TURNOUT Bonus: David Brooks on why ‘restoring trust in each other is the elemental task'

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wherever you listen to him. Hi everyone, I'm Katie Curic and welcome to Election Week and a special bonus episode of Turnout. This past weekend, on the cusp of the presidential election, The New York Times published an unprecedented collection by the paper's opinion writers called What Have We Lost? Fifteen essays on what the past four years have cost America? From innocence, conservatism, allies, pride, and for my guests today, David Brooks, Faith, you talk about the floor of decency

in your column. Explain what you mean by that. Yeah, my view is the most at least modern presidents to politicians, they understood there are certain standards of behavior you don't sink below, and even may not like George Bush or Barack Obama, but they tried to be decent and civil and not be you know, talk about their hands size. And to me, the crucial moment I write about in that column was the Second Republican Debate, which was all

the way back in the primaries. I'm Jake Tapper. We're live at the Ronald Reagan Library in Cindney Valley, California for the main event, and Donald Trump had gone after Carly Fiorina for the way she looks, and then he turned to Rand Paul the Center from Kentucky and he said, I never attacked him on his look And believe me, there's plenty of subject matter right there. I want to I want to give Trump Mr Trump, and I at the right now that doesn't seem so shocking that Trump

has done way worse. But at the moment, I was like, what is going on here? That we have a presidential candidate who talks makes fun of people's looks. Uh, And it got worse. But once you fall through the floor, there's no bottom, and as a society, we're trying to find a bottom. Well. I thought it was interesting you write that people didn't seem to be morally repulsed by this, and there was no rise up against this kind of behavior.

Peter Baker and I talked about how fragile these norms are and they really require the key players in the system to adhere to them. And why do you think that that became acceptable and even praised in some quarters that kind of language, that kind of derision. I think first, there we've gotten used to a certain of reality TV. We get get used to a certain level of crassness. Second, people have such low expectations of their politicians that they

don't expect anything. And third, a lot of people feel the elites of society are trying to control their thoughts and speech with political correctness codes, and if somebody's going to break through those codes, are like, yeah, I'm for that. And so I'd say those three things for the main drivers. Let's talk about elites versus everyone else. You know. Um, you talk about these two armies, and one is sort of college educated, you know, think of themselves as worldly

and sophisticated. The other people are less, perhaps educated, have been left out of the American dream in many ways. And there are two sides in polarization. Um, how did we bring them together? And what could each side do better? Yeah? Well, first, UM, we have a way to do this. It's called contact. Here,

you just bring people into contact with each other. And I got the election way wrong, and so I spent the next four years up until COVID going about thirty five or forty states a year, just really traveling and being with other. People would call it going to a bar. I call it reporting. And so I'd said the talk to people and and or breakfast diner. Uh. And I learned so much. I learned that people who voted for Trump,

they're not all racists. There's a lot of complicated reasons people voted for that guy and still vote for that guy. I ran into a guy in South Dakota who said the best day of my life. He was like seventy. It was thirty five years ago. I got laid off at my job because I didn't have the skills, and I thought I would just slip out. And I opened my office door and there were two rows of people people the whole plants Um workforce with a double rows.

And he walked between them from his office door to his car door in the parking lot as they applauded and cheered him as he went, and he said, that was my best job. That was the best day of my life. Every job I've had since his worst. And so I need to change. And so he was gonna vote for Donald Trump. And everybody knew was going to vote for Donald Trump. The communities are crumbling. I would say that two things that each side can do. First,

the supporters of Trump can insist on honesty. You know that we just gotta have rules of honesty. Second, those of us in the more college educated class, we have to persist in our efforts to get to know those people. Four years ago we all read Jade Vance's book, and so I'm gonna try to get to know them and let me sort of stopped. And we often condescend. And

I'll say this as a media person like you. Obviously you know of the mainstream media organizations, of the five thousand people in them, how many of them are Trump supporters? Very very few. And if you tell forty percent of the country, your voice isn't worth hearing. But they're gonna react badly. And so we needed to do a better

job of integration and content. How do you do that? Though, when you say that he's busted through the floor of decency, I mean it's a real conundrum I think for people because they want to be fair and yet someone who repeatedly lies and it seems to have crashed through that floor, how do you stand up to that? So that's a very difficult and trick you can to navigate, is it not? Yeah?

