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I think one of the hardest things to understand about relationships is love just does not conquer all .
It's fun to say that it looks really good in movies , but going to a counselor or a relationship therapist does not guarantee you and your partner are going to work , just like going and getting surgery does not guarantee that you are going to be healthy after , and I think that's just a very unfortunate truth that we all have to get to at some point .
Emilia and I have been coaching couples some married , some new , some honeymoon phase , some power struggle phase , some commitment stage all the different walks of life and what we've come to find is that some couples actually should not end up together .
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I was editing a client's video the other day and they were talking about how , prior to one of their divorces prior to their divorce they've only been divorced once they had a therapist and they had a counselor and they were going every week and they were going every week and eventually the therapist said look , you guys can come every week and you can keep paying
me and you can keep sitting through these sessions , but fundamentally , you guys are just different people and , honestly , I think you want to go in different directions and you just haven't come to terms with that yet . And it was a really powerful story because one I don't think a lot of people have that level of experience and honesty .
This is an old this client's 69 years of age , so they have a lot of wisdom and they've had a lot of experience . But I think that's something that a lot of us don't want to look at .
We don't want to look at the fact that maybe the partner you're with right now is not the partner you're supposed to be , no matter how much work you put in , no matter how much effort you put in , no matter how much they support you , no matter how much you grow , whatever , it just might not be right Because there are things underneath the surface that just
aren't going to align . If you are diverting , if you're going in different directions and you both want to go in different directions , that relationship most likely is not going to succeed . I think what you'll hear a lot of people say is well , I had really big goals and my partner didn't want to come along for the ride .
I think that's a different conversation . I think there's a difference between not wanting to do it at all and going in the opposite direction and coming along for the ride . I think those are two very , very different things and obviously we can dive into that .
But I think this is one of those important things that we come to terms with and we admit you can do all the right things , you can do all the work , you can read all the books .
That does not guarantee your relationship will be successful , because there are just some people who are not supposed to be together , and all I mean by supposed to be together is there's somebody better out there for you that would meet your needs in a different way , that would support you in a different way , and that different way might be the way that you
actually want to be supported and you want to have your needs met .
We talked about alignment . Was that the last episode ? The ?
last episode was alignment .
¶ The “alignment” road trip metaphor
Yes , Okay , alignment is again . The compass is a good metaphor for this . True north , aligned At all times , you and your intimate partner . And again , going off the four years experience , I have coaching couples and then I've also been in four long-term relationships , all two years plus . How old are we , holy crap ?
well , 75 of those did not succeed , right . So that's a fact and fair . Don't worry about the first three , worry about the last one there's the proof .
So at all times , kevin and myself , emilia and myself any business , partnership , intimate relationship , any relationship , really , you are either converging , which means you're growing together , you're diverging , you're growing apart , or you're running in parallel , and you don't really run in parallel for very long , and so alignment is the question .
I've often used this metaphor before . Imagine Emilia and I and this is a metaphor , so bear with me . We get in the car , we drive across the country . We're actually going to do a road trip at some point . I used to be in the car with you .
I was the guy .
This is about intimate relationships . Oh , so I got to use Emilia , so I just fucking walk though A hundred percent by yourself , sir .
Fucking walk though 100 by yourself , sir . Somebody pick me up , if you're seeing the side of the road .
Please scoop me up , don't let me walk . Emily and I were actually going to be taking a road trip in 2025 to either wyoming or colorado or something like that , but anyways , so we get in the car . Let's say we're going to from boston to los angeles . The only reason I say that is because I actually did that and I have some information of the geography .
Okay , so we're going from Boston to Los Angeles . Five-day drive . You can stretch it to four if you are hardcore , like we were back in the day . Three routes Northern route , middle route , southern route , all right . Now imagine Emilia and I are going to drive across the country . She loves the warm weather and I want to see the mountains .
Core value in conflict , right Now . Let's imagine I want to listen to hardcore rap and she wants to listen to country music . And imagine I can't stand country music . Again , core value in conflict . One more let's say she wants to stop in Wyoming and see an elk .
