Alright, Uh, Peter, you can get us going and a minute once I get out of here. No music, so you can just um just start the top. Yeah, because that music intro was a disaster for me last time. I was like, I had no rhythm. No, I have no flub. I got rhythm. It just I didn't hear him right when it beat drop, I was like, all right, whatever, alright, I'm gonna hit it in five four, three to one. Welcome to the NFL Players Second Acts Podcast. I'm Peena Tillman and I got my guy Roman Harper with me.
What's going on wrong? Oh? Man, I'm living my dream up here in Chicago. My wife has a marathon coming up, our first as a family, so we're not seven inches doing all of it by herself. So I'm looking forward to cheering her own brother. It's gonna be a great time. And I got working between. It's good though, all right, it's cool. Yeah. So this show was about players and their poll NFL careers and what they're doing right now.
And today we have a very special guest. Uh. This guy played thirteen years in NFL, played in two Super Bowls. He's a former All Pro left tackle and in one, he was inducted to the Philadelphia Eagles Ring of Honor. Y'all show some love for John run yet ye another day in the ground, you know what I mean, another day in the grind. So you're an interesting player because you retired back in two thousand nine, and unlike Roman and myself, you kind of got into something like really really,
really cool. So when did you know you wanted to get into politics. It literally fell into my lap. You know. It was one of those things where at the end of the other eight season, my knee kind of fell apart, if you will, and it was it was a progressive thing, and you know, it went from you know, B sides to an mc l and then meniscus issues, and it
was coming up on the end of my contract. Actually in O eight playing in Philly, we lost to the Cardinals in the NFC Championship game and contract expired and I had a knee injury, and I was in my mid thirties, and I'm like, it's over, you know, And you know, being the competitor that I am, people told me, being in your mid thirties, you can't recover from a microfracture surgery in your knee. And I'm like, oh, really, I watched this and it was it was really that.
So I went through I had surgery probably into January, so January two thousand nine, and started started chipping away at that and you know about I tried to get back on a couple of clubs early that the two
thousand nine season didn't really pan out. And late September I got approached by of mine that were actually in state government that I've known, you know, our kids went to school together and all that kind of stuff, and they actually have asked if you have ever considered about running for office, and I'm like, you know what, I've never taking a political science course of my life, don't
you know. You guys know you don't talk politics in the locker room because it just people, and you know, it was just that just didn't really have you know, a political Frankly, at the time, I wasn't even registered. You know. I ran as a Republican, but I was I was an independent, you know, and never affiliated with a party or anything. So obviously if I went on the Republican ticket, and you know, I had to go over there and register with them and do that kind
of stuff. The odd thing was, you know, So that was in October. I wasn't picked up by a team, and probably right right around election day, so probably right around this time of year. It was probably three or four days after election Day, so basically next week. From the point we're talking right now, I committed to it, but I told them I goes if I had the opportunity to get on a club and get my four
games in and get another accredited season. Yeah, and we happened to be lucky enough to go to the Super Bowl. I go, I'll be back from February. I did the same thing. So that's really what happened. So it was like there was, uh, the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, someone went down with the San Diego Chargers and I got called and two days later I fly from New Jersey all the way out to California and I'm out there for two months, you know, helping the Chargers do a playoff run.
Ultimately ended up losing in the second round of the playoffs that year. But you know, I got those four games in. Hold on, John, so I can hold on hold on because I didn't I don't think I knew all of this. This is amazing. So first of all, I had the same story where, you know, micro fracture mid thirties. Everybody said you can't do it. I didn't do the surgery. Hats off to you for doing the
surgery and being able to battle back for that. People don't understand, Michael, fracture is literally the worst knee surgery to recover from. Um, so, hats off to you for that. But the fact is, what was your campaign like the whole time? I gotta know this campaign to hey, I'm all in for you guys, Hey, New Jersey all the way, but if I get the call, I'm out of here, just letting you guys know. How did that conversation kind
of go over? Were they all in with you or were they kind of like, come on, John, you gotta be here with us. And were you the candidate for them? Because you've got to be the biggest man in the room. In every room, you step into intimidation all day long if you don't vote for me. Oh so, Unfortunately, politics is a dirty, dirty game, right and you know, like life life in business in general, it's all based on relationships.
