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even introduce us. People are tuning into NFL Explained podcast when they were on their phone and they actually clicked the actual link. Come on, man, they knew what they were getting. Yeah, no, no no, it's a good point. It's a good point. But I'd like to think I'm a professional. Although if you've been listening to this episode, that might be up for debate. This episode, in particular, comes from

something that you said on a previous episode. Sometimes you say stuff and it just, you know, it just resonates and we started dreaming about it. And you gotta remind me though, because sometimes I forget it. Like you did say something about like the moon and the some solar system reference had has nothing to do I want to get into it if no, no, no, I'm not going down that path. The path that we're going to go

down is this idea that Tom Brady is not the goat. Okay, pause sort of kind of you said, I'm twisting it. I'm definitely twisting it. This entire episode, really though, is about the quarterback and the greatest of all time, and we're gonna lay things out for everyone, talk about some statistics, some of the things that you saw playing against some of these guys, playing with some of these players as well. But in all sincerity, I think a lot of people

say Tom Brady is the goat. You think about all the Super Bowls and we'll get to dB twelve here in just a minute. You had a different designation forum it's goat, but it's the greatest of all time, not necessarily quarterback. You thought winner, winner, I mean, you just think about it. With seven super Bowls, I mean, I don't think if you think anybody's going to ever get close to that, that's a lot. And when you talk about the greatest of all time with a certain position,

that's a more individual thing. Those Super Bowls as a team thing, and it has a lot of different factors to us, so I can't wait to get into it. All right, we'll talk about Brady coming up in this episode, but we're knocking on the door. We got run in the postseason, we got the super Bowl around the corner. That's the money making time, right, and like that's the

biggest stage on the planet everyone's watching. Is there a player that comes to mind that really cemented their their legacy as a player because of what they did in that game. I would have to say Eli Manning. I mean, think about it. I mean, if you take the super Bowl runs, the Playoffs runs away from his career, I'm not so sure we're thinking about Eli Manning as a Hall of Famer. I would even throw my guy beast Mode in there. I mean during the Playoffs, he had

Beast Quake. I mean I was in on that play. It was seventy power. We blocked it terribly, and to me, it was one of the greatest runs of all time, regardless Playoffs or whatever. Um. But I would say Beast Mode. And obviously you got guys like to Roll Davis, but yeah, Eli Manning, Beam those guys that stick out from me. The Manning one is a good one. By the way, I know we keep throwing out that term goat. Are you cool with that? Should? I like, is there cool

with it? I mean, look, so I asked my son, okay, is there any other terms or whatever? He didn't text back yet he was in school, so I'm still waiting. Uh that was a test text. While look, I'm always I'm always tested him. Like I'll send him a message on Instagram or something like after he's not supposed to have the phone, and if he responds, I'm like, what did you respond for? He's like, but Dad, you sent

the message ahead to respond to day. Because if you send a message in the middle of the day when he's not supposed to have the phone and it says hey, I love you and he says I love you, You're not gonna get mad. It's alright, cool. We'll break the rule that one is okay to go with um. I mentioned this before. I think the way to do this is to not just say, hey, do the greatest of

all time without giving you real analysis. So what we'll do here is go through the backs in the Super Bowl era, specifically, because if we said all quarterbacks and we're going to try our best to do decades, like the generational aspect of the game has changed. There's been an evolution. In fact, we've done numerous podcasts about the evolution of specific aspects of the game. If you've missed any of those episodes, highly encourage you to go back. But I do think about football as a team sport

and then to win. And yet you throughout Eli Manning as an example of a guy that made his legacy in that game. Do we put too much on a championship when evaluating the greatest of all time? I mean, again, yams Uh, you're talking to a former role player. I played quarterback at times in my life when in the National Football League, I was a role player, special team or fullback, backup tailback at times, backup receiver, all of

those things. So absolutely, getting Super Bowls means everything, right, because if you win that Super Bowl, everybody makes more money, everybody becomes more valuable, every you know, everybody, even the front office guys. Everything changes. So yeah, I'm not gonna say we put too much weight on it. No we don't. I think we put the right amount of weight on it, because at the end of the day, that's why we play this game. We played this game that win championships,

not just to get the goat label. It's tough because I think it applies across the board in every sport. There's enough players that played and you and I are roughly the same age. You know, in the nineties in the NBA there was Jordan's and you know what, Jordan's kind of messed it up for a lot of players because how many times do we go through a list of guys and go they don't have a chip, you know what? And it's like, dude, that guy was amazing, and yet you didn't win the ultimate goal. I mean

to me, that has to be considered. And when you're going up against the real goat, who's MJ Like, that's gonna be a little bit of a problem here, all right. I want to give some historical context on some of the numbers, and once again Super Bowl era, So right around nineteen seventy is where we're gonna mark this sucker here.

