You know you're not never You're never ready. You know you're not ever ready. Dude, I called an hour early. I was ready, but you're right. I'm I'm you know what, I'm not on I'm on time, but I'm never ready. Actually you're correct. Welcome to the NFL Players Second Acts Podcast. I'm Peter and Tillman and I got my guy Roman. I am never on time or have my stuff ready? Harper with me today as my coals. What's up balls?
What's up? My boy? And you know what, I was on time, I just didn't have my stuff, So you're kind of right. I mean you did you There's a couple of things you gotta, you know, get right here. Um would a charge or not? The charge of the USB microphone microphone? Yeah, yeah, you gotta get that. But whatever the case, we're gonna get you set up. Today, we got a special guest, Sees, a former teammate of mine, a former irishman. We got Darryl dc Amble joining us
today on the show. DC. What's up baby? How you doing? What's up? Peanut Man? Appreciate your own man. Love to be on the show Man. You guys are funny as all get out. Love it, love it to death, love the banner you guys have it. M just glad to be on um Man journey, right, That's pretty much what it's all about. Notre Dame to Chicago with you, um, watching you run around Peanut punching the hell out of everybody,
which is great. Um. And then to the Browns for a season under Romeo Carneal won four games and that was just horrible. That was just horrible. Yep. And then to Tampa for a couple of seasons under Gruden UM and then starting my trick with the Arena Football League with the Orlando Predators for a season. By halfway through there, Baltimore picked me up, so I got to put my hand in the dirt again. Release once they after couple
couple of games. And then to Canada, where I think right before this we were talking about my uh my Kimbo Kimbo slice affinity, you know, so I had How long was I was? How long was the one season in a Great Cup with Mark Trust was the head coach there? Um? It was. It was pretty good, pretty
pretty awesome. Different ball out there for no, not Toronto, the Montreal Montreal the yeah yeah yeah played played Calgary and the Great Cup and uh yeah and one and I'll tell you what, those Montreal days were pretty pretty cool. I think you got to get get use to that French Canadian speech though. That's something else, that's a that's a yeah. And they encourage you to try and speak
French right like the more you. Oh yeah, if if you're coming from below the border and you're trying to just roll roll with English, that's just not gonna work. I mean, you're not You're not gonna get a sandwich when you try to go to put you ain't gonna get nothing. They're gonna they're gonna work with you. You know a little bit. A little bit I've been in, I got a little bit, you know what I mean. A lot of the trainers, those part of their staff kind of helped me out. Um. But I think the
one thing you just gotta be honest, man. You gotta know your lane. As long as your honest, people will work with you. If if you if you try to do something they know you can't you listen, you don't even stop that, just don't even go there, you know what I mean? But uh yeah, as long as you honest, you stay in your lane. People will work with you, you know who as you went in a trail Rome. So I went there for Kai you know Kaya Bearer. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, he got married in Montreal.
He was there for a very long time. So that was one of my trips to Montreal. And it's funny. So I took French in high school and so I pick up the little things. I know how to read it, I know how to say the little things. You know. Jim Uppelle Roman talk a little bit here and there. You attempt, but like he's saying though, like being a brother from below the border and you come up there like you must attempt to speak rich. You've got a shot.
It will not be happy with you because Montreal is one of those like hard hard French Canadian lines, like that's where it is, and they want you to speak French there. They don't want you to be speaking English in Montreal, so especially certain parts of it. So it's really cool to experience that and hearing, you know, doing some research on DC Man and hearing his adventures about in Montreal, which to me, I think we really need
to jump into that. It's a lot more to unpack in your one season in Montreal under coach Trestman, everything that you got to do and experience there. I listened to you on another podcast talk about, you know how the videoographer guys like they didn't speak English and all a sudden they quit and halfway through the season. Now you step in and they didn't even know you could
do this. They were like, hey, you know, well you were already doing some my T stuff once you got off of work, and you're like, hey, maybe I could you know, fill in this board for you and they're like, nah, you just focus on football, and it's okay, go ahead, felt and then eventually they came back to you. Yeah. The crazy thing is when you have discriminal employees, especially in that whole it videography world, it's just not a
good look for the team. So, you know, I kind of figured it like this, Well, I'm going to be watching film anyway, just as all the other you know, my teammates. Well, like, you know, hey, man, so I'm a few extra Canadians so I can get this done for us and then make some highlight clips on the way. I mean, it's really just apply, just applying yourself, man, trying to make extra buck and you know, make make sure making sure that everybody else's uh you know, comes
along with you with respect to that. So before you making an extra buck though, yeah, I mean it was like it was like unpaid and stuff. Right. He was doing it just to do it to kind of help everybody else out. Well, yeah, I mean to start, but then after a while, like it just you know, you gotta gotta gotta slide a little bit of extra something, you know what I mean, because it's just the time, man.