Yeah , just a singular elk , just one , kevin's with me so far Yep , and I don't like elks , I'm scared of them . So she has a goal in conflict . She wants to see an elk . I don't want to . I want to see armadillos out in the desert or whatever . Yeah , again , metaphor here core beliefs , core values , core aspirations in conflict , goals and values .
I want to talk about goals and values . Kevin and I have similar goals and we have similar core values . There are certain things that our core values are in conflict and that's why he and I have to work and integrate those , emilia and I . She has a core value for adventure . I have a core value for fitness .
We both share it a little bit , but I don't care about adventure nearly as much as her . So we have to either go our separate ways , which I absolutely do not want to do , or we have to find a way to integrate some things you just can't integrate . I told Kev early on uh , probably early on 2025 .
I said , brother , I feel bad , I'm dragging you up this mountain . I need to make sure you want to climb this thing , because mount everest is fucking brutal and I just need to make sure that I feel guilty . I feel guilty that you have to work so goddamn much and you're like nah man but I said for me ,
¶ When values and goals clash
this isn't a choice . I have to do this with or without you . I want to do it with you , but I need to make sure you want this and everything that comes with it . And so , again , the point here is do you and your intimate partner have goals in conflict or core values in conflict ? One of two things needs to happen .
Either number one you identify it and then integrate , like Emilia and I have . When that happened , I remember I had a list of 10 values when Emilia and I first met and adventure was on there and kev was like bullshit , bullshit .
So we've integrated that one I remember back in the day when I was on the dating apps , everybody liked to hike everybody . That was everybody's hobby was hiking ? I don't think so I don't think so .
it's just one of those things you put . You always put that Well , it's like I've been Everyone's outdoorsy .
I've been on hikes yeah , okay , cool , yeah , awesome . I've been to the hospital . That doesn't mean I'm there all the time and I like it yeah , cool . Now there's some people that are hikers . I was never that . I've told this story before and again , this isn't an intimate partner . This is a friend .
Eventually it got to a point where I wasn't willing to do the work anymore to keep this person in my life , because I wanted to work on me and I wanted to work on my goals and my dreams , and it felt like that was me building a silo away from this other person and I had to leave that to go visit them .
And it was always super hard because this person was the type of person that wanted to support and they always would say well , if you ever need me , you ever need support , I got you . It's like I mean this with all the love in the world . There just isn't that much you can support me with , because we're just go .
We're in two very , very different areas of life and we have two very , very different experiences and you have things that I don't and a family that I don't in different ways , and I think the support you needed was in business and success .
That person isn't going to support you in that way .
The support I think I needed was the understanding of the amount of pressure that I was actually under , even though I had no results to show for it . I mean , at that point I remember very vividly you and I went to New Jersey with Isabel Picard to interview Eric Legrand and I remember coming home home and I was like this was the best thing ever .
This is amazing . Outside of that , I have nothing to show for anything we're doing and I just remember getting supported . But I could just tell it was like we were kind of speaking different languages and they just didn't understand the language that I was speaking and I wanted to learn this new language more than I wanted to have the other
¶ Feeling misunderstood and unsupported
one .
Was this the situation ship ?
No , no , this was a friend . Okay , yeah , that's . I mean , we can talk about that , but that was completely different .
Well , so Kevin and I want to bring this as candidly and as practically as possible . There are past partners , so I've had four long-term relationships . One was four and a half years , one was five years . That one was actually pretty great .
One of them was two and a half two we'll call it two and this one has been five and is by far the best , not close . This is the first time where it's yep , 100 , 100 .
This is like the most compatible thing I've ever had , and once you have compatible , you realize how incompatible the previous ones were and I'm very grateful that my trajectory went from decent to really good , to really bad , to ridiculously beyond my wildest dreams good . And one of the things that I'll make as clear as possible is Emilia .
When I first met her had larger goals than me On her own accord , and that was my prerequisite , and therefore I knew she'd have to be more driven . I knew she'd understand how hard I have to work . I mean I worked till 8 pm or later , all of last week , all of last week , and she has been nothing but supportive .
She literally said we're going to the lake this weekend . She said if you don't want to come , I totally understand . You have an event coming up , it's peak week . In the past that shit would have never flown . But she's an achiever , she gets it and so I feel seen , understood , valued and appreciated .