So when I decided to run for office, I have zero relationships because I have never run for you know, school board. I've never run for you know, local township committee. I've never done anything like that. So I had the only people I knew in the business. It's because of our kids went to school together. And it was just very strange. So you had to build all those allegiances and jump through all those hoops and do all of
that kind of stuff. But I think, you know, even today somewhat the climate kind of pushes like we need more outsiders, you know, we need people that didn't grow up in the system, that are independent thinkers that frankly, a lot of times just wanna you want to shake the tree. You know, you're not just there on cruise control doing the fundraising that kind of stuff, and you know, you know you're not. You don't have any loyalty to anyone else that's helped you along the way. And it was,
it was, it was a struggle. I was fortunate enough at the time when I went through the process, somehow I garnered favor of Governor Christie at the time, and he was a huge help in the whole process because he put a bunch of people in their places and said this is my guy. If you don't like him, I have a problem with you, so that that's really what it came down to. And he he kind of got to going, but then again he can do that, so he's believing in you. You still got to go out.
You still gotta and it's no different than football. You gotta go out and put the time in. You gotta put the prep work in. You gotta get up in front of people and speak. You gotta go shake all the hands and kiss all the babies. And it's a it's a grind, and it's I'll tell you, it's probably twice as much time is actually preparing to play a
football game. What was it? What was it like one of the toughest things that you didn't know going into Polly, Like you're finally in politics and you go to d C and everything, Like what was one of the things that just shots you most when you when you were there, I mean a lot of it was new. It really took I mean it took me like one so I got elected and in the office, it took me like nine months to get my bearings. Like what is the You know, it's no different than being a rookie anywhere else,
you know what I mean? But you think about the you know, the totality of you know, you know, constitutional law, public policy and all this kind of stuff, something I've never studied in my life. Right, So again, what happens. You're only as good as the people you surround yourself with. You gotta put it, you gotta put a team together that has the experience that you know isn't bowing down to the powers that be if you will, and you know that, and they're free thinkers. And I was fortunate
enough that I found those people. Believe it or not. My chief of staff I actually found through a connection I had at w y P sports talk radio in Philadelphia. He used to be the press secretary in an office where she was the chief of staff, and I ended up hiring her. It was the best thing ever. I mean, talk about an oddity a relationship I had through planning for the Eagles and doing the players show on the radio. The guy introduced me to my future chief of staff.
So it was just like one of those one of those amazing things, and it was it was a challenge. But the big thing I think is, you know, you sit there and you know people that are successful are frankly um, you know, very they look inward, very self reflective, very honest about who they are, what they are, and you go through the whole process and you're like, man, how the hell did I get elected? I want to know that. That's what I really wanted to know that.
I want to know was there any was there any hazing? Do do do politicians haze the freshman politicians do y'all? Like make them write extra speeches for y'all, or like what make them take you out to dinner dinner? Run them. There wasn't a lot of hazing at all. I mean, but you know, it's no different than being on a
team to like you'll have click. So all of us rookies kind of hung out together, you know what I mean, and you know the veterans and old heads did their own thing, and it was just it was just different. But I'll tell you, you you know, go back to that comment, is like, how the you know, how the heck did I get elected? And then you start watching people around you and I'm like, oh my god, like how did
that guy get elected? And he's been here twenty years, he's just like So it's just one of those things, is like, And it's no different. I mean when you look at the the broad stroke of stuff that you can accomplish, you know, at the federal level, and all the different things you touch you can't touch at all. You gotta pick a couple of niches, you know. I was fortunate enough, um I got a sign to the Armed Services Committee, so our military base here in New
Jersey is the second largest employer in the state. UM I was chairman of the subcommittee and the Veterans Administration, and I was also on the Natural Resources Committee, which we have one of the one of the top fisheries in the whole in the whole country here off the coast of New Jersey. So it was just it was things that were very very relevant to my to my constituency,
and it was something that was passionate about. You know, you guys know this when you when you're dealing with veterans and active military, we have a lot more in common than many people think. You know, they did it and all of that kind of stuff. So it was it was a really natural fit for me, not only from a constituent standpoint, but from a you know, a teamwork and motivational standpoint to be around all those types of people. What's your time in Congress. What's the one
thing that you're most proud of? Like your your greatest accomplishment in Congress? Like, what's what's that one thing? I would say this, and I still get it to this day. Um, you know, you'll be you know, on a on a Saturday or Sunday morning walk you're walking down the street. I still get people to pull over and say, you know you have my brother out with all this Veterans Administration red tape, thank you so much. He was in a really bad place. He's doing so well. That kind
of stuff. I mean, just saying that makes the hair on the back of my next stand up, And that's that kind of stuff because that was the approach I took to the whole process. It was. It was constituent services. You know, it's what a lot of companies lack a lot of time, the customer service aspect of it. A lot of people go into it because they have a desire to be political and drive those agendas and all that. I was there to serve and that's what it was.
