Welcome to Nice Ashes, I'm Mike. And I'm Nate. What are we smoking today, Nate? And I told Mike I would do this. And I also told him I was going to butcher it. But this is the Herrera Astelli from Drew Estate. Sounds about right to me. Now wasn't Drew Estate behind the undercrown? Yes, the undercrown that everybody loves. Yes. So, you know, at least this one says Drew Estate right on the label. So maybe it's good. They're very highly rated. So it was the undercrown. All right.
The one thing I have to remember, Mike, with my new V-cut is when I V-cut, it shoots cigar stuff out the back. So I have to remember to do it over the ashtray. Otherwise I'm picking up cigar trimmings. Oh, interesting. So it doesn't hold the little cigar in the cup, huh? Well, it holds the cigar in the cup, but the back of it is wide open. So it kind of like shoots it out the back. At least the design of mine, which is fine. Like I don't have a problem with it.
I just have to actively remember because I've switched from my guillotine cutter to this one now because I quite like this one. But I just have to remember I kind of got into the force of habit with the other one where I would have to like kind of tap the cutter out to get the cut end out of it. Oh, that's right. Your guillotine does have a little cup on the back, doesn't it? Yeah. Forgot about that. Mine's open. So interesting. All right. Yeah. First couple of puffs are pretty good.
Yeah. It's a pretty typical, decent cigar. Not overly dark, kind of medium body. Yes. Not too bad. Does have a slight astringent taste to it if you really look for it. Yeah, slightly. Before we get into the topic, we have a couple things we need to wrap up. We're going to wrap up for the sanity of Mike. We've got a couple, what would you call them, corrections or addendums or some previous episodes? Yes. Yes, yes.
So first things first, I was singing the praises of a Pittsburgh ratchet end wrench. What was it? The swivel end wrench. Swivel end. And it's the indexable wrench because they make a swivel end wrench. Nate showed me and I have never used that one. It's called an indexable wrench. And this has been keeping Mike up at night. So hopefully tonight he can get some good sleep because he has come clean. Yes, yes I have. And then Mike, you also had an update on the sovereign citizens. Yes, yes I do.
So a listener sent me a text message about it and they had a question about Native American tribes and becoming a sovereign citizen because they heard a rumor. Because they said, oh yeah, you go on. Oh no, no, you go ahead. Oh no, okay. Well, Mike and I talk outside the show. Mike I'm as a shock to some of you listeners. But Mike had told me that this listener believed that Native Americans could adopt people into their tribe to then become sovereign citizens.
Yes. And I have disappointing information. So the BIA has 574 federally recognized American Indian and Alaskan Native tribes. And what is the BIA for those of us that are acronym inverse? The Bureau of Indian Affairs. Okay, thank you. The BIA does not set criteria for tribal enrollment. Each individual tribe sets their own rules for enrollment. Typically the rules are based on genealogy. And you have to usually have some sort of legal documentation showing family membership.
And then they usually have blood quantum, which is like you have to prove genetically that you have a certain percentage, usually a quarter. And then you also have to have residency and continued contact with the tribe. Now this is for the listener. The BIA does not set the rules. Every tribe sets its own rules. So if there is a tribe that will allow white people to become band members, you would have to find that very specific band online.
And I looked and I could not find any advertisement for that. I know that obviously you would not be able to qualify for the quantum and get federal subsidy. Now, as far as the tax policy goes, I know this because I worked with tribal members in the past. You have to live on a reservation and work on a reservation to qualify for tax exempt status. So if you wanted to be a tax exempt person, you would have to be one, a member of a band, and there's 574 of them that set their own rules.
Two, you have to live on a reservation and work on a reservation. So even if you're a band member living on a reservation, if you work off of a reservation, you have to pay tax. Or if you live off of the reservation and work on the reservation, you have to pay tax. Does that all make sense? It does. What if you live on one reservation and work on a different reservation? That's totally fine.
Okay. If you even if you're, let's say you're a Navajo and you're living on a Hadatsa reservation and working on a Hadatsa reservation, you do not have to pay tax because you're living on a reservation. Yes. See what I'm saying? You're a band member of a different tribal nation, but you're still living on a reservation. Yeah. Yes. Do they prefer tribal lands or reservation? Again, there's 574 standards. They all decide what they want, right? Yes. So there is no right or wrong answer.
I too have an update on one of our past episodes. And I didn't text you this and I was going to, but I figured it'd be better now to get your full reaction. Our plumber friend, Keith said you nailed it on what plumbers need to know. Nice. He wants to know when you're coming to give a refresher training to. Nice. I will say that I'm quite handy and I fix almost everything at the house, but I will not fix any plumbing at my house under no circumstances.
That is a skill level beyond what I am capable of and my confidence level is about zero. I did put a new flapper valve in our toilet, although I don't think I said it correctly. And then just recently I had to put a new handle on our toilet because we had the original plastic one from like 1960 whatever. And I was sent to the store with explicit instructions to get a metal one. Oh, sure. I did put a new flapper valve and handles on my toilets in the house.
I'm talking more anything that has to do with piping. Yeah, I don't want. I'm not messing with it. Yeah, I don't know. I'd probably change out a faucet. Yeah, I don't think a faucet is easy. I'd change out a faucet in our bathroom and that was fine because it's mostly just the hoses. You shut off the water, make sure all the water's out of the thing, put some towels down because there's still water in it even though there's nothing coming out the faucet. And you just put a new faucet in.
Like it's not complicated as long as you do all the things the right way, you know. Right, right. And the flooding wouldn't be, you'd know right away if you messed it up, hopefully. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But you have a story about coming on glued bowling and then we're going to get into the meat and potatoes of this episode. I do. But before that, did you send that video? I forwarded you a video about electricians. Did you forward that to our listener friend? No, I didn't.
Pretending a broom was Klein. Yeah, pretending a broom was Klein so the electricians would clean up after themselves. No, and it's funny because you've helped me out multiple times with electrician-earing, right? And electrician-earing. Yep, yes I have. Yes. And you're like, okay, you're just like clipping things and snipping things and things are flying everywhere. And you're like, yeah, we don't clean these up. And I'm like, oh, okay. Which is fine because like you're helping me.
So it's not a big deal for me to clean them up. But it's funny because you sent me that and I'm like, yep, yep. It's so true. Yeah, everybody shits on the electricians. Rightfully so, by the way, because cleaning up after ourselves is not... It's like, yeah, just cut the end of the conduit off and let it fall into the corner. Who gives a shit? You're going to be out of this room in an hour or so. Screw it. But to be fair, the cleanup is not the important part of an electrician's job.
Making sure things don't burn down and electrocute you and stuff, that's the important bit. So I think that's like, what do they call that? I don't know, managing your expectations or whatever it might be. But as long as the electrician stuff is done correctly, the cleanup is fine. It's not a big deal. Right. It depends on the contractor. If you are working on a commercial project for a big enough contractor, they typically have somebody whose job it is to clean.
Yeah. We just don't worry about it. Nobody wants to pay $50 an hour for somebody to clean. You know what I mean? Yeah. Tell us about your bowling un-gluing incident. Oh, sure. There was a bowler who turned 18 and I was not aware of this. I know their parents and I saw them and I was like, oh, that's interesting. So a week or two later, I see them again and I'm like, surely you're not old enough to be bowling on adult league yet. Me being older and them being the child of one of my friends.
