Peanut & Roman on their bromance, dos & don’ts of retirement, the Super Bowl high, Obama jokes

you're trying to sleep with me. If you're going to do all that, like give me something. I just did. That was it? That was my hell, Mary, I didn't do nothing to you. Get that out of it, all right. I just gotta work on it. Thank you all for tuning into this week's episode of the NFL Players Second Acts Podcast. I'm one of the host Peanuts on Men and as always I got my guy with me, the

Deacon Roman Harbor without rolling. What's up, Peanut? And you don't always have me Sometimes I actually go a little bit of a solo act on this thing you do you do? Last week we had Eric Wood, the former Buffalo Bill Center, great dude, amazing man, of Faith. He has his own podcast, really really great dude. And also he gave me a little bit of info, Peanut. He said, you know a Roman right down, three things you're thankful for every morning that you wake up. You know what

I've been. I've implemented this in my life, Peanut. I haven't been a bad thing. How has that been going? It's been going pretty good. The only thing that's bad is that I put it on a dry roy A race board in front of my mirror in my bathroom and it wasn't like dry racepen. So it's kind of been stuck there for like three days now. All right, Well, look how about this? How about all the listeners out there. I want to say personally, thank you, Charles, and I do.

Thank you, Thank you, thank you. Could you continue to spread the word about this podcast, give us, you know, a rating, a review, make sure you hit that follow button as well, and to wherever else you listen to your podcasts at with this Apple podcast, I Heart Radio app or wherever else you listen to make sure you

click subscribe to this podcast. We're gonna keep giving you more and more information, more and more former players talking about they're all second acts and really diving into so much of their uh these former players, great lives to all those listening right now. Um, we don't have any guests today. We're gonna We're gonna it's just gonna be

Roman and I. We're the guests. We're gonna attempt to interview each other one not difficult, but I know a lot about them, so I'm going to try to pill back some of the onion and get him to open up about some things that I possibly don't know. So we're gonna treat this like a normal a normal episode, and Roman I will be interviewing each other us all, man, don't don't be whispering man making it all weird. Bro, It's good. We just I'm not other second acts we have.

We've asked all the questions, we haven't answered any. So I think it's a good time to like kind of dive in. Peanut. Let's do this thing. Bro, you want to so let me, let me give your let me. I'll kick it off at first, like we do with everybody. I gotta reach your resume. So you are second round draft picked out of University of Alabama. Played eleven years in the NFL. He made two Pro Bowls, been in two Super Bowls, you're one in one. UM. You won

the Super Bowl in two thousand nine with the Saints. UH. Recently inducted into the New Orleans Saints Hall of Fame. UH. And now you're a broadcaster with the SEC Network and someone of a professional golfer in your own mind, that is that is one of my goals, is that I just want to make the cut on the Senior Tour, Like that's it. So I got to him like fifty six ext seventy. But and the best thing about making the cut is that there is no cut. So if

I just show up, I'm gonna make the cut. All right, let me read peanuts resume and you ready for this peanut. He played thirteen seasons in the NFL. He was also a two time Pro Bowler and made a first team All Pro in two thousand and twelve. He played in two Super Bowls. He won none. It's okay, all right, it happens. It wasn't his fault in He was the Walter Payton Man of the Year, which is one of the best honors you can get throughout the NFL. Everybody

knows about it. You actually get a special shield on your jersey from that moment on to carry on your legacy. Not everybody has that, so that's a special one right there. He's the creator of the peanut punch. He a k A now is a turnover liaison, I would say, Um, he kind of goes throughout the league and kind of helps teams create turnovers or preaches to them about that. He He's also in the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame. That's really cool. Now he's an international man of mystery

who's done TV. He's had a book written about him, which we have in our house right now for our kids. And he runs the Charles Tilman Cornerstone Foundation. So now that we got that all done, we got some good resumes. Uh. I gotta ask one question though, Yes, something that was on your resume to Super Bowl losses? Which one hurt more? Ah? Probably the second one because I didn't I didn't get

a chance to play in it. And I really think that I'm not gonna say I was a missing piece to us winning super Bowl fifty, but I really think that I think I could have helped, because there's no doubt you could have help, you know what I'm saying. I think I could have. I think I could have helped, and it it hurt more because I wasn't actually on the field. I torm a c L the last game of the season. But if I could do it all over again, I wouldn't I wouldn't change anything, you know,

