¶ Increasing Locus of Control Through Skills
I saw a dad playing with his kids and it hurt me and I haven't felt that in a long time . It hurt me . It was like number one . I was like I really hope he's a good dad . That was my initial thought . It's like , ah , that's cool , like good for them , I really hope he's a good dad . But then there was that little piece of me that was like ah f .
I never got that . I never had that .
So it's like this weird ladder that you climb and I think people get stuck because they feel so uncertain and out of control that they don't set goals . And what's ironic is that the only way to increase your locus of control is to set goals and then go fail forward until you learn how to get them .
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Welcome to Next Level University , next Level Nation . Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University where we help you level up your life , your love , your health and your wealth . We hope you enjoyed yesterday's episode , episode number 1627 , self-sabotage versus self-survival .
Today , for episode number 1628 , we're going to do , as previously spoken about , a freestyle Friday . My guess , alan , is I will never have the actual title of the episode to do live . It most likely will get added after we're finished . I'll add okay , what was the main point , and that'll become the episode title .
What was the through line ? What was the ?
through line in the episode as we say in the biz . This was a thought I had . So I did a Next Level live in our Facebook group . Oh yeah , how'd it go ? I saw that it was awesome . It was awesome . I love it . I was so tired before I did it . It reignited me . I was ready for the rest of the day . It was awesome .
But Amy and I were talking about why self-awareness is one of the , if not the most important thing , and after I was thinking and just wondering , I'm going to talk about our freestyle Friday . What am I going through ? What am I learning All of that ? I believe one of the things that we're all struggling with is perceived lack of control .
One of the things that I feel more confident in now is my ability to succeed at things . I feel like I'm in more control of my future because I'm in more control of my ability to control the present , and I believe that's what we're all after .
I think we're all after the ability to control our reality 100% , but the hardest part of that is the only real way to get perceived lack of control is to go through the bouts of not , or to get through . It is to go through . It Is to understand there are certain things that you have control over .
There are certain things that you could have better control over , but you don't have the skills yet . Maybe hypothetically . There are some things that you have very little control over . But as you work on yourself and you evolve and you grow , I think that's really what confidence is .
A deep part of confidence is having the certainty that you know you can figure it out Absolutely . And if somebody was to say , kev , why are you more confident now than you were before ? It's not because of my results . I don't think that has anything to do with it . I think it . I won't say it doesn't have anything . It helps in the momentary bouts .
But when my back is up against the wall , the things that normally in the past would cause me to say I don't know how I'm going to get through this are now God , this really sucks , but I can do blank , blank , blank and blank , and that is a completely different world and I want that world for each and every one of you watching or listening .
But that that's kind of the direction I wanted to go in in terms of the thought I had . Again , I don't really want to have a direction for freestyle Friday . We'll see how it goes , but that . Have you ever had that ? Have you that ? That's part two . I think one of the reasons you're so confident is because you have perceived control of everything Kind of .
Yeah . So the question becomes how ? How do you ? When you're a kid , you don't have any control over almost anything . That's fair . And you don't get to choose your parents . You don't get to choose where you're born , you don't get to choose where you live . You don't get to choose what you drive , because you don't drive .
Most likely , as a small infant you shouldn't be . You can't control much of anything . It's called a locus of control if you study the literature . But how ? How do you increase your locus of control ? And there's a lot of answers to that question . One of them is skills .
So , for example , when Kevin and I first started this podcast , he was trying to manufacture certainty , and so was I , and if you were to listen to early episodes , you would sense ego , and by ego what I mean is insecurity built on our inabilities to know what the hell we're talking about .
Yeah yeah .
So we would manufacture certainty to present confidently that which we did not understand yet . And we didn't understand it , but we kind of did , which is why we were sort of manufacturing confidence . That's what I call that . So skills is number one .
When you develop really good skills like if you and I play basketball one-on-one , you're going to feel less in control than me because I've played longer , I'm taller , I'm better . If we were to grapple , I would feel less in control than you because you've done this before . So you have a better skill at grappling , I have a better skill at basketball .
