DeAngelo Hall talks Jay Cutler payback, being “hyped” for Jeff Saturday, his coach hiring experience, his passion for fatherhood

harpspawn On telling them what's uthing? Man? I appreciate that was a short intro. You didn't give me three or four different nicknames. I would take deacon being from Alabama, that is like the highest of compliments. Growing up in the Baptist church was to be called brother a Deacon Roman Harper. So I'm first of y'all be in church about three four hours on Sunday. Hey, every South every Sunday, you know what I'm saying, Every sud At least my

church wasn't the one where everybody was just running. Everybody had the Holy Ghost running around sole shoving an Old Sky believed it because it was like one every you know it was subbing an old Sky. Ain't then hallelujah, All right, hallelujah. So we got my man today, we got a special guest, my man DeAngelo Hall. For all those that don't know, we all just call him D Hall or just D. He is a great friend of mine. I've got to know him through the past couple of

golf tournaments. He's got a pretty decent golf swing, but it's more about all the fun and the giggles we have when we get together. His second acts include being a commentator on different networks, doing radio play by play for the Washington Commanders, and he's currently an analyst with the NFL Network. A fourteen year NFL vent first round picked eighth overall, I believe he was the first dB in two thousand and four, taking a three time pro bowler and once picked off Jay Cutler four times in

one game and the Bears twenty ten. I remember that one. It almost reminded me at the same time when we went to the Pro Bowl and I actually played beside this guy and I literally walked away and saying, this is the most most athletic best dB I've ever seen in my life. The guy's feet are amazing, his ball skills are amazing, and he can run. It's just all about does he actually really want to play to day? I think he didn't want to play that day, and when he did, you saw what you got? D Hall?

What's up baby? How you doing? What's going on with Fellas? I'm doing great, man, And I appreciate that intro. It was it was a it was a damn good one, man. But I'm just I'm just honored to be in the presence of greatness myself, man, Peanut. Like I mentioned earlier, huge fan of yours, man, I can't wait to hell, I'm trying to pick your brain. I might turn this interview into an interview about you. But absolutely excited to be on this on this show. YouTube rong man, love

y'all dudes. Man, so huge fan of my DBS, so came. I always like when we have a dB on the show because it's it's a lot easier to do just because we played the same position. But what I really want to say is I remember that that that the game with color and I think we were just sitting there like, why the hell is this dude still throwing the ball to d hall. Okay, I get the first one, like, yeah, it was a bad throw that was on me. I'm gonna I'm gonna make up for it. The second one

maybe it was a receiver. The third one, okay, he kind of hot right now. The fourth one, it was just to me. The fourth that was his proud and ego. That was a gift ball. He just stood up. I'm playing, explained to me. All right, dee, tell me kind of like breakdown each one. What were you guys? Maybe in give me a quick little synopsis of it. Ended up getting the four. Let me first get y'all a little background.

So I played Jay Cutler probably two years. Proud of that when I was in Oakland, right that half a year I played in Oakland, UM and when he was in Denver. One of his top receivers was Eddie Royal v Tech guy. I didn't play at Tech with Eddie, but I knew all about Eddie. I knew Eddie was a really good receiver. But because we're opening, all we played was man. So Mike Shanahan got us, you know, running all over the place like he's got all type of motions. And like we're in straight man. So I'm

joeyo emotion. I'm running back and forth, and so they're killing us. Eddie probably had I don't know, eight nine catches, so I'm sure Jay Cutler probably like, ooh the Hall coming to Chicago. I lit him up when I was with Denver, right, so he just kept coming to the whale. First one, I'm on Devin Hester. Devin runs like a little curl route, I mean, like a man coverage. But Devin, being new to the receiver position, he just didn't come back to the ball. So I was able to beat

him out his break. He was sitting there waiting on the CURRL and I turned into the receiver, came back, ended up having a diving interception for number one. I want to say Number two was a slam route. We in literally two man. I got Johnny Knox the inside cut off. Johnny Knox almost like doesn't even fight me to brunless slant. He just kind of like, all right, you cut me off. Jake throws it right in my hand.

