101: Where The Calls Are

And we're also going to be taking all your street great calls and emails you've given us over the past couple of weeks and we are still taking those. So if you have us ring break story to share, give us a call at one to four oh for six night, or if your phone shy, you can give us an email at Night Call podcast at gmail dot com. We're going to start off with an email from a listener.

This email comes from listener Bowie and says, hey, night Call, long time, first time, and it's for the spring break theme. I never did a traditional spring break in college, but I did do an alternative spring break hosted by my university senior year, we went as a group to San Francisco from Texas to visit and volunteer with several activist organizations.

I found it to be very educational for me, but ultimately I didn't feel like we helped anybody, and it was just an expensive and strange venture for us in the organizations. I know some mothers of these are based around habitat for humanity, so maybe those are more materially useful. I can't help but feel it might have been better to stay in our town and volunteer there. Did any of y'all do these in college? What do you think

about volunteerism? Thanks for the podcast, Bowie. That's a good question. Voluntourism and tourism. I don't know. I mean I did. I did AmeriCorps, which is the closest thing to that that I've done. But that's a whole year. And did you feel like you were helping people? Yes, for that, but because it's a long term thing and you basically have a job for years, opposed to like dropping in air, dropping in for a week to someplace you have no

connection to or you don't know the people there. Um, I can see how that would be that would maybe have a high possibility of bungling, I guess, But it's a nice it's a nice and intention at least to use your spring break for something like that. Yeah, positive spring break is a good idea. Yeah, it was making me think about like missionary trips kind of and whether

there could be like a good version of that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think I think one thing and we can talk about this more when we get into where the boys are, because it was such a like I guess there's some of this and you see a little of this in the margins of spring breakers too, but like the idea like you're going as a representative from your college, right, Like, if you're going as a representative from your college and you're like a privilege enough person

to be at college, Like, wouldn't you want to use that to do something non destructive? Um, that feels like a more reasonable impulse to have, But uh, I don't know a reason rarely rules danism. Baby. Yeah, I took a trip when I was a kid, and it was over winter break to El Salvador with UNI stuff. Um, and that was I think, you know, I didn't do that much. That was constructive because I was like twelve, but I you know, we handed out school supplies and stuff.

But it was obviously I took away more from it than I gave to it. Um, But it is interesting. I worked with Rye Perk, which is a public interest research campaign kind of like Sierra Club UM in college over the summer, and that was I mean, it was good to get a sense of policies that I didn't know about and do outreach. But it's like, it's such

a hard age to represent a cause. Well, especially back then, I think it was, UM, But it's it's interesting to think about the ways that you could spend spring break doing good volunt tourism. Yeah, what about your mine? Well, I like this probably person also was like maybe we just should have stayed home and like gotten more involved in local politics to UM, because I think that's also a good impulse. Is like the impulse to go help somewhere else can often be sublimated until like, well, what's

even going right around me? Um. I worked at a food bank in high school. We had to do some volunteering, UM, and I you could choose where you did it, So I went to like a food bank and van Nuys that was run by nuns, um and I loved it because I loved the nuns. They were like chill nuns, which we'll get more into later. Um. But yeah, it was a just like it felt sort of like I wasn't thinking about it on like a policy point at

that time in my life. I wasn't like we shouldn't need this because like people should be able to afford to eat food because everything is bad, and like the government should take care of this. But I was like, people who need food should get food, and it, you know, makes you feel like you're doing something to like hand it out to them. Yeah, speaking of alternatives to spring break, we are not in college, but I took a break from social media for two days. Yeah, I'm about to

take another one. Well. No, it wasn't intended to be along spring break, because we all have to. I mean there's a certain element of like needing to stay engaged with social media for work. Um, so I knew that I would have to check in at some point, but I set limits on my phone and deleted some apps and stuff. Um. But well, it was amazing, and I mean it's it's going to be something where I know that I can't just disconnect entirely from it. I mean, I wish I could, but I feel like doing so.

I mean, especially with coronavirus and everything, which we'll also talk more about in a minute, but there, you know, it's when you're watching the news as I was um or just refreshing a website, you're not getting things as immediately, which which is good, but it also kind of places you apart from how everyone else is receiving news, which feels kind of isolating and probably something you have to

kind of find a balance and moderate it. It was so hard, you guys, to stay completely off social media for two days. Two days hard because I wasn't like on a trip, you know, or anything where I could be like I'm making this decision and putting myself in a different place. It was I was doing the same things that I do at night, which is like scrolling, just trying to scroll, but then you reach the bottom

and there's nowhere else. They should take an app that's just a dumb social media feed that will just give you the satisfaction of scrolling and looking at things, but it's not like cooked up to anybody about when you reach like the endpoint, of that, and you're like, what did I used to do? Oh? Well, that's I mean, that's what's amazing. And I was like, could I find the same feeling anywhere else? The same feeling? But the feeling is a bad feeling. Well, that feeling it's a

pretty hate machine, it is. Yeah, I feel like I need to do some kind of workshop to get people to like reduce her all together, eliminate social media use, because I just like I am at the point now where it's just like it feels like a chort has suggested that a straight edge movement should emerge for social media because he's been like our straight edged people, like, are they against social media? Because they should be. It's

like an addictive substance. It's bad for you. Well, I think that there's like even a more embarrassing way to look at this, which is just like I think that an affliction of like the baby boomer era, which our generation and younger like love to clown on, is just

their addiction to television. And it's because they were brought up in the era of television and television was the new shiny thing, much like social media is for us now, and like that's why you have now boomers who are completely informed by an endless feed of cable news coming into their heads. But we have the same thing. We

just don't really like. We don't think to mock it, but it is just I think it is just as bad and destructive and warping of one sense of really make a bumper sticker that says kill your computer, like the kill Your's ironic to hear you guys saying that because I think both of you are. I think of you as being very online, even though I would admit that I'm more online than both of you. I just less. I do not know what's going on at all anymore.

