¶ Intro / Opening
I do not want to start this episode off in a negative light , but it is really really , really freaking hard to juggle personal life and professional life , because the thing that you feel needs to be the priority is almost always going to get all of your time , and then the other part that you're not focusing on is going to get worse , and then it just gets
overwhelming and it compounds and it's a whole freaking thing .
There's someone I'm thinking of who is very professionally developed , very successful in corporate , but not very personally developed and not very successful in their intimate relationship or in their interpersonal relationships relationships .
Then there's other people who are unbelievably well-developed internally vulnerability , courage , humility , great in their intimate relationship , but they're not successful in the professional realm and you need both .
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What's winning , personal or professional life ? Had to go to the DMV yesterday . The Department of Motor Vehicles had to renew the old license . Get the new license so I can travel , whatever , whatever . Shout out to my wonderful wife , taryn , set it all up , got the . She said , made the appointments for us . She's the fucking best .
But I had to wrap my day up at like 3 30 to go because that was the latest appointment I think they had because they only worked till 5 . Shout out to them and we walk in and there's a line out the fucking door again . Shout out to taryn for scheduling us on appointments , appreciate that . So we get to go up and it was a lot quicker .
It only took probably 45 minutes . All things considered . That's really good . But I had a moment where it was like I never would have done that unless taryn planned it . I know myself as humbly as humanly possible . I wouldn't have done it . I wouldn't have done it , I would have waited .
Have done it , I would have waited and I would have put it off and I would have waited . We have four weddings in August . I have to get my suit pants tailored it's on my list .
You guys have four weddings in August .
¶ When responsibilities start stacking
Yeah , oh no , I told you this summer is going to be a rough one for me . I've already planned it all out . Trust , trust me , I'm on it , I promise . Oh my goodness .
But that's one of the reasons I thought this would be a really good episode is because the rest of the time it hasn't been that bad I just rsvp'd uh , regretfully , to a wedding that I would have loved to go to , but I said I had to prioritize the business . I understand . I understand these are non-negotiations .
These , I mean one of the best man in , so you can't really .
Yeah , yeah , I'm not , can't really skip that one .
Four others though .
Three others .
Three others . Three others .
Yeah , they're family .
Non-negotiations ? They're yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , all non-negotiations . So that rash is coming back and tyron's like you gotta make an appointment I . What I first need to do is I need to figure out whether or not I have to pay the 450 my insurance company charged me for the last time I went , even though I pay 450 a month for insurance .
You think it'd make just like wash out somewhere . I gotta call them . I'm not going back if I gotta pay 400 bucks , so I gotta call to see if that's taken care of . Until that's done , I'm not making a fucking appointment and there are certain things that just keep getting pushed off .
If I , if I sent you a picture of the office right now , oh my god picture I saw on social was so nice yeah that was eight months ago . That was a long time ago . That was a long time ago . I had to dig back in my yeah , that was not today , oh , okay I didn't know that .
I was like no , he was nice and clean shaven . I don't think that's no .
I shaved the other day , but my desk is not bad , but like everything else is , because it's just . I had a wake to go to last week . I took all of my dress clothes out of the closet because I haven't worn dress clothes in a fucking year . They're over there still . I I gotta put them back in the closet . It's a whole thing .
I am struggling so bad right now with juggling personal and professional , because the professional just matters more in terms of the specific results I am aspiring to , and it's just fucking brutal . It's just brutal , so I figured it would be cool to do an episode on it , because that this is what we want , this is what I aspire to .
My fucking light just blew out for some reason , so I'm gonna have to fix that at some point
¶ Personal wins Vs. Professional gains
throw that on the list . It's a minor . It's a minor light . We aspire health , wealth and love , aspire to it . But personal and professional is a little bit different because it crosses over in different ways . And yeah , yeah , I thought it would make for an interesting episode .
Answer which one you're 35 , which one give me the theme . So give me from zero to five , five to ten , ten to fifteen , fifteen to twenty , twenty five , zero to five . I shit myself often and which one were you ?
more focused on personal or professional . I drank my bubba . Personal uh , personal , crushing it . Yeah , yeah , five , zero to five . Personal , five to ten . Personal , 10 to 15 . Personal , 15 to 20 .
Personal , 20 to 25 professional , probably professional , yeah , 25 to 30 professional , 30 to 35 , 30 to 35 professional , and then , you know , 35 to 40 is obviously going to be super professional , but the personal is stacking faster . That's the thing is like now . The professional is stacking super quick .