You know this, and you know, people like if you if you, if you study and taping, like you're like all right, man, like I'm trying to to study my opponent. But at the same time, I got to get this ready for like everybody else, you know what I mean, Like it's the time spend value received that this just got has to has to line up, so um, and they didn't slipping a few extra dollars which was cool. Um. But yeah, well a lot of it was really fun. Though.
When did you get started? I know, because you had you had trust, when I had trust. When he was in Chicago, What time would you guys start your day? The schedule is a little bit similar to like NFL ball. You're up there early, you eat in the morning, you kind of go through your walk throughs throughout the day, and then you go and you have your practice. It's just that it finishes a lot, a lot sooner than than NFL ball does. So he tried to be as
with us, but it didn't. It didn't work. It So, yeah, ro it was not Oh what did he drove with? You got try the same type of thing happen. So now you know how you do one on ones the whole time, right, you know, you do walk through and then you have like scout one, scout two, scout team whatever. We would do scout team, but it was a walking scout team. So you never saw the Yeah, you never saw the plays from the offense full speed. It was
at a walkthrough pace. And I remember Lands and I were like, hey, can we can we get these plays a little bit faster because come Sunday, they're gonna be running this goal route, They're gonna be running this smash or this high loves like they're gonna do it fast. Like I can. I can defend this all day. I'm all pro in a walkthrough, but I need to see this faster. But we literally would practice full speed ones
on one. So it was a training camp practice. Every single day it was just our offense, number one offense versus number one defense. I couldn't tell you how many times I knew our own offenses, our offensive plays, because we went against them every team period, every single day. They didn't work out. I mean, it's cool in Canada, you know AFL, you know Canadian CFL. Excuse me, but it just how we did things. Nah, man, it didn't really work out for us. When did you know, like
it was time to be done. I knew you're making you're making edits, you're doing all these films, But when did you know it was time to be done? Like you know, and I think I've I think I've got my last sack. It's time to hang these clicks up. So once I was done with Canada and after that that first season, came back to the States and I was just kind of mouling around for a while. Like my my wife was, you know, an investment banker with City Banks. She had just transferred from Chase in Chicago. Um,
we're in Philly. We had no family here, you know, in pa um and my son was my son was my son was as I was to stay at home dad. And you know, my wife came home one day and she was like, listen, you know, like this is all great for you to be, you know, with your son, with your boy. Look, I love it. I love the fact that you are embracing fatherhood. But you know, she said like, hey, you know what, there's more to you
than this. You know, there's there's more to you than this. Um, maybe maybe reach out to your coaches, maybe, you know, ask around. Maybe maybe you can get into coaching. Maybe that's like your next deal. Um. So I reached out to Trestman and he was still with it with Montreal. UM. I said, listen, you know, based upon the skill set that you know, I've showed out in Canada. UM, do you know anybody in the industry, you have any friends,
any connections something. I'm just looking for the next step here. Um. He said. I have a friend at NFL Film's name is Greg Cosell. He's the executive producer for ESPN NFL Matchup. UM, I can't promise you anything. I talked to him. Go over there to Mount Laurel, NFL Films headquarters and you know, have a conversation, be yourself. Probably shaved the Afro Kimbo slice thing before you do that? That would that would
be good? Um? I was like sure. Um. I ended up showing up an NFL film suited and booted as in the lower level atrium, um and waiting for care then and Jaluci now Rodgers, who is kind of like the production coordinator here in the NFL film on the end the producers department. She was upstairs. First person I meet with Steve Sable. He comes to the double doors to the lower level cafe and he's like, hey, are you waiting for someone? I was like, yeah, I'm here
to meet with Greg Cosell. He's like, we'll get up there sooner or later, but let me take you on a tour. But I'm like, but Kara's coming to take me, but don't worry about it, so Joe, she'll catch up. Though I did that, you can't even like whatever you wants me to do, I'm about to do. So. I mean, he took me everywhere. He told me about all the art work that he himself created that's littered all over the walls here in the NFL films. It's it's pretty amazing.