The third ones like a blitz. He throws it out to the flats, get it with one hand, and you know, take it to the house and the fourth one. Literally couple of three into the game, he just throw that joint up. I'm two yards ahead of the receiver, just bailing get the fourth one, and I'm like, man, this is easy. Finished the season with five, so that goes

you get me anymore. The funny thing about that is I remember being on the sideline and everyone on defense was like, he made the pro ball off this game right here. Yeah, he going the pro ball off this game right here, Like it's it's all right. He he got one of the three corner spots already, iss gone. So just damn now. I got to work and I had two forced phone bolls that game. I thought I was having a good damn game. I tell people, like we were battling that team, Like I think Pep Brand

went back. You called a couple of fumbles. Think Erlacker might have had a pick, man, it was The score was like fifteen thirteen, Like it was crazy to have four picks. The Chicago y'all had a bunch of turnovers too. On us. We had Donovan McNatt, Like it was a who's who of guys. Albert Haynes were I I mean it was. It was literally a bunch of dudes on that field, man, but we just could not muster any

real offense. Man. But it was a hell of a game, man, and sold your field the iconic stadium man to do it there. Man, it was a It was an amazing feeling. Man. I ain't never been in the zone on a basketball court dropping fifty sixty, but I would imagine that's what it would feel like. And so Dan's the funny. The best thing about it is literally what Peanut was thinking on the sidelines, like, man, this guy's going to the Pro Bowl. Literally the rest of the league voted you in.

And it was true because I was sitting at the house. We watched the highlights and I'm like, this dude got four picks. We all came back to our meeting room on that Monday and Tuesday, it was like, this dude going to this Pro Bowl. Dog in the Pro Bowl, off one game all the time, but one guy is already is don't even worry about he's locked up. And it's true. And so that same year you end up going to the Pro Bowl. And I was actually your teammate, so it was my first time getting to meet you.

I met a few quite a few of the other Atlanta, your former teammates Atlanta guys there too as well, and so we're all there. Everybody's hanging out and this is the first time, so I'm supposed to be getting paid pretty soon. I was the youngest dB there. It was like Adrian Wilson. But the best thing is that everybody's there and we start remixing coverages. They're like, all right, you can only run so many coverages in the Pro Bowl. And Adrian Wilson and who else is the other safety?

I think andreill Roll. They all were like, you know, we're gonna start doing something else. So dude, literally, this guy D'Angel just was sitting on everything and like had another like three picks or something like something crazy right like another game. He was in his own and I literally walked away like this is the most talented guy ever seen in my life. He was like hardly working a little bit. It's Pro Bowls, He's not going too hard, but it's just like this guy's ball skills are immaculate,

and so I just wanted to share with that. And what was it like that day as well? Because you were also in his own you celebrate you got the MVP, you got all your family, a kid, everybody was there. It was all I was kind of envious, kind of did I did you know? I always ever since my rookie year, right when when when I when I was wanted to make the Pro Bowl, and I kind of hit it in my head, right, it was such a big deal. Yeah, when we were playing, um, it was

such a huge honor. Everybody said, man, I can't wait to go across the water, right, And that was that was the thing to try to try to get to the Pro Bowl. It was kind of the measuring stick, UM, And so yeah, man, I always it was such an honor for me to go. I had to make sure I included everybody who kind of helped me along the way. And so yeah, I always kind of had bore the crew and I just remember thinking, Man, if they throw

this rock, I'm gonna have a chance. And I remember telling everybody all week like, bro, I'm gonna try to go get this MVP like they thrown it in the air, Like I'm gonna I'm gonna try to get some picks. And yeah, they ran like a deep post and I

was able to stay on top. Like you talked about the ball skills, man, that was something Even now watching football man and watching dvs not play the ball, it's so frustrating being a dude who played the ball in the air because like a lot of them, silly penalties is just a comfort thing. Right, you're in perfect position, just get your hand around. Or I see a guy go put one hand out and knock it down when you very easily could have put two and accepted it. Man.

I was just I was always told at a young age, man, get the football, like it's value in getting the football. And so yeah, that Pro Bowl, man, I just remember even when I tackled people, right, I hit Westwalk on the sideline and I went to form tackling them, and I'm like, oh my god, I feeled that football and then you know, got the you know, this little strip

got the football out. And I teach my kids that man, like they tackle the football like you know, I'm not saying I'm not trying to tackle you, I'm trying to tackle the football. And it's something I've always done, man, since I mean I got videos in high school, middle school stripping the ball on like form tackles man, and so I just have always valued that football, man, And I don't know if it was because I started out as an offensive guy that just so happened to want

