Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Nate. And I'm Mike. What are we smoking today, Nate? Boy, oh boy. I wish I knew, Mike. I wish I knew. This is a Rico Burrato, and it's a torpedo, and it looks like a somewhat lighter wrapper. It is. I, of course, forgot to look it up because we always ask these questions. But I will look it up here, internet the show. Yeah, sometimes they'll say on the little sticker, is this the Rico Burrato Connecticut torpedo?
Yeah, I believe it is. Okay, that looks to be what it is. I was going to look it up because it is, in fact, the Rico Burrato Connecticut torpedo. Yes. That you can get for $3.64. Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice. All right. What are you pairing your cigar with today? I am pairing my cigar with a Ven Brewing Northodox. It is a New England IPA with Citra, Simcoe, and Mosaic hops, I guess. What about you? I am pairing mine with a Berserk Squirrel,
which is by Big Axe Brewing in Niswa. Oh, nice. They apparently won an award for it. So there you go. Always good to know if it's award winning, that is, you know. Right. Right. That's why I bought it. Yeah. Marketing, man. All right. Should we fire these up? Absolutely. I mean, that's why we're here, right? I'm getting very strong acetone. Very strong.
Are you? It is not pleasant at all to me. Yeah. The very first puff was kind of the standard, nutty Connecticut initial flavors, but the, I don't know, the couple puffs after that does leave a very not pleasant taste on the tongue. Also, I want to say that normally the end is like, even though it's got the tobacco there and you light right there, usually it's like flat,
and mine had like one or two, I don't know, beyond the cut as it were. So it kind of looked, it doesn't, I'm sure it doesn't affect anything, but it, you know, I guess we try to talk about some of these like quality things and quality control things, if it's splitting or doing anything else goofy. So some of the, the filling, I guess, was either not cut all the way or some of it was kind of falling out a bit. So I'm not going to lie. It's not looking good so far.
Well, it's been a while since I lit a cigar and I'm like, I don't know about that. Yeah. Well, you know what? There's been plenty of other cigars we've smoked where the first, I don't know, inch or so maybe half inch to an inch has been less than the desirable, but then it kind of comes into its own. So here's hoping. Yeah, we're going to give it a chance. Yeah. Is this its own brand? Is it owned by somebody else? Ah, it's far as I know, they are kind of their own brand. Okay.
They make cheap cigars and all that. The problem with that is that it's probably not. Probably not what it is American Viking cigars economy brand. So it is owned by American Viking cigars. Oh, okay. And we'll see what they all own. So cigars daily, the Filky Viking. So they have a whole series of cigars, most of which I have never smoked. Okay. Some of them have looked pretty good. You know, I'd smoke some of these. They have a really interesting looking barber pole
that I wouldn't mind smoking, but I'm always down to smoke a barber pole. Yeah. Yeah. I just look at the package at a truck stop. No, I'm just kidding. Not that. So Nate, I think it's my topic today. It's your topic, right? Yeah. What is your topic? Should I tell you? Well, I told Nate it's a meme and it is. So yeah, does it involve McDonald's? It does not. I heard he gave someone a seventh chicken nugget in the six piece chicken nugget. Well, you know, you can't trust those
felon reform work programs. Yeah. Yeah. No, we're going to talk about today is trans maxing. All right. Have you heard of trans maxing? I've heard of it. Honestly, there's so many new words these days, right? That I might just get a refresher on what exactly it is. But I learned one today called skabity. Yeah. Skabity toilet. Is it skabity or skibity? I don't know. I think it's skibity. I just wanted to be funny. So trans maxing is the practice of adopting aspects of transgender
identity explicitly for personal gain. This can be done with or without hormones, medical diagnosis, or legal changes. And the benefits that the individual perceives depends on the person. Okay. Yeah. So is this like when you sent me that video of the weightlifter who claimed to be female and went in and broke the women's world record and then kind of like walked out just to not to get the medal, but just to kind of prove how silly it is. If he was trying to get
the medal legitimately, that's what trans maxing would be. Okay, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll talk about specific examples when we get there, obviously. But yeah, I would say that like the person that he was protesting against has been accused of trans maxing. I didn't think he was protesting against anybody. I thought it was just because this one weightlifting championship let you come and compete as anybody and they didn't do any sort of tests or they didn't have any
regulations on how long the person had or hadn't been on hormones or whatever. You know, a lot of times that was the reason, but there was a specific person that caused the controversy. And now I can't remember their name. Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So trans maxing, and we've talked about this concept on the show, trans maxing started off as a meme on the internet. It was big on 4chan back in the day and on Tumblr and there's a big Reddit forum or Reddit thread for it. And this
was a joke during the early days of the internet. I'm sure you recall the jokes about that, you know, how somebody was going to write down that they were some minority person on a job application. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So trans maxing was originally a 4chan joke. And then they joke that now because our society has moved to a place where we don't question gender reassignment
