Troy Vincent talks why the game is safer, how he'd change the NFL rulebook, planning for post-football in high school, being a servant leader

What's up? Wrong? What's up? Thank you? Um. I don't know why I'm Barbara Walters today, but because you look older than me, that's why. I mean, if you're gonna call me somebody, I'm much rather be the one lady that got locked up. Oh, she'd be with Snoop all the time. Yeah, Martha Stewart, that's it. Yeah, let me be Martha Stewart. You're gonna be who you gonna be. Oh, I'm Oprah. But Mark Stewart's not a journalist. Though Barbara

Walters is a journalist, Mark Steward doesn't do that. This is my podcast too, So I'm gonna be Markeda and you're gonna be Oprah today. Let's let's let's do it. Let's do it right now. We got a special guest. Uh. This guy played fifteen years in the NFL, five time Pro Bowler, he was an All Pro two thousand and two Watch Paid Man of the Year winner. Right now, he's the executive vice president of Football Operations. Mister Troy Vincent,

thanks for having me. What's up are Yeah? So, man, when I when I when I grow up, I want to I want to be just like you. I'm just I'm just saying that. I'm I'm real thrilled to have you, to have you on this show, because I think you are the embodiment of what we talk about when we talk about, you know, your second act, of what you're gonna do post you know, post football, and what you've done in a short period of time has been truly amazing to watch and see. Well, it doesn't feel like

it's been a short period of time. I lost my hair. You see him now in bald Well. We're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about that. We got something for the hair again. We always started to show off with one of the main questions, and for me, I knew it was time to hang up my cleats, even though I didn't want to play the game torment acl when I was what thirty six years old? So at that point in time, yeah, chances are no one's going to pick

up an old corner. We played the same position. So when did you officially know it was time to hang up your cleats and retire? Probably year eleven? Okay, yeah, year eleven, I knew that. I was kind of my seventh season now in Philly. I was told by both Phenius Williams and Hardy Nickerson at a Christian retreat. We were just talking about transition and and Reggie White, and they were sharing with me like when do you know? They asked that same question, when when would you know?

And Hardy was the first to jump out there, you you understand or you know when it's your time when you don't want to do the things that you love doing before and he gave the illustration. You know, Hardy used to bring it and he loved contact. Well. I

was that same way. The things that I used to do, the things that I was known for, I just I didn't want I just I wasn't loving that every single day, right, And that was around year eleven, and then we had some young guys in Philly that was they were about to just explode. But I knew it was about that time, and I could buy a few more years, so to say,

just based off of what I had did previously. But year no question, year eleven when I knew, you know what, it's really about that time for me, that that expiration date on my body, I felt it. You know you're talking about that because you played fifteen, right, so you're still bought some time. Like you spoke on and I've listened to some of your other podcast, Troy, that you've done comes just piggyback on what Pete Nutt said earlier. Man, you are a living legend. You were on my wall

when I was growing up because you played dB. I watched you growing up from your time and when you first got into the league too, when you were a dominant, truly dominant with Philly, going to Miami after that, continue on prolonging your career. It's really special to watch and also seeing you now post career, you truly are the vision board or what every other NFL player says, this

is what it's supposed to look like. When you played football for as long as you do and still be able to take advantage of the time you're in and then once you're done, continue to move on with that. So I just want to make sure I gave you

your glory as well on that. But you talked about when you had the young guys behind you, Lado, those other guys behind you, they were never going to become the players and the leaders and the stars that they were going to be with you in that same position that you, as long as you were in that locker room, you were almost being a hindrance to their true growth to who they were supposed to be because you may be talking to that being a good teammate, a good

steward of the game, making sure that everybody continues to pull back. You know, you reached back and pull forward the way you were able to do that as example as a player and now also in your position. Now, yes, sir, and I would just say one thank you for the kind words. But I was brought into the National Football