And even you know, I've been on shows where we've had Trump supporters and they haven't behaved in a professional matter. So I mean, we do have standards of professional our profession. So that is a challenge of eventually you find some But um, if breaking the norm is part of being a Trump supporter, then how do you how do you

work and collaborate? That that is a genuine problem. But hopefully if Trump loses, we can have Trump is m without Trump, that the the ideas that couldn't they could have created an administration out of of how to help rural America, how to help industrial America. We can have people who champion those ideas without the norm breaking behavior

of Donald Trump. Do you think if if elected, Joe Biden will champion those ideas and reach out to those communities because it seems that they feel and I think legitimately that they're not being heard or value. And I think, I mean and fortuitously, he's I think the right man for this moment because he comes from Scranton. He he condescension is not a note I've ever seen him hit.

He doesn't do condescension and so he just I think he fits in naturally and has a natural rapport with people in working class communities that even Barack Obama did not have, And so I think he's well fit for this moment. Somebody just sent me a new ad he's done that Bruce Springsteen narrates to his song My Hometown,

and it's about a guy from Scranton. And I do think he's rooted in that these kind of small city rural America and has an agenda which, if he's smart, if he focuses an agenda that addresses the industrialization all the places that am hurt because mills closed, then you particularly hit two communities and hit them at the same time with the same program, African Americans and rural whites. And to have a program that unites those two groups and helps them would be I think a great thing

for this country. I also think if he could focus on retraining. You know, we've heard a lot about the transition from fossil fuels to uh, you know, green energy, and I think that terrifies people who think it means they're going to lose their job. And I have never understood why such a small percentage of GDP is really focused on retraining individuals for the jobs of the future, or at least getting us out of the model where you have to go to college to have a good job.

Like community college or apprenticeship programs are just a more effective way to give people the skills they need to succeed the You know, we send so many people to college and like percent of them get through, and so we have a system that's failing the people. How can we stick with that, Not to mention the exorbitant ca must of college, which just does not seem to be sustainable to me, right, that's for sure, and colleges are

now suffering. I don't know what's going to happen to hire ed In the year's ED, let's talk about the crisis of legitimacy. You cite a survey that says in nineteen ninety seven, sixty four percent of Americans had a good or great deal of trust in the wisdom of their fellow Americans. Today it's only a third. What happened, people took a look at each other's voting behaviors and they said, oh, those people are not only wrong, they're crazy or they're evil, And so they lost faith in

each other. To me, the scariest statistic is trust in each other. Two generations ago. If you ask people out of the neighbors, are your neighbor's trustworthy? Say yes. Now it's only and only of millennial in gen z. Younger you go, the more distrusting people are because they've been betrayed by experience. And so when you lose. When church loses faith in God, the church collapses. When a nation

loses faith in each other, the nation collapses. And somehow restoring trust in each other is like the elemental chansk. Joe Biden can win. But if we don't trust in our society, if we can't work together, we're still in deep trouble. We'll be back right after the short break. Hey y'all, this is Caroline Hobby, the host of Get Real with Caroline Hobby, Honest Women, Honest Talk. I love podcasting.

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the eight nineties progressive era. In nineteen sixties, holcol culture just suddenly shifts. You get a moment where you get a lot of indignation. People are disgusted with the state of society. A new generation comes down the scene, new communications technology, and suddenly the whole country just shifts ideas and it shifts culture. And I think we're at one of those inflection points where we either decide to be a diverse society or not. We either decided to be

an equal society or not. And so these elemental questions are on the table. You have said, this is the result fifty years of social decay. How so, Well, if you look at society in the nineteen fifties, we had a lot of problems. We had racism, we had sexism, we had a lot of anti semitism, but we did have a lot of cohesion. We had very low income inequality, we had very low political polarization, we had a lot of people really active in their communities, a lot of