Um took them to the studio, my audio department. Um, they have like their own like they have an orchestra here, their own orchestra here. It's crazy, um feel like background music like all that. Oh yeah, they create their compose their own music here. Um. So took me on a full fledged tour of NFL Films facilities outside inside the whole nine. I end up in the office with Greg co Cell and he's literally just picking my brain on tape.
All twenty two tape. That's all this man does all day, every day, five in the morning to seven eight at pm and night he is all twenty two tricked out. That's just still um picks my brain about football knowledge, you know, defensive line knowledge. Up. I met um Pat kellerher and Ross Ketever here they are the two, the two and headed dragon here at the NFL Films now the new Steve and then Sable um if you will, since they're passing um. And it was just natural, man.
It was almost like I found, you know, I just I found my new team. And you guys know how it is, once you're done playing ball, you just you just searching for the next that next locker room experience to kind of like you know, grandfather's you in. So when you said he was picking your brain about tape, like, what does what does that even mean? Like? I get picking a brain about football, Like what does d line do? What was a quarterback? Due? I get that, But how
do you pick someone's brain about like tape? What does that even Literally literally feet kicked up on the desk, big monitor on his wall, all to all twenty two rolling. Hey tell me about this, uh this smash concept over here. Hey tell me about you know, covering three boundary lock that's going on down here here? Tell me about you know, the inside blitz. And I'm sitting me. Were looking at this man like, No, who knows ball? He's just in the office, Like he's like he knows ball. He's just
in the crazy thing. He's like he never played football, but he's just like a student of the game. It's like an intellectual exercise for this man. Like every the fact that he had, you know, he had a wealth of football knowledge and he was speaking my language. You know. I appreciated that, and I kind of feel like, yeah, I think I can do this. This is this is where I need to be. So earned met. No, they didn't hire me on hire me on the spot. Like, they waited about a week or so and then they
called me in to get an internship opportunity. So that first year, came in learned behind a guy by the name of Nick Kehoe who was the graphic producer for an NFL matchup. UM picked his brain every single day until the following season when they hired me on as a seasonal and I took over the range for him and match up for like three years before they made me full time. Got you? So when you finally got the job, though, how was it going from professional athlete
to an unpaid intern? How was it? How was that transition? Oh? Yeah, I mean, well, not making no money is not really fun. But at the same time, it's it's it's uh, it's it's the learning experience. You know. I kind of think, I just you gotta put in its sweat equity, you know what I mean, You gotta put it, you gotta
put it, put it in terms like that. So I was learning UM and while I was in here was just it was just a matter of the curiosity, just like all twenty two was an intellectual exercise for Greg. It's just like you know, when you're a player, and you go to a new team, you gotta you gotta learn the roads, you gotta learn the plays, you gotta learn the ins and out to the of the defense so that you can find where it is your best suited and how it is you can you know, activate forwards.
So you know, for me, I was like, well, you know what you know, I'm a computer science you know, software programming engineering guy, and let me go talk to people I know that speak my same language in this world. Let me go to the engineering side talk to them.
They showed me how things the back end and the front end works with with with within the realm of TAKEE masters and lto and like how the offline side of the building communicates with the on side online side of the building, which none of the producers really know that more do their care um. But to me, that's where I kind of found my niche and um and also too, it goes a long way treating people how you how they deserve to be treated, from low level
groundskeeper to VP of the organization. I just kind of kept that mindset as well. And there is nothing that I couldn't ask anyone. I could I go into anyone's room, office, meeting, you know what I mean, And they would just welcoming U and and and and and willing to to to give me as much knowledgeist you know, I crave, so you know, I use that, applied that and you know, three Emmys and a couple promotions later here I am
em Yeah, I got a few of them. So it really is a team game though, right, like taking the team from playing football, you know, the D line defense or whatever, and then you transition at kind of in this new professional this new transition um and and broadcasting right or excuse me, production. I've gone to a couple of broadcast boot camps and I don't really talk about
like the on camera you know thing for talent. I'm always there to just let people know and let players know, like, hey, there's another side of this thing that where where you can really add in and in amazing ways, which is the back end being an editor, being a graphics producer, you know, um, being a director, that like there's there's there's so much application based upon our careers that we can add into that that's so different than just the
normal producer who's lean has always been filming the whole lot, you know, but at the end of the day though, and we talked about that last night though about just you know, some for the kids who never make it to the NFL and they think their life is always like, oh, I didn't make it to the league, but you can still do or have a job around football that keeps you connected to the game. Absolute producer, a scout, a coach, a director like you said, So, yeah, I think that's um,
it's just way more. There's so many more ways to be a part of the game without actually being on the field, tackling and playing the game. And I don't think as young people, especially as African Americans, like we only see the only way to get there. We gotta
be the guy. We got to be the man. We don't actually talking encourage enough of our young our young people in this world, especially in America, that I mean, you can still do other things than of yourself, whether it's being a cameraman, working the chains, being in upstairs, involved with different organizations. I think that's so cool and so true. I don't think we talk enough about that.
