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Summary

The episode begins with escalating tensions in the Gulf as Iran targets Bahrain and Kuwait, prompting discussions with a former Kuwaiti minister on the impact of US presence and stalled negotiations. It also delves into the complex US-Israel relationship regarding the Lebanon conflict. Shifting focus, the programme explores France's "culture wars" surrounding popular banquets accused of promoting nationalism, and a new book highlighting stories of love and humanity amidst global crises. Finally, it examines Africa's growing slow food movement and a significant youth protest in India, sparked by exam leaks and high unemployment, challenging the government.

Episode description

Iran targets Bahrain and Kuwait after renewed US strikes. We speak to a former Kuwaiti minister as the American-Iranian stalemate continues. Also in the programme, India's Cockroach Janta Party takes to the streets to demand the resignation of the education minister; and the African-American musician Brian Jackson on his work and collaboration with Gil Scott-Heron.

(Photo: CCTV image of Iranian drone above Kuwait airport on 3rd of June. Credit: Reuters)

Transcript

Intro / Opening

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Iran Attacks Bahrain and Kuwait

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Hello and welcome to News Hour Live from the BBC World Service in London. I'm Rebecca Kesby. And we begin the programme in the Gulf, where both Bahrain and Kuwait have come under attack again from drones and ballistic missiles fired from Iran. In the past few hours sirens have been activated across Bahrain The government urging public the public to remain calm, but also to take shelter from what the Foreign Ministry described as Iran's blatant aggression.

We understand interceptors and the US military have shot down most of the ballistic missiles fired from Iran. Meanwhile Iranian State T V is saying that Iran's revolutionary guards have fired upon ships trying to get through the Straits of Hormuz.

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ספاه פاسداران انقلاب اسلامی اعلام کرد.

B

That's the message from Tehran today. Well shortly before these latest strikes began, President Trump indicated that he remains upbeat about the chances of coming to a deal with the Iranians. This is him speaking in Wisconsin on Friday evening.

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We're at a point we're going to come out of Iran very quickly and it's going to be very strong, one way or the other, whether it's a piece of paper or the uh very tough way, okay? The very tough way is maybe the easier way.

Kuwait's Perspective on Iranian Aggression

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That's President Trump speaking on Friday, but since he made those comments, the attacks on Kuwait and Bahrain have continued. Kuwaiti officials have described the attacks today as a flagrant violation of sovereignty and a

Dangerous escalation. Earlier this week, of course, Iran attacked the international airport in Kuwait, killing one person and injuring a further sixty people. Well, a couple of hours ago. I got through to Saad Pentifla Alajmi, he's the former information minister of Kuwait and I asked him about the latest situation. And just a heads up he does refer to the G C C which of course is the Gulf Cooperation Council. It's the political and economic union of six Arab nations in the Persian Gulf.

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But it's not a surprise if this uh aggression continues by the Iranians for a number of reasons. We think that uh they are actually frustrated with the negotiations stalled and not moving forward. And secondly, they are under a lot of pressure because of the financial situation as they are deprived of daily income of roughly half a billion dollars.

There's also a Kuwaiti specific reason, you know, they are trying to extort Kuwait to release four high ranking officers from the Revolutionary Guard. who were apprehended by the Kuwaiti Coast Guards three weeks ago for entering into the Kuwaiti territorial waters with plans to commit um terrorist acts. Kuwait refuses and is putting them on trial uh and not releasing them.

B

You mentioned those foiled attacks recently. Kuwaiti officials have got a number of people under arrest for. I mean, there is a suspicion that a number of Kuwaiti citizens may have also been part of those plots, possibly on behalf of Hezbollah or Iran itself. What can you tell us about that and how much of a concern it would be if Kuwaitis are involved?

E

Well there were cells discovered in uh five of the six G C countries in Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, uh UAE and Saudi Arabia and those cells were actually made and created and recruited by Hezbollah and by the Revolutionary Guards inside the GCC countries. so as to commit terrorist acts or to activate those sleeping cells when need be. Uh those were apprehended, they were caught and they are put on trial. And Iran is asking for their unconditional release and that is not going to happen at all.

B

I mean Iran does see Kuwait as a legitimate target, mainly because it hosts so many US bases and personnel on its soil. I think it's got the most numbers of US ground forces in the whole Gulf, around thirteen thousand or so. And I suppose the suspicion from Iran is that if there was to be any US invasion of Iran, it would largely come from Kuwait.