Like, yeah, I turned 18 over the summer and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, well, that's cool. I wasn't upset. I was like, that's really exciting. So another week goes by and there was some complaining about bowling balls not hooking on the lane. This person was a youth bowler, now they're joining adult leagues. So it's a new environment, different alleys, different everything, you know, and they were complaining the bowl ball was dirty, oily, no maintenance being done.
The ball is not hooking, just skidding through all the oil, you know. I look at them and I said, did you clean your ball? They're like, no. I'm like, do you wipe it off? No. When's the last time you cleaned your ball? I don't know. And I said, when I look at you roll the ball, I can count the number of revolutions on it with my eyes. So you're not putting any power on the ball and you're also not cleaning the ball. So you're allowing it to become dirty and oil soaked.
So you're not giving the technology even a chance to hook at all. You don't deserve to hook the ball. If you want to hook the ball in the modern environment, you need to one, roll the ball in a way that imparts revolutions on the ball to create friction on the lane and two, you need to maintain your equipment. You spent two hundred and fifty dollars on this bowling ball and you're not taking care of it. You're not rolling it right and you're not taking care of it.
I'm like, you need to adjust to this environment, right? Everywhere you go now, you're going to have lots of oil. It's supposed to be there. It's to be there to make it more difficult. So stop complaining and start taking care of it. And they did not like that. It's like, well, I wasn't your coach. But you were being coached in an environment for children. Now you're not a child anymore. Now you're an adult league and an adult league withers different conditions.
You know, expectations are different to the big league. Exactly. Like you're not a child anymore. So oh, I went off. I'm like, you know, don't use that dirty ass towel to clean it off. Go get a fucking leather pad. They make them now specifically to absorb this new modern oil. You know, and you got to bake them every 60 games. I went through the list of shit they need to do to maintain it. It was a lot of stuff.
I'm like, yeah, it's a two hundred and fifty dollar piece of equipment and you have more than one of them. Think about it. You just made a thousand dollar investment. You got to maintain your equipment, you know? Yeah, sure. And then they're bitching about not being able to hook the ball and bowling bad and all this. And I'm like, you are the directly responsible for your bad bowling. Like don't blame anybody else. It's your fault. So the lane is not making him ball that he chose to bowl poorly.
So right. Yeah, you're making choices that created this environment. And when I said you don't deserve to hook the ball, man, that like look in the face like, oh, like, yeah, you earn it. I don't know how to say it. What is it? Who was it? Was it Abe Lincoln who said if he had the if he had to chop down a tree, he would spend like three quarters of the time sharpening the axe. I've never heard that quote before. Oh, there's some there's some quote like that.
Basically, it was like, how would you chop down like the largest tree ever? And it was like I would spend most of my time sharpening the axe, you know, right. The right tool will make quick work of anything if it's up kept well. And speaking of up kept well, I changed the headlights on my car. Yes, it looks great, too. And I sent you a picture and I can see at night now, which is awesome. So is that all right. So Mike, we decided we're going to talk about different diets for this episode.
Yes. And this is mostly because I was feeling poorly a couple of days ago. And I told you that I ate like dinner and then that was about it. And you said, oh, mad. And I'm acronym adverse. I think that's going to be on the ADA list soon. And I was like, what the fuck is that, Eddie, you're like one meal a day. And you were saying that what you eat one meal a day, try and get your blood sugar to not be high all day.
And then my response was, well, as a type one diabetic, I wonder how that kind of works out with diabetics, because if I don't have food and I do things like I don't have this is like more than what we need for this episode. But there's insulin, which counteracts the carbohydrates that a person eats. But then when most people don't have enough carbohydrates, there's it's I don't know what it's called, but it's like an anti insulin.
Like it's another hormone that kind of like keeps your your blood sugar at a rate level. But I don't have either. So if I don't have you talking about ketones or ghrelin or something. Well, you don't want ketones. Like if I go high for a long period of time, I get ketones in the urine and stuff like that. Oh, I mean, maybe it's ketones. Well, that's what the keto diet is all about, I guess. The ketones. Yeah, I don't I don't know.
I don't know enough about it, even though I've been diabetic for, I guess, over 30 years. But whatever. But whatever it is, like you need both, right? You can't just have one or the other. So that's kind of the thing with the insulin pumps is the insulin pumps will give you insulin. But until they come up with one that also gives you like the anti insulin all in one, like it's not a true replacement for the cells in your pancreas that short out to give you these.
But but regardless, that's that's neither here nor there. We're talking about different diets. And so I pulled up a couple articles about pros and cons of different diets. I don't know, Mike, do you want to do you want to start or do you want me to go through some of these and you can kind of like interject as you might have more familiarity with some of these than I do? Yeah, let's have you go through them. And that way we have an outline, but not just me rambling about nonsense.
But we love when Mike rambles because then they can smoke a cigar. However, we we talked in between episodes here that this will be one of those episodes where Nate and Mike bring you the Internet to your ear holes because we're just kind of reading from the Internet. But you know what? If you're not going to look it up, we might as well for you. Right. And basically most of the things we talk about have to be looked up somewhere.
I'm not going through the due decimal system anymore because this is 2023. All right. So the first one here, this is UAB medicine dot org. So you know, it's legit because all dot orgs are legit. Absolutely. The keto diet. I'm sure most people have heard of the keto diet. I know my my wife's parents have gone on keto diet. And I do know I do have some experience with this because when they're gung ho about their keto diet, when we go up to visit, they only cook keto things.
And not only am I hungry is I'll get out. But I can tell I've lost some weight after that weekend. So I know it works. I know it does. What kind of keto things are they cooking? That's the question, man. It's like keto pizza and keto, whatever. Like, sure, that's sometimes. Go ahead. Yeah. Oh, no, you go on.
The biggest issue that I've seen from the outside perspective of the keto diet is that they're trying to use modern science to make things that are bad for you slightly less bad and possibly as bad just in a different way. Right. Yeah. Like it's not like a truly traditional ketogenic diet, which would be like meats and vegetables that are low in carbs with oils, you know, like food that you're supposed to eat. Right. Like vegetables that are not starchy.
You know, so like for the keto pizza and stuff, they use like almond flour or something instead of like regular flour and a lot of like maybe pizzas with like cauliflower crust or things very low. So basically the ketogenic or keto diet, it's high in fat and low in carbohydrates, which traditionally are sugars. Right.
So basically it causes the body to break down the fat into molecules called ketones and the ketones circulate in the blood and become the main source of energy for your body's cells instead of the carbohydrates, the sugars. And this diet, I guess, is used to treat types of epilepsy and some types of cancer. Yes. And type two diabetes. Yes. Also, there's growing research about using a ketogenic diet during cancer treatment because cancer cells use sucrose.
Okay. Yes. So the pros, it's very effective for short term weight loss and reducing epileptic seizures. And then studies suggest it may have benefits for treating diabetes and some cancers. The cons, however, are there's not enough research to prove that it works and that it's safe for long periods of time. Right. And extremely limited carbohydrates can cause the just the problems, headaches and other side effects.
We also have to say right away that the standard American diet is an abysmal failure that has created the highest rate of obesity and heart attacks. It's absolutely horrific health consequences for sure. We know that it's possibly the worst possible thing that you can eat. Yeah. So I think the two things that I've noticed about American food, and especially when you go to eat somewhere is one portion sizes are ginormous. They're massive.
