What is the NFL Combine?

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Thought it was fun seeing the Rams pull off victory. My co hosted d D kinkoball a little bums. I would imagine that Joe Burrow and his team didn't get

the w No. I mean, isn't my job as an impartial, unbiased reporter to just tell it like it is uh yeah, but you're you're around those guys like I would imagine the storylines just changed a little bit when well, sure, but you know, and I'll tell you covering what was it nine nine Bengals games this year and spending the time with them, great team, so fun, such wonderful energy. So you're just happy for a great game and great experience.

A heck of a halftime show, Mike, which this will be a whole other episode, but I shared a green room on Super Bowl Sunday with Snoop and his cohorts, so um yeah, I want to hear some of those stories that went down, and you're right, an epic halftime show, and I get to relive my college years and you know those aurists that was when fifty comes out? Are you kidding me? In the club? One of those songs? All right, well, look, you and I can you know, dork out about the halftime shows and we can go

down memory lane with some of these songs. We'll do that on another episode of NFL Explained. But no NFL games officially being played now for a little bit of time with the league on vacation. But there's something really cool about the NFL we got a lot of different moments throughout the year that give us something to talk about.

We've got NFL free agency in mid March, the NFL Draft, which all eyes will be on in April, and then before that we got the NFL Combine also starting in March, and today on the NFL Explained Pod, we're taking that deep dive into the history of the NFL Combine, one of my all time favorite events. Let me tell you so, the Combine, and we'll probably get into this at some point, Mike, but there is consideration to move the Combine out of Indianapolis, which would really and truly make me shed a tear.

One of the things that's so phenomenal about Indianapolis is that everything is within walking distance, and you're all right there Lucas Oil Stadium, in all these hotels and a ton of restaurants and bars and everything. And what happens at the come line is that every single team's scouting department and assistant coaches and head coaches and gms and

agents and everybody is in town for this week. While the hundreds of future NFL prospects are all showing off every piece of why they are potential NFL players from on the field to off the field to all of that. And so it's just this tremendous chance to catch up with people not in the midst of the season, but outside of the season and hang out on a personal level and as you just said, get to know the guys that will populate the league as we move forward.

All right, give me a handle here, give me a better sense of of actually what's happening for the players during the week of the combine. Okay, So they'll take medical tests, they'll do team interviews. Some of them are kind of at the train station, which is super super quick, you know, you get maybe five minutes, and then some of them are intense and they'll have been in hotel suites or rooms and go through kind of being put on the board. There's on field drills that show their

athletic abilities as well as their mental abilities. And you have to be invited to Indy. So it's obviously a very lite group. How do you get that invite, Mike. It's an anonymous committee that's made up of executives from all thirty two NFL teams player personnel departments. There are directors from the National Football and Blessed scouting services that

are also there. And here's a little random tidbit, because our show is so good at random tidbits, right, blessed O, which I'm sure you've heard, right, you've heard blessed O. Have you ever wondered what BLESSO stood for? Mike, Yes, yes, I am here to tell you. It is for the Lions, Eagles and Steelers talent organizations. And then the Bears joined

and that made it Blessedo. So it was LESTO Lions, Eagles, ste Allers Talent Organization LESTO, and then the Bears joined in nineteen sixty four and it became the less Sto Bears. Oh my, that's right. Blesso does sort of have a good little ring to it. I think the other thing, Addy is when a lot of these teams Blessed Scouts however you want to describe it, they're assessing some of

these players like it's not an exact science. And I think it is important to sort of go back here because we've chronicled in a lot of ways the history of the NFL how teams got their names, and encourage people to go back to listen to some of our previous episodes but I think if you have listened to it, you'd realize that the league has actually been around for over a hundred season. But the NFL Combine didn't start until the great year of nineteen one. You know why

it's a great year? Hello? Alright, so blessed o the National Football Scouting Like they gathered players in Indianapolis for those medical tests, no team interviews or on field activities were actually conducted at that point. Nowadays, the players should do in the interviews the drills, and it's the reason why we only have records for what the players have actually performed in those drills since two thousand three also another great year because that was the year that I

