¶ Intro / Opening
Sleep . You do every single day . You're already built , you have built-in consistency . You have to do it , you have to do it . So it's one of those things where you can actually I won't say easily , but simply focus on 1% improvements because you already have to do it .
What's the why ? The why is to have a great memory . The neuroscience shows that your brain the number one most important thing that you can do for your brain , is sleep , hydrate , exercise and eat right period . That's all the research shows that .
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Welcome to Next Level University , next Level Nation . Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University , next Level Nation . Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University , where we help you level up your life , your love , your health and your wealth . Today , for episode number 1,988 , we're going to talk about sleep and how sleep is sexy .
Now , sleep is sexy . I used to be the guy who was like what are you doing ? What are you doing sleeping eight hours ? What are you doing ? Soft behavior , that is , soft cowardice behavior . Now , I love sleep and I have my Aura ring . We're not sponsored by Aura . They make really good products .
They do and I track my sleep every night and I have a graph on my peak performance tracker . And right now excuse me , right now I'm averaging . My mouse likes to take a quick nap here to conserve battery . I'm , I am averaging . Let me go to my fit . Average sleep score over the last year and two months is 73.15 . Not bad Out of 100 .
Those are rookie numbers in this racket .
Well , something has happened lately and I've been getting 80 , 87 . I got a 91 the other day sleep score , so things have been really really good when it comes to sleep .
I just noticed I dropped below 80 . I'm 79, .
My average for the quarter I am you break up into quarters Since Jan 1st yeah , oh , okay .
Are you looking at Aura or are you looking at your tracker ?
What are you talking about ? I'm looking at my tracker . Yeah , I don't know how did you I ?
hide everything except , except for the current quarter .
Well , excuse me , hold on . Let me take a look . You're going to be devastated when my score is higher than yours ? I doubt it . My average Shit 76 .
Dude , it's not easy . Shout out to a couple of my clients they have 80s and up For their average .
It's not easy . And here's the thing I had this thought last night where I love sleep I really really do . I love sleep and I have a pretty positive relationship with going to bed early and I have a pretty positive relationship with getting up early . I feel I've always kind of been a morning person . Quote , unquote .
Yeah , for sure I don't really like staying up super late , anyway , but I had a moment last night . It's Friday , it's like 8 o'clock , I'm already in bed . I went out , tyron was watching tv . I went out , gave her a kiss , I had my earplugs in , I had my nose strip on . I was like , hey , I don't know what's gonna happen , I might fall .
We call it drift off . Sometimes I just like I'll watch tv and just drift off and I said I might drift off , I don't know what's going to happen . But I had this kind of sad moment where it was like I'm in bed Friday night at 8 o'clock . That's kind of sad it is . It's a little bit sad because , again , I think it's one of those , shouldn't you be ?
clubbing . I could be out clubbing . I could be out drinking an irresponsible amount of alcohol . I could be doing a lot of stuff . For sure I could be doing a lot of stuff . Been there , you've been there Same .
I am grateful that I have been going to bed early and getting up early , and , more than anything , I'm grateful that I've been getting good sleep , because I do feel way different than I ever have in my life , because I was somebody .
¶ Sleep’s impact on mood and productivity
How do I feel different ? My mood is better , I'm getting way more done . It feels really good to have a regiment , like it's just kind of the same thing . But again , I also am somebody who doesn't . I don't need much variety , so I'm not saying you have to do it this way .
This is a blanket statement and I feel comfortable putting this out to the world , where I think it could be valuable to almost anybody . There is definitely a way that you could be either getting more , better or more consistent , restful sleep that would be productive to you , your life and everything else , but it kind of has to be a priority .
It's not going to happen by accident , and I think that's the hard thing is , if you're somebody out there right now who feels like sleep is a waste of time , that is a relationship that probably would require some digging to rebuild the relationship , because I used to feel that way and it's understandable why you would .
I invest an enormint , enormint , too much . A lot I invest a large amount of time and effort into sleep and the reason why there's a TED Talk . That's super depressing .
We love those around here . Yeah , we love depressing . Tell us about it , but it's very important .