And two, the amount of salt that they put on things is ridiculous. We do a lot of like cooking at home and it's nothing like fancy, right? It's just like we cook things at home, but I never add salt to stuff. And so when you go to eat, you're like, whoa, that is salty. But salt is addictive and salt makes you drink more and salt makes you want more beer and more wine and more whatever. So like I understand it because it's all marketing, like everything's marketing. It's not really. Right.
And so is sugar, by the way, that sugar absolutely is addictive. Oh, but sugar won the war. Sugar said, no, no, it's fat. It's fat content that makes you fat in food, not sugar content. But that's not true. Even though sugar has to be converted into fat through your liver to be used as food in your bloodstream. Your brain uses sugar directly, but all your muscles and everything else cannot use it. So it has to be converted to fat and then converted to ketones for your muscles to use.
Yes. So that's part of the obesity problem. We're not doctors or nutritionalists. So we are not. We are not. Again, we're just here smoking cigars, drinking and having fun. I'm drinking a hot valley, but this time it's a bubble stash IPA. Oh, nice. I'm drinking a whiskey sour. There you go. So my a single glass of whiskey is done. All is cashed, so straight onto whiskey sour tone. There we go. All right. The next one is intermittent fasting.
I know there are a lot of apps out on the Apple store and the Google Play store for intermittent fasting. You can set up your own things, but basically it's an eat. It's eating patterns. So it includes hours or days of little to no food consumption, but you're not limiting essential nutrients. So you alternate common ones are you alternate a day of fasting, fasting two days each week, and then strict limits on when what times of the day it's okay to eat.
Yes. And some people argue there's doctors that argue that eating like the six meals a day that was recommended a decade ago is leading to type two diabetes because your blood sugar never drops. And it's probably not the best for you to have high blood sugar. You eat six small meals a day. Were these doctors from the Shire? Like I brought the fish, the Levenses. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You're supposed to have like one major meal and then small snacks throughout the day. Right.
I don't know if you ever heard that. Oh yeah. No, I did. I think your mom was onto that for a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like literally the road to type two diabetes because your blood sugar never drops. And obviously you become insensitive to sugar. If you always have high blood sugar, it makes sense. I'm not a doctor, but it makes sense. Yeah. I mean, a lot of things make sense if you think about them hard enough, which a lot of people don't like to do. I'm not trying to call people out.
I'm just saying like, you know, do some research every once in a while is fine. But the only do good research. Don't do like Facebook research. One of my favorite jokes of all time is a Jimmy Dore joke. And it goes, people were making fun of me for doing my own research. What that really means is they're making fun of me for being a reader. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, yeah, of course that's you're a reader now. What are you reading? Loser. Intermittent fasting.
The pros are many diet dieters find it easier to not eat during parts of the day rather than following portion control and calorie restrictions all of the time. And a small amount of research suggests that fasting may lower blood pressure, blood sugar and cholesterol levels.
And then the cons are that it might limit your intake of vitamins and minerals and it's effective for weight loss, but there's not a whole lot known about like longterm health effects or how easily people can stick to that kind of diet. Yes. And again, disclaimer, the standard American diet is literally the worst thing you can do for your body ever. It's horrible. Yeah. I mean, it's terrible. I don't know if it's more terrible than being in like a country that has rampant starvation.
No, it's the exact opposite, right? Like all the American diseases are diseases of excess, which our diet, the standard American diet generally pushes, right? Like a box of macaroni and cheese is not a healthy dinner, right? So it's delicious. It's delicious, but it is not good for you. Well, and it's funny because like I never really thought about it. If you go like, oh, I'm going to go have like Italian. Well, what do you get?
You get like a huge fucking plate of like spaghetti and you get breadsticks and it's like, well, I'm just eating like all the carbs then. You know what I mean? Right. With sugar and fat. Yeah. Yeah. Sugar, fat and salt mixed together is just an addictive concoction, right? Yeah, of course. Not good. So this next one, I know my dad did this one. This is the Paleo diet.
So this is named for the Paleolithic era wherein humans obtained food by hunting and gathering instead of by farming and processing. This diet emphasizes lean meats, fish, vegetables, fruits and nuts. And I had thoughts on this one because I was thinking about this one when we were talking about doing this episode Paleolithic. And now I read like the dawn of everything and I read Indian givers.
And I think we briefly talked about Indian givers on the show where like the potato was native to the Americas and maize was native to the Americas and tomatoes were native to Americas. So when you're thinking about like Paleolithic era, I don't I'm not you're more up to speed on the history stuff. Were there Paleolithic humans in the Americas at that time? Yes there were. Also maize and corn in the modern sense are not the same thing, right? And tomatoes are not the same thing.
So that's why something like an heirloom tomato exists because we've genetic we've it's not genetically modified. It's just through breeding over hundreds of years we have propagated certain properties, which is usually high sugar content. Yeah and all bananas are clones. But I did want to mention one thing and the reason why I called it maize instead of corn is because corn is a designation of your country's main exported grain or whatever.
So corn flakes here are different than corn flakes in the UK. So our big crop is corn or maize people call maize and corn in England is wheat. That's their big export. So when you say corn in the UK, it means wheat. It does not mean maize. I did not know that. That is yeah and I didn't know that until I until I did a one month long internship in London and they don't they don't call it like so anything that was corn was wheat. So corn flakes would be like our wheaties right.
And then corn flakes there would be like maize flakes or something. So it's just is a slight differential but it's like an economic agricultural term not talking to a specific grain or plant but whatever that country exports the most of. Sure that's interesting. I did not realize that. But yes so that was my thought with the paleo diet was well what paleo era humans was it all paleo era humans because if you're talking like my paleo diet is from the from Europe.
Well then you're not eating potatoes right. You know what I mean. But or modern tomatoes or modern corn or modern wheat like US wheat at least for sure. Yeah. But I think it's more what in spirit right than actually being specifically tied to a certain region or whatever. Yeah facts are not necessary. Yeah of course not. So the pros are the paleo diet successful weight and appetite reduction and there's some positive impact on heart health. The cons are limited by cost and food availability.
It's expensive because the less processed something is the more expensive it is for some reason. I'm sure there's no foul play in there whatsoever. But but that's how it is a box of mac and cheese costs way less than like one apple and then it also restricts certain food groups such as dairy products fiber rich whole grains and some legumes like beans and peas. So the diet may have long term negative effects based on nutritional balance.
And I think we're going to find that a lot in some of this stuff where it's like nutritional balance is kind of out of whack. Not that not that the nutritional balance of the average American meal is where it needs to be. But have you tried any of these by the way. Yeah of course. Oh OK. I've done keto. I did like the shitty keto where you try all the weird keto foods and you can lose weight. It's very hard to keep it off. Yeah I've tried certain levels of intermittent fasting.
Those who've seen me know that I'm overweight for sure. My weight has fluctuated. I have a hard time with that largely because I like the shitty American foods. You know it's just hard to resist. You know yeah I my weight fluctuates too and I feel like I might be the heaviest I've ever been but I kind of like when I'm stressed I tend to eat you know. I don't know that I don't I feel fat but I don't think that I really look fat because I'm so tall but I just I feel like I'm overweight. Oh sure.
That's body. You don't look fat to me my friend but that's a matter to you. You know I have a you to me. Well thanks buddy. I don't have any issues with blood sugar fortunately but I do have borderline blood pressure usually typically because I spend a lot of my time being pissed off I think and I'm overweight you know. Yeah the piss off might have more to do with it. I think the piss off might have more to do with it.