graduated college. So in nineteen eighty two, the National Invitational Camp, which was the official name for the NFL Scouting Combine, began with only a few teams participating. So the first National Invitational Camp was held in Tampa, Florida, with a hundred and sixty three players taking part. But during that time, other camps actually started to pop up until one all twenty eight teams with the goal of splitting the cost

of all the medical exams, got on board. So I was talking about the dollars right, That to me makes sense to sort of streamline things well. And I think that the medical tests are incredibly important because you want some sort of consistency right to some degree, every team wants its own physicians to check out every player, but that's just not feasible. So you want to make sure that the players are healthy enough to compete at a

high level. So every position group is in Indie for four days, and three of the four days are spent on medical testing and interviews, and only one of the days is about on the field workouts. And now part of that is because obviously the tape is the tape, the film shows what it shows, and an on field workout is not nearly as valuable as this other sort of intensive examination. It's a good point, especially when you consider the amount of money that's going to be invested

in a lot of these individuals. To have some sort of consistency on the medical testing and then to get to just know some of these players is really important. So that official combine, by the way, has been held in New Orleans, uh it was eighty four and eighty six, Arizona in eighty five, and then last year obviously with

the cole COVID situation, the combine was canceled. But this year's combine, how about returns to Indianapolis for a thirty fifth time a d D which is pretty cool, well, which I already told you that it's my favorite place for it to happen. So I don't know if anybody in decision making capacity is stening to us right now,

but hey, I vote for Indie. I vote for a repeat to indian Especially after coming home from a Super Bowl in l A. I would prefer the combine in Indy to l A. But that's a whole other conversation, Mike, So let's get into it, like what actually happens, Like what are teams looking into when they're trying to assess

who exactly they are drafting. There's obviously questions that range from testing football and playbook knowledge, and then of course getting to know players about the way they were raised and their passions and their general philosophies on life. All of that, and one of my favorite games is hearing the somewhat bizarre questions that are leaked and hearing from coaches what questions they are told they are not allowed

to ask, because that has happened too. Yeah, and actually it has changed a d D in a lot of ways because look, i mean sometimes you know, there's only so many things that you can ask a lot of these players but also keep them on. I've thinking a lot of these teams, even before they get into that interview room, are doing their own investigations and getting a better sense of some of these players, whether it's talking to former coaches, former players, just to sort of paint

the picture on what these guys can actually do. But there's there's so much on tape, right, Like you got the film on these guys, but it's now all about getting to know who that player is. So I'd love to get into some of these questions with you. You You wanna have a little bit of fun here on on some of these Sure, why not? There was a player who was asked, and that was Cam Newton. Would you rather be a cat or a dog? Add How would

you answer that question? Dog? Why? Um? Dogs are loyal and loving and offer a companionship in a way that cats are aloof I don't I'm trying to think of a very clean way to say this, but I just don't really love the idea of an animal that goes to the bathroom in the open in the house. Okay, that's fair. So there's that, and um, yeah, let's move on. All I was gonna say was, there's this one moment on NFL Network that I'll never forget watching a lot

of the coverage. Charles McCoy was actually asked you wear a jockstrap or a G string when you play, which to me is like an awkward thing to have to ask in like an interview setting. But he told the story on NFL Network and it was actually really hysterical, and it just got me thinking about all of these odd questions cat or dog or you know what kind of garments you wear? Like, to me, that's it's just different.

And I guess some of these teams feel like you can gather some sort of intel about someone's personality based off of how the answer those questions. Sure, and I do remember a assistant coach with a team telling me that the head coach had instructed this assistant coach he was not allowed to ask about a player's personal life

during an interview. So anything is game and not everything is game, which is maybe Mike part of why that In January of this year, the NFL sent a memo to remind teams that any club rep who displayed a disrespectful, inappropriate, or unprofessional conduct during the combine interviews with prospects could lead to teams losing a draft pick and also a fine of as much as a hundred and fifty thou dollars. And those inappropriate questions quote unquote include questions on race, religions,

sexual orientation, marital status, disabilities, national origin, etcetera. The memo also says, quote prospects are encouraged to report offensive conduct without retaliation. And we should also point out that the NFL eliminated one of my favorite tests, the Wonderlick. I mean, the wonder Like has been a very very telling test.