Kuwait's Diplomatic Challenges and US Role

So is your country compromised then because of the initial strikes on Iran by Washington?

E

Kuwait along with all G C C countries have refused this war and refused to be part of this war. and have also refused to allow the United States of America to use the bases to attack Iran. Now the Iranians are targeting Kuwait for different reasons. They haven't only attacked Kuwait, they've attacked Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, eight countries actually were attacked by the Iranians and they were unprovoked attacks.

B

It still leaves Kuwait in a really difficult position, doesn't it? And does your country see the USA as a protector still as it has been since ninety one or actually is it a a threat, a liability to the security of Kuwait?

E

The Kuwaiti Air Forces have shown marvelous proficiency in intercepting ninety five plus, you know, percent of the drones and the ballistic missiles the Iranians have been barraging against our country.

B

Has that care of Kuwait's diplomacy been totally compromised by the current US administration? It's made it more complicated, hasn't it?

E

Well actually uh and I'm quoting actually an American friend of mine who said that you are nice guys in a bad neighborhood and that that is actually the truth because of the i Iran Iraq aggression against Kuwait back in nineteen ninety. And nowadays as we speak

the Iranian aggression against Kuwait. Now is the United States a reliable ally at this time? We don't know actually because we haven't tested them. We haven't asked for the help to come and help us because we think that we can defend ourselves so far.

Now, I don't think that I will be revealing a secret by saying that things look very mercurial, you know, when it comes to the American diplomacy or the American strategy in the region. They haven't listened to us. From the very beginning we said to them Don't start this war. They went against our advice and I think now they are in this quagmire and trying to get out of it.

B

That's interesting. I mean i it was clear that Kuwait was giving this message before the war started, but since the war has been uh underway and particularly maybe in the past few weeks since we've had this sort of little bit of a lull in the fighting I I guess. Is Kuwait is the government being heard more clearly in the Oval Office? Would that be your understanding at the moment?

E

Well there is a sort of an impression that uh Tel Aviv is more listened to in the Oval Office than the the Arab allies of the United States.

B

You say that, you know, you live in a bad neighbourhood and I suppose as you say, you know, when this does die down, will the Kuwaiti government still be keen to allow US bases on its territory in the future or will it be more cautious about allowing the Americans to have such influence over your country or in your in your country? What is the alternative in terms of protecting Kuwait? If you do turn against the United States

E

Well that's a very good question, but I don't think that anyone has an answer to but it depends on the outcome of this confrontation and this conflict.

B

You said that Iran was frustrated with the peace talks at the moment. How is Kuwait feeling about that? Are you optimistic that these uh talks can reach some kind of conclusion?

E

It's very interesting because the Iranians consider themselves the masters of procrastination and d delay and frustrating the other partner or the other party with whom they negotiate. But this time seems that Mr. Trump has actually over procrastinated them and is winning the waiting game of this uh of this negotiation. What we know is that there is a negotiation to arrive at.

an agreement for further negotiations to arrive at a final agreement. In other words, nothing is really happening at this time.

B

What do you make of the Trumpian style of negotiating during this crisis?

E

statements are deliberate and that it is to cause confusion against their

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Side.

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by giving conflicting signs and conflicting statements and a statement after another, a statement withdrawing another statement or refuting it or, you know, j just just canceling it and saying something else. Some analysts, some observers think that this is a uh calculated strategy to confuse the Iranian.

Current Fighting and Ceasefire Dynamics

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That Saad Bentifla Alajmi, their former Information Minister of Kuwait. Let's cross live to our Middle East analyst, Sebastian Usher, who joins us from Israel. Um Seb, just a a point of clarification first. Uh the minister there said they weren't getting help from the USA. Technically US forces have been intercepting these Iranian missiles, haven't they? Uh can you give us a fuller picture on the current fighting?

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Yeah, I mean that's our understanding, although Kuwait has said uh that that it that it has been involved in the in the firing down Or some of the missiles and drones but have been uh fired at them. I mean what we've had In the past twenty four hours there's been really two separate kind of incidents, the latest flare up. I think the fourth big one, since the ceasefire between the US and Iran was brought in, we saw uh first of all the US Central Command says that four drones were fired.

in the Strait of Homo's, uh at shipping there. Of course that's where Iran is intent on preventing all shipping that they don't approve of of going through. That's the absolute ace card. that uh Iran has been playing uh in response

to that Iran fired missiles saying that they were at enemy bases meaning I uh US bases. The US says but they weren't hit. But there were alerts in Kuwait and in Bahrain um s several hours a after that, the US Central Command again said that six of those projectiles were were intercepted and one came down uh but caused no damage.

