The Season with Peter Schreeger as a production of the NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, Everybody, Welcome back to the season with Peter Schreger. The last time we did this podcast was at the Super Bowl in Arizona, and it has been multiple months and multiple things have happened, obviously in the football world, but also on a personal note, I am a father of a new baby girl. This was the big reason why I have not been on the podcast the last few weeks, and I was on
paternity leave and not on Good Morning Football. In the story is of course intertwined with the football and draft and everything. So I'm at the Combine and it is the Friday night of the Combine and the we're previewing the next day. All right, We're previewing the next day, and it comes to me and I'm talking about Will Levis,
the Kentucky quarterback. And I'm going into a real deep dive on Will Levis about how in twenty twenty one he had an offensive coordinator at Kentucky named Liam Cohen, and Liam Cohen was then poached by the Los Angeles Rams to be their offensive coordinator in twenty twenty two, based on the job he did at Kentucky in his familiarity with McVeagh from a previous part of his career.
With the Rams going deep on Liam Cohen talk about Will live at Levis and my wife, who knows I'm on TV, who knows I am fully engaged, and it's hard enough to spit out stats and knowledge on Will Levis on a Friday night in February is texting me call me back a sap. Call me back, a sap,
Call me back a sap. All right, I'm about to as were as I'm about to get to my phone, Daniel Jeremiah starts listing off teams that might make sense for a quarterback to be elected, and in my ear Mark Teitelman, who's the producer of the combine, says, shregs, we're gonna come to you. Just give us another team. And I'm like frozen, paralyzed. I don't know what my wife is calling about. I have no idea. Obviously, I know what baby's on the way at some point, but
this is not when we were expecting it. It's early, and I just get on camera and I just say, yeah, look, I don't know what the deal is with Lamar Jackson and the Ravens. I would think that the Ravens have to put contingency plans on. And it's late February, but I would think that the Ravens are going to do all their due diligence on quarterbacks. Okay, go to commercial. Call my wife. She's like, you gotta get home. This thing is happening. All right, we're a couple weeks before
we thought we would be. I'm all and I'm looking at my Twitter and it's blowing up and I've got a million mentions. I'm like, what just happened? What did I do? And they clipped off the clip of me saying that the Ravens are going to be looking at quarterbacks or should be looking at quarterbacks, and that went like wildfire. And I swear it was before Lamar did a trade request. It was before Lamar in the franchise tag,
it was before all the Lamar stuff. It was when everyone thought Lamar was gonna be just fine and dandy, and I just merely mentioned they might take a quarterback. But it went like wildfire on Twitter, and I'm like, I can't pay attention to that. Get home, and it was a false alarm in that moment, but three days later, our daughter was born. Her name is Betty Hazel. She was born on March ninth, twenty twenty three. We are so happy my son, Mel and Betty are all good.
The NFL network was cool enough to give me a few weeks of paternity leave, which was important because my son was also off on spring break for two weeks and someone needs to entertain a six and a half year old while my wife, Erica is with our baby daughter. But I am back on air on Good Morning Football, and I'm happy to announce we are bringing back this season with Peter Schrager. It did not die at the Super Bowl is going to be alive and we're going
to start going into high gear. I missed the entire free agency window, and I apologize to the listeners for that. Obviously I had other things going on. But we are now a couple of weeks from draft, and I assure you this is my sweet time and my time where I like to hit home runs and keep you guys engaged. I'll have more information than most I will share it here on the podcast. I'll try to give you different information than what you're getting on Good Morning Football, fresher, different,
more guests, all of that stuff. But I also feel like I have a lot to catch up on with the guys here in the room. We've got Aaron wang Kaufman, my lovely producer and friend. We've got Jason English from iHeart, who's in the building as well. Aaron, how are you? Did you miss me? And what did I miss? Oh?
I'm great, of course I missed you. Yeah, And I feel particularly bad that, unfortunately I didn't get to make it the super Bowl this year to record with you, because you know, day before I left tested positive for COVID, so then I was not able to make it out there and do the and do the recording. So I
haven't seen you in even longer than that. I know, I know when I got that, Cause like that's so finning that It's just we're gonna have this great way to these plans of doing these you know, the great Arizona hang Session and this whole thing. We're gonna bring Brooklyn to Arizona, and then naturally COVID hits as it always does. Um and you were not there, but Jason was. We had a great two podcasts there, but the NFL world keeps on spinning. Um, let's do what we do.
Let's go through five topics. You serve me up. You tell me what you want to hear on and I'll give you and I'll empty the bag on what I got. And guys, if you're listening, it's good to be back on the mics. I'm excited about this. Aaron. Let's go all right. Well, first up, I mean, I know you said you missed part of free agency, but there's still some big things happening, namely Aaron Rodgers the Jets. What's happening?
Where do we stand with this? Where do we start? Okay, so it's April eleventh as we record this, I'm gonna go all the way back to that week of March sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, because that's when the Jets brass got the okay to travel out to Malibu. Now, let me take you through this. This hasn't been detailed as as much in depth as maybe it should have been. Here's how it works. They get the approval to be able to speak to Rogers.
