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Never Contemplated

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The Florida Bar’s Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism presents Never Contemplated, a candid discussion with female judges from across the state about gender bias, professionalism, and civility in the judicial system, hosted by Judge Hetal Desai.

Disclaimer: The views expressed by the participants of this program are their own and do not represent the views of, nor are they endorsed by The Florida Bar, their respective officers, directors, employees, agents, or representatives. None of the content should be considered legal advice. As always, consult a lawyer.

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Episodes

The Practice of Law May be Different Than You Imagined

Listen to our episode with Magie Ozarowski, the new host of the On Civility podcast. Judge Desai and Ms. Ozarowski talk about what it’s like to be a government attorney, to regulate alcohol, to be a Fellow in The Florida Bar's Leadership Academy, and to explore the world. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.0 hour of General CLE credit, and 1.0 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course # 8694 .

Sep 05, 202436 min

Immerse Yourself and Just Get Involved - Victoria Heuler and Sarah Butters

Meet Victoria Heuler and Sarah Butters, leaders of the Florida Bar’s Elder Law and Real Property Probate and Trust Law (RPPTL) Sections. Learn about the differences and similarities between these practice areas, and the professional and practical benefits to joining a Bar Section. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.0 hour of General CLE credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #8306. Links: The Florida Bar RPPTL Sectio...

Jan 23, 202450 min

Surround Yourself with Amazing People - Rebecca Bandy

This episode is a true holiday gift. Enjoy this interactive recording with Judge Hetal Desai and Rebecca Bandy, Director of the Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism at The Florida Bar, where they discuss her story and legal professionalism live from the National Association of Administrative Law Judiciary Conference in Tampa, Florida. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of General CLE credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism C...

Nov 30, 202346 min

It’s a much more gratifying way of life when you are serving others - Justice Meredith Sasso

Meet Justice Meredith Sasso, the newest member of the Florida Supreme Court. Listen to her conversation with Judge Hetal Desai about growing up in the capital city, what being on a sports team taught her, Guardian Ad Litem ( https://guardianadlitem.org/ ), the creation and workings of the 6th DCA, and the importance of the Bar’s rules committees. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.0 hour of General CLE credit, and 1.0 hour of Professiona...

Oct 18, 202341 min

The Ability to Read the Room is as Important as the Ability to Read the Law - Alexis Fowler

Enjoy this interactive session with Judge Desai and Alexis Fowler, Government Relations Director at Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, where they discuss her survival story and the importance of giving back. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.5 hour of General CLE credit, and 1.0 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7916.

Aug 18, 202350 minSeason 3Ep. 1

Recognize Your Own Talents - Melanie S. Griffin

Enjoy this speed session with Judge Desai and Secretary of the Department of Business and Professional Regulation (DBPR), where they discuss mentorship, the FSU J.D./M.B.A. program, evaluating life-work balance in the long term, getting over imposter syndrome, the workings of DBPR, and the Secretary’s personal story of motherhood. http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr/ Twitter: @melaniesgriffin @floridadbpr This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department fo...

Apr 26, 202336 minSeason 3Ep. 5

Pro Bono work helps students develop as lawyers and not just people who know the law - Dean Theresa Radwan

Judge Desai asks the Interim Dean of Stetson Law School Theresa Radwan questions about the Law School’s history and its current program. Listen to Dean Radwan explain the importance of law students and lawyers reaching out to community, how Stetson Law makes sure students are “practice ready” lawyers, and Stetson Law’s own unofficial rock band. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of General CLE credit, and 0.5 hours of Professiona...

Mar 30, 202330 minSeason 3Ep. 4

Education Can Change Everything - Dean Deidré A. Keller

In the third installment of this season’s “Never Contemplated - The Making of a Good Lawyer,” Judge Hetal Desai interviews Deidré A. Keller, the Dean of Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University (FAMU), College of Law. Learn about the historic significance of FAMU Law and the Parramore neighborhood in Orlando. Dean Keller also talks about growing up in Guyana, going from the Bronx to Yale, law and literature, and the importance of providing access to a solid practical legal education to non...

Mar 23, 202358 minSeason 3Ep. 3

Be Curious, Be Bold, and Take the Leap - Dean Laura A. Rosenbury

In the second installment of this season’s “Never Contemplated - The Making of a Good Lawyer,” Judge Hetal Desai interviews Dean Laura A. Rosenbury of the University of Florida, Levin College of Law. Dean Rosenbury talks about her journey from rural America to Harvard to the flagship law school in Florida. Learn about how UF Law has climbed to and remained in the top 25 law schools in the nation (and # 1 in Florida) by not only upping its game academically, but also by increasing the diversity o...

