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The Season with Peter Schrager: Annual Schrager/Daniel Jeremiah Mock Draft

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Peter and Daniel Jermiah do their annual joint Mock Draft. Surprises galore.

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Speaker 1

The Season with Peter Scheger is a production of the NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, Everybody, Welcome to the Season with Peter Schrager. We are now a week away from the NFL Draft. I put my first NFL draft out on Tuesday morning, got a ton of responses from the league, meaning that I tried shaking things up. I put Hendon Hooker going eleven. I had the Colts

and the Texans doing a rare intra division trade. I had all sort of the crazy stuff happening, and really my goal was to be as accurate as possible with the first mock draft, but that's impossible because the teams don't even know what they're doing it. But it was to start getting conversations going with teams. I think Seattle at five is fascinating. I think there's a very good chance that both Anthony Richardson and Jalen Carter are both can be available at five. I think they are both

very high up on the board. Fascinated to see what Seattle does at five. Stroud to Houston is a big topic right now. Is it a smoke screen that they're not interested in Stroud that I've heard that quite a bit. Or is that just them trying to take the scent off things, or is that Demiko Ryans, who is a defensive coach who comes from the forty nine ers who have not relied on a quarterback to lead them in

the last few years. It's been Jimmy Garoppolo and Brock Purdy and Trey Lance, and they've been having quite a bit of success. And it wasn't because of the quarterback position.

It's because of all the other positions of strength, and because you can draft a guy like Bosa second overall and have Deebo Samuel as a second round pick, and you go right down the line, and I wonder if the Stroud stuff is, you know what, we'll roll with Davis Mills, or we'll use a quarterback in the second round or at the twelfth pick, or maybe we trade back from twelve and get another quarterback at the end

of the first round, whatever it is. I think Houston is fascinating a ton of vitriol in my timeline and also on my text from people around the league who I trust be and like, there would be no chance in hell that Houston would ever trade the two pick to the Colts because God forbid, they pass on CJ. Stroud and he's amazing, and that happens all the time. Look like, you know how many teams passed on Mahomes and Trubisky was the Bears quarterback and you heard about that,

and oh my god. But imagine facing CJ. Stroud twice a year, knowing you passed on him, and you gave the pick to the intradivision team. So I think that's probably right. I'll adjust it as we go, but I had to shake the tree a little bit. Had to do a little bit of that to get some things

going with conversations. I had Jonathan Mingo going to the Saints late in the draft, I think twenty ninth was where they pick, and the response around the league was like, how the hell do you have Mingo going in the first round? And damn you for having Mingo going in the first round, meaning that you know a lot of teams were hoping to see if he would still be there in the second round, or maybe a team wanted to take them and trade back into the first round.

I think Jonathan Mingo, if I was over under based on the response I got, I would say under the fifty overall, and right now he's being discussed the third round pick, so fifty would mean he's at the start of the second round whatever it is, you know, fifteen picks into the second round. I think he'll go in that range based on the response I got there, Bears fans not thrilled that I had them going with Christian Gonzalez over the local product Devin Weatherspoon or over a

offensive line pick. I just feel like Christian Gonzales the top ten pick, and I feel like the Bears are going to be looking at him and they might be taking him to add him to their already young, stout defensive backfield. I love this stuff. I love all the responses. Will Levis thing is it's a mind bender for me because I've also heard if Stroud's off the board, he's the guy for Indianapolis, so that means he can go as high as fourth overall. I mean that means that

he can go fourth overall. When I say I heard it, it's not from Chris Ballard the GM. That's from someone in the agent community who's basically a third or fourth line of you know, you're doing the Kevin Bacon exercise where it's the connections to a team. It's just everyone is talking and it's you know, I got multiple phone calls yesterday and me picking up the phone and the phone call being hey, let's just talk about your mock draft, which I love, and that's from gms around the league.

So that was a ball of clay. A lot of it was being thrown a little bit at the wall, but it comes with good information and then we hope to really chisel it down as we get towards next week. Today's podcast is an annual tradition for me. It's before I even had a podcast. We did this on Zoom and we aired it on the NFL network and then for years I would come on the move the sixth podcast. It is a thing that I want to call What's

Up Doc? Can We Mock? And that's an old food That was an old Foo Schnicken song that Shaq was What's up, Doc? Can We Rock? This one is gonna be What's Up, Doc? Can We Mock? And it's with my guy, Daniel Jeremiah. I think he's the premiere draft expert in the world. It's him and Mel Kuiper and then it's everybody else. I love this guy. I think he's incredible. If you don't know Daniel, his background is a He was a scout for many years. I believe it was Baltimore, Cleveland, and then he got into to

the TV game. It started his own thing, started his own Twitter feed called at Move the Sticks, and I was turned on to him by Adam Shine, who you now see Adam Shine. Shine works for CBS and WFM, but Shine would tweet at him, and I was turned on to him by I guess like twenty twelve to thirteen. Eventually started doing stuff with the NFL network, and I'll put him up against anybody. He's a great dude. We have a great friendship. We've got to know each other

really well, our families really well. And I trust his stuff more than anyone. So what we're gonna do is this, one of us is gonna take the odd numbers, the other one's gonna take the even numbers. We're gonna rip through a mock draft and it's almost like speed chess. We're gonna have thirty seconds on the clock, maybe a little more. Maybe we can digest some of these picks. If something shocking and he comes at it with a view of the scout perspective, but also he's plugged in.

Trust me, DJ's plugged in. He might play it like I just this is just my big board. He's plugged in, and I'm coming at it as here's what I think makes sense for that team. We'll get Daniel Jeremiah on the pod in about a second. Until then, get your mock boards out, get your big boards out, put yourself on the clock. I want you to play along with us.

