Mussolini was trying to escape with his girlfriend. Yes, as most men are. As most, not his wife, but his children. He was trying to escape with his girlfriend. His government fell. Okay. Welcome to Nice Ashes. Join hosts Mike and Nate for cigars and culture. Let's go beyond the smoke. What are we smoking today, Nate? We are smoking a Schizo Oro. And I, before this, I take my pictures
for our Instagram. And I decided that I had to take a video of this one for the Instagram as well because I was looking at it and at first I thought it was a two -tone little logo on top with a green, like a dark green and a dark black. But then I was rotating it in the light and I noticed it kind of is like a brush stroke in
the paint. like changes it's it's like a brownish purplish red and it moves into this darker black and then you've got the real dark green uh logo which i believe is a skull and then it goes back again to the kind of the reddish maroonish whatever a very nice label color me impressed i guess Great packaging. The label is wonderful. And, of course, we have a real cigar wrapper with a closure sticker with the name and the size of the cigar and a UPC label and, yeah, barcode.
It's wonderful. We're back to real cigar land, at least for one episode for the show. Well, now I have expectations, so it's going to be ruined either way. Yeah, if they hire a graphic artist for the label, they probably hired somebody who knows what they're doing with tobacco. Unlike our last episode, the cap doesn't make me want to spit this out and stomp on it with my foot, so that's good. And this one's not a Maduro, but it is a little on the darker side. I don't
know what you would call this, a Cameroon? I would say Corojo. I can look it up for you. I suppose we can Google the show yet again. Boy, oh boy. In our fine tradition. Well, Keith wants to know. What does he want to know? What's that? It's a Habano. There you go. We have the Habano Toro. Nice. I said, Keith wants to know what type of cigar this is, what style. He's very into that. He likes that. He likes the details,
the finer details. Yes. It was fun having him on the show, and I still feel bad about making that mistake about his audio, but I think it was passable, serviceable. I made it work. So it's another apology to Keith. And then, you know, check out his podcast because he sounds really good on his podcast because he knows what he's doing. Unlike me at some junctures. But like I said, I've put a big sticker now on my audio interface to hopefully prevent things like
that happening in the future. So we should be all good. First few puffs of this mic are, you know, pretty solid. Nothing overly splendid.
Nothing overly... negative just uh kind of a nice middle of the road so far it's decent it's got a little pepper to it yeah i think that's what you meant when it's not quite a maduro but it's something like it's got some flavor to it and uh no nasty tones yes which is a plus speaking of nasty tones mike what are we talking about to this episode and what are you pairing your cigar with before we get into the nasty tones uh ice water and crown royal weirdly enough And
I am pairing mine with a Founders Mortal Bloom hazy IPA yet again. There we go. And we're going to talk about yet another conspiracy theory, kind of a theme. And I didn't know this was a conspiracy theory. I stumbled onto it a couple months ago. When you say you didn't know it was a conspiracy theory, is it because you just assumed it was true? Or is it something that was previously unbeknownst to you? This is something that was previously unbeknownst to me entirely. I was
not aware of these. Facts. Or alternate facts. Alleged facts. Even thought about it. Alleged facts. Never thought about it. Sure. So this is about the death of Mussolini. Okay. Have you ever considered that the death of Mussolini would have conspiracies about it? Well, I mean, I guess I never actively thought about it. But the death of anyone famous has conspiracy theories all the time. That is true. That is true. But this one is, I mean, it seems pretty straightforward,
to be honest with you. So we'll start with the official story. Mussolini. After the war, Mussolini was trying to escape with his girlfriend. Yes. As most men are. As most. No, cut that. Not his wife, but his children. He was trying to escape with his girlfriend. His government vessel. Escape with his girlfriend or escape from his girlfriend? Yeah, with. He was trying to escape with his girlfriend. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was on the run and he was intercepted by some Italian
partisans. Sure. As one is. As one is. As one is when they are attempting to escape from the authorities when your government is toppled. Yeah. So he was apprehended and he was jailed. Sure. The commander ordered two of his men to kill him. So they went there. The original gun was jammed. He grabbed a different gun and then he shot him at 4 .10 p .m. Like this is all documented through the partisan military structure, right? Yeah. There's two guys who... claimed to have