So, you know, another serious incident but one that I don't think at the moment puts the ceasefire such as it is that both the Iranian leadership and President Trump want to keep in place because Once it goes, then whatever process and we were obviously hearing a bit about it there, however shaky it may be, there is a still a process towards some sort of

initial agreement that they're having indirect negotiations about obviously if all our conflict broke up that would be put back to the very beginning.

US-Israel Tensions Over Lebanon Offensive

B

And Seb you are in Israel right now, as I mentioned that we can hear some of the traffic in the background.

G

Yeah, I mean Hebron.

B

Okay, so I mean the the US Israeli government relationship has also been under the spotlight this week after that reportedly expletive laden phone call between Trump and Netanyahu over the Iran issue. Are is there tension between these two now?

G

Yes. I mean there definitely is tension, essentially because there are divergent interests between President Trump, his administration and the Israeli government and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Um and and there have been testy conversations before and in fact I mean uh last year during the twelve day war if if people remember

uh President Trump actually used a swear word about Israel and Iran at the same time when when uh he felt that things were were getting out of hand. This time President Trump's phone call to Mr Netanyahu came just after uh the Israeli Prime Minister had given uh permission for the Israeli army to relaunch attacks on the southern suburbs of Beirut, which would have been a major escalation in what already is a major conflict in Lebanon, the the the deepest incursion by Israel into Lebanon

Felly dyna'r dyna'r dyna'r dyna'r dyna'r dyna'r dyna'r dyna'r dyna'r dyna'r dyna'r dyna'r He feels that uh the Israeli offensive uh in Lebanon is potentially going to prevent a deal being done. That's very much what Iran has been saying in the past week. As that uh incursion as that operation by Israel against Hezbollah has stepped up, the more Iran has been saying that this is absolutely tied to any deal with the US.

Until that finishes, we can't sign up to an agreement, so that's why. But as far as the Israeli Prime Minister is concerned, this is unfinished business. Israel has a right to continue.

France's Culture Wars: Banquets Controversy

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Sebastian Usher there live. You with News Hour live from the BBC, I'm Rebecca Kesby, next to France, one of many countries in the grip of so called culture wars at the moment, and the battleground this time food. Over the past couple of years there's been a sudden craze for staging mass popular banquets where participants feast on local food and wine and sing along to well known songs.

Sounds like fun, but some on the left argue it promotes the nationalistic ideas of the radical right. Hugh Schofield reports from one such event near the German border.

F

So we've just arrived outside the Parc des Expositions here in Colmar where the Alsacian, the Alsatian banquet is about to take place, and I am staggered by the number of people over here. The line goes right way round this huge building. We've been told there are more than 3,000 people waiting to take part in this event. It really is enormous. I'm surprised. Let's go inside.

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living the good life. We're going to eat together, drink a bit, have fun, think together and that's gonna be it, you know, and then we we head back home.

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Oh a lot of music, a lot of dance and a lot of smile.

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les copains, l'alcool et la nourriture.

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Atmosphere, f friends, alcohol, food. And the vibes. And the vibes. In the space of a few years, these banquets run by a company called Le Canon Français have become a spectacular success. The idea, as I heard from founder Pierre Alexandre de Bois, is to tap into the French tradition for the good things food, wine, company, chat.

L

What we love the most with my associates is when we see uh you know the lawyer sitting next to the baker who is s sitting next to the the butcher. I mean sometimes we are alone at home surfing on internet losing a lot of time but we don't speak each other anymore. So if we have a huge banquet, uh it's good it's good because people can be together again.

F

All this fun, but there's a snag. The radical left wing party LFI now has Le Canon Français in its firing line. It says that these banquets are all white affairs designed to exclude people of different origins, that there's racist chanting, that it all helps promote the hard right national rally.

And when a stake in the company was bought by an ultra conservative financier called Pierre Eduard Sterra, who promotes hard right ideas on banning abortion and reversing immigration, that for the hard left there was proof that their accusations were true. Emma Furu is an LFI MEP.

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S'ils étaient de bonne foi, ils auraient dit nous nous...