Just the other night she said I'm so proud of you , I'm so grateful for how hard you work for us , and she knows what that takes . And I never felt that way in the past , where it's like I don't know if anyone really fully understands what this takes unless they're also doing it .
And that goes for everything , right , I mean , if you , I remember when I did some plumbing , when our plumbing broke and her father came over and helped . It was fucking terrible and I was like this is fucking brutal . Kudos to the plumbers . Huh , I mean , this is , this is not good , this is not good . I don't . I don't want to do this at all .
And it was six hours and it was just nonstop and it's okay . Wow , I okay , wow . I'll never not respect plumbers and what they do . Everything's harder than I think you think , everything . I'm convinced of that . And what's my point ? My point is is from the outside , looking in ceo , start a company , build it , all that stuff , podcasting .
She's a podcaster who's building her own company . So she understands me , she understands what this takes , she , she respects what we do way more than someone off the street because she's she's trying to do it too . It's . It's a lot more than people realize .
And again , not making it about me , but for anyone out there watching or listening how seen , understood , valued and appreciated do you feel by your partner and how compatible are you really ? Because I can put in very minimal effort and my relationship flourishes .
In the past I used to put so much effort in to the point where kevin was like , dude , what the fuck are you doing ? At one point and it didn't matter . I could put in level 10 effort and I get no , it didn't make the relationship
¶ How effort feels in aligned vs. misaligned relationships
any better .
But it wasn't always what that person valued , and I think that's a big because . So it would be very easy . It actually was , though . Well , they were just a terrible person . If it would be very easy for me to say well , I definitely have to put more work into mine than you do , For sure , For it to flourish , but it makes sense .
We're different people and I think that's .
Taryn's , not an entrepreneur .
Yeah , and has different needs . Quality time is higher . I knew that right . I told her yesterday , the day before . I said just FYI , the next week is going to be terrible for me it's gonna be absolutely horrible . I said we , not only are we launching the biggest client ever , but it's peak week for the event . It's gonna be . It's gonna suck pretty bad .
And she said what can I do ? And I said just give me grace , that's it . I don't need , I don't feel like I really need anything else because it's all in front of me . I can see it all . It's just a matter of I'm going to be in the office a lot and I don't . You know , dinner with pops probably isn't going to happen .
It's just going to be one of those weeks . That's cool . That's exactly what I need . I don't necessarily need someone to come with a bunch of solutions . I mean , I can come to you for that . That's one of the things that you and I have , which is wonderful . I think that's just an important piece of it is .
I think in the past it would have been way easier for me to say okay , if you're somebody who has a very big goal and you're with somebody who doesn't really care about it , that way , like they're not trying to change the world in a massive way , they're trying to change the world in their way and maybe your ambition is higher , it's going to require you to
work more . As long as you can meet in the middle with needs , I think you're okay , but that takes way more work .
Yeah , because inherently I can't think my way is the best way , just like the other person can't think their way is the best way , because all that's suggesting is I'm going to move more in that direction and they're going to move more in that direction . I don't think it is .
If your goals require you to move even more in your direction . That's exactly what that is . So you just told Taryn and this is a really good practical example of hey , this week's going to suck my goals require that ? Yes , and if she wasn't okay with that , that would be a goal in conflict .
Well , and I feel like it's checking in on again now if every week , if every week was like that , that would be an issue 100% . And if every week was like ?
this with Amelia . It would be an issue too , Right right , but it would take longer for that to be a problem than it would for but at least we know that the quality of time is much lower .
Yes , yes , but at least we know that . Again , that's when Tara and I first got together . I said how many weeks out of the month can I travel ? And it be okay , and that was one of the questions I asked . And she said I feel like if you were gone one week every month , I feel like that would be okay .
Anything more than that , I think , would get pretty rough . I was like , yeah , that's fair . Imagine being away half the month every month . Now things have changed and now everything's virtual , which is great . But the reason I wanted to know what is your requirement for lack of better phrasing , what is your desire for lack of better phrasing ?