that people are actually doing in real life, which should surprise no one. Yeah. That is not surprising jokes becoming reality a la idiocracy, unfortunately is becoming more and more common. Right. I saw a good video. I don't know if you saw this video, Mike, it was a traffic stop in California and the police officer asked the driver of the vehicle if they had a valid license, as a police officer often does. And the driver of the vehicle said they didn't have a driver's
license because they identified as a cat. And so the police officer said, well, does your boyfriend in the car, cause they're two, what appeared to be and looks can be deceiving and yada yada, appeared to be two men in the car. And so the officer asked, well, does your boyfriend have a license? Does he have your license? And then the cat got upset and was like, I don't, I don't like the language you're using, the gendered language. And the police officer was like,
I'm not trying to offend anybody. And then the, the other one was like, no, we're not, we're not a couple. He's a cat and I'm his owner. And, and so then the police officer said, okay, you can either show me your identification or I'm going to call the pound and have them collect your cat and you will need to pay a $70 feed to collect your cat from the, from the shelter, but it'll only be released after getting its vaccinations and probably spayed or neutered,
your choice. And, and they were like, wait, $70 is too much to afford. He's like, well, then give me your license so I can write you a ticket and be on my way. Yeah. The world is Looney Tunes. I did not see that video. But the surprisingly the police officer, I thought handled it pretty, pretty decently because he was not upset at them. And he was like, well, okay, if you identify as a cat, a cat's not supposed to be driving a car. So that's endangering the cat.
So I have to call the shelter to put the cat in the shelter and then you'll have to go pay the fee to get the cat out of the shelter, but they'll have to make sure it's up to date on its immunizations and that it's spayed and neutered or, you know, whichever. And, uh, just kind of using logic to defuse the situation, I suppose. Right. Oh, that's great. So the first person we're going to talk about that's identified self-identified as a trans maxer is Josh Cedar. Have you heard of Josh
Cedar? Nope. All right. So he apparently was a contestant on a game show called the bachelorette. I've heard of the bachelorette. Okay. I have as well. And that's the only reason why I looked it up. He came out this week, the week of recording that he was fake being trans for the last half a year. Okay. And, uh, the media was fake outraged, of course, and there's multiple articles,
mainstream articles. And I read one by the New York post. And there's a few others from a few months ago saying how brave he, how brave she was and attacking online people for calling him a faker, you know, and he came out as a faker, right? But he came out as a faker now. Yeah. These articles are now three, four months ago. Yeah. He came up this week as a faker. And, uh, of course the internet forums were always questioning his story. And now there's, of course
there's backlash because it's, he was stealing trans identity or something like that. But so like, what did he gain from it? He is a conservative and he wanted to do a political stunt against the wacky left. Okay. Those are, those are his words, not mine, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Did him, did him, I mean, cause everybody knew he was conservative. Everybody knew. I don't think so.
He was like a tattooed muscle guy on a game show, right? Like a dating show. Okay. Sure. So, but I mean, so being on the Bachelorette is likely going to make you popular, popular enough in certain segments of the country, right? Or the demographics not popular with me, but I know there's a certain demographic that watches that show. So you're going to have kind of the internet fame anyway. So it really, maybe I guess he got some more followers because of that, but I think
it was more to know more as a stunt. It's like, I look how silly everybody is, but this instance isn't the meat and potatoes of trans maxing, but it's what it's one of the more recent ones, I guess, right? It's one of the more recent ones. And it kind of triggered me to get back into the topic because I wrote this down like a year and a half ago. Oh, okay. Yeah. We have a vastly different internet search histories. I feel Mike, yeah, probably, probably.
So now here's a real deal trans maxer, and this is an Ecuadorian journalist named Renee Salineras Ramos. Have you heard of this person? I have not. So Mr. Ramos is a 47 year old Ecuadorian journalist who legally changed her gender to female in 2022. Okay. She is not undergoing any hormone therapy, has no desire to, and has one purpose for changing her gender. Can you guess what it is? And has done what for changing her gender? Oh, has undergone no surgery or any
psychiatric evaluation and has one reason for changing the gender. Why do you think Ramos is changing her gender? And a journalist. And a journalist. Yep. 47 year old, formerly male, journalist. Who is in Ecuador? In Ecuador, yeah. And does it have anything to do with, okay, first guess is does it have anything to do with like better benefits? Or number two, they're the first ones off the ship, right? When the ship goes down.
Well, as it happens to be, Renee is in a child custody battle and women usually get custody of their children. And Renee Ramos would like split custody of their children with their ex-wife. Okay. Yeah. Well, so how is... Go ahead. But I don't... Okay. So this one doesn't seem to be like nefarious reasons really. Transmaxing, pretending to be trans to get your own gain, I guess that fits the bill, but it's not like it's a prank against the woke laughter. They're a
sports athlete. So if they identify as female, then maybe they can still win. It's taking... And so even Ecuador, here in America, women generally get the custody too. So I don't know that I have an issue with this one. I don't have an issue with it at all. It's kind of hilarious. So the stats are that... I don't know, the stats... And this isn't the point of the episode, but the stats for having an active father in a child's life show that that's beneficial.