I was. I partially tord me eight c L. I don't know. Halfway through the season, sat out three weeks and just said, you know what, this is a great team. I'm rolling the dice. I know it's partially torn. It will never heal. I'll have to get it healed or

prepared at one point. I'm an rolling dice. And I'm proud enough to say that I actually played five games with a partially torn a c L in the National Football League and I still held it down, punching out balls, getting interceptions like I still was able to do my job. And I literally put everything on the line for that season for us in Carolina. And great group of guys, great group of men, you and I, uh, just the the entire city of Charlotte. That was a That was

a very special year for myself and my family. You know, it's a good time. It was great. I got to meet your family, for really the first time in that one season that you came here. Our wives hit it off. We're great friends, still continue to be great friends. You know. I remember when you partially tourn your a c L, which there is no partially for all those out there, you can't partially tear a cl like well, you can, but it's a torn a c L. At the end

of the day, you were a true warrior. I couldn't believe that you actually came back and played some games after you had a huge knee brace on and just the fact of, uh, you continue to battle through for that man. It really meant the world to that team, to us as a as a group, and uh, I

got a better understanding of who you are. And I just want the people to know that I didn't think you're gonna say Carolina, but since you did, I just want to put that out there that my man battled through it and nobody knew until it was all dead. And God, why don't we uh tell tell everyone how you and I I feel like this is a date. This feels so weird, but like how because I was gonna say how our relationships started, but that sounds that

sounds so wrong. Our friendship started really literally because we were in the same small group breakout group at p a O, which is this Christian conference where the NFL puts on and well outside the NFL, but it's most the NFL guys. And then we bringing all these speakers

and singing it. It was really great, and all of a sudden, the conversation started opening up, and I knew who you were, but I never got a chance to meet you, and it was really good to just lean on you and lean on some other couples right there, and we started to build a friendship. And and then from there we really didn't talk a lot, and then all of a sudden you became my teammate and we just like hit it off. Were the two older guys

in the room. And the funny thing about it all was that Um Peanut was like the happy, go lucky person I was say in the room, like always joking, kept everything loose. He had the corners, I had the safeties. And that's what we did. And Um and Me and Peanut hung out and became thick at Thieves bro. We hung out all the time. I truly, truly our friendship has only grown since then, and our families as well, Like all our families know each other and they all

hang out and they all get along. It's great, all the kids, everybody. So after that season, I had to call it quitz. Before you get it there, I want to ask you one more thing about this season, and that is that I want I want one or two great stories from that season, because I don't think people understand that that Panthers team was a team that kind of like took the NFL by storm. Uh. They we burst on the scene. We weren't even supposed to be

that good. We weren't that good the year before. We did limp into the playoffs and won a playoff game, but with seven, eight and one and then go up. Uh. We traded for Jared Allen at one point in the season. So we had like this great group of like older guys who really did some cool stuff. And so I want to end it was a funny team. Everybody remembers Cam Newton dabbing, and but we had the whole world

dabbing at one point in time. Tell me like one or two hilarious stories from that season from that locker room, because it's it's plenty to go along. Um, the alligator. Oh, I was gonna say if you didn't bring up that when I was gonna do that one that I still have video of that. So our office of coordinator Mike Mike, he tells us a story about the saving two Dolphins with his old man, Don Shula, and to sum it all up, someone that put an alligator and Don Shula's

uh shower for the seventy two Dolphins. I had that perfect season, right, He tells us the same story. We lose the game we lost to Atlanta, so now we're like thirteen and one or fourteen in one. Excuse me. Everyone got super uptightened, you know, the building, the coaches, the players. So I went out and bought this this fake alligator, and I said, you know what, I'm gonna loosing everybody up. I throw this alligator and Coach Rivera's locker and I get there like five that morning, fast forward.