to play defense. A lot of people think, I think, because we're dbs, we can't catch or something's wrong. I'm like, no, I just like hitting. I like hitting people versus getting hit, and so to me it was easy. I'm a play offense when I get the ball. When I intercepted, I can turn into an offensive guy. But I'd rather do the hitting than get hitting. So yeah, it was to me,

it was just always about getting the football. Sometimes it got me in a little bit of trouble, but it wasn't until I got with coaches who understood, like, man, this is a dude who who wants to get the football. If I can put some plays in that allows him,

that's why we running some trap with Roby. We can run some plays that allows him to be greedy, maybe he won't be greedy, and other coverages, and I mean it was a it was a match made in heaven between between me and Raheen Morris because he understood what it was like to have a guy who wanted to get the football, and so he didn't mind giving me

some coffee. But we say like, coach, I need to break and he knew that meant all right, let me run something to let you turn into the playmaker versus having to protect from the deep ball or any other thing. So it was just like you talked about, man, it was just just being in the zone man. And like you said, the Pro Bowl, man, everybody out there kind of kind of halfassing it sometimes, and so I wanted

to go out there and try to make it. Anything you said, somebody going to get the ball, you tackle the football. Gilbert San Diego Chargers Ring of Honor. He was my dB coach and Chicago and he used to always say, I mean, I ain't got a foot ball, but he was like, Yo, it's about the football. This thing right here, it's worth millions and if you go out there and you can get it back, you will get millions of dollars. It's about this football right here.

It's like, when that ball is in the air, it's anybody's, but my mindset is that's my damn ball. I'm going to get it. When the ball is in the air, I become the receiver. That mindset is kind of what transcended in my opinion, like our defense that's that's kind of how we operate. It was like, Yo, go get the ball back. Go get the ball back for our offense. And you were talking about teaching your kids how to do that, how to play that. You sound like a coach.

I know that's something that you've been passionate about and some things that you want to do. Where did coaching come into play? I mean, I I just think I just think we as former players, man like, we have such a wealth of knowledge, right, and I've had coaches who could could coach the game, but it just always felt different coming from a guy who had actually done it.

And then we communication, right. We've all been in DV rooms where a coach might say something right and you got guys in the room who like, huh, like coach when and then maybe you as a leader, you you see the same thing the coach says, and you can comprehend it, but you just have a way of just simplifying it right, putting it in layment terms, even in terms that they can understand, right, instead of pastor the art.

We got to check this out if we got strong side over here, and it's you know, it's just an easier way to communicate it. And so for me, I've always just I don't know, man, I just I feel like I've always had a way with words. I've always been able to communicate. And so for me, towards the back end of my career, right, I played fourteen years. The last four I probably played maybe ten games the last four years, and so a lot of it was

I r right. Year eleven, I tore my achilles. Year twelve, I had a turf toe that I missed like eight games. Year thirteen, I had a acl so year fourteen, you know, I was just trying to not have a surgery and finish the season healthy, and so like, from year eleven to fourteen, a lot of that was spent essentially coaching, pouring into a lot of these young guys. And it was there that I that I really felt like, man, like I gotta I got a real talent for this.

Just the business in general, right, especially the National Football League. It's so it's so hard because as players, we were always taught, man, peanut, if you're good, they're gonna see you. You're gonna get noticed in high school, scholarship, in college, you're gonna get into the league. In the league you're gonna get a Pro Bowl, You're gonna get all pros, You're gonna get contracts and get your money, you know,

and get paid right. Coaching for some reason, it just the best doesn't always get the job right, and so it's kind of weirdness. It's definitely frustrating when you're a former athlete who has always been taught let you let your work speak for self. And so I've kind of geared away from actually wanting to coaching the league because I've seen so much of the nepotism. I've actually, you know, enjoyed being on TV so much because now I feel like I have to advocate for some of those coaches, right,

And I've love having my voice. I'm loving the platform. I'm understanding the way to use it a little bit more as I continue in it. And hell, man, I apologize to numerous black coaches that I played for, just because I didn't know that the grind and the struggle was that real. I didn't either, player Like, we don't really think about that as players, right, we don't really think about who's coaching us with a guy who should

have got the job. We're just like, all right, this is our coach, even if you don't know what he's doing. We try to find a way to make the best of it. Right. But you know the best thing about that, though, is those black coaches, in my opinion, what I admire about all those black coaches, they never complain to us exactly, you never shut up and they would. They just grind