It's crazy, and you know what, It's fine because most of the time there's nothing I could do about it anyway. I'm only online if I don't have something to do. Whenever I have something to do and I'm like offline because I was like doing work or like going on a hike or something, I'm always like, why am I

so happy? Oh? Because I'm not on Twitter. I think making up a fake job for yourself if you don't have like a bunch of busy work that you have to do, is also like like a hike, like a hike is a job that you have to do for a while. Like all that can easily drive just anything where you can't be looking at the screen. It's the only great thing about driving right now for me is that I don't I don't check the feeds on while I'm driving. Yeah, driving can be relaxing because it's not

looking at a computer. Going on a plane and not buying the WiFi, so relaxed. I was at a coffee shop yesterday where the WiFi was out and it was amazing. I was like, well, I guess I just have to do my work, and then I just like did my work. I purposely I have to write. I will purposefully go to coffee shops that don't have WiFi because I will get so much more done. And if I need to check the feed I have to look at my phone. But then I feel like an idiot in my screen

will go black and it's like I'm not working. Is it Jonathan Franzen that has like the cable plugged in and then snipped off. It's one of the Jonathan's. I was like, I'm so purious, like this is like won't even give myself the possibility of having the Internet on my computer and I mocked it at the time, but you know what, maybe maybe that was a correct Well, we are going to take a quick break. When we come back, We're gonna do a quick coronifier or something

and more. Welcome back to Nightcall, guys. I asked this question the hallway ors. You're coming up here, But what happens if they kissed put Shella because of coronafis a lot of unprecedented things are happening, which is something you could just say all the time. Now many unused things are happening. But yeah, they just canceled Ultra fest, which is the big electronic music conference and festival. Is it indoors?

It's outdoorsai I was going to hypothesize that Coachella could go on as scheduled, but the indoor music festivals should be concerts. There are some theories that like extreme heat kills it, but again none of Yeah, I mean extreme heat also kills people. That's why they moved to Coachella to April. Yeah, uh yeah, I mean a lot of big events are getting canceled. People are pulling out of south By Southwest. It is very interesting to see what people are doing. Just like our whole economy is so

oriented around crowds. Yeah, I am getting I'm still on all these lists from south By from when I would go for work and getting these emails from different pr people like we're still going, oh I just got one

like that. Yeah, they're like, we'll still be there. It's very Yeah, it's interesting because it's like people have a lot of money sunk into these things, so like they don't want to pull out obviously, Um, that's what's going on with the Olympics now still too is like Japan wants to pull out and the IOC is like nope, it's happening. So that's been interesting to watch because yeah,

there's like so much money on the line. Then it's like, well, there's also lives on the line, and it's not worth it. And maybe as a society we're having to re evaluate how we think about people and profit generally. And this is like a very on the nose, like hey, what if there was a health epidemic suddenly that affected everybody

and nobody could escape from. On the other hand, I do feel like especially in the United States, and of course it depends on what part of the United States you're in, but like I don't know, like like Sundance happened kind of right before full on coronavirus panic was happening, and everybody I know got violently ill after going to say, well, don't people always get sick at film festivals and and

sometimes and sometimes not. This is also a terrible flu season. Yeah, it's also a double barreled flu season, is what I read, which means there's two types of other flu going around. There's there's influenza and influenza B. And the vaccine I want to say was not very effective against influenza B. I may be wrong. That's also why people who are getting sick immediately or like I'm patient zero of the

coronavirus and then they are not all. My dad got sick a while ago, like a week ago, and he was taken to the hospital and they tested him for coronavirus because he had been traveling, and he was he was negative. And then he went for a follow up appointment when he got home and he coughed in the waiting room and everyone like drew back from him and he was like, no, I'm negative. One of you who can say, also, how much did that test cost? Well, he didn't have a choice about it, and he has

really good insurance, which is wonderful. But we will see. I believe it's three thousand all. This is where I learned that, and then I saw that also other places people being like, well that's the price. But then like every other country is just like administering it for free because it's like worth it. Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's it's kind of infuriating to see how, well, what do you think people should do if we can't like go have a traditional spring break in a group of people, Like,

what's like, what's like a good indoor kids springs? Go camping? I think camping because then you're you're basically isolated in nature. There's no crowds, you can drive there, you don't have to fly, you're basically packing your own stuff, you don't

have to go into any stores. I hate camping, but other people, well, I also like when we were talking last week about the live stream raves and wuhan, yeah, I feel like doing some combination of that plus going someplace you can drive to from your from your home so you don't have to fly, and renting a cabin far away from civilization, bringing lots of water basically like

doing a mini prepper vacation. What about a quarantine crowd where it's like taking something like the Circle or love is blind but like for good, which I think is kind of what you were saying about the live streams. The quarantine live streams is like, what if it's just like everybody throws a mini rave in their own house where you just like, then they're then they're more tethered to social media. Again, that's something I feel like, what if the virus what if we don't know it, but

what if the virus is spreading through social media? Guys, what if the virtual crowds it's bleeding out of your computer and everybody just got back into second life. I'm down for that. I mean again with the like trying to think about what it's like to describe this to your past self. But it's like going everybody wants to go viral on social media, but also they're mad at