What we're gonna do here is look at an average number of passing yards per game by quarterbacks since nineteen seventy five year increments, So from nineteen seventy to twenty twenty, the number of yards per game has increased by eighty four, which does speak to the evolution of quarterback play, wide receivers,

the whole thing. We did those specific episodes once again here uh real briefly, nineteen seventy hundred sixty one point four passing yards seventy five a notch up to one sixty two point eight, nineteen eighty a big spite, a hundred and ninety six, then two oh four. Eventually you get to the point in twenty twenty where you're talking about two hundred and forty five passing yards per games,

So some rough numbers to analyze there. We saw that number hit over two hundred, by the way in the early eighties, and then boosted by a quarterback who put up numbers that really no one has ever seen. In fact, when I was a kid, he was my favorite quarterback and I wasn't even a Dolphins fan. I was just a fan of Dan Marino. N. Eighty four, the dude through for five thousand yards, a number no one would reach. This is when you know you're legit until Drew Brees

did it twenty four years later. Like to me, that's it's not a record that happened two years later. It got broken. No, no no, no, took twenty four years, almost three decades for that number to be hit. Now, Marino even through forty eight touchdowns, and that was a number No. One hit until Peyton Manning, who something tells me you might point to a little bit later in this podcast

had forty nine in two thousand four. We could also say that he played in an arrow war defensive backs got away with a little bit more to it, right. I mean not to make this a basketball podcast, but I do think about basketball in the nineties, like you know that was that was tough. Man, were fighting out there. Legit. Now you like you breathe too hard on a guy, and it's for saying the wrong thing. Some words that

just weren't It's just words. When he retired, by the way, Marino, he led the league and passing yards, completions and passing touchdowns. He also led the a f C and passing touchdowns from nineteen eighty three to nineteen So how do you view a guy like Dan Marino? So, first of all, people got to understand, if you haven't met this dude,

he's huge. Okay, he is a big dude. He was at the Buffalo game when I was up there when I was in my cold leather jacket and all that stuff with Colleen and Steve Smith and m J. D Uh. He was there and he's huge, So he's a big dude, and he ain't running nowhere. And to to to understand what Dan Marino met to the quarterback position, I think he was the first guy to show coaches, to show everybody in the football world you can will a team up and down the field and win games consistently with

just your arm, just your arm. You don't necessarily need to because you got to think the sixties and seventies were dominated by the running back position. They ran the football. The fullbacks even ran the football in the early years of the game. And then you get this gun slinger and Dan Marino coming out of Pittsburgh, who you know, had a little bit of a weird delivery, but at the end of the day, he can hit any point

on the field, any point in the field. And to me, that's his significance to the position, the fact that he was a guy. And again I always talk about this on Autotal Access show. There's not a lot of human beings who can wild their team up and down the field with just the abilities of their arm. Dan Marino, in my opinion, was the first, at least the first big time guy where the numbers proved it and everything

on the scene at the quarterback position. All right, A little bit of a tangent here because I had asked you about the Super Bowl being that one moment that kind of makes a career. And as I'm thinking about what your response was, I almost now feel bad, And maybe I shouldn't feel bad, but like, think about that, though. You gotta have so many right circumstances to go into place here, and it's not just about what you do

individually on the field, it's about schematically. Your coach is the play calling your defensive which we'll talk about a little bit later in this podcast. Like can you imagine if and we'll talk about Joe Montana second here, if I said Dan Marino's playing with the Niners, Like do we have a very different conversation about Dan Marino and a very different one about Joe Montana? Or absolutely? I mean, and again I know we're gonna get to Joe Montana,

but you talk about Joe Montana. Yes, one, four super bowls, all lit those things he wanted every time he got there, but he had Bill Walsh, and I'm one of those guys where to me, you cannot discount the fact that Bill Walsh, who is one of the architects of offense in our game. Almost every single offense on any level of anything of football has some type of Bill Walsh principle associated with it. That's how influential that guy was.

And so that's who Joe Montana had it. So I kind of, you know, I give some of that success to Bill Walsh as well. Yeah, I had asked you on a previous podcast when we talked about running backs. I said, Emmitt Smith, right, and he was like, dude, he was good. But I think about those big boys up from Larry Allen, those guys and I played with Larry Allen, Hall of Fame guy. We we talked about

the past rushers and Lawrence Telling. Again, I think Lawrence Tell was one of the best ever to do it right, but he was in the Buddy Ryan defense who was kind of to the National Football League, and it has some advantageous situations for him. Let's just say that, I say I respond to everything that m Rob said with this. By the time we get to the end of the podcast. Who you think is the goat or who you thought

was your selection? It might be different because as I was going through those notes, I had a guy in my head, and after I finished digesting everything, I said, I, So, I'm just throwing that out there. It could be very different if you just stick with us here, Joe Montana, I will bring him up now. Obviously different than Marino. You mentioned that offense with wash, a West Coast offense that relied heavily on a little bit more efficiency, less on the Dare I say that bred far sort of

gun slinger mentality. We'll talk about far of coming up here. His numbers over passing yards, two seventy three passing touchdowns. Those numbers might seem big, but for context, they're not even in the top eighteen all time. Here's the difference. Though he won two m v ps, and he delivered when it mattered the most a point a passer rating in four Super Bowls. By the way, all championships also