League when I was drafted by Miami. There were veterans like John Offerdaal and in the back end there was a gentleman by the name of J. B. Brown played at Maryland that these individuals were the ones who kind of shared with me. I had a chance to see what leadership was, in particular around John Offerdall. He was a middle linebacker for his number fifty six. He taught

me how to be a pro. And what is being a pro showing up every day, you know, taking care of your business, detailing your work, but being a student of the game. Fast forward when I went to Philly, Bobby Taylor was there, but I was Even though we were only three years apart, I was still considered the veteran. Again, fast forward maybe year six, I think maybe five or six, you draft Leedo and Sheldon Brown and Dark was there. Dark and I came to Philly together. You had Brian Westbrook,

but Dark. But I was the kind of the the leader in the locker room. One, I was a PA rep. Two. I had a good body of work on the field where where the teammates respected you. These men were phenomenal leaders. They were for good for the best football player ever played with Brian Dawkins. But he didn't have to talk why because if you wanted an answer, you had challenges that you whether it was with the head coach, the coordinator,

front office, A Troy will handle it. But you you were watching these young men, in particular Sheldon and Brian, and that's Brian Westbrook as well, but DONK you saw him growing, but you knew that you need to leave that, and that's you need to leave so that these men could be really truly what God has called them to be. So it's kind of I think I did what I

needed to do there. Obviously fell short of a super Bowl, won a lot of a lot of football games, championship games, but it was time for these men to be who God had called them to be in the locker room, and that's exactly what happened. And went on to Buffalo.

And I sound hard for you to do, though, leaving them, no, sir, And I mean that sincerely because I the game has done more for me than I can ever do for it, and my walk with Jesus Christ allows me to walk into that meekness and understand this is not only good for me, because selfishly, I could have stayed. I got the same contract offer in Philly to stay and close

out there that I did in Buffalo. But I don't know if the story would have been the same with Bryan was Sheldon with Leedo, with Westbrook and even McNabb. So um, I didn't no no regrets, and it was just all part of I felt like my body of work and my DNA, but just leaning on faith. I think one time you I saw you speak. It was earlier in my career, and I think you might have said you wanted to You might have wanted to have an investment firm or financial firm or and I younger

my career, I took note. I still remember that to this day. And I was like, man, he playing football, he want to be a financial He wanted his own bank. Okay, okay, he ons some he ons some other stuff. He on a different level. What prepares you to to have that type of mindset? How did you? How did you get her first job? How did you get that first internship. I've been very, very intentional from high school, Like football was not who I was. Football was away for me

to get a free education. Yeah, come back home and help my mom period. But I knew there wasn't gonna be nine. Well, go ahead, and when you saw what I saw in Trenton, New Jersey, I didn't want to be what I saw right. I wanted no parts of that, and then when I gave my life to crisis sixteen, sport was just a mechanism for me to advance, to

accelerate in life. So I was always intentional every year from year one to year fifteen, if there was a program or resource that was available, either through the NFLPA, through the league office, or the club, I was there, hands up. And I was one of the last people that the team was gonna cut. They was gonna keep the quarterback, and now I know they were going to keeping me based off of my contract and my performance.

But it was just I treat it every year as an individual year, saying that I got to get through this year. I don't know what the team's going to do. And I never priced myself out of the market because most of that, man, you really no. I did exactly what I thought I should do because I never wanted to go into a season where I could be a cat casualty. Why to say that I'm the highest paid at my position. I was always tag transition. I'm good

staying one through five, one through ten. Why because if the season doesn't go right from a win lost standpoint, you bring a new coach in who are they looking at who making the money and how do I restructure the people going to measure you. Well, he's making all of his money and he's only performing at this level. So that was my mentality every year was to perform.

I had known centives in my contracts because if you were paying me the three and a half million dollars big salary, four million dollars big salary, why are you giving me an incentive to lead, lead the team and pass breakups or interceptions. That's what you're paying me to do or to play in this mini games. So my mentality was just different. I don't want any extra, just pay me for what I do on Sunday, Mondays and Thursdays.

It's just amazing that, I mean, your mentality. I wish you would have been the veteran on my team early in my career and maybe Jillion. You know, this is really great. So this is something that me and Peanut really love to really deep dive into a specially not

even on the podcast. Bless you excuse me, is that after you retired, how did you handle your identity like personally and publicly and like what was that new normal like for you being tied to the nfls for as long as you have been and now you're no longer a player. We all kind of go through this, uh, this sense of this feel of like almost lost at times. I think it begins why you play and how you represent yourself. I was representing the body of Christ, my

wife and my family. I happen to be an athlete. So just managing that, and I would share that, share that with any pro or any athlete. You have to control who you are. I played the game. The game is not you know, and I'm still to this particular day and that new new normal that transition from time to time I got. I have to debunk the myths that are associated with an athlete. Yes, black athlete, So all of those things and to this very day in my position today as I raised my children. So but