Rogers gets out of his three four day, five day darkness retreat, and you can roll your eyes if you want it is what it is. That's what he did. He says he wants to meet with the Jets. The crew that traveled out to Malibu are the following head coach Robert Sala, general manager Joe Douglas, team president himI el High, Jets offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett, one team owner Woody Johnson, another team owner Christopher Johnson. And you had
three different factions coming from three different places. So you had Woody Johnson coming from Florida, you had Christopher Johnson coming from Colorado, and you had all the other guys coming from Jersey. They all fly in and yes, there were cars parked outside of Rogers's house, and that made a lot of news that the Jets would park in front of his house. Who cares. Now it's thirty one days later and he's still not a Jet, so none of that matters. But yes, paparazzi picked up photos of
Woody exiting Rogers's house and Sala exiting rogers house. And I'm told it was a four hour hang session for most of them where Rogers hosted them. They all talked, they all walked around his house, They talked about philosophy, they talked about life. They talked about the team. Did Rogers demand they picked players, No, but they were asking him about certain players and his thoughts and he was
offering his feedback. Now as they exit, there's this feeling of great optimism from everybody involved that this thing is going to get done. The Jets brass flies back to New Jersey. They're sitting in there waiting, and then Roger decides in a couple of days he's going to go on the Pat McAfee show. The McAfee interview I thought was compelling. I also think Rogers and the Jets were done no favors by some of the things that were said. And I'm not blaming Rogers here. He was speaking to
his truth. He was talking what he wanted to say. But I can tell you from sources around the league that when Rogers was going through all his gratitude mentions of mentioning you know, here we go. Bob Harlan was the president of the Packers when I was drafted, and Bob was a great guy. And this and that Mark Murphy, the president of the Packers since two thousand and seven,
does not get a special shout out. He goes through Ted Thompson, the late great Ted Thompson, who was the evaluator of talent, who really put his name on Rogers instead, it's time to move on far If he talks about Ted Thompson quite a bit. No mention of Brian guten Kunz, who's the current general manager. Now you could say, who cares if he's not mentioned. When you're talking about the equipment guys and members of the cafeteria, and you're talking about all the coaches and all, and you start not
mentioning it. There's no reason that the Packers guys that were gonna suddenly give Aaron Rodgers away for sixty cents on the dollars. So they're staying firm on what they think they need, which, to be honest, Aaron, as I'm doing this conversation with you, I don't know the specifics
on that. I was told from people not in either building that the Jets we're looking to make a trade where it would not involve the first round pick, it would not involve both of the second round picks, and it would involve a future first that was conditional, meaning we gotta get something out of Rogers. We can't just get one gear or a commitment to one season, there's got to be some sort of multiple season commitment in
which a first round pick is then triggered. If that two years or one and a half years, or whatever the starts that are required, it is not hit, then it remains a second or third round pick, whatever it is. Packers, meanwhile, are just like, well, we've got Rogers under contract already. We agreed to one of the biggest contracts in NFL history with him less than thirteen months ago, and we've got Jordan Love playing on a rookie contract. Still, we're
gonna stay and stand tight here. It's now April eleventh. Joe Douglass was on a local thing with Boomer and Geo in Jersey City on Friday, in which he said, like he'll be here, like Rodgers will be here. I think everyone on both sides as the assumption that Aaron Rodgers will not be a Packer and Aaron Rodgers will be a New York Jets quarterback. But at some point that trade needs to be executed, and then there's different
contract things that trigger. As we sit here on April eleventh, I don't think we're any closer to either team giving an inch on this now. If the Packers want a first round pick, the Jets are steadfast and saying we're not giving up a first round pick. If the Packers want two second round picks, the Jets seem to be
steadfast and saying we're not giving up two second round picks. Aaron, as I lay that all out to you, and this conversation has been going on for days in the New York media and also Green Bay media and also on Twitter. Who holds the leverage in that situation. The guys who have Rogers, who obviously wants to move on and said he walked into that darkness retreat ninety percent sure he was going to retire, or the Jets, who in this case know that Rogers doesn't want to be there in
the Packers don't want Rogers there. Who has the leverage? And if you're to pick, which side is going to be the one that's gonna bend in the end, I think whoever you ask is the one that has the leverage. When he asked someone from the Jets, they have the leverage. If he asked someone from the Packers, they have the leverage. Because I mean, neither one, like you said, neither one is thinking there's a different outcome. It's just a matter of like, how do they get to this compromise of
what the picks are? And I think both of them think the other one will bend first. I thought the New York media would play a far bigger role in this. They haven't. I thought every day on the back page, it would be Joe Douglas with a clock and it's say times tick and get this done, Get this done,
Get this done. But I feel like rational minds have existed in the New York media on this thing, or they've just been distracted with Mets, Yankees, Giants, nixt sets like you know, Rangers, Islanders that Joe Douglas hasn't been put through the crucible on this because I think at a certain point, if the New York media was banging, bang and bang and banging every single day, why is this trade not done? Why is this trade not done? Why is this trade not done? Why is this trade
not done? Joe go Douglas would say, Okay, look, it certainly doesn't make the most football sense to give up the thirteenth overall pick for a forty year old quarterback and all the stuff, But let's just get it done. Let's get Aaron Rodgers in the building. Let's start this thing. He hasn't done that yet. I think the New York media has been pretty kind to the Jets and the Jets brass, because if I'm looking at it now from thirty thousand feet, how do you get on that plane
to Malibu? How do you accord him? How do you let all of your intentions be known? And how do you not have that deal in place beforehand? To me, that's the crazy part to it, that the intentions were all made. You give up all your cards in this thing. You show your cards that you're all in on Rodgers. You're not gonna sign car, You're not gonna trade for a little more, You're not gonna do any of that stuff.
And yet April eleventh, Rodgers is still not a New York Jet, and I don't feel like it's gonna get done until oh, I don't know, either draft day or maybe even after the draft. I think both sides know the ultimate conclusion is is that Rogers is going to
be a Jet. But like the second that draft starts, it's on the clock really for that trade, and the second it ends, like I don't know, the Jets lose, or the Packers like just missed an entire year of a draft where they could have picked up players that could help. So I think the timing of the draft being in two weeks is like puts pressure on the Packers to make that trade so they get something in return now, but without an owner, without anyone banging the
drum there to be like get it done. I don't see the Packers having any urgency either, all right, from one quarterback to another, we have I think the last time that we were on, we were talking about Obj deals and he finally signs with the Ravens for like a little more than fifteen million, and immediately Lamar releases the FaceTime photo of he and ob j facetiming, and then this weekend they're hanging out in Miami together. What do you what? What does this mean for the Lamar
Ravens deal? What's this mean? Just in general with Baltimore. I wish I could give you an answer on Lamar Jackson, and I even sit on the show on Monday that like, I don't think Odell signs with the Ravens without knowing or having some sort of assurance that Lamar Jackson is throwing him passes. But if anybody in the media is trying to pose as like a voice of Lamar or give you some insight on Lamar, they're full of shit. The raven side, they don't give much secrets out either.
I think from their angle on this thing, they've offered Lamar Jackson multiple contracts that they think is is fair. He has rebuffed them over the course of two years with those multiple offers, and he's betting on himself a little bit and saying, I think that there's more money out there for me. And from what everyone says that the Shawn Watson contract last year that was two hundred forty million dollars guaranteed really was the trigger and all of this, and that Lamar is look at that in
the number, Well he's not getting that number. It's not going to get that number from the Ravens at least. So again with the Rogers, the thing time about who has to compromise, who has to bend. From a strictly on paper way of analyzing this, you say, all right, the Ravens have offered you multiple deals. The Ravens have offered to make you one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the league. The Ravens want to tell you that they're your guy. The Ravens have publicly said they're two
hundred percent behind you. The Ravens blood the audit. The Ravens have then changed the offensive coordinator, which seemed to be a problem with the offense. Who knows, I seem like Lamar had a lot of success in that offense. But let's say that they'd moved on just for the fact that Romans been there for six years. Time to move on. Todd Monkin comes in. Then the Ravens go out and get Odell Beckham, which, again on paper, you say that guy's gonna be thirty one years old, is
coming off two acls, he didn't play last year. Regardless, he's already their number one wide receiver. He's being paid like a number one wide receiver. So they got him the number one wide receiver on the market that was available at the time. You add in Mark Andrews, you add in Dobbins, you add in what seems to be a pretty good offensive line. You're saying, we're doing everything we can on our end, and we're still offering you this very very handsome salary and this very very attractive
deal if you're willing to sign it. But Lamar hasn't budged and FaceTime photos or not. It's now been more than twenty four hours since they went and they made a trade for Odell or they went and they signed Odell Beckham, and they signed odeb Beckham for more money than any other team I know is offering them. And I think that might be from one to two to three to four more a million dollars than anyone else
was offering Odell Beckham. So all that stuff happened. They know they partied in Miami, is what the headline is. They were at a club together, they were talking. I also saw photos of Odell Beckham sitting and talking with Joe Burrow and Donald Trump. So I don't know how much they were hanging on Saturday in Miami. I don't know what that meant, if they saw each other, if they said what's up? I know they were seeing next to each other. Lamar had that face like I can't
get out of this club quick enough. Nothing against Odell. I think Lamar just wasn't looking to be hanging there all night in the photo that I saw. I don't know anyone who tells you that that this is a slam dunk. Now Lamar is gonna accept less money after
he's hold out for more money all this time. I don't know again, draft, if Lamar still has not signed with the Ravens, and Lamar still has not agreed to the franchise tag, and the draft starts, and the Ravens at the twenty second pick, and let's just say Anthony Richardson or Will Levis starts slipping seven, eight, nine, ten, suddenly got like the eleventh, the twelfth, thirteenth pick, and those teams don't need quarterbacks. Does Baltimore say screw it
and get themselves some assurance. Do they go and they trade up and get a Will Levis? Did they go up and trade up and get an Anthony Richardson. Did they sit at twenty two and take Kendon Hooker just to light a fire under Lamar. Anything's possible at this point. I think the Ravens have tried to come to terms with a contract for Lamar for over two years. What I read is that when Josh Allen signed his contract in the summer of I guess it was summer twenty twenty.
