¶ Intro / Opening
I was on a podcast today as a guest and the host and I had a spirited gentle debate , slash disagreement .
He was talking about how most people don't set goals that are big enough and I said , with all due respect , based on our anecdotal evidence of coaching many , many people , I think most people who tell people to set goals have way more self-belief and they're actually misaligning them and misguiding them .
I always say if you aim too high , you are going to get repeated humble pie . If you aim too low , you won't grow . Everyone has their own unique sweet spot challenge skills sweet spot and it changes as you get older and older and older . It changes as you progress .
Beginners and novices are different , novices and professionals are different , and so it changes for everyone . So it's very difficult and very important to understand this .
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Welcome to Next Level University , next Level Nation today for episode number 2061 . Choose a battle you think you can win . So , technically , this is the second time we did this , because we did . We had a real . We chose a battle we couldn't win . Yeah , we lost the previous battle , alan's wife . I was Jeff . We had nine minutes to record the episode .
It was a whole thing . I had to cancel the podcast . I was on . It's a whole thing . But here we are for take two and this one's going to be better .
Okay , I was listening to Upstream a book by Dan Heath that was recommended to me by Alan , and I was getting out of my car today , after the gym , got home , parked the car , getting out and the last thing I heard was something along the lines of this If you're doing something new , if you're focused on progress , if you're outside of your comfort zone , choose
a fight that you really believe you can win . And I had this moment where I was like that might be the best way I've ever heard that put . If you're somebody who is feeling stuck right now , you most likely should not try to reroute and uproot your entire life . You should probably pick the first battle you think you can win .
Then when you win that battle , I can pick a different one and it can be a bigger battle and if you do that for long enough , eventually you have really big battles that you can win . But it's really easy to get lost with the advice out there that is being given to you by people who have super high self-belief .
I remember in the beginning I would see people that were quote unquote successful and I remember thinking they don't understand me .
I can tell by the advice that they are giving other people that they don't understand what it's like to be somebody who doesn't believe in themselves , and that has been a thing that you and I have been working together on for the last eight years .
So I just felt like , yeah , we've talked about this a lot , but that was a breakthrough for me , and if it's a breakthrough for me , I assume somebody else out there will take something from it as well .
That's changed my life . When I go on other podcasts , that's one of the things that I articulate to some of these guests , some of these business owners . They really don't have any idea what it's like to not have really , really , really high self-belief .
¶ Advice from people with high belief
You were on the show . Alan the dude is a former Marine , a former boxer . He is a he's like a world renowned metal artist who has had like his metal art show Is his name Len . No , it was Richard Sharpen . The Spear is the name of the podcast .
You were on it , I think , and again , it was a great episode , like great dude , but it was like you have so much self-belief you don't even know how much self-belief you have you have so much self-belief Like it's super high , but no one tells him that how much self-belief you have .
You have so much self-belief Like it's super high , but no one tells him that I know , I know . Yeah , but you did , I did . Did he know ? Did he know that he has high self-belief ?
No , I don't . Even after I said it , I think he was like yeah , I feel , you know , I believe in myself a lot .
I , I know , I know , I know Vulnerable episode for me . Two sides of the same coin . Kevin and I drive to five . Both perspectives will be of value . Yin and yang Insert metaphor here . The whole picture . Okay , I'm done . I had no fucking idea , man . I'm telling you the only reason .
I know this when I go on a podcast and it's for achievers , they'll say , hey , my podcast is for achievers . I was like perfect , fuck , yeah , awesome , let's do it . What does that tell me ? People who have high self-belief ? Yeah , pretty much . If you don't have high self-belief , you don't identify as an achiever .
I've been in rooms where I said who here identifies an achiever ? And no one raised their hand and I was like , seriously . But now I understand . Everyone thinks they're right , which is why everyone's wrong , because what is constructive for one person is destructive for the other . If I set low goals , that would be terrible for me .
I would get too arrogant too quickly . It would be big fish , small pond . I won most of the basketball games that I played in pickup basketball in my small town . That got to my head . And then I was in Venice Beach and I got reverse dunked on by someone in sandals who played D1 for UConn . That was important for me . That was that changed my life .
That changed my perspective and my life in a good way , in a very good way . I think that self-concept and self-belief and self-efficacy is what it's known as in psychology is the most important understanding of self .
I don't know why I say important in such an interesting way , when I go on these podcasts , I find myself trying to explain this to the host , because they'll say things like well , you got to aim super high , and I'll say , yes , but it depends , and you and I on the previous episode that was nine minutes and my wi-fi kicked out multiple times .
So far , so good . By the way , yeah , everything's with this . I feel good about this one same same . I did not feel good about the last one me either . Let's talk about a challenge . Let's do this in nine minutes .