And so , for the listeners , think about what you have high skills at and what you don't . We did a group coaching episode , a group coaching session , session five , with group 13 last night , and some people in that room had felt very in control of the financial future . Some of them didn't at all . And it all depends on your skill set , your skill .
I think earning money is a skill . Learning how to earn money is a skill . Do you understand it ? Do you know how to do it ? Do you know why to do it ? Do you have the skills that are monetizable , that are valuable in the marketplace , that kind of stuff . So skills is number one .
So that's , if you're very skillful and you've developed a lot of skills like leadership and effective communication and business and finance , you're going to feel more in control of your own future , and I think that's one of the reasons you feel more in control of your own future . I would say so the other one is relationships when you develop .
So I'll give you a perfect example . So , emilia , I think about this all the time because I used to be semi alone , even when I was in intimate relationships .
I always felt like I was more responsible for our future than they were , and one of the reasons why and I used to be bashful about this and I used to not want to share this because I was not only cowardly but afraid to be villainized , which I think is the same thing ultimately I just had higher skills and I was more marketable in the economy .
So our future , our financial future , our career and our careers and our future was more on my back than theirs , because whoever has higher self-belief , higher skills , higher capabilities , higher potential is actually the one who has to put the team on their back , so to speak .
So in this analogy , if you're the best basketball player on the court , the team is relying on you more than the bench players , and that makes sense , and that's why they're paid more , because you take on more responsibility and , technically , your responsibility that you take on is in direct proportion to your potential .
But here's the problem If you don't take on responsibility , you won't develop your potential . So it's this weird sort of cycle of I don't think I have high potential , I don't believe in myself , so I'm not going to take on more responsibility . Therefore I'm not going to develop my skills . Therefore I'm not going to learn .
Remember one time you said , alan , I don't understand how you know all this . And I said , kev , I had to know this . I had to know this in order to achieve my dreams . But I wouldn't have had those dreams if I didn't believe in myself , and I wouldn't have believed in myself unless I had developed up to that point .
So it's like this weird ladder that you climb and I think people get stuck because they feel so uncertain and out of control that they don't set goals . And what's ironic is that the only way to increase your locus of control is to set goals and then go fail forward until you learn how to get them .
And then , when you do get them , you self assign it and go look , what else can I do ? What else can I do ? What else can I do ? I mean getting one client . You got a client today . In the beginning that was like that would have changed your whole day . You would have celebrated for a whole week . And now you're like cool , awesome and it was good .
It was a moment , still celebrated , still important , but it's not life changing . It's not to the way that it used to be , because inside of you you know you can do that now .
¶ Navigating Insecurities and Personal Development
It's very strange how the thing that you run from is the thing that you need to spend the most time in . Yeah , it really is . You want to be more comfortable with cold water . You have to sit in cold water .
It sucks .
You have to be it kind of sucks . Yeah , it kind of sucks . We're talking . Also today we were talking about the one awareness . I asked Amy because I like asking questions , even when I'm getting asked , I just I like to ask questions . I said what was the number one awareness that shifted the most for you ?
And she went into hers and I said I think for me there's two thoughts . The more you try to run away from an insecurity or go around it , the worse it gets . I think that's one because you don't get to the root cause of actually dealing with it fixing the insecurity , whatever that means . I won't say fixing it , but coming to terms with whatever that means .
And the second one I said is I , for most of my life we'll say , excuse me . We'll say , physically I've been in shape pretty much my whole life and I think I've probably looked confident . I think if somebody saw me they'd probably say that kid is confident , he's a confident guy In the gym . If you , yeah , yeah , in the gym .
Or if you saw me at the beach without a shirt on or whatever right Stuff like that Stuff where you could see my physique particularly , I used to think you were way more confident than you really were , for sure . I think everybody did . I think everybody did . But what I said to Amy was I didn't realize how wildly insecure I was . I didn't , I didn't .
I thought everybody was that way . I thought everybody , I thought everybody had the same experience . I did where everybody thought you were different than you felt , and maybe that is the case , I don't know . With a lot of people I would say that's true , that's what I assumed , I assumed . Well , of course , I need to showcase the skills I have .