Was COVID now twenty twenty one. He signed his deal in twenty twenty one. He signed this big contract, same drive class as Lamar, everything I'll think being equal. He's already made sixty six million dollars in cash. Lamar was offered a similar deal at that time or at the very least shortly thereafter, and has rebuffed it every time along the way and has made you know, far less again. He might win this thing. He might make all the money.
He might make a stand for quarterbacks, so that guaranteed quarterback money is a thing that we put in the NFL. Owners have to grind their teeth, and Lamar is going to be a groundbreaker in a lot of ways. In the short term. The Ravens, I think they've got to look at the calendar and say, Okay, is it time for us to maybe create a contingency plan here where we select a quarterback in the NFL draft. Okay, another team who is looking at quarterbacks in the NFL draft.
The Panthers traded up for the first overall pick. And you know, the conversation now is Bryce Young, C J. Strout, maybe Anthony Richardson, what do you think is going to happen there? I'm following it really closely, and I know that they're meeting with everyone. Things you need to know about this Panthers team and what they did this offseason. They spent so much money on their offensive coaching staff, so much money. It wasn't enough that they hired Frank Reich.
They also went out and they brought Jim Caldwell, And they also went out and brought Josh mccownen they brought out. They went out and they got duced Staley. They are spending a ton of money on their coaches. David Tepper has opened up his wallet and he has gone above and beyond to say, we are going to create the most nurturing environment for whatever this young quarterback is and whoever this young quarterback is. And on defense, they paid
head coach money for defensive coordinator. Ever, Oh, they are spending real money to put the culture right in the average between McCown and Reich, I think I did the numbers. I think McCown played fifteen years in the league and Reich played like eighteen years in the league. That's thirty three years of quarterback experience. And I'm not a math major. It might have been more or less whatever it is,
but that's thirty three years of quarterback experience. Then you add in Jim Caldwell, who has coach Peyton Manning in Indianapolis as coach Matthew Stafford and Detroit and has had playoff seasons with both those teams. You put all that together and then you say, Okay, give us a young quarterback that you can PLoP in there and they're going to learn. They have no other choice and they're going to learn and they are going to succeed with that coaching.
I think Bryce Young is the pick that's on April eleventh. The draft is in sixteen days. Things can change. I've had countless times where I've been told from people around the league that this is what I think is the pick, and go with it, and then in the week that happens, things change. This is my take as of now. I think Bryce Young is the superior quarterback in every single category to CJ. Stroud except for height, weight, size. And
you could say, well that's a lot. Well, the NFL is changing, and with that quarterback coaching and with the way an offense can be built and the way that the mobile quarterback and the way that he works in that pocket. I feel like it's something that they can overlook right now. Now you could say, and you'd be absolutely right. There's never been a quarterback of that size in that build to have great success in this league. Drew Brees. It was shorter, but Drew Brees was big.
He was like a stocky guy. Kyler Murray, whether you think he's a success or not. Kyler Murray was under six feet, but Kyler Murray is built like, you know, a pretty big. This dude is slight. And the comparison that everyone makes, everyone makes to Bryce Young is Steph Curry, not not Hey, but Colt McCoy was this size or Chase Daniel was this size. No, they go NBA Steph Curry because of his point guard qualities at quarterback. Word is that Nick Saban has been singing about this guy.
And you can say, well, Nick Saban sings about all these guys. He does, he does, but I don't think he's been singing about Jalen Hurts to or Back Jones like he sings about this guy. Bryce Young, first Alabama quarterback to win the Heisman obviously has had a ton of success under Nick Saban in that offense. But he has been that dude since he was a high school player in Pasadena, California and came out here. He is
incredible in meetings. His voice is a little softer than you might imagine, like this, like the Will Levis type or one of these guys. He's a soft spoken young man, but has like the leadership of a general. It's what everyone says. He can lead the room. He's a savant of the game and in the pocket he is so elusive. If you watch some of these clips, he can move like no one else can right now in the NFL. In the pocket, he's got crazy footwork. The con of course,
is that that was against the SEC defenders. That's great, that's fine. The NFL has guys who are six foot seven six ft. The Atlanta Falcons have Calais Campbell, who's gonna be breathing down his neck. The Atlanta Falcons have a ton of other players that are gonna be coming for him. David an Yumada is a huge guy. You go to the Saints, Cam Jordan's a different type of beast than what he saw in the SEC the past few years. I think the number one pick is going
to be Bryce Young. I say that on April eleventh, and I think that's the right pick if Carolina is comfortable with his size everything else. Nothing against c J. Stroud, Levis or Richardson. I just believe that Bryce Young has all those qualities to be a face of the franchise and be the quarterback for the Carolina Panthers in the future. Number four, what's up with Cliff Yeah Kingsbury news late last night is that he's going to be working with the USC Trojans Now. The last time we spoke, As
you guys know, I'm very close with Cliff Kingsbury. He it was in Thailand the last time we did this, and that was around Super Bowl and he left. I actually hung out with him the Friday of Super Bowl at his place in Arizona, so he was back. We had a long talk and the debate was do I want to come back to football take a year off, or do I want to do TV? Do I knew anything like that? Cliff really never was considering the TV stuff.