and they got through it, you know. And I it doesn't make it right, but I appreciate them not complaining and and and and going through that process to make me a better player because the majority of my coaches in the league were black. Yeah you know say that, but I think you know, and I learned this from Aaron Glenn, not only as a former teammate of mine, but then as later on in my career as my DV coach before now being a DC at Detroit, was that not that does he have to do just as much,

but you gotta do more. You gotta do more, you gotta do more. You gotta do twice as months just to get half. Yeah, and so well that's his mindset. And so to be able to go out there and like he was saying, yeah, he's just like you. Former great player, first round pick, got all these great accolades, but still when you get in that coaching room, they

still look at you. It was like, oh, this is just a player, because I think sometimes coaches that don't play look at players coaches that DoD that did play and look at them with a kind of a side eye or like, what is that tension? Maybe because you've been in that room a little they do because I think that isn't they do, guys. And I'm not gonna throw any coaches under the bus. But um, when I first retired, Man, I actually interviewed to be the dB

coach for Washington at one point. Yes, um, and I had already kind of wrapped my head around Man, I want to coach, right. I interviewed for the University of Maryland when Locksley had got the job, and he offered me the job right there on the spot. And a couple days later I found out, probably one day later, I found out, Man, Washington's gonna probably fire they dB coach.

They were looking for for a dB coach. So I'm like, Man, so I hit Locksley up, like coach, I can't one hundred percent tell you yes, to know, I got to take this opportunity. And he was one hundred percent cool with it. He said, I couldn't wait all day. You know, I feel like our job is the best. You know, Dada da da? What are you supposed to say? And I'm in this interview and I had other coaches you know along the way who's coached me, kind of helped prep me forward. And I mean I was I was

on man, Like I got a power point. I'm going like coverages, what do you yes? Like, I'm I'm showing what I'm what my philosophy is right, How I value getting the football, how I value putting you in position to get the football, the technique that da da dad. I'm rolling through all the coordinators and I really was like wow, like I've been around some really some really dope dude, some really you know coaches that are well respected in this league. And I get in there and

you know what, I'm bad blah blah blah blah. I'm killing it and I leave it and like the coaches are like wow, like we're impressed. And then the head coach and the DC was in the meeting, and later on I find out I was so close to getting the job, but I ended up not getting it right. And the reason is because the coordinator came in and kind of told the head coach like, you know, this might be my last time being a coordinator, and I really just I really don't want the first year dB coach.

And this was a former player and one of his one of his questions to me was, man, are you are you really ready to commit to this? And I'm thinking, like, well, what makes you think if I was a great player and I committed to being a great player, like, it's the same type of commitment, right, Like, I'm gonna commit to putting my players in position to make like being a great coach as well, I'm I'm gonna put tenfold

that effort. But I also had a question in the back of my head, like and I wanted to say this, but I didn't because I wanted to be respectful. But I was like, so, what makes you think you could You could do it as a former player who wasn't a really good player, but you could do it. But what makes you think I can't do it? Instead of being a former player saying hell, yeah, bro, that's what I had the same mindset and bringing you along, but

they don't do that. They don't bring you along you know what I mean, They almost see you as competition. And unfortunately, man, it ain't a lot of these jobs, and so I kind of understand it. But I was

never of that mindset. Right when a young dude came in, I'm pouring everything into him because I want you at your best to try to take my job, because if I don't earn this spot, somebody's gonna somebody's gonna take it, whether I tell you nothing and try to saying bag you, and then the next year somebody take my spot while I look bad and they bring in the free agent.

So it was always my mindset, let me pour everything I can into you as a young guy, because I want you knowing when I what I know right, because I know I'm not gonna play this game forever. But I also want you at your best when I when I win the job, you know what I mean. And so I've always wanted smarter guys than myself on staffs. And like I was always that guy, man, we can get keyed, man, go get keyed. That's gonna make my job easier. Or we could go get rich guy. Guy.

I always wanted to play, you know, with other great players because I just always felt like they would make me better, you know what I mean, the more players we got, the easier it will to win a game. That's the good thing about coach Coach Vera. You know, when Rome and I are in I had I had the honor and privilege of being coached by him when I was in Chicago, when he was there, we went to Super Bowl and then when I was in Carolina. Actually, the two Super Bowls I've been to have been with