I'm telling you, and Curtis like, yo, I just put this fake alligator in Rivera's Leachico's locker. Man, it's gonna be hilarious. And all of a sudden, you see Coach Rivera walk around the corner and he's better footing his shirts side he's always got his shirt tucked in. And he comes around the corner looking like Edward James almost from Damn, Stand and Deliver. And he starts walking towards us and he was like, you're here, and I was like, oh,

and I'm not gonna I got scared. It was like you know when your old man tell you something, you get scared, like you in trouble. And I'm I'm at this. I'm thirty four years old. I'm a grown ass man. But I was nervous. And he walks up to me and I was like, I need to lie. Did you put that alligator in my my shower? And I was like, yes, yes, sir, and he was like, God, damn man, that thing scared the hell out of me. No, you should have recorded

that thing. And then he proceeds to tell us he was like, yeah, I got I was finicking in the shower. Was like, I got naked and then I turned the light on and then I go on the shower and I see that thing and he goes. I just screamed and threw my towel on the alligator and I literally just ran out. And then he was like it had to be peanuts and looks man. I still got videos from because that alligator continued to travel along that day and got like three or four other people got Wilkes,

got Josh Norman. I got all those on video. Too bad we didn't get Rivera on tape, but everybody else got got I'm glad you shared that story. But all that being said, Peanut, when did you know it was time to retire? Like, how did you know? I know you were injured your last year? Was it because of the injury? You just like, you know what Super Bowl loss? I can't keep dragging my family here and there? What

was it? Yeah? Um, I definitely the knee the town a c L year, thirty four or A thirteen season. I was thirty four years old, thirty five whatever. There was no way another team was gonna bring me back, so I didn't even attempt to to try. I was already had someone of a bad knee anyway, you know, going into my third team season when I was in Carolina. So it was yeah, I just that was That was when I knew. The thing about retiring, though, is you

never retire when you want to. There's only a group of a few individuals who can retire when they want to. And what I mean by that is, had I not turned my a c L, had I been healthy and we won Super Bowl fifty, no doubt out of retired the people that retire the way they want to, in my opinion, are the ones A lot of the ones they went. You know, ray Lewis is a prime example.

He I think he did it on his own terms. Um, John Elway, John Elway, Peyton Manning, you know what I'm saying, Like that was how I envisioned going out winning a championship, and just like you know what, it took me thirteen years, I finally got one. I'm out and just rot off in the sunset. I wish I would have been able to do that, but unfortunately, Father Tom and injuries, they

play a large role in in this. But what about you, though, when when did you feel you knew it was time to retire because you went on, you went back to New Orleans, um and played another year. Right, Well, I was ready to retire after the Super Bowl in Carolina. I thought we were just gonna win and then I could just you know, right off in the sunset, we me and you're holding hands, just you know, putting the

helmets down together. We were just gonna be out. I didn't want to because I played ten years at that point, I didn't care about much more than that. I thought it was gonna be a perfect ending, and I go out on my own terms, like you said. But then we lost the game. Uh, and I just in my mind, I didn't think God. God was telling me like, Okay,

I don't think this is it for you. And and and UM like I played this game since I've been in the fourth grade, and like a Super Bowl loss has gotta be my last time I'm on the actual field plan on the grass. I didn't. I just that would have been a terrible way to go for me, for as much as I put into this game. So I

kind of just kept working out. Then my former teammate, uh Will Smith got killed that offseason, and so I was back in funeral rules and all that other stuff and being back around the Saints organization for the first time, uh kind of heavily, and uh Sean Payton started talking to me and you know, wondering like what I was gonna do. Did I you know, possibility they be coming back? He had a plan or vision or something. I'm like,

I don't really know. I don't want to go back, and uh but I bet the bullet and I did. And it was the greatest thing for me, just because I got to go back home. I got to re kindled some some great relationships with people back in that building and back in the organization, and because of that, it all turned out the way it was supposed to anyway. So and then I went back Carolina. I mean, I'm sorry, did you leave New Orleans? M yes, I did. I left.

They they had drafted a guy the year before and then they wanted him to start being playing and I was hurt. And so it's not like he really beat me out, you know, he just kind of put him in. And I felt very dispected after giving the organization eight years of everything that you have, and then you know, it is like you said, father time is who it is and people upstairs make decisions and and then they make the move and then I go and you know, beat them three out of four times. In Carolina, we

win the division twice. It was great. It was more of like the biggest like you know, middle finger, Yeah, slap, slap right back, catch you, you know. So, but don't you think when you you play a former team, you have more motivation. Oh thousand percent, you do. I mean you want to be players like, man, I'm gonna show y'all, y'all. Never should have let me go, y'all. Should that gave me the money? Or you should have let me start? Yeah? Um,

But you know that was all part of it. And you know, you learned how to let bigones be biogones at the end of the day and then you just keep it moving. And so being able to go back was really cool, peanup, because you know, it was like the fifth year anniversary for the New Orleans Saints that year, and I was one of like three players that was like on the all fifty team that were still currently playing.