done it. And this is the official. Adusio and Aldo Lampretti, I believe. Okay. And these guys, they said they did it. And the one guy wrote a book about it. And there's these Adusio and Lampretti have some minor disagreements about the story, as happens when you kill somebody in cold blood. But it's generally accepted that these two guys shot him, trying to escape to
the Swiss border. And then they drug these two characters to the village and hung them upside down and the villagers whipped them in a public square. So there's a shit ton of witnesses to their corpses being mutilated, right? Yep. And then... I'm sorry, whose corpses were mutilated? Mussolini and Pachichi, his girlfriend. Mussolini, his girlfriend. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, we're left in a public square. I thought you were saying the two men that shot him were... No, no, no,
no. The two men that shot him. Disagreement then. But anyway. No, no, no. The two men that shot him were just like guys in the Italian resistance who were ordered by their commander to shoot Mussolini. Then they did. They drug him into a square. And then they buried him in an unmarked grave. And then apparently some fascists stole his body. And they recovered it. And then they hid it. And then at 57, he was put in a big mausoleum
for his family. And apparently it's like. A bunch of fascists go there every year and have a party on his birthday or some shit. Sure. But so this is where the official story ends, because even though like there has to be or has to have been hundreds of people that mutilated Mussolini's corpse after all these people are gone. Now there's, you know, conspiracy theories that rise up and it's not helped because the very first one is that there's two guys named Luigi Longo and Sandro
Pertini who are. big time guys in Italian politics. One is the president of the Communist Party and one was the president of Italy. And they both claim to have killed Mussolini after the fact, even though, to further their political gains. So this is the first conspiracy, right? The official version, two guys, we don't really know what their, we don't care what their names are. They just killed him and they put his body on display.
The first conspiracy, the former president of Italy and the former leader of the Communist Party in Italy claimed to have killed him with no evidence. Yeah. Right? And this is where we get down the rabbit hole. Sure. Do you have questions so far, Nate? Well, I mean, I guess the biggest one is probably, do we know Mussolini actually died? I thought he was living in Argentina next to Hitler. Yeah, we'll get there. Okay. We'll
get there. And then the other question I have, and that was kind of a joke question, but the other question I have is, do we know that it wasn't these two people? So I was unaware that this is a controversy. Like the president of Italy and the other guy? Like, do we know it wasn't them? Like, does somebody have an alibi for where they were at that time? Largely, yes. You know, playing canasta with me. Yes. From
what I understand, it was. Would it have been too young to have been in service at that time? Oh, no, they were fighting in the Second World War, and they wanted to boost their popularity, basically. So they lied about it. That's the thing, is the only real proof of the death of Mussolini is the word of these two guys, and one of which wrote a book. But we do know that, almost undoubtedly, the former president and the former leader of the Communist Party were
not in the area where Mussolini was killed. Because they do know that he was... Put on display, right? There's hundreds of witnesses. But we'll get into that as people age, of course. Sure. They can't speak for themselves anymore because they die, and then people will just make shit up. Yeah, co -opt their story or, you know, what have you. Okay, so a quick rehash for our listeners because not every listener would be of our age, Mike. Older than us, they might even be younger
than us. Do you want to do a quick recap of who Mussolini was? Oh, sure. Mussolini was the head of the Italian fascist party. He was the leader of Italy during World War II. He was an ally of Germany, part of the Axis powers, and he was instrumental in developing fascist ideology. He was a socialist turned fascist for purely ideological reasons. Sure. He was not anti -Semitic. There were no pogroms or death camps in fascist Italy, and he was largely a fascist based on
economic grounds. So while he wasn't necessarily the nicest, softest ruler in the world at the time, he was well -liked by his population, and he didn't believe in exterminating anybody. Oh, okay. It's kind of weird in hindsight. because Franco was a dictator of Spain, and he did not join in World War II. And it's mildly surprising that Mussolini joined either, because he didn't have a lot in common with Hitler and Germany.
The political interests of Italy were not aligned, other than the fact that he wanted to invade Greece, and he wanted to expand, and that was kind of their combination. But he wasn't like a... Like a villain. You don't hear a lot about Mussolini now because it's hard to make him the evil person that was defeated by the good guy, you know? Sure. I mean, obviously, he was disliked enough to be executed and mutilated and displayed. Well, I mean, he was a fascist dictator, right?