That's what it was about for me, and frankly, that's what it should be. And I always say that's why it's broken because it is more about politics and in its service. All right, John, I got a question though, because we all here now, like you just mentioned how politics is so you know, vindictive, it's so this and that.
Were you ever in there saw somebody get up say this like crazy speech, all these you know, very very uh even being the biggest character, and then all of a sudden they come back and like, oh yeah, I was just putting on for the camera. They were just putting on. Did you ever seeing that sense of man, where'd they get all this energy from there? Not? That person is not normally like that either on eat on
both sides the energy. I don't think it's fake. I think part of the frustrating problem is when you when you think about, you know, when our when our forefathers founded this country, where that was true academic debate, where they were off the top of their head, it was deep felt knowledge and passion and all that kind of stuff. When you look at what we're going through now, it's a script, it's planned, it's red it's all of that. It's not a lot of like debate and theory and
all that kind of stuff. That's an annoying part of it because you're sitting through it. It's like going to It's like going to a presentation and someone say, well, I don't want to read this to you, and what happens They ended up reading the slides too, And that's what it was like, Okay, all right and tell me this. So if you want to if anybody has never heard this before, you maybe have a passion or wants to get into politics. You're saying that you need to get
on you need to run for school board. At first, that's like the beginner steps of politics. He's like school boy, very local level stuff. Then jumping into into the big waters or you don't to I mean even um, you know, even when I stepped down. The guy replaced the guy that replaced me, he had never been in politics. Yeah, he was a business owner and he brought that acumen
to the job. But it was just that it was like you gotta have somewhat of a passion for it, and you know whether it is you know, unfortunately a lot of them are driving with you know, political passion. But you know, you guys have many and I'm sure you guys done it. All of our teammates know. You're helping everybody out with their foundation, helping people in the community and all that. When you take that aspect of it,
that's how it works. You don't need the experience. I can tell you when you look at Capitol Hill, what do you have? What do you have there? You have a bunch of attorneys and I and I have I have joggingly but half seriously say, there are a bunch of attorneys that won't make partner a law firms, so they had to find something else to do. And what all these attorneys got us to where we're at. We need new visions in there. And that's really that was
my approach, and I encourage people to do it. But I also say, as be careful because it is a dirty, dirty game and it'll it'll wear on you, which is part of the reason why I got out of it. I mean, if you guys go and look. I had an op ed in Politico when I actually stepped down, and I had a football reference in it, and I literally said, because there's too many people in this game to get elected to a Pro Bowl, then rather win the Super Bowl, the individual accolade versus a team accolade.
That was really the problem with it, because I've been in front of many groups of my colleagues, and I literally said, I don't care what my political affiliation is. I can vote anyway I want to on any piece of legislation, as long as I'm willing to invest the time to go home and explain it to my constituency why I voted that way. And I said, most of you people in this room default to principle. If you
will that you won't vote for certain things. I goes, no, this whole thing is a negotiation, and if you reverse engineer the math that goes into actually passing legislation, it's going to tell you where that policy has to be. And they always default the principle of principle. I goes no, it's not about principle. It's about doing your job and then go home and explaining it to people. Okay, yeah, interesting. Interesting.
So the NFL veteran congressman and now doing what you do for the NFL, how in the hill did you become an uba driver? That? That's pretty that's pretty interesting though, right, he's clearly a service person. Clearly disclaimer. The NFL HR Department didn't like that I was doing that, so I had to step now, but you know it was really it was really based out of boredom, if you will.
So at the time, my um my two oldest were in college, and my youngest one was still in high school, but she was She actually plays basketball at Villanova now, but at the time we went in high school. So you're talking about those, you know, those spring and summer months. So they'd be traveling all over the country, would be her and my wife, And I'm like, I can't pick up and leave office on a Thursday to drive down to Newport News and hang out there until Tuesday, you know,
to watch five basketball games. So I was staying home on the weekends by myself, and I'm just sitting there. It's like, so, you know, I'm either gonna go hang out with the boys or I'm gonna sit here and feed my face, which neither of them are probably good for you on a regular basis. Like, let's try this uber thing. And I just set it up and I would literally sit there on the sit there on like
a Saturday morning, watching TV. I turn it on and all of a sudden some would pay me for a ride and I started driving around and next thing you knew, it was one o'clock in the morning you think about.