The thing that we were talking about on the last episode that did not work out that was a battle we lost is how many people at the top of an industry tend to be the speakers or the leaders . So whoever has the most credibility sometimes has the worst advice sometimes has the worst advice .
¶ Bad advice from successful people
What if it's as simple as if you pick a room of 100 people . What if the top the five people who believe the most in themselves , have a much higher likelihood of being successful ? Then they're the ones that get asked for advice and they're giving advice to the other 95 people who don't need to hear that .
They actually need to hear drastically different stuff , because if they hear the right stuff , they actually can unlock within themselves what they're supposed to be doing .
I do hope that you can elevate yourself to a place and when I say hope , we're working on it , it's not just hope , but I didn't think of a better word .
I do believe that when you and I continue to earn our way to success , I feel like you'll have a stage , literally and metaphorically , to talk about this , Because I didn't know this until you told me Kevin , way back eight years ago . He'd say dude , that doesn't make any sense to someone like me . And I said what do you mean ?
He's like I don't believe in myself like you do , so that's dumb . And this is something I used to say .
I was guilty of this . What you're talking about with that ? To say I was guilty of this , what you're talking about with that host , I was guilty of this . I was too , because I listened , because I tried to be more like you . I'm as guilty of this as anybody , for sure .
100 but I didn't know . I don't know why you were doing it with all the love , because I thought I thought I was wrong .
I thought I was wrong I mean again , all these people were successful . I , they must have the answers that I don't , and they did . They had some , but the answer is the equation is different , so the answer is different , so everything's a little . I mean it's . It's a different recipe , so all the ingredients are different .
Okay . So I would say the the best way to get better at chess is to go lose a bunch of chess . That is how I get better . I just I want to go and play someone better than me and lose so I can learn what they did to beat me . I remember when I used to be a semi-pro gamer , I would purposely play really good players when I was trying to have fun .
I would actually set up , create a new account and go back to so .
¶ Losing to learn and get better
Starcraft 2 is just an example , but I'll go quick with this . They had ranking . Most games have ranking .
They gamify the game and you start with I don't know bronze , and then it's silver , and then it's gold , and then it's diamond , and then it's super diamond , and it's just like this whole ranking system and eventually you become a grandmaster and then you only play the best on planet earth and it's not fun anymore . It's .
This is fucking brutal If I suck , if I suck for even a millisecond . I mean there's something click rate . Your click rate has to be 400 clicks per second , or per minute , rather , in order to even be at that level . And you , if you've ever seen this on twitch and people that are pro gamers , you can't fuck around .
I mean , that's a very competitive e-sport , not a sport . I can't call it a sport . It's an e-sport . However , I would purposely create a new account , like I'd have a friend come over , we'd play 2v2 all night and we'd create new accounts so we could just stomp on newbies and and it was awesome , we never lost a game .
It was just we'd win 100 in a row , just have a blast , just stomping people , and then , when we got to Diamond and Grandmaster and all that Master and then Grandmaster , we started losing again . But I remember every time we lost , I would go back to what they did Because we would have a strategy right .
This is called a real-time strategy game by RTS is what it's called For the nerds out there you already know this . We would literally get beaten . So we used to use a certain unit Zerglings is what it was called and we would beat everybody . That same strategy we would beat everybody .
Zerglings . Zerglings is what it's called .
Zerglings . Okay , we would do a and we would 2v2 and we'd beat everybody . And then eventually someone stopped it and we'd go how did we just get beaten ? How did that happen ? And again they used roaches it's another unit in the game . Kevin's going to laugh his ass off on this but then I would say , okay , let's do that .
And then we'd do that until we lost , and then we'd figure out what we lost to , and then we'd do that , and , and then we'd figure out what we lost to , and then we'd do that , and eventually you just get so damn good . And then I remember I went to a tournament once and we were winning .
But here's the problem with the tournament Everyone can watch the games . So they saw our strategy and it only worked for the first few games . So we beat one of the best 2v2 teams in the entire country , but we couldn't only , we could only beat them once , because then they country .
But we could only beat them once because then they changed their strategy and we were so not adaptable . We only had one strategy that we just rinse and repeat . But my point of all this is I would just lose until I was the best .
And I know how freaking pretentious that sounds , but at the end of the day and I said this in the last episode that didn't air if you give a speech to a thousand people and bomb and then go back to the drawing board and figure out why you bombed , and then get back on stage and then do that over and over and over and over and over again , eventually you
will be a really strong speaker . I had a speech recently that I very rarely think . I very rarely step off a stage virtually or in person , where I don't think it was awful . This one I crushed it was . I mean , everyone was just blown away .
