Episode 99: Nubia

were I feel like we need all the extra weeks. So, you know, today we're talking about Nubia, but you know where, we're joined by some of our favorite voices in nerd dum, some of the strongest voices in nerdo, some of my favorite people just in general. And one of these people our producer, officially new producer Joel Monique doing good be with you guys, yes, who did all this Newbia research for us, and also our wonder Woman Queen Tomorrow Brooks. Hello, Hello,

how are you doing. I'm I'm doing well. I'm I'm happy to talk about again more wonder Woman related stuff

and you know, be in your lovely presence. Well, if you haven't listened to our Wonder Woman episode, definitely listened to it after this because tomorrow just dropped the most knowledge We've been on multiple Wonder Woman panels together, and I just feel, uh, you also got to go to the DC Archives, right I did, and it was like really transcendent into experience, even though it's just like a library basically, like it's in like our library room, but like I got to hold the the like some first

like original pages from like Superman, and I got to see the unfinished um alternate ending from Batman when Jason Todd lived and I got yeah, I got to hold it in my hand. And then I also saw some dope Wonder Woman stuff like this like Rainbow record that like no like like three other printing, like there's only three available left somewhere else in the world. I saw the Bible that they used to write Wonder Woman, like there's like the whole guideline things. It was just it

was it was a lot. They were like, you can take more pictures. I'm like, but you don't understand I want to take I'm like absorbing all of this into all of my situation right now. So well, we normally start our show with what we're seeking out about. Um, Joel, what are you speaking out about? What am I gaking out about I am still I'm sorry for people who follow me from podcasts and podcasts, but yes, I'm still watching Gray's Anatomy. We have officially hit season fifteen contract

three times over. It is such a hall. I'm so ready to be done and get out of Grace Law Memorial. Let's fiddle, my god, I'm determined. I'm of two minds for that, with the same brain, which like is both the actor brain, because on the one hand, as an actor, like stuck to a show for that long, oh my gosh, creatively ah, But then as an actor brain, you're like, that's a lot of money guaranteed that who you're good?

You are good. Adia Benson over at SVU just got renewed for seasons five, I think, and like she's been doing it so long that she is not only getting both her regular paycheck but the residual paycheck because they are running it. They're they're running it everywhere and get that producer paycheck. Yeah, yeah, she's making all the money. That show dies when she's done, amazing, and even then she probably is good for the rest of her life about it that they're running though, if they made iced

teas Finn the Captain. That would be fascinating and I would totally watch that. They won't do that, but I'm just saying that I would love it though, fascinating. What about you tomorrow? That's an excellent question. I am in a position of catching up on a lot of stuff because I have a new day gig, and I also watch a lot of TV for that, So it's like every once in a while, I'm like, I'm just gonna watch repeats of Chopped as opposed to love it, you know,

catching up. So I always loved my cooking shows. UM. Another thing that I am obsessed with currently is um research because I am a writer and I also I am a nerd, and so I've been researching some stuff that I'm working on that I can't talk about and just falling down these deep, deep research holes and having like like hours of like YouTube videos talking about different subjects and going down like the Wikipedia trapdoor and just all that kind of stuff. So that's kind of what

I'm into at the moment. And also I am into back issues of comics. UM. I've decided that I am going to fill out my entire teen Titans comic collection and that's going to be a lot of money, but dedicated to it because I actually have a lot. So happy for you. And it's somebody who just got like a regular gig. This is also I'm like ready to go. Like when I first got into comics, I maxed out my first credit card. Buying comic books became a very quick ob session. So I have like all of the

Crisis on Infinite and Earth. I have uh, the first original print run of Sandman, UM all of the Cassandra Kanes back Girls. But I was like, I really, uh, Teen Titans sounds like something I really want to get into. It is a lot of books. I'm going to tell you that right now, because that was the first book that I started collecting each volume. Yeah, well I already

have the like the Wolfman run basically almost entirely. Um. I did stop at I have all all but one um from like the New Teen Titans slash New Titans era from like one to like D and four because then the arts changed and I didn't like the art, so I can understand. Um, going back reading all the wonder Boman comics, I was like, look at how much

changes over time. It's crazy. So yeah, So but I also had some of like the original Teen Titans runs from the sixties, because I was going to the same used but store when I was a kid and just buying whatever. So now I'm like kind of like filling that part out. And then I have I think the Tales of the Tea Times. I think I have all those already, so I just have to kind of go

back and refresh what I'm missing. So it's surprisingly not that much that I have to catch this, but they're going to be like twenty dollars a pop at this point. Question for you, Yes, how do you archive your books? Um?