Coach Vera. He has been my good luck charming to get me new Super Bowl. But his whole coaching philosophy is I need to bring my coaches up. My goal as a head coach is to coach my coaches and help my coaches become head coaches. Want my coaches to be head coaches with me. And you would see him let the youngest guy, the most rookie guy on the staff get in front of the team and have a ten minute conversation with the team, and it was the

coolest It was the coolest thing. And I really liked how he would lead and because I think he's always saying, you never want to you never want your first opportunity to have the room when you get it for your first job. You want to be able to do it as like an intern or a graduate assistant, Like you want to have all that experience going into becoming a DV coach. But by the time you become a DV coaches, like, I already know how to do a room, I've already

had a room before, you know. So with all that being said, all the rook that you have to do, all these little side jobs, and you know, starting at the bottom, working and way back to the top. D Hall, how do you feel about Jeff Saturday being a head coach just kind of skipping all that and going right to the top. And no disrespect to Jeff. I don't think he's a bad person or anything. This is not a knock on Jeff. It ain't it ain't nothing to do.

It's absolutely and look, I know Jeff personally, like love Jeff personally, Like that's my dude. Like I hit him up when he got the job. I talked to Jeff prior to that about a lot of things when I was living in Georgia before I moved to Virginia full time. Jeff was thirty minutes from me um and so like I got a great relationship with Jeff, And I'm one hundred percent so hype that a dude who had no coaching experience as a former player stand on that shield

and say yeah, like this is what I do. Like when people ask me like can can can ken I guy, I'm like, hell yeah, a guy can do that. Now. What sucks is that a black And I hate to say this, but a black player would never get that chance. This way, I love John Lynch. I could call John

Lynch right now and get John on the phone. John hasn't has asked me to come out and be a part of the forty nine is front office because at one point I had aspirations of being in the front office, right and but for him to come from the booth and get that opportunity, like the black former players just don't get that opportunity, man, and it sucks. It sucks.

And so I'm hyped for Jeff and I think he'll do great because at the end of the day, the players want, they want to do who's who's been through the fire like they want a leader, And that's what people don't understand. Like as a head coach, yeah, I gotta know exits and those and I gotta know game plans and all this, But I'm a CEO man, like, I gotta be able to manage relationships. I have to be able to communicate. I have to be able to lead men. And Jeff's a hell of a leader. There's

a lot of former play that are great leaders. Like I think about the NBA and I look at all the guys who are helping Bill rosters in the NBA, all these former players that are GM's presidents and head coaches with no experience. Just man, I've been in that locker room for fifteen years. Man, I know what it's supposed to look like. I know what a guy who really wants to work at his craft, I know what it looks like. I also know what it looks like when a guy I kind of just want to give

a lip service. Yeah, coach, I'm gonna do that. Your film doesn't show me that you care about the game like you're telling me you care about the game. And so I just feel like we look at things with a different lens, right Like when I'm looking at a player, I'm looking at scheme. I'm looking at you know, what does he do? Well? I'm looking at can I put him in position to be successful, because we all know, if I can put you in position to be successful,

you're gonna be confident. And when you got confidence, man, as a player, there it ain't nothing you feel like you can't do. And so there's a lot of these little things that I feel like council pushes just don't really comprehend. And I know I'm kind of off subject, but no, no, no, you're speaking mom Brollius. But Jeff got that opportunity because of his relationship and because of no black ownership. It's hard to have a genuine relationship from a guy who can really one percent relate to you.

And the best way I can describe it is when I was doing a lot of front office like training and stuff, I was talking to a lot of former gyms and presidents and they were just you know, they were telling me like like when you're in there talking to the owner, like the owner don't really know football, so he ain't like he's not trying to be wooed by xs and os, like he's being wooed by his

life experiences and his conversational skills. And so I'm gonna throw author smith name in the bank because in the bucket because I know Author Smith. He's the Falconst coach. He was a he was a low level like QC. When I first got to Washington in two thousand and eight, and I didn't know who Author Smith was. I didn't know him from the Man on the Moon and somebody was like, oh, you know his daddy owned FedEx. I say, for real, Yeah, his daddy, Fred Smith, like literally owns

FedEx and is a part of Washington's ownership group. That's how he got a job. I'm like, for real, Yeah, So his dad's a billionaire who has been trying to buy a team for years and possibly still Mike. Right. They're based out of Nashville, and so for Author Smith to go in there and talk to author Blank, it's

a different conversation when he's interviewing right. Athor probably knows his dad in some circles, but it's a different conversation that those guys are having versus, said Eric b Enemy who goes in to have a conversation with an owner, you know what I mean. And so it's so many life experiences that just we can't fully relate to. It's almost like would you grow up at right? And it's your background, and all those things kind of come into

come into the equations. It's not just football, it's who that owner really feels the most comfortable with and whether he admits it or not, any owner, whether they admit it or not, they're comfortable with who they're comfortable with, they're around the most noubt ligiately, it's not us and now dangel and have some of us in that room.