Mar 09, 202351 minSeason 3Ep. 2

The Making of a Good Lawyer- Dean Erin O'Hara O'Connor

In the first installment of this season’s “Never Contemplated - The Making of a Good Lawyer,” Judge Hetal Desai interviews Dean Erin O’Hara O’Conner , who discusses her role as the Dean of FSU College of Law and how she got there. This episode explores the changes in law students and teaching methods over the years, and how to prevent burnout in the legal profession. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credi...

Mar 01, 202347 minSeason 3Ep. 1

Be Authentic to Who You Are and Let Service Guide You - Judge Navarro

In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes Judge Navarro , who discusses her unique background, learning about drug court and the ways to mentor others about wellness. REFERENCED RESOURCES: https://www.floridabar.org/member/healthandwellnesscenter/ https://www.fla-lap.org/ Judge Navarro on social media: Facebook Instagram This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #6822....

Nov 28, 202247 minSeason 2Ep. 9

Special Release - Part 2: Administrative Law Judges Lisa Nelson, Suzanne Van Wyk, and Lynne Quimby-Pennock

The Florida Bar’s Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism presents Never Contemplated, a candid discussion with female judges from across the state about gender bias, professionalism, and civility in the judicial system, hosted by Judge Hetal Desai. In this special episode, Judge Desai welcomes Administrative Law Judges Lisa Nelson, Suzanne Van Wyk, and Lynne Quimby-Pennock. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of Professionalism CLE...

Sep 21, 20221 hr 18 minSeason 2Ep. 8

Special Release - Part 1: Administrative Law Judges Cathy Sellers and Francine Ffolkes

The Florida Bar’s Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism presents Never Contemplated, a candid discussion with female judges from across the state about gender bias, professionalism, and civility in the judicial system, hosted by Judge Hetal Desai. In this special episode, Judge Desai welcomes Administrative Law Judges Cathy Sellers and Francine Ffolkes. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #654...

Sep 21, 202257 minSeason 2Ep. 7

Be in Court, Prepared and On Time; Be Civil; and Be Straightforward - Chief Judge Munyon

In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes the 9th Circuit Chief Judge Lisa Munyon who discusses her background and path to the bench. REFERENCED RESOURCES: https://www.law360.com/appellate/articles/1462291/fla-justices-mull-making-zoom-hearings-permanent https://issuu.com/orangecobarassociationorlando/docs/the_briefs_february_2022/14 https://www.floridabar.org/the-florida-bar-news/rules-package-to-codify-remote-proceedings-argued/ This podcast has been approved by The Florida B...

Mar 11, 202233 minSeason 2Ep. 6

Public Service is Always Challenging, Never Boring - Secretary Simone Marstiller

In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes former judge and current Secretary of the Agency for Healthcare Administration, Simone Marstiller who discusses her diverse background and strong roots in public service. If you’d like to follow Secretary Marstiller on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SMarstiller This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #5783....

Feb 07, 202243 minSeason 2Ep. 5

You're Not an Island - Judge Meg Kerr

In this episode, Judge Meg Kerr discusses her unique background and path to the Office of Judges of Compensation Claims, where she is assigned to Worker's Compensation cases. She emphasizes the importance of building relationships and making connections with colleagues and staff in order to be stronger professionally and to balance mental and emotional health and combat stress. References: The Florida Bar Mental Health and Wellness Center: https://www.floridabar.org/member/healthandwellnesscente...

Jan 07, 202234 minSeason 2Ep. 4

Reputation is Everything - Judge Sheri Chappell

In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes Judge Sheri Chappell who discusses the importance of mentoring and always striving to be above the adversarial process. https://www.floridabar.org/prof/pmentor/ https://home.innsofcourt.org/mentoring https://home.innsofcourt.org/AIC_PDFs/Mentoring/30245_Activity_Model_Mentoring_Program.pdf This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #5693....

Dec 03, 202133 minSeason 2Ep. 3

Always Be Willing to Serve - Justice Jamie Grosshans

In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes Justice Jamie Grosshans who is currently Florida's only sitting female Supreme Court Justice to discuss her path to the bench. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #5632.