this thing that replicates itself viral e R. Well. I I also just I feel like the the impulse to go for full doomsday on this is like it feels very conservative to me. So I'm always super worried about like we can't do this and this and this and make people but buying up face masks and stuff. And I think it's mostly because of an aesthetic. It's fun to cause play the end of the world like, that's why preppers are into prepp pain. It's like fun to

do like this, make believe. I don't think they think it's fun. No, I don't think that it's I don't think they're trying to play. I think preppers really think the end of the world is coming. But there's something about the idea of that happening that is the future they want to believe in the cozy catastrophe. Sure, I'll be the last person like or like like people who watch you know, Mad Max, and they're like, I want to live in that world that's afraid is to see

those people, uh wrought upon by nature. Honestly, I thought the scariest thing in terms of the the heightened kind of panic that might be a little overblown, was the toilet paper shortage. I didn't even see that there's a toilet paper shortage in Washington State, And I mean, I don't understand. I guess it's just buying everything up, but that's stocking up. Maybe they just had less toilet paper to begin with. There's all these paper bills there. Yeah,

I know, hand sanitizer is out everywhere. I mean, I feel like this happens after every earthquake. In Los Angeles. People start stalking up after the earthquake because like people don't really think about it that much before, because nobody wants to be in a constant state of panic about

like the impending earthquake that could always happen. But whatever, there is like a little earthquake, it's like you'll go to Target, it'll be like no bottled water left, so I mean, and there is like a big, more big earthquake, like after the big one. I guess it was like yeah, people do buy out all the stuff, and it makes you be like, wow, we're really not prepared for something

like this at all. And if the chain of supply is also fucked up because it's an international crisis like this is, it just shows you how ill equipped like capitalism is to deal with its own creation. That's the lesson I feel like nobody is taking away from this is that like, oh, we're an't depending on everything from China,

which we know intellectually, and now we're feeling it materially. Um, well, this is like globalism come home to roost and being like all the things that were just like getting swept under the rug are like gonna be a problem now. And it also provides the possibility of like all the people who don't have access to the bunkers coming together because it's it's bad, y'all. It's bad, especially with this, like we've been talking about, there's just so much misinformation. Still.

Some of that misinformation is coming from supposedly legitimate news sources. Don't buy masks, don't buy surgical masks. They need them actually in hospitals to treat people who are sick, and they won't do ship for you. I would say the most controversial thing is how long do you wash your hands? For twenty seconds? That's what I hear. But here's the thing that I have a problem with. It's just that the water never comes out hot, so then you're just

like washing your hands in cold water. I think, as long as you use soap, it's okay. Really with cold water, I heard it needs to be warm and it has to dissolve the lipid layer, and I saw you have to do it for twenty seconds. Well, I think if it's cold, you should ideally maybe do it for longer. I don't know. I'm not I'm not a hand washing scientists in short hand washes during the drought. Yeah, totally. I can't wash their hands for that long. I feel

like I'm being a criminal. If there's a doctor in the house, please give us a night call and tell us how wash our hands for and how warm. We'd like to know how to scrub in. Oh. Also, just give us all your your pandemic thoughts at four if you're in the health industry. Also, I just want to know how many doctors listen to night calls, like, I don't know whether to be worried or encouraged your doctors.

I know at least one gynecologist. Oh nice. Um, Well, speaking of ailments, let's take a night call that's sort of unrelated to spring break but relates back to our discussion of animals and CBD. I call This is Dave's long time listener, first time callers from the suburbs of suburbs of Detroit. I wanted to call all kids give

a recommendation for CBD for your dog. We have a dog who's about fourteen years old and was diagnosed with cancer in the summer, and we decided to try UM giving CBD oil to the dog to help get her to have an appetite again. She wasn't eating much, she didn't want to go outside. When she would, she would just stand around. She wasn't running or playing or doing anything. UM first time we gave her CBD, she it was.

It was within minutes a complete change and she was eating, she was playing like she normally, was still you know, an old dog, but was acting much more normal. And she was diagnosed in the summer um of last year and was only given a couple of months to live. And she's still with us today and is doing prime and hasn't had any additional symptoms. And we give her CBD UH twice a day, almost every single day, and

UM swear by it at this point. So just make sure that you look UM to see that the place has their sources for how they do it and where you can look up on mind to make sure that there's nothing else in it. But other than that, it's been a lifesavor. I love the idea of dogs on CBD. I have to say, like I wish that I was a dog like that sounds like the nicest place to be. That's our spring break dream to be a dog on CBD.

This is such a sweet call. I like, I you know, I buy it, like with my limited experience to CBD and like dogs are smaller. Probably I just love anecdotal evidence about anything that helps old dogs. Yeah, It's like if someone just says, like I have an old dog, I'm like, oh, ship, I'm a mark for this, Like, tell me it's good. Please. Maybe your old dog just

likes getting a rub down and that's cool too. I don't know, though, I feel like we know so little about how animals minds were, you know that, I just want to believe it's it's kind of sad when you think that you'll never know how animals feel about being pets and like what they really want from their lives. You know, I feel like you can sort of sense

you can. You think you can, because otherwise you're going to have a real conundrum of wondering if your animals, like want to belong to a different family or want to live out in the wild. You just don't know. I always think about this with indoor cats because living in l A, I think it's a little irresponsible. Sorry to have an outdoor cat. Um depends where you live.