I am going through a process of re archiving. I currently just have the long boxes like everybody has, UM, but I do have a plastic, more waterproof one because um, the first three books I collected was Teen Titans, Generation X and UM New Warriors, and several water uh things happened like there's a burst pipe, there's like an electrical fire, and it just demolished my collection. So I'm very sadly I don't I don't have any of my gen Xes anymore, and I don't have any of my New Warriors anymore.

It's my feelings. So the ones that I'm really really emotionally attached to are in a plastic bit now couple of my like autographed ones. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, I have to reorganize everything in my room because it went from like now I have it. Everything is getting cramped up now that I'm really in the Gundham's now so too

many figures. So I'm gonna get like a glass like especially because my buddy Roe com who you've heard on the Pot, has been doing a lot of sofoobie toys, so I have like he just recently did a co collab with Tom Neely, who does the indie comic Henry and Glenn Forever, which is a comic where Henry Rawlins and Glenn Danzigger in a beautiful marriage and it's all they're like regular day to day trials and tribulations as

essentially the Gods of Metal. But he did a co lab of those characters as Astro Boy, and so it's like it's like so many layers, but it's so cool because then on top of that, because I kick started, I got the bonus one off painting where it's painted in the style of Wolverine and Colossus, So there are multiple layers. But it's like cramped right next to my deco, who's like yeah, and then next to his death jaguar. So I'm like, okay, it's time to adult up and

put my toys in a nice glass. Yeah. I love representation. Oh yeah. But for me, what I've been nerding out about is I've been slowly but surely. I also have been having a pretty packed schedule, just both working on The Great Debate and now I can talk about I don't know if I said it on show sci Fi is going to take The Great Debate show which Danny has been in at many comic cons, and they're putting

it on television. So I've been writing on that and then at night doing my late night show, Super Punch. So it's been My house has been tragic, and I've been trying to still like watch things. And I thought, okay, it's been hard to keep up with, you know, seasonal animes and stuff. Maybe I'll just sit down and watch Redline,

which I missed. Which Redline is this anime done by Madhouse if you're familiar with the studio, and it was back in like two thousand, like seven nine, I think, and the art in it is so intense because it was hand drawn each frame and it almost made the company go bankrupt because it took so long to make. But it is gorgeous and it's in blu ray and it's crisp. And but I because I just don't have any time, I always get too sleepy. So I've been watching it in chucks, but I think I'm gonna go

watch it in full sometime this weekend. What are you gigging out about, Danny? Well, last night I got to go to the National Hispanic Media Coalition Impact Awards and that was fantastic. I feel like it's what my soul needed. Um. One, everyone was hot as hell. I was like, wow, we are such a hot people. It was like packed and everybody was just like dressed to the nines and it

was just great. You know, America Ferrero was honored. She is like such an amazing I want to say motivational speakers like what came to mind, But I don't know if you've ever watched her give speech, is you know, at protests or events and stuff, and she just has a way of really being like we're not going to put up with this. You know, we're going to fight together.

Um But so many people that were honored. One of them was Danny Garcia, who um, she helped fund seven Bucks Productions, which is like, uh, Dwayne the Rock Johnson's you might know she was married to him. They have a daughter, Simone, and then but she's gone on to work on so many things, and they were saying that she's actually made billions of dollars for if you look at all the revenue of everything she's worked on, and it's just like, this is so insane. This is a

Latina who has made billions of dollars. She is like just producing so many things, and like they had a clip of it and it was just so inspiring that it was like she's worked on so many you know, I feel like I'm just repeating myself, but she she works on all these blockbusters and like everybody, and she's also helping people and bringing people up with her. She

had Cuban immigrant parents and it's just like wow. And there were so many stories like that of like, while we're there's so many of us that are really putting in the work and it was just great to see so many successful Latinos there because it's just a reminder of like, wow, like our community really looks out for

each other and this is what we can do. And that was kind of like the theme the whole night was like we have to stick together, we have to reach back down once we've made it and pull the

rest of us up. And the cast of Hentified was there, which if you haven't watched, it's on Netflix and America Frera produced it and it's uh don't my friend Francisco Ramos is in it um and it really talks about the Chicano experience, which it was fascinating scene um Mexican people being like, oh, I didn't resonate with this, and I and uh Lalo who did? Uh? The Cassa Grandes was like, well, the Chicano experience is not the easiest thing to capture, Like it's so mixed for everyone's like

when did you come over here? What is it like? Are your first generation? Second generation? And it's just it's such a fascinating conversation and I just ask everyone to, you know, be open that we are not monoliths, but

you don't all have the same experience. That's always the the hard convo that uh that kind of goes into it because I I love you know, and it all comes through just multiple pieces of media, because I feel like, you know, right before this kind of like Renaissance and black art has happened, that was happening where people would nit pick it where it's like, this doesn't fit my experience,