I was always the we have the running joke . I was always the guy , the second . If somebody spilled a drink at the party , my shirt was off before the thing even flipped over completely . I get it , I get it . I get it . I get it Because that's what that was the value I felt I could add . I was in good shape and I knew that people .
I didn't want to make people jealous or envious , but I knew that was something that was respected . That's pretty much all that was my calling card . That was my party trick . I'll just take my shirt off . It's going to be fine . Oh , we're going to a country concert . It's 48 degrees out Dump , dump the shirt off . Not a big deal .
Not that big of a deal , but the truth is . So what if you just showcase the things that you're most comfortable with , so you don't have to showcase any of the things you're uncomfortable with ?
And then , ironically , you don't get more comfortable with those other things .
Because you never face them Exactly , you never , ever face them .
That's why fear chasing and exposure therapy are so important . That's why I always make the joke playfully , but it's got truth underneath it , which is why I think it's funny . I've been saying it on other shows and it's validating .
You've been getting laughs .
I have evidence I have . I have . I always say if you want a coach , you probably need a therapist . If you want a therapist , you probably need a coach . And underneath that all it is is , if you want a therapist , you're probably already fairly emotionally intelligent and you've faced a lot of traumas and you're more mental health conscious , most likely .
But you might struggle with success and the economy and business and finance and all that stuff . And I wanted a coach and I needed a therapist . That's very clear in hindsight Because of course you want a coach when you already feel competent in your abilities to perform and to be capable in the economy and professional .
And I always think of it as professional development and personal development . And personal development is internal and professional development is external resume , cover letter , articulation , vocabulary , communication , all that stuff .
So anyways , I found my resume today from 2014 . Did you really ?
I'm going to send it to you . I would pay money to see that I'll send it to you . Yeah , yeah , yeah , I'll send it to you .
I would read it . There's no point in me . I don't think it would do justice . I had a moment this morning where I was like going you ever go through old emails ? Yeah , is that something ? I had a moment today where I was like just crashing and burning . Let me read you something real quick . Please , let me read everybody something .
My screen shot it because I was like whoa , whoa , whoa , whoa . So this was a message I sent to my therapist .
I had which just to drive that point home , you had a therapist .
When you and I first met .
you already were convinced therapy was the way and it's great yeah .
Yeah .
I wasn't , but I had coaches and mentors yeah , you were convinced of the value of coaches and mentors . I wasn't convinced of the value of therapists . Now we both do both , which is great , and I do believe so strongly in that . If you are convinced of the value of coaches and mentors , you need a therapist .
If you're convinced of the value of mental health and therapists , you should get some coaches and mentors , because they're . Usually . It was way more uncomfortable for me to see a therapist than it was to coach with somebody .
Yeah .
Or to have , and for you it was kind of the opposite . I mean , you used to freak out before our coaching sessions with David Meltzer , evan Carmichael or whatever .
I love therapy .
Yeah , I loved it , it's so interesting , I'm like excited to go back .
I'm genuinely excited . I'm not . I told Tara and I was like I know , I know . I said I was going to get this rolling and I haven't . I said I'm not nervous or I promise I'm not avoiding it , I just I've just been busy and it's unfortunately hasn't been the priority it needs to be .
That's so fascinating because I feel the same way with mentors and coaches and success . You love the episodes where we talk vulnerable stuff .
I love the episodes where we talk about peak performance .
I feel very capable there . That's exactly what it is .
I feel like I have a lot of control . I feel like I have a lot of control and vulnerability .
That's exactly
¶ Navigating Relationships With Emotional Intelligence
the point . We all need to be ambidextrous , and what you wanted was what you needed . You'd already have it . I think that's , yeah , continue . What are you going to read us ?
Shakespeare , yeah yeah , it's Shall . I compare thee to a summer's eve . Thou art more lovely and more temperate . Nice work , Is that something ?
Nice work .