Absolutely. So I feel like the custody of kids thing is one of those laws... I don't know if it's a law, but one of those court preferences that needs to be updated to modern times, because I think it's silly to say, well, the kids should be with the mom. I agree. I think everybody... Everybody agrees, but a lot of people agree with that. Yeah. I mean, it depends on, of course, the dad and the mom, right? But you can have deadbeat dads and abusive dads, and you can have
deadbeat moms and abusive moms. So... I agree. So... And of course, Renee, just as a closer, has received multiple threats and has very significant backlash for their actions. Yeah. Well, they're also in Ecuador. Right. I mean, it's like the Olympic athlete that everybody thought was trans. Yeah. Yeah. I can remember her name now. Yeah. But they were from a restrictive country that would not take favorably to that. So... No. So now there's another case, and this
individual's name is Sammy. And BBC4 did a mini documentary on Sammy. Sammy was a very thin, balding gay man who transitioned to being a woman, not because she or he was confused, but because the HRT would allow him to regrow some of his hair and get dates with men more easily. Okay. Sammy also said that he had cheaper... She had cheaper car insurance and that getting promoted at her job was easier. Yeah. All those things are valid, I suppose. Yeah. And that's... This is like
the... We're going to use this to jump into an article, but... Okay. This is like the stereotypical transmaxer, the real life transmaxer, because... So Sammy's not necessarily getting any surgeries. They just wanted the HRT to regrow hair. They wanted the HRT to regrow hair and to be able to present as a woman to get dates with men. Oh, okay. Because as a thin, balding gay man, he wasn't getting any dates. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So... And people are apparently very upset
with Sammy because... Well, why aren't they upset about the car insurance rates? Right? Why aren't they mad that DEI policies means that Sammy is happy that he's a woman now? Yeah. Well, I mean, let's just take it at the car insurance level. Why are men having to pay more in car insurance if everything's equal? Right. And statistically, women are worse drivers. We talked about this on the show too, but the crashes men have are
generally at higher speeds than the accidents women have. So even though women have more of the accidents, they're at lower speed and less loss of life and limb, I guess. But still, those statistics are fine, but we start bringing in other statistics and everybody's upset. Well, only 50% of the facts matter. Okay. That's like your opinion, man. I will not take this aggression. All right. Transmaxing, we need to get off the dude for a minute. Yep. Yes, we do.
So as you can imagine, it's really hard to find people who have admitted to transmaxing. Yeah. But the Daily Caller felt it was okay to write an article about transmaxers and they sourced anonymous incels who apparently are transitioning to get dates with women. And this was repeated by the National Review. And you can read the article for yourself if you really want to. But it's a very strange claim that supposed straight incel men are
transitioning to women to get date with straight women. It's very bizarre. How does that even, how is that even supposed to work? I have no idea. I could understand if they were transitioning to women to get dates with lesbian women, but how is a woman, are they going to get a date with a straight woman? It's the National Review and the Daily Caller. I think that's the answer.
I don't think they actually interviewed anybody. I think they wanted to play into the culture war when there's like a handful of people who have admitted to doing it and it's really hard to find them. And even some of them don't self admit even when they do. And they admitted they did it. And then they sat there and thought about it and they were like, actually, I haven't gotten any dates with straight women as a woman. I don't know why I thought this would work. What have I done? Right.
Yeah. I don't think lesbians want to go on dates with trans women for the most part. Yeah. But they're saying they want to go on dates with straight women. So, well, right. They just want to go on dates with women, I suppose. Yeah. I mean, you're going to be a trans woman trying to date a straight woman. So not only do you have to find a straight woman, but you have to then try and flip her to be a lesbian or something as if this was some kind of intergalactic game of
pawns and spice and my tune, my Arrakis, my lesbian space witches. No, that's Star Wars. I'm sorry. Right. It's crazy. I think that the Daily Caller interviewed some 4Chaners. Yeah. It was a prank competition. Mike. Yeah. Speaking about transitioning, where are you at in your cigar? I'm glad you asked because I am about halfway. Me too. Me too. I don't know that it's gotten any better. It hasn't gotten better, but my taste
buds are starting to die off. So it doesn't bother me as much. So it hasn't gotten worse, but it has not gotten better. No, it's terrible. I haven't even been drinking out of the beer because I don't want to make the beer taste bad. Oh, I've been drinking the beer quite heavily because it tastes bad. Not the beer, the cigar. Oh, I do not recommend. I can already tell you
guys it's not going to get a good score. No, I would still rather at this point, at this point, because I mean, there's still half of the stick that it could actually get worse, but I would still smoke this before the cult blood red moon. Oh, certainly. Certainly. Cult blood red moon was just offensive. This is not good, but it's, I mean, it's bad. The cult blood red moon is a pile of garbage trans maxing as a cigar. It identifies as a cigar,
and you should not smoke it. It is, yeah, actively trying to harm you, I think is. Something is trying to do something. Yeah, it's terrible. So there's two other people I would like to discuss, and these are not necessarily trans maxers. One has been accused of trans maxing, and the other is known for something else. So people have accused Dylan Mulvaney of being a trans maxer, believe it or not. And a lot of really hardcore feminists hate Dylan Mulvaney because she
exaggerates female stereotypes for clicks on the internet. And they use that as evidence that Dylan is not in fact a genuine trans person. That and like the tampon stuff and the fame that she received. From the Budweiser stuff or what? From, ah, before that even, she was a guest to the Biden White House. Okay. Yeah. She became like a social media influencer based on the idea that she was transitioning and documenting it live, right?