Because I want to make sure that I can actually meet that Well , it's not even desire .
Desire would be having you home all the time , but what's the minimum ?
standard . Where's your boundary ?
Yeah , yeah , yeah . Where's your boundary ? What's your ?
boundary . But those conversations can suck because I think a lot of times we're afraid to hear the truth . Luckily I asked it in the beginning , which there was no proof , there was no rapport breaks . It's not like I was away at the time . I asked that
¶ Real talk about settling Vs. Being intentional
pretty early on .
But yeah , the situationship that you had . How obvious is it to you now that that would never work ?
Now it's super obvious , but at the time I was trying to get I was lonely as shit and but you knew back then that it wouldn't work long-term right . I wasn't thinking about it long-term . I wasn't thinking about it long-term .
Is it because , intuitively , you knew it wouldn't work long term ?
no , it was just . I just am so lonely probably was the best word . So I don't , I'm not even thinking . It's like I'm going to . I know this isn't the right part to fix what's broken , but I'm gonna run it for now and we'll see what happens . There wasn't that much thought . I was not very intentional and I was . I didn't understand this .
I was thinking about this the other day . I remember again , I've made a lot of fucking mistakes . I remember this person would be at work and I would go over to their place early because it was like an hour drive . I was like I'll just go over there early and work and I would get high and I'd work . But it was like I thought this was so much different .
I thought being an entrepreneur was so much different . Being a business owner was was so much different so get high and work .
What did that mean ?
I did . I mean , I can work pretty well when I'm high honestly Not like the best because it's easy to miss stuff , but I get pretty focused depending on what level of high Isn't ? there a certain type too that helps you focus . There's what sativa and I don't know .
I don't know nearly as much about weed as people would probably think , but I think even at the time I knew a good amount about relationships , but I also knew that I didn't know enough and I also most likely was not going to make that work . That was the hard part is , I knew pretty quickly it wasn't going to work .
I communicated that very quickly and then this person wanted to continue spending time together Because , again , in the most mature way to express possible , we were both getting our needs met . That's what we were looking for . So I don't think I was Under any delusion that it was going to be a long term thing .
I just Hung on Because I was trying to get my needs met . Yeah ,
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Tell me the , tell me the stuff , what's going on . And what I would try to articulate is in the past I felt like I always had to make it work . With Emilia it already works , just don't fuck it up . That's the best way I can articulate it . That that relationship that I would consider very not good in the past , keep it anonymous .
It was always what do I have to do ? What do I have to do ? What do I have to do ? What do I have to do ? How can I make it work ? How can I make it work ? How can I make it work ? We can make it work . Yeah , we can make it work . I don't know we can make it work .
It was so much fucking effort to make it work , and then I would work on myself , work on myself , work on myself , and then it would actually get worse , not better , and I was like what the hell is going on here ? And eventually I realized , oh , maybe it's not me , maybe this is just an incompatible relationship .
So I used to try to make it work all the time , and now with Emilia , ever since I met her for five years , it already works .
¶ Choosing growth over staying the same
Just don't fuck it up how much years it already works . Just don't fuck it up how much .
How much should you ?
have to make it work like what's the level ? That's a great question .
Again , I don't think your way is the normal agreed right , and I think it's in between those two that I'm glad that we are having that conversation , because I actually think that if there is inherent alignment , you're not going to have to constantly grind your face off to make the relationship work . It should feel somewhat natural Somewhat Now .
You still have to work on yourself and you still have to treat your partner well , and you still have to show up on time and you still have to be available . She asked me recently . She texted me . She said hey , my parents are creating a new home gym . They need help moving the equipment . It's in June .
I was like she's like you don't have to do it , but I'm going to go there and help them and all this stuff , of course , yeah , let's do it . Okay , it's going to be probably three or four hours of my time . You have to put in effort , but it shouldn't feel like a fucking grind . And in the past , with that relationship , it felt like a fucking grind .
It felt like I this is the best way I can describe it I felt like I had to be different than who I really am in order to make it work , rather than logistics ?