How would you do it if you were in these shoes, if you're listening on a treadmill, if you're listening on a commute, if you're listening before you go to bed. Hopefully you stay up for long enough for this, play along with us. Put yourselves in the shoes of these teams. And then when it's all done, Aaron, Aaron Wan Kaufman is on the mics. Aaron, we'll have a chance to digest all of it. We'll be able to go through it one through thirty one. You're keeping track, right.

Speaker 2

Oh yeah, I got it all set up for us.

Speaker 1

All right, beautiful. We might give you an opportunity. You might pick a random team in Aaron, you can draft for him and just set this thing out put handon hooker number three overall, unless just have fun, let's get it go on. Daniel Jeremiah, what's up, doc hem we mock Let's go home. As I said in the introduction, I love no draft expert more than this guy. And he's also happens to be a great friend. And this is an annual tradition. Daniel Jeremiah aka Move the Sticks.

Welcome to the season with Peter Scheger.

Speaker 2

What's going on, buddy?

Speaker 1

All is great. We were on a show called Mock Draft Live yesterday on the NFL Network and you were very civil, very kind. And then I was watching some other show that they had you on Path to the Draft and the hosts and well, Danian, Tomlinson and Matthew Judan are all tearing my my mock draft apart. But you, as a good friend, you had my back on a couple of these things. That's why I say, I appreciate you. Don't throw me right down the river, which I love.

Speaker 2

No, come on, dude, and I would if it sucked. I mean, I'm a good friend, but I'm honest, and it was to me. I always look at mock drafts like thought exercises and they're good, they're good driven pieces, and that Okay, well, you know you can say this is never going to happen, but you're assuming A B and C. So if this thing changes, your whole thing's out the window. So you gave us some new scenarios and possibilities, which I think is great.

Speaker 1

Real quick, off the top of this thing, I want to give you just two topics and then just we'll bat them around, because I feel like they're becoming more and more a conversation piece. Houston at two the latest as we record this midweek before the draft, like, what are you hearing hit Houston at two?

Speaker 2

I mean, the it went from being whispers about them not taking Stroud. You know, I think we're all on the same page that price is going to go one, and if that happens, then A long thought that Stroud would go. And then when I heard the whispers previously, I thought, I'm not buying it. They have to take a quarterback. They have to. And then now it's like not a whisper, it's deafening, and it's from everybody you talk to around the league, like nobody thinks they're going

to do it. Nobody thinks they're going to take Stroud. You list out a bunch of the reasons on your on your pod, we did on TV yesterday. But that's what I'm hearing. I mean, the only thing that I would say is I talked to one person yesterday who brought up a great point. And I do believe this that if ninety nine of the one hundred people involved in this whole process in the Houston organization say don't take Stroud, and the one of them that does is

the owner, it doesn't matter what. It doesn't matter what Nick wants to do, It doesn't matter what Demico wants to do. If the owner says, guys, we're taking a quarterback, You're taking a quarterback. Yep.

Speaker 1

The other team is the Colts. I said in the intro to this thing. The biggest response I got from the Colts was that, you know, not from the people in the building was they're taking quarterback no matter what. And if it's not Stroud, will Lewis is the name that keeps on coming up. And I don't have a team for Levis outside of the Colts, but here I am saying Levis is going to go after Hendon Hooker. In my first mock draft and he might go on the top four I've had.

Speaker 2

There's a lot of people, and not just one. There's a lot of people that believe if all three of those guys are there, when the Colts pick at four, that they'll take Levis over Stroud.

Speaker 1

Over Stroud, I was thinking over Street.

Speaker 2

Okay, I have the people that think that they have Levis is their guy and they would take him. So yeah, if that happens. If that happens, all everything's going to break loose man.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Yeah, And you mentioned the owner in Houston. I don't think any owner has more leverage over coach GM fan base right now than Jim irsay, and as much as you want to say, his daughters might be transitioning into leadership roles and you might say, okay, well, Chris Ballert, I feel like this is like, you know, the owner is gonna have a very large voice in this and if he fell in love with Levis, well then we'll leve us it is.

Speaker 2

Yeah, so we'll see. It's going to be fascinating. Buddy, what are we what are we doing here? Were rock and roll?

Speaker 1

Okay, so here's how it works. Yeah, so Aaron, you are going to do the honors. You're going to flip a coin, and because DJ is the visiting team, he's going to pick heads or tails. He will then be able to pick if he wants to be the odds the evens in this mock draft exercise, Aaron, why don't you get that coin out? DJ? Heads or tails? What do you call?

Speaker 2

Tails? Never fails? Let's come on, obvious. Give it to me, Aaron. What we got we're flipping? It's tails, DJ, it's your pick. You want to go odds or evens? I mean I'm going to go odds. I want the first pick. Man, Okay, all right, here we go.

Speaker 1

This is crazy, all right, So for the listeners, we want you guys to listen along and do this in your own head. But also the rules no traits, no no traits, So just straight up. Panthers are at number one? What are you taken, Daniel Jeremiah.

Speaker 2

I'm going to take Bryce Young first pick. I think he's the best player in the draft. I think it's also who they are going to take, so it all marries up quite easily for me there with the first pick.

Speaker 1

All right, Number two overall the Houston Texans. A bit of a shocker here, the Houston Texans are going to take time Texas Tech. This is the same like treyvon Walker over Aiden Hutchinson type of selection. They're going with the athletic freak. We had him on Good Morning Football. Not a man of many words to tell you that much, and yet he is an absolute freak show when he walks into the studio six seven sixty six to seventy two, says he can run a four four forty and uh oh, yeah,

he has an eighty six inch wingspan. And I didn't realize this DJ. You might know. His defensive cornator this past year was a defensive coordinator for Keevon Thibadeau, but also Miles Garrett von Miller, And I feel like this guy's been well coached. He's ready to go Texas Kid. He goes to the Houston text and second overall.

