at all. Yeah, Well, the best scenes are like with him and um who is the there's like the two black guys and there's a bigger guy who doesn't get any girls. Um what

was his name? And paul I think, yeah, yeah Jarrelle So is Darrell, and they like have this really sweet friendship where they're just sort of commiserating about like not being able to talk to girls, and in a way that doesn't feel like sad secky, like whiney MOPy, why don't like in selly, why don't girls like me? It's just like these you're just figuring out life and it's it was a nice relationship. They're in a different movie that is fun. Yeah, and that plot line too with

is the Girls Sky that he likes. Yeah, yeah, with that plot line of like the girl like t too, of the people in the house getting sort of just learning the whole time. And then he hooks up with somebody else and she's like, well, you're supposed to wait

and fight harder for me. Yeah. He's like, we're only here for four days, right, Well, she she came in with like a real wasn't she the one in the costume video at the beginning to where she had like this this whole speech about how she only wants to be with a guy where she's like wondering where he is double she started being hard to get. She doesn't like. Yeah, she was like the nice guys, those are the ones that I like, don't end up with because I'm I

like the guys. He seems like ahead of she seemed from now you know what I mean, like the most relatable person in this movie on the show, because it just well, that's the thing is like, it demonstrates why reality TV baby does work better in a TV format. There's not enough time if you build anything out on these people. I've been watching Bravo's Summer House, which is basically like this, but summer and over a long period of time, over an entire summer, but only on the weekends. Um,

and we're only recorded on weekends. No, they only go to the Summer House on the weekends. So much transportation, too much drive, They're going to just stay in the Summer House once. Why don't you just live in the

Summer House. But like when you good hits right, No, guys, you have to listen to my new podcast, Summer House Quarantine, that I've been making to stop myself from going crazy, um, because they all work in Manhattan and they that's how they can afford the share house for the summer is that they have the summer house Mont Talk oh monk okay, And the main characters in the first two seasons are twins called The Work Is Twins. They called themselves the Work Is Circus in a really forced way over and

over again. Yeah, it's not gonna have to listen to my podcast about it. But it made me also understand Emily's love of Terrace House because I think just spending weeks with people makes you develop affection for them. Where you're spending it's not a forced like you don't have to be around them all the time, so you're just having a normal life alongside people. Yeah, and more boring people. Boring people reveal layer is over a long period of time.

This is just like, none of you guys are using this opportunity that I get into terrace House that I will watch terrace House. If you watch Summer House terrace House for summer House, that's the barter in the new barter economy. I'll watch use the free Emily, I'll be your past who's bartering? Um? Yeah, I need watched. Yeah, I need to. I mean I haven't even really started the watching part of this whole experience because I only just got a couch yesterday. But I I will be

uh spending a lot of time on the couch. So's what I'll say. Though, there is a limit to the amount of screen time that any human can tolerate, and you come up against it faster than you think. You think, I'm gonna watch ten movies every day and it'll be fine. But I can watch like a movie or two every day, and then I need to like be off a screen. I want to get into puzzles. Yeah. Well, I've been doing a lot of cross words. Well, speaking of things

that are pleasantly monotonous, back to real cancoon real quick? Um. Actually, I don't think it was that pleasantly monotonous. I found it very pleasantly monotonous, and that is why I recommended it.

I like Werner Herzog enjoy well. It does feel like it does make you really um makes you aware of I think the particular like Bunn and Mury slash MTV style reality um television or media making because so much so many of the rhythms of it are still even though this was you know, five years before Jersey Shore. They well, that's what I was gonna say. That's what's funny is that this was a failure and then they

essentially did the same thing but with like more interesting people. Yeah, over a longer period of time and that Jersey Shore. But that's also like, it's not just that they found more interesting people, it's that people understood how to be on reality television more by the time the Jersey Shore

rolled around. And then even like the best I mean, the first season, it is still the best season of Jersey Jersey Shore, because they know how to be on reality television, but they don't know what they look like yet. On reality television. Yes, they become self aware. It goes downhill so fast, true, but the first season show is sort of pleasant because of that. The first season of

Jersey Shore is actually like it's great. I think that was great because its own thing that there was a weird kind of like innocence and it had kind of a genuine heart that in retrospect you're like, no, was there, Like I think at the time we were all sort of being a little skeptical about it, or maybe maybe not, but I mean it was fascinating because like half of them weren't Italian, and it's sort of ship the universality

of Guido culture. Yeah, that's a thing that anyone can decide is there is their identity, but also beyond the Guido culture thing, and beyond it being like a document

of you know, a subculture. I guess I I feel like and I can't remember if I've said this on the podcast or just to you guys off offline, but like I do feel that the more I think about Jersey Shore, that and more it feels like this sort of um multi year project to like exercise two thousands culture out of pop culture, because it was basically like showing the most exaggerated cartoonist version of all the stuff that you see in the Real Cancoon and all the