This is a message I sent to . This is the second therapist I had . I had a therapist in Boston and then I moved from Boston to New Hampshire with my partner . I guess I was going to therapy when I was with my partner . Yeah , I was At the end of my bodybuilding . Things were bad , october 11th 2015 . Hey , jennifer , I left a message yesterday .
As of right now , I'm working first shift Tuesday , so I can't do 1 PM . Do you have any later appointments , like 6 PM Blank , and I broke up on Monday . So this week has been very challenging and I want to make it a point to see you this week . Thanks .
At this point in my life I had it looked like I had everything and everything , and this is one of the times I was 100% struggling the most . 100% Go ahead .
I was just going to say just to , for context , the person that left me , the person that broke up with me , literally said I waited until after your bodybuilding show trigger warning because I was afraid if I left you during it you would have killed yourself .
Like she literally said that to me the day or the day , and it wasn't in a mean way , it wasn't like a you're terrible and it wasn't that , it was just more . That's how long I've been unhappy and I remember thinking like , ooh , what a tough spot , what a tough place to be for you to be in that position .
But it's just wild to look back and that was only nine years ago . Nine years , I mean it's a long time , but it's also not it doesn't feel like nine years the fact that I saw that it was 2014, . It was like , or maybe 10 years . Whatever I said , 2014 , 2015 .
Yeah , that's wild . You ever hear about something in the early 2000s and you're thinking , oh , that wasn't that long ago , and then you're like wait a minute .
We are closer to 2050 than we are 1990 .
Hello , hello , hello . Nlu listener . Thank you , as always , for listening to Next Level University . Real quick . I just want to jump in and let you know about the next level dreamliner . This is a journal that I use every single day . Leave your dreams 90 days at a time . It breaks down your dreams into goals , milestones and daily habits .
We hope you enjoy it . The link will be in the show notes . I this is a little side tangent , but Emilia and I are we do relationship talks , events similar to monthly meetups every month . Luckily they're not on the same weeks because I would burn to the ground , but the next one is on the four , so your wife Terrin would know about this .
John Gottman had the four horsemen of relationships contempt , resentment , stolen walling . There's another one , but we're doing it . We're calling it the four relationship killers and we watched a movie called the breakup . You remember the breakup ? Jennifer Aniston and Vince Vaughn yeah , that's the one . We came out in 2006 .
You and I were juniors in high school and I hadn't seen that movie in 18 years . It's a good movie . It was hilarious . But I'm so much more aware now , Whoa . I mean , they burnt that relationship right to the ground At the time , when you first saw it , did you side with Vince Vaughn ?
Yes , not anymore . I probably did two back then .
Dude , 18 years later , I'm watching this movie with Emilia . We are doing research for the event . The four horse contempt stolen , walling . There's other ones .
What were you eating ?
I don't know chicken rice , Maybe , I don't know , Domino's , I don't know . I don't know . Dude , I thought we were gonna have to watch the movie and I knew intuitively , like this is the movie that's gonna be . The four relationship killers will show up . I promise you they will show up . And I was telling him email you that , Dude , first 15 minutes .
All of them done . They crushed , they destroyed the relationship right out of the gate and they had no idea that they did Again .
It's a movie , but when I first saw it back when I was 17 years old , I had no idea what was happening beneath the surface of this iceberg , so to speak , and they basically were in love and made every mistake you can possibly make in a relationship .
And yeah , when you were talking about 2014 , I was thinking about 18 years ago I didn't know what I was doing in an intimate relationship compared to what I do now . And going back to your locus of control , I never felt in control of success in my relationships . I always felt in control of success in my academics and in my career . I still do .
I still feel very in control of that . Like , obviously things happen and economy , all that . It's out of my control , but whether or not you and I succeed at this . I used to sound so arrogant , Like we're gonna have a really successful podcast , and people be like how do you know that ? Well , someone asked you . I just I know that we won't quit .
I know we'll get better . I know we'll add value . I used to say this to Kevin maybe this will end , but I used to say this all the time you can't add that much value to that many people for that long without eventually winning . That's not like a thing . The company that adds the most value ultimately wins .