Yeah. I know that there are plenty of women out there who use the female stereotypes to their advantage in situations when they think those stereotypes can be easily exploited to their benefit. I'm thinking of, let's just say, predominantly white women in almost any interaction with the police. You are being very kind in that example, but yes. Right. And I also know that there are a ton of men that exploit male stereotypes to say,
get out of doing household chores perhaps or whatever they do, right? So why wouldn't a trans woman also exploit female stereotypes? I guess. Right. And I don't know anything about Dylan Mulvaney other than what we've talked about in the show and like the Bud Light stuff. And apparently they helped Bud Light sell a fuck ton of beer because all the conservative rednecks bought beer to shoot with their shotguns. And Bud Light doesn't care if you're drinking it or shooting it. You
still bought it. So good for them for padding Budweiser's bottom line. Yeah. I don't have anything against Dylan Mulvaney. And I'm not saying that Dylan is or is not a transvaxxer. No, I'm just pointing out some of the hypocrisy where it's like, well, if you're of this gender from birth, you can exploit the stereotypes, but if you're not, then you can't. You can't trade your stereotypes for the new stereotypes of your new assigned gender or whatever. You know, it's like, well, okay then.
Right. Well, Dylan's going to do, whether Dylan is legitimate or not is going to do the same behavior because Dylan's the type of person that they are. So yeah, it's yeah. But like I said- You can't have it both ways. You can't say we need to accept all trans people, accept this one who's using female stereotypes, even though they weren't born a female. Well, of course they can use female stereotypes. That's why you have fucking drag queens and that's just men exploiting female
stereotypes for fun, not in like a nasty way, right? Like they're not, they're not a standup comic or an incel in their mom's basement posting hateful things about women. They're just using those stereotypes to get into character, to entertain people, right?
Right. As far as I know, I'm no drag queen, trans maxing expert, but you know, all of the ones that all of the ones so far have sounded, it seemed pretty, pretty benign, you know, not like, oh, this person claimed to be trans and they walked off with a declaration of independence somehow. Right. And I, I grabbed high profile cases that were lighthearted because there's all these apocryphal stories that don't actually have any evidence where it's like, oh, this scary man went
into the woman's bathroom with the wig on or whatever. Like that's, there's going to be crazy people that do stuff no matter what. It's Halloween, Karen, just let them have their fun. Just kidding. It is not Halloween. Yeah, there's psychos and predators. No matter what you do, you're never going to change that. So yeah, that's more of a that person problem than it is like a trend or something.
Yeah. And just because the national media or even your local media picked something up, doesn't mean it's an actual thing that's, that's happening widespread. Oh, right. Stories, stories can be sensationalized and it happened like once. Right. The, uh, transmaxing is definitely part of the culture war and it's, I view it as entertainment because I don't know to what extent it's real. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's as, it's as real as almost any other PR stunt out there. Right. I guess.
Right. Yeah, I would say that's true. So I'm going to skip over the last one. I want to talk about, she wasn't a transmaxer. It was Rachel Dolezal, uh, who, uh, claims to be trans racial, but, uh, we don't need to get into that. That could be the one that pretended to be black. Yes. Yeah. She was a head of the NAACP in like Washington. Yeah. Yeah. And she was a teacher. And then she lost her job. So she moved down to Arizona and then she got fired again because
she started an only fans. Sure. And, uh, yeah, all this interesting stuff, which I think it's unfair to her by the way, cause, uh, she's just trying to live her life. Oh, I mean, I don't think pretending to be black is a good thing if you're not for your job or whatever. Right. But if you want to go and start your own only fans later than who cares, I guess. No, I mean, the question with Rachel Dolezal is I don't think that she was pretending to be black.