Yeah, yeah. He just wasn't like... Well, I mean, you know, you're saying it's hard to make him an enemy, but obviously, at the time, anyway, if you were one of his subjects or whatever, you might have hard feelings against him. But again... You could say probably similar things about a lot of our recent U .S. presidents. I'm not saying do this. I'm just saying there are a good number of people on either side, depending
on which president you're talking about. If the president were executed and displayed, I'm sure there is a large swath of the population that would go and mutilate their bodies. It doesn't matter what side. I'm not saying do that. I'm just saying people that are high profile like that. have people that love them and have people that hate them. So it's not necessarily surprising, but I get your point that he wasn't necessarily
doing bad things to his population. Right, and they just were recovering from an invasion and they lost a war. Then bad things happen to leaders that lose wars anywhere, no matter what. Good thing America's never lost one. Yeah, right. Well, they just never end. I mean, there's been some conflicts we haven't won, but not full -out wars. Well, yeah. Big, big time wars where we're going to, if we lose, we die. For sure. Well, yeah. I mean, like the Vietnam, the Vietnam wasn't
a war. That was a conflict, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. They call it the Vietnam War now, but. Well, yeah. Those good old boys definitely had a hard time getting into the VFW. So. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We're not in life and death struggles. Italy was in a life and death struggle that was existential in nature. Like there was good odds that every single Italian was going to die in that war. For sure. Total annihilation was on
the table. Yeah. So we haven't been in a war like that in the United States for probably since the Civil War. You know, even World War II for us wasn't that serious. Yeah. I mean, it started out fairly serious, I guess with the threat, you know, but you could go and win. I mean, the threat level was high, but it wasn't like existential, like the Germans are going to bomb us until there
is nobody left alive in this place. Yeah. I mean, at the time, I think it was probably existential like that because they didn't know the capacity. You know, it was an unknown. But in retrospect, we can say, yes, it was a terrible attack. But looking at it and looking at their forces and looking at everything, like there's no way, like there's no way really to launch a full out invasion or airstrike of America because it's so massive. I'm not saying there's no way. I'm sure there
are ways. I'm sure if you conscripted every, you know. fighting -aged Chinese person in the military and they chose to invade, they'd have the population to do it. But it would come at a heavy cost for every side. They could invade, but they'd have to cross the Rockies. And once they cross the Rockies, then they have to cross the plains. And now you have a whole culture that is surrounded by just guns and shooting long distances and driving across the plains.
So good luck conquering those people. And they grew up watching Red Dawn. Absolutely. There was a World War II general who developed a war plan based on that. The idea that like the Deer Hunter Army, I think is what he called them. Oh, sure. Yeah. And there still is the deer hunter army. Not like there was, but for sure. Yes. Okay. Carry on with your Mussolini stuff. We got a little sidetracked. That's okay. Do you want to do a cigar check, Mike? Sure. I'm like
a quarter of the way through. Oh, okay. I'm over a quarter, but less than a half. This is a good stick. It's decent. Yeah. Decent stick. It's getting a little harder to draw through as I go along, but not too terrible. It wouldn't surprise me because at this price point, QC isn't quite as high as a more expensive cigar. A lot of times. Yeah, the what? The quality control isn't quite there. Oh, yeah, sure. All right. Now, I have 12 total conspiracies. Oh, I'm sorry, eight.
Okay. Eight in addition to the one I've already discussed. And we're going to go over it. And, yeah, there we go. So, conspiracy number one, well, number two, is murder by the Allies. There's a theory that Mussolini's death was orchestrated by either the English or the Americans to prevent him being used as a pawn in the post -war settlement.