There's so much going on great , super , super grateful , privileged , awesome , love it but now the personal thing is stacking faster than it ever has to , because there's other stuff that you can only go so long without washing the towels yeah , of course you can only go so long without , whatever the thing is , or going grocery shopping , whatever , yeah , that there's
so many of those .
Of course there's so many of those . You know , I don't feel like people ever were clear enough . And again , of course , I have this thing why weren't we taught more ? It blows my mind . It always will , it always will . Yeah , if you want more success , you must also want more responsibility . I'm thinking of someone who has seven properties .
We have a project list for the entire summer and there's a lot on it . I don't believe it . I have one property . So many projects , too much . Emilia wanted to do real estate . In the past she was a real estate agent . She wanted to buy Airbnb . No , nope , and we talked about it . I didn't say no , that sounded wrong . We talked about it .
It's like you know what ? Maybe not ? Let's build our three businesses and let's stick with that . And here's my point . I think there's this weird thing where people want results without the responsibility . I have two cats and a dog . People always , and some some parents , do this .
They complain about their kids and it's like why are you complaining about your children ? You wanted children . What did you think ? It was going to be easy .
¶ Neglect ruins everything
I think about that all the time .
I think you can't have children and not want the responsibility that comes with having children . There's an upside and a downside to everything . Genuinely , I always think about everything's an iceberg . There's above the surface and below the surface . You want to get married Great . There's a responsibility . You have to earn that every single day .
You want to buy a house Okay , there's a mortgage . There's projects . You have to take care of it .
You ever see one of those houses that's been completely engulfed , like jumanji , because that that house isn't going to be worth anything I'm excited because one day I'll be able to go scoop that thing up , say , hey , I'll take this off your hands yeah , and then you're gonna have to jumanji that fucking .
Well , I'm gonna have to pay someone because I I can't do it for sure .
that's what I'm saying . So all things neglected neglect destroys all things . Neglected neglect destroys all things . It does destroy destroys all things personal , professional . If I were to go through my timeline , professional was always the priority , always , but I think that's because goals require when it comes to your career .
I actually think there's a huge disconnect Challenge for everyone out there watching or listening From now on , just for a week , maybe a couple days , when you meet someone personal or professional , on just for a week , maybe a couple days , when you meet someone personal or professional , you crossed the chasm .
Recently , most people I remember I had a mentor and he met kev and I remember him behind the scenes was like why , kev ? And of course , dude , honestly , with all love , like of course he's gonna say that right , look , if you're listening right now .
I want you to know that I was in better shape than you , good sir , and I had something worth something . It was very hidden and it was under a lot of dirt . There was a diamond in there somewhere , I assure you .
And he didn't mean it negatively , he just he was actually asking . He was actually saying and I said he works like a workhorse . That was my justification Workhorse , dude grinds Way more than anyone you have working for you , sir , and that's true . That is true . What else did I say ?
No , the truth is , in the professional sense , kev didn't have a lot going for him . You didn't have a resume . You don't have a college degree . You don't have a master's degree . You don't have a resume . You don't have a college degree . You don't have a master's degree . You don't cover letter , linkedin . You don't even have a fucking LinkedIn .
¶ Why professional skills still matter
I'm not trying to be a dick , but you weren't going to win in the professional realm outside of certain things , and that's okay . Like I just wish people think I'm such a fucking asshole and it's like listen , I'm not . I actually care enough to tell you . I care enough to tell you you need a resume , you need a cover letter , you need a LinkedIn .
You need to ask someone how to build a resume and a cover letter . There's courses you can take . Like you have to be a professional in this world If you want to have a great career .
You have to go to career development , and I remember I went to career development in my college and they taught me how to build a resume and I went to career fairs Like I didn't just results , don't just , oh , I just got another job . This is awesome . That doesn't . It's not how it works .
So , at the end of the day , I've always been very professional and career oriented , so I'm on the very high end of that and so , yes , I'm a little preachy when it comes to that , like your future . I said this to a couple we were just coaching . I said , listen , you guys want to retire one day and not have to work .
You're still going to work , they've said that , but you want to not have to work . I said let me teach you how to do it . You build wealth now and eventually you accumulate enough wealth where the interest from your investments pays you a salary , and that salary I crunched the numbers .