I mean, she like didn't associate with her family and, uh, she had like these kids and this husband and this whole lifestyle based around like her identity as a black woman. So it's a very interesting case study because I'm sure there's more depth to it than the media made out to be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't like some crazy lady. Like she was trying to do good things in her community and live a normal life. She just happened to be like a big nosed blonde woman from
Montana, I think, instead of a black woman. So always interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that one would probably require a little bit deeper dive. Um, cause I know the news media certainly kind of took that one and ran with it. Like, Oh, the head of the NAACP is a white woman. Oh yeah. It's, it's a great story on the face of it. Right. Yeah. Like I'll, I have to say that for sure. Yeah. That's click bait that gets clicked. Oh, right. So I would be a liar if I told you I didn't look up
Rachel Doll is our only fans to see if what was available. Cause why not? You know, it's out there. It's out there, man. Yeah. You just do an image search and look at like two pictures and you know what it's all about. Yeah. You do an image search or there's people that, uh, there's a large group and I don't know, cause I don't really care, but there's a large group of
fighters out there on the internet that will find all of these girls only fans pages. They will track down the real names and stuff, and then report them to the IRS and also make their content available for free on different torrenting sites. I've heard of that. I have heard of that. So there hasn't been anyone that I've heard of that's on only fans that I've been even moderately interested in trying to look up. So I just haven't, but I've seen, you know, memes or people talking about,
yeah, if you know, don't be a, oh, what do they call it? What do they call it when you, oh, don't be a simp. Don't be a simp for an only fans girl, report them to the IRS, you know? So, right. I've seen the memes. I've heard the stories. I've never looked up. I haven't had a torrent on my computer for a very long time, man. I've never had a torrent on my computer. Really? Everyone hear that? Did everyone hear that? IRS heard that? FBI, you heard that? I've torrented the program
and nothing else. I don't even know how they work. I don't even know what it is, man. How does the internet happen? It's impossible. I know in the nineties, I used to have to murder a robot to get access to the internet because the thing would just scream at you. Oh, it was great. Yeah. Yeah. And then your mom wanted to make a call upstairs and like the, the JPEG was only half loaded. So you couldn't even see the nipples, you know? Yep. Trying to download a 12 kilobyte file.
Yeah. 12 kilobyte Tom Selleck shirtless picture. Didn't even get to his nipples. Oh my. So, uh, yeah, we're gonna, it was hard to find. Got Mike distracted with Tom Selleck reference out of nowhere. He's like, what the fuck? We went off the rails son. We're talking about trans maxing. Now Tom Selleck is here. Oh, what the hell? He's not trans maxing. He's just maxing. Maxing.
So I looked up a document called the Trans Maxing Manifesto. Of course. And this was, I'm sure it's similar to project 2025 in its scope and expert panel that contributed. It was referenced in the BBC channel four documentary. So he's like, oh, so this is like mainstream media. Look this up. And it's a document that you can find on Scribd. And,
uh, we're going to go over the rules or the benefits of trans maxing. We're not going to go over the whole document, but I will preload that the stories they tell about real life trans maxers at the end are hilarious because I haven't like before and after pictures and be like me trans max four months in there to be like a dude. And this woman that's clearly not that guy. It's just hilarious. It's a definitely, uh, like a meme. It's a meme that made it onto the BBC.
Yeah. So we are going to go over the benefits that the trans maxing manifesto gives and cut in at any time. Okay. I hope we're growing hair is one because I would like that to happen to me. I can't remember if it's on there or not. We're going to find out. So the first one is really weird sexual excitement from having a feminine body.
And then the second one is the superiority of female aesthetics, which is kind of the same, but are they talking like body or are they talking like being able to have candles in your home and nobody judging you as a man? That might be it. We're going to go with that one. That makes more sense. Okay. You walk into your, your bro's house. You're like, man, kind of girly in here. I'm
trance. My apologies. Good sir, ma'am. You have as many candles as you want. I mean, I've never made fun of anybody for having candles in their house because I too like candles, but I don't light them very often. Uh, we're just not the kind of guys that go out of people's houses and make fun of them for what's in it. That's valid point. Valid point. Yeah. Like I really don't care what's in, what's in there. Yeah. As long as it's all legal stuff, right? Like, yeah. And I walk into Diddy's
house. It's a different story, but yes. If I, yeah, I was thinking like, if you walk into uncle Ted's house and see some illegal shit, it's probably the cool kind, but yeah, maybe depending on the uncle, is he Catholic or not? I don't think Ted Nuget is Catholic. No, no, not him. He's got cat scratch fever. So they have another one and this is like, gets into meme ology, full body orgasms, you know, because when you transition to being a woman, you become a woman. How though
it's a meme. Come on. I know, man, but like even as a meme to be a funny meme, it's gotta have some basis in like reality, right? Like you can't just transition to a woman and be like, oh, now I can have multiple orgasms. Well, that's a lie because number five, multiple orgasms from P PM, penile stimulation, you know, cause you transition to being a woman. So now you can have full body and multiple orgasms at the same time. Okay. I'll consider that. I'll consider that. I'll consider
