¶ Intro / Opening
One of my weaknesses and in this episode we'll figure out whether or not it's an actual weakness is not wanting to learn from people that I don't like . I've never been able to do it . I will not read a book from somebody I don't like . I will not . They could give me the answers to all life's problems . I wouldn't take them .
I don't know if this is a strength . I don't know if it's a weakness . Well , we're going to talk about it today .
There's something called the liking bias and the disliking bias . It's a cognitive bias where , if you like someone , you inherently unconsciously believe that what they're saying is more accurate than it really is . And if you dislike someone , you might think what they're saying is wrong , when in reality they're actually accurate .
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Welcome to Next Level University . Welcome to Next Level University , next Level Nation . Today for episode number 2076 , should you learn from people you don't like ? I was on a podcast pre-call one time , alan , and I told you I think you were going to do a podcast pre-call and I was like dude , don't even waste your time , don't even waste your time .
This is not going to go well . And this person was just like they were over the top and they were not very self-aware . They thought they were super self-aware . I was not a fan of this person and at some point they were like trying to coach me and they're like well , you know , everybody can learn something from everybody .
And in my head I was thinking I'm not going to learn anything from you . I don't want to learn anything from you . I to learn anything from you . I don't like you , I don't , I don't . It's very hard for me to parse out the value while disliking someone . So I said to Alan I said do you think that would be a valuable episode ?
Because I'm sure there's a ton of lessons out there from
¶ Learning from People Unlike You
people that I don't like and like Grant Cardone's always an example I use in this podcast . I don't like him , so I'm not not going to learn anything from him . I've already convinced myself in my mind that listening to his stuff is not worth it and slash , I think I'm also okay with not getting the value , even if it's there .
I don't believe that there's like some life-altering thing that I'm missing out on . And even if there was , why can't I find it in somebody that I like ?
well , that's a dangerous game and the other side of this coin . There was a time in our past where kevin wasn't my biggest fan . We went to middle school and high school together , grew up in the same town in massachusetts , born and raised yes a couple young lads , yes , grew without fathers and we did the traditional .
I did the traditional kindergarten , no , preschool , kindergarten , middle school , high school , college and corporate . And in high school , kev was not my biggest fan . I think that what you're saying if you are mature and physically , mentally , emotionally and spiritually well-developed , I think that's good Like .
At this stage , if I was your coach , I wouldn't say I don't know . Man , you should really go learn from people you don't like . No , but there was a time in the past where you and I you were more emotionally driven and I was more rational and logical Still the case , but it was extreme before .
And the people that I resonated with , that I wanted to interview you didn't want to interview . And the people you wanted to interview I kind of didn't want to interview and we drove to five , which is good because we learned a lot of stuff we wouldn't have otherwise .
And I think that that's the dangerous game of only learning from people you like , because what if you dislike them based on ignorance ?
It's fair and very possible and very possible . Okay , how do you I feel like you're definitely way better at this than I am how do you get to the place where you're open to learning something from somebody that you're not open to liking , potentially ?
¶ Can you separate message from messenger?
There's a speech on my . I have a playlist on my YouTube of all the best content that I've curated over the years . That I think is of value , and I frequent same books , same speeches , over and over and over again . I want to drill it deeper , deeper , deeper , deeper .
There's a speech by someone who I don't like at all , but the speech is world-class and the more I dislike this man , the harder it is for me to learn from him . But I can override those biases . The disliking bias states that you are less likely to believe someone if you don't like them . That's actually one of the biggest problems I have in life .
What I'm saying is really valuable , but a lot of people shut off to it because they don't like me . Seriously , it's just be , and for the engineers and physicists and scientists out there , people don't like you that much and that makes you have less influence .
Unfortunately , that's actually one of the biggest challenges I face today is how do I be a leader and be influential without being liked ? And you have to choose being . You have to be liked and also respected , and also people have to believe in you and they have to believe what you say has merit and you have to have the results , but you also can't be .
You have to be far ahead , but you can't be too far ahead . It's a whole fucking thing . It's really quite annoying .
I chose liked a long time ago .
Yeah , I chose liked a long time ago .
Yeah , I made a conscious decision of like , look , if I could have one or the other just like me , and then eventually , like 10 , 15 , 20 years down the line , when I do accomplish some of the things that I said I was going to , maybe you'll respect me .
¶ Choosing between being liked or respected
I think that's shifting . You're leaning more towards being respected with that toxic guy that we talked about in the last episode . For me , it's more about self-respect , oh yeah , but that's . I think that's the road to respect , because when you're trying to be liked , I downloaded a book once called the 26 ways to be more likable . I deleted it immediately .
I started listening to it and I it might as well be sell your fucking soul to get people to validate and like you . And there's the how to win friends and influence people and all this stuff . It's very scary when you start molding yourself to try to be more liked because you can't . Everyone has an opinion .
