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I'm sure you've heard this a bunch . Oftentimes , when I'm on other podcasts , people say , yeah , I'm just not consistent enough . And I always say that's not true . Humans are very consistent , just oftentimes consistent in the wrong direction .
It's not about being more consistent , it's about being more positive in your consistency , and I think that little shift can make a world of difference because we are consistent . It's just not always consistent in the direction of our dreams .
You can always tell who I'm learning from based on the quotes . So lately I've been in a little bit of a Jim Rohn phase . You can look him up on YouTube . He's got some good speeches , but he says that failure is a few errors in judgment repeated every day . He also says that success is a few good decisions , repeated every single day .
He says it's the set of the sail . It's not the wind and the rain and the sunshine and the water , it's the set of the sail , which is your own personal philosophy .
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Next Level University , next Level Nation . Today , for episode number 2,02727 , there's a thin line between success and failure . I will never forget one night I was going to bed and I had , I had partaken in an edible and again , I am a proponent of cannabis when responsibly used , and it I always have really cool thoughts . It wasn't super cool thought that night .
The thought was shit , tara , and I haven't checked in in a minute . That was layer one . It's like , all right , we can fix that . And I was like , oh , my god , this is how relationships fail . It's not always I don't know what the stats on this . It's not always a oh , you're the worst , screw you , I'm leaving . It's
¶ How small habits lead to big failures
a little bit . Well , we skipped our check-in and this thing kind of , yeah , we'll sweep that under the carpet , that's flying under the radar , start to build a little bit of resentment , just a little bit , and then the next time something happens , that resentment's already there and it's like , oh , oh , okay , then screw you then .
And then eventually you drift off and it gets worse and worse and worse and worse and worse . That's what we're talking about today . It's the same thing . It's like you don't just marry your dream person and then it works . There's constant shifts , there's constant readjustments , there's constant maintenance . What happens to a house ?
You don't have to renovate it every year , you don't have to renovate it every month , but if you make sure the lawn's cut , you do stuff little by little . Maintenance what happens if you don't maintain ? It goes off the fucking rails our deck right now is going off the rails it's not , let's
just say , this winter , when I went out on the deck yeah questionable questionable questionable when , when we resell , we're gonna redo the deck . Obviously it is pretty far gone and we just kind of let it and then let it more me than her .
She was on it . Yeah , it's my now . One day you're gonna come home , things gonna be on the fucking ground . You're going to come home and things are going to be on the fucking ground . You're going to say it used to be attached to the house . I don't know what happened . Years of non-maintenance happened .
That's what happened and that's what we're talking about here today .
Neglect is the killer of our dreams Dream relationship , dream body , dream business , dream career , dream job , dream car , dream home . Neglect will kill all good things , Unfortunately . And what was ?
it . Oh sorry , no , go ahead . I remember we had a studio in Alan's mother's basement for a time back in the day and every time I was headed down there I would get coffee at duncan donuts every time every couple don't even time couple don't ease breakfast sandwiches . If it was in the morning , that right .
There is a very okay the thin line between success and failure , and we're going to talk about this more in another episode this week . It'll'll be deeper . But that $5 , that wasn't $5 . We'll be kidding . A coffee was like $3 . Donies were like $1.29 or something . I'm spending $10 every time I go through the drive-thru .
Hypothetically , I could buy a book every time . I did that . That's the thin line between success and failure . If I only just do that , right . I'm not saying you can't be successful and have donuts , because if that's the life that we're living in , I don't want to live in it honestly . I want to be successful and be able to have donuts .
But I think we think of yeah , you know , I remember that kid I went to high school with . He kind of went off the rails and got in a lot of trouble , went to jail a few times . Now he's not successful now he's not successful .
Started to hang out with the wrong people .
Yeah , but it didn't happen overnight . It didn't happen overnight , and a lot of ending up in a place that you don't want to end up in is not that . It's not that polarizing , it's just a little bit .
I'll hit snooze today , I'll skip the gym today , I'm going to have a drink today , I'm going to eat what I want today , and then eventually you do it long enough and then it starts to become a behavior , and then it starts to become a habit , and then it starts to become a trend .
And then then , five years down the line , the the best example of this possibly is what's ? What's a good example of this ? Okay , a hundred calories a day . Let's say you need 2,000 calories to stay at maintenance . So that means you won't gain weight , you won't lose weight . If you eat 1,900 calories , you're going to lose like 500 times 4 , 2,800 .
You'll probably lose like 0.8 pounds a month . Hypothetically , does that make sense ? Yeah , nice work . No , no , no , because it's 3,000 calories , 3,500 per pound . So , yeah , you're going to lose 0.8 .