that. I'll consider myself corrected. I think it's a play on the idea that some of the activists say that trans women are real women and can give birth and menstruate. Yes. Yeah. But where do they put the tampon again? You'll have to ask Dylan Mulvaney. I don't think we have enough followers for Dylan to even respond, but I, you know what? I can try. Well, that's all you can, you know, that's a, that's a great first like opener. Oh, Hey, Dylan, we had a question on the show. Where does the
tampon go and why are you bleeding once a month from there? I think you're not using that for something, but I'm not going to mention what it might be. Yes. You can ask, you can ask Diddy though. Oh man. We're not going, we're not getting invited anyway. No, probably not. Unless Dylan smokes cigars, then we'll see, but let's go next. Next manifesto point, Mike, before you let me ramble. Emotions stronger and be happier on estrogen, which I think is the opposite of what most trans
people report, but that's okay. Yeah. Yeah. You can. So that one, even though I'm aware of this as a meme and a funny, funny thing, but that one I think is slowly changing to where men are able to show emotion and not be thought a lesser person or lesser being, I guess. Right. Certain kinds of emotion. Yeah. Sensitive emotions, not angry emotions. Right. I swear to God, this last puff on this cigar was the worst thing I've had in my mouth since scout camp. It's not very good. I'm
letting it cool. I still have two inches left. I'm going to let this one cool. Yeah, me too, man. But the last puff I took was terrible. Like, Oh, it's not the best. So the next one is your breasts will become sensitive, which is probably true. Probably true. Probably true. Being able to attract. Nipples are sensitive on their own from what I gather. That's what I've been told in the stories. Yes. Not a lot of people out there
playing with man nipples, but. Yes. These next two. Back when I got a purple nipple, it hurt. I'll tell you that. Oh my. So I have a double, a double header here. They split it into two, but I'm going to put it into one. Okay. If you become attractive enough. Yeah, I have to edit it because it's, it's repetitive. It's a meme. If you become attractive enough, you will be able to attract cis lesbians and high quality males
simultaneously. Yeah. That's what I, as an introvert want. I want everybody coming over to me. Yes. How many pages is manifesto Mike? It has 17 points. Oh, okay. Well, 18 points. So it's, so it's not like project 2025 or it was like a million pages long. Thank God. No. Yeah. Okay. Good. Yeah. It says that you'll get softer skin and lesser no acne. No idea if that's true. Yeah. I don't know. I thought men
had less acne overall than women, but that might not be true. This says that you will live longer, which they linked a actual government study that showed that men taking hormone blockers live 10% longer. Probably because we're not trying to mod out our riding lawnmowers and race the neighbor. Possibly. Yeah. The next one is great. It's being able to extract resources for males. Yeah. I mean, you know, I wouldn't mind a sugar daddy, the kind like send me pictures of your feet and here's like
10 K. Okay. What you want with my foot pick. I don't give a fuck. Yeah. So any listener, 10, $10,000 you can get pictures of my feet. There we go. Putting that out there. Everybody has a price. Yeah. I mean, I'm not gay, but $20 is $20. That's what I heard from a show. It's a quote from a show. Carry on. All right. 13, you will no longer be driven to do dangerous and idiotic things due to testosterone. Man, that's the best part of testosterone. Yeah, maybe. I don't think it's
going to stop any dangerous behavior, but whatever. This is the one that you would be interested in. Stop and reverse hair loss. Yes. I don't know why the hair on the top of my head left there and went everywhere else, but couldn't some of it just go back? What I want to know is why is the hair that's left going gray? There's nothing wrong with going gray. For any gender. I don't think going gray is
an issue. Not anymore. No, not like it used to be. No, I don't think going bald is an issue either. No, I don't think so either. It certainly hasn't hindered my life. No, maybe in some circles. That I know of. Yeah. So the next one we could argue about people will treat you better if they think you are female, which. That's why Elliot Page looks so happy all the time. Right. I don't think
that transgender people get treated better. I mean, I don't think that there's like some sort of like government conspiracy against trans people, but socially they definitely have a more difficult time most of the time, I'm going to guess. Yeah, I guess that one probably depends on where they live and where they work. If they work for Boeing or Sweet Baby Inc, then being trans is fantastic. And sure, you go put, you go bolt this engine on this airplane. You got this girl, but I think a lot
of other places is probably not as socially acceptable. No, I'm going to guess that your construction site is going to be a little rougher place. I have worked with some transgender people and they definitely had a hard time on the job from some people. Yeah. Not me, but some people. Yeah. I generally, if you can't, if you're competent and can just do the stuff you're supposed to do and mostly leave me alone, then I don't, I don't care. I don't want to know.
It doesn't matter to me. But the same goes for talking about their pets and their kids. Like I don't, can you get the report done or not? I don't need to know about your child or your cat or just do the thing so I can go live my life at home after work. I agree. They link to a NIH study that shows that the murder rate for males is higher than the murder rate for transgender people.