And so, you know, for my parents to get to go down on the field with my wife and my kids and be celebrated, it was really cool because my wife was like, your dad, I've never seen him smile so hard when he was on the field getting getting recognized with all these other great players. So it's really cool to let everybody else do that. Now. I love about our careers. Let's talk about the after of the career.

What kind of happens, Peanut, and that is the transition and so why do you think so many players have such a hard time transitioning from the game, uh once they retire. Um. I know just the other day on p T I Book of my father was saying that he saw the game as a means to an end and said that the money. Once the money didn't make sense for him anymore, it was time to go. So for him it was monetarily. What is that transition period like and why is it so tough? You believe? I

think for everyone that's different. Uh. I think at the same time, for me, I felt like I was institutionalized in the sense of I've been doing it since seventh grade, so I was I had this schedule for so long

and I've been used to that schedule. And then my last play in the NFL was me falling down on like tearing my a c L and that was that was like really difficult, Like Dan, that's literally the last play, and so fast forward you transitioning, Um, I think I struggled in the sense of I just didn't want to be done, Like I still felt like I had more to give, and I was hyper competitive, super competitive. I still wanted to compete. I still wanted to play football

and I couldn't. So my mistake was when I transitioned from league to regular life. Um, I didn't give myself enough time off, no time to decompress. I didn't give myself any time to basically grieve my injury. Yeah, I didn't give myself enough time to just like celebrate my career and just take time and just just kind of come down. I know, for some guys and UM, when they do come back from like overseas, they do a

tour or deployment. And I'm not speaking for everyone who who has been overseas and and and been on UM deployments or whatnot, but from a few guys that I've talked to, they need a little bit of time to decompress, to kind of get adjusted back to the regular world, because your mind is on something else when you're overseas, when you're in the sandbox. But then when you come back here, it's I think people expect you just to be normal and just step back into the step back

into society and and and just be normal. And I think that was what I did. And I should have just taken a step back, meaning take a year off, take six months and just figure out what do I really want to do? What are your passionate? Yeah, and I didn't. I didn't do that because I felt like I just had to keep going and keep going and keep doing things. Why do you? Why do you? Why do you feel like you have to just keep going and keep going and keep going. I'm wired that way,

Like I'm I'm high energy, high sprung. I don't want to sit down. I don't want to sit still. And that was probably my biggest mistake, was like I probably felt like I should have just sat down for or six months to a year or just take just take the season, just take that season off and just just decompressed. Just chill, figure out what you really want to do. Hang out with the wife, hang out with the kids. Uh, be be the stay at home dad. You know, I'm good.

I'm I'm good now. But I think because I was just so go, go, go, go go, it hurt me in a in a lot of ways. And if I could, whoever is listening, that would be my wife. For for someone who played a long career, it's just take yeah, man, take six months and just figure out life and like, all right, now, what's next. I've I've had this amazing career. Now what do I really want to do? And I think that's why I'm I'm envious of you because you actually you actually did that. You took how long did

you take off? Sixty five days to the day, I said, I'm three hundred and sixty five days to the day. Yeah, I did absolutely nothing. Whatever I didn't do. I wanted to do something that day and I didn't get it done. Just do the next day. It's okay. That was literally my but I've never been like that though, you know, And that's that's why it was hard. It was hard, but I promised myself this is what I wanted to do. And I had people ask me, why don't you try

and do this? Why don't you do this? And I'm like, I'm taking through in sixty five days and do nothing. But the person that gave me that vice was the GM of the New Orleans Saints, Mickey Loomis. He told me that he said, before you do anything, room man, you need to make sure you take time. You need to decompress, like get away, like don't do anything, especially if you can afford to take the time, don't do anything.