people with a stable emotional bases. And over the last fifty years, we've had a culture of me, of culture of I want to be free to be myself. And that's been great, and we've made a lot of progress, especially on race and gender and other issues. But we've torn apart this the connections between people, and so now you have more loneliness, more distrust, more isolation, more suicide rates a third, more depression. And so people, when you make them feel lonely and alienated, they're gonna do what

their evolutionary routes tell them to do. They're going to revert to tribe. And they've reverted to political tribes. And now we don't really see issues. We just say what what army am I part of? And that's just been a horrible thing for our country. And let's talk about that some more, David. So, our our basic sense of belonging has now translated into our political ideology and identity, and and why is that so damaging for our society?

Because it's asking more of politics, and politics can bear Politics that's best is a competition between partial truths. Republicans believe in freedom, Democrats believe in equality, and we need to somehow find balance between those two things. Uh. And it's about policies, it's about designing a health care system that will actually work for people. But we've turned it into our ethnicity. My ethnicity is being a Republican or

a Democrat. It's not being Polish American or Italian American or somebody from Ballast or a member of this church. It's politics. And when you turn politics into your ethnicity, than any compromises dish honor. You're dishonoring your ethnicis. And so when you ask so much of politics, you turn politics into this war of all against wall where there's no compromise. I mean, it's not really that satisfying. If you devote yourself to your community and your faith in

your family, these are actually emotionally satisfying things. The things that are bringing us together are the things that we hate, not the things that we love. Yeah, and it's important to make the distinction between tribalism and community. And community is mutual love of a thing. Tribalism is mutual hate of another. And so it feels first the community, but it's more like an addiction than an actual relationship. What can be done about this loneliness and isolation that has

prompted people to take these sides or join these armies. Yeah, well, in my view, it would help if we weren't being ripped a part on a data bay basis from the top of our society, so that that answers political But to me, this kind of isolation and loneliness can only be helped by at local level, at relationships, and by forming groups and getting active in groups, active in community organizations,

active in neighborhood organizations. You know, I was became a member of an extended group about six years ago, forty kids from d C who were like twenty and about eight of us who were older, and we had dinner every Thursday night for for five years, and we really got into each other's business and we learned to trust one another and we became sort of a chosen family, a forged family. And that's that's how I found community, and I think everybody tries to find something like that.

Do you think that the pandemic in some ways has added fuel to this partisan fire because people don't have enough to do and enough places to go in, enough activities to participate in. If we become it's increased the polarization. Yeah, I super felt that we underestimate the emotional toll this has taken on us, Like just the pleasure of going to a club and watching music. It's a lot of

pleasures have suddenly denied us. And then we're we're stuck looking at each other, the Twitter version of each other, not the real version of each other. And so you've seen the shocking rising depression. There was a poll out about the middle of this year where they ask people, have you young adults have you contemplated suicide in the last thirty days? Like a third hat And so we're just living at a time of tremendous just emotional stress, and it's showing up in all sorts of ways, especially

in politics. Can we talk about identity politics and how that has prohibited both a conversation about policy that allows for nuance and an environment that also allows for compromise. Yeah, I mean, if your identity is it stay, is its stake at your policy positions, then if you feel your identity threatened every moment and you can't compromise, and so if your identity is based somewhere else, then you're not

at stake. You're not at risk of annihilation. Uh. The other thing that I think has been worrying recently, we're being not very cheerful. But will trul um is just the idea that we can't really communicate with each other. I can never really understand your experience, and you can never really understand mine. We can't understand each other across difference. And I have great faith in reciprocal dialogue and conversation, in what you've spent your career doing, interviewing people like that.