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If they were in good faith, they would never have accepted Terrain as an investor.

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C'est dommage de toujours politiser les choses et de faire des politiques.

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For founder Pierre-Alexandre Deboisse, it's all just pre-election point scoring.

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I bring employment, I create job, I create uh happiness to the people that are coming to my event. So if you are a politician you need to help me. You cannot attack a private company because you don't like the shareholders, because you don't like the people that are coming inside the party, because you don't like my name, it's not your problem. If you don't like me, do your politics outside my event and leave me alone. Please.

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More than likely the Kulmar banqueteers, provincials, rural types, farmers, do mainly vote on the right or indeed hard right. But these days, that hardly counts as news.

B

Hugh Schofield with that report from France.

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Finding Love and Humanity in Crisis

B

Now following international news at the moment can feel a bit relentless to be honest, even depressing on some days, given the number of wars going on, the poverty and suffering in many areas, corruption, human rights violations. But a new book featuring stories from around the world, including from war torn countries, highlights uplifting stories of human affection, care and humanity, even in the bleakest of moments.

This is also a love story Searching for Good in a Divided World is written by Irish journalist Sally Hayden, and I asked her why she wanted to write it.

K

This is basically a book of love stories reported from nine different countries dealing with nine different crises. And I'm w work as a journalist as as you do obviously and as someone who's spent more than a decade reporting on horrific situations, human rights abuses and exploitation and cruelty.

I still realised that I I think I see love more often than I see greed or violence or the bad sides of human behaviour and and I didn't know if people always recognize that. So I wanted to show readers how even in some of the worst situations, love does exist and it can act as a guiding force. Uh the stories I should say, they're not just romantic love, but also love for family, love for community.

Even just what I kind of define as love towards humanity, just people doing good things for each other.

B

Well that's right. Love does take so many different forms, doesn't it? And your book does highlight that. Um you're currently in Lebanon, in fact, which has been the focus of so much of our news over the past week and months. Um you do have a story from Lebanon in the book and this is about a son's love for his father. Can you give us the brief details?

K

This is by Bassam. The the chapter is actually about the economic crisis, um, more than the current war, but I mean it all kind of

has kind of layered on top of each other. But Bassam is a Lebanese man who effectively raided a bank to try and get back his own money. So when the economic crisis kind of broke out or escalated in twenty nineteen, banks seized the deposits of people, you know, money that they had saved for years or even lifetimes and his father needed medical care and so he decided to take it on himself to raid this bank to try and get back his own savings and

maybe unexpectedly he was kind of greeted as a national hero. And what I realized so afterwards there were various other raids and there had also been one before and a lot of the people who were doing these bank raids were actually acting because they had relatives who needed medical care. And so yeah, I spent time with Bassam talking about his father and their relationship and what he had gone through and and why he decided to do what he did.

B

Yeah. I mean I I'm always amazed at how brave some people are, um, in the most frightening, awful circumstances. And I guess one of the things that does make people brave is love. I mean you say the book isn't really about romantic love, but there is a lovely story of a Ukrainian couple um that's included. They've been divided by the war and uh their whole sort of relationship is about romantic. trying to stay connected and strong for each other while they're separated.

K

So there is romantic love in the book. It's just not the only type. This is the story of Irina and Sergei who are a couple. You know, I went to Ukraine, I wanted to meet the partners of people who've ended up on the front lines.

Many never expected that their relationships would suddenly go through this and that they'd be separated by this war and a lot of the men in particular like volunteered in the early days even or or the early months and just didn't expect the war to continue for so long and others were conscripted and I I spent time with particularly wives of um men who were fighting and

they told me what they had been going through and the lessons that they had learned and Irina was one of them. She was really keen to share actually you know, how she had managed or how she was managing to cope with this separation and some of the issues around trauma and Just maintaining the relationship and trying to stay, you know, positive as much as possible. Um and yeah, their s their story was quite beautiful, I thought.

B

So uh how do you want people to to feel reading your book and what what does it tell us about humanity?

K

I didn't want to sugarcoat things or or diminish the problems in the world, but I think it is important to remember that love exists and that kindness exists. empathy exists and that these are all very important

B

That's writer Sally Hayden there on her book This is also a love story speaking to me earlier.