had eleven touchdowns zero interceptions in those games. And it also helps if you have a guy named Cherry, right, Jerry Rice the goat the greatest way I received it we've ever seen. But I mean to hear those numbers from Joe Montane. And again, I don't want our listeners to say, oh, Mike rob I'm talking about Bill Walsh. To take something away from Joe Montown, know that hundred passer rade. I mean those are real numbers. Eleven touchdowns

were intercepted. He plead did that. He played those games. He had to make the real end game decisions. He had to be cool as a cue. Come. I remember he would talk about it. Forget that Super Bowl where he had to make that big long drive and he's in the huddle talking about John Candy up in the stands. I mean, that's that was his superpower, being calm and

collected in those crazy situations. But again, when you have a guy like a Bill Walsh, who, again through necessity because his offensive line wasn't that good at some of the lower levels, had to the hell up a new style of offense that the league hadn't seen. Again, Ernie's and Pez did the same thing Mike Martz at the time. You remember Mike Martz when he had our Kurt Warner. Kurt Warner I mean said all types of records, right. But when he left, Mike Martz and that offense wasn't

coach the same he went to the Giants. Kurt looked a little bit different to me. That had a lot to do again with the play called, and it flips the other way. You know. We talked about this on another episode about two h um Man. You know, look at how different his season was with Mike McDaniel there. And it's not not it's just sometimes guys gravitate towards a specific scheme of just a better fit. Talked to

differently from a coach's perspective. You know, how you show up to work like those and your mindset heading into that day changes depending on leadership. And it's not a positive or negative thing, you know, not to knock anyone, it's just kind of the reality of some of those situations I mentioned far. I think he's important to get to. It's a guy who's won three consecutive mp he's seven.

He's still fourth all time in yards touchdown, only behind a couple of guys who could be on the Mount Rushmore of quarterbacks and Brady Breeze and Manning eighteen seasons of three thousand plus passing yards, second only to Yacht t Beach twelve and his eleven Pro Bowls were the most by a quarterback when he retired. There's a lot of good that comes with Brett Farve. There's also some stuff that happens when when you play a whole lot

as well. Also the record holder in most career interceptions thrown and fumblest six I and t s a hundred and sixty six fumbles, a total of five hundred and two career turnover. That doesn't even sound right you saying that, right and two and he has a winning record. Wow, I mean, that's that's all the fame worthy just in itself, right, being able to overcome the turnover that Green Bay fans, by the way, they love this because Aaron Rodgers is

coming up later in this episode. Think about he's kind of the antithesis when it comes to touchdown the interception ratio and yet far you know, look context here. One in every thirty throws that far through was what's an Like, that's crazy to me. But there's also something to be said for playing and being available most consecutive starts by a quarterback two hundred and that to me is as impressive as any of the passing records that he holds.

It is very impressive. I mean quarterbacks sometimes, yea, we see it all the time. I mean, hell, all referees can't get rough in the passing right, right, because sometimes they're in such compromising positions and situations when they're trying to throw the football and just kind of operate their offense.

And so the fact that Brett far through deaths in his family, through everything that's going on, through stuff going on in his personal life that we all knew that was a very public thing, he still went out there and played football. So to me, yet that there has to be something said about that. But there also has to be something said about that. And again, I I almost think I'm saying something wrong because it's Brett Farve. He only got one super Bowl, right, one? Like I

talked about Anne Rodgers. How do you say I got one? He got the same amount as me, and I had none of the talent those guys head And if they were that great, shouldn't we get more out of them? Shouldn't we get more championship? Sham. I'm not saying you can throw that out there. But once again, by the end of this podcast, you might say there's a reason and some guys that have more of those championships might have just had I don't know, the top five defense

might have had a guy like Jerry Rice. Those circumstances dictate a lot of this conversation. I mentioned both the good and the bad for far and we've done that for a lot of these players. Does is he in this conversation? I mean, clearly he is because we're talking about him, But should he be discussed this way with

some of those turnovers that you made reference to? I think so, God think I think when you when I think about the greatest of all time, I think about you have to when you think about the position, you can't think about the position without thinking about the player. And when I think about the quarterback position, and yeah, we can say what we want to say about Brett father and his personal life and miss Hues Funds, whatever it was you want to say about it, interceptions, all that.

At the end of the day, when you think about the quarterback position in the National Football League, Brett Farve does come across your brain. Uh, you've ever heard of the word entrapment? Okay, I'm actually glad. I wasn't even doing this on purpose, but I just realized that if you not if you didn't give the answer that you just gave. I was going to follow up on a conversation you and I had off their today about Josh Allen.