Okay. And according to this theory, Mussolini was executed by the partisans, same as that, but instead of being ordered by the local captain slash commander, it was ordered by the U .S. government. And their evidence is that Mussolini was... under the control of the partisan groups, and those partisan groups had very strong connections to the Allies. Sure. But there's no evidence, so. Conspiracy theory three was Mussolini committed suicide. A la Hillary Clinton -style suicide,
or? Basically, the theory is that Mussolini committed suicide before capture, and that partisans claimed they killed him for political reasons, which Mussolini killed himself for political reasons as well, which, yeah, maybe. Well, I mean, if he killed himself for fear of being captured, By, you know, I'd say the good guys. Did the good guys, in fact, not kill him? I mean, you know. Right, exactly. You could make that philosophical
question. Like, if he killed himself because he was fearing capture by, you know, the United States and Britain and France and whatever, then that fear directly led to him dying. So you could make the claim, you know. Anyway, interesting. Exactly. Carry on. Yes. And by the way, the evidence is scant for that. He didn't show signs of... A short range shooting like you would have if you shot yourself. Let's put it that way. Yeah, I mean, most people that kill themselves these
days is what, double tap back of the head? Yeah, I think it's two shotgun blasts to the face after you hang yourself on a farm in rural Arkansas. Yeah, or in a jail cell where all the cameras suddenly turn off. And anyway. All the cameras suddenly turn off and the guards disappear into the ether. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, conspiracy theory number four, Mussolini was murdered by
his own people. This suggests that Mussolini was executed by high -ranking Italians who were disillusioned, and this possibly was members of the fascist party or possibly his generals. But he was killed by Italians, wasn't he? Yeah, he was. He was killed by Italians, but not his own. Sure. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so it's not like that far -fetched, but... No, it's not. It's not far -fetched at all. Yeah. And it's based on the fact that Mussolini isolated himself
in the last months of the war. Okay. And they think that this may have been not due to security reasons, but due to inner fights amongst his inner circle, potentially. And there's not really any evidence for it, but it's, you know, rational. Yeah. All right. Conspiracy number five. Mussolini's death was faked. which you mentioned before. Yeah. Some people believe that Mussolini's death was staged, and it was a secret plan to escape
the Allied army. According to this theory, Mussolini smuggled himself out of Italy to Spain or South America, where he lived in hiding for many years. Yes. And of course, there's been sightings of Mussolini after 1945. Of course there have been. But of course, him and his girlfriend were displayed publicly after their death. They have their corpses, and you could do genetic testing if you really
wanted to. Yeah, that would be interesting. And is there, and I don't, I'm not into, like, there's a whole style of photography for this, and I'm not a fan of it personally because I don't like seeing this kind of stuff. But is there any photographic evidence of their bodies displayed? Like, I feel like some war photographer somewhere has to have pictures. I mean. They documented a lot when they took over Europe. So I would, they almost has to be, right? Sure. It almost has to be.
And certainly, they say they have Mussolini's body. So you really could test his corpse. For sure. And they have his girlfriend's body. And you could, you know, test her. Yeah, the girlfriend, I don't know. It depends because this DNA testing stuff, you have to have DNA to compare it again. So you'd have to have a Mussolini living relative or something. You'd have to have a girlfriend's living relative or something. Well, they certainly, almost certainly, they have relatives alive today.
I'm not saying they don't. I'm just, you know, like they'd have to consent to it and all this
stuff. It's likely not. I know we're doing a whole episode on conspiracy theories, but I don't know that it's like a big enough thing for people to actually go through the process of getting all the waivers and the... stuff to exhume a body and test the body and test the living descendants and compare you know i don't know there has to be some whole like super nerd group that did a go fund me or something to get all the all the money and stuff oh yeah quite possibly and
i know like uh i wasn't even aware of this until a couple months ago at all apparently it's big time in italy but oh well yeah they're not sense yeah we it doesn't it didn't spread to the states i guess right well yeah i mean when you think about world war ii you don't really ever think about mussolini you know you think about russia flopping sides you think about i don't know the german guy i guess um right a little bit about japan there's a lot of the stuff there is kind
of glossed over nowadays because of political reasons well yeah it's uh you know what happened the response is a little controversial and uh right you know i mean but you don't you don't ever really think of and there's a lot of other countries involved you know it wasn't really like america going to save the day there was a lot of other countries involved that did equally great things and there's a lot of other countries like germany that did equally terrible things
and you just you kind of Get the condensed version unless you're a huge, like, history buff, right? So the need to do a Mussolini conspiracy theory DNA test is less than doing, like, a Hitler survival DNA test or something. Like, that would happen before anything else would happen. For sure. Well, there's American money behind one and not the other, right? People are so ill -educated that it's like the Ukrainian soldier that fought against Russia during World War II going to the