What percentage do you get off and think you did well ? I'm willing to bet it's the exact opposite for me . And I think it's supposed to be 97 garbage okay , I don't know if I'm that , I'm probably 90 90 . I get off saying like good luck , who's ever , whoever's following me ?
I'm only looking at where I suck , though I know which is . Which is bad if you have low self-belief .
I think that's where I'm supposed to look . I think that's where Now , as my self-belief increases , I can't just always look there .
That's the thing . What do you do now ? Are you looking for where you sucked ? Yeah ,
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But a lot of it's like I can I don't know . You know you can tell like you hit flow and it's like I hammered that . That was beautiful . That's exactly how I wanted to go . And here are three things that I know I'll do better next time . Yeah , but I , I'm telling you if .
If you said yeah , but I'm telling you , if you said , give me one sentence to sum everything up , not everything , all of this . The difference , all the difference is is you either say I don't know how to do it yet or I'll never know how to do it . One is a growth mindset , one is a fixed mindset . That is it for the longest time . For me it was .
I will never know how to do that .
Okay , can you explain To me ? That's just really irrational . And I'm not trying to be pretentious , I just you could be a speaker . Okay , you and I both decided to be a speaker eight years ago . Okay , let's do speaking , because I think that's one of the top fears in the world it's being a speaker eight years ago .
Okay , let's do speaking , because I think that's one of the top fears in the world being a speaker . And I'm afraid of it too , just not in the same way you are . I'm afraid everyone's going to hate me , and I don't . I'm not sure . I mean in Toastmasters , I think a lot of them really enjoyed me , which I was very grateful . So something's changing .
I like that . Either that or they were pretending to like me . We'll see . You and I both decided to be a speaker eight years ago , and this is something that Brian Tracy says , and Brian Tracy is the most boring personal development speaker in the game . But this dude has some fire .
He said if you do not love what you do , enough to at least want to be the best at it , get out of it like you would a burning building . But again , that's probably bad advice for someone who has low belief . He says this excellence driven . People at the top of their field always decide in advance to be the best .
They don't go into a job and say I'm going to just see how this goes . That's not how a lot of people that are achievers do things . I don't play Starcraft to play Starcraft . I play Starcraft to get to be the best to ever play it , knowing that I might not , but I'm going to at least go for it .
¶ Mastery mindset and speaker stories
And like when I was snowboarding or basketball , I never just did that for fun . It was always how do I get better , how can I be the best ? And when I saw a friend getting better , I would find out why they were better and all that kind of stuff . It's something called mastery driven . So you and I both decide to be a speaker .
I have high enough self-belief to say , okay , I'm going to be a speaker and I'm going to eventually be successful , no matter how long it takes . And I'll just constantly go back to the drawing board and figure out how to get better , how to get better , how to get better , how to get better .
I'm going to look at where I suck more than where I win , and I'm never going to stop until that's mindset one , and that's the rare one .
What is your mindset ? I never intended on being a speaker . That was never part of the plan . We just did a speech . It was like all right , I'm pretty well , I can do that . I'm see , I know it's funny , I'm serious . I never intended on being a lot of the things I am . I never intended on being the podcast guy . What if you decided to be ?
You would have been so much better off . I don't think I was capable of it .
Yet Now I can decide certain things . Well , you did decide to be a great speaker now .
Now , but not in the beginning . I didn't think I could be . I didn't think I could be . I didn't think I could speak on stage . What an advantage you had A hundred percent .
Because I was studying speaking , and that's why .
I was always so frustrated Like Alan , why don't you just fucking prep Like you just show up and wing it . Imagine if you prepped like I do . Yeah , you'd be the best already . Yeah , I was afraid of success .
I think well , and I think when you have super high self-belief you don't really care if you take an l saying , yeah , whatever , I'll just do better next time for me , you know really messed up way I wanted the challenge of not prep it's it's fair I don't .
I need the certainty of prepping less now , less now , because now it's like , yeah , I do think I don't prep as much as you used to because it's more of a challenge .
Right , it's no ?
I'm more confident that I don't need to . I don't think of it from the challenge . I think of it as I'm . I'm better than I used to be , so I don't need to prep as much , just like I don't know , I don't have a good example of this will be a metaphor .
I know we gotta go , we should have some time which nice but I like to make it harder , not easier , In the gym . The goal is to make it harder . You and I are very different in this and I'll share this briefly . I never go down in weight , I only go up . So what most people do is they do a warmup set and then their highest weight working set .
I never do that . I do a warmup set and then I increase the weight as I get more gassed . Same , and I do that through the entire , through the entire workout , for all six exercises , sometimes seven . I'm trying to make it as hard as humanly possible , because that's how growth is a byproduct of making it harder , assuming you have high self-belief .