He wanted to lay low. However, multiple teams expressed interest and bringing him in either for an interview or just giving him the job straight up. In the NFL, as the offensive coordinator. He did go and meet with the Houston Texans. He did have a really good interaction with
to Miko Ryan's but it wasn't the right fit. He wasn't ready to take that job and take on the responsibility of being an offensive coardiner in the NFL in Houston at this time because I need a little breath, and if they can't give me a couple, you know, weeks whatever, as I consider and think this out, then it's probably not best for us. So Houston moves on. They hire Bobby Slowik, who was with Demiko and San Francisco. Everyone's happy. They'll have a quarterback at number two and
they'll be fine. In the last couple of weeks, Cliff was thinking about things. He has been traveling a lot. He's been all over different countries. He's been all over the America. He was in Miami for a bit. I know that I had a friend who was like, I think I saw Cliff Kingsbury at the Ultra Festival in Miami at a rave. I'm like, it's possible. Sure enough, Cliff was in Miami that weekend. Yes, he was. Cliff
Kingsbury and Lincoln Riley go back a long way. Of course, they have history together and they've had several quarterbacks that have overlapped over the years. And position was presented where you could live in Los Angeles. You're not going to be a title of coordinator. You're not gonna have to route as much as if you were the head coach of a college program. I don't even know how much recruiting Cliffs is gonna do. I remember when he was
last year and I were talking. We were talking about Texas Tech and all the stuff, and He's like, I just can't imagine doing the recruiting stuff again, especially now with Nil and all that. Stuff like that did not appeal to him. Cliff Kingsbury, he's a coach. That's what he wants to He wanst a coach. And so when you give him this Caleb Wilson, who is the Heisman Trophy winner and it is going to be the first or second overall pick next year, you give him Lincoln Riley,
who's a dear friend. You give him Los Angeles, which is a place where he was already heart. His heart was already set on living when he accepted the USC offensive coordinator job a few years ago before bolting for the Cardinals, and then you say, Okay, you could still keep your place in Arizona. You could keep you could have a new place in usc you could live in
both places. You can you know, be part of this great run we're doing, but we're not going to commit you to this all in head coach recruiting type deal. I think it's the perfect situation. Look, there's a lot of people who are so critical a Cliff. I don't understand that. Everyone's you know, I was on a text chain and an agent was texting me and he was like, all this guy does is fail upwards. I'm like, he's taking a consultant role on a college football team, Like
why is that? It's not like he was just given one hundred million dollars to go coach the Patriot's like he was, He's going. He likes coaching, he wants to coach this kid. He wants to have some sort of work life balance, and I think he's gonna get it. So I'm happy for Cliff. We'll see if he if he if he hits the ground running and he's all in on this thing, or if it's one of those deals where he's coaching but he's also keeping his eye in the NFL and we'll see what happens after that.
All right, we're leading up to the draft. We just got a couple of weeks. Do you have a favorite draft prospect that you've been watching or that you're excited to see where they go, you know at the end of the month. But we just did a four hour tongue wagging session on Bryce Young. I think he could do is as commercial. I don't know who Bryce Young's agent is, and I will say this, this is gonna be a different I don't know who any of these guys agents are. I take pride in that I don't.
I get this all the time when I'm like talking about prospects and then they'll say, like, it's because he's friends with the agent. I'm like, most most of these guys agents, I don't even know who they are. And they've got NFL prospects that are making one hundred million dollars and they've got NFL players that are on their second contracts. These agents, aren't they know that, you know, they could give me a heads up on this guy that's that's impressing team, or this guy met with this team.
But anything an agent tells me is not going to help where this player gets drafted. Truly. Like I could talk about Bryce Young all day long. If if the Panthers want to take CJ. Stroud, because Peter Schreker was talking about Bryce Young on Good Morning Football, it's not going to get him drafted before CJ. Stroud. That said, I've got a guy I like. He's a wide receiver at a All Miss, and I'm surprised he's not getting
all the love that everyone else got. He was at the Senior Bowl, he was at the Combine, and he's built like all these old Miss guys. And he's six foot two, he's two hundred and twenty pounds, he runs a four or four or forty. I'm talking about my guy, Jonathan Mingo. Remember that name, Jonathan Mingo. He might go
second or third round. I don't know, but I could see Jonathan Mingo being that dude who we're at the twenty eight twenty nine thirty part of the draft and a team's like, you know what, We're taking Jonathan Mingo? All right? So Mingo did not have huge numbers. He had a foot injury a couple of years ago, but he is six to two twenty and comes from the same factory of wide receivers at AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Elijah Moore have all come from in recent years, and
everyone said he's an awesome interview. He runs the routes, he's raw physically because he's such a big guy that you know you could do anything with him. I just saw this happen with A. J. Brown, I saw it happen with DK Metcalf, and I saw it happen with Elijah Moore. I don't know why everyone's against the giant wide receiver out of all miss I am into that. I think those guys are three for three for having
some success in the league. And if anything, I'll trust the history from that school and a guy who I'm told as interviewing really well and went to the Senior Bowl and played as a you know, as a senior at college like in the SEC. So that's my name. Everyone's gonna give you all these different prospects, and that's great. I usually have an eye for these things and usually hear it from the right people. I'm gonna say, Jonathan
Mingo Aaron and I do not know who his agent is. Awesome. Well, um, I am excited to see especially because his size profile is so different than all these other receivers that we have in this draft. I mean kind of like Bryce Young on the quarterbacks. But yeah, Mingo got some some buzz around the Senior Bowl, so we should That'll be fun to see where he goes. Was there five points? We go through it? Aaron's feel good to be back.
It feels great. One thing we didn't hit, and I want to spring it on you because I assume you're all caught up. We're Succession, Season four, episode three. Oh my god, if you tell me you haven't watched it yet, Like, what are we doing? As mister? Should we move to the ad break now? I just haven't watched you haven't watched it. Now, I haven't watched this episode. I haven't watched any of it. I haven't watched any of success You've never seen an episode of Succession, never seen it?
What are you doing? What do you want to know? I know I think at this point I am chasing you. Yeah, I think it's I'm just gonna wait till the end and then watch all of it at once. I don't I don't know. I know it's amazing. Everyone tells me it's amazing. Like, I'll admit to you, I never saw a Game of Thrones. I never saw an episode of it. Um, I don't as a New Yorker, as someone who loves media, as someone Aaron, this is a I'm gonna say this, This is an atrocity. Yeah, I know, I was. I
was hoping you We're gonna bring it up. We are, We're gonna go We're gonna go to a commercial break. I don't even know if we have commercials. We're gonna go to a commercial break right now. We're gonna hash this out. We'll be back in a second. One thing we pride ourselves on and this podcast is being ahead of the curve, but also being a smart podcast. We're
not just gonna be throwing stuff at the wall. We want to make you smarter when you're listening to it, and we want to make you aware of trends that are coming and things that are happening in the league. And you know, I've been doing a lot of work on the draft the last few months and obviously in the last few weeks as I build my first mock draft is going to come out next week. Been talking to teams directly and when you talk to teams. They use a lot of those terms. They use the hip swivel,
they use the catchability radius. They talk about, you know, this guy's really good above the neck, which means he's smart. And that's a word that you would never use in real conversation. You would ever say the words this person's really impressive above the neck. That's what they say in conversations. And one thing that continues to be mentioned that I had not heard of, and I'm almost ashamed I haven't.