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Africa's Slow Food Movement in Malawi

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Welcome back to NewsHour. Now wherever we live in the world, most of us rely on fast food sometimes, whether we buy it or make it. Many of us are always in a rush when it comes to food. Now across Africa a new idea is taking root. Slow food, locally grown ingredients cooked from scratch and leisurely enjoyed with no distractions.

Three and a half thousand slow food gardens have been set up across the continent. Three hundred and fifty of them are in Malawi. Marie Sago has been finding out more about them, starting with a visit to one school at lunchtime.

N

I'm here to meet Victoria Chatambalala, who teaches both biology and agriculture. She has made it her mission to teach her students about slow food.

Q

As you can see here we have examples of the local plants.

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Around fifteen students are seating in rows of desks. In front of them is a table loaded with local crop. A year ago, Hasko joined the Slow Food Gardens in Africa scheme. The Malawi branch provided them with seeds, equipment and advice on how to create their own sustainable garden. Victoria takes me outside to show me the results. I'm standing right in the middle of of this beautiful garden with about 20 beds with assorted vegetables. Sixty students volunteered to look after the garden.

The students say they are growing traditional crops because these have evolved to survive in the region and so need less water than other vegetables.

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The gross circureth, cassava, pumpkin.

R

Yeah.

C

Yeah.

Q

In most communities here in Malawi, most people like growing exotic plants. they contain a lot of chemicals you talk of pesticides having the bodies of many people so here they have taken the skill of growing local plants which is something that is lawful is encouraging

N

Their produce is used in school lunches and lots of the children say they have been inspired to start a garden at home. It seems the project has been very successful in inspiring the next generation. Do we have anyone among us that would like to be a farmer?

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Yes.

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Twenty farmers. Slow Food has also started up something called an earth market right on my doorstep in Blantar in southern Malawi. It's actually a store in the middle of the main market. On the morning I visit, it is being run by Steve Banda, who shows me around.

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Everything you see here is the local variety. We have customers here from lodges and big restaurants that give us orders to supply local vegetables. Before this we could only farm for consumption with no profit at all. Now we're able to realise profits.

N

The store is shared by five rotating communities and sells produce from around 100 farmers over the years.

B

Marie Sagula there with that report from Malawi, but as I say, it's an idea that's taking off across Africa.

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India's Cockroach Janta Party Origin

B

You're listening to NewsHour live from the BBC, I'm Rebecca Kesby. Now let's go to India's capital, Delhi, where protesters have been out on the streets today. Now this was a real life protest by supporters of a political party that's began online as a bit of a joke really. The Cockroach Janta Party or C J P isn't actually an official party but it does have.

Twenty two million people signed up to its Instagram account. That's actually more social media followers than the Prime Minister, Narendra Modi's BJP. Protesters in Delhi are demanding the resignation of the Education Minister after a run of controversies and the leaking of a national exam seen as jeopardizing the careers of millions of students. The movement was sparked by reports that Supreme Court Justice Sura can't be.

referred to young government critics as cockroaches and parasites during a court hearing last month, prompting a wave of online criticism. Um here's the moment.

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There are youngsters like cockroaches. They don't get any employment. They don't have any place in profession. Some of them become media. Some of them become social media. Some of them become RTI activists. Some of them become another activist. And they start attacking everyone.

B

Well young people didn't take uh too well to those comments. Let's speak to our South Asia correspondent Azude Mashiri, who uh joins us live. Tell us more about this movement.

J

Yes, it's worth uh adding that the the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, who whom you just heard right there, he did go on to say later on, when this did become particularly controversial that uh he wasn't actually referring to India's youth and that he was actually referring to people with fake degrees. Um but you can imagine in a country where unemployment is double digits

where having a degree doesn't actually help you. Uh, in some age categories, in fact, having a degree hurts you. The unemployment rates are higher than that, higher. Um that caused a lot of outrage. And so Abidjid Dipke, when I spoke to him three weeks ago when all of this started, he's

B

Yeah.

J

He'd initially told me that he um that he didn't think he didn't think this would become what it has become. That he initially thought it was a bit of a joke.

Corruption in India's Education System

But that he thinks he's tapped cl tapped into some of the widespread anger. But it was just an online movement. And today is the day it proved that uh it can actually cross into the realm of of the real the real

B

Well indeed. And a as you say that he's the sort of leader figurehead of this movement. But I uh spoke just before we came on air to one of those who participated today. Uh she's a D T she's a president of one of the students' unions in Delhi. This is what she told me.