Yeah , you'll lose 0.8 .
Nice work , 0.8 . If you eat 100 over , not that much , that's two Oreos .
Okay , oh man , no two Oreos is 140 , son Not any more than eight .
I got low-fat ones .
Baby 50 per Low-fat Oreos , what are we ?
doing here man .
I'm dieting . I am proud of you .
You're low today actually 177.3 . Nice work , so okay . 100 calories , not that much . An apple An apple that's an egg and a half . I mean it's not hard to eat 100 calories more than you need . You're going to gain 0.8 pounds per month At the end of the year 10 pounds a year . 10 pounds a year , both ways . Same thing on the opposite end of the line .
Okay , did that land at all ? Strong work .
Was it ? Yes , if you eat an extra 100 calories a day , you will gain 10 pounds at the end of that year . How wild is that ? Super wild . That's the compound
¶ The compound effect of daily choices
effect . This is my favorite topic ever . I'm so grateful we can talk about this . I remember when Emil and I first decided to exercise consistently every day . It's 30 minutes a day . Start small and I remember remember thinking that'll add up . I get to eat way more food . Now that was like a huge incentive for me .
You know how much calories let's say 30 , 30 minutes what do you , what do you burn in 30 minutes on average , are you talking about walking . It depends who you are , too , depends your body comp and your height and all that stuff .
The point is even if you say it's 100 , say , hypothetically it's 100 . Yeah , that's 10 pounds a year . Same thing we were talking about , assuming , I don't eat way more , which I do .
I'm in a bulk and a cut and bodybuilding , blah , blah , blah , and I've been trying to gain weight . Now I'm cutting and it's been going well so far . Is these little errors in judgment , I wonder too . And again , philosophy is probably the least sexy term ever .
I think it's the most sexy term ever . You do , yeah , straight up . Huge fan of philosophy . I have a philosophy book above the toilet . Seriously , yeah , man , I've read like six pages of it , but it's fucking there , it's there , it's available to me .
Okay , when I say the word philosophy .
What do you think of Thinking about stuff that seemingly does not matter or connect , but matters more than anything and connects to everything ?
Nice , well said . Okay , it's your belief system About life . What's the point , what's the purpose ? This is going back To the hyperconscious days . Change the way you think . Change the way you think , change the way you act . Change the way you live . Remember .
Of course I came up with it . Of course I remember .
Change the way you think . Yeah , change the way you act .
Yeah , that's the second one . Change the way you live . That's the third one . Did you do that ? Did I do that personally ? Yeah , I'm working on it I'm working on .
Yeah , I would you think differently than ?
before . I think differently than before . I think very differently than before and also very much the same in ways that serve me . Hopefully .
That's the that's the goal do you remember the very first personal development book I ever bought ?
This was long before I'm talking , I was 21 years old , 20 years old yeah , this is the stuff that keeps me up at night . What was the first ? I think it was the Seven Habits of Highly Effective People .
That was the first one we read in book club Shit .
Hold on it's blue . I never would have got that , John Maxwell .
How Successful People Think I , John Maxwell how successful people think I'm going to say this , and for anyone out there watching or listening I realize this is bias . You have complete control over what you say . Think , do , feel and believe . I was with a client recently . I said shh , thinking's the most important . Emilia always makes fun of me .
She thinks I think math is the most important subject it is . She's like well , other things matter too , and I'm like , yeah , but not as much the point I'm making , though , just being playful here as an engineer , that's just my playful , nerdy engineering side . I think math is everything . It is what it is Now . Thinking is everything .
Errors in thinking will ruin your life If you think more effectively . I mean I've said this a couple times lately lop an arm off , lop a leg off , a Kev doesn't matter , he's still Kevin .
He's still , kevin . Why can't you lop something off of you ?
Okay , lop an arm off , lop a leg off of me . I'm still Alan , that's true . Okay , now I'd have some identity challenges not as athletic challenges boom , boom , boom . That would be very hard . I'm not saying and , but I would still be , alan , why ? My brain ? That's the one thing you cannot live without .
You cannot live without your brain and that's why I'm so big on thinking errors and thinking compounded over time . I have a client who's 25 , the things that we are talking about . He's going to win forever . I'm so convinced of it because we're just constantly refining his philosophy , constantly , constantly . That's what this podcast is . We're refining your philosophy .
Contemplate kevin's point of view , alan's point of view . Okay , what about this ? What are your thoughts ? Social media , this , okay . What do you think about ? Discipline ? Yeah , no , meaningful life , fulfillment , happiness , thoughts . Philosophy is awesome , man .