So what I what I really want to get to is um one of the old school savvy, that's the wisdom that you have, very knowledgeable about the game of football. Why the hell do you get in the TV instead of coaching? UM, Well, that means I get to share with more people. I honestly, UM, you know as a coach. Um, my dad's a coach, So coaches in my blood. I

don't deny that. And I know I could be a good coach, but I don't want to give continue to give football my all, my whole, my whole heart and my emotions because I know what it takes to win, and I know you got to be all in and I know when I lose what I'm like. I'm not always pleasant. I understand them. I'm not perfect. But for me, just to be able to talk the game has been so much more pleasant because I get to be around the game all the time, especially being and you know,

working with the SEC network. I'm I'm talking college football all the time, and so college is just a gateway to the NFL, and you know, I get to be around the game, I get to travel on the weekends. I got an awesome gig with the network, and it's been really cool. But I always believe that the media was the enemy. Like that's what I was taught. You know, you gotta be careful what you say to the me.

You gotta be careful with what you give them, because they're going to change it and put it in twisted however they want to, and that's not who you want to be with. They were like the dark side, and now I'm part of the dark side. So it's a little Some of them are evil, I know most of them are not evil. Most most of them are not evil. I will apologize to all those reporters. But when you're a young twenty two year old in the league, you're you're taught like they are the enemy. They stay away,

don't tell him nothing. As I got older, I got to know a few of a few media personnel in Chicago, and it was like this person had my number and like I could give them an interview but it was real and they could critique me professionally and it didn't make it personal or anything like that. But there was there's there's a few people that are in it for themselves.

My only thing is that I can be critical. But as long as I'm I'm fair, right, I'm fair and I'm honest, and as long as I tells up from what my I see, then like, how can you be mad? Fans take it personal, but players and coaches don't. There's just so much better about all that. We got something in common with Louisiana, right. I went to school there, you played there professionally, and recently I got inducted to the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame, and then you got

inducted into the Saints Hall of Fame. I was mad that I didn't actually get a ticket to the to the event because I wanted to see you at the event. I went to the I went to the party that you had, and it was dope. Had an amazing time, amazing I held your son the whole night. I put him to sleep. I just rocked him to sleep. Um, tell me about that night. Tell me about that experience, dude.

It was cool, And the best thing about it was that it was a celebration of me and that all my accomplishments and that I actually felt appreciated by the organization that turned their back on me. And then I got to come back three years later and kind of let bygones be bygones and then all of a sudden and they give you your flowers, right, And so I was very appreciative that that I got to go in

while I'm still um here. Also, my kids get a little bit older and they actually understand it and they appreciate it, and they actually really really thought it was cool. Like my son, for my older son, for the first time, I was like, Dad, you're like good to him. I'm just bad because he never got to see me play ball. But he was like, man, you were like good at that, Like that's really cool. Like so I actually appreciated that. I appreciate that I got to take a picture with

even soul because he was just born. He was a baby, but he was still there and so I got this picture and so I have this memory. And for me, it was more important to thank those and to be proud and talk about those that actually put an invested into roman Um. But for me, it was more of a celebration by my parents, my wife, and my kids, my family, and really talking about all that they meant to me and that I wanted to celebrate them in this time when everybody wanted to celebrate me. So for me,

that's what it was about. Peanut, and uh, it's really special. I got some pictures from it. But other than that, dude, it was just good to have another party with my homies. I mean, Chicago needs to do theirs right, bros. And then you can get yours too, and hopefully you'll be in the Hall of Fame and I get to go there to canon with you and celebrate you and yours.

So that that's all I care about, bro. It's just you know, the relationships of this game allows us to have is way more important than any play, any tackle, any interception that you'll ever remember, because those are the things that you carry with you, like you can take the game ball, but it's just on the wall. It's just yeah, yeah, no doubt. Well, look, we gotta we gotta pay some bills and when we come back, we'll

come back with some quicker questions, Peanut. Two part question for you, what trade do you believe best defined you as a player in the NFL. The other part of it is what trade best defines you? Now? Is it the same trade or is it a different trade? I would say, uh my, my superpower or trade would be manifestation. Okay, we could go ahead, I could whatever, whatever I thought, whatever I could think of or dream or whateverever goal