There used to be this show called Taxi Cab Confessions and they were in New York and it would be a taxi It was basically like uberwin a camera, but they would have these uh, uber excuse me, taxicab drivers driving around New York and just pick up, you know, passengers along the way and they would have the most amazing conversations somewhere like you could see coming. Some were just completely blow your mind. What was like one of the greatest conversations you ever had with it with a passenger.
There were there were a handful of them most most of my time, believe it's not. I was nervous energy on my part, trying to slouch in my chairs, and then we try to figure out who I was, you know. But you know, once people figured it out, because obviously my picture was on was on the app, and I was using my first name and all that kind of stuff, and that they would figure it out. You know. I would always bust on, you know, living in the Philly area, and it was more locker room banter with a lot
of people than it was anything else. Just poking fun at him all the time. There there wasn't you know, and they would ask a million questions, but it was a lot of it was football related. Unfortunately, though, you know, after getting out of politics, I kind of had to stay up on both sports and politics because I would get the questions just to have the conversation. So trying to would politics because you never know where somebody's gonna come from with all of that stuff. But you know,
it was it was a lot of funny. You got to meet some people, and you know, to that point though, I tried to Uh, I tried to get off the road by two eleven thirty and night twelve o'clock so you didn't have to deal with all the people leaving the clubs after after he goes that's a nightmare. Another good comes after midnight. That's what the coaches used to say. John. I gotta know, though, sorry, Peanut, were you at Uber X driver Uber XL Uber black? Like what kind of
car were you picking up? But I gotta know, John Runnings picking me up in the Uber? You don't look like he was in a prius. Yeah, yeah, I don't think he's in the regular umber X. I just don't think he picked this to another level And it wasn't the most efficient thing. I was driving a gmc uh Sierra Durhmax crew cab, so a decent crew cab pick up. Yes, I like it. Yes, do that comment all the times, like I've never been picked up in a pickup truck
with right, That's exactly what I would say. Those things are massive. So how did you uh so NFL whatever, you know, they told you they didn't want you to do that anymore? How did you get into the position that you're in right now with the NFL? You know,
it was just one of those scenarios. So, you know, many many and I know you guys know about Troy Vincent is Executive vice President of Football Operations, and I was I was looking at some other jobs, player engagement jobs around the league at the club level, and Troy actually used to run that department at the NFL before he became e v P. So there was one club asked me to write the job description because they didn't
have a job description. And I turned it around and about you know, thirty hours, but I sent it to Detroit to look over to say does this kind of fit what you were? You know, how you set that department up before you you know, moved on and he didn't really move on. He's actually above it and overseas it now, but he was running it before and he only changed a couple of words in it. He goes by the way, he goes, I might have a position up here for you, and he goes, when's this interview
going to happen? I goes next week, and I'm like, He's like, it's gonna take me some time. So, needless to say, nine months went by before Troy I actually said I think I I really think I have a
position for you. So again, to go back to the relationship thing, Troy and I played in Philly for quite a few years in the early two appends, but it was it was something where we knew each other and actually, Troy a couple of times I actually came down when I was in office and talked about team building and leadership skills and all that and kind of how they
transferred over into into government and all that stuff. So you know, we had we had always kind of been in touch, so it wasn't it wasn't a big stress, and he knew how I was wired, so it wasn't anything new, and it was just an opportunity. The guy I had to jump at you because I'm still in the game and I'm still Shepherd in the game for
the next generation. That's a lot of fun. But like anything else, yeah, there's a lot of long hours involved in it, but you know what, it's worth doing because it's something I'm passionate about and I want to see, you know, my son place for the Packers now, So boom boom, No, No, we'll be able to, you know, create this game, make this game better, and you know, hopefully at some point maybe my grandson is around and has an opportunity to play in the league. John, that's
that's a terrible team. Your son place where you know that, right, I'm a I'm a I'm a long time Bears guy. That's like, that's like the Cowboys, like that is. We don't even say Packers on this show. We say that green team. That's all right, I say Packers. I don't hate the Packers. I think it's a beautiful place to play, love the Lambeau Field, the whole nostalgia behind it all. I'm a big Packers guy because you went to the Lands and y'all don't really have a rival. We don't.
It's okay, like I like the pack. The odd thing is, you know, going to the University of Michigan, we actually used to get We had a tally in the weight room. Anytime you walked into the facility with green on. Obviously Michigan State, right, they put a tally mark on the board and that that was a that was a sixty yard sprint on the last day of conditioning in an off season every time I walked into the facility with green, so green was not allowed in the facility, you know.