When I was on this trip to understand the world and Trump voters, I really became convinced the interview. It's such a blessing on our profession. The interview is what helps us make contact with each other and learn about each other. And if we don't do that, and a lot of people don't, then you just don't know. You just don't know. And you can do all the academics sociological data you want, but if you don't do the interview, you don't know. And it's all punditry now, it's all uh,

commentary and punditry. And it distresses me that people aren't going out and talking to regular people. I mean, when is the last time you saw that except for the pro forma you know din our conversation during the primaries right now, I agree that don't not punetrate it to living Uh but um, yeah, no, I I you know, I wrote sixteen columns saying, don't worry, don't worry, Donald Trump will never get the Republican nomination. And at the time, I was working for The New York Times, living in

Washington and teaching at Yale. So I was in the cell in my whole life. So like, how can I get out of touch with America with those three things? So so I had to break out and spend time with people. And and now I I have a fair number of friends and even close family members who were supporting Donald Trump. And it's been useful because so many

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It's showing people that you are so intellectually involved that you can use words like interceptionality, decolonizing, and cultural appropriation, political correct Witness is not just a means for the less privilege to set standards of behavior. It is sometimes the way people with cultural power push others around. How can the left listen to the silent majority rather than patronize them. How do we find a national discourse? Yeah, I mean it's people take advantage of the power they have.

And wokenness is a movement that emerged out the universities, and it comes thick with university jargon. It comes thick with the belief that all words are power and you can't have a conversation. I'm just asserting my power with my words, and therefore my words need to be controlled. And that's me is wrong. Words are not power. Words are mutual explorations to find ways to live together and

be friends. Uh. And so the impulse to sensor words and use the power of your cultural position to silence others is not only in the universities, not only in the media. It's widespread. There was a study Americans say they're afraid to state their political opinions for fear that other people will shout them down. That's a lot of people. That's the majority of Americans who are afraid to be honest. And so I my friends, and I obviously I'm a

New York Times columnists. I'm in the precincts of cultural power, and a lot of people in those precincts don't appreciate how much power they have, and how like all power, it can corrupt you, and you can abuse it, and we abuse it when we try to use it to shout down and silence others. But don't you think the right wing is just as guilty. I mean, uh, you know, I I don't see many people going on Fox feeling comfortable expressing a different point of view. Oh no, they're

super right wing wokeness just as well. Let people get canceled on the right for not totally being with Donald Trump, for having some opinion, or you know, for being for gay marriage. I mean, there's um there wherever these days, there's um wokenness, or whether there's political extremism, there's intolerance of difference. And I do think there's woken us on

the right just as much as unlashed. I also am concerned that people can have a nuanced position that they can't support black lives matter and want to get to the root of systemic racism, but also appreciate what good police officers do and yet also see the need for police reform. It seems to me you have to pick one side or the other when you know all things may be true. Yeah, and I've admired Joe Biden for this, for saying, yes, we have systemic racism, but America is

still a very lovely country. Yes we want to black lives matter, but we also need some law and orders. So these are false binaries, and I think he's done a good job. There was a student group at University of Wisconsin this week who I think they took down the statue of Abraham Lincoln or they did something to cancel Abraham Lincoln. Like, you can take two things at once about Lincoln. One, by our standards, his views on race work not evolved, not correct. But you can also

realize that I gave his life to end slaver. Uh So he just tremendous good and over the course of his life, and you should be able to have both those things in your mind at the same time. And the same thing is happening to Thomas Jefferson, who established my alma mater, the University of Virginia. There's a culture war of sorts erupting there, with people feeling like he should not be sort of the patron saint of the university, somebody to be idolized. And there are those who say,

you know, don't mess with Jefferson, right. Yeah. My role on that is we should cancel somebody if the main thing they're known for is disgraceful. So yeah, there was a Calhoun College, right. I did a whole thing on this, and that was the determination what is the primary accomplishment of that individual? And for c. Calhoun, it really was perpetuating slavery, right, And Jefferson's writing The Decoration of Independence being president. And the difficult case is UM Washington and

Lee University. Uh really yeah, well, very fine school. I love love I've been there many times. I love that place. My view is Lee Washington. Lee became Washington League because Roberty Lee became president of the college after the Civil War, So maybe they're celebrating him for that, but other things like it. Virginia Military Institute right next door, they just took down the statue of Stonewall Jackson, and maybe that's legit.