Nov 01, 202138 minSeason 2Ep. 2

Ambassadors for Civility - Judge Beth Bloom and Judge Robin Rosenberg

Join us as we open Season Two with two amazing sisters on the bench. Our host, The Honorable Hetal Desai, explores the careers of Southern District judges, Beth Bloom and Robin Rosenberg who share their paths to the bench which led to their collaboration and development of the nationally recognized “Civil Discourse and Difficult Decisions” program. This podcast has been approved for 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #5588. References: Civil Discourse and Difficult Decisions Distance Le...

Sep 27, 202147 minSeason 2Ep. 1

Lawyers Never Lose Their Appeal - Judges Miesha Darrough, Gisela Then Laurent, Daliah Weiss, Patricia Barksdale and Carolyn Bell

Join us as we wrap up Season One with the ultimate legal professionalism #girlsquad! Our host, The Honorable Hetal Desai, delves deep into the careers of female judges who serve in The Florida Bar's Standing Committee on Professionalism (SCOP). Be inspired and motivation by the paths of Judges Miesha Darrough, Gisela Then Laurent, Daliah Weiss, Patricia Barksdale and Carolyn Bell. This podcast has been approved for 1.5 hours of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 1 hour...

Jun 02, 20211 hr 28 minSeason 1Ep. 7

You Have to Understand What You Are Fighting For - Judge Marcia Morales Howard

Judge Howard shares her journey to the bench as well as her passion for performing Naturalization Ceremonies and promoting Civics education. This podcast has been approved for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #6578. References : Judge Marcia Morales Howard Honored with Hoeveler Judicial Professionalism Award , Judge Marcia Morales Howard honored by The Florida Bar , The United States Welcomed 50 New Citizens in a ...

Mar 17, 202132 minSeason 1Ep. 6

You Cannot Be Afraid of Doing Things for the First Time - Judge Patricia Seitz

The Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism welcomes Judge Patricia Seitz, the first female Florida Bar President to discuss how to shatter glass ceilings. This podcast has been approved for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #4501. References : Judge Seitz interview for the Center’s Historical Video Series; Pro Bono Matters website; Judge Patricia Seitz to Receive Distinguished Federal Judicial Service Pro Bono Aw...

Feb 05, 202151 minSeason 1Ep. 5

Judge Jessica Costello--Mentors, Friendtors, and Advocates

Judge Costello shares her journey to the bench and the importance of mentoring and giving back. Judge Costello's Twitter: https://twitter.com/JessGCostello Judge Desai's Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudgeDesai Florida Children and Youth Cabinet: https://www.flgov.com/cyc-members/ This podcast has been approved for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #5981. References : Florida Children and Youth Cabinet Members , Jud...

Dec 16, 202032 minSeason 1Ep. 4

Encouragement and Support Makes a Difference--Judge Nina Ashenafi Richardson

Judge Ashenafi Richardson shares her trailblazing story of being a first generation immigrant attorney and her path to the bench. This podcast has been approved for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #5980. References : Minorities in the Legal Profession , Florida Bar issue paper; Helping First-Generation Lawyers Thrive , Law Practice Today article; How She Did It: Judge Nina Ashenafi Richardson’s Path to Leadership...

Nov 18, 202034 minSeason 1Ep. 3

Disagree Without Being Disagreeable - Judge Andrea Wolfson

Judge Andrea Wolfson discusses the importance of civility, congeniality and community in the legal profession. REFERENCES: Friendship between Justices Scalia and Ginsberg: What we can learn from Ginsburg’s friendship with my father, Antonin Scalia - The Washington Post Ginsburg And Scalia: 'Best Buddies' - NPR Article about a Prison’s Book Club similar to the one referenced by Judge Wolfson: Success Inside and Out: A Program for Women in Prison - NAWJ This podcast has been approved for 1 hour of...

Oct 14, 202029 minSeason 1Ep. 2

Make No Apologies—Judge Rachel Nordby

The Florida Bar’s Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism welcomes Judge Rachel Nordby to share her experience and advice on balancing family and the bench. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #5978. References : Justice, Interrupted , Bradwell v People of State of Illinois...

Sep 16, 202034 minSeason 1Ep. 1

This... is Never Contemplated

From The Florida Bar's Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism comes a new podcast about gender bias in the judiciary and the practice of law.

Sep 04, 20203 min
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