In fact, I just had a conversation with somebody about Josh Allen and how his Wonderlick score was significantly higher than some other quarterback prospects in his draft class and why that may be surprising but is so telling as we sit here and look four years later. Yeah, well no more wonder Look that is officially now in the rear view mirror. Have you ever taken one? No? I haven't. Have you I did? Yeah? I killed it? Oh so

that's the only reason why you brought it up. If you scored like really bad, you'd never asked me that question to bring that up. So never. But I'm an Ivy leaguer, you know, I didn't go to Fordham or anything. Oh, here we go. It's here's what I've learned about you Ivy leagueers. You guys there, there must be like this insecurity that you have that you always have to go and bring it up. I've been around enough of you

to know that that is the case. But I think a lot of us, if we're building a team, we'd of course want to know absolutely everything about a player. I think there's some that just sort of are fascinated by the forty yard dash dd the fastest man of combine in the forty Well, actually, I'll give you some time to think about that, because we'll get into that, plus explain why the forty yard dash records might actually be obsolete and why you hear the term hand size

more than you ever expected. That's still to come. And also one other note, we got a mail bag episode right around the corner. Feel free to fire off some of your burning questions at a King Kabwala at Mike Underscore. Yam, I've been compiling some of these questions that we've been getting over the last few weeks. A few months. Um Our malt last mail bag episode was really successful, so we thought we'd bring that back. So make sure you have a question you just don't know who to ask.

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on up work. When the world is your workforce, finding the perfect developer, designer, marketer, or whomever you may need becomes a whole it easier up work the world's work marketplace. Hey guys, welcome back to NFL. Explained Mike Yam and A. D. D. Kinkaballah with you, and before the break we talk a little bit about the history of the NFL Combine and I had mentioned some of the great performances, one in particular that I think everyone associates the combine with, and

that's that forty. Keep in mind we can only go back to two thousand three when they started to keep track of records. Over three hundred players eligible for the NFL Draft take the field to perform some of these drills in front of their coaches so they can display some of that athletic ability. The college that's sending the most players to Combine national champs not a shock here that Georgia Bulldogs. Man, those dudes looked fantastic, terrific, and

they were fast as hell on the football field. In the Natty they got fourteen dudes that are going That ties the record with Ohio State. But one of the premier drills, yes, it is the forty a d d the person who has the fastest forty time anyone come to mind. I do know this one actually, because of course he lived in the division that I call my wheelhouse, and that of course is John Ross out of Washington who ran a four to two. But here's the thing.

Speed doesn't necessarily translate into incredible football playing ability. Now for Chris Johnson, who ran an official four to four, it did. Obviously the running back was incredibly successful. But I also remember Dree Archer, who was with the Steelers for a while after running a four to six out of Kent State didn't too much. And then there was of course Marquis Goodwin who ran a four to seven out of Texas and competed for an Olympic birth too. Did he actually make the Olympics or was he just

a national champion? I think just the national champ if I'm not mistaken, didn't actually, but he did compete in an effort to try to make the Olympics, you know, um, And I'm with you there on that forty And we'll get into why it might be obsolete here in just the minute. But John Ross is a guy that I watched. I literally watched every one of his games when he was playing at Washington, and speed did kill the opponents when he was playing. There was some vivid memories that

I have at that speed. Do you remember this story about that forty time where he would have been gifted an actual island had he warned the right cleats at the combine? Do you remember? So? Yes, I do remember this, And it's like he missed out on the easiest thing. Was it superstition or was it comfort or ease or what was it that prevented him from So Adidas was going to give the fastest forty winner or time. They were going to give them an island, and John wore