We're talking about some of the turnovers and you know he's leaving the NFL and takeaways at this point of this record, and you still stand by your guy because of that. Mental's the mentality. And again in my notes, I talked about Brett fav being authentic. His personality was authentic and it showed up in his play. Right. Brett Farve was gonna try you. He was gonna talk trash to warrant sap, he was gonna get in his face there. Yeah,

he was gonna see it tight. He didn't see a window small enough that he didn't think he could get a football through. So I can live with that, And to a back to our conversation with Josh Allen, I can live with it. He fights defensive tackles at practice and in the game. I've seen it with my own two wives jams, So yeah, I can live with a couple of interceptions. Once again, So for anyone who's who's thinking that m Rob talks out of both sides of his mouth, no, he is very consistent in the line

of thinking. All right, still to come, we continue this conversation on quarterbacks. In fact, we'll flip ahead in terms of generational type quarterbacks and give you some stats that once again might have you rethinking who you think is the goats before listening to this entire podcast that's still to come on NFL Explained. All right, welcome back to the NFL Explained podcast. We're talking about goats, in fact, just one goat, and I'm a little undecided on who

that go to the quarterback spot actually is. And I'll let you guys decide by the end of this podcast, because I'm telling you there's a crazy stat coming up a little bit later that totally had me rethinking entire time. I think it's going to shave every show that I do on Total Access as well, because we always talk about these skill position players and what they do. But I'm telling you, I'm telling you the guys on the other side of the field, they're pretty good something. Uh

as far as quarterbacks go. Drew Brees and I think about the numbers, I think about his winning mentality, I think about some of the production here and just how prolific he was when he was playing. Here's some numbers for you. Over eighty thousand passing yards, five hundred and seventy one passing touchdowns, both of those numbers behind Tom Brady. The guy owns five of the fourteen five thousand yard passing seasons of all time. Next player, by the way,

is Tom Brady. Here's the other number for me that is really meaningful. The three highest single season completion percentages in NFL history. Those are Drew Brees seventy four point four per sent in nineteen seventy four point I mean, you were pointing at me when I was saying it. It's crazy. I just want our listeners and viewers to think about that. For three years straight Drew Brees three out of every four passes was complete. Wild. That is

ridiculously crazy. And guys, the defense, defensive backs, everybody, they get paid a lot of money to not allow the wide receivers to catch the football. I mean, that's that is crazy, Yams, It's crazy. What was it about Drew Brees that had him being that successful statistically? I would say accuracy and where you put the football, Because see

Drew Brees, I wouldn't sit here, and I don't. I don't think anybody would say Drew Brees had the strongest arm right, but his ability to fit the ball in the tight windows right with anticipation in timing, and it's a catchable ball. Like so everybody knows I'm Bills Mafia

right now. I love Josh Allen. And even when I talked to Josh, like the conversations I've had with him, I'm like, Josh sometimes, bro, when you throw that thing, man, especially as a running back, when I do my punching pivot and I turned around over the football, you're throwing smokers man that that knows that that football is down and to complete a reception. Yes, there's a throw part to it, but the other part is me being able

to catch it. And the nose is always down. With Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, oftentimes the nose is a little bit then because they're driving the football right. Drew Brees, the nose stayed up and it allows the receiver to snatch it out of the air right and be able to do kind of what he wants to do with it. To me, I'm not so sure there's been another quarterback

better at ball placement. And accuracy, and if you can put the ball where you need to put it um where the receiver can go, that means you're processing information at a very high level. That's to me, that was Drew Brees' superpower, his accuracy, his ball placement, and his ability to process things. I mean, there's oftentimes on Drew Brees second step. So for all my quarterbacks out there, the first step is your power step to get away

from your understanding. Your second step is another power step to kind of continue to drive away. By the second step, Drew Brees oftentimes knew where he was going with the football, and the defense hadn't always said itself by that time, but Drew Brees knew what they were doing before often times they knew what they were doing. Again, I don't know if there's been another quarterback on that, you know, to his level of doing it, throwing the ball, ball

placement and obviously processing data. How many Super Bowls though one? Yeah, that's the thing for me. You just said something. We highlighted the accuracy for Drew Brees. I would imagine you felt like when you were playing quarterback, you could hit any mark anywhere. I would imagine every other quarterback in the NFL. When they hear accuracy, They're like, are you kidding me? I could hit like a quarter You want to throw a quarter down the football field, I'll hit that.

Damn le gonna stop you right there. I agree with that. I believe every single quarterback or everybody who's played quarterback says that publicly. Yes, I'm I'm real, Mike robbed Um okay, And when I got to the National Football League, I remember calling my brother, was one of my biggest fans, and my dude one of my best friends, and I'm saying, Bro, I don't know if I could have played quarterback in this league. The accuracy and ball placement is on point.

And I used to always remember I used to always have to think about where that ball was gonna go in it, but went until, you know, later on in my last year playing, and I was really feeling good about it, where the ball was just coming out, just throw it. I wasn't aiming. I wasn't aiming, and the great quarterbacks just do that naturally. It's just what it was. But to your point, yeah, every quarterback will say that out loud, but what are they saying to themselves? And

I believe. Quarterbacks will say they can hit every part on the football field, but do they really know if they can't. No, I don't think they do. That's good.