It definitely depends where you live. But just in the past like five years, three of our neighborhood cats we we've found have been hit by cars or can by, saying if they were on CBD, they would just chill at home. Well, I'm wondering if there's more that we can do to improve their quality enjoy being a prisoner. I'm definitely going to gift one of my cats CBD do it, but we're back. My friend Maya, who works

at a vet said it's it's real. She claims it's real and that it like helps dogs that have like cancer treatments and stuff. I'm going to give it to. My dog is very not fond of her food, and I always think that sucks. But I can't give her other food. She's old and they can't creatitus and my cat starts me owing in the middle of the night.

So one of the vets game I think I talked about this already of that gave me like a downer for her, like a kitty xanax, and I felt so guilty about giving it to her, and then when I did, it was like Phantom Thread. I was like, oh, my beautiful day. Oh you're so weak. I have to take care of you for lad on your back one. Yeah.

But then I was like, I don't want my cat to be on xan X, Like I don't want to be I personally don't have good feelings about XANAX, so like I don't want to put my cat on cat zan X. Once I had this chameleon named Billy who was a Jackson's chameleon. They have three horns and they look like little dinosaurs. And he lived a very long, long life, like longer than we expected. And then he got some kind of a bacterial infection and my dad

had to inject him with antibiotics. It was just the weirdest experience, like watching this creature who can give you no indication of their happiness other than like if they're healthy. And I guess with chameleons, they kind of they change color ableausly when they're in distress, but they don't you don't necessarily believe that you can like read how they're feeling based on that. But when he would get injected with the antibiotic, he would change colors as the antibiotic

like enter his crazy. It was really crazy. Oh my god, Wow, I know animals are so cool. Give them CBD. I related to CBD. I was a Bed Bath and Beyond um, which I feel I was having this thought. I spent like probably over an hour in Bed Bath and Beyond. Um. I feel like Bed Bathroom Beyond has like real night call vibes. It definitely does. Every quack product that exists in the world is sold at Bed Bath and Beyond. But they had on sale there and I didn't get them,

but maybe I should get them and report back. Um CBD oil infused pillows. Oh yeah. Last time I went into bed Beyond, it was a online over there and I was like, oh, they sell CBD at bed Bath and Beyond. Now, totally, there's so much CBD. Do they not sell CBD anymore? I went to the Pink Elephant, which is a liquor store, to get a lottery ticket because I'm living a wholesome, great life right now, and

I'm like, let's get into this. They had this giant display of very fancy herbal teas with CBD and recess soda. Some of them nice if they have CBD herbal tea. If I tried to peach one. It was fantastic. It had a dose of CBD like some of them have, like store on Pink Elephant, which is a liquor store on West Sponsor. Feel please do, I'm there a lot. I do feel like it's the CBD. You just you got to know what you're getting and how could you possibly know? Yeah, you don't know, you don't, But do

you ever know what you're getting at any night? No, you don't know what's in a regular pillow? What on earth isn't it feathered or synthetic? Have both synthetic pillows. I'm very skeptical about. Well, there's so many, Like it makes you worried about pillows when you go to bed back because it's like it's like there are so many options for pillows, and I was like, I thought they were just pillows. This is gonna end with all of us covering our pillows and tinfoil and sleeping in a

tinfoil bed. Um creekly pretty great. You could be a baked potato. Do you have silver infused pillow? Yeah? Yeah, ocationally, Um, maybe I will get the CBD pillow and I'll report back and I'll do I'll it'll be for work, it'll be expensive. Yeah, we're gonna take another break and then we will be back with where welcome back. We were taking your spring break night calls months and we had a night call from a listener about a spring break

gone awry. Hi, this is Spie. Um. I'm calling about spring break because in two thousand and six it was sixth grade and on the first day of springbreak, and Parence took me to see the nearly young concert movie Heart of Gold at the Beverly Center Movie Here West And when we got home, my boyfriend had left a voice now on my parents home phon nancial machine, which my mom had received a couple hours earlier, and the voicemail was a lengthy explanation of why he was breaking

up with me. That's so savage. Wait that was sixth grade though two thousand and six she was in sixth grade. Oh no, that's not That wasn't my She said she was in sixth grade. I just wanted to make sure that this is a middle school break up. I think it is sounds like a middle school break Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean the parents thing. When you told me about this before that there was somebody who broke up with somebody over a parent's phone. I was like, that's a

weird move for call. This was a sixth grade but also sixth grade, I have to say those relationships were real. Mmmmm, I don't know about all that really. I see some people had boyfriends and six yeah a long distance not to boast he lives in Canada. Really hot guy. Well, I do remember in middle school people having like two week long relationships was the longest anyone's relationship was so like the idea that you could be in a relationship

and then out of it over a spring break. I didn't even have a fake relationship, Like my fake two week relationship was in my freshman year of high school. Like that that was the first time some of us weren't as cool and popular as tests super cool and popular and six. We just have to accept that. I when I went to school in New York where I moved when I was like very little, there was a super intense, like fake dating scene going on, which is weird because one of my kids I won't identify which,

but I'm sure you can guess. Um it has already Like his class, everybody's talking about like who has a crush on whom and who's dating whom and all of that kind of stuff, But his friends at different schools don't necessarily and some of them are like the girls are like, oh yeah, he's my boyfriend, and the guy doesn't know and all of this stuff. But I think it just once it enters the discourse, it's there and

everybody's kind of playing it along. But I think it mostly it displays itself in stuff like this, where it's like this performer performative breakup, performative breakup. I remember now you're just like recalling, like there was definitely like a rumor about two sixth graders who had sex always and every school. It's like those two, yeah, somebody. But I also remember like my older, my slightly older family friend being like, wait till you get to middle school. I