It ain't gonna change now now all that being said, and like I would agree with you three thousand percent because most people probably are used to, you know, certain power structures in their own life or their own life experiences. So what they see or what they grow with, they're kind of like what they're used to and it's been successful for them. These are not just like middle of

the road people were referring to. So with all that, what you talked about the front office row, So where where would you see yourself in the front office row when you did envision yourself there? Like what was that looking like? Because I thought I wanted to be a gem at some point, Like yeah, I mean, I don't know, helping Bill Rosters my first year being retired, man, I

actually uh intern in in Washington's front office. So I got to go to the combine, I got to break down the dbs um and it was the year you here Alexander came out Denzel Award. Who'd you like more? JR. Alexander or Denzel Award? I mean they both were studs. Now, a lot of people didn't know j here. And so my dB coach was his coordinator at Louisville, and so I had an insc how small football gets the award.

Actually played at Bama Whammy and so coach me at Virginia Tech, and so I kind of had an inside track on how this kid's makeup was, Like what drove him right, That competitiveness, that edge that you have to have, And I kind of had that same inclination when you talk about j C. Horn Right, Absolutely love Pat Curtain,

love love him to death, technician, great corner. It was just something about j C. Gamee that I just always put JC ahead of Certain for the simple fact I felt like he was more the kind of player that I would like on my team. Not saying Certain wasn't better, and I still think probably Curtain's better for sure, but it was something about that dull mentality that He told me that he just always wanted to compete the hall,

no matter what. And I'm like, like, that's the same thing that told me about you here, right, He just always wanted to compete. Denzel was better, smoother, faster, a lot of these other things, probably more more polished. But it was something about you here, Alexander that just when I watched him on film, it resonated with me. And it was the same thing about J. C. Horne. And I say all that to say as a front office guy because we've been in those situations on a field

watching guys come in, young guys come in. It's crazy because we can see it in guys. We can see the little things, the little nuances that a guy might do that the untrained scout, he don't know what the hell are you really looking at? Like he was looking at a list that tells him, who need to be this tall, he needs to run this fast. It's forty Okay, he's sowing. So he's sowing so because its sides of weight and height. No, his game ain't sowing, so you

know what I mean. Yeah, And so it's just it was always building rosters, man, and it was building rosters with the mindset of not only athletically, how do you fit in my scheme, but personality wise, how many guys will come in your locker room personality wise? That great

player but just didn't fit right. We had Albert Haynesworth at one point, dog great player, but he was never gonna he was never gonna work with Mike Shanahan, and so it just threw off the whole vibe of a you know, it grew through through the whole vibe of the locker room. And so there's a lot of those things when you talk about trying to build a roster that I don't think the average person really takes into consideration. They just think we're playing Matt and just plug him

in and he can do it all. He's he's a ninety five where he's a great player. We're gonna plug him in. He's a zone corner we played man, probably not gonna work for him, you know what I mean, Like Josh Norman, man, we needed him to do stuff a little different than how we do things. Coach. We can make him a great player. We just gotta put him in position to make them plays. Put him in man and tell them get out of break with cats

ain't really what he gonna be great at. And so you just gotta find you gotta find your niche right, put it down position to be successful, and here's be an all pro for you. I mean, I did a little bit of broadcasting, talking on TV and it was cool, little it's fun, and people always ask me, Oh, why don't you get into coaching. You'd be a great coaching. I think I'd be decent at it at best. I mean, I know what I'm talking about. I know what to look for as you as you as you were saying,

like we see things through our football ends. We don't just watch games. It's like, oh yeah, he called the ball cool. Like I'm looking at all quarterbacks outside the pocket. Okay, he's twelve years on the field. I can push my receiver down. I don't you know, Like I'm looking at all these these little things. Which one are you more passionate about broadcasting or being a coach. That's a great question, challenging. I know, I know, and I'm struggling with this because

my wife always gets on me. Right, because every time I'm watching the game, I'm a TV I'm coaching, right, I'm coaching my kids I'm telling I'm just coaching. What was wrong? You should just coach? And I'm like, right, I love my free time too much at this point in my life. Like they missed that bandwagon right when they didn't let me in when they did and I was ready to mit. Yeah, And so now I just

I feel like I can't coach now, right. I got little ones that I'm that I'm enjoying pouring into them. I enjoyed my free time. I enjoyed golf and trying to golf and be a good golfer. I was hearing that I was. My head ain't even wrapped on six in the morning to eight at night. Like that's a grin. I don't think people realize that. I don't realize the grind that coaches. Then I don't want to feel too much.