I mean, it's my question for you, DC. Yeah, my question for you, DC is like, and we all struggle with this, how do you change that perception of everybody else that I'm more than just the athlete or I'm just an athlete in this space. I think the way the way that's worked for me has been basically sticking to my truth, which is, you know, embracing the fact that I'm an athlete and that I am set apart in that way. You know, my eyes over the course of my career have been my lens if we if
we talk about production, you know what I mean. But I've seen a lot of stories. I have, you know, a knowledge base and the skill set that's that's applicable in this field in a much different way than someone again, like we said before, who's never played the game and
who's only been about film and understanding the nuance they're in. So, you know, for the pe Nut Tillmans, for the Roman Harpers of the world, you guys are so unique because you guys have seen the game and game in such a way that no producer on this side of the fence has ever seen it like you. You you have
been using your lenses and capturing footage. You know what You're what your what your writtiness for years, you know, at a high level, bringing that to this side, like people minds will be blown like you have no idea, you know. So that's that's how how it worked for me, and I think for for any you know, player that is done with the game to to to understand and
know that you know, hey, it's not over. You can just take everything that you have experienced, hands on experience handing the dirt or you know, backpedaling into the backfield and bringing that to this side of the fence. So I'm jealous that you got emmies. You got three emmies. I want to emmy listen. I promise you you keep doing this, man, You're gonna be you can be just like Dave Bennins and you too. So you got you got three of them, don't you. M Yes? So what
are your Emmy's in US best sports serialized documentaries? Two of them for Hard Knocks, one for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, one for the Houston Texans UM and then our NFL hundred UM production. I think, well, during that season a few few years ago, like myself however, really produced there are we have something like twenty some odd thirty producers in the house to cut that basically taking like seven eight hundred hours of footage and dueling it down to
the best hour of television. Each training a camp for whatever hard knocks, you know, team, we're focusing on what it is seven Yeah, what do you say? That's how much? Yeah? We're basically like when when everybody's at home and that Tuesday night and they were watching that Best one hour. Yeah, on Monday it started out, it's like seven hundred and fifty hours of footage, but do you have to watch? So y'all divide it all up, like if you it's twenty of us, we got seven hundred hours of film.
How much film do I get? How much film do you get? How much film does wrong get? So? I mean so it's it's it's it's not even it's like all hands on deck, you know. And you also think you got your your twenty head producers, you know or
twenty harman is you have your twenty head producers. When you have assistance production assistance, they're all helping the law footage of one you know what it is that you're looking at, right, and then you get those subclips and you can put that into the best one hour story starting from that seven fifty and that happens seven days a week for seven straight weeks. So like this it's almost like a training camp experience here on the editor on the production side, just to get to the best
one hour for you know, public consumption at home. And it's all about are you guys trying to tell a specific story or do you kind of just like, well, wherever this journey kind of takes is we just know that. Well that's the thing. It's like you glory ever changed from week one to week two in the training camp, were like, dude, we didn't even know we had this. Now we got to really give more of this. Well, here's the thing. It's just like this this past you
know someone we did with, you know, Detroit Lions. So like my first few weeks, i had Dan Campbell, Aaron Glenn, Brad Holmes. Right, those are those are my characters, right, So hey, DC, you're a sign of these guys cover whatever it is that you think is best. Now. We have production meetings every day, like and we talk about notes. We talked about different things that we everyone saw and I'm like, oh, okay, cool, let me write this down
that was on this tape. Oh this this assistant saw this, um while I was loving and saw this, and then you put your best stories together for those characters and it's all comprised into that best hour, you know, for for Joe fan at home with the best case scenario of just showcasing coaches. Dan Campbell has a huge personality. Not former teammate in New Worth and he was awesome and he coached there. He was the last couple of years before he got this Detroit job. Age was a
former teammate of mine. He has a great personality. To hear him and do Staley going back and forth, I'm like, they're gonna each one of these guys gonna get a new coaching job off this hard Knocks. It was like the best job interview that you could ever do. And I was so appreciative of it because everybody has this negative opinion about Detroit, and after you watched two episodes, you're like, man, I love this coaching staff. Oh yeah, unique case of all these former players that are now
on the staff. I thought it was amazing that you guys are able to pull this off, and the way you showcased it and packaged it was beautifully dub. I gotta ask you a question. Room is Dan Campbell really liked that in like in real life because he really liked that. Like, I just gotta ask you because that man was first on who swore was a man connected this one No just one piece, you know, like why why bro it is so number one? He kind of is like that man. He's kind of a meathead that
