The Season with Peter Schrager: Giants GM Joe Schoen, Geno Smith’s Unbelievable Season, Tua and the Dolphins, and a Deep Dive into the DJ Moore Helmet Removal Penalty

I love Halloween. I don't. I don't remember liking it in my twenties. I wasn't the guy who now that I have a kid, like it is the most fun, pure joy, electric feeling to be out there on the streets, like in a neighborhood trick or treating, and I think about, like, you know, how much fun these kids are having, how pure it all is. And then I think back to my twenties and early thirties when I was a single guy having to like get dressed up and be creative and go and try to you know, have this like

a drunken night or whatever it was. Aaron, where are you in your life? Cycle right now? And where's your take on Halloween? You know, I've been all over. I had a couple great Halloween. So we're all about the costume and like going out and doing stuff. I think right before COVID, my girlfriend and I went to a party that was like two things parties, so you had to be a combination of two things. So my favorite costume there was Jonathan Van s and M which I

just thought was like an incredible combo of things. We went as Interpol jumpers, so like the band Interpol and the Olympic sport pole jumping. Yeah that is so Brooklyn dude. Yeah, yes, so some fun things like that. But this year I didn't dress up at all. This year we went to the in four Green Park, the Pupkin Dog cost contests. Pumpkin Dog Contest. Are you ready for four downs? Oh yeah, let's do it? Man? All right? First down near and dear to my heart, who's the MVP through the first

eight weeks? Do you think? Okay? So it's like kind of like the halfway point of the season. I know they added weeks and then we say there's by way. I always look at going into week nine as the halfway point. I think Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes are the leaders in the MVP conversation, but I wanted to spend this first down putting out a third name. Gino smit the service of MVP love. Let me get into it here. Seattle has won four of their last five games.

Their only loss in that stretch, of course, was to the Saints in Week five. They have one double digit margins in the last three games. So they blew out Arizona, they blew out the Chargers, they beat the Giants this week, and you look at what Gino is doing. It's like this great soothing character of all these young players who've talked about their rookies. You go through Kenneth Walker and the two offensive tackles who are both rookies, and Kobe

Bryant and terk Woollan and boy Am Offa. These are all rookies. They shouldn't be this good this soon. And then you've got this veteran leader in Gino Smith, who is thirty two years old on the fourth consecutive one year contract with the Seattle Seahawks. He has signed four different one year contracts, three of them to be Russ's backup. One of them to battle with Drew Locke, and what's he done? He has been like everything Shane Waldron's offense could ever ask him to be. He's third in QBR

right now. He is right there with Josh Allen and all the different statics statistics. When it comes to completion percentage, he's first in completion percentage, and he's tied for fifth in the NFL with touchdowns, and he's got thirteen. Allen, of course is there with nineteen. I understand it. Josh Allen and the bills of this runaway story, and he is the likely guy. And that's it. But if you're talking about a dark horse who was the darkest of all dark horses back in August, I think Gino's in

the conversation Seattle right now. If this playoffs were to begin, the Seattle Seahawks would be the three seat in the NFC. The Seattle Seahawks with no Russell Wilson, with no Bobby Wagner. They're five and three in their next five games. Downtrodden

Cardinals team, downtrouted Buccaneers team in Munich. You think the last thing the Bucks want to do right now is get on a plane and go to Germany and play football, Like I cannot imagine a place that Brady and those guys want to go less than that, have to go internationally and not just be in their beds and like soak on these and like their wounds, whatever it is. Then they got the Raiders who might have thrown the towel in, and then of course they've got the NFC

West opponents that are coming up after that. But like I look at this team, the Seahawks team, I don't see them getting any worse. I don't see them fading. And when you're telling me the next five games are Arizona Tampa, Raiders at RAMS and then the Carolina Panthers, we could be talking about a team that it is like fighting for that one or two seed in the NFC if they're doing that. Gino Smith thirty two year old Gino Smith on a one year contract where three

million dollars is in the MVP conversation. All right, second down? Did two approve anything to you on Sunday? Or was that just a bad Lions defense? Well, Aubrey Pleasant, who's a friend of mine, was shown the door. He was defensive backs coach in Detroit and their defense has been putrid. Aubrey will bounce back and he'll find a gig. He's one of the good young coaches in the league. But I don't think that was just against a bad team.

I think Tah is the real deal right now. And they are five and oh in games that Tua has started and completed this season. And on Sunday it was one of these deals where they're down big early and it's like, Okay, we saw you do it against Baltimore early in the season. Can you do it again? Can you do it on the road again? And there's two just throwing buttery passes, like beautiful passes to Hill, to Waddle to Gasecki, And then you see things from Shirtfield

and most are Tuah is that dude? And I think when Tua was gone and they lost three games, you start to realize, Okay, maybe this isn't just you know, a stop gap at quarterback, Toll their next guy. Maybe Tua is the quarterback of the Miami Dolphins, not only for the next few years, but for the long term. Look at the numbers, and I'm not a huge stats guy. You know that, Aaron, but he leads the league in

passer rating right now with one twelve. Okay, he leads the league in passing yards per attempt with nine yards per every time he throws the ball, and he is third in completion percentage, meaning he's reliable. Then you go to what those two wide receivers are doing and how he gets them the ball in the most perfect ways where sometimes it's behind the line of scrimmage and people want to roll their eyes and say, okay, well that's not a good No. He gets them in stride. He

gets them in position to succeed. Right now, Tyreek, who I think I was one of them? I thought his numbers would decline. Not with Mahomes. He leads the league in receiving yards with nine hundred and sixty one. Stefan digs is too, justin Jefferson's three. You know who four is in the league, Jail and Waddle. They're first and fourth in receiving yards. They've combined for one thousand, six

hundred and eighty eight receiving yards this season. That is the most from a teammate duo in the first eight games of a season since the Super Bowl era began in nineteen sixty six. Okay, that is how good these two have been. They're doing stuff that Isaac Bruce and Tory Holt never did. And right now, you look at the numbers, Tyreek hills on pace for two thousand and forty two receiving yards in his first year in Miami. All right, that would break the record for most receiving

yards in a season. I gotta tell you, I think Tyreek has something with Tuah. I think Waddle has something with Tua, and I think Tuah has something in that locker room. I was hesitant to crown twa too early, honestly I was. And then when he left the lineup and that team took a major step back, I said, all right, let's see. I thought sundays win against Detroit was important. It showed that they can win on the basis of Tuah and on Tuah's arm, and he was

sublime in that game. Yeah, all right. Last week we did a little bit of a rule breakdown, So let's do another one third down. What's the taking off the helmet rule? And why is it the DJ Moore got penalized if he was behind the end zone? What happened there? Second week in a row, We've got a call and I want to go like forty eight hours after it was made before we get out to the next week

to kind of discuss it. And I think it's a great question because I still don't know this DJ Moore thing happened with the Carolina Panthers, and it's not the Dallas Cowboys, and it's not the Kansas City Chiefs, and it wasn't on Sunday Football. So I don't know if it's going to get the play that a controversial call