Well , it's , it's . Are you going to do a check-in and get some low scores occasionally , yes , lower than desired scores and all I mean by a check-in is one day a week . You sit down with your partner and essentially you can do it however you want , but it's how well are you getting your needs met ? I'll just say that On a scale of 0 to 10, .
How well are you getting your needs met ? Cool , let's have an opportunity for proactive feedback and proactive building together .
Awesome , not saying every week it's going to be tens across the board , right , not saying every week it's going to be tens across the board , but also , if every week it's a knock-down , drag-out fight , that probably ain't it either that there is construction , there is growth , there is opportunity , there is resistance , there's working through stuff .
Yes , just like everything else . Do you have any past relationships that are so obviously incompatible in hindsight ? Because I do for sure .
Yeah , one . I've told this story before . Again . I have been an idiot in the past .
In high school I was dating someone that I was in a very , very long-term , very serious relationship with and they had some a lot of shit happened to them and they ended up living with us because it was just a whole thing and they were talking about marriage one day and I made a joke of how I was never going to get married and my grandmother told me after
she said that's the day I knew you guys were going to break up and I was like what do you mean ? And she said that person deeply wants to get married and have a family and you just didn't . And I was like , oh okay , that person is now married with three kids or four kids that . Imagine if I had four kids , three kids right now .
None of this would work . So that was fundamentally misaligned . Great person , great person , very , very , very good .
Just a good human being that I . We have a good relationship to this day , but that was never going to work . No , that was never going to work . Yeah Well , goal in conflict , core value in conflict .
And I was an idiot . I mean , I was what I don't know 19 years old or I didn't know what the hell I was saying . I didn't understand the impact of saying that .
I had an ex-partner of mine . We were together four and a half years and she always did too . She wanted to have kids , she wanted to start a family , and I was always playing a very long-term view , very long-term view , very long-term view . I mean , emilia and I are still talking about having children together .
We're going to start a family , and she's 30 and I'm 36 . So it's we're very statistically late , but that's all on purpose , it's all by design , and she always wanted to have kids way later too . So this is , this is by design , but anyways . So this person wanted to have kids ASAP , rocky , and they wanted to . They , they do now .
They have multiple children , they're married , they have a little house and all she ever wanted was that . And I remember when I found all that out cause I had reconnected with her years later and I remember thinking good for you , that was your dream and also there's no way you were going to get me to do that . Can you imagine on this entrepreneurial ride ?
No fucking chance . And again , I'm not trying to be unkind , but there's no way I was going to be able to do that Right , same , and I wish that I had known when I was younger . Just tell her that I wish I mean it must have been obvious . I mean I was literally talking in my teens and 20s about how my career won't even start till I'm 50 .
She must have had some red flags going right . I mean I'm this weird , esoteric , long-term guy who I don't know , I guess .
I think we're oftentimes willing to look around the red flags if the green ones are big enough .
Well , we definitely were in love , that's for sure . We definitely came from a similar background . We definitely , you know , we were definitely in love . But love's not enough there's . I'm grateful that that worked the way that it did , because her lifestyle right now is nothing conducive to what I'm doing right now and the whole meant to be thing .
I don't think that was meant to be . And I don't mean meant to be spiritually necessarily , I mean meant to be in terms of compatibility , of who we really are . I know we got to jump soon , but I want to share this . In the early self-improvement personal development days , I used to think oh okay , I'm going to try to be different , I'm an extrovert .
Oh okay , I'm gonna try to be different , I'm an extrovert , I'm gonna try to be introverted . Okay , I'm an introvert , I'm gonna try to be extroverted . You did the same shit .
Of course you're like , oh , I'm gonna go try to be extroverted , and that is a terrible fucking idea now , the truth of the matter is is you can try to be an introvert who learns how to talk to people , but you , you're never going to change your essence , and I think that that's one thing that I've come to , coaching as many people as I have You're not
going to change your essence . You know how people say people don't change . Well , you can transform and you can evolve and you can grow and you can change a fucking a lot , but you're never going to change your essence . You're not going to change your essence . I'm never .
Can you imagine me coming to you being like you know , kev , I was really thinking about taking the summer off .
Yeah , but you're not a good example but ?
but some people would love to take the summer off . That's their essence .