¶ Sleep and brain health
There's a TED Talk in my playlist that I can put in the show notes . I very much stand behind this TED Talk . It shows the neuroscience of sleep . My grandma was 94 years old and she before she passed away . My mom and I went to go visit her and she thought that I was my mom's husband . She's like you , picked a good one .
That was my fitness model in days .
And that was really it's .
it's funny that she said that , but it's also really depressing , Right .
So a very sad yeah .
And the reason my grandma , one of the reasons my grandma lived so long 94 , is because she swam every single day , every hey , I'm not even exaggerating , I'm talking every day . She went to the Y . I remember she'd wake up 5am every day , swim . So swimming really good for the body . Obviously , you know as you get older , swimming's easier on the body .
Obviously you know as you get older , swimming's easier on the joints . Awesome , she was very healthy physically . Grandfather passed away at 89 . She was still around for five more years and that was very sad for her because they were together for 60 years .
She lived with us for one summer and my grandma's mind was kind of going and the the reason why it wasn't until my probably late twenties that I started to research sleep on like a pretty deep level and I'm going to send the Ted talk in the show notes . It's very , very sleep is your superpower , is the name of it by Matt Walker .
So I'm going to send that link to the team . Throw that in the show notes , please . But ultimately my mom , mom and I we've had conversations about my grandma and her brain didn't last as long as her body , unfortunately , and she lost herself . And if anyone who's got a grandparent with Alzheimer's or anyone with Alzheimer's , it's really hard to experience that .
They literally lose themselves . There's a film with Anthony Hopkins in it called the Father , and it's extremely powerful . It's a very , very , very famous film . I think it won several Academy Awards , but ultimately it was very much about Alzheimer's and how hard it can be to lose your parents , their mind , because if you lose your brain , you , you lose yourself .
I mean , let's be real , we could chop off kev's arm and he's still kev he's still kev without most of his tattoos , though , depending on what arm you take , depending on which arm you take . But , seriously , we wouldn't lose kev , right ? You take away the brain , you lose kev .
Kev's gone , and that's why sleep's so important , so I don't mean to go that hardcore . A little bit of a negative nancy episode here today , yeah , but the truth is , when I saw that ted talk , it really highlights how much , because my mom and I talked about this in the last piece . My grandma always took care of her body .
She ate right and she exercised every day , but she didn't get sleep , dude . She never got good sleep . She was always up throughout the night . And my mom and I were talking this past holiday season and just saying how that is the reason .
¶ Sleep Vs. Diet and exercise
Well , I think it's . If you want to be healthier , diet and exercise is A healthy diet and some level of consistent exercise is a requirement . It just is . I mean , you will be healthier if you do those things . That is a fact . Right , that is a fact . I don't care what fucking detox tea you take , I don't care what supplements you take .
That is all extraneous and supplemental versus a good diet and exercise . Those are great places . I think sleep is the same thing where it's very easy to prioritize fitness because it's an active thing . Yeah , I'll stop at the gym on the way home from work , or I'll go to spin class before I go to work , or whatever .
Whatever it is , I think sleep is one of those things where it seems like , well , if I get up four hours earlier , I'll have four more hours to work . Yes , you will , but those four hours will not nearly be as productive as the eight hours you could just put in after a good night's sleep .
And here's the other thing , because I don't want to be I don't ever want to be this podcast that says , no matter what , you should prioritize sleep more . I think it would be beneficial . But I also understand , circumstantially , if you have a newborn , you're not getting good sleep . I don't know how you would .
I've never done it , but I've heard nothing but nightmare stories sounds terrible .
So that's something again I get a night nurse .
One of my clients had a night nurse well you , that costs money right oh yeah , so yeah , especially for a good one I'm gonna say , yeah , I can come watch your baby if you want me to come watch your baby , but I'm dog shit at it . I wouldn't be good .
¶ Bad habits hurting your sleep
So you know , you might be able to afford my services , but they're not good , even though I am really good with kids , believe it or not , because I'm a big kid . I am , I'm a big kid . So circumstantially thanks . But unless you're making some good money , that's not going to work . But I think we can all start somewhere , that's all .
This isn't that episode where it's like we're going to give you five ways to optimize your sleep so you only get 90 plus sleep scores .
No .
Because I don't get 90 plus sleep scores every night . Neither does Alan , and Alan is optimized way more than I am when it comes to sleep . But what is one thing we could do to move into a more positive direction ?