And then in two thousand I signed with the Eagles. Now I'm wearing green now much son's wearing green. So it was something. And he went to Michigan to where green wasn't allowed. So it's just like we'll all end up in green at the end of the day. That's kind of full circle. That's pretty cool. All right, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll come back with some quick questions for John. Y'all stay tuned. I just wanted to like John, like, you never took a break, bro.
You retired, you went straight into this. You've never taken a break. There was um. So I got a I got an office in January fifteen, I started a little business development firm I was doing. You know, I was making three or four thousand dollars a month doing it on my own. Yeah, and I'm like just like do I want to grow this or do I want to
do something else? And there was a couple there was actually a couple of openings on on w I P on the radio, and I actually went back to that guy and said, Hey, I think I want to get back into radio, and he said, okay, he goes. So he put me on the morning team on Monday and Friday. I did the Players show, the two Players shows on Monday night, and the Eagles pregame show on the radio, and I did television on Sunday night after the game.
But I did that for you know, that nine to ten month period where Troy was kind of dragging his feet. So but you know, I got back into that so that that was really the only and that was my thing to your point some time off to like just not do anything, to be running around. So John, you were drafted in, right, correct? Yeah? Alright, the first thing you purchase, what's the first thing? He splurs it on a pickup truck. Think I'm truck alright? Uh? Favorite favorite
moment playing in the NFL. Favorite moment playing in the NFL. Uh. The unfortunate part is a lot of the bad ones stick out to you, you know, and unfortunately again, I think I lost two Super Bowls. I think I was more. I was more. I was more excited, you know when we you know, the the weird one. Um. So I was playing for the Titans, and we actually beat Jacksonville in the a f C championship game down there that and they were in the division. So that was the
third time we beat him that year. That was probably the best, the best feeling because the next time we won the NFC Championship in Philly, I just kind of walked off the field like, hey, we got one more game to win. Let's not let's not get caught up in all this stuff, and let's go do this. So it was it was probably that first ANFC championship, wint. So your personal mount rushmore of people that have been successful in helping you get to where you are right now?
Who are those four people? My parents? Um, you know, I just spoke to my mother last night, so that's two of them, Um, both of them. UM, My wife, the stuff she has helped me with I mean talk about you know that that was a big part of going into politics. Hey, I'm not gonna be around you gotta be okay with this, you know. And we had three kids, and you know, one in high school and two in junior high and you know, junior high, elementary. Ah,
so that that was another big one. Um. You know, people you know, coach Read one of the most supporting, humble, honest people. You'll every me. You can bounce anything off of him to this day. If I called him right now, he picked up on the second ring, you know, and that that that's a huge part of it. Um. And and as far as people that I look up to, and I know he's gonna hate this, but Troy Vincent, man, I mean you watch that guy leads by example and
argue with it. And he probably he doesn't I don't. I probably don't tell him enough how much I appreciate him and how much I respect what he does and how he carries himself. It's just something awesome. Fill in the blank. My life right now is My life right now is awesome? You know My kids are My kids are killing it. I think that's the number one goal I have jokingly messed with my kids all the time.
I said, my goal is to get you off daddy's payroll, no doubt, you know, and giving him every opportunity to make themselves successful to get it get them off of it. So yeah, obviously you know my son playing there, playing in Green Bay. I got my oldest daughters in grad school and my youngest daughter is playing basketball Villanova and she's in the nursing school. I mean, it's all in front of him. We did a lot for the last
twenty years. You did them all there. Now it's really on them and it's it's exciting to watch and I feel like we can do a whole other podcasts on just how to get your kids off the payroll like that is a goal of most parents, especially fathers. How do I get these kids off the payroll eventually? UM, you're a great example of that, UM and a pleasure to have you on today too. Man, just hearing everything
your angles, the way you talk about life. UM, your knowledge and experience of all these different things that you've been able to do an accomplishment, it's really cool. Uh. Nobody really has the experience that you've had that I know of through that's played NFL to be able to do this journey and path. Man, you're just a true serviceman. I grew up watching you with the Eagles all those years, and I just did not know the personality behind the helmet.
And this is probably one of the best things that we get when we get to sit down and talk to you guys and just really see who you are genuinely as a person outside the helmet, who you have grown up to be as a man. I give a credit a lot of credit to your parents. I can tell you are raised right, and all you've done is just passed the torch on to the next generation. So I appreciate it. Brother, Thank you. I appreciate you know.