usually would. But let's go through it here. Because the rule states it is a penalty if there is a removal of his own helmet by a player in the field of play or the end zone during a celebration or demonstration, or during a confrontation with a game official or any other player. That's the letter of the law. So the exact rule is quite clear. It is only a foul for a player to remove his helmet to celebrate if he is in the field of play or the end zone. Watch the replay like almost like a

fruit footage. More is neither in the end zone or in the field of play when he removes his helmet. When the helmet comes off, he's out of the end zone. And I don't know. It doesn't matter that he returned to the end zone quickly without his helmet. There's no foul for being in the end zone without a helmet. The foul and the rule book is if you remove

your helmet in the end zone. The language specifically says remove and then Perry Fuel, who is you know, the voice of the refs right now works in the league office, was a very fine job. He came out on Monday Night Football and he was explaining it and he was saying that, well, maybe it was identified wrong because there was other players who took off their helmets. Well in that case, is it not on more? Then you get to this thing where it's like I think it might

have been Larry Flint. I don't mean I'm going off script here. It's completely and it was like if it looks like porn, it's porn, right, Like so Dj Moore ripped his helmet off, Like it looked like he ripped his helmet off. Do we really want to go through whether it was technically in the end zone ver he was in the out of the end zone, like we know the rule is to not take off your helmet.

Emmett Smith rule. It's called from nineteen ninety seven. He clearly rips off his helmet, but it's like almost like a toe drag swag catch on the sidelines, like or his feet in or not. If you're a Panthers fan, you could be very angry right now. And the letter of the law, that guy did not remove his helmet until he was out of the end zone, and there

might not have been a flag. But if you're a common sense fan, you look at that, you're like, yeah, he ripped his helmet off in the field, like you're not supposed to do that. It's dangerous or it's you know, two celebratory whatever. I think both sides have a point. But if we're gonna be rule book people, like we are in the NFL and we're gonna check the letter of the law and we're gonna bank on that, I don't think DJ Moore committed a penalty. All right, Peter,

fourth down? Who do you want to shout out this week? I want to shout out Terry McLaurin a right. Terry mclauren was born in Indianapolis, raised in Indianapolis, went to Cathedral High School. Was Indiana's miss football in high school and it comes back to Indiana against the Colts, and in the biggest of ways, it has an amazing homecoming.

Six catches on eight targets one hundred and thirteen yards, including the huge, huge thirty three yard pass completion at the end of the drive that was an eighty six yard drive from Hinak to basically save the Commander's season. I don't think I'm being, you know, a hyperbolic in

that this is now a four and four team. In the thick of it, in the NFC twenty six or seconds remain, he basically mosses a dude, and the dudey Moss was Stefan Gilmour, who's probably a top five cornerback of his generation, and McLaurin just goes and snatches it. Of course, it puts him within the one yard line, and then Hinak takes care of the rest. But then after the game in the locker room, there's great footage

of all of mclaurin's like boys from high school. Like there's like a crew of like six of them, all wearing McLaurin shirts, all wearing McLaurin jerseys, and they're like celebrating kids like and I don't know, if I'm being overly sympathetic or it's or sentimental or whatever it is, Like, I just I love that. Like I think that is

what it's all about. Your boys from high school who are not in the NFL, your boys from high school who are doing their own thing, getting to see you play in the NFL, and then getting to hang out in the locker room after you make the game winning play.

That's what the NFL is all about. I'm gonna shout out Terry McLaurin, Welcome home, mister football, who gave the Washington Commanders a huge, huge win, but also gave his boys and his family something to smile about on the ride home, probably five minutes away from where that game was played. Yeah, that was. He looked incredible in that game, and the emotion he had on the sideline after that catch was so energy like it just loved watching him there.

What do you got, dude? Fourth down? You give me something? Who do you want to shout out? All right? I mean this, we've we've talked a lot about some of these rookie running backspan a lot of Breeze Hall talk, a lot of Kenneth Walker, a lot of those veteran running backs were great this week. Kamara and CMC each had their tenth game with a rushing and receiving touchdown. But I want to talk about Derrick Henry. Yes, his fourth career game with at least two hundred rushing yards

and two rushing touchdowns against Texans against one team. He's done that with Dadian Thompson, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown. They did that three times total over their career. Derrick Henry has done it six total times, four of those times against the Texans. He is I love watching him. He looks unreal whenever he's out there. It's so fun as the season progresses, just watching him get stronger and stronger. He feels like like I don't know, like a robot.

He's incredible to watch and I just loved watching him. He also had his second touchdown in that game, was his seventy fifth career touchdown, and he has now set the Tennessee franchise record, which was incredible. Passes Eddie George. Yeah, and so now the Titans are in first like is this this? Yeah? I look, this is what they do and it's funny like they trade away a J. Brown and everyone says, well, they're not gonna, you know, be able to compete because they don't have a wide receiver.

That's not really their offense. When things are clicking, it's like they're gonna be bullies, just like their head coach is a bully, like Raybell is not a finesse guy. It's they run the ball downder throat. And they've got two all world players and those All World players are Derrick Henry and Jeffrey Simmons. Who's their defensive end slash tackle, who is in on every play. But Aaron, I go

back to the offseason. We do Good Morning Football and we have to talk so much hypothetical, so much well, who would you rather have this guy or this guy? It was all about Jonathan Taylor this summer, and it was like the crown has been seized. The crown has been taken, and like, I think there's something to be said for that Titans team and for that offensive line and for Derrick Henry and their offensive coordinator Todd Downing to be like, yo, we heard that, and I'll say

it again. The stat you just mentioned, Barry Sam had three two hundred rushing yard games where he had two rushing touchdowns Jim Brown had three of them, but Damian Thomilton at three of them. Derrick Henry has had four against the Texans. That's insane. Great shout out, dude, Derrick Henry's the man. Ladies and gentlemen, We're very excited for our Week nine guest of the season with Peter Schreeger. He is a first year general manager in the Big Apple,

but he is so much more than that. He is a great talent of evaluator, a great family man, and a great visionary in the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen, let's get to know Joe Shane, Joe, what is up man? What's going on? Thanks for having me. I love that you are joining us during the season. Now, this is fresh off the loss in Seattle, so it's the bye week.

What's the first year in New York been? Like? I mean, as a as a person in this backyard, Giants fans are elated right now, regardless of the loss in Seattle, like that, this is exceeding expectations. But for you, you got here in January and now you're here and it's all these months later, we're heading towards Thanksgiving. Like, what's it been like? Yeah, it's been awesome. It's been it's been a lot of fun. You know, early on, you know, trying to feel my way through. You know, again it's

the first time doing it. And then you know, getting day Ball in the building, making the head coaching hire was was big. And then you know, getting the draft process. You're going through that and you know, I brought in Brandon Brown as my assistant general manager, so you know, you're you're working with a staff you you've never been through a draft before, You've never been through meetings before.