I have a very I have a lot of stress in my job and I have for years different careers obviously but I tend towards the higher stress career paths for some reason. So it's just a lot of anxiety generally but right now I'm trying to control my sugar intake and I've pretty much switched to just one meal a day because largely eating one meal a day is easier for me socially with my job. Yeah. I just eat dinner with my spouse right.
And so that's nice and then I don't have to worry about eating through the day. I just just it's not an issue because I'm always busy all day long. Yeah. And trying to lower my sugar intake helps with not eating during at lunch. You know I haven't ate breakfast on any regular basis for years. Like I don't know 15 years maybe even longer than that.
Like I never really ate breakfast so I kind of always did the intermittent fasting I guess but not not eating lunch obviously helps with lowering the calories and just eating dinner and being done with it you know. And I've been doing that for a while and I've lost weight a lot of weight actually. That's good. Slow and steady wins the race right.
A lot of these diets the sustainability of it is what's important and you know a lot of these ones so far have said well nobody knows if you can do this for a long time without like health risks if you're severely limiting one thing over the other thing.
And what I found when I lost the most weight myself was when I was really active with the portion control because your stomach kind of stretches out and if you have one big meal then your next meal you want to be as big for whatever you know for whatever reason I don't know all the medicine behind it or the science behind it. But if you can do the portion control I feel like that's an easily sustainable thing.
Whereas saying well I can't eat this because it's not keto or I can't eat that because it's not paleo or I can't like some of that stuff it's like if you want to shed weight that's fine but you also have to have that continual plan in place then because it's not just about losing the weight one time then you have to keep it off too.
And that's where a lot of these things I think and I don't know for sure but because I've never really like actively tried to diet other than like I know I need to lose weight so I'm going to try and eat less food each meal. Sure so for me. Which I guess is a diet but. Right for me I struggle with portion control for sure. Which is where like controlling my drinking comes into it because you know I can go and drink four or five beers bowling but that's a thousand calories right.
Like drinking four beers is borderline on a thousand calories. So if you do that twice a week you're not getting drunk at any point because it's spread out over three four hours. But now you just add it in an extra two thousand calories and that's not really sustainable over a lifetime unless you're cutting something else out you know.
Yeah well and every time I look at like one of these and we don't we I usually just drink coffee at home but every once in a while we go out and we get one of the like the caribou coffee like the coolers or whatever and you if you ever look at the nutritional values on those things it's like well there's my entire calorie intake for like the next two days. Oh yeah it's terrible. With one of those things and it's like how is this even legal to sell these things. Oh it's terrible.
And my Sarah used to work at caribou and she had this lady that would come in and there were two of those in the morning every morning like two of these like super large extra everything like and it's like how many calories is that every morning.
Right it's it's crazy you know and a lot of it has to do with schedule you know that lady might work 14 hours a day and it's really hard to make healthy decisions when you're doing that I know that when I was doing 13 days on a one day off I would buy pre-boiled eggs because I didn't have time to boil eggs at home. I just didn't feel like I had the time to boil eggs which is insane but that's just the life I was living at the time you know.
I was doing school I was working you know I was doing some crazy shit.
And I don't know I feel like a lot of this stuff is like it's all societal it's I don't know if it's really pressure but like of course there's societal pressure to work hard and do well at your job but these jobs shouldn't require health sacrifices you know it's one of those things where it's if the job really wanted good long-term workers they would build that lifestyle stuff in to where you would have time to do these things you know. Oh for sure.
They'll help you with that but they don't give two fucks and the society doesn't care because the people that are making tons of money every time somebody sneezes are making tons more money every time somebody buys a box of mac and cheese versus an apple or something.
Right I saw a study and it's been a while so the numbers aren't quite accurate but at professional jobs you get 13,000 calories a year in empty calories on average because of all the donuts and cookies and like muffins and shit like that that you get at the office you know.
And I can totally see that or pizza at you know lunch events or you know what I mean yeah and it's like 13,000 calories added up over years of time is a lot of time you know yeah that's a lot of calories and most of those jobs are sedentary you're sitting so they give you donuts and pizza and things and they make you sit at your desk for eight hours and you can't walk you can't stand you can't like leave your desk so it's like a double whammy.
Yeah and for me well this is just me like for the last year or so I've just been avoiding eating lunch because that typically means going to a restaurant which means you're eating 2,000 calories every time you know and that's just not sustainable that's what you should eat for a whole day. So it just makes my life easier and like I say I'm getting results my blood pressure's gone down and I'm losing weight so that's the manners.
Yeah and if you get cut down on the bitching out of 18 year olds I think your blood pressure might go back to normal. Yes other factors as well but yes.
Alright so the next one is the Atkins diet so that's it's similar I guess it's similar to the keto diet with its focus on burning fat it was modified in 2002 to the four phase new Atkins diet revolution and what it does is it eliminates food made with refined flour and sugar and it restricts whole grain foods until the final phase of the diet so and I think a lot of these like pre-packaged diets have phases where it's like the first week
you do this or the first couple weeks you do this and that and whatever. Right. I've never been on the Atkins diet I don't know if I've I don't think I've known anybody who's been on the Atkins diet. I have and it's a very effective way to lose weight it's very similar to the keto diet yeah because it's got a lot of gimmicky food that's all really low in sugar and high in fat and a lot of meat eating so yeah.
So the pros are it's effective for short term weight loss and it's easier to maintain than similar diets that limit fat intake. The cons are decreases your nutrient intake and studies have suggested that low carbohydrate diets are unlikely to result in long term weight loss and may lead to health problems and I think that's like a lot of these are kind of like see results in the first like three months and then they don't really care what happens to you after that.
I don't know for sure I'm not trying to like slam Atkins or anything like that but you know just like you got to if you want to lose a lot of weight you got to do something but then you have to also do something else after that like there's got to be a phase two to keep that weight off you know you can't just go back to regular eating afterwards because that's how you got in the trouble in the first place.
Right and like I say a lot of this stuff they're trying to maintain the standard American diet just with chemical processes that are slightly different so you lose weight and it's just it's not good for your body. No I am not a health expert but possibly just eating real foods and limiting your intake of processed foods is going to be the best bet long term.
Yeah and I think too if you don't want to get all sciencey and stuff well that's my term for like if you don't want to read the nutritional labels which is funny because so I'm type one diabetic and they always ask me if I want to speak to their nutritional expert and I'm like no get that person away from me because they're always like super preachy not always I mean that's like a generalization but in the past when I have talked with them
they've been like super preachy like well what are you eating I'm eating a fuck ton of food because our society is what our society is you know like it's like from the Joaquin Phoenix like Joker I live in a society or whatever so anyway. The next before you before you continue cigar check because I am halfish way I'm halfish way yeah very good cigar very smooth yes I like it medium bodied I like it a lot yeah this is a this is a good one.
Jewish states is usually pretty good I was really disappointed with those you remember but I don't what what the hell were they called the under grounds. Yeah I was really disappointed with those.