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The citizenry of all kind is uh unfortunately not happy and not satisfied under this regime and the regime has been doing all its politics on the basis of hate. All the hatred was directed towards Muslims. But now the time has come that the government is selling all the possible things. Everything has become about money making. Even education.

B

Uh you describe the government as a regime, but it is uh elected um a and does uh you know, maybe its majority has lessened slightly, but it does have a lot of uh support across the country.

C

The government is very much authoritarian and the media also is very hostile.

B

So is this an anti BJP movement or an anti all political parties movement?

C

No, this is uh according to m my understanding, this is an anti BJP movement. Because um uh to answer the first question very precisely, if you would look at the slogans and poster of this uh particular mobilization, you would see that people have been demanding resignation of the uh Minister of Education, Dharmindra Pradhan.

He has been responsible for all the paper leaks and for your audience who would not ha but perhaps not understand what a paper leak is and how how can paper leak Uh I would like to inform that that in in India there is a certain arrangement. uh where before the exams really happen, some people within the system they buy the paper and they sell it to the highest bidder.

B

Right. Just for clarification, you're talking about exam papers. So so the a allegation is that some people have been uh leaking exam papers which give some students an unfair advantage if they pay to get to see those exam papers ahead of time.

C

Yeah, that has been. So in India, uh when le when well I was growing up, the union government exams were very much reliable. People had had a faith. And for most of the people, for most of the youth also, curing these competitive exams is a way of upward mobility for them and their family. But we see that ten years ago, the government brought in national testing agency.

an autonomous body, basically a private entity, which will conduct all the examination. And since then we see that every year Like around 90 papers have leaked since then.

Youth Unemployment and Political Impact

B

So I mean we've been talking about education here, but uh around fifty percent of India's population is under the age of twenty five and apparently unemployment among young people is also very high. Is that also one of your Aims to draw attention to that.

C

Yeah, definitely. So look, the government, the system is the one who is uh very structurally keeping the youth unemployed. There are no uh government jobs, there are no jobs and uh secure jobs. And no security in those jobs. Every job is being contractualized. Education is being privatized. The Prime Minister Narendra Modi has several times said that why do you need to demand public jobs from the government? Look, I have digitized.

so much now the y youngsters can make reels and gain some s income. So this is the mentality of government. They want to make us more and more vulnerable so that we do not peak up, we don't have security and we fall into their politics of hatred.

B

That's Aditi, their student union leader we spoke to just uh just before we came on air, um Azade Mashiri is still with us, our correspondent. I mean one of the things that's really interesting about this movement Azade is the speed with which it has sort of taken off. And we mentioned there it's mainly in Delhi at the moment, but I mean if this goes nationwide, how problematic for the governing BJP could it be?

J

Yeah, I mean there's a lot to unpack in what she just said and it's th it's worth remembering that she isn't officially part of the the CJP uh and that she represents a student union with its own views. And yes The CJP does have images of Narendra Modi all through its account. It has a lot of AI messages.

It's definitely said that it believes that uh the BJP in politics is not listening to the voice of young people, that it wants to give a vehicle to these people to uh to to correct what it says uh what it alleges is widespread corruption in the country. But uh the founder, Abij Dipke, as well as his associates, have been very particular and very um focused on what they're protesting today and what their wider movement represents. As you can understand, it's very difficult

Um it's it's more difficult in India to protest than it may be in some other places. You have to go through certain permissions. Um there have been uh a history of protests um that uh have either ended violently and one one point that Abajit and the others kept making today is that they are seeking to peacefully protest.

And that the focus today uh was the resignation of the education minister, which is why there were most of the time when I was walking around the protest and speaking to people, these were medical students. They really care about that issue. There was even a father I spoke to who was there because he said his daughter was sitting an exam. So he said, Don't worry, I'll go to this protest for you. Now, in terms of the numbers,

Uh they did manage to have hundreds of people there, possibly uh a thousand. It was hard to gauge because there were a lot of journalists there as well. But it wasn't the tens of millions who follow uh the Instagram account. Uh and so it's not it's not reflective of tens of millions of people, but who knows where this protest movement could could move forward in the future.

B

Certainly one to watch Azadeh, thank you so much for bringing us up to date with that in India. That's the BBC's Azadeh Mashiri. That's it for this edition of News Hour from me and the whole team here in London. Thank you very much for joining us. Do stay tuned for the latest world news up next.

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