Nike instead of Adidas, so that obviously wouldn't count. So we didn't get the island. He was asked about it, and John such a great kid, and he said, well, I don't swim anyway, which I thought was a great response to not getting getting the island. But um always

a ton of fun when he was on the football field. So, but you're right, like it's hard sometimes to use forty as a measuring stick in a barometer for NFL six US well, of course, because you know, as we run through the list of the fastest forty times ever, only running back Chris Johnson, who made the Pro Bowl three times, and wide receiver Dural Mathis who made the Pro Bowl once have actually been selected to sort of the exalted land of their profession, being the Pro Bowl as opposed

to the Super Bowl. I don't know, I don't know if that's saying the exalted land. Well, let's just say they have been the only ones that have been recognized as amongst the best at their positions. Yeah, is it just me? Or every time I see a forty I always think richis who has raised so much money for St. Jude over the how many years has it been now? Ten, fifteen years that he's been running the forty in his

suit and sneakers, fifteen years, handling business a D fifteen years. Yeah, but his fastest time, by the way, is a five point nine four. So I guess being fast doesn't necessarily equate success because he's about as successful as they come at our network. Right, Yeah, Look, I'm sure you've covered a bunch of pro days. I have as well. It's not just the forty that is used as a measuring stick or something that I think NFL teams are hoping

is at least a little predictor of success. Broad jump, three cones, drill, the vertical jump, the bench press, all different measuring sticks. To me, it's almost like a horse and pony show watching some of these guys, because physically they're so gifted, and to see some of these numbers a D it's jaw dropping. Well, and I think it's important beyond them numbers, just to explain why these drills are relevant, you know, Like when we talk about the forty mic, it's often well, when do you see a

guy really running forty yards? Right? Like? Why does a forty yard time matter for an offensive lineman who never Yeah, like a lineman never moves more than five yards, so why does the forty time really matter? I think it's a good idea to jump through. Like, okay, so the broad jump. You're never seeing anybody do a broad jump on a football field. Why does that matter? Because how far a player can jump is a good measurement for sort of their lower body explosiveness, which we know is

incredibly important. The three con drill assesses how fast a player can change direction, and you know that you want just about anybody on a football field to have a good change of direction. The vertical jump is a good indicator for lower body explosiveness from the ground up, and you know that might mean something different for a wide receiver who's trying the high point a ball versus a defensive lineman who's trying to block a pass or a

field goal, but still it's important. The bench press is, of course, all about strength, and it's always fun to see who can lift the most, and in some ways it's important, some ways it's not. The guy that's number two on the list is offensive lineman Mitch Petris. He did this in two thousand and ten at Arkansas, and I covered him with the new York Giants, but Mitch was never a full time long starter in the NFL. So there you go. There is something really impressive watching

some of these players at the bench press. Like I've covered enough pro days where the guys who do it well on the higher reps and like it really is something to watch and then just everyone getting around because it's it's that pure strength. It's kind of like freakazoid level. I mean not everyone can do it and do it at that level, so it is kind of cool just from a fan's perspective, Like I get why people check

in on coverage just to see some of these videos. Sure, but again that's not the be all end all of whether you will be a successful NFL player or not. I was just going to mention this speaking of like complete performances and guys who have done well. Tristan Worse out of Iowa plays for the bucks fastest forty, best vertical, best broad jump by any player, weighing at least three and twenty pounds at the combine. He was drafted thirteenth overall.

Back in Another guy that comes to mind, DK Metcalf also had a great combine, shocking right fastest forty among players when at least to five only player to record a sub four four forty vertical jump of at least forty inches and a broad jump of eleven feet and have twenty plus reps on the bench. He was drafted in the second round at sixty four Ferndon Davis, another guy fastest forty. It was a four or four guy

best vertical jump when at least two fifty pounds. So I know what you're saying not necessarily a precursor for success. Those guys obviously have had success in the NFL. But just the visuals of seeing guys that look like that that way that much do things that other people can't do, to me is one of the best parts of watching any coverage around the Combine or any of the pro day stuff. Some of this is not surprising to me, however.