I just I kind of wanted to hear that because I heard we gave the numbers for for Drew Brees, and yet I'm going through a short list of the greatest quarterbacks that have played in this game, and I think it is important to highlight those numbers in particular, because I think all these guys can say because it's frustrating at times when we get closer to the NFL Draft and you hear the same phrases like pinpoint accuracy or you know, a guy can make every throw on

the football field, And in my mind, I'm like, all right, I bet that guy believes it, But how come they're not all doing it? Well, a lot of those buzz words come up because not everybody watches Tate, no doubt, and so what happens is you see one guy saying that, people start started falling back to that stuff. That's why I always say, even talk producers here, I can't talk about the Gunless. I've seen him on tape, ye know.

And I remember when Justin Herbert was coming out and people were talking about a lack of accuracy for him because the numbers were raw. And if you I just happened to know this, because you know, I was obviously covering him when he was in college. He had like one season the team had tracked it. I think it was like forty five drops. I mean it was something unwowable. And how many times I watched the game to your point, watching the film going, you know that that throw couldn't

have been better, and that guy football exactly. So sometimes those numbers are a little skewed. But the point is all these guys are super talented. But the next guy on our list is I think a real contender for the goat spot. That's Peyton Manning different facet of the game. Here across the board what he I could see it? Man, how about you just take this man? It was a badman.

Oh he was all right here here the numbers here, five NFL MVP awards most of all time, three second place finishes, seven time First Team All Pro That ties the most by any quarterback autogram the other guy. Two Super Bowl wins and a Super Bowl m v P. Those some of the statistics and some of the numbers there quantified for me. So yeah, yeah, I wentn't alive when every single quarterback let's play in the National Football

League has went through. I used my favorite quarterback of all time before I experienced Peg Manning was Joe nam Right, And no, I wasn't alive when Joe named was on the side. I was doing this thing. But when I watched the tape and I watched film of him was calling his own plays and then he would put on

a fur coat on the sideline. Man, you know, I just thought that was so cool, and I'm like, damn, how can that dude just be wearing for Coco out party in the night before, call his own plays understand the game that much when he can do that. So that's why I rolled with Joe Namath and then I encounter Paid Manning. Okay, so Yeams, he's the greatest quarterback of all time in my opinion. He's the greatest quarterback of all time in my opinion. Okay, this is so

much here. First of all, immediately when he got the National Football League, he didn't look overwhelm. Yes, he had the interceptions were there, but he looked like he could operate in the National Football Last whatever football player wants to know man. Like I used to tell you on a previous episode, I would call home, man, how did I look? Man? Forget my numbers? Did I look like a kid out there? Did I look like a grown man I was supposed to be out there? He looked

the part that's number one. And he basically developed an offense like for real. And I say that because I was in college when um, you know, it was kind of early in his career in two thousand two, two three, two thousand four. And I remember our coaching staff because coach Carlwell used to be at Penn State, and our coaching staff we would go to Indy to see the

passing principles and things that they were doing. And and what he did was he married some some real cool passing principles to the outside zone, stretched play and all those things. He was able to kind of operate everything at the line of scrimmage. He really didn't necessarily need the guy calling plays from the sil and he needed the information and the input from the guys and stuff from the booth. But he was the maestro. He was

handling it all at the line of scrimmage. I think the Denver Broncos thought that's what they were getting with Russell Wilson, a guy who was gonna bring them a playbook. See, I knew Adam Gates out of Gates with my guy San Francisco. Adam Gates used to be the office coordinator for Peyton Manning when he was in Denver. And Adam told me, Mike, when Peyton got there, when he was choosing the team, he sat me down and taught me his offense and what we we're gonna run. Think about

what I'm saying. Your offensive coordinators paid to be there, the top brain on the offense. And he said, no, Bro, I'm you know, I'm going on my team search. I'm going around and see what teams I want to go to. I want to make sure the front office straight. Don't worry about the offense. I'll teach coordinated offense. That was his thing, and I want to make sure my defense is straight. She went to Denver and he sat down and talked a whole plate. But to them, okay, think

about that. To me, that is amazing. That's on that Joe naming thing where I can go out the night before and they come out of the tall place. That's why you see my training and thought. You see my thinking. Okay, he did it with multiple teams. He did it with Indy, a right broke bunt records at all that, and then he did it with the Denver Broncos. And I was the best offensive season that our game has ever seen. It. Of course, it ended in defeat to my Seattle Seahawks.

When I was in San Francisco, Yams, we played the Indianapolis Coats. I was a returner. I got tripped up. I'm gonna score a touchdown that game. Anyway. We were down by two obe three. That's that's in consequence. He got the ball on his own, like seven or eight yard line, eight minutes left in the game. Yams. We're on the side line saying, Bro, we've been to win this thing. We're gonna get the ball back. He gonna put it to his names. I'm telling man, we're gonna

take this thing back. Bro, We're gonna do this. We're gonna do that. Alex Smith gonna throw me a rail route down the We're gonna win this game, Yams. That excitement turned into me taking a knee mad as Peyton Manning is taking a knee on our four yard line. Game over. He held the ball for eight and a half minutes and we didn't touch the ball again. We were we were moving the ball in their defense, but he had to wear with all to say, you know what,

y'all ain't gonna touch the fielding. He made sure he hiked the ball with one second on the clock every single time, and he managed the entire damn thing. I remember watching our coaches on the sideline like it's nothing we can do, there is nothing we can do. Oh and then one last thing. I'm sorry, Peyton Man's best quarterback of all time in my pain after we beat the hell out him in the Super Bowl. Okay, this dude,