Nub y'all worked days. They worked twelve hour days, Peanut and d haul to get like one steal of a play, like twelve hours to get to set up a player for one play. And don't let them mess it up because they're gonna let you know it ain't for me. It ain't probably fight one of these players. They've mess stuff out. The idn't got during spent all that time trying to help you make a play. One play. It ain't a one route. Man. I'm screaming on last year

old fifty and sixth graders out here playing. I'm the coordinator, d coordinator. I'm screaming on everybody because if I hadn't told you how to make that play, dog, and you ain't make like, come on, man, you know what I mean. Like, but I got a high I got a high standard, man. And so like even like my kids watching film, they

you know, they're making plays. Like my eleven year old made a play on the screen pad and I remember showing it to him on film, and like on the field after he makes the play, he's like the brain I saw it on film, and I'm like, that's what it. Dudes in the league can't comprehend sending it on film and taking it to the game, and so it's it's it's just it's fun, man, Like I'm having so much fun, uh coaching them. I never really got nervous because I always knew what to expect out of myself. I get

nervous watching them. Like it's way more exciting watching them make a play than any play I ever made. So my daughter has her first game today. She's on the varsity. And my look, I got my old she's about six feet tall. She a tall. Yeah, she had hooper and she got a first game tonight. And I'm you're you're

a thousand percent right. When your kids are playing and they're doing things and they're making plays, it doesn't even compare to what you did when you made a play and you got eighty thousand, ninety thousand people screaming your name. It's me a couple of other parents in the gym, and I am just like I am on ten, so excited for my kids. It's one of the one of

the coolest things. So we're gonna gonna pay some bills, We're gonna take a break, and when we come back, we're gonna talk about my calls, my cleat and what you have yours for. When you were playing, you had a couple of things going on, right you were you were involved with some some charitable some charities, I should say, uh and now being retired out of the game broadcaster, uh, Pop Warner Coach of the Year. What are what are some of the what are some of the what is

your my cause? My cause my Cleat campaign. God, I cannot say that word. I know, I know, it's a tongue twister where you know, my cause my cleat has has been something that I've been I've been a part of for a long time, and I've always supported the MS Society. UM Multiple SCORROSIVESUH. I had two sisters with multiple scorrosives. One passed away about three years ago from MS UM, and it was a disease that you know, we really didn't know a whole lot about five thirty

years ago when they were first diagnosed UM. But it's something that's you know, very near and dear to my heart. UM is something that I'm obviously always trying to you know, raise awareness for having you know, having had two sisters with it UM and you know, just seeing how it's impact other families. Anyway I can, you know, help bring awareness, help bring resources money, UM. You know, I'm always trying

to trying to help. You know, another guy who grew up kind of in my area as a baseball player named Ryan Zimmerman who played for the Nationals for a whole lot of years, and his mom was diagnosed with MS two number of years ago, and you know, it's been it's been one of my missions, just trying to

help bring more awareness, bring more attention. Um, you know, like I said, just bring more resources, because when we found out about it, it wasn't a lot of it wasn't a lot of research, wasn't a lot of information to to try to get better. Um, and especially having

a sister passed away from it. Um, you know, I seeing the way that affected my mom's in the way that affected our family, I just felt like it was it was my duty, you know, it was my duty to kind of let my story be known and let everybody know that you know that you're not alone in

this fight. You know what's really crazy, though, is that, Um, you know, one of my former my pastor used to say something and Daniel, you're a great example, is that you know, once you're affected by something, you'll become an a loocate for it. Yeah, and so and so hearing that story. I didn't even know that, you know, I mean you didn't for years and didn't even know that

and already hear that about your sister and stuff. But I think it's outstanding when players use their platform and all is a simple as some cleats, right and that you're bringing attention to these things and giving a chance for so many families that now because like you said, the research has more research has been done the way we can find and trying to help people ease into