Speaker 2

I know, I just wonder the only thing about that, and I know there are teams that that feel this way. I like him. He's my fourth overall player. I've had him at my top ten through the whole process. But can Dimico go back? Is Nick Saban allow him to come back into the building if he doesn't.

Speaker 1

Take the right Yeah, But Dimiko is an Alabama guy, right, so.

Speaker 2

This is this is the time of here is real quick. I'll give you this one. So Chris cas Cirk wileys the best.

Speaker 1

Niners D line coach.

Speaker 2

Yep, Niners D line coach, and everybody's like, Okay, well he's gonna love Tyree Wilson. He fits what they do. Chris Caserq went to Texas Tech, so that and then Chris Caserk and Demiko ran work together. So if you take that and this, and then I'm like, yeah, Demiko went to Alabama, Like are we just gonna So it's gonna be fascinating to see what they do.

Speaker 1

That's so good Will Anderson who we might take it the next week. I didn't realize this second most sacks and tackles for a loss in Alabama history, behind only Derek Thomas. Okay, third overall. The Arizona Cardinals, new GM, new head coach, and a franchise that's going through some stuff right now, who's to pick?

Speaker 2

Well, I'm going to take Will Anderson. I'll remove the suspense there. To me, I think that we're not even established, we're not doing trades here. But of anybody that should be motivated to trade upper trade down in this draft. To me, the Cardinals trading down should be the most motivated team. I don't know where you are, pet, but to me, they're the worst roster in the NFL right now. They're not picking first, but they are the worst in terms of where they're at from a roster standpoint. There

is a lot of needs in one player. As great as Will Anderson is, as much as I love him, they need a lot more.

Speaker 1

Let me ask you, is there a player or a team that you think, let's start with player. Is there a player say that goes that way young Wilson? Is there a player that is worth trading up for that you? Like? Stroud had all this early buzz at the top of it, like, is someone going to be trading up for CJ. Stroud? Is someone going to be trading up to get Will? I don't know. That's the problem. So I think they would love to trade back, but they're not going to do it for sixty cents on a dollar.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean the thing is, I think, you know, I keep an eye on the Raiders, maybe as a wild card, but I don't know. I feel like the Raiders have a pretty they have a lot of veterans, man, they still I mean, I just have a hard time thinking they want to break one in right now. Just see what they can get out of Jimmy for the next few years and try and make a run at it.

Speaker 1

All right, So interesting, so so far we got Bryce Young, Tyree Wilson, and then Will Anderson. I don't say any mock drives doing that. And that's just one, two, three colts in the spirit of our conversation. For the sake of mixing this thing up, they will shock the world and maybe by the time it's Thursday, it's not. Will Levis quarterback Kentucky fourth overall to the Indianapolis.

Speaker 2

Cult, and I don't think it's crazy. It would not surprise me at all. You can connect the dots there with him. I know he was a manning camp guy. I know Peyton's still you know, I know Peyton still carries weight in that organization. I can I can see this happening, and that will send some shockwaves, send some shock waves out there.

Speaker 1

So now Seattle is fifth on the clock. Where now I think the draft is like it's now, it's way.

Speaker 2

Up in the air right, it's wild. And I think that Seattle it was almost like they were going out of their way. All the pictures with all the quarterbacks. It's almost it's over the top. It was almost too much. I equate it to a team who is constantly sending their parents pictures of them at a place that you think they're at. When you're like, okay, you sent me the one picture from you at the library, but like this is the fourth one. I'm beginning to think you might not be at the library.

Speaker 1

I think you said on total access like Bible study. Yeah.

Speaker 2

Yeah, it's just too much. So I actually I think they would love to have got those two defensive players that are now off the board. I think this puts them a little bit in scramble mode. And I think when they look at it and you stack up, what's there. I think at this point in time, while they weren't planning on quarterback, I don't think they were planning on Stroud being there. So I'm gonna go with c J. Stroud here with the Seahawks.

Speaker 1

They love it. CJ. Stroud goes fifth to the Seattle Seahawks, which brings up the Detroit Lions at six something to note they have character guys up and down that roster, and Chris Pielman is all about character, and Brad Holmes comes from the Rams who they do things with the character. And I'm not saying Jalen Carter has a giant red flag as a character because of the stuff that he's gone through over the last few months. But there are a questions about his makeup, about his off the field stuff,

about his history. I wonder if he's on Detroit's board. I have him going to the Lions in my mock draft. I'm going to go back to that pick. I'm going to go Jalen Carter to the Detroit Lions and just say, at the end of the day, you put him in a good environment, you put him around next to Aiden Hutchinson, and you give him Aaron Glenn and Dan Campbell, and this guy's going to flourish. Jalen Carter goes sixth to the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 2

Okay, Yeah, he's a great player, there's no question about that. And I've had a tough time paging him. There seems to be sentiment that teams I've talked to do not expect Seattle. I thought Seattle would be in play with Jalen Carter. The stuff I've got back was the Malik McDowell experience. Then Seattle could have soured them on taking a chance here. So we'll see interesting, all right. The Raiders at seven. If you look at the New England

Patriots secondary, it's kind of shocking. I don't think people realize this, but Bill Belichick has played with a lot of undersized corners recently. Look at Jack Jones, what he's done there. They have played with smaller guys that have instincts, toughness and awareness. And if you look at that guy in this draft, it's Devin Witherspoon for Illinois and the Raiders have needs. But to me, I think it's corner. I think it's between him and Gonzales. Gonzalez gives you

all the size. Weatherspoon I think is a better football player, and they need somebody that can take the ball away. I had the number here, whereas it the Raiders last year dead last the takeaways. So get somebody to take the football away.

Speaker 1

I like it. Falcons at a wow. You know, the Falcons fan base is pretty loud on Twitter. I had them going Nolan Smith in my mock draft I might give him there, but Scaransky sitting there now at a is intriguing. You know, they've got a good offensive line. They brought back to you guys with new deals. Scaransky. It's a lot of love Northwestern guy, you know what. Eighth overall, I will give them Peter Skaransky out of Northwestern.

I have not seen offensive line a lot of places to the Falcons, but I think they continue to build up on that offense, and they addressed the defense in a million ways over the offseason.

Speaker 2

Okay, so we go Peter Skarnski there. That puts me on the board here with the Bears at nine, all right, this is gonna be an interesting one here. I can go on. I can go in some different directions with the Bears. You know, somebody told me don't sleep on Bijeon with them either. By the way, I love.

Speaker 1

Who's there starting? Who are starting running back? Khalil Herbert right now? I don't know, man, that could be a major upgrade.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean they you know they bought they brought over Deante Foreman. Yeah they got.

Speaker 1

Yeah, Okay, another Texas So.

Speaker 2

Gosh, that's that's fun. That's that's intriguing. Gosh, this is this is my hardest one. This team last year, by the way, last defensively, last in points per game. Uh, third down sas ant sacks or third downs an sacks, They're They're the worst. They're terrible Russian. So I know they've brought in a lot of D line and they've made an investment there. I was gonna take Scarrotsky. You

took them right in front of me. Yeah, gosh, I might just go and say, they're going to try and get a big, clean player, and I'll give him a corner. I'll give him Gonzales.

Speaker 1

It's a good pick. It's a good pick. You can't go wrong with that pick. Christian.

Speaker 2

I think it's I think that the Bijon thing is is even though they've got some backs they can line up and play with, they don't have anybody like him, So that would be one I wouldn't sleep on with them, but I'll give him a corner.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I think we agree that at ten. You know, Jim Rosenhouse is on HBO this week and he's talking about having a team that's that's told him Jalen Carr is going to go there now like I took him with Detroit. If he doesn't go to Detroit. This is a landing spot that a lot of people have the Eagles going there. He's off the board. There's a lot of good guys, a lot of good offensive linemen here

that are still on the board. But I think this is the year the Eagles break the trend and for the first time since the nineteen eighties, they take a running back. I'll go Bijon Robinson tenth overall to the Eagles.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I'm clapping for you right now because I've been lobbying for this and it's you know, I've worked in that personal department for two years. I know their thoughts on running backs and they don't do it. I think this is a different year. I don't know, we talked about this on TV that they kicked around. We don't need to expound on it. But to me, I just think it's them and the Niners. It's it's really a two team conference right now. And that's one thing the

Niners have that they don't. I mean, they don't have Christian McCaffrey's a difference maker. The Lions didn't. I mean, I think did the Niners lose after he got there, until they lost all the quarterbacks against the even the lost.

Speaker 1

I think they lost. They might have lost the first game that they played, and then I think they got blown out by the Chiefs, and then from that point on they liked won every game.

Speaker 2

Yeah, so I like that one. All right, I've got the Titans at eleven.

Speaker 1

Hey, real quick, what's your what's your comfort? Bijon Robinson. I've been saying Saquon on air, and people are.

Speaker 2

I go back, I go back, old school Edrian James.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's a good one. That's really good.

Speaker 2

I don't I mean he actually, I mean just the way he kind of he moves around side. Yeah, he kind of looks like LT. But I just I just being around LT, like, I can't. I can't. I can't. I just can't. I have too much reverence for LT. I can't do it. But all right, we get to the Tennessee Titans here, all right, Tennessee Titans. This is a team that's offensively challenged, to say the least. So we're sitting here right now. They've got Anthony Richardson still

on the board, so we're in a situation. Now. We've got a little bit of a free fall here.

Speaker 1

Pete Richardson, and we also have Hooker still on the board. If you're talking about the five quarterbacks.

Speaker 2

Yeah, so the Titans note here, uh still need there on the offensive line white out wise. I just don't think they have any firepower. So even though he's my second receiver, I'm going to give him Jackson Smith and Jigba here and take off the board. They just need some more punch. They need some more firepower offensively, So I'll go in that direction. See if him at trailing Burks can get them going a little bit.

Speaker 1

All right, Now, Look, if the Texans pass on Stroud and Levis and Richardson at two, if Richardson's sitting there at twelve, do they say, well, it wasn't in our plan to take quarterback. We had a very strict plan here, and we're going to go defense and maybe whatever else at twelve, go offensive line. But gosh, Richardson sitting there at twelve, and then it's like we've been waiting all these years today quarterback. Do we want to take the fourth one off the board. That's a real tough decision.

Or do you just go offensive line, defense, build up your team, get a wide receiver here?

Speaker 2

Crap?

Speaker 1

I'm going to say, Anthony Richardson twelve to the Texans, I don't think they planned on taking them too. And then here he is at twelve, and may your future plans of Caleb Wilson or whoever else you might have think can get there next year or just out the window, and you go Anthony Richardson right here.

Speaker 2

Okay, Anthony and Richardson off the board. Now we get to the New York Jets. Jets could go in a lot of different areas. Everybody always I always kick around the idea of them taking a defensive lineman, and then they go, that's the deepest position on our team. They're never they would never do that, blah blah blah blah blah. And I'm like, you know their background, you know Joe's background, you know what they.

Speaker 1

Just give me Joe and Sala I mean yes.

Speaker 2

And yeah exactly, And look at where this team could be next year. Carl Lawson is probably not going to be there. You look at Huff is not going to be there. So you're gonna take a couple of guys out of that mix. And it's like, Okay, well I wouldn't I wouldn't totally roll that out, but I still think they've been caught with offensive line depth issues. Makai Beckton, as much as I love him when he's on the field, he hasn't been able to stay on the field. I

think they have to go offensive line here. For for me, this is again, this is not the order that I have them. This is where I'm going to say it goes and I'll say Rodert Jones from Georgia.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, I like it, which brings up the Patriots at fourteen. Gosh, Patriots signed Juju.

Speaker 2

Right, Yep, They've signed Juju. And there's another wide out there too with Juju, and they brought into Sicki at the tight end and then yeah, there's still though there's nobody on there. There's nobody in there receiving core that you go like, that's a guy we have to game plan against.

Speaker 1

I know, I know, all right, Patriots. Patriots will go Paris Johnson offensive line, move him inside, with him at the tackle spot, put him at guar whatever it is, just add to that offensive line. They did col strange last year. They get another one this year, and they continue to beef up the line for whoever's going to be their long term.

Speaker 2

Quarterback as let me just pull this up for make sure I'm crossing them off the lift. So you go, Paris Johnson, check him off. We've got you know, this is one of these deals about this exercise. You know, I think you're probably the same as me. I've said, Nolan Smith's going to go, He's not gonna He's not going to drop. He's sitting here, not very any And I know the packers could look at other areas, but to me, this gives him a fastball. I hope for Shan Gary could stay healthy.

Speaker 1

Yeah, but dude, like I'm gonna I'm going to tell you something about that, the dropping and all that. Last year, Jermaine Johnson, everyone you spoke to in the world said he's going top ten. He's got to. The Jets are sitting there at twenty six. The year before that, Rashan Slater will not escape the top ten. Will that it happens. He's sitting.

Speaker 2

It happens.

Speaker 1

It really does happen. And I don't want it to happen to Nolan Smith, just as well could happen to Bijeon or Peter Skarnski or whoever. But like this is how the draft goes other teams take other players, and similarly the Packers. You didn't expect in a million years that Nolan Smith is gonna be sitting there at fifteen and you don't want to go just defense, defense, defense every year. But there he is.

Speaker 2

My all counts. Great, great dude too. Character wise, all that stuff off the charts, and they're collecting a lot of Georgia players. They went Wyatt and kowy Walker previously. Now they go back and dip into that. Well, so uh, I'm gonna take care. I just thought, you know, with with Nolan Smith, somebody brought up a great example the other day, which was you. I was talking to a GM about it and I was using the Hassan Reddit company said, you know what, I think you can use

him like the Cowboys use Michael Parsons. Let him just kind of be that walk around blitzer I think they prefer to as a spinner and you can rush him and play them off the ball if you want. But I'm gonna go there, Okay, all.

Speaker 1

Right, that's all right. And then you know you're looking at defense still here as I went to the Commanders and they've they're another team that's loaded on defense and then I've got van Ness on the board, and you're like, do you just add another pass rusher.

Speaker 2

Right?

Speaker 1

Like they have all those guys like you know what, Uh, I'm gonna go with h I'm gonna go with another skill position. They last year they got Dotson in the first round. I'm gonna go with Dalton Utah as the sixteenth overall pick. I'm not convinced on their quarterback situation with Brissette and Howell, but there's not a quarterback I don't think they're taking at sixteen right there that's going to be playing instead. So Dalton Kincaid, I like it.

Speaker 2

I'm going to go Darnell right tackle Tennessee with the Steelers. So the Steelers, you know, if you're looking at those that tier of tackles, this is the last one you've got. Rodert Jones's gone, Paris Johnson's gone. This is the next one in line. And if you look at the corner position, where I think they could look here as well. There's some good names on the board, but I think the

tackle group falls off a cliff. So if you want to tackle in a corner, I think you have to take the tackle first and wait for the corner.

Speaker 1

Okay, smart, that was sort of what the Giants had the decision last year, and they said we could wait on evan Neil, but Thibodeau is there now, We're going to take Thibodaux right here. And then Evan Neil was there when they were drafting Lions eighteen, Lions traded away, they added a lot on defensive back. And yet I'm looking at Joey Porter Junior sitting there. I believe it was you who said this our Colleen Wolf yesterday, which was shocking. There has never been a Penn State defense

in the first round. That's a weird statu And then yet I'm trying to think of Penn State defensive backs and not many come to mind. So I guess it does make sense Joey Porter Junior will be my pick at eighteen, meaning that their two first round picks are Jalen Carter and Joey Porter Junior. Pretty good.

Speaker 2

I feel like you're sliding Troy Apke personally tricky.

Speaker 1

He's not a nice little career.

Speaker 2

Yeah, all right, Tampa, Tampa is sitting here at nineteen, and I'm looking at Head and Hooker is still being a possibility here. He's still out there. But I think when you look at where things are and what's still left on the board, I think with van s still being there, I think I'm going to lean in that direction. I think it's about value pick at this point in time. Give them another another weapon they can deploy on that front.

Speaker 1

Lucas van Ness out of Iowa. I love that kid. I love him as the town. I don't know where he goes in the draft. I've heard someone tell me that you know you took Nolan Smith and your mock when van Ness is on the board, you know, van Ness is over Smith on our board. O, my god, that's interesting. You know the teams, teams are different, teams are different. Seahawks they got fifth overall. Here you had the Seahawks taking c. J. Stroud, which is awesome.

Speaker 2

Months ago, right right, it's so good.

Speaker 1

Seahawks back on the board and I'm gonna go Seahawks. Seahawks. Oh man, the Seahawks are pretty loaded, you know, like it's just like it's this fun team where they actually with all their d fixed yesterday last year playing. They've got a lot of talent Seahawks I will select. I'm debating between offensive line and pass Rusher, and gosh, I'm gonna go with Oh Cyrus Torrance out of Florida, big guard, add another guy to block up the middle, and you've

got your Kenneth Walker and all that stuff. But I did not have him in my first round in my mock draft. I've not heard him use many places. Second pick in top twenty, here we go, O Cyrus Torrance did not see that happening, all right?

Speaker 2

I like it. That leaves me with the Chargers, right, So, yep, a lot of different ways they can go. I'm going to go knowing full well what they already have in this position group and knowing that I don't know how long it's going to continue with Keenan and Mike together there. And I love Josh Palmer is a really good player. But I've developed this thing called the Mahomes doctrine. Feel

free to take it. But the Mahomes doctrine states that if you were in the AFC, no such thing as having too many weapons or too much offense.

Speaker 1

There's not enough love it.

Speaker 2

So I'm gonna go Jordan. I'm gonna go Jordan Adison to the Chargers here, throw him in their receivers.

Speaker 1

Pick I hear that. You could also say you can never have enough pass rushers in the Mahomes world.

Speaker 2

I know, but I know they played on an ice rink. But even with all the pass rushers last year against the Chiefs did end up mattering. I mean, I know, I know.

Speaker 1

Gosh Ravens. All right, here's the one from left fields. Didn't have him in my first round, and yet I love them and everyone on the scouting community that I talked to you say, well, it probably wouldn't be our pick, but you didn't include him in your first round? Why not going with a manual four in Mississippi state one hundred and six, see five pounds at the combine you slided him.

Speaker 2

He was one sixty six, one sixty six.

Speaker 1

One sixty six, beefed up. I believe that is.

Speaker 2

Big.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Is there a body type like him?

Speaker 2

I was with role with the Ravens and he worked right. Yeah, he was great. So there's a couple of annual forbes. He's a freak. He's got unbelievable ball skills. Another one, Fred Smoot, had a similar body type back in the day.

Speaker 1

Really, okay, all right, you're up with the Vikings and Hendon hooker is on the board.

Speaker 2

No Hendon hooker is there? Man else I would potentially go here?

Speaker 1

Mmmm.

Speaker 2

I like Hendon Hookers, but I almost I almost liked the idea of me passing on to see, yeah, see what you can do, and me look at the rest of these teams that there's not really a it's not really the Yeah, there's one possibility still remaining. So I want to keep handing a hooker on the board for you because I want to see what else you what else you have on From an information standpoint, I'm going to be selfish. I'm going to look at the Minnesota Vikings.

I'm going to give the Minnesota Vikings Deontay Banks a corner from Maryland.

Speaker 1

Yep, good player. I was going to go ahead or Forbes to the Ravens there.

Speaker 2

I almost went Deyontay Banks to the Chargers too. I could make that case too.

Speaker 1

That's about where he'll go. He's here, and the other guy who's going to go here, who I'm going to probably take with the Jaguars pick Let me see if you can.

Speaker 2

I'm already get inside your head. I already know what you're doing here, what you're.

Speaker 1

Doing, and that is exactly right. Brian Branch will be the pick for the Jaguars here. He's the perfect pick for this selection. Good placement. And you said yesterday on the mock draft, lot play Nickel, play inside, play outside, and you know, just get a good football player here, a leader and maybe the hardest hitter in the entire draft. I like it, Giants.

Speaker 2

I am up with the g men. I'm going to give them. I think I'm going to give them a weapon. This is an interesting one. I have this guy as my thirty first overall player, and teams are split. Some like him significantly better than that. Other teams are not a high on him. He's got inconsistent hands. But Quentin Johnson from TCU has he just got an intriguing skill set. He's one of the few big receivers in this draft. He plays faster than he timed. And so give the Giants so another weapon here.

Speaker 1

So I put Jay Flowers in my mock draft, and Quentin Johnson was on the board, and multiple people are in the league text to me and said, looking at it, like your order of your receivers might be off. If the Giants who took wan Dale Robinson last year were to take Zay Flowers. That wouldn't make sense. You're looking to do a basketball team, Quintin Johnson makes more sense for the Giants, all right? Uh? Cowboys? Cowboys again. Colleen

Wolf mentioned this on Good Morning Football. She was filling in, like have a really good track record in the first round. I think you want to, you know, poke at like the Cowboys for being this dramatic team, Like they picked solid players, they all end up playing roles that first year. Who would they take though? Let's see here, who's on the board. Who do we got? All the tackles are gone.

Speaker 2

I got one sticking out on them of considering what they lost last and free agency at a franchise tight end that they lost let walk away.

Speaker 1

Dalton Schultz is your franchise tight ends.

Speaker 2

But they franchised them, so it makes them he was their franchise place semantics over here, Peter, come on.

Speaker 1

Sorry, that's interesting because you've got not only the Georgia kid Washington, you also have Michael Meyer from Notre Dame, and then you also have who I think is getting the Iowa kid, Laporta. He's getting he's getting some buzz. But I'm going to go running back here you also want to seek Elliott. I'm going to go Jamior Gibbs. I'm going to give them the running back out of Alabama and say firepower. You can use them as a wide receiver at times in that kind of passing game.

I'm going to say they need just talent on offense here. I'm going to say Jamir Gibs running back out of Alabama to the Cowboys. I like it, Bills, the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 2

I mean I like the wide receiver here. Again, going back to Myama homes doctrine theory, I know Jack Campbell, linebacker from Iowa. I would not sleep on that here with what they lost the free agency. So no Tremaine Edmonds. Is it Jack Campbell to replace him? I'm gonna go I want to get a new name in the mix here, so I'm going to give you Matthew. I'm going to give you Matthew Bergeron. He's a tackle guard from Syracuse that has a lot of love on the streets for him.

He's a good player. I liked him. I thought he's the second round guy. But I think because we have you know, he's next in line. When you look at the the linemen that are already gone. I think he's going to go up higher than people think. So let's let's get him on the board to identify him. All right, He'll play guard for them.

Speaker 1

I'm gonna do this. I love it, and I'm gonna do the same thing with my next pick. Because I'm the Cincinnati Bengals. I believe I gave them a tight end in my mock draw. I'm gonna change it up here. You've probably been talking about him a lot more than I have. I didn't have my first round and I got multiple text saying you didn't include this player. I'm gonna go Anton Harrison out of Oklahoma offensive tackle. I know some teams have him in their top five at

the position. Others say not in our top ten in the position. I think I'm going to go offensive line, especially if Jonah Williams is asking to be true. I don't know what's going on with their offensive line. Bengals. They add another one, Anton Harrison at Oklahoma.

Speaker 2

Yeah, it's interesting there are I'm probably in the lower camp on him, but I know he does have sponsors. And look, the Bengals just going to Boomer Sooner with the Orlando Brown and Anton Harrison as the bookends.

Speaker 1

There, there you go, all right, the Saint Joe Mixon in the backfield.

Speaker 2

Yeah, exactly, all right, we get to the Saints here, Peter. I mean, now, at this point in time, I wasn't even looking at the I wasn't looking at the fact that this was an odd team and not an even team because I wanted you to have to make this decision. But here I am faced with it.

Speaker 1

What I'm doing a thing on the show tomorrow. What Mickey loomis. I mean, they're the kind of team that they've hit so many guys that they also aren't scared to take the guy that no one else will. So what was it Peyton Henderson? What was his name? The guy Peyton? Peyton Turner and Marcus Davinpored a couple of years you were trading up for. Like, they're one of those teams that Mickey takes his guys and he's like, I'll deal with the criticism. Just I trust what I know,

So go for it. Anything off the board with Mickey.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I was gosh, I was looking to go kind of off the board here, but I think I'm gonna I'm gonna go conservative. Let me just look at one more thing here to make sure that I'm not missing it. I'm is going to take Mayor here. I'm just going to take a tight end. I sold security blanket. Yeah, Notre Dame, well, Notre Dame tight end. Just a good

all round player. I think he's one in a draft where there's a lot of guys who don't fit the specs undersize, there's there's all these question marks, like he might not ever be an a lead elite player, but he's going to be a good player. I feel like he's one of the few known quantities in this draft.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, you know how you loved and I always think of when it comes to tight ends. You loved Howkinson that you were right. He was great this year for the Vikings. You know, Eagles, pass rushing offensive line, pass rushing offensive line. I already went off the board with a running back and Jon Robinson. That's not what a j do. Will McDonald the fourth, We'll go out of Iowa State, send him to Philly and uh turn them loose, let him fly. You know, people like him

in the league. I guess he's a first round pick. It's not his early second. So got a Matt Campbell, Nick Sirianni connection there. Those guys are tight. So we'll go there last pick on the draft, and there are a lot of guys left.

Speaker 2

No, I think I have no choice here. I'm going to take Miles Murphy.

Speaker 1

Miles mary had a Clemson.

Speaker 2

Yeah, he's my twenty second player. He's you know, he kind of fits that big, sturdy, rugged edge rusher. You think about Frank Clark, the type of guys they like to play with Carl Loftis. Those guys are big, physical guys, and I think Murphy would fit that. So Frank Clark is gone, and now you just throw him in there with Carl Loftis and off you go.

Speaker 1

All right, So DJ at the end, there we went gibbs bergeron Harrison Meyer, McDonald, Murphy. I'll recap the entire first round, but let me just give you some names. Let's go to your top fifty. Some guys that names did not come up. Your twenty second ranked player is Zay Flowers. We did not select him in the first round of this draft. Elijah Cansey was not selected in this draft. Banks was twenty five. Darnell Washington was not

selected in this draft. Canty. You mentioned Keon White at a Georgia Tech not drafted in this draft, and uh, Brian Branch was, and then Felix and then Duke.

Speaker 2

It was that was gonna be my pick, and that in my last in my final mock draft. What I got to do next week? He might be my pick for Casey. So yeah, I like Casey taking it, taking one of these rugged edgereshers and somehow but in the way we did this time, you had Murphy there, so I was taking.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I'm looking around, I'm looking at any of there are any huge names that didn't get drafted, no other than that the Hendon Hooker. So Hooker doesn't get drafted if we do it this way, would that shock you if you fell out of the first round.

Speaker 2

No, I mean if you told me that Hendon Hooker was the eleventh pick, or Hendon Hooker went in the third round, that sounds crazy to say that, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't be shocked. It's a weird draft. It's a weird situation with him age, injury, offense, Like, there's some questions there. I love the skill set, I love everything I've heard about him, and I can make a case to take him there. But I can also make a case of people saying there's just, you know, too many questions. We'll wait.

Speaker 1

I believe there were thirteen trades on Day one last year. Does that sound like it's too much? I think that's the stat I got thirteen, So all of this could be moot. But DJ, do you want do you have two seconds for me to just go through the entire draft real quick? Go for it, Aaron, I'm going to just rattle them off, all right. Panthers one Bryce Young, two Texans Tyree Wilson, three Cardinals, Will Anderson, four Colts. Take Will Levis over CJ. Stroud, five Seahawks c J.

Stroud to the Seattle Seahawks. No one has that anywhere. That's why I do this. Six Lions, Jalen Carter, seven Raiders Devin Witherspoon, eight Falcons Peter Scornski, nine Bears Christian Gonzales, ten Eagles Byjon Robinson, eleven Titans Jackson Smith, Najibba, I always get it wrong? What is it? Nijigba?

Speaker 2

Did I in jig in jigba? You're quote myself?

Speaker 1

I feel like I'm Jis constant Texans twelve. No one has them taking a quarterback with that to I mean Anthony Richardson, He's sitting there. I don't know if that's why you draft him one, but gosh, what do we do with Richardson? What do you if he I.

Speaker 2

Don't know where to put him. I don't. I don't like I haven't talked to somebody that says, you know what this team is a Richard like. I've talked to zillion people that say the cults are eleves. Now, I haven't talked to any I just don't know where to put him. Gosh.

Speaker 1

Thirteen Jets, Broderick Jones, fourteen Patriots Paris Johnson, fifteen Packers Nolan Smith, another Georgia defender. You're right, they took two in the first round last year. Sixteen Commanders, Dalton Kincaid at a Utah tight end, seventeen Steelers Darnell Right, offensive tackle at a Tennessee Lions. Joey Porter junior out of Penn State Buccaneers, Lucas van Ness out of Iowa Seahawks. I don't know what the hell I was doing here, Oh,

Cyrus Torrence twentieth overall sull Could it be? I don't know, right, big guy who knows twenty one Chargers, Jordan Addison wide receiver to USC Ravens twenty two, Emmanuel Forbes Vikings they go corner as well, Deontay Banks Jaguars go corner as well.

Brian Branch Giants, Quintin Johnson wide receiver, TCU, Cowboys, Jamior Gibbs running back at Alabama, Bill's Matthew bergeron offensive lineman out of Syracuse, Bengals, Anton Harrison, offensive lineman at Oklahoma, Saint Michael Mayer out of Notre Dame Eagles, Will McDonald the fourth out of Iowa State, and then Miles Murphy out of Clemson finishes out the first round going to the Chiefs. That's a first round, folks. That is a first round.

Speaker 2

Thirty one for thirty one, I nailed it.

Speaker 1

That was fun.

Speaker 2

It's good stuff, man, It's a good exercise. And again I always tell people, one of my pet peeves through this process is not specifically mock draft related, but is when when people can throw out this guy's a top he's a first round pick. This guy is a top fifty pick all day long, and it's like, well, if I add up all the guys that you've said our first round picks, Like, there's not forty five of these guys going in the first round. So we got to

stop saying all these guys are first round picks. When you do an exercise like this, you realize there's some really good players that aren't going to get picked in the first round in the NFL.

Speaker 1

I don't know, is it still Gil Brandt who does it? Like the NFL invites these guys and everyone assumes that, like the rig is in if they got invited to the draft and they're attending, they're going in the first round. That's not the case. How many drafts do you have to be at where you realize there's usually five to six guys in that green room the next day who were not selected day one.

Speaker 2

Yeah. No, I always say there's probably four guys that get invited every year that if you be honest, they pack too soon.

Speaker 1

All right, Danel Jeremiah so excited for your work next week. You're going to be doing a lot of stuff obviously throughout the week, but most importantly Thursday night, Draft Night. I am an unabashed fan of our coverage of the

NFL network. I know I'm very biased, but I know we're doing crossover stuff with ESPN, I beg of every listener put on NFL Network Night one, Night two, and then when you and I joined forces the special Day three, when we're on the table together, some of my favorite moments.

Speaker 2

I know what you just said, and I agree with you, except for one thing I will dispute. You said. My favorite thing is Thursday Night. But my favorite thing is not Thursday night.

Speaker 1

Talk about Saturday night. Talk about it is.

Speaker 2

My favorite thing is Sunday night or no, Saturday, Nurday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Saturday Night. Me and Shregs. I'm holding up a picture right now. You're listening. You don't know what I'm doing. It's a picture of me and Shreggs having a nice romantic dinner at the belagio next to the window with the fountain.

Speaker 1

We got a reservation at a hotel last here at five thirty Saturday after the draft, and it was at a restaurant that I want to say, was in the bolagio overlooking the fountains. And a man came by and said, I will take your photograph because it was so romantic. They thought we were a couple. I will take your photograph and you guys will put it in one of these sleeves and you can have the photograph and all this stuff, and I go, yeah, do it, do it.

And then the guy charged me fifty eight dollars for said photograph. We split it, We split it, we split it. And guess what's in my dressing room right now? At Good Morning Football? There's literally like an NFL almanac. There is a bag of high chew candy, and then there is that picture. I don't have any pictures of my family. I have that picture of you and I at the ballagio overlooking the fountains. And guess what.

Speaker 2

I can't wait to see what you have cooked up for us this year. I can't wait.

Speaker 1

Annual tradition we have said, we've done this. We did this. I started in Nashville, and you and I both agree. And it's almost like are the feeling of when the draft is done. It feels like there's a seven thousand pound gorilla that is just off your shoulders, and you and I treat ourselves to a steak, a piece of fish, whatever it is. We enjoy each other's company.

Speaker 2

That Saturday night, Yeah, that's on again. It's one of my favorite days of the year. I can't wait for the draft, can't wait to be with you, buddy. We're going to have a blast, and I think this exercise proved that none of us really have any idea what's going to happen in this thing. Buckle up and enjoy the ride.

Speaker 1

I'm just hoping for a lot of trade. So my mock draft, I have an excuse when it's all wrong on Thursday. That's it. Daniel Jeremiah at Move the Sticks, my favorite draft analyst and one of my favorite people that we work with here at the NFL Network, and just in general, it's awesome, dude.

Speaker 2

And Aaron, I'm.

Speaker 1

Gonna let you sign us off here with the music because this was it mock draft. What's up? Doc? Can we mock everyone? Watching the NFL Draft coverage next week on NFL Network DJ.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Bro, Thank you buddy.

Speaker 1

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