And they say that you're less likely to get killed, which is possible. I don't really know. I mean, that's probably true, but I feel like that's a correlation, that causation type of thing. I think there's fewer trans people. And so of course, less of them will be killed. I would say I would say it's probably probably legit. Yeah. This one is hilarious. 17 is funny. Female spaces are cleaner and generally more pleasant. Not having to shower with males. Yeah. I mean,
possibly. I mean, I've heard horror stories about women's restrooms and I've heard horror stories about men's restrooms. It kind of depends. Like the men's restroom at first Av is not great, but I don't know that the women's restroom is any better. Probably not. Probably not. And then number 18, the last on the list as legal sex change becomes more viable. You will have access to cheaper car insurance, getting diversity hired, et cetera. Yeah. Which unfortunately
is actually all true. Yeah, it is. So, and then they go off into trying to purposefully develop auto gynaphilia, weird shit like that. It's funny. You have to, uh, it's pretty funny that those are, uh, not in the, uh, 18 things that is, are directly in the manifesto. These are like supplemental. Yeah. Supplemental work that you can read on your own time for further reading, please. Further reading. Yeah. I know what kind of whatever the fuck.
For those of you who want to be tracked by the same, uh, cookies that I get tracked by, I guess. You can look it up on Scribd. Yeah. Yeah. Use incognito browsing. I don't think that that helps. No, not according to Google. Who's like, yeah, we, uh, we don't sell all that information. We, uh, we keep on your incognito sessions. It's like, what? Yep. But I try not to use Google. It says the Android user. So take that for what it's worth. Right. And that's, I mean, we've talked
about it. It's almost too late for that to be a concern. They're all, they're all just as evil, I guess, you know, right? Yeah. You're damned if you do a damned, if you don't. And if you're not online, you really are hindering your ability to interact with society. So yeah, it's not going to be that if you're not online, you don't get targeted ads. So I don't know. I had a conversation with one of my buddies and he was like, oh yeah. I, uh, and he's a single guy. You know, he's I think
eight years older than I am. Single guy, loves video games and, uh, and that's about it, you know? And he's like, oh yeah, I turned off targeted ads and I was getting, started getting ads for like ninja diapers and stuff for kids because they're not like targeting my demographic. And so I'm just going to turn targeted ads back on because why wouldn't I want to see stuff I'm interested in? I'm not going to buy it, but I don't want to watch a diaper commercial. So I'll watch
a commercial about something I like, you know? Right, right. And I'm like, I'm not going to buy it. I'm going to watch a commercial about something I like, you know? Right, right. And what you mentioned, uh, Alexa and the home assistance and how people are paranoid about it, which is legit, but at the same time, this is like the thing that we wanted, you know what I
mean? Like everybody wanted that. And that's funny. Cause like our parents' generation loved Star Trek and they wanted, they were like, Oh, I can't wait till computers get to the point where I can just go computer, uh, display, blah, blah, blah, or computer Earl gray, hot, you know? And I'm like, well, what do you think it's doing in Star Trek, man? Like you're the ones that made it. You made Star Trek. Like you put it out there for us to build and develop and said, you wanted
it so bad and now you don't want it. Yeah. How about we elect some politicians that'll make reasonable regulations and then we'd use it anyway. Like people, I've had multiple people. Why don't we elect politicians that can say no to Mark Zuckerberg? Right. Elect Bobby Kennedy. Ha ha ha. People, I've had multiple people get very upset coming into my house because we have the speakers everywhere and you can talk and turn lights on and everything. And they're like, Oh no, this is evil.
And it's like, what do you mean it's evil? It's cool as shit. Yeah. I can increase my thermometer with my voice or remotely. Like that's great. Yeah. Yeah. I love the smart thermostat because I can do it from anywhere. You know, if we're out for the, out for the weekend, I turned it to like in the summer, it keeps it pretty warm in the house, but not too warm. Cause we have a cat and in the winter it keeps it really cold, but not too cold. Cause we have a cat. But then when we leave
wherever we're staying, I put it back to like home mode. So that by the time we're home, the house is like the temperature we want it to be. So, Oh yeah. And when we're gone, we automate lights to pretend that we're here and yeah, yeah. It's cool. Cause all, cause all the people driving up your driveway in the middle of nowhere is like, Oh, no, the lights just came on. I imagine the sticky bandits, the wet bandits from home alone. Nope. Remember when he's got the whole list, he's like that house
and he points and the lights go on and that house, the lights go on. Cause he knows all the timers. Yep. But the good thing with like Alexa and the smart home automation is you could just tell it. You could create a routine to say, turn the lights on at sundown, which changes by, you know, a minute or so every day. Right? Right. That's true. That's true. I don't think I have to worry about it. Even the UPS guy today walked up to the house and didn't drive in because of the dog. Yeah. Yeah.