I mean, you're naming guys that are really, really good at what they do, and obviously they show an exemplary athleticism, and what you're saying is is not that they were the best at one discipline. They were amongst the best at everything. So it feels a little chicken and eggish to me. I'm with you all, I'm saying is from like a visual standpoint. Watching stuff like that is just

it's it's really cool. It's fun. And now I understand if you've seen the videos and you follow some of these guys and they work out routines like that, that's why because they do things that not everyone can do. You want the confidence of knowing that the people, places, and things that matter to you are protected. At Kitta, they're bringing you that confidence in smarter ways than ever before, introducing the kid As Smoking carbon Monoxide Alarm with Smart Features.

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of course is quarterback. And since you and I talked about our height a fair amount, and you obviously lie about your five inches, whatever, can you guess? Yeah? Yeah, can you guess the shortest quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round? I know the shortest one only because I watched him a ton when he was in college, and he's a guy that I roote for, so like, this entire group of players to me are like the can do guys that I just like because I'm obviously

not six five, but Kyler Murray. All the hoopla and the fanfare around his size and for him to still have the success that he's had at the NFL, to me, it's just really cool. But I know it's Kyler Murray h and you are correct. Number two would be Johnny Manzel, who officially measured in at five ft eleven three and a quarter inches. And I was there when Johnny Manzell was drafted and I interviewed him, and you could find photos of me next to Johnny Manzell, not five ft eleven.

The Browns next quarterback or car quarterback, Baker Mayfield is supposed to be six ft and five eight inches, and I will tell you that he is taller than Johnny Manzel. So I'll buy that one. Now. Rex Grossman six one, drafted twenty second overall in two thousand three. Totally by

that one. And then here's what's crazy. Patrick Mahomes, Christian Ponder, and Aaron Rodgers are all six too, and that is still included in the list of shortest first round quarterbacks, which six two to me feels like a tremendously good height. It's good height, and look at those are names of guys that have actually had success at the NFL level.

So I think the outlier of the Murray's and the Baker Mayfields of the world are probably the ones that get the most attention just because they are the shortest guys. But there's another measurement in terms of quarterbacks that always comes up, and I've always felt like, does it really

matter talking about hand size two thousand three. The only quarterbacks to be since two thousand three, i should say, the only quarterbacks to be selected to the Pro Ball with hands that measured nine inches or smaller at the combine Jared Goff, Ryan Tannehill, Joe Burrow. So in fact, twenty four quarterbacks have had hands that measured under nine inches,

only three have started a game in the NFL. Jake from Brandon Allen, Charlie Fry so generally okay, and you have to love though, you have to love Joe Burrow a year ago, tweeting up, excuse me, sorry, I'm going to have to retire because apparently my hands are so small that the ball will slip out of my hands. And here we are a couple of years later where he absolutely galvanized a franchise and a fan base and lead his underdog underdog underdog team to the Super Bowl

within basically a couple of plays of winning the Lombardi Trophy. Yeah, and once again, sometimes these numbers are not an indicator of success. I think it's just teams just trying to figure out, Hey, like, what's what's that, what's that average? Where, what's the threshold on where guys could actually sit? And Yeah, but sometimes you wonder what the indicator of that is. Because I can tell you that there's a guy who's in the city that I live in right now that's

hearing this right now. Certainly you've heard about this. Oh can you pick it? You're talking about yes, can you pick it? People are questioning why does he wear two gloves? Is he wearing two gloves a mask? The size of his hand? Is his hand really under nine inches? Is that really true? And or is it just because he's got a double jointed thumb. Maybe I don't know. I did see something that he's going to have to do hand exercises to develop more accurate measurements at the combine?