you have to be intentional about it. And I was very intentional about how I showed up from in the locker room. Hey looking over, Nope, I don't do any interviews when I had no clothes on them. And I tell that, you know. It was just the little things, how to engage with the media, being transparent, managing that brand, your personal brand. Frankly, it allowed me to be in

a position am I'm in today. I'm not surprised because all of the things that you and I learned as you all were leaders on your team, all of those are transferable skills that nobody told us in the c suite. Everything that we learned about communication, resiliency, teamwork, communication, those are intricate values that the game presents to each of us that play, and they all transition over to the

corporate world. I know the game's done a lot for you, but you've also done a lot for the game as far as like helping players out in their second acts. I know you brought them the NFL Business Management, the broadcast boot Camp, and how recept of our current and former players of you in the NFL creating these programs.

I think they've been extremely recept I'm a product, yes, YouTube And what makes me proud why people go, well, why when I see individuals my colleagues like Peanut and Roman, you all make me so proud and make us so proud because this is who we really are, right like you represent the best of who we are. But oftentimes we get one or two examples and everyone gets painted with that same brush. Yes, so my affinity and love.

As I always say, you can't lead the player if you don't love them, and loving that means you take the good to everything that comes with us, because we can be a mess at times, but you can't lead us if you don't love us. Right, So when I watched and I read and I was mentored by, I would feel like some of the the best, and then my pastors it was, Okay, why are we not succeeding?

Why aren't people giving us the opportunity. We finished college, we play ball, our ball as our resume, but we have all of these skills that most great leaders in Fortune fifty Fortune five hundred companies had, but we're not getting a shot. So as a player, I went to

the University of Penn. We talked to the mid nineties to say, how do we create programs that will allow players to get an introduction into things that they want to do or have interest in post their playing experience, and this is why you're playing nineteen ninety six, Yes, every Tuesday, every Friday. That's where I spent my time on campus, meeting with the professors, saying we have players that want to get in real estate. They don't have

time to go back to school. Can we do certificate programs? Can we do programs that will allow them the introduction into these businesses. So broadcast all of the all of the boot camps, all of those things were created back in the mid nineties, and they have year after year broadcast boot camp, all of those things, the Harvard programs, Northwestern.

It was so that the player had an opportunity when he took the helmet off, whether it's him, his spouse, his partner, to go back and learn some of the things that are important if you wanted to get into this business. Right. I didn't even know you were doing that while you're playing. The fact that you made time. This is unbelievable that you're sharing all this with me because I don't think most people know this. We know, Troy,

you gotta understand most of us. The first time we ever meet you is when you're doing that media training when we first get in, and the one thing that you say that always stands out is what you just said earlier, is that, hey, the media is an outlet to your brand, that you must work with them. It's the way you tell your own story and working with the media that's a first introduction, most players get to who Troy Evince. It is so Roman when you say that.

Remember we all come into the league where they say, hey, what does the NFL stand for? No? No, no, no, no, we're gonna flip that, right. Yeah, the NFL means notice for life when you do things right. Ah see see I'm using yea. And we need to be sharing. Yeah, we have to if we do just a little things right. You don't have to be a star. Yeah. People that we come in contact with from a media standpoint, business standpoint, partnership standpoint, people standpoint, we actually are put on notice

for life if we just treat people right. Yeah, but we always lean to oh it means not for long, not for long, No, we're gonna flip that, or the no fun league. Yeah, and you probably hit on this a lot and you but I want to know from your perspective, because this is some of your terms that you that I've heard and read that you use. Is that what is a servant leader and what does that mean to you? So a servant leader is someone who

is I serve. I'm using the term I I serve those who are really leading, even though I may have the title structurally. But I'm a servant leader. I want to address what you want to do. I want to serve you because when you went, I went. So that servant leadership is being selfishness. I mean, just my ego. I'm okay, and I use this now in my management style. This goes to that servant leadership. I always say, no author of ownership. I don't need my name to be

on the paper. I don't need to be the person that's at the podium speaking. Allow me to serve you and the world and the team and everybody wins. Were you always like that? No, not always, No, sir, No, sir, Peanut. At the age twenty one, you couldn't tell me nothing, and if something happened, I wanted to make sure I got my credit. Today it's not about credit, and Peanut, I was so ready for transition at any time, So I don't take anything for granted. I don't know if