has learned to be able to manage a game. When he got the interim job in Miami, did a great job of really turning them around. Then he came back to us and continue to coach and and I think because he's been around so many great coaches in his past that he has learned what it takes on that side of it. But he deep doubt he is a meathead. Like and I don't think that, lady. I think everybody just and it respects and he's just like I mean, he's kind of gonna just be this meat head of
a head coach. And he's willing to lift weights or like he says, bite ankles or whatever else. I think he really truly believes those things when he says that. I don't think he's like just saying it to get attention. Now. I think that's who he is here in the division. I don't want to see him win, but after watching Hard Knocks, I will say I will probably admit this. I want to see him do well. The heartbreak on some of these guys is awful. Um, it's really really tough, man.
And that maybe so you can talk about DC is uh maybe some of the benefits of positives from young journey. You know, it's gone from team to team, from league
the league. What is that Has it had had any kind of impact in your current journey now that you're I think even when I even when I take like NFL films into you know, um, when when I put it into put it into perspective, Um, there's highs and lows and everything fellas I mean, you know that, Um, especially when it comes to me being a journeyman just kind of you know, living out of a bag for the majority of my career. Um. You know, after you get let go a couple of times, um, and I'm
I'm a faith based man. It's it got to the point where I was like, you know what, whoever guy wants me, that's what I'm gonna be. And when I settle in and I find you know that that team that like you know, I'm I'm there for the long haul. You know the door won't be you know, shutting my face, or I won't be closed. You know I'll be there forever and always so the check. We gonna take a
little break right now when we come back. We got some quick hitter questions for him, all right, if we want to welcome you guys back me my co host, pe Nut Tilman or some people call him Charles, but I don't know many people that call him that. Pet Tilman on the other side, and our guests for the day, Darryl Campbell ak a d C DC man. We got some quick hitters for you. Are you ready? I am all right? All right. Number one, I want to know
your favorite moment of your playing career. Favorite moment two thousand and four, two thousand and five. Minimally, I'm in the middle of a game. I can't recall who we're playing, but I got Lands Brig, I got Hunter hilen Meyer, and I got Brian Urlacker behind me, and I totally totally forget to play. Totally brain gone out the window looking back. All I know is black come up to me and say, listen, big dog, don't boy. I'll make you right. Shit, that's it. Favorite player ever. True leadership,
truly true leadership. The boy said, I forgot to play. Look back like, hey, what's the play. Don't worry about a dog I got you. Just do what you want. But yeah, that's confidence. I got it. So if you weren't a producer, here's here's mine. If you weren't a producing what other career or professional would you be doing
right now? I would be an it professional. Um. I would have a small cubicle almost Prairie dog style, popping up from it, and I would probably be doing either building laptops or doing some type of NSA or STP building apps. That would probably be the career that I would choose. Who's on your personal Mount Rushmore? People who have helped you be successful in life as it as a whole. Uh you get for remember because we don't all know how many people. He might not know how
many mount rushmore. So so I'm showing you four. So uh, I start off with my mom. H she would she would be the number one. Um, because I watched that woman you know, uh work her tail off when my dad left when I was three to provide you know, rough and over my head and and make sure I went to college. And you know, she was the one that put in like two hundred light bulbs so I didn't fall asleep after football practice and not want to do my homework. You know what I mean? She was
always there. Some mom's number one, Uh my number two, I would say, Um, honestly, I say my number two would would be a compendium of all of the players I had a chance to to to play with. Uh. The Tommy Harris is in Chicago, you know who you know, just watching him body control, just kind of just just an absolute beast. Um. Tank Johnson's you, peanut. You know how hard you work every People don't realize how you know, I can't curse on this podcast, how f and hard
you worked your whole career. Man, It's it's it's real. I've said this before another meetings we've been on two Like I look up to you man. Um. You know, um the Orphans Roys of the world, Um, the Chris Hovans, um, the Kevin Carter's everybody, every great player that poured into me along my journey to just you know, do the very best I possibly can. Um. So that might be several,
but I'll just package them into one um Um. I think my third would be, you know, being able to come here and applying knowledge learned from guys like you know, Grego Sell. Um. I'd say Grego sell was a was a really big help. Because it's one thing to be a player, like a defensive lineman. You know, understanding the full breadth of work as it as it pertains to put my hand in the dirt is one thing. But you know, if if if I'm honest, his knowledge base
was about the game and its entirety. You know what I mean, if you were to ask me like like what was a smash concept or you know, fire x blitz and what how how linebackers that I would have no idea. I just know that right here I got to I got this be yeap, I gotta jet it and I gotta make some plays, you know what I'm saying.