Well , I know , I know , but yeah , but even like we can look at athletes that were really in shape and really famous , Like they let it go after .
But that means , it wasn't maybe their essence ?
Well , if it's not their essence , how are they so freaking good at what they did ?
Because they're still achieving .
Those people that you're referring to . He's still an achiever .
He's still achieving . Well , right now he's achieving the only billionaire basketball player . That's fair , he's still just as competitive , michael . He's still just as competitive , michael , just in the wrong way . I don't think people's essence changes . That's fair . You've always been hardworking . You've always been funny . I have not .
I have not always been hardworking .
Compared to the statistical norm .
Dude , I'm no , no , I've been lazy for sure .
Okay , good , candid conversation . I always felt like I had to change who I was to succeed in relationships . I feel like you felt like you had to change who you were to succeed .
But aren't you ?
realizing over time that you actually get to be more you than you realized .
Well , you have to . You have to sharpen . You have to either sharpen up the dull edges or dull out the sharp edges . You have to work on yourself . It's not necessarily becoming somebody completely different , it's just trying to figure out the weaknesses that are holding you back and then working on those . But yeah , I mean now .
Yes , but in the beginning it was essentially it felt like I was changing completely from somebody who wasn't organized and had to become organized . And then that journey has has now it's eight years in . It's like I'm way more organized than I used to be , but you don't , you're still you're still comfortable in chaos and kind of a mess .
Isn't that resonating the essence thing ? You don't . You didn't have to change your essence , don't get me wrong . You , you did for a time , and so did I . But I feel like we're still in alignment with our essence . I don't know , maybe essence is the wrong word . What would you call it ?
There's a show called Eastbound and Down , and he goes back and sees one of his old crushes and when he's hugging her he says do you recognize my essence ? It's funny , it's very funny . What would I call it ? Yeah it . What would I call it ? Yeah ?
It's called a natural inclination , or your essence , or your true self , whatever you'd call it .
I don't know if I'd have a good label . Probably true self .
Yeah .
Do you feel like you've had to change your true self ?
I feel like I've had to sacrifice many things that I thought my true self wanted , but in hindsight he wanted it . How do you know that's not ? How do you know that's my true self wanted , but in hindsight he wanted it ? How do you know that's not ? How do you know that's your true self versus just a lesser , mature kevin ?
I don't .
That's the billion dollar question because you didn't want to get married back then . But you got married yeah , I got married , I'm married I'll never forget when I asked you how do you know taryn ? Because I remember thinking I could see it different , and you went back to her .
There's a whole backstory to this kevin and taryn dated and then I fucked , kevin fucked it up . I've done some stupid things , you know yeah , went off and then you guys reconnected after she had broken up with a partner and I could tell something was different . And this is when we were single as pringles and I asked you like how do you know ?
Because I was curious , like how do you know ? And you said I don't know , it's a feeling what are you talking about ?
she understands me is what I said .
I was going and you said it was a feeling she understands me .
I was going through a time where , again , just lonely as hell and I was like getting ready to give up on just pursuing love , it was like , whatever I'll , I'll just do this and eventually something will happen . And I remember I was talking to two of my buddies and I was like I don't know what the freak I'm going to do .
I'm talking to a lot of people and I just don't feel like they understand me and I don't feel like they support what I'm doing . And I think they think the podcast is cute . When it's like I'm really putting a lot of effort into this and it's really deeply meaningful to Alan and I , they don't respect you . They don't yeah , put some respect on my name .
I said you know who would get me ? Tyra would get me she . She was deeper than I was when we first met . I couldn't hang . She was in a relationship . I was like , well , that's not gonna work . And then eventually , however many months or years later I don't know how long it was I saw that she was single one day and then I reached out what if ?
what if she is the yin to your yang when it comes to your essence ? Like that's what I've , and again after coaching for that many years . I feel like some . I feel like . She's the safe spot .
For me , she's the warm spot , like at the end of the day . I don't need to be hyper-focused on growth anymore . You know , I don't necessarily , but here's the thing If she values deep conversations , she's not getting them as much as I am , because this is what I do for a living . That's something that we have to work on , exactly Right .