If you can accumulate $3 million in investments , which is doable I can show you the math it's totally doable , especially in the US . You can . 8% year over year is $240,000 . You can just siphon that right off the snowball and now you never have to work again .
That's not that hard to do if , if you're focused on your career and investing and you earn more , spend less and invest the difference . There are a lot of wealthy people out there that aren't actually that much more capable than you . They just did something you didn't . And last piece , I'll share this . I said how long have you guys ?
Because they opened up the Relationship Talks coaching session . We help people achieve their dreams in their relationship and , by the way , married couples , it's way easier together . It's exponentially easier when you have a partner that you're certain about . It's unbelievable . What I can achieve with Emilia has blown my mind compared to what I could do alone .
It's been really cool , but anyways . So the male in the relationship said alan , teach me about money . I want to like how do we build wealth ? I was like I thought you'd never fucking ask . It's so exciting . And we went through the whole thing and I said how old are you ? How long have you guys ?
Because they they see people on instagram and facebook and they see their friends vacations and boats and all this stuff . I said two things . Number one , a lot of those people are in debt and their future self is paying for that stuff .
And number two , a lot of it is generational wealth Genuinely their families , inheritance , generational wealth , businesses , investments , properties like generational wealth's a big thing and you can research that . I said this . I said how long has it been since you ? You guys have really really had your shit together in finance .
And the female said when we bought the house . I said well , how long you had the house ? She said 14 months . I said okay , so about a year . She said yeah . He said for me , I got out of debt completely like five or six years ago . Five , he said five years ago I was 24 . He's 29 now . I said okay , so you guys are only six .
Your financial age is six . You're like a little toddler running around . You guys , you haven't built wealth yet . You're only six . That's okay . See , in their mind they're 29 and 28 . Yeah , that's a good way to look at it . Nice , Thank you you nearly said the same thing .
¶ Understanding your financial age
But I know someone else who their father created an investment account when they were born for their college and she invested 20% of her income from when she was 14 , and he put in money every month until she was in her mid-20s and now she's going to be a multimillionaire . She's 14 now and when she's 30 , she'll be a millionaire in financial age .
So their financial age , combined financial age , is only 6 . That's what people don't realize is most people don't even have their finances even remotely buttoned up until 30 . And I think that that's to bring this back to the professional versus personal . Personal life is about quality of life . Personal life is about your intimate relationship .
Personal life is about what shoes you wear and what clothing you wear and where you go to eat food and where you vacation , and that is one facet of life , but that cannot be the majority . If you want to be successful , you better be focused on your professional career . We are professional podcasters . I'm a coach , a trainer and a speaker .
I'm a CEO of a future of a company that has grossed more than a million dollars .
I need to lead with that if I want to be successful , that I have skills and I don't want to see people I adore suffer any longer out of the ignorance of thinking that the professional side doesn't matter , because it matters just as much , if not more , than the personal side .
I think it does matter more , because the professional life is what allows you to have a good personal life . Well said .
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Realistically right . I did .
I said to Kev earlier . Uh , younger , what age Cause ? Nobody sold you on this ?
I don't think you could have . I was anti , like I was anti , do what everybody else was doing . You could have said Kev , go to college and when you get out of college 10 years from now , you make a million dollars a year . I don't think I would have done it .
I genuinely don't think I would have . What if they thought you financed ?
I mean , yeah , I think that would have been helpful . I don't know , it's hard for me because it's like I think it had to happen in the way it happened , in a way you could sell you on it for sure it's not . It's not that I couldn't sell me on it , but it took me this long to get to the place where I'd be able to sell me on it .
So I don't know if I think it had to happen in the way it had to happen . I do I'm not .
I'm not saying we're changing it , I'm saying okay , there's . There's someone who's not kevin , who's similar to kevin , who's 20 years old and has spent the first four , five year spans , like you , in the beginning of this episode , only focused on personal . What do you say to that man ? Because that man wouldn't even talk to me .
¶ Filter fun, build your future
He would have if you dumbed it down a little bit Fair . If you said , Kev , you're only six in finance years , I'd be like fuck , yeah , that's true , no , you were zero . Yeah , you were just born , You're a newborn . You can't even lift your head up yet . I don't know . Man , you gotta put a filter on the fun , you gotta put it .