So just going through that first time with without really knowing some of your staff members, and then you know, post draft, being able to bring in some some other people on the personnel side that I was familiar with, that are that are very good at their jobs, and you know, again just put in the right people in the right seats. Um. I think it's been very important. And you know, Brian obviously did that with his his coaching staff and then you know some of the personnel

changes and then obviously the early success early on. Uh, you know, it's been good. It's been good. It's been it's been a lot of fun. It's been a fun ride. Six and two we still have a lot of work to do, but we're off to a really good start, and I think that's important when you know there's new leadership, new regime. You know, people talk about culture changes. To see that there are some positive results and dividends early on, you know, where you can kind of trust the process

and what we're implementing. And the players have been unbelievable with their buying. Yeah, I mean, you guys have made tough decisions because you've got the salary cap nightmare walking into this thing and you're like, all right, we got to get rid of this player, gotta get rid of that player. You had to make a trade of a former first round pick. You don't seem scared to pull the trigger where the trigger you feel like it is necessary to be made. Where do you get that from?

And is that kind of the only way you know how to do Let's be fearless and just make decisions whether they're going to be popular or not. Yeah, it's that you got to do what's best for the organization. And Dave's and I talk all the time, and everything we do is going to be for you know, best for the organization, where it's short term or long term. I think it's important you do have a short term vision, and you know that's kind of where coaches are naturally.

It's it's week to week and you know how to coach one. A head coach tell me one time, he's like, you know, every week is like the draft for the coaching staff. You know, it's it's that important. You know the amount of work you got to put into it. And then you know, again with Dave's we're constantly talking big sure is as well, and you know what do these moves look like two to three years down the

line or you know whatever it may be. So yeah, again, you just if you have the best interest to the franchise in mind, and it's a it's a you know, conscious effort to do the right thing and you've done your research. You know, I have no problem pulling the trigger on you know whatever, moving a player you're training for a player. Again, we're just always gonna do its

best for the organization. The draft was an exciting time in New York because both you and the Jets had two top ten picks and it's like, here's this rebirth of both these franchises with fresh blood in both buildings. Cavon Thibodeaux the fifth overall pick. There was so much talk about this guy, does he love football, what's his priorities? And then the Giants get on the clock and it's like fifth overall. You've heard his name rumor to the Jets,

you've heard his name, not much to the Giants. Then boom, Cavon Thibodeau is the pick and he has been outstanding the last few weeks. Could take us into that draft process and what you guys liked in Katie and kind of how you blocked out all the noise and you got to know the player himself. Yeah, there was a lot of noise, and you know, again, just the more more time we spent with him, he was just He's a big personality. He's a great kid. He's um, he's smart,

he's a hard worker, he plays his butt off. He's done everything we've asked him to do. And you know, as we went through the process, I love being around him. We had a couple of dinners with him, spent time with the combine Dave's and I FaceTime name you know, right before the draft, you know, he answered the phone and you know we just kind of you know, hey, what's going on. Just small talk, just you know, very casual conversation outside of the formal interviews and the x's

and those and and all that stuff. And you know, I took a real liking to him, and at the end of the day, you know, there was just I didn't have any concerns with with the kid. And again, I know some people worry about you know, the nils and you know, people having a you know, some of these kids have a staff now and they're making you know, a couple of million dollars a year as college kids.

I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't needed a staff too if I was twenty one or twenty two and a lot of companies were coming at me and needed my time and offering me money. So you know, it's just an generation of kids and a new time for us that's a little bit unchartered waters And you know, the more you went through it with Cavan, he was actually really smart in the way he set up some of his nil stuff to avoid any type of distraction. So I like the kid. He's a culture fit for us.

He's doing a great job, and you know he's gonna be one of those foundational pieces that we continue to build this thing. Yeah, it's your first draft and you've been you know, in scouting since two thousand and one. You get this opportunity to draft and out of the gates. I know two of them are injured, but like Evan

Neil was playing well, Daniel Bellinger was playing well. You look at that rookie class and for the Giants fans listening, like, just give us a little ninety seconds or an elevator speech on what you like from this crew and why you'll always be close to them as your first draft class. Yeah, I like the class a lot. And right now, you know, I have my our and let us department do a you know, kind of a rookie playtime report each week.

I've been doing it for years and right now we're fourth in the league and rookie playtime so we're having success. We're six and two and the rookies are contributing and getting valuable experience. And again, there's not a lot of rookies that are come in that are you know, instant coffee and they have to go through their ups and downs. And you know, Evan Neil, I think, you know, take

out the Dallas game. It was Monday night. Um, all eyes were on you and they have a really good defensive line and you know, otherwise, I think he's played really well. He's our type of guy, smart, tough and dependable. Cavan's in the same boat again. He was hurt, you know, coming off the knee, and as he's continued to get healthy. You know, you've seen you know, the flashes, not just versued the run, but the past you know, still the play where he ran down you know ETN and the

Jacksonville game, you know, Wan Dell the same thing. Yeah, it's amazing because Evan had an MCL, Cavon had an MCL. One Dell had an MCLs. Like I got three guys with ACL, so they have been banked up, but one Dell had an MCL as well. And you know, now that he's come back, he's going to be a big part of our offense moving forward. Uh, clear defined plan for him, you know, with Daves and his offensive system in Kafka. Josh A Zudu started and played one hundred

percent of snaps for US against Seattle. He's a young guard that we really like, you know, bright future for him. Cordell Flott, you know, started and played some games. You again, he's got a calf right now, he's gonna be back. But yeah, Bellinger and Belton fourth round picks that have both contributed, both have bright future star startup potential, and both of those guys, and then, um, you know the fifth round guys, Michael McFadden he played twenty seven snaps

on defense the other day for us. He's playing well and doing special teams. And then you know, we got the back three guys that all tour acls, Davidson, mckeithan and Beavers who were having all having good camps and we were relying on them. So you know, on the eleven guys, I'm really excited. You know, they're the right type of guys. They're good foundational pieces that you know will be contributors, you know, for years to come. Yeah,

one last question about the current roster. Obviously, I've got to ask a Daniel Jones question. What have you seen from him so far? And already you know in this market, it's what's the long term extension. I'm not going to press you on that, but um, you gotta at least be pleasantly surprised or not. Maybe you saw this like this kid as tough as nails and he's playing really well. Yeah, no, he Daniel's tough, he's competitive, another guy who does everything

he can and to maximize his ability. He's in here early. Again, it's our it's our off day, the players are off. I saw him in there at seven thirty this morning at breakfast. So he's a gym rat. He's always around. He's gonna do whatever he can, like I said, to maximize his ability. So he's played well. You know, I know the big story out there is the fourth quarter comebacks. I mean, that's that's legit. You know. One of the drives I think about was when we were in London