It's something called the S two score. The S two score, So okay, I'm nodding along, And a lot of these conversations and multiple teams are mentioning the S two, the S two. And I grew up in a wonderlick world, so I've always known the wonderlock one to forty and if this train starts at you know, stop, a train b ends, it stops c and who is the fast train? All that stuff. I grew up in a wonderlick draft world. Sounds like there's a new show in town. It's the
S two, and it is a processing test. And to get it explained better than me going on the company website and trying to read I thought I would bring someone from the company itself. This is our guest today. This is Brandon Ally, and Brandon Ally is from the
S two test. I don't know what are you coming with the companies called or whatever it's but Brandon, when I reached out on the company website and said contact us, your email came up, we interacted, you showed you sent me white papers, and I am fascinated by any new measure of intelligence and processing that this league is using. And I know the NFL network and ESPN are not talking about the S two scores yet, but they might be soon. Brandon Ally, Welcome to the season with Peter Schreeker.
Thank you, appreciate it. Glad to be here. Brandon explained, what is the S two test, dude, And start off with what the test is, and then I'll pepper you with questions because I love the stuff. Yeah. Man, so I think it's really clear because you you illustrated a great a great point with the wonderlick. Right, These IQ tests, these intelligence tests, Uh, you know, there's there's no football player on the planet that is when the ball is
snapped going to have to decide how fast trains are moving. Um, and so we actually we stay away from the whole IQ piece, the whole intelligence, the whole book smarts things
that is absolutely not what we measure. When we're gonna go ahead and assume that these scouts in front offices have done their homework on how well a guy is going to learn their playbook, how well they can understand complexity and things like that, what we measure are those speeded, rapid cognitive processing that occurs once the ball is snapped. So as an example, uh, you know you can you can hear all of the arm armchair quarterbacks in the world tell you, well, if the dB covers the curl,
you throw to the flat. If he covers the flat, you throw it to the curl. It's way more complex than that. And they can tell you the rules. There's a host of quarterbacks that can tell you the rules. But when the ball is snapped and they have to filter through all of those rules, they become slow, they hesitate, they may throw to the wrong route. So we're interested
in those cognitive processes. Is very rapid processing of visual information, speeded decision making and execution of athletes when they're in the game. So that's a big differentiator from previous things or what's out there currently, whether they're really just tapping into a player's IQ or their book smarts or their
ability to understand concepts within football. All right, so you see with the wonderlock, and I hate to keep mentioning a competitor, and you're probably like, ah, we don't really acknowledge it. We just call it IQ test. Fine, IQ test. Here are twelve questions in four minutes. Can you finish it? And can you get them as many right as possible? What is the S two tests? How do you measure processing in a test like form? So it's important to note that you know, Scott and I my co founder,
Scott Wiley, we didn't invent these tasks. These tasks have been in laboratories around the world for decades to understand how the brain works in speeded environments. So every you know, we present stimuli and you have to respond most of the time on our test in under half of a second or within a second. Right, And they're facing these tasks that have been used in the laboratory for decades,
and we try to understand the system itself. So I'm going to use an example of impulse control, right, impulse control task for us is one of the best predictors of chase rates in Major League Baseball. It's one of the best predictor of interception rate for quarterback hold penalties for offensive linemen. We test the system. So think about when you're sitting at a red light right in the turn lane next to you turns green, and you hit the gas and you go and you you hit the
break right. That's your impulse control system engaging. Some of us are quicker and don't fall prey to that kind of stuff, and others of us, man, we're hitting it as soon as it turns green. We can test that overall system and then make That's where Scott and I have sort of built the business around, is interpreting that
in how it's going to manifest on the field. So impulse control is really important for chasing sliders out of the zone, you've got to inhibit that, or for partial read throwing it into traffic because it looked good right off the snap right, you've got to inhibit those responses. So we test that system using sort of classic laboratory tests. Give me an example of a classic laboratory test without having it, you know, visually in front of us right now.
But if I'm Peter Schreeger PROSPECTS seven thirty five at the combine, I'm sitting down for an S two tests. What is the actual test? Yep? So our test is about forty five minutes in which you sit in front of a specialized gaming system that was built for millisecond precision. One of the tests that I think a lot of companies may use is object tracking, So how many objects You've got to broaden your attention and keep track of
many moving objects? Right? An example of a laboratory based test is you may you may have to track three or four objects for ten or fifteen seconds. And here's where Scott and I got a little bit more sophisticated, is that's not how football operates, right. You've got to have a play is three to five seconds. And so we duplicated with how many objects are on the screen. Is what a quarterback or a safety is going to have to look at. And we actually measured how quickly
dbs and receivers move across the field. And so that's how quickly our balls move across the screen. It's only for three or five seconds like an NFL play, So we really tried to narrow down the laboratory tests, which may have ten or fifteen balls moving across the screen and you've got to keep track of three of them. We push the limits there. We make these defensive backs and these middle linebackers have to track nine objects, right, because that might be their life within three seconds at
the speed in which the game moves. So it's really it's sports specific in that respect, but it is a classic sort of computer based laboratory test. I'm interested in the business of this stuff too, So the Wonderlock for years is the gold standard. You guys come up with this idea which is using classic tests but also using modern technology. How do you get teams to buy in to use it, how do you get prospects to agree to do it? How do you get that story? What's
your origin story? If I'm on Shark Tank and you're trying to pitch it to me, what's the story behind the story? Yeah, so I'll give you a little bit of origin story, and then I'll give you the way that we operate. Because I think there's a lot of misconceptions out there about who has access to the data and all of those kind of things. So Scott and
I were both college athletes. I was a student athlete at the University of Tennessee in the early nineties when coach Tommy Moffatt was there, and he's the strength of conditioning coach. It was just recently the strength and conditioning coach at LSU. And I've had a twenty five year relationship with Tommy, and so in twenty thirteen, I picked up the phone and said, Hey, here's what Scott and I are doing. And he was like, a guy, you got to get down here and give this to the coaches.