I don't know this one's fine it's good I can see this like playing golf right it's good yeah yeah yeah it's not insanely good but it's perfectly adequate yep I like it it's good it's been consistent yes sir all right the next diet is the Mediterranean diet and I know my wife's parents or my wife's mom was huge into this I think we've got a giant like all of these diet books for some reason are like a four inch spine or something and
it's like it's you don't like that's too difficult like you can you can make these things easier you don't have to but anyway we had like a printout for a while but anyway Mediterranean diet this diet follows the traditional eating habits and lifestyle in countries along the Mediterranean Sea but basically it's you focus on fruit vegetables whole grains beans nuts and heart healthy fats and you limit dairy red meat highly processed foods and sugars
and salts the pros are it's the most extensively studied diet to date and research shows it can have preventative and therapeutic impact on many chronic health conditions and it's especially popular among people who are interested in a healthy lifestyle and not just weight loss but the cons are it can be expensive to maintain yes calories from olive oil and nuts are not carefully watched those and other fatty foods in this diet may contribute to
weight gain so if you go too hard into it on certain aspects you might actually gain weight absolutely well it's all about calories not all about calories but ultimately you can't eat 3,000 calories a day you know you just can't no matter what they are that sounds like a challenge Mike and I'm gonna do it god damn it yeah and 3,000 calories come really quick if you're drinking two beers three beers you know yeah yeah well I will not tell you
what I have drink tonight yeah all right here's the next one I'm switching to a different website now I'm going to try and not repeat what we've already talked about this one's called the Blue Zones diet and I've never heard of it never heard of it okay so this one the pros so the Blue Zones diet I guess got its name in 2005 it's based on demographic research into regions where the author Dan Bootner found people live longer than average
so basically he did a study where he found people that live longer than average and then figured out what their diets were it emphasizes whole grains a handful of nuts a cup of beans and five to ten servings of fruits and vegetables daily it says no sugar sweetened beverages salty snacks packaged sweets or processed meats so the pros are a holistic approach to wellness that encompasses diet social connection and whole food plant-based diet and moderate
physical activity and it minimizes processed foods and sugars the cons are grains and legumes are not ideal for people with food sensitivities and it minimizes meat consumption which can fit into a balanced diet yes all right this next one and you mentioned this one to me I think before we started recording the carnivore diet yes so the carnivore diet is pretty simple you just eat animal foods some carnivores will allow coffee dairy and animal fats while
others are meat only basically it's a zero carb diet which can increase your risk of digestive issues and thyroid problems long term but you're not eating fruits and vegetables so you're missing out on some of that stuff too yeah you have to eat a lot of liver and brains and other shit like that to get all your vitamins that's how he says brains I think of the scene from Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom with the jello monkey brains
oh yeah awful right like well the the car the issues with the carnivore diet is that a lot of our vitamin intake is from leafy green vegetables green veggies you know colorful vegetables yeah and you have to substitute then a lot of liver and lung and all these weird organs that are just not available generally in the United States yeah I think the problem with the carnivore diet is that we're omnivores or not carnivores and it's the same as the
pet owners that feed their cats only vegan food and then their cats are like so sick right yeah it's like people trying to feed their dogs like plant-based treats it's like look at your dog's teeth every single one of them are sharp they they want to eat flesh it's just the way it is so it's ugly but it's true yeah and so like it goes I think this one kind of goes against like nature or evolution or what have you so yeah it says it's easy
to follow for a pro you just eat meat so it's easy you just fucking eat meat and then the cons are it's extremely restrictive and zero carb is not sustainable all right the next one is DASH diet I don't know if you've heard of about that no I just thought of like I just thought of door dash when it said that but yeah I guess it's been around since the 90s and it says DASH it's an acronym which I love I've mentioned DASH stands for dietary
approaches to stop hypertension so it's designed to reduce blood pressure so the pros are to emphasize whole foods it reduces processed foods and sugar and it provides easy guidelines to apply to your everyday meals so far that doesn't sound too crazy no so the cons though it says it allows artificial sweeteners in moderation limits saturated fats altogether I guess there's an extra hyperlink here that says read why that's a problem and then it
says it's not really ideal for people with food sensitivities but I don't know I feel like this one is maybe more positive than any of the others we've read about so far so the DASH diet I guess if you have high blood pressure Mike it might not might not be a bad thing to look into the DASH diet again I'm not a doctor so right I am not a doctor either but I guess that I have been consuming a modified version of that I'm like
lazy about it I'm not like doing any sort of counting of anything I'm not interested in that but yeah it's funny I'm not really interested in that either but I have to kind of count carbs to get myself insulin and I do but I kind of like I have a trouble like estimating the portion sizes that I'm eating you know so until I can get like if I can point my camera and be like on my phone like here's what I'm eating just tell me I just
won't know because it's too it's difficult you know like it's I know it's not really that difficult people do it all the time but it's like an added step so I think a lot of the issues it's kind of like using a diet app like new or something you have to make it like a hobby and it's not an enjoyable hobby so people don't stick to it you know what I mean like just enjoy yourself it's laborious is what it is right try to be responsible
the majority of the time right yeah like we've hung out in the last year and it's not like I'm like restricting what I'm eating or anything like that but on days where I'm just going to work and coming home and doing that it's like maybe I should have some you know some broccoli with maybe some chicken breast or something yeah yeah yeah not not not get crazy right well for me like I said earlier it's like it's the portion sizes like I just eat
a lot but I know if I just didn't eat as much as I eat I would lose weight you know so I don't know right and adults used to smoke cigarettes and we don't anymore and I think a lot of that has been replaced with eating which is why our lung cancer rates have gone down but our obesity rates have gone up because people cope you know cigarettes like an appetite suppressor absolutely yep yes they are all right you ready for this next one yes the
picture looks like a lot of salad so this one's called the Dukan diet D u k a n the Dukan diet is a high protein low carb diet it was developed in 2000 there's four phases that promote rapid weight loss without making you feel hungry primarily by emphasizing high protein meals and keeping carbs low enough to put you in ketosis and each phase has its own rules about what to eat and everything but I guess there's a lot of guidelines for
each phase but the pros are it's designed to help you shift into ketosis it encourages eating more protein which helps you feel full helps you feel full cons eating too much protein over an extended period of time can kick you out of ketosis and increase other health conditions and strict guidelines may not be ideal for people who have a negative relationship with food right a lot of these seem like gimmick diets that we're covering yeah I was hoping
the South Beach South Beach diet would come in here and maybe I don't know anything about the South Beach diet I thought it was you just drank this like shake thing from South Beach giant and then that was good okay and Weight Watchers is gonna come yeah I was gonna say that all right so this next one's the gluten free diet yes basically for people will see like Z's and I've read and I don't know because I'm not a scientist but it's
not really the gluten it's the other stuff but I guess things with gluten tend to have more of this thing anyway but it's not really the gluten see and I've read that because we have genetically modified wheat modern wheat has higher gluten in it than it used to have and that does affect people not like celiac level but our bodies are not capable of processing all that wheat gluten that's in like chips and you know sugary garbage
stuff that we eat sure pros are it eliminates gluten protein found in wheat grains of barley and there's been some gluten-free beer I've seen so you know they're certainly doing that and it's more accessible now because there's growing popularity in gluten-free foods cons are it's not an inherently healthy way to manage weight it requires extra care to avoid gluten contamination so if you really do have celiac you don't need you can't kind of kind