I would set, I obtained it. If it was something that I truly and I truly wanted, whether it be a Pro Bowl, you know, something individual based that I could, um make it happen. I could make it happen. And for the most part, all individual goals. You know, I wanted to get a master's degree. I wanted to graduate in three and a half years. I wanted to get drafted on the first day. I wanted to run a four or four or forty. I wanted to make a

Pro Bowl. I wanted to be all first Team, All Pro I wanted all all these things that I told myself I would manifestate this thing and my my goals in my brain, and I obtained them. You know, so I gotta I got a silly, silly, silly question for you. When did you start developing gray hair? Um? In eighth grade, I got my first gray hair. According to my barber. Um he told me. Um he was cutting my hair, was like, dude, you got a gray hair up here in the back. And I was like, how, there's no way.

He's like, oh yeah, I'm telling you. I'm up here it's gray. I was like, well, are you gonna pull it out or something like you gotta get rid of it? Right. He's like, no, no, no, I heard that's bad luck. Like if you do that, like two or three more come. So I was like, all right, we'll just you know, don't worry about it. Like it's just one of them. And they've literally been coming in ever since then. So whatever it is, and what thirteen fourteen gray hair? And

so that's why I've never died it. I won't do it because everybody that knows me since eighth and ninth grade have known me with gray hair or a little bit of gray hair, and I don't I never wanted them to be like, oh Roman made it. Oh he changed when I when I met you, when I met you with p A O, I thought you were the thirteen years. I was like, wait, he you look like Obama. You look like President Obama after one term. So the funny thing is is that, so you know, you win

the super Bowl, this is another little great story. We gotta get this in real quick. So because you bring up Obama, we win the super Bowl? All right? When the super Bowl Obama comes up to me, it's like hey, um, he taps me up. He's like, oh, you must be the old guy on the team. I'm like, everybody in the room dies laughing because I was just my fourth year in the league, bro and he was like, oh, you must be the old guy on the team. Like, okay, man,

I see you. I'm like, no, not at all, Like not at all, sir, sir, I don't think you've ever told me that. Literally, the whole room died laughing. So then he keeps walking shaking guy's hand. He meets one of my guys, Remy a Adele, who had like this crazy mohawk, like straight mohawk straight up, and he was like, hey,

at least you ain't got this guy's haircut. I was like yeah, I said, yeah, you know, you kind of looking like me though, you know, I mean real talk because he's started going real great at that time too. So hey, look, man, I felt cool because Brock said more to me than he said to anybody else. All right, I got another one for you. Earlier this season we did uh sit down and was on the podcast was Thomas Q. Jones. And so he thinks he deserves a lot more credit. I think he deserves all the credit

for you perfecting the peanut punch. Uh you know, he said you would just constantly chase him down. It was all these other things. We got some video. I want to pull up the video for it. I want you to take a listen and then tell me what you think. All right, I think some of the peanuts punch. I deserved some of the credit for that because because I have uh actually I have nerve damage in my both of my elbows because he him punching the ball out

of my arms and bract this every day, chasing me down. Um. You know. So he practiced a lot of that peanut punch on me and irritated me a lot. But he also helped me make sure I'm holding them to the ball. So we helped each other. Yeah, he's not lying. I think he and every other offensive person on the Bears Carolina as well, they helped me perfect that peanut punch. It was something that I don't know. I was just

thinking outside the box, trying to be different. You know, I wasn't the big guy to hit you to separate you from the ball. I'm gonna just punch it out my very first NFL game, Um, I gotta I gotta peanut punch. I forced a fumble. It was something that I was I was intentional about doing it all the time. It was just I thought about it. It was on my mind. It was get the ball out, get the ball out. It was respect for your head coach to literally walk over to him like, hey, I need you

to get the ball back right out. We gotta win this game. Also another way to say, like Sean Payton when we were in New Orleans literally playing against Chicago Bears, He's like, look, guys, this week, no yack. I don't need anybody getting any extra yards. This guy, Peanut Tillman, I don't want to see the ball in the ground. I don't want to see it. And you still got the ball out. So it was like, yeah, it's still got the ball out. So it just was one of