I sat there and watched him. He waited for every single one of us to finish our press conferences, all of us. You know, I wo wasn't a quarterback, so I'm a fullback. I got a little table, you know what I'm saying. He waited for all of us to finish, shook every last one of our hands, every last one. I'm telling all fifty three guys that we could be available for the game. He made sure he made a connection with every single one of them. And then the man took a picture with my mama. Okay, why he's

in the middle of bit defeated. Okay, I ain't never seen nothing like it, So YEAHMS. The only thing that stopped to me, that stop Peyton Manning from getting even more Super Bowls was the fact that he physically couldn't do it anymore. Towards at the end, he was as healthy as the Tom Brady was. I think he would get it. If he had a coach, a defensive guy like Bill Belichick, I think he would have more. But at the end of the day, he took two teams.

He'd been to Pro Bowl with two different teams. It was an All Pro with two different He took multiple guys, he elevated multiple guys, and he had his own offense. For that, I give him the best quarterback of all time. Alright, just for clarification purposes, Yeah, I just want to be clear A lot no know. What you said about teaching his offense like Landin in Denver sounds amazing. I just

want to be clear here. The other guys that we've been talking about so far and the guys that we will be talking about on this podcast, he don't do that can't do that. I'm not saying they can't, right, they just didn't do it. They haven't done it, okay, And all I'm saying is jail. Are there some nuances about the Mike McCarthy offense that are strictly tailor to Aaron Rodgers? Absolutely? Are there some nuances of offense that are strictly tailored to the Mahomes of the world and

the app slutely, but um. When Tom Brady was looking for when he was a free agent, he was looking for a team to go to. When I heard the Tampa Bay Buccaneers general manager when he talked about him, he was like, it was almost like Tom was trying to get us to pick him. Right. It was almost like, Wow, I didn't know that I would get that type of Tom was looking for offense that fit him, and yes, he had some passing principles that he would add to it.

But he won't bring an offense. He won't say, Oh no, I don't matter. I'm gonna sit there and teach you about what I did up in here and this is what we're gonna do. No Bomban Leftwich and Bruce Areans had to come together and have that play. Okay, I'm glad you bring that up here. Last point here before we get to Tom Brady, who's coming up next year. We mentioned Drew Brees indoor versus outdoor played most of his career indoor. I just want to throw this out there.

The numbers generally speaking are skewed better production indoor for Drew Brees. I say that for Peyton Manning as a comparison, the numbers generally equal indoor versus outdoor, which I think is it speaks to your point, it doesn't matter the venue. I know people talk about Peyton playing in the cold, oh yeah. And then on top of that, he played in a f C. Who do you have to go through? You had to go through the Times and the Bill Belichicks and he had to go through that guard every

single year. Alright. So once he had the leader in the clubhouse on all this stuff, Like when I saw we were going to do this episode, I'm like, oh, all right, this is gonna be like the Tom Brady to the Goat episode. This section is okay, uh Brady, and the number like, are you serious? Some of this stuff is just it's it's crazy. Here. I'll just go

through some of these wins. Entering the playoffs, Brady thirty five wins uh three more wins which he may or may not get next season, depending on what he decides. More playoff wins than any NFL franchise, Just crazy, except for the Patriots, who has the most with thirty seven. Here are some of the individual numbers. Eighty nine thou passing yards a little over that, sixty nine passing touchdowns, seven super Bowl wins, ten super Bowl appearances, all of

those numbers, by the way, most all time. Three NFL MVP Awards tied for the third best with Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers still to come, by the way, only five times super Bowl m v P and NFL history. When I say that there is a long freaking list in front of me, it's a long list. I will stop there and let you explain what's the most special thing

about Brady is. Maybe the answer is longevity. But there's a reason why you called him the greatest winner, and I think it speaks to the Super Bowls that I made reference to. But you hedge on calling him the greatest quarterback of all time. Yeah, Um, he is the greatest winner our game has ever seen. He is the greatest force multiplier at the quarterback position that this game

has ever seen. And I can make arguments that those first two or three Super Bowls were kind of one off the defensive Proud was, running game prow was or whatever before Brady kind of figured out this greatness about him. You know, I figured out what made him himself. Right. Um, the numbers that you just talked about, to me that not only is a testament to the teams that he's played on and his ability as football ability, but yeah, it's the longevity. Man with three seasons. Nobody does that.