But here's the problem I tweaked my knee , so now I have to be careful . Like I went in , Emilia and I , we were crunched for time . I had an 11 o'clock , so did she . We had a long morning , good things , all this stuff . We had a long conversation about finance and our future in the car and we're like Seems to be a trend today .
Yeah , I was gonna say and I'm like we gotta , can it ? We gotta do a half hour and then we gotta walk later . She's like , good , let's get in the gym . I wanted to get all six exercises done in 30 minutes with no breaks . I tweaked my fucking knee Because I was trying to get too much done in too short of a time .
So then I had to back off a little , but I didn't go down in weight , I just didn't go up as much as I usually do . Your level of self-belief , known as self-efficacy , determines how much challenge you can handle in a given moment . The nine minutes with my Wi-Fi not working , that was too much . It was too big of an issue .
My wifi cut out two for like three minutes out of the entire nine . That was too much of a challenge for us . And it's not , it's going to be garbage . It's going to be at the expense of the audience , at the expense of the show , you and me . Okay , here's the topic , here's the title Cold opens , boom , let's rock that . 20 minutes we got , we both have .
I have coaching in five minutes . You have something that is good amount of challenge . I'm always trying to optimize the right amount of challenge always , and that's why they have the ranking system . You're not supposed to create a new account and then play newbies that you don't get any better doing that well , it's called skill based matchmaking .
¶ Skill-based goal setting explained
Now , that's what that is in call of duty skill based matchmaking . You're playing against people who are at a similar skill level to you , so it's the right challenge yeah right , you're saying play people worse , I'm saying play people better if you just started . Well , here's the thing . There's no such thing as skill-based goal setting .
That's not what we're told . We're not told to set . Set your goals based on your skills nope , nope , fire . People are telling you to set your goals based on what they think your goal should be or what they create . That , yeah , we can , we can create that . That's trademarked . Don't take that . No , I'm just kidding . Skill-based goal setting .
I think that again , I don't know if I like skill-based , but I think there should be things that you don't just pick a goal , you just pick a goal out of a fucking hat . I know that's good , I'll do that . No , no , why don't we ? When you go to a buffet , you choose the food that you like .
You go to the buffet because it has a bunch of food , but most of the food you like .
And 20% of it . I do 80-20 . 80% is the food I like . 20% I'm going to give this a shot .
Fair Good Split test . I think that's very similar when it comes to goals . You should , I think you should at least think you can win , if uh directly connected to the level of self-belief you have right because other .
If the goal is to get better , you don't have to win as long as you have a growth mindset ellen I had , I had to do really well the first speech I gave . I'm telling you it would have been drastically detrimental if I didn't . I had to crush it .
Non-negotiable it was good for you that I bombed it . It was really good Because it made you feel better about yourself .
Yeah , it was really good for me , honestly .
It's good for me every time .
Every time you bomb something Because you don't react , it doesn't affect you in a negative way and it gives me a little check mark of like oh okay , maybe I can do this , that's it . Maybe I can't . Now do we need to put in that I prep for seven hours and alan prep for seven minutes ? No , it doesn't really help , right ?
it doesn't matter but I was dumb , I prepped more
¶ Find the right challenge for your current level
than that .
Now , well , I've been humbled enough times I I don't have to lose sleep because I have a presentation tomorrow . That's where I started . I started way down there like , okay , what do I have ? I gotta can the entire day . You had a week once .
It doesn't surprise me went to an event and you're like , dude , I need a week after brother . Yeah , it doesn't surprise .
How silly is that in hindsight , though now now , but at the time I'm telling you it was probably it was exactly what I thought I needed . Was it actually actually what I needed ? I don't know . But all right , real quick next level lesson for me 13 15 .
Second next level lesson yeah , choose a fight that you believe you can win and if you lose , you'll be able to get up tomorrow and fight again . When I was training to fight , I had this thought all the time . I'm not gonna win every fight , but I do want to make sure my opponent never wants to fight me again . That was my goal .
If you're gonna fight me , you might beat me , but you're gonna say I don't want to do that again . That was always my thought process . I think set goals like that too nice .
Find your challenge skills sweet spot and recheck in with it when you , when you play someone better than you and you win oh , maybe I'm better than I thought . If you play someone better than you and you lose , maybe you need to go back to the drawing board .
I , I think , I think all of us need people ahead of us , behind us and at our level , because it keeps us centered . I can't just win all the time . Anyone who wins all the time gets arrogant . Anyone who only loses is going to have terrible self-esteem .
So you've got to find enough wins and losses and I think that we're all in control of that a little more . When I'm flying high , I look at my L's more . When I'm down and out , I don't only look at L's . I tell Emilia I need snugs , I love you , I'm vulnerable , I'm feeling it . Her and I are hard on each other . Only when it's optimal Makes sense .
All right .
¶ Outro
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