And again , all things considered , I was I'm not , I was fucked , I was in a lot of trouble , but I did work really , really hard and I was super consistent with my like . I worked night shifts cleaning a hospital like working at a hospital , cleaning bathrooms and floors and cleaning beds after people passed away .
When I was 20 I don't even know if I was 20 yet 19 , 19 to 20 in the 19 to 21 span . I was doing that when all my friends were away , either at college or coming back from college , getting like trying to get their real jobs . That was something that I had I had been doing , so I don't I .
What a blast from the past what a blast from the past . Yeah , I watched world double dare last night remember double dare I don't think , I I don't know nickelodeon oh my god , I remember nickelodeon and I go way back . It was on youtube .
Hey arnold , hey arnold yeah I watched rugrats like a few months ago . I've just been in a nostalgia place . It would . It would just be watching rugrats . I just had to see .
I just had to see , yeah , the rugrats movie .
I remember seeing it yeah , rugrats in paris yeah that see , you know the deal . I don't know what I would say .
I would probably say you've got to put a filter on fun , because if you max out the fun meter now again , I always use the video game analogy Like when you're building a character , you can give them super strength or they can be super fast or whatever If you put all of your eggs into the fun basket , you're going to get to a place where those eggs are
going to be dead and there's nothing else to put in the fun basket and you're not going to be able to replenish it . That's kind of my thought , I . But outside of that I did work hard and I did think I was going to be . I thought eventually I'd get to a place where I was successful if I just kept working my way up .
¶ From rock bottom to success
I was convinced I then I was like this is a really interesting conversation , because I do think , yeah , I think , I figured something out , not this level , no god , no , no , I probably would have stayed at that . I either would have stayed at that job or I would have fucking killed myself . One of the two , look , all right , it's my story .
I know I had suicidal ideations .
You say I know , I understand , let me let me clarify . Let me clarify , yeah I am .
I am not lessening that , I am not making fun of that at all , but those , honestly , are the two things that I either would have . I can't imagine ever leaving that job and going to something else that wasn't this .
Just for an FYI for the listeners who are new . Kevin has an interesting relationship with mortality and whenever he faces any past pain or trauma , he always smiles . He laughs . One time I was crying on the podcast and he had to pinch himself to make sure he didn't start laughing .
It is again . I have a lot to work on in therapy . That will be one of the things . For sure . It's just a defense mechanism . It happens all the time . Like tyron , I'll be having a serious conversation .
I'm like , don't fucking laugh , dude , like you're gonna fuck this whole thing up don't laugh because you're you're about to smirk I know I can see it coming on . I know it was . It was very serious . I can't imagine . I cannot imagine leaving that job . I can't imagine ever going back . I was thinking of this recently .
I remember my ex-girlfriend at the time went to Whole Foods no Wegmans and I was paying for groceries at the time and I remember we checked out it was like $650 for groceries and I was like , yeah , checked out , it was like 650 bucks for groceries . And I was like , yeah , whatever cool , here's , here's the card , run it .
And I didn't even , I did not have to think twice at all about it . Yeah , I'm excited now again . Will I ever actually get to that place again ? No , because my awareness is high enough to realize , like well , that 650 could be 580 if you exchange some of the name brand shit for the off brand shit .
But I was just thinking of that and how I just it felt so good to have so much certainty , even though most of it was just ignorance , not certainty . Now I have so much certainty , but it's hyper awareness , you know you .
I saw . I remember this is in the early days , probably seven years ago , and I said to kev dude this , it's crazy how ignorant we were . We were in the studio and I said , kev , everyone has a linkedin . He said , dude fucking nobody has nobody .
Nobody . Nobody I spend time with has a linkedin brother . Every person I went to school with well , of course you went to a goddamn technical college .
I know , I know , I didn't realize , like I remember when you said I don't even know if I know an engineer yeah yeah , that's the professional thing . Most corporations have engineers there that build things dude me .
It would have been like do you know anybody who , like casually , does cocaine on the weekends ? No , I do . I know a bunch of people actually . Well then , I'm a weird bird because I'm not saying I wasn't one of them .
No , no , hell yeah , I knew both uh for sure , and some of them in corporate . Believe it or not , I do believe it , but at the end of the day , real quick . That is how you and I merged worlds . It was so weird , dude , we used to . We used to call them m's and e's people that are logical versus emotional .