I'm a huge fan and I remember I said to you years and years and years ago these are back in the hyperconscious days . I said you know that in a way , we're modern day philosophers .
I did , I do . I don't know if I did , but I do .
You remember me saying that Mm-hmm . Back then you said I don't know man .
I don't think that's what I said .
What'd you say ?
I was like hell yeah , man , it's awesome . I don't think you said that . Good shit , bro , probably something like that . Probably good shit , bro , something like that .
What do you think you actually said ?
I probably said I never
¶ Philosophy and decision-making paradigms
thought , I've never thought of it that way . Maybe I didn't know what philosophy was . I was probably like what is that ? Even I have to look that up some sort of like , some sort of pipe fitter or something . What is that ? What is that ? Though , you know , I don't really know if I knew .
I mean , I hadn't studied philosophy , I didn't know why does someone's philosophy matter . Why does somebody's philosophy matter ? Why does somebody's philosophy matter ?
oh man , I think it's forced kevin to teach things .
I love it it dictates what you take responsibility for . It dictates your standards . It dictates what you believe about people . It dictates what you believe about the world . It dictates what you believe about yourself .
It yeah , it is the essentially your philosophy is the glasses that you see everything through , and that's another thing like we could do an episode on at some point . I don't know if we would need a full episode , but the philosophy that will bring you to success versus the philosophy that will get you stuck .
Let's do some , okay . You can also call this mindset . You can call this your belief system . It's your decision-making paradigm . That's a less common one , but seriously , how do you make decisions ? How is it that one person , two people , can experience the same childhood and have completely different lives ?
Lots of things , but I think philosophies is one of them for sure , maybe the biggest one , maybe self-belief , I think , is the biggest . Yeah , the way you think .
I was telling this to a client yesterday Because we've been philosophizing a lot this client and I , because it used to be metrics and habits and goals and priorities and blah , blah , blah , and lately it's been aizing a lot this client and I , because it used to be metrics and habits and goals and priorities , and lately it's been a lot of this .
It's been a lot of what are you missing ? What might you be missing ? What might I be missing ? I learn a lot from my clients as well , and I said I want you to study human beings and study yourself in terms of their thinking . So what's ? a good example of this . When I first met Kev , I got to use Kev as an example .
I got to use you as an example .
Here's why Whatever man , it's all good .
Everybody knows you . Anyone who's listening knows you , so I can use you as an example . If you're ever wondering why I use Kevin as an example so much , it's because everyone has reference to you . People think I'm picking on you . I'm not picking on you , I'm trying to . No , no .
If Alan was , I would put him down . It wouldn't . I know . I know what you're thinking . Alan's a lot taller than you . Trust me , it doesn't matter .
It just doesn't matter , it just doesn't matter .
We're not the same when it comes to that
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I'm trying to see beneath the iceberg , what people say and do . You can think about what their thinking is , what's their consciousness . I used to say six pack of the mind . I wish we could see people's minds . I wish we could see everybody's brain instead of their body . How ripped would Kevin be ? My brain , yeah .
Flexing on him .
Flexing on him , flexing on him . And then if you did , if you could walk out into the world and you could see everyone's brain instead of their body , how healthy would people be ? What if you could see their belief instead of their body ?
What if you could see their ?
fulfillment instead of their body . I'm willing to bet it would be the same no , no chance I think , so if that's the steve , jobs had a terrible body what are ?
you talking about I mean not necessarily like the same person , a person , but the same stats talk to me I don't know if I know how I think . Oftentimes the philosophies that get someone into trouble , those are the philosophies that you'd see . Philosophy dictates the behavior , right Agreed .
Yeah , agreed .
So I feel like yeah , if you were to go to someone , okay , let's say you could see my brain and my body . My brain's ahead of my body , for sure right now . But my philosophy is fitness is my responsibility . If I'm not in shape , it's my fault . It's not McDonald's fault . It's not Domino's fault . I don't have to order it .
I do order it because I like it , but I also have to have discipline .
I want to jump in for a second . Please , kevin , taking ownership for his own fitness , tells me he will win in fitness if you were blaming mcdonald's .
That's a philosophy that cannot lead to success because , if it's , if it's mcdonald's fault , then there's nothing you can do about it yeah , so so whenever I meet somebody and maybe this is someone recently I was on a call and she said you are super intimidating . I said , oh , I'm , and I don't need to be sorry , that's the wrong frame .
This is who I am , I'm just being me . So thank you for letting me know and let's have a business breakthrough session , but anyways .