against Green Bay. We had a fifteen play drive for a touchdown. Sa Quan got hurt on the first play, so you know, say Quan's out for the other you know, he went seventh freight on the drive and that the incompletion was a was a throwaway. So he's taking care of the football. We're not turning it over. And you know, again we've had you know, now we've got a couple injuries on the offensive line. We've had some injuries a receiver. Unfortunately, it's a little bit of a revolving door with with

who he's throwing too. And that's just kind of where we are based on, you know, the salary cap and where we were in the off season. But um, you'll never hear the guy complained, and you know he's playing well for us. I love it. Um, all right, So you're the general manager of the New York Football Giants. Dude, let's go back to the kid from Indiana who played it to Paul and played quarterback and wide receiver. And in two thousand and one you get an internship in

the ticketing department with the Carolina Panthers. Take us through what the next step is and how you find yourself even in position to enter the scouting world. Yeah, it's it's interesting. So it was. It was actually January two thousand, so it was my junior year of college. And you know, Carolina played a game against Green Bay or maybe it's New Orleans, but they had to beat beat New Orleans by X amount of points and Green Bay had to you know, it's one of those deals to get in

the playoffs, and they didn't do it. So my first day on the job, the season's over. I'm in the ticket office at the time, there was four or five people in the ticket office, so it wasn't a big staff and I was during like winter break. So yeah, yeah. At De Paul University have a great program. It's called winter Term. So your freshman year you have to stay on campus, which is great. You take one class, it's all freshman on campus. It's a blast sophomore, junior, senior year, internship,

travel abroad, whatever it may be. I would recommend anybody that's doing it to do an internship because if you want to be an accountant and you go work for ers and young for that month and you're like this sucks. At least you know your account more year versus before you get your degree, right, That's kind of the purpose of it. So anyways, my junior year, my mom had a business in NASCAR. She was living in North Carolina. Knew the neighbor of the neighbor to the ticketing manager.

So yeah, it's a three week internship. Phil Yazzi was his name, come on in and then it happened to be this season was over again, so I'm taking inventory as suites and taking phone calls and everything. We got to know the people there and when it was over They're like, hey, if you want to work training camp, I'm gonna get you in contact with the assistant full operations. Guy's name is Brandon Bean. I'm like all right, So I stayed in contact with Brandy. He's like, yeah, come

on down for training camp. You can work. And so on July eleventh of two thousand, my twenty first birthday, was my first day, you know, went to Charlotte. My mom dropped me off like I was going to camp or you know, backed lunch exactly exactly, and uh, you know, we got in the buses and we went down to set up training camp in Spartanburg. So Brandon I became fast friends. Uh, you know, working for him. You know,

we played basketball training camp. Him and I are both uber competitive, so uh, we were on the same team to start off training camp a few times, and you know, we became fast friends. And that training camp was you know, setting up beds, TVs in the rooms, uh, stocking the coaches with gator raids while they're at practice, you know, whatever it may be. And then um, you know, fast forward to the next you know, February. In between then it was my senior year. I had a couple of

job offers. Um, you know, the story goes. You know, Striker offered me a job. It was my first interview I'd ever. I'd never been on an interview before. Striker a medical device cochetical device company. I had buddies I played with that we're working there and loving it and you know, it's good money, and I couldn't make up my mind. And literally the Friday I'm going to meet Brandon in Indianapolis at the Combine because when I went to school to Paul's only forty five in from Indianapolis.

I had to tell Monday to ax that contract back. They called me on Friday before I left to meet Brandon and they pulled the offer. They're like, if you haven't made up your mind yet, then this isn't for you. And it's a good company. I under I understand where they're coming from. So went at dinner with Brandon that night. He said, we'll find something for you. Let me, you know, give me some time. And then you know, luckily they had a guy retire and a scouting department and they

had a scouting assistant job open up. So um, Brandon called, you know I when and I interviewed for here's the other funny part about that. So I interviewed for the job, and you know the old adage, I just want to get my foot in the door. Yeah, I can't, you know, that's what you say. Well, it's this old school guy from Pittsburgh, Jack Bouschowski. I love the death. Can you cuss on it? I don't know if guy cuss on

your body. So I'm like, you know, this senior in college, I just want to get my foot into the door. He's like, I don't want somebody wants to get their foot in the door. I want someone wants to scout. And I'm like, let's go. I'm not getting this job. So uh So, anyways, I go through the interview process, I get back to school and I know this because you know, the guy who was replacing as a scouting

assistant is is a very good friend of mine. And they offered the job to a kid from Slippery Rock because he was from Pittsburgh and Slippery Rocks in Pennsylvania kind of the Pittsburgh ties. They he calls him like a seven thirty in the morning, and the kid answers the phone like, oh, you know, like he's sleeping hung over sleeping. So he hangs up the phone. He calls my buddy, He's like, hey, give me that Joe Shane Kid's number, calls me and offers me the job because

that guy sounded like he was incredible. Yeah, that guy right now is the general manager of X team. No, no, he's I don't know who he is or what, but anyway, so I know it's kind of a long story, but yeah, the two thousand kidding it's great. Yeah, and it also tells a lesson because I mean, we watch, we watch all this stuff and then you get these fantasy football experts. Ever, because I could be a GM, I could be a gym.

You started because you put yourself out there and you wanted it, and you turned down a job for less money. And then Brandon for those listening, no, obviously is now executive of the Years with the Buffalo Bills. But I remember, I remember Brandon when he was in the public relations department. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he he started kind of the same path and worked over to the football side. And again his was just getting your foot in the door and then you know,

working your tail off, and that's what you know. One of the stories I tell with Brandon too. Is about two weeks in a camp, I called my mom. I'm like, yeah, this sucks, Brandon, this Brandon bean guys got me. You got him five to thirty every morning making the you know coffee for the coaches. And um, what happened was I did it for the first two mornings. We had

a special teams coach. It always wanted his coffee at five thirty had to be you know, made and ready, and so I did it for the first two days and the third day the guy didn't wake up and do it, so it missed it. So Brandon gets his butt chewed out because that coffee's not ready. Then you get it, Joe, I can count on you the first two days to do it. So unfortunately, for now on every morning and training camp, you have to get up at five thirty, walk over to the coach's office and

make coffee. So, you know, my mom said, well, sometimes you know, you get punished for being good at your job, and you know you're dependable, so you know that's a task you're gonna have to do, and you know she was right on and again that earned Brandon's trust, which then you know down the road, you know he trusted to give my name to somebody to eventually hire me as a as a staff member. So so yeah, it

was cool. Yeah, it's it's funny how it worked out when you really look back at it, you know, it's an interesting story. But yeah, then two thousand and one, I was a scouting assistant for a year, you know, making highlight tapes, you know, picking people up to the airport, just helping out a practice, doing anything I could do to you know, to show out was worthy of. No job was too big for me, and then they could depend on me to do the job and do it right. Yeah,