So, and the sign that says there will be no warning shots because ammunition is expensive. Well, you know, I had to make an eight by four because that's what plywood comes in. Yeah. So we debated it the whole time and we can discuss it one last time as we finished this cigar. You know, is trans maxing number one, is it a real problem? Because a lot of athletes are getting
accused of it and we're not going to talk about any specifics. And apparently there are cases and it's growing, but most of the examples that I found were not necessarily nefarious actors trying to harm anybody. Right. They were doing it for self gain, which is what we do in our society in general. Yeah. So, I mean, it, uh, there's a theory I have often had kind of had in my head, uh, but there's also a whole episode and I know this shows kind of been like, Oh, we removed the laugh track just to
show you how funny it isn't. Well, it's not a laugh track. It was filmed in front of a live studio audience. So there's that, but, uh, there's a whole episode of friends where Phoebe was trying to do an unselfish act and Joey kept saying, well, you donate all that money. And she's like, yeah. And that sucked because it was all the money I had. And he's like, but you feel good about it, don't
you? And she's like, yeah, damn it. So there's not really like an unselfish act, you know, even if you do stuff that has like a negative impact on you, you can still feel good about it, which then therefore is still selfish. So anyone who's altering their life for whatever the reasons are, whether it's to trans max or, you know, to get cheaper car insurance or because they really believe they were born in the wrong body. I don't think the motivation is any different. It's still
for personal gain. It is. And our whole society is set up to be able to do that. Our whole society is set up to do everything for personal gain. Right. So, well, that's what evolution created us to be basically. Right. So I can't knock them for doing it. Uh, I know that I've made jokes about it. Uh, when I was, uh, in college, I put on my
application that I was African-American a few times. It didn't help me get into college, but I put it on there all the same because the meme was alive and well in the early aughts, you know, yeah, there's hadn't been enough people doing it to make it to the news cycle. Right. Yeah. And, and the news cycle on the news media and the interest groups and stuff had hadn't made it
to the point where now I saw, I can't remember the name of the college. Now they said 75% of their new incoming class was going to be diverse, which left only 25% of the seats open for white people, white men. That's only if they don't claim to be something else. And I understand. I'm saying that that is now official policy at one of the top universities in the United States.
So it's come a long way from it being a joke, right? Right. To it now being where trans maxing might actually be a legitimate way to have the same future as everybody else now, but for white people. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know if this gets into the whole, well, the whole thing with the white privilege. I don't know that there is really such a thing as white privilege for people of certain socioeconomic classes, right? Like there's a, there's a income cutoff somewhere
for that. I think there has to be, right? Part of the con concept of white privilege is that it's privilege is independent of your social class. That's based purely on whiteness. So it's like a perceived benefit when you're dealing with police or public officials or something. And I don't know if being poor immediately makes you a target for like police. I don't know if being not white immediately makes you a target, but that's the idea behind it. Right? Like I'm not
defending it as a concept. I would say that the benefit you get from, if you do get benefit from white privilege is a seriously outweighed by economic factors for sure. And I know that in public policy, if you address economic factors, you're going to address all the other issues as well. So it just makes sense to do it in a way that is fair. All I know, man, is I was at the store the other day. Somebody asked me if I played basketball and I was like, you check your privilege. This is
not the book sparked. You check your privilege. How dare you assume I'm an athlete. How dare you? I know the other day I was talking to my grandmother and she told me it doesn't matter what anybody says. Transmaxing is the way to go. Well, you listened to Nana. So that's all I have for the topic and my cigar is really hot and I don't want to finish it. I have about an inch left. Yeah. I don't want to tell you this, Mike, but I'm going to because there are no secrets
between us. Mine went out and I just didn't bother to relight it because it was terrible. But yeah, I probably got like an inch and a half left and I just, I was like, I'm not doing it. I can't, I can't do it. I can't do it. I won't do it. I don't want to do it. But the question then is, I don't know, is it a one? Oh, I see what you did. You know what? I'll do the same thing because why
not? This is copy Mike the show, but we both gave it a one, one point two five because it's not like as bad as the cult blood red moon, but this is really, it wasn't, there was not any pleasant puff off the entirety of the, the, the, of the stick. The whole thing was bad. The reason why I gave it a one point two five, it got worse. I thought that the last two inches was better than the first three quarters, but I'm not sure if it was because it actually got better or because I just stopped
tasting the bad parts because I'd smoked that much of it. Yeah. See, and I thought the last, maybe two or three inches were the worst part of the whole thing. So I suffered through the rest of it. That was not good to get to an even worse part. Yeah. Uh, this is not recommended. It tastes like acetone. Yeah. The whole way through. I would recommend trans maxing before I recommend you smoke this thing. No judgment on my part. You listen to Mike's grandmother now. That's right.
All right. Well, thanks for listening. Don't smoke this fucking cigar. It's terrible. Be safe. Have fun.