So really we built the product at LSU. We bade attested time and time again and again. Scott and I we weren't like, hey, we know football. You know, Scott played college football and college baseball. But it was one of those things where we went to the experts and you know, we asked Corey Raymond, Hey, what do defensive backs have to do? What do you have? What do
your safeties have to do? And we worked through this process for a few years at LSU, and then what happened was the Saints, who were right down the road from LSU. I think Jeff Ireland was at LSU for a day or something scouting players and Jack Marucci, who's one of our biggest allies, we don't don't we don't put anything out in the market without working with Jack
for a year on it. Jack mentioned this to Jeff, and Jeff picked this up, and so we went through a three year period where we worked with exclusively with the Saints and Cowboys, just figuring out does the product measure what we say it measures, does it predict on field performance, those kinds of things. And once that was sort of rolling after about three years, we decided we were going to go to one team in every division because we didn't want everybody to have access this. We
wanted some level of exclusivity to get in there. So we went to one team in every division and it kind of worked through through guys they trusted and through guys they knew. So Jeff Ireland had worked with Brandon, so he picked up the phone and called Brandon Bean. Chris Ballard was in the initial Ryan Poles when he was at the Chiefs were one of the initial groups. So we then had a small, tight knit group that
we really worked with. Their analytics groups, We really validated, we did test retest, we did players on and off ADHD Meds. I mean, we really dug into this, and then a year and a half ago we decided we wanted to open up a little bit more. And right now it's just open to two teams in every division, so only half of the league gets these scores, and so we are not. And the way it operates, the contracts operate, is those teams own the data, So we're
not allowed to discuss the data. We're not allowed to give the data anybody else. Any scores that you see in the media or leaked or whatever that's not us, that's coming from either agents or front offices, or or just supposition, because we've seen some outright way off the mark claims. But ultimately only only right now, only fifteen teams get the data and use it in their process. Well, you can tie it to my sources if you guys
follow us. Who's got the data? Who doesn't? When I told you that, I keep on hearing about the s two scores. How does the prospect in the combine then take this test and then how do they use that as something that they can use as a pro as opposed to a con Yeah, great, great question. So in about twenty sixteen, we started going to all the All Star games. So we go to the NFLPA Game, the Gridiron Game, East West Senior Bowl, and at the time
we went to the Combine. And so every year we get about eight hundred to eight hundred and fifty draft eligible prospects for our teams in COVID. All testing stopped at the Combine. So it is it is, we've we've got to find these guys who've got to go to their pro days. We've got to we've got to get go to thirty visits for these teams, and they're willing to do it. The players, the prospects, the agent is like, go and sit there for forty five minutes. For most
of the time. It is part of their process. It is part of it's built into the bowl games. So I'm not gonna lie. At the Combine. It was probably six hours of testing these athletes did. It was part of their process. Wonderlick was one of them that everybody did. The NFL has their own tool, the pat that they do. Everybody does that, and then every group of teams also
has their own tests. I think for the most part, it's really beneficial to engage in this from the S two perspective, I think that you know, when you see this kind of stuff in the media, you're hanging your hat on a number, and it's just the overall number we examine, like I alluded to earlier, nine different specific cognitive tests, and it's really it's the pattern. And what's most important for these athletes and agents to understand and to know is these pattern of results lead to a
particular style of play. And I think it can be really helpful for an athlete to match up with an organization or a coordinator or a particular scheme based on their results. So you may have a we're going to stick with the quarterback position. You may have a quarterback who can't track a ton of moving objects. They may have a little bit of tunnel vision. They may not be able to do four or five Q reads, they
can only do two or three Q reads. You need to know that so that you can build your playbook in your system around that athlete rather than forcing them into what you're doing. I think one of the most enlightening comments we ever heard was from Dave Randa, who was like, Wow, man, I have been trying to fit my players into my scheme I should be building my scheme around what these kids can do. And it's like, yeah, absolutely. So for an athlete, it will help them at the
next level. A get up to speed, quick, quicker, and be your front office and coaches know what you're how you're wired, how you're built for the game, so that they can plan around that. You get this this test up and running, you're rolling. And now what's a good score, like what's in the wonder like Ryan Fitzpatrick to forty? We talk about it, Johnny Menzel get the high score, we talk about it. A player gets a low score, we roll our eyes and say, you know, and we
dance around that that topic. What's a high score? What's a low score? And if I was to rally around my client, if I'm an agent talking to teams, am I what am I saying? Yep? Great question. So as opposed to those tests that just make up their own scoring scales, what we do is we take their raw data and we provide Z scores and then translate that into percentiles. So every score you hear, that's how that
player ranks among all test takers. So our database is about four thousand professional football players, and so if you hear they scored an eighty seven. That means they scored better than eighty seven percent of all football players taking the test. Okay, so buy statistics and buy our normal shape distribution. Fifty is average, So if you score fifty, you're dead in the middle of all pro players. I just want that in perspective because most of the time
here somebody yeah yeah. And so our average range is between forty and sixty. So if you score at forty four, people are like, holy smokes. Forty four is average. I mean that is an average NFL player as an average pro player. So score we consider elite is eighty and above. What we score high average is sixty to eighty. Average is forty to sixty. Below average is twenty to forty. And you know, one of the one of the poorer scores between zero and twenty, which you just don't see
that often in pro football. All right, two more questions from me. The first one is I never played football at any level, but I counsider myself a quick processor. Can I walk in and get an eighty seven percent? Or do you need to have football to be able to do the test itself? Yep, No, this is not football. Specific. All of our batteries of tasks are different for each for each sport, but it requires zero football knowledge, and I think that's where we sort of separate ourselves from
other other products. We're truly measuring the way the brain is wired and how that will influence their play, versus needing some sophisticated knowledge. I'll tell you this is pretty cool because we wanted to get in the question of gaming in these elite gamers and how do they score against athletes? Right, Yeah, So we took the top ten Halo players in the world and put them on this football battle and on average these guys scored sixty eight
So they scored only about sixty eight percent. So when you see these quarterbacks with these elite scores, they're better processing. They're quicker processors than the best gamers in the world. I think it's important context. Obviously, this is a contract deal where you work with teams and you work with prospects and you work at the balls. If an everyday Joe just wanted to listen to this podcast and see how they could fare, they could always google a Wonderlick
test and try to take it. Is there a sample test on the website that there's somewhere where we could test ours two scores, whether getting into the gaming screens or not. Is there a way to be able to do it if you're not a part of an NFL team or trying to have have for the NFL. Yeah, so we yes, I'll say yes and no. So we have our elite system that's built on laboratory based precision. We carry around these proprietary response pads that can capture reaction