of any gluten and then it's very difficult to manage if you're eating out oh yeah for sure this next one looks interesting because it's a picture of a whole bunch of pills so I'm sure this one's good it's called the HCG diet never heard of it the HCG diet makes big claims without a lot of substance the site is unsafe and HCG products are illegal it recommends limiting your calorie intake to just 500 calories per day for an extended
period of time which can slow down your metabolism interfere with your body's natural process and makes you feel lousy this reminds me of oh god it's one of my favorite films this reminds me of the matrix no requiem for a dream oh okay where the the mother of Jared Leto Bernstein phenomenal phenomenal performance from her she's taken uppers and downers because she wants to lose weight because she is convinced she's going on a game show on TV and she takes
all of these pills and then it's it's crazy so the pros are it allegedly leads to rapid weight loss the cons it says here is literally everything over-the-counter HCG products are banned by the FDA so this seems like a diet you can't even follow anymore without being I guess illegal so I don't know why that's even on there but I guess it was a diet at one point the next one is the low FODMAP diet F O D M A P diet another great acronym for
you yes and it is an acronym catch good catch FODMAPs fermentable oh my god jesus christ I see why it's a acronym fermentable oligosaccharides disaturides monosaccharide and poly polyols all right are carbohydrates that can cause the gist of the stress in some people if you've ever felt bloated after eating wheat legumes high fructose fruits like apples or milk you may benefit from a low FODMAP diet so basically the pros are providing relief for people to
the digestive concerns and it limits common triggers for food intolerances intolerances such as gluten and dairy cons it's not really a diet but more of an eating pattern and it takes two to six weeks of strict adherence to take effect and it's best done with a doctor's support sure I've never heard of that one no this next one's called the master cleanse it's also known as the lemonade diet the master cleanse is a way to lose water weight by only
drinking liquids and laxative for at least 10 days hey that sounds fun oh my god let's do that why not just not eat anything and drink water you know like why add extra steps all right so you know like episodes salts right yep so you put them in a bath and it like makes your skin feel good but on the back of the on the back of the like the bag it's like you could also be used as a laxative and so one time my Sarah was like oh I'm all
like gunked up I gotta do like I'm gonna do the laxative episode salt thing and she did the thing on the back of the thing and she like shit for like three days that was like the worst ever do it over a long weekend is what you're saying yeah I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure my wife is super thrilled I'm talking about that right now so the pros of this diet the master cleanse is that it's simple you just drink lemonade and laxatives for 10 days
oh my god anyway the cons are it's not sustainable because you shit everything out and then it's extreme caloric restriction and it increases your stress hormones so like your body knows when you're being like fucked up right right that's insane oh yeah that's funny I'm gonna recommend that one to anybody who says how can I lose weight I just drink laxative for 10 days straight yeah there's just drink water and laxative you will lose weight I guarantee
it not a doctor but yeah fuck all right this next one's called the mono diet it's called the monotropic diet it involves eating just one type of food for an undefined period of time it was popularized in 2014 but there's I guess there's been people that have followed this throughout history and they're usually branded eccentric it's dangerously restrictive it increases your risk of nutrient deficiencies so yeah a lot of people do potatoes they like
to bake potatoes or like whatever yeah yeah all right the next one is Nutri system it's a convenient way to have prepared pre-portioned meals delivered to your door so it's one of those like you know made to order things the pros are it's convenient all meals are delivered to your doorstep and the structure format takes the guesswork out of the weight management but the monthly the cons are the monthly cost and it's not ideal for people with food allergies
or sensitivities because you just get what they give you and it makes eating out difficult because you're supposed to eat your pre-packaged meal from the subscription service right right this one's called a pegan diet that sounds almost as made up as some of the what is it the lgbtq flags we read about that i had the same thought well that's why we're we're doing a podcast together i guess oh good i'm gonna you know what this is gonna be my favorite
sentence i've read ever i think at least on the podcast pagan part paleo part vegan the pegan diet was created by dr hyman in 2014 dr mark hyman primarily a plant-based whole food style of eating minus the beans and whole grains but allows for some meat fish and eggs but you're also going to be avoiding dairy you go 75 percent veggies and fruits and meat is the side not the main course so it combines the whole food principles of vegan with the
omnivore benefits of paleo and it eliminates processed foods and common allergy triggers like gluten and legumes cons are nuts and seeds contain phytic acid and anti-nutrient that can cause sensitivities so i don't know why it would be like part vegan if you're also still eating meat and thing but i think it's avoiding uh like milk and dairy products in general yeah right so the vegetarians will consume dairy products some consume eggs and
of course the vegans are no animal product which is just as kind of against our nature as paleo seemingly you know yeah yeah like we have sharp teeth in the front of our face for a reason uh yeah well and um the vegans sometimes i know excited when in in college or the vegetarians will do egg whites but not the egg yolks a lot that seems like not based on any sort of health thing i mean i never said it was yeah no i know i know i
know they sell like a carton of egg whites right yes grocery store and so i'd have to get that and then she also uh ate this like i don't know if it was really the plant-based but it was like this plant-based bacon but she had to put so much on it to make it like palatable but i always called it faken and she and she hated me for it and that's probably why we broke up but it was terrible it tasted like cardboard and it's like if you put enough
butter on cardboard of course it tastes good but not really my sarah got a jug of egg white a while back for some reason she had a very specific reason for it she used whatever portion for whatever purpose she had and then it sat in there until it just got thrown away like i don't know why anybody would get that we get farm eggs uh yeah and uh they're wonderful anybody who can get farm eggs please do they are significantly different than a store-bought
egg uh at least in my opinion not everybody thinks that but i do well it's based in science too um partially because well if you get a true egg like a farm egg yeah it does not have to be refrigerated no they do not but if you get a store-bought egg it has to be refrigerated because they run them through like the bleacher or the sanitizer and it takes away layers of the shell to get rid of the the the chicken poop and it means that
it has to be refrigerated because it loses that structural integrity of the shell yes so i don't know it's it's weird anyway america does not want you to be healthy that i think that's the point of the episode i mean basically you don't want to eat mcdonald's every day that's for damn sure well yeah or a quick trip uh in this region you know i got i got so sick off of uh uh like a gas station i don't know like a burrito or something i got
like such bad food poisoning that i i refuse to eat anything from a gas station that isn't like a bag of chips that's been like dude i cannot tell you a lie uh during like the first six months of covet i was very concerned right so i basically didn't want to go grocery shopping so i basically ate a quick trip exclusively for like six months and i gained 45 pounds in six months from eating at quick trip yeah and on them like in hindsight i was like what
an idiot you know like yeah just get it delivered to your vehicle at the grocery store and go through the extra steps or go into the grocery store you know what a moron we all make stupid decisions you know i don't know that the food delivery and stuff was really a thing and it wasn't where i live yeah it wasn't where i lived at you know now it is but yeah now it is it wasn't even really here at very at the very outset of that you know what i mean
like the very the first uh first few months anyway everybody had to shift all right this next one is the plant-based diet i don't know how that's different than veganism or whatever but it says here uh humans have kind of always followed a plant-based diet early humans are opportunistic omnivores so you're upping your overall plant intake and avoiding or minimizing animal foods yes so many different diets fall under this like raw food vegetarian vegan
and mediterranean and flexitarian oh god flexitarian so i read uh the china study which if okay people haven't it's very interesting uh read it was a 25 year uh case study in china and it tracked the diets and the health outcomes of chinese people yep and it supports like a plant-based largely plant-based diet as being healthier okay it didn't track other trends like smoking and drinking and processed foods and sure other seriously important factors you know but they found that eating a largely