and Carolina had some really good years. And then something you know that's a skip forward ten years or so, but something that really plays in this New York market is that, you know, you have a connection to Bill Parcels. Could you take us through that connection and how you and the two and I got to know each other. Yeah. So when I was an area scout with the Carolina Panthers, I was living they moved me to uh. I actually lived in Frisco, Texas where the Cowboys facility is now,

is way before any of that stuff was there. But you know, we'd fly in for meetings three or four times year, draft meetings and stuff. Well, we had Dan Henning was our offensive coordinator, like best friends with coach Parcels. Well. Dan never bought a condo or a house or anything in Charlotte, so he lived in the residence in where

we stayed at scouts. It was right next he lived in a hotel Inteme, so you know, anytime we'd go there, you know, he was happy as I'll get out because now it's got seven or eight guys to hang out with. And he was a great storyteller and a ton of football knowledge. So I love Dan Hending. He was He was awesome, great mentor for me. And you know Bill

was one of his best friends. So when Bill went to Miami in two thousand and eight, Dan was hired as the offensive coordinator and brought my name up to Jeff Ireland. I knew Jeff, but you know, we weren't you know, I wouldn't say we were like friends or I don't even know if I had a cell number at the time, but we knew each other just from

passing in the scouting circle. Went down and interviewed as a national scout, covering the entire country instead of just doing an area and was able to get the job. Then and then yeah, first I remember my first draft meeting being around coach Parcels and you're just, uh, you know, you're gonna give your opinion and there's coach Parcels who's

won super Bowls. You know it when his eyes are like validating because I because I've worked with Sean Payton on Fox and the amount of Parcels stories he tells and just everything is a busting chops. But was he like encouraging or was he you don't know anything? Yeah, he was unbelievable. He was unbelievable. I actually asked me to have more of a voice in the meeting. He's like, Joe, you've seen the entire country, Like, speak up more. And you know, I was like feeling out the room. It

was a staff that had been together. You know. I was trying to feel my way through the dynamics. But

he was a great coach. He would not just obviously football and everything else, but he he would always say, you know why we would do this, or you know why we're making this roster decision, or why are you guys thinking this way in a meeting when you know why take a projection in the first round when you got this guy who's had production of a position it's a known commodity or you know this is what you know.

He just had so much knowledge, he say, you know what Tom Landry used to tell me, Like, oh my god, so Tom Landry told build parselves and about to tell me. You know, I got a ton of notes from my from my time with him, and he's just a great sounding board to this day. You know when I was going through the process talking to him, and um, just a wealth of knowledge and a great human being. And

you know he truly cares about you. And you know you talk all the players and coaches and other gms that have worked for him that still stay in contact with him and use him as a valuable resource. Did you get together with him in Saratogodoll? Did you try to make the journey now that you're with the Giants? I need to, I need to. I know Chris Merra goes up there quite a bad He's got some horses up there, and Dan Henning spends a lot of time up there, So I'd like to get up there. We

try to get him to come through in August. It just h you know, the timing didn't work out, but yeah, I would love for him to get around or or get up there at some point. Yeah, you know, I find all of your stories, General Manager is so interesting because take these circuitous routes to where you are. Give me this this answer the player that you scouted that you take the most pride in in that I banged the table for this guy, or I saw him in a in a random game that no one else was

talking about. And then this guy got to the NFL and didn't have to have an all World's career, but like made a name from them, and I was that first set of eyes, or I was that voice in the war room on any of your stops, whether it being Carolina or Buffalo or Miami. Who was that guy that you take a lot of pride in and you hear that name and like something clicks and you're like, you know what that was, my dude? Oh man, that's

always hard to do. One of the things I'm most proud of is probably that first draft class in Buffalo. I know that's you're looking for one in particular, but no, no, it's okay. It's hard when you're going through a draft and I just went through it again. When when when you don't have continuity and you don't know everybody, so you kind of you have a smaller circle and who you can trust. But I mean that first draft class

and Brandon Brandon was very good. He's like, hey, when we drafted Cam Newton, we were so focused on the quarterback. The rest of the draft was not so great. So we have to make sure if we're looking for a quarterback that we still got everything else. You know, eyes dotted tea's cross. And when you look at that class, Josh Allen, Tremaine, Edmonds, Harrison Phillips just got paid by Minnesota, Karen Johnson got paid by Buffalo. Uh srand Neil just

got paid by Buffalo. Wyatt Teller's a two time All Pro. They got paid by Cleveland. I wish we wouldn't have trade anybody. Ray Ray mcclouds still in the league. Still in the league. Again, I tell you, I do that rookie playtime report, like that class is number one right now in Rookie playtime. You know, to this day you look three, four or five years down the road. So um, I know that's not one player, but I'm proud of that. You have pride in it. That was Brandon. I you know,

our first year together. You know a stat we had. People don't realize this or I don't know if they do or not, but they fired the entire pro scouting staff and every single person and didn't do it until July. So you guys got their win, Like we got there July. They did it right after the draft. So they did it right after the draft, and I'm like, you know, it's a team that hadn't been in the playoffs in

seventeen years. It's like, Brandon, how are we going to get people to you know, and people aren't letting good scouts go and so we got We got very lucky with this. I mean, look at this our original staff. I mean, Marvin Allen's now assistant GYM with Miami, he was there. Brian Gaye on to become the GM of the Texans um you know, we just had. I mean, we had a uh Lake Dawson. You know, it's been

a VP before, like Malik Boy, Terrence Gray. Like, we were able to put together a really really good staff with experience in youth and you know that made those meetings. You know, again, it goes back to the scouting staff, the guys with the boots on the ground and all these schools. Um it was very important. That was a daunting task to you know, to hire an entire scouting staff in the month of May pro and college. When you saw Josh Allen tape, what do you think, Oh, man,

I'll never forget one of the scouts. Still reminds me all the day. Like his game against Nebraska. He threw four interceptions and I gave him a plus. You know, that was a good game. That was a good game. But yeah, the thing with Josh is like, if you like the player, he's even a better person. Like you can't like, I love the human being, like the way what he's about. He's wired right, he's like the players great,

but the person's even better. And we fell in love with the us And you know when we were doing our certain research back and you know, the spring in twenty eighteen draft has shaken out. In that first draft, the first time Brandon's in the big seat, first time here in your chair, and we see Baker go, and we see Darnold go, and then of course, you know, say Quan and quittin Nelson, you guys, you get aggressive

and you go and get a quarterback. Do you remember the conversations going into it, like if this guy slips, Like what was the talk when you were like, let's go make that move. Yeah, well we knew early on and if so, we had we were twenty one and twenty two when the season ended. We ended up making the playoffs that year. We had Kansas City's pick two and we used a Corty Glenn. We traded to Cincinnati, so we stopped like twenty one to twelve, and that got us in range. But again we were trying to

move up. You know, we couldn't move to one. Dorsey wouldn't trade one, Dave Gettlman wouldn't trade two. Three was the Jets. They weren't going to trade with us, and they made a move early on with the Colts. We were actually literally working out Josh. I'm snapping the ball to Josh at Wyoming and I get this update on my Apple Watch and it said the Jets traded with the Colts, and I'm just like at number three, am like,

you know, we couldn't have everything. Yeah, I didn't met with the guys yet, so you know, we were in a position to move up because we had to make sure that there's somebody that we were gonna actually like, you know, we saw the film, but you know that's a position. You gotta get to know the kids too. So anyways, we had something in place with Denver, but their guy was there, which ended up being Chum. You know,