Can we do some exercises to make us taller? Like I don't even know what that means. That's just like like like what do you? What do you? I don't know. I thought it was kind of a cool little side note. I just don't know what it means, you know. I do wonder, though, I will say this, Mike, how long before these measurements are outdated? Right? You know, the NFL is always trying to be at the forefront of evolution

and the combine. It's no exception to that. So in one our guy, Daniel Jeremiah, who's our draft expert and who is one of the nicest humans on the planet, tweeted that the forty yard dash is becoming obsolete, and he specifically pointed to game GPS data as a much more superior measurement of speed. And the Rams, who just won the Super Bowl, by the way, have already been using GPS data instead of actual forty times for their draft picks. Not that you know they're all about high

draft picks. Clearly I don't have many of those. They like trading away those picks, but hey, they they are on a victory parade through l A, so more power to them. Cooper Cup one of those guys, by the way, the DRAMs drafted in the third round. Dude ran a four six to forty at the combine. Now, I think we've all seen him ball out this season, Like that

doesn't even seem relatively accurate. Offensive Player of the Year Super Bowl m VP, by the way, doing something right there, and drafted after your guy, Juju Smith Schuster ju Ju. All right, But the RAMS like they were interested not necessarily in that time, but more on the GPS data side for the rats that he ran at the Senior Bowl to gauge how quickly he could navigate in shorter spaces.

So to me, once again, you said, like, is the forty obsolutely Like I think you can make a case like it kind of is at this point, Like there are more opportunities to gauge what players can do real time in real game situations, and data, as we know, drives a lot of the things that we do in the NFL from an analytic side of things, a players safety, so I think from a future draft pick, like, you're gonna probably hear a lot more of this in the

draft in April. But here's another thing, like combine is generally speaking, we had mentioned you've got to be invite only in the whole thing. This year, the NFL has actually held its first ever, HBCU Combine players that attend historically black colleges were able to showcase themselves and keep in mind, like, there's some real dudes in the league. Darius Leonard one of those guys that comes to mind who came from an HBCU. So a lot of talent

that's there. And as a guy that just was covering the nfl p A Collegiate Bowl in the East West Shrine Game, there are more and more players that are coming, Like Jackson State's got a kid at Dian Sanders had comped to um to Mica Parson's Like, there's enough players that are out there that we're going to see plan on Sundays from HBCUs. Well, I do think that expanding the search is just a smart thing, right, I Mean,

isn't that the whole idea. So it's funny though that you talk about the sort of regional combines and general locations for combine because, as I sort of hinted at the top, the location of the Combine beyond this year is kind of up in the air. You know, there have been rumors and we do know that the league signed a five year deal with Indie back in two thousand sixteen, but that only takes us to two twenty two,

so there's another five year term up. And last June, the NFL sent a memo to all thirty two clubs and said, hey, we are looking for a partnership. So now the combine joins the Draft and the Super Bowl as another NFL event that could cycle between locations. And according to Troy Vincent, the NFL looking into how to quote unquote improve the athlete experience. Yeah, that's in Indianapolis

or elsewhere. I just hope that they settle on Indianapolis because that really is the best place for this to happen. Well keep in mind too, like the league continues to expand and go international, they're also hosting international combines right Australia, Germany, uh, London, Mexico. The list goes on and on. So the point is expanding that searching to you that you made reference to really critical to not only a pipeline from a fan base perspective, but also to get some dudes in here

who could play that have untraditional paths. But wherever it ends up, I know, I'm grateful we got the NFL Combine to kind of get us through the through the off season and get us to the start of next season. But I think everyone's really excited about the combine. It gives us a glimpse of the next generation of great NFL star and it gives us something to talk about. And of course we got everyone cover. We got the Combine on NFL Network. We got complete draft coverage that's

around the corner here coming up in April. And do not forget a d D. I made reference this a little bit earlier in the show and the mail bag episode that was so popular that you and I had a blast doing. Keep the questions coming at a King Kabala at Mike underscore, yam, I'm keeping a little notes tab of all the questions that we're getting. If you don't know who would ask the question to about anything football related, d D and I have you covered just like we did with the Combine, and that is the

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