fucking Parliament of Canada, right? They're so ill -educated, they think that's going to fly and nobody will notice that he was on the bad team, so to speak. Like demonstrably, demonstrably the bad team. Yeah. And by and large, most people don't care these days, which is sad. I mean, people don't do the research anymore. No. Yeah. Russia bad. Well. Not in 1943. Yeah, but 1941 was a different story. Well, yeah, 1941 and 1946, two totally different years. I still love the
Family Guy movie they put out. Stewie and Brian were doing a tour of Europe and they were on like a double -decker bus in Germany. And they were like, yep. And then, you know, after this, they jumped from like 1930 to 1960 or 1980 or something. And Brian's like, hey, wait, what happened in like 1940s? And he's like, nothing. The entire country was on vacation. The German tour guide. So, you know, I mean, there's things
you want to forget, I guess, for sure. But I think it's important to understand where you've come from or things that have happened because what is it? Like those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it or something. Something like that. Although from what I've seen is even if you study history, it just still repeats. So I don't know. Don't know if studying prevents
anything. It's kind of like Smokey the Bear telling me only I can prevent forest fires, but I've never started one, but several have started. So I guess I'm slacking somewhere, right? Yeah. It doesn't repeat, but it rhymes. That's for sure. Yeah. And things that rhyme are more likely to be believed as true. I've heard studies on that. Oh, there we go. What rhymes with Mussolini? Alive South America. Oh, boy. So we're going to move on to number six. We got four left, I
think. All right. Let's see here. Mussolini was killed by a secret fascist resistance. So this theory is that a covert group that felt Mussolini had betrayed Italy by allying with Nazi Germany and failing to protect Italian interests assassinated him. And this has... Not clear evidence, let's put it that way. Yeah. But the theory is that a well -placed fascist informant would have killed
him. And a lot of these conspiracy theories are politically convenient for political parties that existed in Italy after World War II, right? Yeah. It's pretty convenient for the political party that the president belongs to if the president personally shot Mussolini. That's a huge feather in that guy's cap. Yeah, exactly. Like, it's pretty cool that the Communist Party leader killed Mussolini. Their names have never been released. It was me. Yeah, exactly. They are lying. I killed
Mussolini. Yes. No, I am Spartacus. I am Spartacus.
So another conspiracy theory, and this is along the same lines, that Mussolini was killed by communist partisans in an attempt to... you know damage fascism as a political movement and there were communist partisans in the group that captured mussolini however it's unclear that there was any sort of directive from the communist party and it's really not that crazy so yeah well and i highly doubt that the commanding officer when he's like i need two people to shoot mussolini
that he would say, I need to be able to shoot Mussolini, but they need to be communists. I feel like it was one of those instances where it's just like, I'm going to pick two people that are near me or whose names I can remember and have them do it. And it's not really like it's got to get done. We've got to do it right now before he gets away or anything else happens or whatever, you know, and let's make it happen and be done with it. And not really like a thought
out thing. And it could potentially be that both of the people that shot Mussolini were communists. Who knows? It's possible. But I don't think it was by design. I don't think it was by design. If that were true. Right. Well, and like I say, this is related, but apparently there's 12 people who were all partisans at that time. So active combatants who claimed to kill Mussolini. And like some of them very clearly had political motivations. Others wrote books about it. Right.
Like, so certainly Mussolini was shot by somebody. Yeah. And I guess like the counterpoint of that is if there's 12 people that claim to have shot Mussolini. I don't know if that includes the president or whatever, the other guy. It does. It does. Yeah. 10 people plus them. Okay. 10 people plus them. But maybe that was by design too. Like they want to protect the people who did it. Right. And say, hey, you guys claim that you did it. I mean, it could be like a counter.
Right. In real politic. Yeah. In real politic, if you were to commit an act like that, you would have a whole group to claim to do it. And you'd have people part of that group that weren't even fucking there. Yeah. Like on purpose. You'd have like. You'd purposely muddy the waters is what you would do. Yeah. You would purposely muddy
the water to cover. it up so your whole sub group even though jim bob was clearly at the bar like the entire time you know he's gonna claim it too or whatever so there we go okay eighth theory let's see here Mussolini was killed in a double cross by his captors. Some people claim that the partisans who captured him had no intention to execute him and made a deal with Mussolini so that he wouldn't be executed. And then they basically executed him anyway. That'd be hard
to prove or disprove. It's, yeah, it's... A theory based on speculation without evidence. Like, the idea is that he willingly turned himself in, was not captured, and then was executed anyway. Which has happened in the past, but then again, there's no way to prove or disprove that. So, it's nonsense. Like, it's just a variant of the exact story that is the official story. Yeah. More or less. So this is spicy. This last one. This is the last one that we're going to cover.