things that going on in their lives. I think it's outstanding. Um, and I did not know that, but I really applaud you for being such a strong advocate and standing up for that. It's outstanding, not more than it's more than just a pair of cleats that you were in your feet, no doubt, no doubt. I appreciate it. So we got we got some some quick here to questions, so quick bangers. Boom boom. First thing comes to mind, first thing that comes to mind? All right, all right, who has a

better golf swing? You are wrong? He know that? Probably wrong? You know that. I hate to say that too, but I'm telling you next year and it ain't gonna be him. So so, Peter, you gotta understand. We play in this shootout bro in Hershey, Pennsylvania. It's it's legit, Bro. It's so fun. Doc, like we we gonna all go out there. We have such a good time. Man. There's so many

of us like younger NFL guys. Bro, we get to hang out with older guys and we get to know each other through this, Like this is how I got to know D'Angelo so well. And we really spend like three days, Bro, and just like kick it and uh it's great. But right now I do got him. I'm working too, though, I'm gonna be as much as we kick it wrong. We have never been golfing well because Petero, you don't want to go off it. We gonna golf next time. We don't want to Dangel he don't want

to go off. I brought him as he walk at all No, hes there all day, Yeah, golf with beginn of golfers. Bro, I'm sorry all day. I never I go out there with two balls. I go out there with two boxes of balls. I don't even look for my ball. No, then't on the green. I just dropped. What the next one is here? Then Joe, we get through like three holes, four holes. He's like, man, I'm bored. Like we done. I'm like, Bro, we got through the

front nine. I'm because you're my guy. I'm gonna play golf with Thank you all right, next one you're ready when you're not pursuing your career goals? Do you still change tires in your spare time? This is a skill that I think most people need to have, but I want to know I would, Guy, I gotta hear the story from this. So look that's that's that's my oldest son. That was a couple of years ago. My oldest son

is twenty. That's his tutor's car and it she got a fletch tire coming to our house right outside of the neighborhood. That's the sign right behind the car. And I'm like, well, look, miss brill, come, I come take my car home. I'll just change the car, like I'll change the tire. I've changed probably three or four tires before my day. And so got down on my hands and knee. People seeing in the neighborhood know who I

am blowing the horn saying what's up? I want to say, my wife probably took that picture just to try to be funny because she was taking you know, one of the probably girls to a cheer or something leaving the house. But yeah, but yeah, you know, I don't mind getting my hands dirty, man, for sure. Hall filling the blank right now. My life is oh amazing, amazing, man Like, you know, being able to being able to be a dad, Like I was a dude who grew up without a dad.

Like literally guys did know didn't see my my dad's face until I buried them, um, and so never had a relationship with them. And so for me to be drafted at twenty play fourteen years, leave the game, get to talk about it on TV, get to hang out with dudes that I was huge fans of, um, get to talk about it on TV with with with you know these young guys. Just feeling like I've never had a job before. Like, as a parent, that's your aspirations for your kids, right to to to be as happy,

go lucky as I am. Um. And so like everything's just great, man Like I'm trying to pour as much knowledge and just information and understanding into my kids so that so that they can have the same opportunities. You know what I mean. That I had been a dad has been so cool, you know what I mean? So dope, it's just like everything's just amazing, man Like I do some real estate stuff, you know, you talked about some

of the stuff I do on the network. And just just being able to always be home always take a kid lunch to school or you know what I mean. It's just it's it's I'm having a blast in this chapter of my life, man, and that's why I'm not coaching. Like I don't like, I ain't got no stress, like I do what I want, I ain't got nobody telling me.

Like as much as we love the NFL, I ain't really like people telling me what to do, you know what I mean, Like twenty four to seven, non stop, like you can't feel like you're walking on egg shells, and especially in today's society right with social media, just everything so accessible instant. Man, I'm glad I wasn't playing during this era, you know what I mean? You know what I mean. But I'm just enjoying, enjoying really relaxing man, being a dad and just chilling well d Man, I

appreciate it. Man. We couldn't ended on a better situation, a better story, and a more relaxing feeling after that man shot kicking my feet up myself. Let's enjoy this retirement slash second chapter. Baby, as are you here? Yeah? Baby, straight up kicked up man, Thank you so much for coming on, man, appreciate you. Man. I appreciate y'all having me purely serious, seriously thankful, and I want to sit up here and thank all those listeners for tuning in.

Ask you to spread the word and to give us a raiding, a review and a follow on Apple Podcasts, the our Heart Radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you. Shout out to us in the NFL Player's Second Acts podcast. Appreciate it. Thanks de Hall, no doubt,