Cleveland ended up staying at four and taking awards. So you know, when Jason Light got on the phone, you know, we had some talks back and forth and it you know, we're haggling, Um hung up and then they called back. Brandon got on the phone with Jason, and that was the first time somebody was willing to do business with us, um where we could take the you know, take the quarterback that we wanted. So it was cool. We took him at seven. Kind of everybody was relieved, you know,

we're happy. And then you know, Tremaine was still up there and we said, let's let's go get Tremaine. And uh, it's funny. We ended up you know, being able to get Tremaine with a you know third round pick that we used. You know, we traded Tyrode to Cleveland for the first pick of the round. That allowed us to go up and get Tremaine, so we had some You're getting draft capital and draft picks give you currency on draft data to move around and make some of those moves.

If you don't have the currency, it's it's it's tough to move around. But yeah, that was an exhilarating evening to say the least. And it's a good bridge to my next thing, because you know we're here recording this week nine. Ryan Poles, first year general manager of Chicago trades a franchise, you know, Star and Raccon Smith, but he gets a second and a fifth and now they've

got draft picks. And as a general manager, I always say, like I talk to you guys, it's you don't have to get them all right, but the more bats you have at the plate, the better. And I think you know, with what the Giants have coming up, like you guys are pretty stocked and ready for the next few drafts, you have to like what you have moving forward as far as the young players on relatively inexpensive contracts, and then how good you guys are at analyzing college talent

and being able to identify those next next great pros. Yeah, we have nine picks going in next year. You know, financially we'll be in a better shape. And then you know the good thing, you know what the roster is. There's some players that were here before I got here that are are good young talent, you know, Andrew Thomas, Dexter, Lawrence Xavier McKinney, Julian Love, Say, Quan Daniel you know,

they're the Daniel Jones. There's there's pieces in place, um that we're here previously that you know, hey, if they continue to you know, perform at their their level, you know, they're you know, you take care of your own and then you add a couple of draft classes, you know, some supplement someone free agency and um, you know again and start building it the right way, bringing in our type of guys. So yeah, I mean I'm excited about

the future. Um, you know, we had a plan in place, we've been able to execute it this far, and um, you know, I think we'll be in you know, getting financially, we're gonna be much better shape this offseason and give some flexibility and free agency and then having nine picks you know, gives you you know options there to continue to add young foundational pieces. Um on top of the draft class that we have this year. So yeah, I'm excited how things are going at six and two right

now at the bye week. You know, coaching staff's done amazing job. Personnel pro in college, they've done a really good job. So I'm excited where we sit. I grew up in Freehill, New Jersey, which is in Central Jersey, about forty minutes from MetLife. Giants Country all the way. I live in Brooklyn, New York, and right now it's

Giants Country all the way. I just work on a television show and people just want to talk Giants with me everywhere I walk the last few months, what has been your best or funniest interaction with a Giants fan, whether it be at Dunkin Donuts or whether it be at the DMV, whoever. It's like, these are characters and I know you've encountered them in your everyday life. Yeah, probably at Lows this spring. My wife was still in Buffalo and she came over. It might have been right

after the draft. And again I've just been bunkered in. I was at a temporary living. I'm going back and forth from temporary living to the office, and that's I really didn't get out much. So We're at Lows and you know, we're looking for some stuff, and oh my gosh, dang, this guy's like following me around like every aisle, Like I look and this guy's kind of standing there staring

at me. I'm like, what the world's going on? Not even again, I haven't been out, so I'm not like somebody wreck cognizes me or I'm just not used to it. So finally he kind of comes up to me, and I'm getting kind of creep down. He's like, are you Joe Shane, general manager the Giants. I'm like, yeah, So it was just a can I get a picture with you? And it was at Lows and again it was it was in the spring, and I just it's it's hard to I mean, you go from assistant jam or you

know whatever, just nobody knows who. Yeah, the New York Posts one day, see yourself on the back page of the paper. Yeah, I haven't got rid of I haven't got used to that yet, or even pregame just walking out to the game or somebody's yelling her name or something like. I just it still catches me off guard. But yeah, I just the time of Lows with my wife. I'm you know, the guy asked for a picture of

me or something. It was just kind of like, all right, I don't mind doing it, but it was just, you know, getting used to that. It's like they're they're passionate. Like the crowd has been unbelievable. I don't know if you're here for that Monday night game or not, but um, the Ravens game Chicago, Like the atmosphere has been unbelievable at the stadium, it's been awesome. One of the coolest videos or one of the coolest stories. I think the article is done, and I hate that I don't have

the writer. Maybe it was Ryan Dunlevy In the post. It was about uh, your pops's reaction when he heard the news and all that could cook tell the story of who your father is and where he found out the news and what he's all about. Yeah, so my dad still lives in El card Indiana, where where I grew up, and uh, he's worked for the same company Roadway for like, you know, he's thirty nine years he's number one on the seniority pool and uh he's about

to retire. I think in February. He says he's one of those guysho complains about his job, but I think he actually loves going every day. So yeah, I got the call and I walked up to my my offer. Well, first I had to we're getting ready practice against Kansas City, so I was trying not to be a distraction. Some people saw I had a call from East East Rutherford, so I knew something was up. I gave him the thumbs up and I got out of there. I just didn't want to be a distraction with going to Kansas

City in the playoffs. So you know, I went outside and I called him, and yeah he was. He was super proud, you know, got teary eyed, and uh, it was really cool experience because you know, again, you know, he worked hard. He taught me work ethic. You know, every a lot of the you know DNA and who I am today is is because of him and his work ethic, and um, what he instilled in me at a young age. So really cool experience. He's excited, he's

super proud. Uh. You know, he's got like a couple of different places of breakfast spots and and uh you know, dinner places where he goes and eats on a weekly basis. And now they've got giants stuff up there? Is that right? What's the town called. It's El Card Indiana's and it's giants Country. Now yeah, yeah, it's giants Country. It's known as the RV Capital World. So all the RVs you see on the on the road with a lot of

them are made of No Card. It's about I'm about ten miles east of Notre Dame, so you know the South Bend, so very cool. Um, do we give our secret breakfast spot? Do we give him a shout out? Yeah, give him a shout out. Maybe we get a free uh fream? All right, Combine, let's go back to February. Joe, it just gotten the job, Brandon Bean. Uh. Brandon and