see what I mean, but I mean I it. I guess I had fake relationships in like kindergarten in first grade, but those felt more substantial than like that ninth grade one, for whatever reason, because there wasn't it wasn't charged with all this awkwardness. Yet it was just like we like to hang out and drop pictures of spiders. You guys made it two weeks. I don't remember. That would have

been a big deal, you know, I mean in ninth grade. Yeah, it was probably two weeks, because when we were at that age, I had one that I think I made it like three days. Molly remembers Navy. There was a two week process though, to get to dating. And then it immediately was it was like he gave you a note. You had to like think about it. You were just flattered somebody wanted to go out with you, so you were like, I really like him, but like I should

probably do it right. Oh my god. Elena Smith wrote today that she had a motto in eighth and ninth grade that was always all skaters are hot, and even if they're not, date them anyway because their friends will be hot. And so say, that's true. Wow, that's so wise. Um um. Also, I'm not just I think New York kids, those fast living. Yeah, I think it's just someone who someone has an older sibling and so they see how it works and then they bring it in. They imported

into their pure group much like a virus. It is exactly like it's at some schools and not at others. I think you're right. Yeah, Well, Springbreak. It's clear changes. Everybody not have a heart of gold. No. Also just that detail of like going to the Beverly Center movie seeing the Neil Young movie with the movie at the Beverly Center much less than But also it sounds like your parents raised you right totally. You probably found love

again because you weren't the problem there. But yeah, I mean spring Break, even if you're not in Camcoon or Fort Lauderdale. It's uh, people really like people change change, they reassess their change. Um. This week we tried to get back into the origins of Springbreak by watching film Where the Boys Are, and it is about how people change. It's also about and well in Florida, Where the Boys Are about where the Boys Are, which happens to before

Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Um, I got all kinds of fun facts about where the Boys Are. So Where the Boys Are came out in nineteen sixty. It was a huge surprise hit, and it was so successful that it then spawned a lot of rip offs, including the Frankie and a Net Beach Party movies. Um, but also all of

these things. So it's based on a novel written by a guy from Arizona, who observed it's going to the beaches in the fifties, and it was originally a novel called Unholy Spring, and then the studio was like, can we change it to where the boys are? And he said sure. Um. In the novel, the college students are raising money to send a Fidel Castro um, but they do not have that as part of the plot line in the movie. Obviously, wait, why are they wait because

they're pro castro? But what what like in what context? Like at once they're on the beach, they're like doing fundraisers, they know. I just found this detail that was like, there's a whole plot line in the novel about how they're all pro castro. I'm just saying right now, we're putting this in the book club at some point, Yeah, no, we have to. And it's very like, maybe just think about chaos somewhere too common, um, because it's just just

like nineteen sixty is so weird. It's long fifties. Sixty Yeah, it's like before the sixties really kicking. It's that long fifties, but you can feel the sixties are coming because everybody's really horny and ready to test the limits of society. In new ways. So the Kinseye report had just come out when this movie came out, and the birth control pill got approved. On May nine sixty, the first commercially available birth control pill came out, called in Avid ten.

This movie opens with Merit, who is played by Dolores Hart, giving a speech in her health class at her cold midwestern university about how a girl should be able to have pre marital sex. But she calls it making out what she calls it making out and then playing playing before your Ma was like, what what does that mean? And then I really like I thought it was living together. That's what I thought too. I was a little confused with Then she was like, call it what you want.

They used to call it petting or bundling. Bundling, and the old teacher and dean or like you stop that with your sexual liberating. And the dean is a little bit like wink wink, nudge sympathetic. She's like, bring your grades up and we'll forget all about this. She's like, she's so smart. I can't believe that she's having academic troubles. Like I think, really, well, that's my because I'm like, she can't focus on one thing. But she's got an

i Q of a hundred and thirty eight. Maybe she must be a good studies as everyone knows, but maybe she's she doesn't have any e Q, which is why she has to go. No, she says, she's asked directly by the dean. She's like, why you're so smart? Why why are your grades just okay? And she was like, I just can't focus on that. I just don't care that much doing it. Boys are everywhere, look, even smart

girls guys. So teenagers had just been invented in the what do you mean, Yeah, yeah, that the term teenager did not exist before, like basically pre war. It was so they could market to them, and an Helen Peterson write a book about Yeah, I mean like the Andy the Andy Hardy series with Mickey Rooney, which was about basically Archie Andrews type stuff of like teenage. You know.

The idea that there was a new economic class of people that were not considered children but we're not considered adults and had capital to spend happened in the forties and fifties. So the idea that by the fifties and sixties, those people could scrap it together enough money to go on spring was new, um, but obviously coming out of like weird spring back in alias in the DNA of human beings. Um. But the concept of spring break was really invented by this novel, apparently the concept of college

spring break. Yeah. That's so interesting because like it is based on a book that was like a real like a social research into like or write. It was like it was, but it was like based on it was based on I think his own experiences of like there were people who would drive down to beach towns in the fifties on their break from college in order to

see if there were other kids from other schools. But this book publicized the idea of like a mad, mad rush of students of a million horny young people going to a beach town and taking it over. Um. And it was like, yeah, it was like the love in or something. It was. People saw it as an idea and then they were like, I want to do that. That's the thing you can do. I'm gonna do it. Yeah, and then all those towns became spring break destinations. I really enjoyed this movie. Um. I hadn't seen it, so