plant-based diet is healthier yeah which makes sense you know because if you think about a meal right like should your meal be mostly vegetables with some meat or mostly meat with no vegetables and should those vegetables be potatoes or should they be you know cauliflower or collard greens or you know kale or something yeah you know i'm guessing that uh the majority kimchi uh with a small amount of extra is better for you than like a pound of uh generous
those chicken and like some rice you know yeah so says the pros eating mostly plants means you're eating fewer processed foods there's no limitations you just up your plant intake and you don't have to completely eliminate animal food the cons are that a plant-based diet still needs to be balanced you carbs fats protein uh not fruit all day refined grains added sugars of vegan fast food or plant-based but not necessarily healthful
and some people have sensitivities to popular plant-based sources like the next one is the primal diet have you heard of the primal diet no but i'm sure it's some gimmick i mean to an extent most of these are you know i don't know maybe it may be what we currently eat is a gimmick too oh it definitely is definitely a gimmick by big sugar i thought like early empire was all based on sugar production right like this slave trade was based almost entirely
on producing sugar for europe uh and other spices so anybody who wants to say the sugar is not an addiction well the slave trade existed for sugar so i don't know what that would mean other than addiction yeah and anyone who wants to say sugar is not an addiction you try cutting out your mocha frappi a lot of a lot of chinos or whatever the fuck they're called and then you tell me if you're not addicted to them oh my sugar or my sarah my sugar my sarah
went through sugar withdrawals i mean she is your sugar she is my sugar yeah she went through sugar withdrawals and i've gone through sugar withdrawal like just cutting out like going from the quick trip diet to like trying to eat healthy i went through sugar withdrawal like immediately like i could feel it you know so the uh the primal diet it's similar to the paleo uh it emphasizes eating whole foods restricting grains and sugar and it also takes cues from what our ancestors
would have eaten unlike the paleo diet the primal diet allows full fat dairy legumes and night shades in moderation and only if you tolerate them so the pros are it allows a variety of high quality whole foods and it minimizes processed foods but the cons are like other diets you got to pay attention to how you feel after you eat these potentially inflammatory foods and i was going to say like the other thing about like what our ancestors would have eaten their lifespan was
not what our lifespan is i'm not saying it's it's all the food but you know sometimes having good food is good you know right people people romanticize the past yeah 200 years ago the child mortality rate was 50 so we've definitely we don't live in the same world so it's not really relevant data yeah all right this next one i don't know that i'm gonna like because i don't like picture uh it's called the raw food diet oh i've heard of that so proponents of the raw food diet
believe that cooking food destroys its vitamins and nutrients that's true that some nutrients are lost when certain foods are cooked but cooking can also make food easier to to digest reduce anti-nutrients and even make certain nutrients more available most foods in this diet are plant based and never heated above a certain temperature it's not all raw broccoli and care sticks raw foodists use devices like high-powered blenders and dehydrators to prepare their meals which means
you can still eat foods like smoothies dried fruits and butters but please don't eat raw chicken that seems like a gimmick as well yeah so pros you're going to eat a lot of plant-based foods i don't know how that's a pro but sure uh eating more fiber promotes uh say say s a t i e satiety satiety so you feel fuller longer cons are eating raw or minimally heated foods may increase your risk of foodborne illnesses please cook your food all the way do not eat raw chicken uh it's
inconvenient especially if you're getting out uh just bring me the raw steak please uh and may be difficult to eat enough of your daily calories and here's the one i wanted to talk about finally the south beach diet the south beach diet emphasizes food with a low glycemic index or foods that have minimal impact on bullet sugar levels it's also broken down into phases even though it's a low carb diet it's not uh not intended to put your body in ketosis so the
pros are it encourages mindful eating a lower carb style of eating may help you enter ketosis and it includes convenient options like an app and prepared meal options but the cons are the costs associated with it because you have to buy their products you can get keto flu symptoms during the first phase that sounds great sign me up for the keto flu please and prepared meal options are not always ideal for people with food sensitivities because you just get what they give
you so now here's one it's called the slow carb diet have you heard of this one i have not this one's developed by the author tim ferris and he's written some stuff i think i read one of his books but of course like you have to get into the like the diet stuff right to make money i guess uh so this one came out in 2010 the slow carb diet claims to promote rapid weight loss by following a six days on one day off structure you eat unlimited amounts of food from a certain list
then you have one day a week to eat whatever you want does it restricts food like white carbohydrate which eliminates rice or fine flour and bread and fruit which is high in fructose so pros eating the same meals the same few meals reduces decision fatigue it allows one day week to eat whatever you want cons having the one cheat day may encourage binging behavior and it's difficult to follow in social situations absolutely i do have a note for a cigar i'm getting flaking on the cap oh like i'm
getting some uh leaf coming off the outside of the cigar oh i am not which i'm getting i have like about an inch inch and a half something like that okay yeah i'm about there maybe a quarter inch behind you but i'm not getting any flaking but my last cigar like i mentioned kind of started to unravel but mine also just went out so i'm gonna have to relight i've relit this one twice i think okay but i've also been talking so i'm not sure if it's the cigar just me and my smoking but right
all right this next one we're getting near the end here now uh this next one's called the zone diet i mean most of these i haven't heard of uh the zone diet is designed to promote hormonal and anti-inflammatory benefits by putting your body in a physiological state called the zone so that sounds like bullshit to me but uh to get there you eat about 40 percent carbs 30 protein and 30 fat with every meal you also restrict grains and starches so the pros are it minimizes
consumption of grains and starches and it reinforces the importance of omega-3 fatty acids uh the cons are it discourages food high in saturated fat even though grass-fed red meat coconut oil and grass-fed butter can support a balanced diet but eating every five hour mitigates benefit of intermittent fasting and it encourages low calorie consumption this next one we didn't talk about the vegan diet yet did we we mentioned it we didn't discuss it yeah this next one is the vegan diet
i guess uh the word vegan was officially coined in 1944 but it's closely associated with vegetarianism you avoid all animal products pros are you fill your diet with plant-based foods uh growing popularity means it's easier to follow there's a lot of like every restaurant we go to has the the v in the little circle for vegan right so it's not difficult to do uh but the cons are eliminating all animal foods without adjusting your diet may increase your risk of nutrient
deficiencies and it's not inherently healthy so you still need to make sure you're getting enough macronutrients and micronutrients so from what i've heard a lot of people on vegan on a vegan diet or a vegetarian diet even still need need to up their uh vitamin intake to make sure they're getting all the stuff they still need right it's like a not it's a diet that's available because of modern science it's not something that your body wants naturally no uh the next one's
vegetarianism um i don't know we need to like uh you know i guess it says here historic roots so practiced by uh pathoric uh patharagus sorry pathagoras yeah pathagoras there we go uh in ancient greece so you eat more plant-based whole foods it means you're getting more antioxidants and micronutrients and there's different styles of vegetarianism to suit your needs but the cons are eliminating meat without adjusting your diet may increase your risk for your deficiencies and
it's not inherently healthy many foods are technically vegetarian but they're not nourishing like refined grains and highly processed foods yes now here's the one you wanted to talk about is weight watchers yeah boy i don't know anything about weight watchers to be honest with you well i don't know either other than they've got like everything's got like a value right and you have you eat x number of like value like whatever the points are right i think so i don't