those things. It irritated a lot of people. Peanut, I got one more question and then I'm gonna be done with you. Then you can ask me question if you want to. When Charles Peanut Tilman is an old, krusty Ashley knuckle having guy, what would you like people to say about Peanut Tilman's football career? I would like them to say that Charles Peanut Tillman was a guy who didn't talk a whole lot. He didn't give the greatest speeches, but he came to work every day with his helmet

and his lunch and he just worked. You know. He wasn't the biggest, he wasn't the fastest. He was an underdog in life, and he always came out on top because he put the work in. He loved his teammates, would do anything for his teammates because that's that's to me, that's what this game is about. This is about team and family. I would I would, I would hope people would just say he was the ultimate team player. The same to you when you're bald, because you're already old

and crusty. What are people gonna say about? What are people gonna say about Roman Harbor? Um? For me? Um, what I would love for him to say is that, um, that I was a prose pro that you know, I was constantly doing the little things right. I studied, I worked hard, um, and that if I was a pro, Like, that's the ultimate compliment for me is that, man, he was a real pro. He was a dude. Um, And I'm fine with that, you know how we do the Mount Rushmore in in in the past, who's on your

who's on your personal Mount Rushmore. Well, I gotta put my dad up there because he was the first one to wear number forty one and uh and I didn't even know that. And he's just a great dude. We've become so much closer as we've both gotten older. Uh, just because I'm no longer just like his little son. Um. You know now he looks at me like a man with responsibility. Um. And I can't have my dad up

there without my mom um. And then probably my wife because she's been my biggest fan, she's my hardest critic. And then I would probably say it would be unfair to put one of my coaches up there without the others. Coach Clark, my high school coach, means the absolute world to me. But I would just pick the University of Alabama up there instead because I'm so roll tied through and through, like that's where I'm from, that's the state I'm at, like it just it means so much to me.

So it's all in my background right now. Uh So I would say those to be my four mom, dad, my wife, and the University of Alabama. Okay, I was doing, did you tell me your personal your mount um? My dad And I'm not I swear I'm not copying you. But my dad was my pops. My pops was in the military, and as a kid, I thought my dad was rollblocked from g I Joe, you know what I'm saying. I just thought it was the coolest thing him being

in the army and us moving overseas. So my my pops was my My pops was my hero, still is to this day. Love them to death. My mom for her caring and loving personality and just I'm a mama's boy, and she she kind of gave me that grit. So those are two. I'd say number three would be a good friend of mine named John Right great mentor taught me a lot about the whole mental toughness. I think the last one is Jackie, I would say, because I think she's challenged me in so many ways that I

didn't know. And when I played, she would, you know, she would send me these texts and it would just say, be amazing. And I don't think I really noticed how powerful those were until I stopped getting them, because I stopped playing the biggest critic didn't always want to hear it, but they're right. She was right, she is right, and yeah, the biggest, biggest critic. And I would say her and yeah. That being said, we talk a lot offline. I think I know what this will be, but I want you

to fill in the blank with this one. Right now, my life is blank, I would say a blessing. And it's really it's really truly because, um, you know, I'm a daddy, daycare guy. You know me in my opinion, bro, I'm top three, top five dad in the country, like and right now, not having football, I'm all in on being a basketball dad. I take pride enjoying that every

single day. Um. I love picking my kids up, I love being involved, and uh, all I'm trying to do is just be the best version of myself every day. I don't worry. I don't blame myself for all the mess ups anymore. So that's what I would say, Man, my life is a blessing. I would ask the same thing your life, Peanut. Tilman's life today is I'm comfortable. Um, I don't always know if that's a good thing. No, it's because I'm I'm growing, I'm involving um, you're learning

to be comfortable? Is that what you're saying that, which is no, No, I'm comfortable now, I'm I'm I'm I'm comfortable in the in the space that I'm in. Well, I like that because for a long time you're a rat racing it. You don't know if you're trying to do this, you're trying to do that, you're changing these things, and for you to say that I'm comfortable is a good thing. It's a good thing. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

All right, We're good comfortable. Well, Peanut, thanks, thank you for having me and uh, thank you for coming on to my podcast and let me interview you. So I appreciate it. Thank you to all the listeners out there with me and Peanut. Probably went a little long. Hopefully we can edit this thing down. If can't, who cares, tune in next week it will be even better, all right. I want to ask you guys to spread the word talk, tell a friend to tell a friend to tell another

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