stuff that had been on seasons of Real World before that and other reality shows, and and the the the type of clubbing, the methodology of clubbing, like the music, like all of it kind of like just pumped up to eleven to like make it into like an object of mockery for a lot of people. Even though like I would agree that there's like a lot of part in that show, most of it is sort of a send up of this totally. It's like a satire, but it also it has more of there's something to believe in.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but with Jersey more you can there's texture that when I was watching the real Cancun, I think I expected that same texture of just like, oh, that person is so ridiculous, But like with time you kind of grow fond of them and you realize like that they're getting this kind of sense of who they are through this remove and canco And you're right that it's so even though it's only a few years of five years before you said five years

before Jersey short because this was two thousand four key out Jersey shows oh nine, I believe so yeah, so it's not that much time that's past. But the difference in I mean, these people I think are just so much more like not reserved, but their their personalities are flat in real which I was surprised to see. And it's also just like they made a very one oh one level mistake of just casting a bunch of like interchangeable blondes to that you literally cannot tell apart, like

I couldn't understand what's going on for so long? So I'm like, who's that? And all the like half the dudes look the same too. It's just like and I thought shows that better about that over time, like not Yeah, I just want to make out Roman from Party Down. Yes, yes, yeah, party Down. I saw somebody on social media starting a party down watch for the first Yeah, that's a good downer, but a fantastic show recommended. Um. I I think also Jersey Shore came out of the the MTV documentaries, the

MTV True Life. They had a few episodes that are true life. I'm going to the Jersey Shore, and they must have known always that those episodes were particularly good and that that was just a gold mine reality television.

So yeah, and it's and that's the difference in like, you know, whoever is producing these episodes, those episodes of true life where it's like you stumble across a scene that has legs, it has like you know, has some places you can go within it, um as opposed to just setting up this sort of um cookie cutter situation of like we're just going to throw a bunch of young hot people in a house and give them alcohol.

That's not a scene like that's just like a that's a very um, actually pretty banal situation as opposed to like this very specific place in New Jersey where a very specific kind of like party culture happens. Yeah. And I've been thinking about Jersey Shore because I've been watching Summer House, which is basically Jersey Shore but with wasps, and it's just interesting. Is like ethnography because again they're kind of boring and repressed, but then occasionally they do

you get really drunk and reveal some weird thing about themselves. Yeah, it's a subculture in its own way. Repression is a subculture. Um well, I had never watched this. I remember it being in theaters though. I feel like I had some friends who worked at the movie theater that summer didn't watched it, and then a month later it was like, okay, this is just straight because it was it lost money at the box office. Yeah. I think I watched it

on ti vo maybe like the first ti vo. Oh wait, I thought it was oh four, Wikipedia saying it was it was oh three that it came out, So it must have been about a spring break a year before tests. You're going to spring break around this time, but your experience realistic. I mean, I didn't go to Cancoon, but

it's it was totally realistic to me. Uh. The only thing that wasn't realistic was the fact that there were so many people who were who had like these kind of inner relationships, whereas in my experience it's like you and your small group and then you hang out with a couple of people and then the next night different people. Um. I feel so embarrassed every time. And honestly, this whole month has been a therapeutic delve into like how do I feel about my time doing all those spring breaks?

But yeah, I mean it it was pretty faithful. A lot of like I mean the did you go to a club like Club Cocabonga? Yeah, but I well, I actually don't remember. But I was thinking when I was

reading the Wikipedia about this about the real Cancoon. After I finished it, I was like, man, I think I booked um or no, it was it was after we were after I was reading the articles about spring break like not being canceled and people continuing to go on spring break with coronavirus, I was like, I think I booked through sts or maybe it was like s t A, but it was I was like man, these travel agencies that exclusively work in spring break, it is like it's

still the same agencies, which seemed right, It's probably in the same It's probably the same since like where the boys are, it's probably probably UM. But yeah, I don't remember. I don't remember the names of any of the places that we went to. But as I talked about in our newsletter for spring break monthum and if you want our newsletter, you should subscribe to our Patreon. But honestly, the best spring break was the shankiest spring break, which was UM in Panama City Beach, and that had a

club that was very real. Cancoon? Did you do like that? And I want to go so bad? It looked so fun. I mean, I've been the clubs in Vegas. That's the closest thing. I mean, now those clubs sound appealing because we're we've been under quarantine, and like Emily said, did you just be like a bunch of bodies smashing together? Now? My first thought is like, that's so we're responsible, and then it's like, only now in general, that's actually maybe good.

I saw one business advertising a strip club that they were going to stay open and offer dances through a glass panel and also antibacterial wrestling. Wait, that's a waste of anti Are they wrestling in antibacterial bell? Supposedly but probably not really. But it's really a funny image and a great idea because it did make me think, like, what if everyone was just doused in antibacterial it wouldare but we could just party at Club Cocoa Bongo. That's true.

Let's go back to Club Cocoa Bongo. I'm sure. I'm sure it's like thriving right now. I'm sure with disease. UM. Well, I was glad to watch l Cancoon, a very important chapter in the history of American spring break. Um. But we'll be back next week with another episode of Nightcall. Will still be churning out the Epps from home, so we expect no gap in our broadcasting, So stick with us,

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