I have a long tradition of getting at breakfast. Back when Brandon was in Carolina, we'd go to this place called pata Chew at the Combine and it was like top secret, no one else would go. Brandon I would get some cinnamon toast and some delicious eggs. So Joe joined us. But I gotta say, it's not such a secret anymore. It felt like this was like a sort of like spring break in the NFL. I didn't like the fact that our precious patache in Indiana is now

the spot in the combine? Yeah, you're talking twenty five thirty minute. Wait now, it's it's unfortunate. Now, maybe it's this little shout out here will get us to the front of the line next year. Yeah. And I asked Joe, I said, all right, fifth overall, pick you tell me who are we taking? And he did not say the word Cavon Tao. So I just I know who to

trust when it comes to my mock drafts. Moving forward, lastly before we go, Dude, if there's a young man or woman right now in their twenties in college, just out of college, and they play fantasy football, they love the NFL and they're like, they meet you in an elevator, I want to be an NFL general manager. How do I get there? What are your values, what are your tenants? And what is that message to that young man or woman? Yeah? I think again. What I tell a lot of people

is go work with the colleges. Now you got these NILD it's basically like free agency. Not to mention they still got a recruit, so you can get valuable experience

evaluating high school players for these colleges. If you want to come in and do the evaluation part for the NFL, but you know, work hard, be on time, be dependable, pay attention to detail, and to me, the best type of employees are when you can give them something and you know it's going to get done the way you expect it to get done and you don't have to double check it or find airs or anything like that.

So the ability for somebody to depend on you is the most important because again my leadership style, I'm not a micro manager. I'm gonna let you do your job as long as I know it's getting done the way it's supposed to be done in the expectations of being met. Because if I have to micromanage, I'm going to find somebody else to do it. So I don't have to micromanage.

So yeah, I just work hard. Again, I tell people around here, like if it's business side or whatever, I may not know what you do on a daily basis, but I know every day at seven am, I see you, or you're the first one in, or you're here laid or you know, whatever may be in. So when my scouts are going to schools, like you know, you never know what day. Another general manager is going to be there and they don't know who you are. But you

came prepared. You were the first one there, and you asked really good questions when you were in with pe liaisons or whatever. It may be. So um for people that want to be a GM again, I think going to college route first is the best way. The way it's structured now. I mean they have gms of colleges now, and then there's there's several gms that There's one at Alburn, there's one in North Carolina, there was one at Georgia Tech.

So um. You know that route's a good, you know, foundational piece in terms of getting some evaluation experience, and then once you get your foot in the door, take advantage of it. It's up to you once you get that opportunity. Hey, I'm ready to run through a law for you. It wasn't a pet dog. Hey. Look I'm at I'm at Good Morning Football every morning at five am. And I'm here and I'm like looking through like depth charts, so I could talk about Cincinnati's you know, new corners

are gonna because Adobe A Woozier's hurt. I want to be at GM. I want to work for you, Joe, This is it, M dude. I appreciate you so much. I understand you're a busy guy, and it's not often that, you know, during the bye week someone would hop on and do an interview. But you're such a great dude, and and you're truly a visionary in this field, and we really appreciate you coming on the podcast. You do a great job. Man. Thanks for having me anytime. Peter

all right. Joe Shane, general manager of the New York Giants. He's got New York in a frenzy right now, feeling good about their team, a team they could be proud of. More to come here on this season. Thanks again to Joe Shane. Joe Shane, awesome guest. Awesome guy. I hope the purpose of this podcast is that you get to know these decision makers and some of the guys behind some of the big decisions in the NFL a little bit better. And Joe really is one of the true

great dudes of the NFL. And one of the true great dudes of the NFL network is my friend Tony Holzman Escarano. Tony, what's up, a good man? Hey, how are you doing? Sharks? Glad to be back here again.

No doubt. Tony is with the NFL network's research department and often is the one kind of loaded me up with good nuggets, good info, good stats, good research, the combine and the draft coverage, for sure, but also I use this stuff during Good Morning Football all the time, and Tony, we're doing the highlights from the Niners Rams game and I throw a comment out there on the broadcast and I'm like, Christian McCaffrey has a rushing touchdown,

a passing touchdown, and a receiving touchdown in the same game, and I go, I can't imagine there's a lot of running backs who have done that. And you hit me up, and I wanted to bring you on to make us smarter because you always do Historically, how rare is it for a running back to do the triple crown receiving, rushing, passing touchdown and then take us through what you think

McCaffrey brings to the table here in San Francisco. Well, since the nineteen seventy NFL merger, there's only been three running backs, including McCaffrey, to do that. One is Walter Payton and the other is the Danny and Tomlinson. So a lot of great company McCaffrey's in right now, multiple gold jackets, the thing that players are all shooting for sure. The wildest thing with this is that he's the first player with thirty yards and a touchdown passing, rushing and

receiving in the same game. So he actually he also added the yard. I like that, So it wasn't just like a one yard pass, it was the thirty yard. The pass was actually the third longest by a forty nine Ers player over the last three seasons five yards the like touchdown, third longest pass touchdown by air yards. Another thing that's crazy about what McCaffrey did is he also did this in college, also against an LA based team, against USC in the twenty fifteen Pack twelve champions Nice.

So it's not new for McCaffrey to do the one one in one the triple single, I guess we can call it single. I like that. That's good. But as far as CMC in Shanahan's offense, we all know Shanahan loves to get the ball to his guys in space and let him meat. And he literally added the ultimate Swiss army knife into his toolbox McCaffrey's over the last

five seasons. McCaffrey's second in yards after catch by running backs over that same time span, George Kittle's first among tight ends, nice and Deebo Samuel is first among all

players in yards after catch pert positionless players. He has a bunch of chess pieces he can move around and do whatever he wants to with, and over the last two games that he's played with the let's call it one and a half yea, yeah, he's played in the slaughter out wide on twenty percent of his snaps and been used in motion or shift on a quarter of his snaps. So Shanahan's moving him around making sure he gets the most out of McCaffrey. I don't know who

let Kyle Shanahan get Christian McCaffrey. Like there should have been like at one coming together and being like, no, don't let this happen. You know how fantasy footballers that do not drop list should be a do not let Kyle Shanahan have this player list that McCaffrey would be

right on the top of it. You know it's so true because, like I reported it, the next day, McVeagh and the Rams were in on this and they didn't have all the draft picks that the Niners did, and at the end of the day, it was like the highest bidder type deal. But for those at Alma don't know, like Kyle Shanahan baby sat Christian McCaffrey baby sat him.