I didn't go from sleeping four hours a night to having earplugs in a sound machine and nose strips and the heat on 68 and the fan in the right direction . I didn't do all that . Blackout curtains , all that , it was shit . I I feel terrible , like most of the time why is that ? well , I am drinking 700 milligrams of caffeine a day .
That's probably not great . I eat fast food like four times a week . That's probably not good either . Um , I sleep about four hours a night . Hmm , let's see .
Let's see about that
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I know we got to jump shortly , but I We've got seven minutes . We've got some time . I want to highlight this . I was reading a book last night . It talked about anyone with a strong enough why can figure out any how and again , fortune cookie quotes here .
Yeah , it sounds great ?
Yeah , it does . What's the why ? The why is to have a great memory . The neuroscience shows that your brain the number one most important thing that you can do for your brain is sleep , hydrate , exercise and eat right . Period . That's all . The research shows that One of the reasons Emilia and I we walk every other day Walks are really good for your brain too .
So Emilia and I are weirdos and I know that this is statistically abnormal , but our number one , most important priority is our brain health . She bought blueberries today on my protein pancakes . For my brain , For the brains , I want to have the most magnificent life that I possibly can . And if you think about it , let's take a moment here .
What makes the difference in someone's life ? Alan with a healthier brain is going to be far more capable than Alan who's drinking and smoking and not getting great sleep and not eating right . I've been there , Been there not as good , not as capable , not as much willpower , not as much discipline , not as much well-roundedness , not as much centeredness .
We all know when we are in a crappy state and we get poor sleep , we end up snapping at our partner on accident or or throwing a stinger joke that was inappropriate or whatever it is , we're not our best self . You can't be your best self without great sleep . You can't , and I think that hopefully that helps everybody .
With my clients it's my coaching probably sounds so goddamn boring . I have so many clients tracking sleep so many .
It's great , though it sucks in the beginning , but it's great . I love it Every day . Again , we're not sponsored by Aura . Whatever Apple Watch has this as a bunch of different apps Whoop , there's a bunch . I don't even know all of them . Alan has an Apple Watch . We're also not sponsored by them .
We're not sponsored by anything we sponsor ourselves . This episode , brought to you by Apple Watch . Everyone . My Aura rings on when I show people .
Why didn't you get it on your ring finger ?
Nah , man . Why , though , that ain't me ? What do you mean ? Because I don't want people to think I'm married yet that's going to be for my First of all .
It goes in your left hand . So that's right there , Nobody's going to . If they think you're married and it's on the wrong hand . They don't know .
Yeah , right , Like come on . What was I going to ?
say oh , every morning , right , I wake up , I roll out of bed right into the cold plunge immediately . Okay , I sleep with my AirPods in and my audio book playing , so when I wake up it's already playing . I don't even have to hit play , so I don't even have to worry about that .
So I roll out of bed right into the cold plunge Head first so I can get the immediate decompression of the coldness . Then I flip upside down like an Olympic swimmer . Come up , boom , bada-bing . First thing I do is look at my aura ring . First thing I do . You know , and I don't do any of that Just so you know .
That is a facetious joke about morning routines . Right before I do my mobility in the morning , I open my Aurora app . You know how it takes a minute to connect , oh yeah . One of the first things I do is I check on my sleep and again , I'm super excited , I'm super excited to do that what did you come in at today ? Today was I think I was 80 today .
Today was a rookie kind of a rookie day for me . I didn't sleep well .
Same If anyone got any messages from me late night . That's when I can't sleep . I don't kind of catch up on work 80 .
Sleep score 86 . Optimal readiness score Not bad . Yesterday was 87 .
Nice . Yeah , it's been good it's been good as someone , 62 last night , not great . It's not great 85 , great , 85 , 85 . Emilia and I send each other our scores every day slash sometimes , alan sends it to me by accident and calls me babe so life's good as someone who used to get shitty sleep , what would you say to younger Kev ? Cause he was fucking up ?
Oh for sure , with all the love .
I feel so much smarter , nice . I feel like my brain . I feel like my brain is capable of so much more . You don't know , you . I think oftentimes the things that we wear as badges of honor are more badges of ego and or just stupidity , Nice , and for me it was ego and stupidity . I'm not saying , look , it's up to you to decide what it was for you .