you can see in the background my bookcase. Yeah, when that bookcase have books, so that the next leader who is going to occupy this seat, whether that happens, they want to make a change tomorrow or next week. When I pick up my book back and leave tonight I don't own any of these things, but people have to. They can go right to the book and see my notes from yesterday on the topic of football. Yeah. So I'm updating these things every day so that transition is

smooth coninuity. Yeah, that's right, so someone can take what has been created and take it forward. Rumors and speculations. And you went from player engagement to being the VP of football. Ops. Do you want to be commissioner? No, you don't want the job at all. Right now, I served the commissioner and I served the game. I see here you say that you serve the commissioner. That's really That takes a lot, a lot of self I don't want anybody to get it twisted. Yeah, I am owning

my space today. Yeah, and I get asked that question off today, I serve Commissioner Roger Goodell, and I'm waiting for my wife to tell me when it's time to come home so we can go back in the community and continue serving the community. But I get asked, I see what he goes through. I'm good right where I'm at. Yeah, I love get Maybe I want to get your job, and yeah, that might be a good one. I'm gonna be past and then I take your job. Well, you can serve me. No, I do that anyways, Peanut, I

do that anyways. You know that. So so Troy. Number two things we got to get accomplished from this this whole thing. Number One, we're gonna get Peanut a job, all right, that's number one. We're gonna get somehow another we're gonna work Peanut into this job. And then number two is we gotta know because for you to start off on the players side, now to go to the NFL side, and as players, we all know who Troy

vented this. We have all this like this love, this understanding of how you great, how great you are, and how much you've really improved the NFL side of it, Like the NFL is in a much better place since you've crossed over. Are you ever going to be able to come back and roum my position there is? I never left the game. Yeah, I wore one uniform. I served as a as a I never was an employee of the players in the associal but I served in

the leadership role. Today. I served the game and my uniform may be a different color, but the mission is the same. Yeah, it is ensuring that NFL football is the best and the most competitive sport in the world by serving the game as you the player. So it's never changed my mentality. So it wasn't a crossover to me. Hey listen, I ran for the executive director's position, lost, didn't get the position. I didn't go. I just hey, at that particular time, God said no, yeah, at door closed.

But my passion for the game itself and the players, past president of future will never change. That's that's what's up. Well, we're gonna hold those thoughts because right now we got to pay a couple of bills. Say, all states to gotta pay these bills. Boss. So Troy, I know Tracy her offense TP, her office is uh right around a quartum TP, Trace Perman, great friend of mine. I text TP constantly about the rules. I am texting, I am tweeting the NFL, the reference the officials. I talked to Rome,

I talked to all my boys about the rules. How do you deal with the constant criticism with with your jobs as it pertains to like rules and stuff. How does how do you deal with that? Well, one you have to really that's part of it. Just like a player you gotta take ye good with the good, you take the not so good when it's not so good, right, you just have to stay stay even killed okay with and I get asked the question, if there's one thing that you would do, what would you change with the league?

Continue reducing that rule book. I think that the rule book because it's you're talking about one hundred and eighty plus pages of rules, and it's really complex. And if it's if it's complex to the player and sometimes the coach, it could be really complex to the fan. I still

don't know all the rules for the game correct. And that's so reducing that where just the average Joe, the average Mary could just say, oh, I understand that, but I would say this, And this is one of the things that I've learned just over the last six years. The official that is the common enemy. I'm gonna repeat that, the official has become the common enemy. I was just sharing this with Coach Fuel who heads our officiating department,

him and Walter Anderson. Just yesterday. I said, at the end of the year, one of the things that we have to make sure and we have the data to support it in the video, to support this, the gamesmanship at our level today is something that I've never ever seen before. The gamesmanship that goals on in strategy. Oh yeah, where you think that, you know, like the deception that is created. Not only are you trying to trick your opponent, guess who else you're trying to confuse that you're confusing.

You've been in the rules as much as you can the moment. We do not talk about that enough. And literally I said, okay, I did that for eight years of my fifteen I did the officiating reporting. It's not because I I was a big fan of the umpire or the back judge or the side judge. I was giving my teammates its indication of this is what you can get away with with this crew or with this side judge. And we all know after the second series,

we know how we're gonna play this game today. Yes, because you know what they call them, what they ain't

gonna call exactly. Yeah, So I think that's so important that you're up they're telling these guys that because so when I got to New Orleans, Sean Payton, I'm sure he learned it from Philly being with you guys and around that whole Andy and everybody else that the officials report is big when you know what official group likes to call holdings really prevalent this week, hey, passing inference this week, they're lasting, lasting the league and personal foalcohol,

So they're gonna let you live a little bit. So like these things, and referees have personalities just like players. Oh yeah, that is so important. And everybody right now is really on the roughing the passage. And I know, I know. The thing about you guys in the NFL that makes it so good and so hard to argue against is that you guys got the stats and numbers to back it up. Yes, right, No, Dad, he said, Daddy, He didn't say sets. We've got the data. D all right.