If I love Titanic and Kevin loves Titanic , the movie , there's going to be at least 20% of the population that says what are you soft bro like Titanic really ?
But if you focus more on the people that don't like you , which tends to be a cognitive bias as well , when you get rocks thrown at you , you tend to take that feedback harder than the people that are saying , oh , I love Titanic too , and so we would give speeches and there'd be one person there's one person I'm referring to I back harder than the people that
are saying , oh , I love Titanic too , and so we would give speeches and there'd be one person . There's one person I'm referring to . I refer to as Danny Daggers , and this guy fucking hated me and I gave him more attention than the people that loved my speech . I didn't mean to , it's just you identify the threat .
It's like , oh , this dude fucking hates me , and so , at the end of the day , I think it's very dangerous . We're all a warning and an example and you can learn from people , even if it's what not to do , and I think it's important to stay open .
But also try , obviously , to find people that you like , like Brian Tracy boring as shit , but I like the guy and I love learning from him , so that works . But there's some people that are really , really intelligent that I can learn something from . That I actually don't like at all , and that's really tough . It's tough .
Yeah , okay . If I said you are my coach , you don't have to say if I was your coach , you are my coach . What am I leaving on the table by not being more open to that ?
¶ The line between tough love and toxicity
Challenging question into that . I don't think as much as you used to , because you have been on this journey with someone so different than you for eight years . But back in the day , dude , you were so closed off to people like me , which are really intelligent people .
I went to school and college with some of the just genius engineers right , you learn so much from these people , even though some of them are really arrogant . There's one I'm thinking of right now that I will not say aloud , but he's arrogant as fuck .
Like he's kind of an asshole , to be honest not even kind of , but he's really smart and I learned a shitload from him . And he's hilarious too . I don't know if I'd call him toxic . I think he can be at times , but I'm I'm not the biggest fan , I don't .
I don't think he's the first person I'd call to hang out with , but I'll tell you what he's the first person I'd call when I'm studying for electronics , and I think there's something there .
There is , but at the same time , when you and I first met , you had an aversion to people that were extremely intelligent , because you were insecure about your intelligence , and I think that and again , correct me if I'm wrong here , but I think we all have these protectors . So , oh , not like me . So I'm instead of saying you know what ?
I'm not that smart and I want to be around smarter people so that I can get smarter . You would just assume smart people were arrogant , and in some cases they actually were right , I don't know that's .
I mean , that's a . I'd have to dig on that because I feel like I've I respected intelligent people who were kind , like I feel like that . I remember in the very beginning well , I was , I was buying a laptop and you're like dude , I got a guy Like I'll message the guy . He knows everything about laptops he's going to give us .
He'll tell you exactly what to buy . I had massive respect for the fact that this person was so smart when it comes to that . But I also knew this person . They were very kind .
They weren't like
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It breaks down your dreams into goals , milestones and daily habits . We hope you enjoy it . The link will be in the show notes . This goes back to what we talked about in the last episode . If you did not listen to the previous episode . These episodes go hand in hand . 2074 and 2075? . 2075 , 2076 . Okay 2075 , 2076 .
Okay , 2075 and 2076 go hand in hand , because Kevin's obsession is being a good person . And then there's , we got to go dig deeper . What does it mean to be a good person ? Be kind to other people and don't bully people .
Kindness , I think you and I have that I don't like bullies .
Same . There's a big difference between someone who's intelligent , who's challenging your thinking to try to help you grow , versus being a fucking asshole .
You know , you know what got me the dude in the gym ? There's , there's this guy who has a personal trainer and he's he's overweight and he was doing like he was doing an exercise of like sitting down on the bench and getting back up and this , this toxic dude , was like you , you ever do that for a workout . It's like dude , why don't you fuck off ?
You ever thought of that ? You ever thought of fucking right off to the corner , like what's the dude's trying ? Like what are you ? What's , what are we doing here ? You're not as good as you think . You want me to tear you apart and how you aren't in good shape . Like no , you don't want that . You should that .
That I don't know . No , I've thought about it .
If he asks me , I'm gonna fucking give it to him well , so he was making fun of someone . Yeah , he was . He was literally making and he wanted me to join in . It's like dude . I'm not . That ain't me . No , what are we ? What are we ? 12 years old man , did you never grow up like ? What the fuck are we doing here ?
Nice , that dude that always fires me up . But you think I'm gonna learn anything from this dude ? No , definitely not a fucking chance ? definitely not . I don't care if he has a , a 75 million dollar company and he has all the answers . I don't want him . You keep those answers and I'll go find them somewhere else or I'll just suffer for longer .
But we've had mentors .