You know, if you if we're talking like boundary, cover three, lock or cover three in general and all the like, you know, quarters, coverage, quarter, quarter, half, all that type of stuff, I ain't had no that wasn't in my playbook, No no way, but to actually learn about the nuance of the game and its entirety offense and defense and learning from somebody like that. It actually gives me a newfound appreciation all the guys I used to play with two Like the stuff that y'all had to do in
the back. That's crazy, it's just ridiculous. Just I don't even know hype. But that's why y'all do what y'all doing. Y'all as great as y'all are. Um, And then I'd say, um, you know, not that this should be last, but you know, being a faith based man, it's always first. But it's one of them, you know, just my faith and God and just trusting, you know, the process, embracing you know, every up and not so up because all of those, all of the adversity face lead led me to this
podcast and to you guys. So I think God has really been a blessing over the course of my life and my career most definitely. Amen. Amen, all right. I think we all we all said a mom. Mom was in mind. Mom was a humorist. I think John Running he said his mom was at his UM, I got one for you, filling the blank. My life right now
is a blessing. It's a blessing. Um. I say that because you know there's a there's a point in i'd say two thousand and fifteen, two and sixteen where um, and again it might be a little bit personal too much for this, I don't know, but um I had to. I had a perianal abscess in my heart stopped a
couple of times. Um. You never know why things happen, but I can tell you one thing that like when you're in the hospital table, when you got doctors surrounding, you're saying, hey, listen, you know, um, you might want to talk to your son and your wife because you know, if this this procedure doesn't go well, and say you get buy a type deal. Um, and to still be here and to again, like I say, be talking to you guys. Um, you know, life is a blessing. Man.
I'm gonna I'm gonna write, I'm gonna right side of the ground every day and I don't take anything for granted. Right Glad you're here. That's d that's great man. That whenever you get to talk to people that actually appreciate the space to their end every day, you know that really goes a long way and really pouring into others. And you know we can pick up so much just
by speaking to you, just by engaging with you. Somebody that's thankful, appreciative of just being where they are, their feet where they are, and actually having the opportunities right in front of them. Man, that really goes a long way. So I appreciate you joining us and you know, really just blessing us with your presence and your experience, your life journeys all those other things. Man. Really cool. Also giving all the dbs some love too, because me and
Peanut got know. The further you are away from the ball, where you gotta be. I don't think people that you gotta be able to figure stuff out and connect the dots, because when you're close to the ball, you don't have to know everything. Like you said, dude, I've just got this gap, but I'm good way from the ball. You gotta know everything got It's a lot of things you gotta be able to figure out. Trying to tell you you guys are the smartest like safeties, corners, Man, you're
the smartest dudes on the field. Man, I think safes are the smartest ones on the field. In my opinion, I would I would say safeties. I think safeties are the smartest players on the field. I think corners are the most athletic players on the field. Yeah, I get that. I would definitely that Peanuts one of the smartest corners I ever knew because he actually wanted to know what
other people wanted to do in the defense. Most corners I played with, like, bro, what I got like, they don't even want to waste all that time learning everything else that is safety has to learn. So um, it is a it's a it's a thought game. It's definitely a process. Chess. Absolutely well, I'm gonna go ahead and get us up out of here. Man, appreciate it. Hey, thank you all the listeners that tune in today. I would ask you to continue to spread the world about
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