The story goes that, like, you know, Mike Shanahan was the head coach in Denver, Ed McCaffrey's the star wide receiver, Kyle Shanahan was a little toddler and like Edward babysit. Then you go, you know, before that, even Ed McCaffrey was on the ninety four nine Ers team that Mike Shanahan was a coach on and Kyle was obviously okay. And then Kyle Shanahan goes to Texas before he transfers to Duke and at Tech or maybe the other way around. Maybe he was at Duke and Chres techas I forget

my chronological orders all screwed up. That's why they got a research department. But he wore eighty seven at Texas and that was because Kyle Shanahan worshiped ed McCaffrey so much that he wore eighty seven. Like that's crazy. And now they're together, and it's like, all right, of course they're together. A lot of family ties going on there, for sure. A Shahan got the only player in NFL history to average fifty yards rushing and receiving in their career,

so he's one of one. He got one one player in that deal, and he has through twenty twenty five. So let's go. You're one of one, bro. Thank you for making us smarter. Christian McCaffrey and Tony Holtzman Escaranna, we'll get you next week. Appreciate you, Shreks. Thank you so much for having me. And now it's becoming maybe my favorite part of the podcasts, and this is the

fourth time we're doing. At the end of every podcast, I bring on one of my friends, whether it be a childhood friend, a college friend, someone I've worked with in the past, who has a take. The take could be anything. Last week, my buddy Noah tour apart Paul Rudd's take that the guy who caught the Aaron judge sixty first ball did the right thing by giving it back to Aaron Judge. Noah said, that's ridiculous. The right thing is to take a million dollars and feature family.

The first week of the podcast, we had my buddy Aaron on my college roommate, and Aaron came on and made the claim that the House of Dragons is better than the original Game of Thrones. It got a lot of pushback from fans of both shows. From fans of Game of Thrones, I wouldn't be lying if I had some people who work at the actual home box office chime in with thoughts after that take, and they were pro that take. They'd liked those ratings. They thought that

was a good promotion for the show. I'm bringing Aaron on again because we're recording this the day after Halloween, and I just hear Ausen and his voice and over his text, I could say that he has a take on the Halloween holiday. Aaron. Welcome back to the season with Peter Schreger. Thank you, Peter. It is great to be back and I'm loving the podcast, loving the podcast. Rud was great, Noah, great take. He did a great job.

Good job, Noah, great take. What's your take for week A, number nine of the NFL season where you at, dude, Well, you know it's October, at the end of October, and I got to tell you mentioned exhaustion. What happened to Halloween? What happened to the day. I want to stress the day of Halloween because the day of Halloween and my book has now turned into the month of Halloween. It feels to me that we are just going on an endless spree of Halloween celebration. I mean it literally is

turned into Super Bowl weekend for children. And you and I've been to many a Super Bowl, so we know what it's like to jam in as much as we can do. I'm thoroughly exhausted, Peter. When I was a kid, we just slapped together our own costumes. Uh you know. I remember my my I was a Ghostbuster and my mom drew on a T shirt, handing me a paper roll towel with tinfoil and said, here you go, here's

your Ghostbuster blaster. Go egon. I'm telling you, Peter, the amount of money that I just spent on Halloween, hundreds of dollars went into I'm this is not a joke. Eight costumes, eight different I have three children, Peter. You know this, three children, eight costumes between three children. One of those kids is one years old. We put him in three different costumes. What is going on, Peter. I mean, it's just an endless amount of Halloween. And I'll tell

you what it's going what's going on. It's all for the social, It's all for Instagram. You know, you might as well call my wife, Patrick Mahomes, she's she's she's putting so much on social. Or that that guy from Seattle that you know is now playing in Denver, Russell Wilson.

You know, you might as well. She's all for the social just pictures goal or it's you know, you know, Peter, when we used to be doing the wedding season, right, we used to spend all this money and show ourselves on this Instagram showing us partying and all this stuff. I feel like ten years later now this is what

we're doing. Went from weddings to celebrating Halloween. That's all we're doing is showing off on Instagram about how much Halloween partying we're doing with the children and the parties and the costumes and everything. I'm why multiple costumes? Why not just the same costume? Like, who would someone judge if you wore the same if you were a Stranger

Things character? Twice of course, Peter, because the social is all about the views and the clicks, and you know, the more times that you can come oh wow, now now he's a Stranger Things. Oh now he's Star Wars. Oh look at this. Now there. You know, it just goes on and on, and it's all for the social media. Now, you're not a grinch, but I will say this, Um, there was a feeling of frustration when we were on the text chain with all our college guys over the

adult Halloween responsibilities. Now, I'm not a suburban dad, so I live a different life. I'm gone over the weekends. I think this is very specific to the suburban adults now because I see it all over the social media. Husband and wife dressed together, something catchy, and then it's Friday night, then it's Saturday night, then it's Sunday night, then it's Monday night. What's happened? Well, I mean, Peter, you know, I kind of just went on a riff about the children, but I had to tell you it's

the same thing for the parents. My wife and I we had four different costumes. Uh you know, we had the we had we had the peanut, butter and jelly. You had the cult leader and and and the follower. You had one that was a fun one. Um, you know you got to go on and on and and we have different parties. But now I'm hearing about all these like you know, hosting people at your house to do clue like you know, Hollywood mystery, Halloween mystery things. I mean, people are going all out, taking it to

all different types of crazy measures. I mean it is thoroughly exhausting. We've turned Halloween into what was one single day when when you were you and I were kids, into this month long extravaganza that doesn't stop until thank god, yesterday, it's over. We're done. You know what, when I was a kid, you'd go trick or treating for the night and if it rained, sorry, if it was cold, sorry,

Like you don't get it, do over, you don't get it. Also, maybe there was that kid in your class the night before who would take like a cartet eggs out and like egg the teacher's house and that was it. Now there's this obligation, but I will say this to have

like a silver lining to this whole thing. It is over, and now you can turn to decorating your house with Christmas attire, getting the ornaments up that it's a whole other, whole other experience here, because that's an Instagram frenzy as well. I mean, Halloween stops and here comes Holidays, and so Instagram Galora, I'll see you. I'll see you there, Peter, I'll be liking your pictures, liking you and Mel and Erica can't wait to see that. Yep, here comes, here

comes holidays. All right, So a thousand dollars in the whole eighteen costumes, lots of candy, but you know your wife probably got thirty eight likes on that photo, so it was all worth it, Pal, all worth it, you know, anything for the kids and my wife. That's it. That's it, Aaron, thank you for that ray of sunshine on this amazing, amazing morning. Brother, Always a pleasure. Great take you, Peter. That's it. That's what we bring. We bring you the

GM of the New York Giants. We bring you insight on Christian McCaffrey, and we bring you hot scolding anti Halloween takes. And that's where we're at. Guys. I'm going to Munich on Friday. I'll be recording a podcast live from Munich next week. Until then, interesting slate of games this week, like not a great one. But you know how the NFL goes, this will end up being the

best week of all. That's just what it is. For Aaron wan Kaufman, for Jason English, for the iHeart guys, for the NFL guys, for the music Maestro Jack Rudd. I'm Peter Schreger. Thank you everybody, See you next week. The Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the NFL and partnership with iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts.