Super Bowl LVII Radio Row: Antoine Bethea and Darius Butler

all good. But yeah, man, you're like my little side kick. We go back and forth. You know, I am sidekick because you know I'm younger than you. So that's the gist of it all. If you're not younger than you, you can't be a sidekick. And that batman uh situation. So I'll tell you, Robbins, that's calm. Let's just go ahead and thank the viewers and the listeners out there for always tuning in consistently, and I've always appreciate them.

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D podcast. D all all all dB all day. We got Dear's Butler and Twine Pathea, Uh, we talked ball. We got their their podcast, man and man, it's a good one, y'all. Don't want to miss that one. It was that might have been one of the best ones a day. It's awesome because Twine, look and you know he was We got drafted together, we worked out together. He's one of the more confident guys you'll ever meet,

especially being in from Howard. You never would have known that because you think he's a big school guy because of how confident is, how great is how great his career was. But uh, I just love because I've listened to their podcast quite often. It's really an attaining that's what's up. That's what's up. So, uh, your first radio row. This is like my tenth or twelfth radio row. I've been doing it now, I'm lying, I'm exaggerating. It's probably like my six or seven. I've done it a few times,

not on this side, not interviewing players and talking to them. Um, I was always the interviewee. So having done it one time, we're wrapping things up. How how do you feel about it? I feel like a lot of my questions will kind of fire. Honestly, Um, I thought my dress game was on point at times I thought I Honestly, my best experience is that as I've got to meet all these great players, hall of famers, current players, former players. UM, it just always amazes me when they know my name

and I don't take granted. Yeah, I think it's the coolest experience, and it's it even shocks my wife, like we we met um uh oh, my gosh the coach at Tennessee State, Uh, George, Eddie George, and Eddie George is like, oh I know Roman, now you know to introduce me, and my wife's like he knows you. I'm like make just like man, I was that good for y'all. It's amazing. But it also shows you that these guys are football fans too. They watch it and enjoy it. Just as much as we all do. And it's a

cool thing. Um when you get that caller, people that you that you're such a big fan of actually know you or that they're a big fan of you. So that's been my my old wild moment. I'm hanging out with John Randalls pin know what's up? Man? Aw you doing good? I was like, damn me, remember my name? You're Hall of Fame John. Yeah, my voice got a little hot. Picture. I was like, hey, what's up are you doing? Like? I just you just got excited though.

Also Orlando Pace, the creative of the pancake, Hugh Mongous human being. They just want to throw that out there for those that don't know Hugh Mongous human being. See I know him because we played together, OHI, Ohio Chicago one one year, one season, Hugh Mongous person. He's still big, He's very very large. He's still big. Yeah. But anyways, man, we had a great combo with Antoine drris Man. I'm looking forward to everybody. Let's take a listen, let's ask

to the interview about that. Put let's go check it out. All right, We're here a radio row and we are joined with two special guests, and these guys, these two gentlemen, it's the whole thing about the DBS. We bring it more. I think this is dB day. It's been a lot of DBS here and uh, it's nothing but love when they come here. Two guys that really bawled out their whole career, Daris Butler, my man, and of course my favorite guy Antoine. But they are number forty one another

number forty one out here. This is the guy that did it even more than me, for longer than me in the same draft class. Sorry, dearis, I gotta give major love. This is we trained together. This is we trained together. He was the first one that actually taught me when young Jock was doing it is going down like I never dance. But no, I've never seen this before. We had some good times in the age. Yeah it was. It was going crazy and this was I just got there.

I started working out. The Howard season was ended before Alabama season. That me at HBCU when it's a little different. You know, I'm the house. I'm trying to get my daughter to go there. I went there a little college trips, so yeah, man, I'm trying to I hope you go there. So let there telling Rome about Yeah, yeah, and so Twine like put me on game man early on the process of training working out man. It was great times and we followed each other's career. Man drafted in the

same year. Um, hit him a little bit later to me. But hold on, let's get this in. So are you guys gonna be okay because last time you guys played against each other the super Bowl, the Super Bowl forty one. I'm just trying to hold you back, right, great time. It was a good time for you. Yeah, great time. I'm glad. I'm glad somebody wanted to know if there is there's no animals here and like that. That was years ago. I only get mad when you break it

up because you trying to put me down. You try to bring me down with that negative energy, and I felt like was a slight shot at me as well. Wait wait, wait what he's good for that? He's he's definitely good for that. Hey, look, man, we did talk about this. We talked about it, and you're right, Um it was. It was a great day for me. And a couple of years later and forty four, I actually got my championship, by the way, and uh, credit to you guys. You're putting up a great fight. Thank you.

So what do you you? One? One for two, one in one, one in one, one and one and two. Damn yeahs. So here we go. His last question I got for Twin and this is a little bit of a legacy thing. So, Twin you played how many years? Fourteen? Longer than any other safety in our draft class. I do know that it was only six other players in our whole draft class, no matter position or player that

played longer than you. Can you name me those six, or at least try You can tag your partner if you need a little help to six phone a friend. It was one defensive back for him. It's one dB. Who's the first pick in that drift? Mario Williams, Mario Williams. This young was third, I believe. Yeah. Jonathan Joseph South Carolina played at Houston for extremely long time, finished his career. Lether dude. He still lives in South Carolina now right closer to you where you actually asked about the move

right to be there? Okay, uh, you know anybody else? I do not. Stephen Gotkowski, the kicker. I say that last name again. I wanted you to say. I just wanted you to say, thank you, thank you, thank you. We got the Mata Pico. He was the d tackle. Okay, he's a big you know what I'm talking about. And Andrew Witworth of course, and Sam Cook the punter. Yeah, I mean he was picked four picks ahead of you.

Solid class, A solid class there it is. I think the OH three class might have had some more big names. But I'm just maybe I'm biased because I'm O three guys. I'm just you guys were a bigger shoulder pads to back. Now. We we brought the rougets. We came with it, so check it. No, he looked older. I'm older, but he looks man. That used to trip me out the first time I've seen this guy. Please tell this story. Man.

We was in De Louke, Georgia, were training, like you said, you know how, I think I probably got there like two or three weeks ahead or three weeks ahead, and Roman. Roman walks in. Look at how he's looking right now, and I'm like, I'm I'm like, my guy gotta be at least first know the story. I'm like, okay, he might got a phenomenal story. Or you know, you went on the mission and he came back back. He's like, nah, man, you know, just jeans forever. Dog. Always been great dog.

It's just what it is. He's been great with eighth grade. Yeah, it came to junior high. I got my first great hair in my barber was like, hey, man, I got this great hair a period. What you want to do with it. I was like, I heard if you cut it, you get three more, So just leave it. And it's just it's been coming up since, so it's part of it. So the first time I met him, the same exact thing we met at op O back or is it Opio uh p A excuse me. We mean at this

this conference, christial conference. We go, we do our thing, but he's in my group. I thought he was like o G. Then I was, you know, I'm getting ready to call him uncing everything. For those uncle's uncle short for uncle, So I'm you know, I'm calling He's like, oh, you know, I'm only my second here. I'm like, second year. What in the world. God man, that dude has been

through some stress. Eve been smoking some cigarettes because black is supposed to be that the the Harvard to be that great, this young but we developed a relationship, you know, we finally became teammates when we were in Carolina amazing season Super Bowl fifty we lost. Sorry, um YouTube became teammates right three years, two thousand, two thousand, eleven, and two thirteen. And because I assume you guys must have formed one

hell of a friendship bond right two twelve. Okay, sorry, you guys formed some type of a friendship, some form of a bond right for you guys to have your man Man podcast. So can you tell us a little bit more about like how that how that kind of friendship was molded, and how you built that to get this podcast. Well, I came in obviously, you know, a new a b from from a distance at Washington from a distance were respected around the league, and at that time,

it was my third team in the league. So the second around pick in New England, get cut after my second year, spend a year in Carolina, and then this was kind of like I sat down with Griggs in the g him and he was kind of like, it's gonna be a last shot, you know pretty much, that's just the reality of it. If you don't come in here and play, well, it's already cool. So I get in there, I'm like, all right, it's gonna it's gonna be my way to how we I gotta go all in and a b was kind of it was we

called him to general in the meeting room. You know, just always came always ahead of the game as far as um running the meeting room. You know how important meeting rooms are young players, and just seeing that, just respecting that and wanting to learn from that just kind of gravitated towards him. And then once he moved on and freez Ce, I kind of had to assume that role and then we we obviously stayed in contact and

then started the podcast. We started in the middle of the pandemic, I think July, and we just started rocking. I think a lot of people might have started podcast

during the pandemic. So why why during the Yeah, it was it was funny because I actually, uh, I hit deep but up and was it was something in my mind, you know, just thinking about it, and obviously you know Dee but was one of the guys that I thought about just you know, his expertise, the way he's able to talk about the exit and ohs, and just the respect that I have for him as a player and as a friend. So when I did call him and I'm like, look, man, I've been thinking about it, you know,

and we told about it. People like being able to do a podcast by yourself. That's tough, you know, so to be able to have somebody that you respect and you know, no, still have the same um, you know ideas as far as the game, you know, we just we just kicked it off. Do you have a segment that you guys prefer to do the most on your Guys show. I've seen you guys do your picks on the weeks and you say like you're not always right, but you're very confident, very very co to be have

to be. Um, I think throughout our time, man, we've had different segments, right, Um, this year we did it is what it is. Um, we had a segment segment where dead that's wrong. We've been that a few times. But I would say those two, Yeah, we talked about you know, pretty much the whole whole league and everything that's happening only just all but things that's happening in real life as well. But honestly, my favorite segments are you know, when we disagree, you know what I mean,

if we agree on a lot of things. You know, we've seen the game a lot of similar ways, but when we actually disagree on something like it ain't nothing like a good old locker room argument. Was the business? What's the biggest argument? You guys probably disagree, i'ma said. So we talked about it as far as is it tougher in the league and being a starter or a backup?

Is this in the NFL? Or like yeah, so so he a long time starter, I started, I rotated in, was a nickel guy, and I might look, it's much tougher, like if you're starting, you get that first hit that you get, maybe you give up a cash, get a tackled, like you're playing ball now you and you're really you get really you get a tempo. As a sub player,

I played sub a lot, sub player. You playing the page they made maybe be the game playing to keep you off the field, maybe twelve and thirteen personnel the first fourteen out of sixteen plays. And then when the game is on two minutes before halftime, I gotta be full go communicating taking the calls. That's tough, and um, you know abs argument more so like, look, it's the expectation everywhere if we play, so you'll go back and forth.

You expected to play at a high level each in every week and as you guys gonna you start us in the league every year, they drafted somebody to get you out of that start, you know. And then if you are starting, you know, your paid your payers up, so they're trying to find another reason to get you out of the building. Um So again, obviously it's tough for playing the league. You know, it was a great debate. You know, I still do my stance. He's still on

one more point on that. We're all players up here, right, so you know, coming into the year, you know you met, you drafted somewhere, you're making a certain amount of money. You know you're you're the guy that year. So you're the guy for the stretch and lesson injury or you just have a terrible four game stretch or something like that.

Right as a backup as a sub player, when you are in there, it's a different mindset as far as when you're that guy like I know, hey, I'm waiting for this formation, this down at this situation, and I'm jumping this route like I'm going like that's just I'm

going throom. Every every series. You may have that right as a backup you maybe I don't want to mess up, like this is my shot and now that can't hold you back obviously, but that's what's going through a lot of the players minds when you are in that road.

And I was in a row. That's that's why I struggled really my second year in New England being because New England you can get bitched, you have a you might be you might have yeah, exactly, So it's crazy, man, just that the psychology behind it as well, so we

can kind of limit your athletics. So we got into a good that was that was definitely a good I think I think what Darris rings up is a great point because you know, if I'm a backup guy and the coach has be inside leverage, and anytime I'm not an inside leverage, what are you doing that you don't get the lead way of like, oh, you know, coach, I had this field. I was like, you gotta be a robot. It's it's rule guys, and his guideline guys. Rule guys were mostly backups, like you gotta do by

the rule by the book. Then we got other guys. It's kind of by the guideline, you know, and I get that to another thing. As far as a backup and the stars, as a starter, you know, everybody's critiquing. Everybody's watching film on defensive side, O c, quarterbacks, receivers, they're looking at you, right, so they can tell, Okay, Roman, he's not good here, Peanut, he's not great here. This

is what he does great? Right. As far as a backup you throw in, it's no film, it's film on you, but really not that much where opposing opposing player can really critique you. So again, as a starter, you gotta bring your p's and queues every game, every down, every snap. I would yeah that was yeah, Yeah, I think I signed more with you because I didn't I started. But I like where you came from. I feel it. I like where I like where you came from. Like, yeah,

it's I hear it, I understand it. I don't agree with it. I hear it, though I don't agree. I guess I don't agree with it because having been a starter, I fought like you. There's always a guy bigger, faster, younger, stronger. He's trying to take food off my table. You're trying to take food or money out of my pocket. So I gotta be on all the time. I'm not afforded, or I can't make this mistake because they can put you in there and then boom. Everybody uses for the

Wally Pip. He got sick, he didn't play, and then he was a Yankee Yankee great. I don't know what Yankee player it was. He came to me, took his spot, and he never gave it up. And that's hey, Wally Pip, that's a story. Google it if you don't believe me. It's true story. So that's that's why I am so Look, I'm a deep physics guy. I talked to everyone about Super Bowl where what two days, two hours and thirty one minutes from the game. Right now, the game is

solely sold on offense. The commercials, the tickets, pictures, everything is offense. Right Everyone wants to see points on the board. I hate high scoring games, can't stand it. I hate bad It's just not good for me. It's good for the sport. Why it's bad defense? Though? It's bad defense? Do you do you want to see a high scoring or a low scoring game? Why? First of all, it's points? Uh? You know it's a lot of uh, you know, regardless depending on which stature and if you can bet on it,

you know, touchdowns, scores, all that stuff. But I mean, I like to see as a defensive defensive player obviously want to see players. You want to see picks. You want to see sex as well. Pick six is those points? I love points. I love it's just the entertainment fact. I also love seeing a will played defensive game as well. And I feel like today's game, you can play great defense and it's still be a thirty one game. When we were playing, that was you play, you felt like

you played terrible on defense. Today you hold my homes or hurts on these offenses like you're looking at your offense like, hey, I gotta put up thirty. If you get one point, you gotta win that game. But remember point, you gotta win that game. I remember when we was in the meet room, it was seventeen for us, Like, you know, we hold a team seventeen, we should be able to win the game. That it was seventeen points. Yeah, so I don't like I'm fourteen and seven team. That's

how we were. Anything past that, it's a failure. I get it. Man, like that was, that was quarterback? That was that was the motto, low low, low scoring games. I like it. Yeah, it also go it shows how smart that your decordinator is. Like, it shows that they really planned, They have a really they have a really good game plan for this team. So I'm curious to see what, uh Philadelphia does, what they have in store for Patrick Mahomes vice versa. I want to see what

Kansas City has in store for Philadelphia. What are they gonna do to get Hurts? What are they gonna do from you know what I'm saying, Like I want to I want to see it's not just other players, but what are your coaches doing to put those players in that situation? Honestly, I think on the defensive side, I think Kansas City have a tougher job then Philadelphia Eagles.

Dug Yeah, um, because you know, you look at Philly, you look at their offense, you look at Jayla Hursts, you look at Mile Sanders how he's been playing and um in the postseason, you look at you know Smith, you look at a J. Brown. They have weapons all across the board. Um Fulfilly, right, Philly. They can run the ball, they can pass the ball, now you've got r P O s and you don't know what Jayla Hursts is gonna do. So in that aspect, I feel like Kansas City, you gotta figure out, Okay, what are

we gonna try to limit? Right flip side? For Philly, you got that defensive line. You've got seven guys in the rotation. Man, they can go get Patrick Mahomes and my one and only thing and I'm gonna do is double huh kelsey and make them beat beat me left handed.

Somebody else gotta beat me and somebody and you've got two great corners that berry in big place slave have balled this year, So you a loow those guys that go one on one on outside and we say, all right, if you beat them, then you deserve it, and we're gonna put all the attention. I mean, I liked the game plan and it's amazing how its defensive guys immediately all right, what are we gonna give up? What are we gonna take over? Can't sleep on Chauncey Gardner Johnson either.

I feel like that was one of their big higher roads. We've done an incredible job putting this rock together. As far as drafting. You look at everybody's offense. Most of those guys have been drafted to that team. But defensively, bringing in Brad Berry trained for Slave, then Chauncey Gardner Johnson who wanted in New Orleans. You know it was it was a great slot defended there and moved back to safety and now have done a lot for that secondary,

for that defense. So when you got on both sides, I think the Eagles had the edge and the trenches, and that's really where I think these games don't come down to the Super Bowl that Mahomes did lose. He was, you know, running for his life. Obviously they got better m on that old line, but I think on the outside those tackles Brown and um, it was wildly. I don't like how they match up with Sweat and Graham

and all those guys. Just Robert Quinn, who's gonna be fresh as well, So it's gonna be it's gonna be tough. But he is still Patrick Mahomes and he's one of the best we've seen even this early on. So predictions right now, what we what we're talking, Give me, give me a score, give me and give me a team. Twine is really good at this it's very confident that yeah, and he's saying it's gonna it's gonna look good at

least coming off. I'm going Philly with dumb. Um, I'm going twenties okay, confident, final answer, final, confident snap And he said it so Philly hardcore two, which is that's that's a lot of points at a point, a lot of points. But what you got, Um, the Eagles have been the best team in the league all year long. I'm going with the best team in the biggest game. I just that's just what it is. The way Kansas City wins the aim is if you know, we all

know it. At the end of the day, as the young people like to say, Patrick Mahomes is gonna say, I am him. If he goes out there and does that, then when the best player goes out there and wins you a game, sometimes he just beat you. And that's what it's gonna have take for Kansas City to win this game. And he's very possible that that could happen. I like the best team in football. Yeah, I'm going with the Eagles. Um, give me a score. What you

got a score? Honestly, I think it's gonna be a lot more, a lot, a lot bigger than what we think. I think maybe why would say that, because I just think it's gonna like the game is gonna be big. It's gonna like it's gonna be a lot of points. But you want, but it's gonna be I think they're going to score. I don't because you can stop passion Mahomes for two quarters and dude, I'm telling you, and you blink an eye and it's it's on. And then

Kelsey's hot. Everybody's celebrating and they and now you're on your heels as a defense. And you know how hard it is when you're in two minute mode in the third quarter. It's tough. It's really tough playing defense into two minute offense. When you're placing two minute offense in that third quarter is just really tough to stop. That's what I think this game kind of gets out of the head. It's gonna play with a much faster pace than what we anticipate. I bet you you're wrong, all right,

I bet you you're wrong. I bet you a hunter push ups you wrong. I'm not gonna put money on it, but I bet you a hunter push ups you wrong. I think it's gonna be a lower, a low scoring game. Hello, I'm gonna say total twenty one points. No one is getting over twenty one points. And I'm saying that with confidence. It's gonna be some great defense. So what's the who wins and what's the score? Okay, Philadelphia wins. I'm gonna say one low scoring game, calling it right there. Confidence,

nobody's giving. It's crazy that we probably are going to be wrong. All right, each one of you guys. I love to ask this question, alright, anytime we get a guy on, what was your first welcome to the fl moment? All right? Like see for me, mom was in training camp. My man, Mike Mackenzie money Mike. He was like, not gonna practice first day of training camp, all right, cool. But Sean Page was like, all right, this is a new thing where you at least got to wear the dress.

So we just had he had to put a helmet on while he rode the bike. Mike always wore shades, So literally he comes out there without a helmet on. They're like, Mike, gotta put your helmet on. So he goes in with the shades on, and I think he's gonna take the shades off because he put it on the helmet right. No, he comes right back out shades on underneath the helmet and riding the bike for like twenty minutes. For me, I was like, Oh, this is what the league is about. This is the league dudes

riding a bike with shades on. Like how cool is that? So I'll give you my welcome to the league and I'll give you a story when I got my bell wrong. The welcome to the league was my rookie year training camp. The real two of days, um and love it real two days for yours that don't know. Two of days was like hardcore, wasn't no, you practice one day, you take your paths off. The real two days was you practice spice of days pass When you were rookie, you

you're doing every everything. The scout team, special team, That's what it was. For me. It was kicking off return, punt punt return, first team, second team, scout team. And this was probably the first time ever playing football. I question if I could do this. Yeah, I had the same question, and I was. I was on the sideline and I remember it was Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden and I'm sitting on I'm on a knee and I'm and I'm just quiet, I'm thinking, and I was like, bro, like,

are y'all hurting right now? Y'all time? And they both just started laughing. They were like, you're gonna be good. Yeah, we're feeling the same way last year. And it kind of helped me. I'm like, Okay, they went through it, so it's not just it's just not me personally, you know, it's just one of those things you have to go through. But that was kind of a my welcome, like, all right, man, this is a little different. It's a little different, man.

And the one time I got my bell wrong, I still to this day don't know who that player was. But we were playing it. We were playing the San Diego Charges and in the darren sproll, he catches a screen pass hauling tail down the sideline and you know, talk about angles, so I'm taking the angle goods trying to I'm I'm getting in and the receiver ran a goal route, so he peeled back arounds, just a straight

running up the film. He peeled back and when he hit me, like instantly, like I just started seeing stars. And the first when I opened my eyes I seen my feet, so he hit me so hard, but you know it was just natural reaction to like just to get up real quick. He scored. I run to the sideline, take my helmet off. One of my teammates like, Bro, you bleed like I had look coming out like you got Rock, I mean mine, Uh really, I got drafted

the Patriots. So I remember we get there is rookie mini camp and stuff going through, you know, doing one on ones, and these guys and DV coach in my air after every amen with Brady Moss ge here, it's gonna be different, like that ain't gonna cut it. I'm like, don't be all right. So them boys get their Brady bass Wroker and I just like everything like I felt like my head was just spending, Like I felt like

I wasn't even playing football anymore. You talked about the leverage, like I knew you had to be in a certain level. All right, We're gonna be outside inside leverage at the line of screamage once we get in the intermediate part of the field. Now I want you outside leveraging of the day, Rock, because you got I'm like, I'm just trying to cover, dude. So that mentally was my kind

of welcome to the the NFL. And then in the game, my first game, Monday Night Football, UM playing against the Bills and that's when they had t o just got their um. Lee Evans Roscoe Parish are still there. I think Fred Jackson, great offense, and it comes down it's one of those plays, last play the game. One of those players you throw it to a guy and pitch it back and pitch it back, and I'm out there running around with like chicken on the head cut off.

So throw it to the first tight endle I hit him, bounce off m He pitched it back to tell Boom he's still farm me. He getting I missed four tackles on one play. So in New England, you win or lose that Monday or that Tuesday. In that case, this is an of the game. You got low lights, you know, so you can win by three touchdow Like you're stressing these low lights. So I'm thinkingna be good. This is the last play the game. He's gonna get to this

one last last thing before the meeting Belichick. Guys, I've been coaching the thirty five plus years in this leave you know, I've seen pretty much everything. I've never seen a guy and missed four tackles or wooden player like coaching hustler man. So that was that was my welcome to the welcome to the league moment. I think, didn't you miss like three or full tackles on one play?

You know what play I'm talking about, y'all know the famous you know when Norman's is playing uh Seattle and then you run through you know, be smoody, run through the hole and break one tackle, breaking another tackle, breaking another tackle. If you look closely, you see room in the background in early did you miss one? I really didn't even miss him. It was like this, like I was, I was setting the edge. He goes inside, so I'm, you know, posting up. He goes inside. So then I'm

like okay, looking then like miss him. I'm like, did I start running? Okay? Corner get off me. I'm like, oh lord, I'm like really running safety dive. Miss he stiff woman, I'm like, you're paying look up, it's just me, three blockers and Marsh and that's when he hit the home I just like, that's like what happened. That's like my favorite player all the time. I look at Idea, what happened? Hilarious? Look at that play? Huh you got me one time? Matter fact on Hester has should have

been in the Hall of Fame. By the way, yes, um he broke a part return record. I believe I was in Carolina this year. I think it was you and Corey Graham maybe. Yeah. And this is my first and last rep as a good and get double teams. We're not We're not trade players like that at all. And I have been sabotaging special teams drills for three

years something to that point. I finally told me the injuries that have ade needs you, y'all need me this game now with this unit, because y'all took the absolute utmost pride in that part unit. So that was definitely not that. That was y'all. I appreciate you into my gunning career over. I'm not trying to deal with man. Yeah. Look, we can't thank you all enough man for coming on our podcast. From you know, man to man, we thank y'all, uh wishing enough but success for y'all, y'all five. I

need a hoodie, please, I want to. I wanna get and shut out you know how it res you you know, ate you? How about to ate you? Uh? Swim me ever go to one? I did not. The swim meets were not like that. When I was I need to go to one, I don't even I'm not even a great swimmer. But now that I'm seeing I gotta get back on. Okay, okay, because I saw it, I'm like, but I need that in my lot of energy. And it's a lot of energy and that swim me Okay,

I'm glad. Hey appreciate that. Appreciate coming always always. So I didn't know that Darius Butler was the gunner at myself and Corey Graham that we kind of murdered on the sideline like I had when he brought it up, and I was like, oh man, I've been up to a lot of guys like I don't really remember. I'm sorry I got you fired off of that. That special team does a gunner like no, you did him a favorite.

Nobody wants to be a gun in the NFL. I'm telling you, it is the absolute worst position to play. Explaining what the gunner is. A gunner is the outside guy on a punt team. So if I'm putting the ball, it's fourth down. We didn't get the ball, we're gonna put it and these other guys on the outside. There on a lot of scrimmage that get to release as soon as the ball is snap, because there it's only three guys that get to release as soon as the ball is snap. You got the up back or the

person protector, and you're to edge guys. They get to release as soon as the ball is snap. And usually it's two on one. They have two defenders blocking one guy and he can't just run out of bounds unless he gets thrown out of bounds. He's gonna get he will get held. He get down, and they allowed them to hold. They allowed the defense to hold. It's the physical rough playing. You just got to have your big boy pats on and pants. You just gotta just you know,

you gotta fight. You gotta fight. You gotta fight, you gotta slap, you get pulled, you gotta do other techniques. You gotta yeah, eye gouge, whatever it takes. You're gonna have to do it when you do. I liked it, um, I like their podcast. I like the view. You know what I told you. Also from them though, is that

I can tell they both care about each other. You can tell like, not everybody that works together likes each other, and not everybody that does podcast together get along or and Darris was like, man, the best times I have is when we don't when we don't agree on something, and so that's really cool when you you know you care that much you like when you disagree, it's almost like the most fun thing. Because we don't disagree that much,

I'm gonna start disagreeing with you more, just just off principle. Well, it's really hard to disagree with me, peanut, because I'm always right. So that's just one of those things. It's really hard to go against the truth. I'm not even gonna argue with that because that's that's another conversation for off camera. Well good, I'm just gonna end the show right now. So thank you for all those listeners, for tuning in constantly. Make sure you go out there, hit

that lag button, give us a review of rating. Anywhere you listen to your podcast with us. That's Drew Brees. I got Drew Brees alright, anywhere you get yeah, Drew, Drew, that's my couple of podcast. I heart radio. All the type of stuff we do. We get people like Drew Brees seeing you're seeing you? Oh my god, that was awesome. What a real treat it was. That was a real treat. Can you can you get back into picture? I don't even yeah, I'm not even in the picture anymore. My bad.

Yeah that's uh yeah, ladies, Drew in future Hall of Fame or Drew Brees one of your teammates, like I worked out with in San Diego and lived there. Amazing individual. Hey man, you know what that is the power of live TV slash radio. This is like what it is right now. I don't know. We're just on a whim and like, man, when you got positive vibes, positive things happened to you, Yes, it was all right. I guess

we'll wrapped the show again for the second time. Thank you to all the listeners out there and all of our viewers now too as well. You got to see a treat today, and uh, thank you. Man. Go out there and give us a rating of review. Hit that button, like, give us a follow, tell a friend to tell a friend to tell a friend. Anywhere you pick up or listen to your podcast at Thanks for tuning in. Peace