And it's harder than I thought , for sure , but I'm just very confident in that . But I never felt confident in relationships . I didn't feel like I had control of it . You know , I didn't know what I was doing .
We've had that conversation before , where you'll be like how do you know if that friendship is going to last and I always say it'll last , that I want it to Exactly .
That sounds arrogant to me . Yeah , it is to . I didn't call it arrogant because it actually just sounds confident . To be honest , it feels arrogant to say it feels .
arrogant to say that .
You literally would say yeah , if I want it , to it will . I never felt that way .
I think it's just certainty , it's just . But here's the other thing too Not in intimate relationships . I know often you say , like you were good at intimate , I was not that good . I think I was ahead of the curve .
Yeah .
In terms of .
You also . Let's statistically compare you to other American males .
That's right .
I would say you were ahead of the bell curve on that .
I think I was ahead of the curve where I was always . I won't say I was always . I always tried to be as respectful and as supportive and as emotionally intelligent as I could . I never wanted to be toxic .
Well , let's say this too you and I both were raised by women , so I think both of us were ahead of the curve more than we realized .
I would agree with that .
I've coached a lot of men at this stage , more women than men , but a lot of men and the shadow of their fathers is very apparent to me . At this stage it's very clear that they have something that I don't on the plus side , but there's a sneaky downside to that . That's been fascinating . That's a whole other conversation , for another time .
But not having a father has definitely been a unconscious win long term that I had never expected . When it comes to vulnerability , emotional intelligence , I went on one podcast . This dude couldn't cry if I . I mean , there's just no way he could ever cry . He was so unable to be vulnerable to a drastic extent .
And I cried yesterday . I cried yesterday . I cried twice yesterday . Did you burn your nachos ? No , I didn't burn my nachos .
Remember that podcast ? I told you that is cry worthy , though let's be honest , that is definitely cry worthy .
There was a podcast . I went on months and months and months ago with this gentleman and in the middle of the interview he's like hey , I have to tell you something . And I was like , oh , he's like yeah , I broke one of my rules when you were coming on . I did it and I got nervous . I was like , oh my God , this guy hates me . What's going on ?
He said I did , I did a bunch of research . He said , honestly , I thought you were going to be this like super alpha bodybuilding guy and he's like you were one of the most . I don't remember what it was like warm and gentle , and it was like I was crying my eyes out . I listened to the replay yesterday because he shared it with me Nice , same thing .
And I also had a moment and this was this was tough for me and I know we have to go . You have a call , but this was really tough for me .
¶ Fatherhood and Destiny
I saw a dad playing with his kids and it hurt me and I haven't felt that in a long time . It hurt me . It was like number one . I was like I really hope he's a good dad . That was my initial thought . It's like oh , that's cool , like good for them . I really hope he's a good dad . But then there was that little piece of me that was like Ah F .
I never got that .
Yeah , for sure Same , and I know , I'm sure you , I'm sure you get that the fishing thing , fishing with your dad like to me that's , that's the pinnacle of what would be awesome . Yeah , Something about fishing with your dad that I never got , that .
And I also know my stepdad didn't .
Really , I have this image of me in my head . We talked about this in therapy . We might therapist tonight , seven years old or something around then , and I'm sitting at the slider door and he's fishing by himself . And I had that . Why don't I remember being a kid ? Why don't you want me to ?
I love fishing , I want to fish , I love to fish and I still do . I always have more than I even thought to . I miss it . You and I used to fish all the time . No , all we do is business , but I didn't realize how much that affected me either . But on the other side of that , I know that I'm different than a lot of guys who do have dads .
I just don't know if I fully get why , but there's definitely a , and a lot of the women in my life have said that , and most of the NLU team is incredible women and they've said that it's a different energy about you and I being on this team . It's like a different energy . I don't know what that means yet .
So that's another same again , another conversation . But I know that you and I I knew this intuitively . There's no way . Two things you and I would never be business partners if one you had any entitlement whatsoever and if you didn't grow up in adverse , challenging circumstances .