It's it's tough for them because he was the great hero and he led the students of b M I out to battle. But maybe that's that stuff is a little shit. I I um my view as the statues, the Confederate statues, some of them should come down, but mostly we should just prep other statues statues that Memora Memora memorialize those who are victims of lynch, who led the fight for reconstruction, for abolition, for civil rights, that both to see them contextualized a little more than towards now.

I know that's one option. I sort of feel that they should be taken down if they're in a prominent position, because to me, statues in public spaces telegraph the values of that community. So I think it's kind of hard to have both. But I I take your point because I know some people feel that way. I think they should belong in museums and be explained as a really critical part of our history, but not necessarily as the centerpiece of the community. Yeah, I see that where I

live in Washington. See, I'm right near a thing called Lincoln Park, and there's a statue which was put up by former slaves of Lincoln towards Lincoln in homage of them. But it's him standing over a kneeling African American slave who's breaking free. The first time I saw that, I thought, what is that doing? They're like, why is the African Raican guy kneeling in Lincoln's But it was It was put up by uh And I've had long debates with people in the park about that statue, And at first

I thought, well, it was an historical moment. Frederick Douglas did a very famous speech right there. Um, but I think it's probably going to museum. Maybe. Your colleague Morning Down wrote about how it's exhausting to be this outraged all the time, and we do seem to be in a permanent state of anger and outrage, lashing out of people who probably have much more in common with us than we realized. And you say, permanent indignation is not

a healthy emotional state. How do we deescalate this anger and how do we prevent this from being our default emotion? Because it seems like it's been this way for quite a while now. Yeah, Well, I mean, if Biden wins, he's just less outrageous than Donald Trump, whatever you think of his views. And he's what really struck me as remember that a couple of weeks ago they both had town halls at the same time, and you knew going in that Biden's was going to be more boring than Trump's,

and indeed it was. But more people watch Bidens than

watch Trumps. And that said to me that people are ready for a little bored, a little bored I'm a little normal political discussion, and I do think a if Biden wins, we wanted to think about the presidency all the time and be frankly, for a lot of us, it's easy clickbait to just outrage about Trump all the time, and maybe politics will be less central and we can go I like, I prefer writing about culture than I do to politics, but I can't do that now because

people only read one subdact, which is politics. So I'd love to be able to go back and write about cultural stuff and moral stuff and emotional stuff. And I think we were all just blood pressure would just go down. I thought we could talk a little bit about weavers

and what you're doing with that. Yeah, weavers are people who are at the local level building community that One of them, for example, is again Ponchoguilas who uh he takes a documented immigrants who have broken their backs, have been paralyzed by construction accidents, and he gives them wheelchairs and diapers and catheters so they can lead lives with dignity. And then he organized and they all become a social workers.

So you'll be in a neighborhood and fifty Latino guys and wheelchairs will roll in your neighborhood to do good work for you. Uh. And so those people are everywhere we go, you know. At the We've project, we go around the country. We land in a little town McCook, Nebraska, Wilkes, North Carolina, and we say who's trusted here, And immediately we find seventy people, five people who are just loved their town and they want to serve it, and they do.

And what we We've do is we try to lift them up, maybe give them some resources, connecting with each other, make them more powerful figures in our society so we can all sort of copy them a little. David how

can Trump supporters and Biden supporters learn to respect one another? Yeah, repeating back to each other what we believe, Like, here's why I tell me if I'm right, here's why, I think you believe what you believe, And and just having a conversation that way have people basically want respect and a lot of people feel invisible. When I would go to the Midwest years ago, once a week i'd hear, oh you guys, regardless as fly over country, and then two years ago that I heard that eight times a day.

People just don't feel seen. They feel they're ignored and look down upon. And if you you know by I think you show respect to Trump voters and who follow you. And that's the first step, is showing basic respect. And of course we're going to disagree that that's called democracy, but we disagreeing with a show of affection and respect and with a sense that we all do love the same country. Uh. And I think a lot of people are voting for Trump are afraid that we don't all

love the same country. We don't all love our country, and some people just want to run it down and change it. Uh. And I think combined again, it's done a good job of saying, Hey, I love America. This is the America is my country, and if we have that mutual affection, then we have some up income. Hey listeners, I'll be back in just a few days with my

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