time within one one thousandth of a second. We have scaled onto Xbox and so we're using that Xbox model for the sub collegiate level. So anybody bought a college will probably be on the Xbox. And we have testing centers around the country that are primarily you know, sports based facilities, your d ones, your travel baseball facilities, those kinds of things that you could walk in and take a test. Okay, last one, extra one, nature versus nurture
on this thing. Could you take any high school athlete PLoP them in there is there a chance that kid could get a ninety? Absolutely? Yep, yep. This is testing the way the system your brain is wired and and this is this is not something that you can study for. This is not something you could practice a bunch. We've seen you know, we've seen the the It's interesting you see these scores lead you hear the Bryce Young story. And we did test Bryce in high school, right, he
was at the Quarterback Collective. We work with Richmond followers and the Quarterback Collective guys. But this is not something that you're like, Hey, Bryce took it as a high schooler and he kept taking it at Alabama, so he's going to score better. It is how you're wired. Bryce literally scored the same as he did at at his facility as he did when he was a junior in
high school. So the system isn't changing that much. I'll say there is some brain maturation, right, I mean, your brain is still developing until you're early twenties, so there's a little bit of moving the needle. But this is how you're wired. And for those that are interested in training, because you can improve You're not going to improve your score on our test. You can improve that specific cognitive skill in the field. So you've got to do all
of your work on the field. We would never recommend somebody go in and take these iPad apps and stay on the iPad. Hey, I'm gonna improve your batting average by thirty points if you do this iPad app. That's not how it works. It won't transfer it on the field. You actually have to do very so if it cognitively focused drills on the field to improve performance. So you can't hire someone from the Capitlan SATC service and have them tutor you and just prep you for the test
like I did for the That is impossible. And every every test we do you're required well, I would say ninety percent of the test your responses are within half a second. Yeah, So there's no like studying. There's no like gaming it or practicing it. I mean, this is the only way you can do is not give full effort and you'll get hammered. That test prep wasted. Anyway, I got a three ninety in math and I paid a tutor and the whole thing, And yeah, that was that. Uh, Brandon,
you're the man. Where you guys located. We're based out of Nashville, Tennessee. Nashville, Tennessee. That's really cool. You're a young guy and you and your partner are building a really cool business. And I could already feel and making an impact in the NFL, and it feels like it's a cool grassroots story that you guys built us yourselves. Congratulations, dude, appreciate it, man, thanks for having me on. Really appreciate this,
no doubt. Guys. Brandon Ally, what's the company called if people want to look it up, Brandon S two cognition dot com. We've got a lot of social media stuff where we try to post some educational content if you're interested in in you know how you know how cognition plays out on the sports field. Um, yeah, follow us on social and listen to our podcasts and yep, love it all right, dude, thank you so much for joining us, and I'm sure we'll be hearing about the S two
cognitive tests in the next couple of weeks. Thanks brother, I really appreciate it. You know, we could have had on a GM maybe we will, or a draft prospect. I'm finding them to get they're all like running together. We do one good Morning Fall interview, like eight prospects a day, and I can't even get them straight. They all are just wonderful young men. But it's like, I don't know if I need to hear from a nineteen year old kid about training for the draft. Um, I
sounded pretty dismissive. Sorry, uh, but we were talking as we get back, Like, Brandon ally is the type of guest Aaron like I want to have on I'd never heard of S two cognitive tests. Apparently it's been around for a while and teams are using it to get an edge on the other half of the league. I
find that interesting. Yeah, I want to know what those other half of the league teams need to do to get the S two tests, because it sounds like, you know, if you're some of these people are getting my leg up. I think it's a competitive advantage. Brandon was cool too, young guy at a Nashville and anyone who's an entrepreneur and could build their own company, I appreciate that stuff. We're gonna end the pod with what we're gonna do
every week. I think we're gonna take reader tweets and respond, I said, off Mike, and I'm not copying anybody, but like, I love when Ryan Russillo does life advice. I love when Bill Simmons and cousin sal do parent corner. This isn't exactly reinventing the wheel. Let's read some tweets. What do we got eron? Yes, so we did. We did some tweets and some emails, and we got a couple questions, some of my favorite ones here, what's your take on
the Amazon Thursday Nights stuff? Okay, So I wasn't at the league meetings, usually I am, and I hear it was like a pretty interesting room where it was presented that the Amazon Thursday Night schedule would have the ability to flex games at the end of this season. And there is a big contingent that was for that, and I believe from what it sounds like, the league was more than willing to help push that over the finish line.
But then there was a strong contingent against it in that it's not fair to the fans, like Week fourteen, Week fifteen, Week sixteen, if you've bought your tickets for US Sunday in December and then you're told the game is actually Thursday Night at seven thirty. John Marrow was the biggest voice of that, the owner of the Giants, and to me, I'm always amazed that it could get to that point that it gets to the room and we're out a vote, and now John Mara's voicing like
his this pleasure for it. But that's what these league meetings are. You have thirty one different people in that room. Thirty two it's a representative from Green Bay, and they have opinions, and it's an open forum. You know, David Tepper is worth you know how many billion he's got, and he owned Wall Street. He's got a voice in that room. And so does you know Mike Brown who's the owner of the Bengals, and it's a family run business,
and he's got a thought. Now, from what I'm told, the argument for the pro side of it is not the Amazon people, you know, lobbying like we're in DC on the Hill or something. What it is is it's Amazon paid a lot of money for a standalone package, just like ESPN pays a lot of money for a standalone package. Now, if you're CBS or Fox, you get
a slate of seven games every weekend. So you could kind of say, all right, we had an expectation that Packers Giants was going to be important, but the Packers have three wins and the Giants have six wins this year. In this instance, actually San Francisco, New Orleans, that's who we're sending our crew to and we're gonna tell them on Monday and they'll be there Sunday and we've got that game. Amazon did not have that luxury last year,
and nor did ESPN. So ESPN had a late season Packers Rams Monday Night game that I don't remember, but I'm sure when they were given that game in May before last season, Packers, Rams, McVeigh, Stafford, Rogers, all that stuff, they expected to have the game of the year late season. Well it wasn't. It was a dud. ESPN is part of their deal. They get some flex games now at the end of the season. It makes sense they had no other choice. That was the only game they can get.
And as much as a scheduling quirk that might be, it is fair for a media company, according to those who are in favor of this thing, to have that luxury, no matter who had the Thursday night game, whether it was Apple or Google, or if you're not CBS and you're not NBC and you're not Fox, you're getting dealt what the league gives you. And you're straddled with this thing despite paying the same money as the other guys. So I understand it, and it's a better product, and
it helps everybody to have people watching foot ball. But I also hear the other side of it. It's kind of BS for the players, it's kind of BS for the fans, and it's kind of BS for the season ticket holders who have to base their lives around those games. When the schedule comes out in May. Right now, it sounds like they don't have enough votes, but they're a couple short. In May, they're gonna vote on it again. I'd be shocked if it doesn't pass. All right. Number two,
we already talk succession a little bit. What's another show you watched while you were off? All right? So it sounds like the guy who comes along in you know, twenty twenty three, and it's like you never see Seinfeld. It's pretty funny. I resisted ted Lasso for a long time because I just, I don't know, It's like it seemed very hokey dokey, and it seemed a little cringey when I would see the ads. This show is an awesome I've loved it. I am cursing up a storm.