So if you grew up with a silver spoon , I knew no way this would never work , especially the first few years when we made no money . The second thing is I knew that one of the reasons this works is that we both didn't have dads For sure , and I still think that's something that I'll contemplate , probably forever .
But and I didn't get along with my stepdad you had hate for your dad for leaving and all that stuff , and there's definitely something , and we both I was raised by my older sister , my mom , kevin was raised by his mom and his mima and which is his grandma .
There's something to that that shapes you differently than someone who does have maybe that male patriarchal figure .
And yeah , I guess talk about a freestyle Friday Didn't anticipate talking about that , but Last thing before we go , one of the most wisdom filled quotes I've ever heard in my life . Tyrone and I are watching a show called Jack Ryan . Great show , great show . They're in the jungle , they're somewhere . They were in Syria somewhere .
They were in somewhere in the Middle East and one of the characters , who is a he's a very intelligent former Marine , like genius , was kind of judging the occupation of another gentleman who was kind of like into prostitution . And he was judging that . And the guy said well , who knows , in another world I might have ended up like you .
You have to understand that geography is destiny . And I said that to Tyrone . I said isn't it weird how , if I was born in California , I wouldn't know you or I wouldn't know Alan , I wouldn't be doing probably any of the things I'm doing . And she's like well , you could have met Alan .
I said , yeah , I could have , but I couldn't have gone to middle school with him like I did . And I couldn't have gone to high school with him like I did . I couldn't have played spin the bottle in middle school with him and the popular girls there were girls there too , popular girls .
I couldn't have done that and I said , babe , the only reason I know you is because when I lived in New Hampshire the first time and I was on whatever app I was on you were close enough for me to see you .
Yeah . That's the deep conversations that we talked about in a couple of episodes ago , where those contemplative deep conversations of existential questions .
Yeah , too much episode .
That's the stuff I love , I love that I'm also a fan of that . You gotta think about that again . I don't wanna project that on anyone , but I think about that stuff all the time . I spent 30 years looking for Emilia and she happened to be 30 minutes north . I know it doesn't make any sense but it also makes perfect sense .
So that's the value , but it depends on what you believe . Yeah , either it makes all the sense in the world or it makes no sense .
and it's a wild coincidence , Boris Gump are we just the feather in the wind or is it destined ? Is it all random chance or are we destined ? He said I think it's both . I think maybe it's both . I get the chills when I talk about that because I feel like is it your intuition or is it destiny or is it random chance ? What if it's all true simultaneously ?
And that's definitely a whole nother conversation . What a strange episode . I liked it . What did you think of it ? Strong to semi-strong , I enjoyed this very much Same .
Yeah , it's good , it's good to get out of the again . It's still self-improvement , still trying to add value and wisdom . But it's different . We don't have to stick on more .
Did you improve thyself in thou ways To met ?
no scale .
Yeah , I know thyself . I know thyself .
All right , we gotta go . You're already two minutes late for your meeting oh no Next level nation . If you have not gotten your tickets yet for next level live 2024 , please do so . It's March 23rd . It's in-person as well as virtual . The in-person venue is beautiful .
I'm actually going I don't know when over the next couple of weeks I'll get some content , so I'll share that next level nation . But if you're a local to Massachusetts , we'd love to see you .
It's an awesome opportunity to meet other people and if you wanna talk about getting a little kick in the butt , getting outside of your comfort zone , an event like this is a great way to do it . Also , the virtual side of things you'll have an opportunity to meet other people . There'll be breakout sessions , so Link will be in the show notes .
We would absolutely love to have you Tomorrow for episode number 1000 , 629 . Did we already do this ? Could you be overwhelmed because you're not doing enough ?
I had a moment today , alan , where I was like the last thing in the world I wanted to do was go to the gym , cause I'm just like exhausted and I'm tired , and when I got back from the gym I was like that actually probably created less overwhelm than anything else I could possibly do . So sometimes less isn't better . So I wanna do an episode on that .
¶ Next Level Family Appreciation
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