I was really glad to be introduced to it. Um. But we did point tests. I think you said it's a horror movie. I was quoting Molly I when she said I was like, Oh, it's true because the suspense is building and you're like, I think it's the suspense towards fun and then you're like, no, not play outs it down or ending. Yeah, well it has to. I feel like like like like morally, it's like obliged to be like, don't be a slut, that's what's Yeah, I've realized that a lot of the movies test has introduced

me to that. I really love our movies that are like a woman having fun, experimenting and then she gets like punished very badly. Sometimes that's because I grew up with Katholic formerly how to Be looking for Mr Goodbar, so that the good Bar, but that's much more depressing. Yeah, but just the first you get to see them have fun. And so it also just makes you think about how few movies there are like this still that are just like four female protagonists having fun. Well, look what they

did to Samantha and Sex in the City. It's the same thing. Yeah. So I also like, even though I've only watched probably like five episodes of Sex in the city in my entire life, I know who all of the four of the girls are. Yes, exactly would you like to explain? Um, if I can remember everybody's name. We have Merit played by Dolores Hart, So that's um, that's Carrie, right, Yeah, Mary's for sure. Yeah, she like like kind of made me want to their entire thing.

Who's who is Tuggle? Tuggle is by Paul Apprentice, is um is um Cynthie Nixon, Miranda, Miranda especially because of the dude, well thede such a Miranda Tuggle. Tuggle was all about having babies, so in that sense, she's kind of a Charlotte. She said, I'm a baby machine. And Connie France kind of a Miranda because she's so self deprecated. I think Connie Francis is Miranda. Yeah that dude when she dates an ugly guy as well. Yeah, not that

not that TV is ugly, but personality is ugly. TV and the Chaz basically both dudes type dated it likes here for the Riddler basically, I mean I was very I felt very seen by both of us. Also think TV is totally like I think TV was hot, sup. He was definitely in terms of just like objectively, well,

that's the problem. When you see him at the beginning, when he's like a hitchhiker, fast talking guy, I was like, oh, I love him, but he's wearing like a hoodie and he looks like he just walked out of like a dirt bag bar exactly. But then he turns out to just be just trouble. Yeah, he's not the most dependable guy in the world. So yeah. This movie is about four co eds from the same school in the Midwest going down together to Florida and sharing a room with

like a hundred other girls. Their number increases as the movie goes on, and then no one seems to know how they got into the motel room. Yeah, and trying to find love but also deciding whether to have casual sex. Um. This movie from nineteen sixty and it feels so weirdly modern. Yeah, it doesn't feel dated in the way that you expect it to. It doesn't feel like a Doris Day Rock

Hudson movie. It feels like from a real place of you know, just even seeing the main character sort of be like, maybe I do want to have sex before marriage still feels sort of nuts. Camille Paglia, who is a stupid dummy who's bad loves this movie. How do you really feel, Molly? She loves it for bad reasons because she's like because she's like she like invoked it in something about like date rape campus culture, where she was like, women just should assume men are trying to

rape them all the time. In this movie, he has like a straightforward handle on that it's the women's fault if they don't make sure that they don't do something stupid. See, that's not the one thing that I did find a little bit, even though it does do this thing where it punishes the sluttiest of the four of them, the Samantha. It's so sad, it's very sad, but it's like she can get by a car, Like it's not just that

she gets raped. When she does get raped, then she gets hit by a car because she's so sad, she walks into traffic. She's trying to kill herself. Oh was that? And then in the hospital she's like, yeah, yeah, I guess I didn't. Yeah I didn't. I didn't interpret that as a suicide attempt. But then afterwards she was like, Okay, scooking is exactly like spring Breakers. In many ways, it is also about sort of being like, how fun do I want to be? Or am I like the scared woos?

Who's going to like not go out to the fun party. That that character doesn't exist though, and there's no real scared woos. There are people who like have a hard time finding the right dude, like Connie. Like Connie Francis Marritt ultimately decides that she doesn't want to have sex

because she like likes him too much. Her bow is George Hamilton, who plays a guy who went to Brown and We'll not let you forget it because he introduced himself constantly is like rider who went to Brown and then he's also wearing a blazer with a brown insignia blazer to Spring He just doesn't want you to forget where there's this idea that they're all like got a bag in Ivy League guy the Yale's lived downstairs of course are the bad rapists and Brown guy is the

nice handsome Yeah, George Hamilton is so hot. What don't do it for me? I told my husband, I was like, I think George Hamilton has a nice nose, and he was like, we can just do away he's Yes, he's very handsome, like he might be the most handsome if you've seen him old, and then you see what he looked like young, You're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. But he is a real rich guy from Miami. I found out from like Palm Beach, and he was

like a serious actor. Um, and he did this movie because he was in the stable of the studio MGM. I think that made it, but he thought it was kind of stupid, and then it became like the biggest hit of his career. And then at a point in the seventies, he started playing just like rich guys in movies. He started playing sort of like a carry Grant type in seventies and eighties movies, so everyone knows him as like the comically tan rich guy in a yachting jacket.

But to see like, oh, the young comically tan but also people tanning for the first time, like some who says like I'd I'd rather go hungry than come back home with an uneven tan. Oh yeah that's um. Yeah. I love Paul Apprentice in this. She's very relatable. Paul Apprentice is in The Stepford Wives. She's such a like seventies woman and already in this Yeah. Yeah, that's why it's crazy to see her in there, because you're like you are from the future and like it'll get there,

but you're trapped in these sixties pants right now. Really great pants, really great pants. She's like the one who Yeah she's the one with the baby making quote, but she's like the second part of that is like, like I want to be a walking, talking baby making factory with the Union Labor. It's kind of my head kind of exploded after that. Yeah, she's fantastic, Like I mean, but everybody feels like pretty modern in this movie, Like I think that Dolores Hart is I mean, she's just