¶ Be strong in both realms
And , yeah , corporation conscientiousness , professional structured discipline , metrics , habits , career orientation , goal orientation that's a very certain type of person and here's what I really hope for everybody out there watching or listening . If you're on the personal side and that comes naturally great , you've got to work on the professional side , got to .
And if you're on the professional side , like I was , I had to work on the internal stuff . I had to really work on myself . I had to get to know myself . I already understood how the world worked and that kind of stuff .
And again , not fully obviously , but if you had to pick one personal or professional , I was way more professionally developed than I was personally developed . You were way more personally developed than you were professionally developed .
In the 21st century you have to be ambidextrous , you have to be , you have to be personally developed to win in the real world with your real husband or wife , whoever it is , with your kids , with your family , with your family's family , with your friends , your colleagues , like real world . You have to be personally developed , but you better have a career too .
You got to . You got to be professionally developed too . There are two sides of the same coin if you want to be fulfilled and successful and holistic and wholesome . So again , at the end of the day , I think it's a great conversation and I think all of us can be if you're righty , work on your left .
Maybe your right will always be stronger , but you can still dribble with your left and vice versa . If you're lefty , work on your right and it'll open up a whole new world for you . For sure , definitely .
A ton of opportunities and I don't know how to do the other side . I don't know if you're super professional , how to do better at personal . I don't know if I would even know how to advise that Vulnerability .
Well , I'm talking more like how do you get , how do I get all the stuff that has to get done in the business and professional realm and then also the stuff that has to get done the personal realm again . Well , we can do a different episode at some point .
We won't dive into it because I know we're running along , but but that's where this whole thing came from . It's like dude , I'm crushing everything here , but my personal to-do list is piling up . It's like when the when the hell am I gonna do that ? When am I gonna do that ? Like I have to do the dishes . It's eight , it's 8 , 15 and again .
This is like a really good problem to have . Again , all things considered , there are far worse positions to be in . But the dishes are . I have a tower coming out of the sink right now . It is over the fucking . It's bad , gotta go do it . If I didn't have a wife , that shit would never get done and it would be really bad .
Like I would , I would be recycling plates . It's like that's was that ketchup or blood that looks like ketchup . Throw the taco on there , don't worry about that . So yeah , it's . There's just so much . There's just an influx .
When there's an influx of both , you're gonna go with the one that seems like it's the most important in the short run , and the other one's gonna stack up always , always , always . You're , you're on the beach with a margarita , your work emails , ting , ting , ting , they're stacking , they're stacking , you're doing your emails .
But there's something else , especially if you're a parent . I can can only imagine stacking up . So , yeah , I don't have an answer . This probably is one of those episodes that creates more problems than anything .
But I see you and I feel you and I support you and , uh , I understand to the degree I can understand if you're , if you're dealing with it right now , in real time .
I kid you not . Emilia is excited for a night with me and she said she was . Do I have permission to barge into your office and stop you from working past eight o'clock ? And it's 8 15 now . So my professional life is winning right now in this moment and my personal life is taking a hit , and that is the law of trade-offs .
That is what it is to have responsibilities . So let's get the fuck out of here . Let's get out of here .
All right , if you are looking for a group of people who are going through what you're going through to some degree , alan and myself included . It might be in a different way at a different time , whatever , but I'm struggling with this right now and that's what NLU is and that's what it's built on is we have not arrived , we will never arrive .
We are striving forever and that means we're going through it with you . We have a private Facebook group called Next Level Nation . We'll have the link in the show notes below .
Also , we have a meetup coming up Let me pull this up here in July . Ah , habits , building , winning habits how habits work , building winning habits how habits work and how to sustain great ones . Kevin and I have been focused on this for eight years . 10 years ago I started these little black notebooks .
I have them over in the corner of my office where I would track habits . And now we do it all in Google Sheets and we have metrics and habits and all kinds of stuff . But it all started simply with I remember I did this exercise called the three column exercise . The first column was all my negative habits .
The second column was all my neutral habits and then the third column was all the habits that I wanted to build . And I remembered I would try to replace column A , one from column A , and put a new one in column B . So , for example , I quit drinking and I started weight training .
That's a perfect example that one habit of replacing drinking with weight training has changed my whole freaking life . Because what's the worst thing you can do for building muscle ? Drinking alcohol , one of the worst things . And so come join us , build winning habits that your future self will thank you for . The link to register will be in the show notes
¶ Outro
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