So whenever I meet someone , you can see their philosophy and you can see into the future of what that will bring , and we all know this right , okay , let's say you met a 13 year old , tomorrow you would be able to see their philosophy , their current trajectory , their current thinking and go , uh , oh well , if they're 13 , I mean I'd probably be like yeah ,
you'll figure it out yeah , but okay , if they don't change xyz , can you give me an example of someone where you heard their thinking and went oh , row , row . I mean that that time when you saw that I was delusional , fitness wise , that was yeah , but that's .
We've talked about that give me another one . Somebody . I was on a podcast recently and they were . It was like oh , the reason you're able to do so much is because you guys have a team Like you . Probably . It's probably like super easy for you and I was like definitely easier , but don't over-swing here .
I mean , we still do seven episodes a week and I coach 50-something podcasters .
So let's go beneath the surface . What does that mean about that person's philosophy ? And this is not Kevin trying to pick on anyone .
I don't even remember who this person was and no , I'm not trying to pick on him , but in live time I was like because I said this is what happened . They were like how do you do all that ? I said this is what happened . They were like how do you do all that ? And I was like , well , I appreciate that .
I said we have a wonderful team that nobody ever sees because the vast majority of them are behind the scenes , and I think that was like all I got out and they were like oh , that makes total sense . That's why you're able to do it all . That's one of the reasons we're able to do it .
That's one of the iceberg .
But it's . I mean I said there's two of us . Alan works essentially seven days a week , I work six days a week . We do an episode every day . We have 100 and something clients between the two of us .
There's a lot going on .
We both have families small families right now but households to take care of . You know , I still do my stuff around the house , alan does his stuff around the house . It's not like we just show up podcast and then go sit on our golden thrones . That's not the way it works . Oh , it doesn't for you . Yeah , no , it does . That's what I've been doing .
I've just been lying to you . To me , it's just a suggestion that that person thinks that the reason they're not successful is because they don't have enough time yet .
Yeah , okay , okay . What does that mean ? This is my favorite thing in the world . This is why coaching is so fun for me , because all I'm doing is helping people reprogram themselves for success .
It means they're most likely not maximizing their time yet .
Yeah , and if their , if their story to themselves is that they don't have enough time and that when they get more time then they'll be more successful , that's a losing game . We don't have any you .
You and I have less time than that person , by fault for sure I would have to imagine yeah , I would have to imagine that it's what you do with the time but that's a philosophy , right .
It goes both ways too , though , because so that's . The other thing is when you have a high awareness in something . So again , for
¶ Success mindsets Vs. Failure mindsets
me I'll say fitness slash podcasting For you out there , whether you're watching or listening , it might be something completely different , but you can help people avoid failure Through the wrong philosophy . So what I'm telling podcasters all the time is yeah , I know you want to do your show , like Barstool does , but they have a ton of money . It's not the same .
We're not playing the same game . You're an indie director . You're not going to make Jaws right now . That's not how you're going to win . You're going to make the Blair Witch Project . That's the movie you're going to make Good reference . I appreciate that very much .
For the younger people . I don't know if they'll know what you're talking about . I don't know if you're going to know either of those movies , and that's my apologies , because I don't know .
Alan knows more movies than I do , but you're going to make a local , low-budget thing and that's how you're going to win . You're not going to make Avatar . That's not what you're . There's a thin line between you getting to where they are and you spending two years grinding and then realizing oh shit , I'm not Barstool .
Yet you're not going to be , just like we're not going to be . I don't want to be Barstool , we're not going to be Barstool , we're doing it in our own unique way . There's a thin line there , too , between an empowering thought and a disempowering thought .
There's a thin line between everything realistically Constructive and deconstructive or destructive , toxic and helpful , like there's a thin line between all polarities .
At the end of the day , All I can ever think of when you say barstool is Emilia was a barstool smoke show back in the day . That's all I can think about now .
She knows what's up . She was there , Not there there .
But Well , they pick . I mean , I think she just got , she was out and got a photo Out and about . Yeah , out and about .
What a weird side tangent .
For sure what Kev just did unpacking the thinking . There are indicators and you can coach yourself . So anyone out there watching or listening where are your errors in thinking ?
The very first book I ever recommended to Kev I'll never forget this was your Erroneous Zones by Wayne Dyer , and the reason why is because , quite frankly , he had a lot of errors in thinking and I wouldn't recommend that book now to Kevin . But I do think the idea of identifying your errors in thinking is really important , like where am I off ?
Where am I off ? Okay , is that actually going to work ? We're always trying to figure out where we're off , always .
It's not fun . I know I joke about this all the time .
I very I'm serious , I thought that book was about sex . I thought it was your erogenous . I'm not even kidding , I thought it was your erogenous zones why would I recommend that to you , man that's that was the maybe .