We binged a shit out of Ted Lasso while we were off, while I was off with Praternity Leave. I love it. I love everything about it. I think it's well written. I think it's got so much heart. I think the soccer stuff is good. I think it's funny. And I am so into Lasso that you know, this is a show that's not a streamer that everyone just being just like I am caught up to date. I've been watching the first few episodes of season three and I'm like up to date and I am ready. I
don't know what dy it drops. I honestly don't. I just I get excited. I opened the Apple app and it's there. I don't know, said Akas. I don't know any of the show runners. I don't know Bill Lawrence. I don't know guys. Hats off to them to have an earnest, yet well written comedy that isn't in the Michael Shore parks and rec mockumentary, abbot elementary mocumentary office mockumentary format of everyone you know is looking at a camera off screen, rolling their eyes, because that's just what
comedy has become. It's a real show that is like old school. I feel like I'm watching Cheers every week. I love it. I have no cynicism. I know you said you don't watch Succession Aaron, have you done Ted Lasso? I have. So. We were so into season one, loved it, loved it, loved it, watched all season two as well. Have not started season three yet. Um there were there were elements of season two that didn't hook me the
same way one did. One was was just beautiful. I thought, Um, I personally I didn't love when the assistant coach like kind of turns evil. Yes, spoiler alert, I apologize, it's actually a weird subplot. Still, yeah, it continues on to season three, and I'm not gonna give anything away, but I agree, like, I still don't. I still don't know why he's so angry at Ted. Yeah, and um he there, Yeah, there were elements of that. I also, uh, I know that Beard is one of the writers, but I remember
last season like Beard episode, be Beard episode. I was like, ah, if you're not, if you don't watch it. Basically, they have this normal show and the plot advances, and then on like episode nine, Coach Beard just has this long, never ending night where he ends up in like glitter pants and he's it's just like this deep, deep cut of an assistant coach, a secondary character. I read after the fact because I did not like that episode either.
People love it, Aaron, people love it. I think it's like I look and apparently they had done eight episodes in scripts and then they were like supposed to do two more so on the back end they did that and the Christmas episode and they kind of just dropped them in. People love the Beard episode. Yeah, no, I know, yep, it didn't hit for me. That's you know, it's okay. Yeah. Season three is a new character in it who I'm already digging. And there's some strange Aaron Rodgers parallels to
this character. I'll leave it as that. Did see Sadakis at a Nick game. He was sitting courtside. I was not, but he was with the cast of Ted Last So and those guys look like they actually really get along off camera too, which is pretty cool. Yeah. Another show I've been watching that I'm not sure if you watch is your friend Paul Rodd's Party Down. So explain, because I've watched Party Down on Bravo years ago. Stars Yes, Stars Love, Adam Scott Love, Martin Star Love, Lizzie Kaplan
what is? And then I kind of I missed this? So Stars has and Paul Rudd was an executive producer and a writer and all that. It's back or it's a reunion show. What is it? A little bit of both? They revived it reunion, it's it like takes place post pandemic and it's I think six. They're like like Martin Star, it's like a forty year old man. He's a forty
year old cater still. Yeah, so they're all I mean, the premise of the show is people in LA who are in some creative field, typically who their side job is a catering business. The beauty of the setup of the show is that it takes place at a new event every week. So sometimes it's a dance or it is a fundraiser or it's a big award ceremony, and the caterers are always the same, but they're working these different events. And this one is kind of like catching
up with everyone. Adam Scott is back with the catering company. It is. I laughed so much watched Okay, so here's my question. I remember vaguely watching episode here there whatever. I wasn't like a party down. Can I jump in on these? Yeah? There there will be There are new characters. There are some jokes that are like paid off from long, long time ago. But you don't need by any means. Yeah, okay, I love this stuff. All right, what's your last one?
I'm sure? Yeah. And we had plenty of football related ones that we answered earlier, but this one is really, I think the most draft relevant question we received, which is, what are your thoughts on the Super Mario movie? I loved it? Can I tell you why I loved it? Eighty two minutes? Holy? Was that enjoyable? Eighty two minutes? It's in and out. As a fellow Brooklyn resident, you'll
appreciate it starts off in animated Brooklyn. And I don't need to go through the entire plot of the Mario Brothers movie with you, but I will tell you this. It's eighty two minutes. It starts. You know, every character. I don't know if you need to know the backstory on the Mario saga, but they give you one. You know, comes from a couple of parents that were, you know, expecting more out a young Mario in Luigi, and yet here they are saving the world. Loved it, My son
loved it. It made three hundred and seventy seven million dollars worldwide in its first weekend. That's no surprise. And I think the coolest thing is and this could be, you know, a bad sign, but I think the Marvel thing. And again I might be on like Reddit in bad ways, but like the Marvel things seem to be petering out a little bit. The DC thing keeps on having to these upstarts. We haven't even started the Nintendo thing. And you know, I think everyone was burned by the original
Mario movie, which is now becoming a cult classic. People are going back me. I'm like Bob Hoskins in the original Nintendo movie. He deserved an award. If this opens the door to a Zelda movie, and this opens a door to a Castlevania movie, if this opens the d to a Metroid, to Ninja guiding, you name it, I'm here for it. And in the previews, there was a Ninja Turtles preview for a movie coming out in August.
That's a new Ninja Turtles movie. So I am just hitting this awesome period with my son where he can sit through a movie. But if you tell me it's a three hour movie, or if there's dark, you know, plot twist with death littered throughout it, I'm not in on it. Mario, great movie. Enjoyed it? Jack Black singing Peaches Market Market down right now? April eleventh, Peter Schreeger saying, Jack Black will win an Oscar for Best Song at
the Oscars next year. I know how hungry the Academy Awards are for stars and for any sort of relevance, and I also think it deserves it. Jack Black singing the song Peaches, It's King, It's it's Bowser's epic nod to the princess and his love for her. All right, putting you on the spot here, you don't have to answer this if you don't want. Who would be your dream directors for a Zelda, A Metroid, a Castlevania movie? Okay?
Dream directors? Do I have to say to Daniels um No, I would say, uh, gosh, I would love a Pta look at Zelda the Journey, um you know for for for Zelda with with Paul Thomas Anderson would be great. Uh. Metroid would have to be probably like you're going Ridley Scott style, like you gotta go go that way? And what was the last one Castlevania Sylvania? Yeah? Any of them? Yeah? I mean obviously you can go with with Jordan Peel for Castlevania, or you can go with Eli roth Um.
I gotta think I know he says he's retiring after this next one, but I gotta think a Tarantino spin on Paperboy would be a fantastic, fantastic film. I had a group text with some friends. We actually were debating this the other day, and my submission was a Wes Anderson fantastic mister Fox style Yoshi's story, all cutouts and everything, but awesome. That's the podcast. Aaron Won Kaufman, you are
the man. Jason English, you are the best from iHeart obviously, we love all our folks at the NFL with Meredith Batten and Matt Schneider and Jason Kleman and us getting this thing back off the ground and up and running again. It would took a little hiatus. That's okay, we're back. We're gonna get your draft stuff. To our guest Brendan Ally, and to you the listeners, I'm Peter Schreeger and this is the season. Joy. The Season with Peter Schreeger is
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