And I like this. Did a trans athlete run him down? Very close. Okay. Let's do this. Buckle up. Yeah. Mussolini was assassinated by a Nazi. Plot. Okay. This was executed by the Germans, who wished to eliminate them after Hitler decided Mussolini wasn't a very nice guy anymore. Sure. Says the guy who told his commanding officers to poison their fucking children in the bunker. Okay, Mussolini's not a nice guy. Carry on. Yes,
yes. The theory goes that despite the fact that Italy had fallen to the Allies, that Hitler was... hyper -paranoid about Mussolini coming to Germany and overthrowing him in Germany, and that he ordered him assassinated by a Nazi secret agent. Sure. I mean, that's the most believable of all these conspiracy theories so far, outside of the official story. Right, right, right, right. Well, that's great. It'd be a great movie. Well, yeah, I mean, and Hitler did literally turn on
almost every single one of his allies. He did. Oh, he did. Big time. Then the evidence for this is that Mussolini had never had a great relationship with the big man, and it declined rapidly as the years advanced. It's apparently known that there were a lot of Nazi, high -ranking Nazi officials who attempted to save Mussolini and get him out of Italy before it fell. Okay. It's just based on the fact that Mussolini and Hitler apparently did not like each other at all, which
is not surprising. It's not surprising. You said at the top of the episode they didn't have that much in common to begin with. No, no. Mussolini was like an author and he was a politician, like a real politician. Well, I mean, Hitler was an author too. Well. People talk about his book more than they talk about Mussolini's books. That's true. I quote Mussolini a lot about fascism, but he's like the guy who developed fascism into a political ideology. Sure. You know, like he's
got like real. If he wasn't the dictator of Italy, he would still be famous as a political scholar. Yeah, as a college professor somewhere in California. Exactly. Yeah, he would have been a college professor somewhere. Yeah, exactly. Like he could have been at the Chicago School of Economics in the 60s. Oh, yeah. He would have loved it there. Right. He would have loved it there. They would
have loved his political ideologies. And he was all about combining the state with corporate efficiency and all this rhetoric we still hear. It's just not called that anymore. Who else loves combining government with corporate? I don't know. Feels like it rings a bell, but I'd be damned if I can remember the name of Musk. Keats. Bezos. Reagan. Literally any politician. Biden. Oh, God. Bill Clinton. So glad capitalism won
on that front. Yeah, exactly. Well, I've heard that democracy won the battle and fascism won the war. Yeah. Probably true. Probably true. Probably true. But if you read Mussolini's writings, it's not crazy. Like I say, he was entirely against all the genocide business. That's where they soured mostly. And also the expansionist military policy to the extent that the Germans went to. That's wild. And that's it. It's been a rough episode. I still have like... A third of my cigar
left probably. All right. I'm down to about an inch, but you know, I was just puffing away while you were sorting out your wifi and router and 4k streaming and all that stuff. Yes. The 4k streaming and, uh. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's nice you subscribe to my OnlyFans, but you can have it like downplay to like 1080 or 720 when we're recording. You don't have to watch all that stuff in 4k when we're recording. You
know, I mean. Well, you know. I record it in 4k so people can see all the juicy details, but. Just in case. Just not during the show. Not during the show. I mean, yeah, wait till after. Or, you know, petition your local internet provider to give you fiber. Right. Yeah, that's never happening. Mussolini, if you're still alive out there and listening to our podcast, we'd love to have you on. You can tell us about who actually killed you. There we go. Dr. Fauci. I mean. Could
have been him. I mean, you know, where was he on that day? Dr. Fauci, much like an Italian partisan. Yeah, yeah. He might have been in Wuhan. He might have been wherever Mussolini was. Tough to say. Tough to say. Anyway, those were some interesting conspiracy theories that I had never really heard of because they don't really teach anything about Mussolini, you know, except that he was the leader of Italy at the time. But they don't really teach much beyond that or anything
about his demise in modern schooling. So I didn't know anything about that either, Mike. It was very interesting. No, no. And I also, my education did not cover Mussolini a whole lot. And I went to college to go for a history degree. So what did I learn? Nothing, obviously. Nothing important. I see you rated this one a 3. We forgot to do the rating for the last one, the Edition Especial, which we both gave a .5 because it was god -awful. It's the worst thing I've ever had. It looks
like we both gave this Schizotoro a 3. It was nothing overly special, but it was enjoyable. Their little label was fantastic. I took another picture of it, so that'll be on the Instagram. Yeah, the label was great. The cigar was fine. It's getting a little sour towards the end, but... Yeah, it got a little sour. You got to slow down at the end, for sure. But yeah, it was pleasant. A little peppery. I would put it bin quality.