That was the stage I was in that I need to learn . It's like , okay , I'll pick this up .
I'll pick this up and he's like who the hell is this guy ? Yeah , what the hell are we talking about here ? It's all about errors and thinking . So how do I , how do we wrap this in a bow ? I know we got to jump in 11 minutes . Um , how successful . People think , yeah , let's each give a couple give a give a couple philosophies .
I've been writing down my philosophies lately , just for myself , of principles instead of philosophies . I call them principles . Principles are kind of like things that I think are true . What ?
do you say ?
you go first . Well , I can just give the ones that are in my notes . Let's do it . Yeah , number one figuring
¶ Core principles for long-term success
out what not to do is far more important than figuring out what to do . I think that's where you got to start , like , who do I need to stop hanging out with ASAP , fucking Rocky . Number two everything is a formula , even if you are certain , even if you are not certain what it is yet .
I think I did this with voice to text , sorry , are not certain what it is yet . I think I did this with voice to text , sorry , everybody . Everything is a formula , even if you are not certain what it is yet . That's one thing that I really want to make . Land , there is a way . There's very little where there isn't a way to do it .
You just don't know the way yet , like , this iphone was always possible , we just didn't know how to do it . Yet I wonder if that's yeah , hopefully that lands , airplanes were always doable , we just didn't know how to do it . Yet I wonder if that's , yeah , hopefully that lands , airplanes were always doable , we just didn't know .
As a human species , how to do it .
yet Were they , though , like back in the very , very early days , when there was no materials to fly with ?
Yeah , they were . The materials were available . We just didn't know how to mine them or how to .
That's fair .
All the things that have been invented in the last 10 years . We always could have done them , but , but , to your point , we weren't in a place where we were ready for it yet right right right , right . So before that the internet couldn't be before electricity right okay , yeah , the electric car couldn't be before any car .
So then , technically speaking , technically speaking and I hate to be this guy , I don't like to be this guy , I don't want to be this guy Right , but technically speaking , it can't happen before the thing that precedes it happens . Yeah .
However , the thing that precedes it happening can happen way sooner .
That's fair .
Meaning the iPhone was always possible in the long term . However , it wasn't possible in that moment , which I think is a good metaphor for everyone's life . Right now , your dreams are possible . They're just not possible tomorrow .
Imagine Caveman Dave finding electricity .
Somehow Caveman Dave , caveman Dave .
That'd be wild .
No man . Okay , number three . It is remarkable what human beings . For sure it's crazy , it's all things weird .
You ever been driving down the road ? And just imagine that somebody had to pave that road . Every road you've ever driven on , ever for the last , however many years old you are , somebody paved that shit .
That's fucking crazy to me . Yeah , I have a mutual client , kevin and I both coach him and he's doing very , very well and he builds barns and barn dominiums and houses . There's a lot going on behind the scenes that makes everything happen and it's really cool when you coach people and you see the behind the scenes , it's really cool .
That's one of my favorite things . I get to learn about All kinds of businesses from all over the world . Again , just learning awesome , okay . Number three focusing on solving a problem upstream can improve something downstream by a huge exponential multiple . What's an example of that ? You solve one problem can improve something downstream by a huge exponential multiple .
What's an example of that ? Solve one problem . Okay , a gratitude game . Stay grateful every night for Emilia . Say it before bed . Potentially , make sure you don't get divorced 20 years from now . Again , it's an extreme version , but it's a good example .
What about you ? One of mine would be , man , I don't know . Probably isn't there like a penny saved , a penny earned ? I think mine would be like a dime saved is a dollar eventually , if you know what to do with it . All right , that's a new one for me .
I love it man , that's a new one for me .
What's the other one , my philosophy ? One of my philosophies is add more value than anybody else and you'll most likely get further ahead than anybody else In the long run . In the micro not at all . In the micro you might actually get taken advantage of . But if you micro , you might actually get taken advantage of .
But if you then , when you get taken advantage of , you realize what , how that happened , and then now you're less likely to be taken advantage of . And because I've definitely worked with clients who was like I feel like I'm getting taken advantage of here , but there's a lot of lessons that now you have clients .
You learned so much through that and now you have clients that don't take advantage of you , and you know how to add even more value , yeah it really is .
Third one is very much in alignment with that . I now am saying yes to stuff based on what I will learn , as opposed to what I will get , and that's freaking weird . That's awesome . Now , can you always do that ? I don't know . If you're broke , you'd probably say yes to stuff because you're going to get something .
In the short term I think that's helpful , but in the long run , what you're going to learn is probably the most valuable thing ever of all time .
Nice .
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