That wasn't even the thing. He's playing alongside guys that weren't even born when he first started playing. Um, in the in the National Football and I started playing football, But in the NFL when he first started playing, they weren't even born. And again, being the greatest winner is a bad thing. And I don't want it just to seem like I'm knocking Tom Brady or anything like that. I just think that when I compare him, I'm talking about the quarterback position and the demands and things that

are associated with the quarterback position. I just put him a little bit of a notcher two behind Peyton Manning the attention Siper Bowl appearances, by the way, twice as many as any other quarterback in NFL history. The Super Bowl completions two and seventy seven the season. Yeah, he's got more completions in the Super Bowl than any other player has attempts paint Manning by the way times it's crazy, man And again, like, I don't know if we're gonna

see another quarterback played this long. I mean just simply because I do think that you know when the quarterback because they make so much money. When you look in your bank account, you gotta hunt in fifty million dollars. Is hard to get up and go to work. You know, I'm gonna get hit up and beat up on every day. But I don't know if we'll see a guy played this long again. My guess is probably no. You can make the argument yes because of nutrition and training and

all that stuff. But I think about some of the younger guys and what this position is like. Think about Brady's not running around here. We talked about the evolution of some of these offenses. These dudes are expected to take off these younger quarterbacks. I think to me, that screams what we've witnessed even if it's not done, and hopefully he keeps on playing. And I don't know if it's gonna be with Tampa Bay or not. Hopefully hopefully he does because I like watching them out there. But

I don't think we'll ever see this. Well, I might get in trouble with saying this, but I think Brady is the last of the dying breed of the statute quarterback. And again, I'm not saying that you have to have a runaround guy, but he has to be dynamic. He has to be able to be Joe Burrow whisk right, avoid a little bit of a pressure kind of scramble for five or ten yards to get the first down.

You have to be able to challenge the defense. Then, all right, still to come here on NFL explained, I got two more quarterbacks to dissect with you, and maybe they'll make some of our listeners goat list. We'll do that coming up next. All right, I'm rob we are all about the quarterbacks and the greatest of all time.

I got two more names for you, and then we can although you already said to Painton Manning, so I'll just gonna pick a little bit later here, Brett far I've talked about the numbers, and I said we would talk about Aaron Rodgers hard not to four NFL MVP awards, second behind your guy in Peyton Manning. Fifty nine thousand passing yards, that's in the top ten, seventy five passing touchdowns, that's fifth all time. Yes, he's got the Super Bowl and a Super Bowl ring. To me, what I think

is really cool. Fewest interceptions of any player with at least three hundred and fifty passing touchdowns. The next closest Mattie Ice, Matt Ryan. You know, I think if you ask a Green Bay fan, maybe they'll say Aaron Rodgers the greatest of all time. There's some things when I watch him play that just this even mentality, that Tom Brady kind of effect. I always think that's really impressive.

I don't know if there's ever been a quarterback, and maybe you just disagree with me because I know it's Peyton Manning, but when I watched them play, it always looks so freaking easy. It the game looks easier to me to Aaron Rodgers than any quarterback I've ever seen play. Yeah, he may have one of the top armed talents and guys I want to When I say armed talent, I mean being able to throw from different arm angles, having the big arm to be able to push it down field.

We've seen all the hill Mary's from an Aaron Rodgers, the accuracy, ball placement, all of those. That's what I'm talking about when I say armed talent and Aaron Rodgers. There isn't an arm angle. There isn't a past. There isn't a defender who can get their arms in the way to stop Aaron Rodgers from completing the past if he's trying to do that. I mean, there's a lot

to say a part Aaron Rodgers. I think sometimes he doesn't get put into the Greatest of All Time conversation just based off of kind of some of his recent things with the media, you know, retiring and not retlying, all those types of things. But uh, to only have a hundred five interceptions through as many years as he's played and as many times if they've thrown the football as many times if they've lived in Green Bay, of moving the offense just through his arm, that's pretty impressive.

And yeah, you can't have the go conversation without talking about Aaron Rodgers as well. I will say this though, MS I believe when I modern on it, I mean like this generation, the Patrick Mahomes, the Josh Allen's, the those guys. I do believe this generation is heavily influenced about Aaron Rodgers. You can see his game in all of them. You mentioned Patrick Mahomes. He's the guy that we're gonna talk about here. He's twenty seven years old.

He's not in the goat conversation right now, quite honestly, just because of his age. He hasn't done there. But he's on his way. He's already got an m VP Award, he's got a Super Bowl win, he's been a Super Bowl m v P. I'm not even gonna get into the numbers because they're not necessarily going to compare because he hasn't played long enough here. But we talked about

the magic of Mahomes. He's one of the special players that this league has of this generation here, right, Like we've heard Brady and Rogers say, hey, that next group, it's pretty damn good, and my Homes is there. If I said to you in ten years you and I are still working together, knock on alright, that's glass, But knock on wood, we're still working together. We're doing this podcast, we do another one of these versions. Is Patrick Mahomes

going to be the goat? Mm hmm if Andy Reid stays around for that long too, Yeah, I think I don't think it'll be a question. I mean, the rate at which he's putting up these numbers, the growth in his game. I've seen him gone from you know, not being able to just check the ball down to now you know, they're functioning. Right, they're being very efficient as an offense, and he's hitting the right receiver almost every