And it's really you know many people I used to say, that's on the on the campaign trail all the time I goes. When you talk about work ethic, people ask where you got it from. My dad was a U A W auto worker, man Blue Golar Flynn, Michigan. You know, that's where I grew up. And you're talking about a guy working six seven days a week, fourteen to sixteen hours a day. You didn't see him a lot. And when you spend time with them, guess where you're at.
You're under the tree in the back working on cars because you guyn't want to say that somebody else fix it, you know, to be able to have those you know, be able to work with these things and all of that kind of stuff. But understand what it took to actually support a family and get everybody heading in the right direction. And one of the most awesome things that I continually instill in my children and try to share with other people. Yeah, that's that's dope, John, I got
I got one more question for you. How important was it for you when you left the game to put that energy into something positive? You know what, I think your your your positive outlook on life is really controlled by you all. A lot of the influences we have day in and day out, it's all negative. It's all negative, and you got to be able to shut it out. I actually I take a kind of a sick, demented twist on humor, you know, um with everything online and try to spin in the positive of a both funded
people and that kind of stuff. It is really, really, really hard, but you really have to take a conscious effort to actually day in and day out when you're having that bad day. There are affirmations you can put in your head that will change your view of that day in a second. But you have to train yourself to be able to do that and open that book
up and read those affirmations. And now that is one of the biggest things that I've learned, specifically going through you know, the agony of the political arena and all that kind of stuff, is to be able to no, I'm on this downward trend. I have to step away, open up, look at those affirmations and goes, this is why I'm doing this, this is who I am, and these are the people that I care and care about love, and I've got to change my view in this moment,
otherwise it's going to affect everyone else I care about. Hey, John, you said something right Now, I gotta have I gotta follow up questions. So, when you're in that arena of politics for so long that at the times that you were, what was something that you felt that you just knew you had but was found out it was really your biggest disappointment while you were up there, something that really
almost took you to that dark place. Could you maybe share with this one of your experiences at that moment. You know, I want to say the one thing that I regret about it, and I did it a few times,
but it was forced on me a little bit. And it's the psychology of humans and dealing with people, in communicating with people, and I knew it, but I didn't use it to the best of my ability because of my stature, you know, you know, six seven at that time, I was probably pounds still I'm in the two nineties now. But of using that that presence to actually influence people,
I didn't do enough. I did it on occasion, but it was something that just aside in and it's not overt you know, psychology, it's covert psychology, just your presence of growing up and talking to people and trying to get him to come on board with all of that kind of stuff. To the speech I was talking about earlier, it was like people are lazy. You don't communicate with your constituents, and that's what it was really about. And
a lot of people bought into that. That actually got a standing ovation by a lot of people that understood what I was saying, I believe it or not. And I didn't do that enough. I had to know you so you shared so much to us. And you know you're talking about those at positive affirmations. You know, we learned a lot from you today. Peanut can probably hit you with a quote right now. He has all kinds of affirmations and quotes that he just spits out. You
can tell you in and from who all the time. Yeah, I had my had my quarter of the day today. What was it? Um? Never ruined a good day by thinking about a bad yesterday. I like it. I like it. Rome here, that's what a quote? Uh and it can't be from tupac um if you ain't first your last. Okay, that's that's what Ricky boy. Come on, this is easy. I gotta know what the people got you have. I gotta go with what the people know. I want to go fast. Oh my god, I just said that. Look, John,
we appreciate you coming on the show man. I found out more about you than than what I thought I didn't know, and I appreciate you. Thank you for your time, thank you for your service. And yes, I myself have lost two Super Bowls as well, and it still hurts every single day. Those those championship rings never come out of the safe. I can tell you that I know people ask you all the time, like don't you ever, why don't you wearing on like they're the second place
for me. I don't want to. Wait, I don't want to. I'm sorry. It's just not if and I'm not I'm not saying this to talk bad about anyone who got a silver medal in the Olympics. I just it's not it's not gold. I'm sorry. That's just me, that's just that's just me. That's how I think. I'm super hyper competitive. Don't disrespect to anyone with a silver medal. I respected. I appreciate y'all, thank you all, but uh it just
it sucks. It definitely sucks. All right. Well, as the one guy that has a Super Bowl ring on this podcast right now, I'm gonna close it out, all right, So I appreciate you, John, Thanks Peanut. As always, don't forget to tell your people about the show and give a rating, a review, and a follow on Apple Podcasts I Heart, or wherever else you get your podcasts at. Thank you so much for listening.