So and I want to share this and this is not for you, Troy, because you know this, but I want to share it to the people and the listeners. Is that everybody's complaining about the from the pastor calls the one that happened with Grady Jared Old Brady, the one that happened. It's been a few this year that's been quite questionable at times to say, really Jones in the Grady Jared Ones, the ones that is kind of

really really really elevated it right. So in two thousan eighteen through week six we had fifty three rough from the pastors. In two thou nineteen you had fifty nine, and two thousand and twenty through six weeks you had forty three. So trend in the down. In two thousand and twenty two thousand and twenty one you are back up to fifty two. And then in two thousand and twenty two this year, through six weeks, you were all the way down to thirty eight. So the behavior is changing.

So you guys are really affecting the game without really affecting the game. And everybody complains about how soft it is, but I want to use your word in your terms, is that it's just the game is just different. It's not soft, it's just different. To kind of go into that and help us out, and I think this is important for we all grew up in the air and I used this term, it's a different game, it's a

safer game, it's a better game. I grew up in Trenton, New Jersey and in Laura Bucks County, wanting to play for Buddy Ryan. Buddy Ryan's defenses had the let's say this aura or this reputation of putting people in the body bag. That was the mentality. If you were coming and wanting to play football, you were you just learn the game with bad intentions. I fast forward knowing what I know now, and I've always been on the player

protection in the health and safety. I'm looking at my teammates and I'm seeing my teammates at forty five and at fifty in conditions that they should not be in. Right, So it makes me paulse and just say okay. And as Willie Lanier said this to me maybe twelve years ago, Troy, you can't allow our sport to become a blood sport. We all want the same thing to perform, get our ball on, make our paragraph five, go home with our

families in one piece. But when you will we allow the game to go to that next level where it becomes a blood sport and people are trying to take each other's head off. That's not good for any of us. And I use this which I typically never go in this direction because it's really commercial. In two thousand and twenty one, ninety one of the top one hundred TV shows in America were NFL games. Why because they love points they love the excitement when we look at from

the bottom, these young boys are getting it on. So it's so true. And Peanut was, he was so he was ready for this part of the interview, Like this is what he's been geared up for. You know, you know why all right, when they call illegal contact it's five yards, it's not they're gonna get him a first down because they want points. Like It's just all I'm saying is just from a defensive standpoint, help us out. I get ninety one of one hundred top shows. Can

we get a little bit of help on defense? I'm now, I'm I'm a little biased. I'm talking to my defensive players out there. I'm looking out for them. You said you're looking out for your teammates. I'm looking out for all defensive players in the NFL right now. I'm just trying to make it. Just help us out a little bit. And they hit If I hit a guy after five yards, why is it an automatic five yard? Automatic first down? Five? Just this moved me four or five yards. You know

what I'm saying. Why I just help us, help us, help us out defensively, help us out in that department. I get points. I get People want to see points on the board. People say it's a boring game when the score is ten to three, I think the defenses are balling. I think that's a slapp in the face on us. Many of us would agree with that. We can't have a good defensive matchup. How come it can't be two defensive coordinators just going out of like, man,

these guys are playing chess. That means the defenses are playing amazing. I hate forty five to thirty three? Where's your defense at? But I get it. It's it's a brand that's bad. Listen, this is what I would say to this. I remember now, this is not the league office, And don't be sitting here blaming trop I'm not. I'm not blaming. I don't have a boat. You got thirty You got thirty two member clubs. If you really want to impact the game, here's one I think you can appreciate. Okay,

tell me why I pass interference? Is this spot foul? Why don't you just make that like college? For sure? Yeah? Yeah them? Fifty yard penalties are huge. You don't recover from it. And what you typically when you get that forty to fifty yard penalty? The next play, he can kick a pa I mean a field He's already field goal arrange. But what when those teams are in that red zone area the percentage of them scoring, it's do the roof. Yeah, so hey, we really want to change things.