So I think , at the end of the day , tori Aletto the wonderful Tori Aletto , who we had in this podcast many times said relationships are about growth , relationships are about growth . Relationships are about growth and as long as you're growing intentionally in a similar direction , I think there's definitely possibility , there's opportunity .
You can work on stuff If you're growing apart and you want to be growing in that direction . I think that is the sign that this probably and I don't even think it's that sad I'm not . This isn't like a oh , you should be super sad . I'm glad that person got married young and had kids
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young .
Good for them , good for them .
I am so happy for them .
But it was sad at the time , wasn't it ? When it had to go its separate ways . Oh , yeah , of course .
Yeah , of course , Of course , yeah , of course , and I think it always will be . But maybe in five years you realize oh shit , that was the right thing for both of us . And if you could say that you've made the right choice .
Now , if you mess it up .
That's a lesson .
How does someone know whether they're screwing it up or they're just incompatible ? Because you easily could say , oh well , we're not compatible . Well , you probably could have worked on that .
Who are you willing to do the work with ? Is one I'm willing to do all the work with , taryn I don't . I will do all the work , all of it , as long as it doesn't take away from this .
Right and I don't , it's not going to Well , there's the worth it factor .
Yeah , it's , I'll do the work , I work , I want to do the work . She's the person I want to do the work with . There's been other people . I just I don't . Yeah , you're not the person I want to do the work with . I think that's a big piece of it . I think that's a really big piece of it . Outside of that , I don't know if there's an answer .
All right . Well , so alignment , couples , goals in conflict , core values in conflict ? I guess the question would be my next , next level lesson would be ask yourself is this something that I want to make work ? Is this something that I can make work ? Is this something that is going to be worth it to make work ?
Because I remember for me , when I had ended my last relationship , I was asked on the drive home like really , you guys are great together . And I remember thinking , yeah , maybe compared to you guys .
What movie were you ?
watching . Yeah , exactly , and honestly , we were compared to what she's in . But the person asking I said when I knew it was or not , and when it came to being in this relationship or my dreams , I had to choose . I felt like I had to choose between my dreams and my relationship and I knew my fucking answer and it was my dreams . And with Amelia it's not .
It's , I don't have to choose , they're the same . She is my dream and it's in alignment . And , yes , I have to work on myself and be the best partner I can be , but I don't have to change who the fuck I am . If anything , here's the last thing I'll say Do you have to change who you are or do you just have to become a better version of who you are ?
In the past , I felt like I had to change who I was . Now I just have to be a better and better and better version of who I already am and who I aspire to be .
I think it's a really good ending , for sure . And then I could ask you well , what's the difference between change and improvement ? We won't do that right now , but that's an interesting conversation . What's the difference between improving yourself and changing yourself ? We'll do that at a later date . Next Level Nation . April 15th 2025 , is Next Level Live .
It's our first totally virtual live event . So we've done many events . I think this is the eighth year in a row we've had some sort of event . This is the first one that's totally virtual , because we want to make sure that , no matter where you are in the world , you can tune in . Tickets are only $47 .
This is an all-day event , but you can pop in and out . So if you buy a ticket , you get access to the replay . That means you don't have to stay for the whole time and you can kind of come and go as you please . That's really why we want to have a replay in the first place . So link will be in the show notes . The website has all the information .
Questions , comments , concerns Let us know .
And if anyone needs help , the difference between Relationship Talks Coaching and Relationship Counseling is that Relations talks coaching is about how to build your goals and dreams together , how to grow together , not apart , and we've . We not only help couple couples flourish , but we also help them build their future .
I mean we've talked finance , we've talked how to buy a house . I mean we've gone through the whole thing . It's it's coaching . It's more about goals and dreams and building together and realigning your goals and dreams together than it is just about fixing the relationship . So it's really powerful .
We've been doing it for four years and we've got some couples that have really transformed their entire life and , yes , some couples that decided to go their separate ways too . Well , I think that's again .
I think a good coach helps you find alignment and realize when you're not in alignment . Sometimes , when you're not in alignment , you're not supposed to realign the way that you thought you were supposed to .
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