so I think she's like shutting. Let's talk about Dolora's Hart. Yeah. So she plays Merritt, who's the main character basically the sort of every girl who, yeah, is like very well written. The idea that she's like smart but gets bad grades and is distracted by boys, like it all feels very three to men. All these characters feel really three to mention. She was in King Creole with Elvis and she was the first girl to kiss Elvis on screen, which made me realize that the girl in cry Baby looks just

like her John Waters movie. That's like a tribute to Elvis movies. Um, because she's such like the perfect corollary for Elvis and just like a fifties and sixties percent. She was often compared to Grace Kelly, and her parents were both actors, and then she retired from acting almost immediately after this movie. She made a movie called St. Francis where she played St. Francis, a St Francis, a lady s um and then she became a nun. She dropped out to be in and she's still alive and

still a nun, I believe. Wow. Yeah, she's still alive. She's born in thirty eight, so yeah, she's good for her. Yeah, she was a child actor. Basically her parents were both really hot contract players. Her dad was apparently a Clark Gable type and her mom was also an actress, and they lived in Beverly Hills, so she apparently grew up

like around Hollywood people. And also then when her parents divorced, her grandfather was a movie projectionist, and she would like process the trauma of her parents divorced by like watching movies with him, So she had kind of had a full career. By the time she dropped out, she had

been in Hollywood like since she was a baby. Essentially, she was like an extra um in this movie Forever Amber, or her dad wasn't Forever Amber, which was another best selling sexy novel that turned into a less sexy movie Forever. Have you guys ever read Forever Amber? Oh, it's so bad,

but it's interesting. It's very nightcall. It was like a fake historical novel that was just like an orphaned poor girl sleeps her way up through the ranks of British society and eventually becomes like the Queens, the King's Mistress, the go But it was like one of those books that it's like pseudo who storical, but everybody was just reading it the dirty parts. So there are actually a few movies that Dolores Heart did after Um where the

Boys are her last film. I feel like we need to watch with a three British comedy called Come Fly with Me about air hostesses. Seen that it looks like pan Out the show but actually in the contemporary period. Yeah, we should watch that this movie had spawned more Girls Go on a Trip movie because it really had to wait until Girls Trip for there to be another one, and there's still haven't been really any since Girls Trip,

which was a big hit. It's like, even though these movies are big hits, they don't make a million of them, even though they said we have to wait for like harmony current acting, like the Sex and the City movies never happened. At the Sex happened whatever, They're not canon. No, I just want to point out that it's so cool that Vette and You was in the time Machine. Oh my god, I love the time. Do you guys like

the time of nineteen sixty? Of course? And we should also will probably cover that on a movie podcast for our Patreona. That movie also is so weird and it's hard to pinpoint why, but it's because it's nineteen sixty and in the Victorian age where you're like, this is the Victor. It's like it's about you're going to figure it out and get in the time machine. Wait, so you made Molly a really interesting um. Carmela Soprano, Oh yeah, I was just excited because Connie Francis is Libya Soprano's

favorite recording artists of all time. And then Dolores Heart was also related to Mario a Loonza, who's Liviya Soprano's other favorite recording artists. You think that's on a purpose because they're Italian. No, But I mean, do you think someone watched Where the Boys Are and just joinked it all and like plopped it into living I think that Italian Americans of Libya's generation just were like excited to see any Italian American representation. That's also why they love

Annette Funicello. Do you guys like the Beach Part any movies? It's fine, I fucking love those videos. I love them because it's like it's like this movie but even more, you know, without any sort of bitter sweetness to it. It's just like if you want to just like feel good and watch a movie that's like enjoyable to watch, kind of stupid, it's but they're good. Like I love them, I really do. And it is like that weird de

sexualized teenagers in bathing suits. It's like, look, we can show people in bathing suits for the first time ever. Everything's really horny, but no one has sex. But Where the Boys Are people do have sex, and sometimes with much sex, but too much that Mimia dropped out of Hollywood. Also in the nineties because she said that the roles were too bad. She said that the quality of roles for women was there either sex objects or vanilla pudding. I thought it was a good quote. But she's in

this movie be the black Hole. That is like a Disney sci fi movie. I've never seen that people love. That was like the movie that they made after Star Wars came out and Disney was like, we should have our Star Wars. And then fast forward forty years they just bought Star Wars. And she says that she always got cast as like a wounded sensitive person. M hm,

that makes sense. Well, she has a very delicate voice. Yeah, she has like a voice that's made for like being on the phone and crying because it's so the time machine is um. I So I watched this movie this morning with my husband UM and we were talking kind of at the end. He was like, so after Melanie Vett Mimmu's character is raped and cast to go to the hospital, and then you know, after she crosses traffic almost dies and then they're like, spring break is over.

Bring Break is over, but merit and um George George Hamilton writer stay behind in order to wait until she's out at the hospital and drive her home. And my husband was like, what do you think happens then? And I was like, oh, interesting, what does happen then? Because he was like, we have the opportunity to write and this on this podcast we often pitch our ideas. So here's mine. The guy who um did uh evet wrong in this movie? His name is Diltil. She was she

thought she was in love with Franklin. Franklin pawned her off on his evil friend Dil, also from Yale. So what if we do a sequel to where the boys are and it's George Hamilton's driving around Merritt and Melanie to find Dill and we call it killed Dil right, and they get Dil and torture him and bury him in the sand and drive away back to Massachusetts. Or I think what this movie doesn't get into the spring