This is the problem . We've had mentors that we learned a ton from that . We eventually realized ah , you know , these people don't have the character standards that , yes , we want , and so it's hard for me .
I can't tell if I just learned from too many people with poor character or if you were not open-minded enough I think it's both I I do I think it's both honestly , it's definitely both yeah it's both dude . And ideally you'd find people to learn from that also have good character , that is not that easy to do , though .
¶ Why high standards narrow mentorship
No , I think it's a challenge . I mean , okay , even if we were to do the math , I'm not going to do it . If you want to do it , you can , because that's more your brand than mine , but if some , okay , I'm going to learn from somebody who is successful Cool One checkbox . I am going to learn from somebody who is successful Cool One checkbox .
I am going to learn from somebody who is successful and a good person . That's two checkboxes . I'm going to learn from somebody who is successful , a good person and good for the world . That's three checkboxes , and the more checkboxes you have , the smaller the sample sizes , the smaller the nice work is . That is that fact . Did I say things nice that ?
I want if one in a hundred people is successful in the thing that you're talking about yeah and if one in a hundred is good , successful and good character , and if one in a hundred is good , I'm screwing this up . If there's one in a hundred , what are the three things ?
Character , success and one more uh , good for the good good person , good for the world , successful . Give me , give me another one , because good for the world and good person are probably the same . They're very similar , so give me a different one . Let's say in shape , in shape , okay , that's been tough for me .
For this there's certain there's one person I love his thinking . His name is dan . I'm going to use first names only because I don't want to shit on people . His name is Dan and he's very big in the business space and , as a business student and teacher , I want to learn from people in business and I love this dude's books and his thinking is really good .
He's got some mental frameworks that are powerful . I'll give you one the 25 year framework . In 25 years , that's a hundred quarters . What could you do with a hundred quarters ? I mean that's just like whoa , I have a hundred fucking quarters . Dreamliner , unapologetic plug Achieve your dreams 90 days at a time . 90 days is a quarter .
A hundred of these dialed in every single day , I mean you can . You can change the world in your own unique way . All right . So his name's Dan . I love his thinking , but it was hard for me to see him speak . He's not a good speaker . He's not in even reasonable shape . He doesn't have any of the other core values I have . He also is kind of arrogant .
He is lazy . To be completely honest , he's kind of fucking lazy . So it's harder for me to learn from him because he doesn't share work ethic , he doesn't share humility . He doesn't share fitness like I do , but I still learn from the guy . So this is a good conversation because well , that was the goal .
That was the goal for me of this episode is I don't have an answer on this and I don't . I don't even know if I could be persuaded . I don't know if you could . I don't know if anybody could possibly persuade me , I think . I don't know if I'm just that stubborn well , I'm very grateful that you learned from me because , well , I love you .
It's not , that's you're love you . You're a good person . You're a good person . I know you behind the scenes . I know you behind the scenes and you're good for the world .
I appreciate that brother . Like you said if I'm ever toxic or entitled or disrespectful .
you can call me up . Yeah , those are the call-outs . Those are the call-outs . I don't know .
We don't have an answer for this necessarily know we don't have an answer for this necessarily . I know we got to jump super fast . It was good person , it was successful good person and , let's say , in shape , sure .
So if it's one in a hundred , one in a hundred , one in a hundred , that's one in a million , and if you're looking for a mentor , you might want to start where you are . So that's my thesis .
My next level lesson is get a mentor in your immediate , someone who you can access , and get a mentor or a coach , and they don't have to be perfect , but as long as they check a couple of the boxes , it's good to have a . It's good to have a mediocre mentor than no mentor .
But if you can get one that you respect and admire and shares all the core values and is a good person and is in shit like , of course , obviously right , so yeah yeah , I would say again if you feel dirty after learning from the person , that's a sign .
¶ Learning from imperfect mentors
If you feel a little bit , a little bit , a little bit uncomfortable or a little bit of discomfort at the ego level , it's like I feel a little , maybe sit , sit with that and I'm telling myself that as much as anybody else , because I'm on the far end of this , the far end , all right , cool , great episode man . Yeah , I appreciate it . It was two of us .
You added a lot of value . I tried to add some value too . It was a great topic . It was a good topic . I feel like we had good prep for these two episodes .
Yeah , because we were supposed to record one . We were supposed to record one .
We didn't , so we talked about with the two that we were going to record . It's good , it's good , all right , cool . Next level nation . If you are wondering some of the other things that we do at next level university , we have a website it is nextleveluniversecom and it has all the things we do , a lot of things .
We have a charity , book club , monthly meetups , facebook group , group coaching , one-on-one coaching . There's a lot of stuff . So you're interested , head on over to nextleveluniversecom and maybe there is something there for you , whether it's book club or whatever . Whatever it may be .
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¶ Outro
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