know i've never done it i don't know anything about it i've known some people that have been on it weight watchers teaches people how to apply healthy eating practices they've got in-person online coaching and it's easy to stay within your goals by checking the point values of different snacks and restaurant meals on the go so the pros are it's highly structured but it's flexible uh it's built in support system and designed to teach people how to maintain healthy habits
not just lose weight not just lose weight and then cons are there's a monthly cost depending on your program because you can go and subscribe to whatever it doesn't account for potential food sensitivities and the point structure may not be ideal for people with negative relationships with food uh the whole 30 diet it's uh it's less of a diet and more of an elimination framework to change your relationship to food you eliminate grains alcohol so that's right out for me sugar
legumes and dairy for 30 days and you instead focus on eating nourishing whole food based meals hence the whole 30 name at the end of 30 days you can stick to the plan's principles while you return to your regular diet and hop back on to the whole 30 when you want so i guess at least it accounts for you might not want to do the thing for the whole time so you've got the uh the pros you eliminate foods that commonly contribute to food sensitivities popularity means it's easy to find
recipes and whole 30 compliant ingredients and there's extensive uh online support the cons are requires to get better to go cold turkey at least for the first 30 days and it can be difficult to balance eating out and cooking whole 30 meals requires planning and time it does it does uh what is your cooking schedule in your week what does that look like uh when i need to eat i cook and then i eat but i mean what do you mean well like so when i lived alone i tried to prep all
my meals on like sunday and then they would either be already cooked or prepped so i could cook them like you do in a restaurant and i've been trying to get back into that because i cook most of the meals we eat at home yes yes yeah it's easy to fall out of that habit the cooking yeah yeah go ahead oh just because i do a majority of the cooking we've experimented with a lot of different things we did we used to do a lot of like uh freezer meal prep so we would get all
these recipes for freezer meals and then we would spend like two hours on a weekend or something like prepping all these freezer meals and then all you'd have to do is like toss them in the slow cooker or whatever you have to do and then go from there and we kind of have gotten away from that and now we kind of like if we have enough food to make meals for the week we just kind of do those it's a little more lackadaisical now it's a little tougher to manage with our current like schedule
and everything but we're also trying to like settle into like the schedule but i know that it's better for us to have a plan of what we kind of want to eat for the week when we go grocery shopping instead of like saying what do we want to eat tonight and then going out and getting the groceries for that and then coming back and doing it because we end up spending a lot more on groceries if we don't have a plan than if we do have a plan but we don't really do much meal prep
other than we know that if we do tacos one night we'll have enough meat left over to do like quesadillas or nachos another night so sure yeah yeah and i try to do like sunday i try to do all my slicing and dicing get everything into containers throw it in the fridge i cook what i can and then i try to have a mixture of stuff i can mix together and make a meal and not have to do any cutting and then also stuff i can just throw into the microwave or into the air fryer and heat it up and be done
yeah depending on what we're doing do you do a lot of manual chopping yeah i enjoy uh working on a cutting board yeah so we do a lot of manual chopping though we do have a food processor which i wish we would use more because like it's real quick and easy it takes a lot of like the laborious time consuming stuff out of it but also it's like kind of a pain to clean so i'd like to do a lot of stuff in it to use it you know what i mean right yes i do as a side note i have like
three quarters of an inch of my cigar left and it's very good at the end uh in my opinion but it's getting very hot yeah it's getting hot i'm um i don't know i gotta be like an inch and a half left and it's it's hot but it's still good yes do we have any more diets or are we finally cashed that's it man or cash in the diets perfect what are your thoughts on all the diets common theme is to eliminate processed food which basically means don't eat the standard american diet yeah
which is hard you know especially if you're working out in the world you know and you want to eat a lunch and you didn't bring one yeah yeah and a lot of it seems to be like a lot of the cons are like this is difficult to do if you're eating out and so i think like another common theme is maybe don't eat out a whole lot because it's not super healthy it's definitely not even if you're going to like a sit-down restaurant they still are putting tons of salt in that you know and butter oh way more
than you would uh at home for sure oh yeah i cooked at restaurants for a decade and you would never make food like that at home ever uh with the butter and the salt and the sugar like just throwing sugar in you know the mashed potatoes at the restaurant are so good because they mix in potato and then they throw in a lot of salt and a lot of butter and then they put in potato flakes to thicken it up that's why it's so thick and fluffy because they add in fake potato flakes to like
fill the body oh okay yeah yeah like you wouldn't do that at home most likely absolutely not yeah right i did do something like and this is this is oh man uh i had a co-worker and he loved to eat and he would say oh yeah this is total uh fgm that's total fgm and uh that's an acronym but it stands for fat guy move so i did a whole fat guy move the other day and i was like oh yeah so my daughter wanted uh mac and cheese and i was like sure yeah let's do mac and cheese and we
bought this big fucking big cosco bag of uh real bacon bits you know what i mean like just bacon bits in a bag like bacon bits so i've been having like bacon bits on everything right so like yeah yeah okay we'll do we'll do like mac and cheese just to grab mac and cheese and we'll do bacon bits and like you know what i'm gonna try and like one up this so like i boiled this mac and cheese but i put chicken bouillon in the water to boil the mac and cheese noodles or the noodles
right and so it's like salty chickeny noodle taste with the cheese and the bacon bits it's a total fat guy move it's good oh yeah well every time i make mac and cheese at home i add extra cheese for sure yeah yeah i yeah i still think like with all the diets and everything i think the biggest thing in america probably is just the portion size i mean and the processed food and stuff but like portion size alone like if you look at the portion size like like one box of mac and cheese is
supposed to feed like three or four people one box and it's like oh well if more than two of us are eating it is two boxes for sure like that's that's crazy talk you know and you go out to these you go out to these restaurants and it's like you get this plate and the plate weighs like five pounds and you're like well i'm paying for this i'm gonna eat the whole thing and it's full of salt and butter so of course i'm gonna want to eat the whole thing and then you're like oh i want an appetizer
and i want dessert too and i'm gonna have two three beers you know like no wonder like no wonder so yeah even going out to eat once a week can throw your diet off and you're gonna gain weight you know you're just going to unless you're extremely active yeah i mean that and that's the one thing like most of these diets never mentioned was like bump up your activity like get on the get on the bike or elliptical or whatever like go for a walk but that's the whole
thing is like a diet alone isn't going to do it for you long term like you also have to you have to have what you can can maintain and you need to be more active especially if you've got a desk job you know even if you're home with a desk job you still need to kind of get up you got to move you got to do stuff and i don't do enough of it like that's part of it right and a standing desk i don't think is going to do it alone no the standing desks are big now but yeah and they're nice um but
you still got to be active you got to move you got to get that heart rate up every once in a while right i have a standing desk and i don't know if i've ever used it to stand so yeah maybe once well how often are you at the standing desk though once a week at most maybe once every two weeks so yeah it's it's difficult to watch largely sedentary is it no no it's not it's not uh out of every two weeks i do one day of paperwork usually yeah and uh it requires multiple computer
screens so standing up and it's just not really conducive to it to manage multiple windows all at the same time yeah my cigar is cashed by the way yeah so i'm about to put mine out i got all the way down to a half an inch it was good the end was the best part so yeah this one's this one's been good there's other ones uh that i have liked more uh at least recently like the hoia black and the uh cao consulier consigliere consigliere sorry but uh this one's this one's quite nice
it definitely makes up for the under crown so yeah i think so yes i think anything where jewer states will actually put their name on the cigar is probably better than one that they won't right right i think that's it for the episode everybody be safe have fun for listening get out of here go on be safe have fun thanks for listening