single time. Right. But I will say this, it's tough to anticipate the huge numbers again if he doesn't have Andy Rey. And I can't wait to see him in the playoffs without Tyrikill. I want to see that because tyri Kill is one of those special players as well. Okay, you bring the players perspective, like the guy who actually did it on the field. I just bring the talking deal and the numbers from a math perspective. I didn't even crunch these numbers. I love how I'm taking credit

for crunching projection numbers. Whatever. But how about this. Our our crew is amazing. They actually did some of the numbers for us based on projections five years as a starting quarterback thus far and what we could see. So, if my Homes plays thirteen more seasons, which would put him at forty By the way, the numbers project out to eighties six thousand, five hundred passing yards and six eight six passing touchdowns, it's fewer passing yards than Brady,

but more touchdowns. If my Homes places fifteen more seasons, that put him at forty two. Come on, now, this is just crazy town. The numbers nine thousand passing yards, seven hundred and sixty two passing touchdowns, that would be almost seven thousand more yards than Brady and a hundred and third team war touchdowns. So it does give you some context on the trajectory of his career. Um, did

they crunch his bank account to how much? Did he make three billion through fifteen years after all of that too? I mean jeez, But yeah again, if Andy Reid Eric being of those play callers are there, man, uh yeah, this run can go for a long time. Alright. One more thing, actually two more things for context here that I want to position for people listening to this podcast. We always do. It's talk radio. I spent a long time my career doing talk radio. Like I get it,

Like summertime comes around, you need some topics. So greatest of all time you have all these debates here. The generational thing is it's hard to compare across generations. Our team try to build out some stats that compare some of these guys within a generation to see how much better they were than their peers. From twenty two, the average passing yards in a game was two hundred and

thirty and a half. Patrick Mahomes average three hundred three yards a game over that span, so that's almost seventy three yards over the average. Drew Brees by the way, fifty seven yards over the average, Peyton Manning fifty four yards over the average, Damn Marino almost fifty eight point eight, Brady forty four over the average, Rogers thirty over the average, Far nine over the average, and then Joe Montana ten over the average, and Rob I got one more for you,

a completion percentage over NFL average in their career. Joe Montana when he was playing in his era, the average NFL completion percentage was fifty. He was at sixty three so his average percentage was plus seven point two. Breeze, he was plus six point three, Manning a little over five, fare of a little over three. Rodgers was at three, Marino at two point eight, Brady at two point eight,

and my Homes at two point too. So you found something pretty interesting when you were going through those numbers. The average completion percentage has been going up over time. The QB has been getting better. Yeah, the the QB position has evolved that they've been getting better. Again, you look at that Joe Montana, the NFL average completion percentage right like like that's not that wouldn't be good in today's football. You look at Patrick Mahomes NFL average sixty

almost jumps. So just again, just the quarterback position in the passing game in general is getting better and they're getting coach better as well. All Right, I threw this out there at the top of the show. I continue to mention it, and here's the time. This is the number that really matters the most when it comes to the go. Touched on this a little bit before about Joe Montana the team around him. That is important. Defense, baby,

I'm talking about the defense. We looked at how often each quarterback the ones that we discussed had a top ten defense, and Rob Brady had top ten defenses seventeen times, seven more than Joe Montana, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers only had three and Damn Marino four. So to me, while we can talk about, you know, the statistics, when it comes to what these guys did individually, having a pretty damn good defense, that to me might be the complete differentiator for all this stuff. I think it is

defense was championships. That's an old accident that we always say. But I also think we have to kind of wrap our minds around just like whenever you have And again, some of these quarterbacks, like Tom Brady, when he was first drafted, nobody knew he was gonna be what he was.

But some of these high draft picks or guys that are with these high expectations, these big time physical attributions, oftentimes the teams built around them aren't great because for them to get a chance to get that person, they were the first pick in the draft or whatever, and

the team around them wasn't so good. And so when you look at it, uh like a Tom Brady, it makes sense he was a six round pick so they actually had all the they had to build a team around him because they didn't know he was gonna be that good. But it's pretty good. I didn't know Joe Montana had a top defense ten times. I did not know that, which, by the way, that ten times, that's seventy seven percent of his seasons as a starter he

had a top ten defense. Brady by the way, one percent of his seasons a top ten Defensemo Manning, by the way of the time, Marino God, I feel bad for Dan Rodgers twenty and then Drew Brees the worst. Only fifteen point eight percent of his seasons as a starter he had a top ten defense. Well, Drew Brees probably made money in all these quarterbacks, you know what I'm saying. So again, you're pulling the money putting it to the quarterback. Can't build a team around you. That's

kind of how those things work themselves. Unless he got that TV money too on the back. I'm trying to get some of that TV money, you know what I'm saying. All Right, we'd love to hear from you guys as well. I know we continue to ask for questions on a maw back episod. I'd rather this. If you like this episode, share it on social media. I would love to see some of your guys comments on who do you think

the goat is at that quarterback spot. Can't thank you guys enough for listening, and of course we've got some more episodes down the road of NFL explained