Yeah. More or less. Yeah. This is one I would not be opposed to doing a tequila cigar of, trying it out. No. No, I think that this would be good as a tequila cigar. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it had good flavor to begin with. It's not, it wasn't bland at all. Like some of the other bin cigars we've smoked have been fairly bland, but they haven't been offensive. And this one had some flavor and some, you know, character. Not overly so, but enough that. This one is not a bad cigar.
This one's perfectly fine. You know, if other cigars that were better weren't as cheap as they were, this could be a contender for, you know, something to kind of fill your humidor with or not fill, but, you know, have some on hand for, you know, guests or other people that might want to try a cigar. This one's not offensive. It's not overly strong. It's not overly anything. But it's decent, so it's not a bad stick to have or maybe have in your repertoire or in your humidor.
Oh, yeah, this would be fine grilling, playing cards. Yeah, golf or whatever the fuck. fishing, whatever you're doing. Anyway, the Schizo Toro is a lot better than the, well, whatever the fuck the last one we smoked was. And give it a try. I'm excited. We have a, coming up even, we have a Schizo Maduro. So, and we've always said, and Mike said this more than I have, and I've just kind of claimed it as my own, but you know, the Maduro is kind of like the dark roast
coffee where you can't really mess it up. Like it's very difficult to mess up. So if the Schizo Toro toro which is what do you say habano yes the maduro should be even better i would imagine i would imagine it should be plus a plused up version of this it should be better it's either that or it'll be a complete lack of effort because it's of maduro Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we'll see if they gave the same care to the Maduro as they
gave to the label on this one. And I don't remember, I was digging through and I grabbed the Maduro first out of the humidor, but then I was like, no, this isn't the right one. So I'm curious to see what the Maduro artwork is like, but stay tuned because that's coming up in July, I believe. And if you did shoot Mussolini. Get your book published now, because everybody else who actually could have done it is probably dead. So burgeoning
markets there. Almost certainly, unless you were a small child who ever killed Mussolini, even if they were 18 at the time, almost certainly they are no longer alive now. It would make them 100 years old. Which is not out of the realm of possibility, but... No, it's not. I mean, my grandfather died in the early aughts, mid aughts actually. And he fought in World War II and he was 16 when it broke out. So yeah, like get your numbers together. And he was like 80
when he died. Yes. Put together a good story and hopefully sell some books. well historical fiction is also a genre of books so you could you could certainly do that oh and then you could throw some romance elements into it i mean obviously i was surprised one of the uh Oh, sorry, Mike. Oh, go ahead. I was surprised one of the conspiracies wasn't that his girlfriend killed him or like his wife ordered a hit on him or something, right? Like, you're going to run away with her? Like,
I'm going to order a hit on you. Or the girlfriend's like, I'm going to kill you so that I can escape. Like, I'm the one that killed Mussolini. You guys can take credit. Just send me somewhere else, right? Oh, right. Well, that's like the conspiracy theory that Ghislaine is not actually in jail, which maybe not. Well, who knows? It's hard to say. Yeah. I mean, is locked up in the basin of Trump's Mar -a -Lago estate jail? I
don't know. I mean, I don't know what the basin there is like, but I mean, I guess it's fucking nicer in my place. It's probably as nice as some of those underground bunkers we talked about last episode. Yeah. I would have to imagine lots of gold. Private pool, private movie theater, you know, massage anytime you want it. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. A massage in hell. heavy quotes a massage yeah isn't it strange that epstein recruited girls from mar -a -lago to work for him isn't that strange i have no idea what that means luckily i just eat whatever the news media spoon feeds me i also that's why we have heavy heavy sarcasm i i just listened to uh cnn fox msnbc and just glory in yep in the accuracy and if you want to talk like minecraft we can we can talk that but uh you know real world stuff like i don't
mean anything yeah there is no paris fashion show for 1789 Yes, indeed. Well, thanks for listening. Grab them by the pussy. Check out our Instagram, Facebook, webpage. Leave us a like, a review, and thanks for listening. Be safe. Have fun. Jeffrey Epstein worked for Israel.