For me it was ego and stupidity . That Now I still have guilt around it , Like if I sleep bad and I go back to sleep I don't feel good about it still , but it's very much . This isn't about right now , this is for the future .
Do you believe the version of you that wasn't getting good sleep could sustain the level of business we're building right now ?
¶ Sleep and big goals
No , I think I could do the work . Yeah , a lot of this is out of necessity .
So if you don't have big goals , if you don't have certain goals , sorry , if you don't have certain goals , it's sometimes you won't . My clients are not optimizing their sleep to optimize their sleep . No one optimizes sleep for funsies .
I don't want to say no one , but very few people . You know what ? I think we could say Transformational goals , that , because that's what big is dependent If you have a transformational goal A goal that requires you to improve your sleep . Well , yes , that's wildly specific . Your sleep , well , yes , I mean that's wildly specific . But yes , yes , yes .
Well , that's , I think , the point of goals is it helps you . You and I did not get our rings and dial in our sleep because we wanted better sleep . We wanted the by-product of what better sleep would bring , which is sharper , more willpower , the ability to put more on the court , help more people trainings , podcasts , coaching , all that stuff .
So if you set a goal and also fitness , you want to talk about muscle building , it all happens at sleep . That's when you repair your muscles .
The rest is needed , yeah .
The rest is needed . A lot of bodybuilders take naps periodically throughout the day . I mean , I used to do that a lot back in my fitness days , but sleep is a pillar , an absolute pillar
¶ Why sleep is a pillar of health
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It's not sexy , yeah , but the title of this episode is Sleep is Sexy . It's not , I know , and I'm not going to necessarily try to convince you that it is . I just think that it's one of those things that , if you can , okay , this is the thing . This is why I think it's so important We've got to go in one minute Sleep . You do every single day .
You're already , you have built-in consistency . You have to do it . You have to do it . So it's one of those things where you can actually I won't say easily , but simply focus on 1% improvements because you already have to do it .
That's why evening routines and morning routines are so important , because every day you go to sleep and you wake up , and if you don't , you don't have to worry about morning routines because you're dead , or nighttime routines because you're dead , you don't have to worry about it .
But yeah , this year you're going to have 365 opportunities to improve your sleep by a little bit . That's it I . Opportunities to improve your sleep by a little bit , that's it . I'm not saying you have to do it all in one fell swoop .
Last piece Sure . Emilia and I got together five years ago . She had memory challenges . She's been open about that , public about that , and I bought her a book called Brain Recovery , memory Recovery , memory Rescue , memory Rescue or Recovery .
My goodness , speaking of memory , the whole thing it's a thick book thick and it's a lot of it is about sleep and she's gotten unbelievable . She I used to be the guy hits the plane out , not , you know , I wake up and we're there , it's great . I'm mr sleep man guy , that's the official term . She's surpassed me , brother , she's surpassed me .
I wake up and we're there , it's great . I'm Mr Sleep man guy , that's the official term . She's surpassed me , brother , she's surpassed me . I'm trying to catch her now . That's what's possible , and her memory's way better , way better . It's not close , it's night and day . That bothered me so much when we first got together .
She would wake up early and and leave and it would be like what are you doing ? You got four hours of sleep because we were . You know , when you're new in a relationship , obviously you're up late doing stuff and it's like you can't just get up in five hours . I feel terrible , right same , yeah , same .
I remember I used to when I was dating , before Tara and I got together , I would stay up late and this person lived like an hour away from where I lived and we would go to bed at 1 in the morning . I would get up at 5 every time , no matter what , drive home , take my pre-workout and Matt and I would go to the gym .
I never missed ever like I thought that was cool . It was cool that I was making progress in fitness and I was super consistent , but it was not good for my brain , and again , brain health , not sexy , necessary . All right , we're gonna go . Health , wealth , life and love this is health . We haven't talked about stuff .
We gotta talk about stuff like this because this is stuff that we're actively doing and practicing and I want to make sure we share it , even though it might not be sexy . This might not be the most listened to episode we ever do , but it could be one of the most valuable ones , and that's what we're here for .
¶ Outro
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