Breakers does. It's like, well, the flip side of like female horny nous is like female rage uh And nobody gets to be like Regie in this movie at all. It's all just like directed back in. But Spring spring Breakers is good. It's because it's like, now you get

to torture James Franco. Well, and there's this whole there's this dynamic that is announced by the voiceover at the beginning of the film, which I like laughed out loud at because it was so like putting the onus of responsibility of for all of this stuff on the women because they're like the boys go to soak up the sun, and the girls go because it's where the boys are. It's like, yeah, nobody is looking like at girls at all. Their voiceover guy is the guy who does the haunted

mansion voice No, way that makes sense. Yeah, there should just be like a little a little mid summering of dial at the end, right as a treat we deserve it. I'm surprised there wasn't a sequel to this. No, there was a remake in the eighties, and the eighties remake has like tits and drugs, but it is does not have the rape plot line. So it feels like way less modern in a weird way than the nineteen six version. Yeah,

because it's way more just like everything works out great. Well, I can't tell which is more modern to do though, is like to be like you will get raped if you sleep around too much? And in spring Break or to just be like, no, it never happens. It's like

like I think they just think. Anytime I see a movie from that time period, like really pre Women's liberation time period, where they talk about rape at all, it feels so jarring because the rest of movies from that time or like, don't think about it, this doesn't happen. So when there's like a movie from that time period that hints at like the darkness of the actual time rather than how you think of it if you have

seen only movies, Yeah, it just feels real. Although I was going to say because I was thinking when this happened in the film, I was like, oh, it's really interesting also to have these like white, good looking like like ivy boys be predators. They weren't even Yale's. That's the twist. Didn't know, no, no, no, no, they weren't. Because that's that's the thing, Like when she's in the hospital, best like they weren't even. The worst part is they

weren't even Yale's. And then that's when Merritt breaks down crying like that's the worst part. If you got if you got raped by a yalely well, I think that's cool, but I think it still says that like people like good looking white guys who present is very privileged. You know. Oh yeah, that's still there, like they had to take you. That's crazy, the fact that it's that instead of being like and then a janitor wandered it, like a lower class person came in. It's still like hey, like these

guys are creeps. And that also just feels very like supermodern. Yeah, and like oh and we're going to get like so many more decades of this. Well also because so tuggle Paul Apprentice's character when they first meet TV, he's like hitchhiking and and it's strange and they're just like getting They asked him his shoes, eyes, and he's like thirteen,

and they're like hop on it. Yeah. And then and then Paul Apprentice won't have sex with him, so he ends up falling in love with a woman named Lola Fandango, which just made me think the Toast of London, which I already do all the time because we're sitting here with headphones on in a microphone and I keep thinking like I see, but it's so I mean the fact that you know, because he asked her if she's a

good oh my god. The actress who plays her as this actress who always plays sort of Brooklyn e Audrey from Yeah. But it's it is funny. It's that plot of like, well, like this girl isn't going to do it with you, so like find the older woman down because my life hasn't been all beer and roses. But it is also like they've only got two weeks or one week or whatever it is to to get it in. So it is sort of like the girls that are going into it being like this is going to end

in marriage are like also crazy. Yeah. Also TV's whole weird backstory where he was like, I saw a woman had like written to the paper that she was very rich and had been divorced four times. So I asked her for a bunch of money and then she sent me dollars. I used to Yeah. Well, he and the jazz musician are both beat next for some reason, which is great, um dialectic dialectic jazz, right, like they were trying to get on the wave of West Coast jazz

being popular. Anything that takes an aim at youth culture from an adult perspective, Like the ways they get things wrong are always perfect. But I do just think like spring Breakers, all the performances from the actresses in this feel sort of naturalistic in a way that just makes it feel like a semi naturalistic even though it is broad and a broad sex comedy. It's like also a

coming of age movie. And you can tell that the guy who wrote it probably thought it was like a you know, important coming of age novel when he called it an Holy Spring, and then like made peace with what it really was when it became Where the Boys Are. But you know, sixties comedies get so broad like shortly after this um and this really feels like there's just something about it that's timeless. It's great. Did you guys ever read The Group by Mary McCarthy a long long time?

That's another one we should consider doing. From the book Club that came out in sixty three, But it was about the thirties and it was Mary McCarthy talking about her friend, her and her friends from Vassar sort of being like the first class graduating class of women's libbers. So it's all about having sex and using birth control

during the thirties. UM. And it also feels really modern because it's like it starts with this girl I think it's like she gets an abortion because she, like you, just somebody writing about what it's like to get an abortion in the thirties in the early sixties still feels unfortunately relevant. But just yeah, just the idea that, like young people were always having sex, maybe they weren't always

talking about it. And then after Where the Boys Are is the beginning of like adults marketing the idea of young people having sex to sell things to adults. Um, and like just sex comedies as a genre, the greatest of all genres. I shouldn't have a sex comedy. Oh, definitely into that, but yeah, I mean, like dave it for August when we're all using our minds, like it's interesting. I think that there's a road that leads from this to Porky's totally bring Us to Kim and uh yeah,

some more movies about horny girls going on stom breaks. Yes, I also I am very interested. There's a bunch of movies. Then there are four films after this. I think that Paul Apprentice and Jim Hutton who plays TV did together, which I think is adorable. I want to say, I know they were just so popular in this movie together together, they're so cute though, like I love it. I want

to see all these movies now. So and there's a bunch of sort of movies in this universe because this was like even though there wasn't an official sequel, there's a movie called like Palm Springs Weekend. There's all these movies. There's like a ski resort one just like if I want to go to my mental spring break, this is what I will watch. Beach party movies. Well that was where the Boys are. You can check it out. It is I watched on iTunes YouTube three dollars. There you go,

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