All membership has to do is hey, or the coaches make PI a yardage a yardage. I've been saying that for a while though, I'm keeping that. I'm all for that. So so, Troy, I got one real thing. Um, this is the only thing I'm on my soapbox about. And this is just that, you know, as a former safety, having to set the edge and you did too. I mean the fact that I can't just take the old lineman's knees out anymore and now I gotta take him

up high I'm doing. I'm just saying that one roman I was and hey, for transparency, I'm on u alls pot on the podcast here in my second act. That was one that That's what I'm not proud, Okay, I appreciate that of what I did. I got six trophies. I'm not proud of those six trophies. And people go, what do you mean? Six people are not didn't play because of what I did to them coming off of that edge. They never returned back to the field. So why people go, well, how does the big block a little?

I know, if I get the top of my helmet or the side of my helmet, if I hit that right spot on that knee, he's is over. Those are the kind of things like things like cut block, chop block, blind those things were like think about even the term itself. We grew up in an era where a blind side block Peanut used to used to, you know, help out your teammates during the week with with with restaurant gift

cards when you got big hits, big tackles inside. I mean, hey, think about that we talk offline when we now somebody you declease somebody. Yeah, it's just a different I can't go to a parent today and ask their kids, hey, your kids should be participating in football. Yeah, it's how to understand that. It's such a it's such a unique situation to be in too, because Troy, what you're saying is not you're not wrong, but like we grew up

with this different mentality. Look, I played for junior Buddy Ryan and Greg Williams, and it was like that was the mentality you're saying, because I played for him too, that was it? What did he used to tell you? If you cut the what? Oh? If you if you if you kill the head, the body would die. That was That's what you did. That's not right. Because we know better, the Bible tells us. Because I read that, I'm now held responsible for his work. Yes, yeah, because

we know better today, gentlemen. Again, it's not man, Tita got No, I'm not getting sod. But I got kids and I got grandkids. I'm speaking to millions of parents, yep, about their children participating in the sport that we love. Yes, I get that question comes up all the time. I respect this, I like it. I like that. Yeah. And to change your view, peanut, I want to hear it a little bit. You change it a little bit, you change My wife won't even she doesn't want my son

to play football until later. And also because football is a sport that you can pick up later in life and still be great at it. Understand, you were a great example that yourself, Troy. You were mostly a basketball player, track guy up until you got what was that Pennsbury High School? Right having twelfth grade? Yep, until you were later you were all about being baby MJ Michael Jordan. So you cut your hairball back in the day. Now

you have to cut your hairball. So you know at the time you made these things happen, and just maybe speak on just you know, finishing us off. You're kind of getting us ready up out here. Is that as you go back to these high schools and have these conversations with these young moms dads about their family and their children participating in the sport that we love, you have to lean on the health aspect of it first.

And I know you really light up when you talk about the health and safety and all the things that you guys, just strikes that you've made in football roll it's a non starter if I don't. Yeah, it's where they want to begin the conversation, and then it allows it sets the stage for me to talk about all of the things that the game provides, whether they play professional football, go to college. But the strides that have

been made from return to play. We just suggested the concussion protocols, just the advancements in metal, the advancements in equipment. Today we can talk, we can be on the offense talking about where our game has evolved from a health and safety standpoint, player protection. Twelve years ago, we were defended. I mean, we were backpedaling. We didn't have any answers. But I just think the evolution of the game the

athlete today bigger, faster, stronger, and now with flag. If I can just a little let me get put that little plug in. I talk about the future of football is flag. I didn't say the future of professional football. But when we think about flag football and football being for all, it literally is it takes down all of the barriers that other sports and our sport currently used to have with gender, race, class, disability. Flag football there's a position in a place for everyone. Oh yeah, I'm

with that room. I think we should definitely get on a get a pro football flag team, and we can get it together. I think we can. Until somebody pull a hand or do something crazy. It sounds great like it does on paper, It sounds great. We should get a Legends flag team. My old coaches and I'm like, bro, that sounds great on the white board, coach, But yeah, yeah, until we got to get out here and run it. I'm feeling you. But Troy, we appreciate you, man, Thank

you for coming out on the show. This was fun. If you're getting good, I'm so proud of you all. Thank you keep doing what you do. Thanks Troy, Man. Appreciate it. Man. You really not only informed us, you really blessed us with your time, your knowledge, your experience. And I hope the listeners got all that too. Man. This guy is amazing and I would tell anybody to anytime you can spend any type of quality time and sit down and listen to anything Troy Vincent has to say,

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