so this is why. And it's like, well, because everyone's isn't the same, why are you asking you know, this to perfectly fit into yours and not see what you do resonate with? Uh? And that's and so I am more than sure as more stuff because even just in the past few years, I like how much like Latin X content there's been with on my block hnified uh you know uh time, you know, even like Jane and Jane the Virgin, you know all it's it's just really

just finally we're starting to break through the doors. And you know, me and Danny kind of had a conversation

akin to this. But things are changing in the sense that there was one kind of gatekeeper reprocess before where you had to just basically have permission to create, And now with the Internet and being able to produce media and the the falling prices of like cameras and audio equipment, people are now able to shoot and make things and get noticed past the gatekeepers, so that there's an execut who's like, no, this person, I don't need your inputs. Air I like them because I got to see what

they did, alright. Yeah, and it was America was essentially saying like we're no longer going to fight each other for one measly piece of the pie. We're gonna bake our own cake, and like we're gonna you know, but it takes us, you know. It was, it was great. It was just super inspired to see people that like they're starting their own studios, are starting their own production so we can own our art and our work, you know, not be working under somebody, so we can tell the

stories that we want to. And actually Jay Hernandez was also honored, and he was like, I'm you know, I'm glad that I'm my role is not like as a criminal or as like his new role that he's doing um or drug dealer or whatever, and so it was it was just very inspiring. And I think he's the first Latino lead on any show on CBS really that makes sense, or at least for like a really long time, at least like ten years. Yeah, that's it's wild. I'm

gonna remove all names from it. So but I remember I was pitching a show and we were talking about it after they didn't end up getting picked up, and I was talking about it with someone and I was like, yeah, I remember when we were pitching the meeting and you were well into your pitch. It was really good. But I was looking up they had all the shows that they've greenlit the wall, and he's like, I'm looking around and they had no black people, no people of color,

and I was like, well, I was. I was in a punch up room last last year for a CDs show and I was not only the only woman, but I was the only person of color. Like that is yikes on yikes having to speak up on there. And then one of the jokes I remember it didn't get picked up, so I don't care. One of the jokes on there, they had a kid being like, what's lit? Fam Like just wanted to visit my squad, and I'm like they would never, like how are you doing a

fellow children? Think I love about this show. This the the episodes we've done this much as they all kind of leaked back in because this kind of goes back into what we're talking about in the Duyne episode when you're saying there that Dwayne didn't see authenticity behind it like that, and it's things like that, and that's why like you are able to be like, now that's not

what people say. This is something more common and this is how that you know it really is like the easiest way to prevent coming off Like every time someone's like, yeah, this it just this ran hollow, this one on hollidand I'm talking about I was like, you know how you solve that right? And they're like what higher writers. I also, just before we move on, I also just want to say it's really fascinating we constantly see people saying like, hire the best person for the job, Hire the best

person for the job. Okay, So if I'm in that room, like I've I've sold a show right to HBO Max, I'm writing on a Netflix show. I am a writer, I'm a successful writer, and and those aren't the only things I've written written for Playboy blah blah blah. So if I'm in that room and I am the only woman and I'm the only person of color, do you think that they think that the things that I suggest are the best suggestions for the plots, the jokes or whatever.

They might just not get it. Like I hope that people understand that when you're saying like, well it should go to the best person, it's like, but who's deciding that? And maybe they don't think my jokes are good because they don't get it, and they're they're like a decade and a half older than me and so, and they're outdated in blah blah blah, and it's just like, I'm really exhausted by that that I see constantly in the mentions whenever directors and other people are speaking up about that.

Uh so, yeah, they probably thought their jokes were the best, and I could tell you they weren't, and the show didn't get picked up. So moving on to the Nubia. Moving on to Nubia, UM tomorrow, What is actually your first introduction to her? Nubia is an interesting thing because, as we're going to discover, as we talked about in this conversation, she's not used very much, and so I'm trying to remember specifically the first time I learned about her.

I'm pretty sure it was like during my like super hyper obsessive research time in high school when I was like getting away way deep in the comics, and I was like, where, why isn't this character around? More Like, I don't understand it's a she's a really interesting character technically, I think honestly, the first version of her I ever saw was a repeat of that Kathy Lee Crosby Wonder Woman movie where they had sort of she's, you know,

kind of a riff on Nubia a little bit. You know, she was lighter skinned, but like she was an Amazon that wasn't on the island and then became evil adjacent adversarial, sure, adversarial, and so it's that thing where you're just kind of, yeah, it's it's a crazy thing. So when I learned about her origin, which is basically she is Wonder Woman's twin sister.

Her mother fashioned two babies out of clay, one light clay, one dark clay, and um, you know, brought them both a life, and then Aries or Mars as he was called back then stole her away because you know, Ari's gonna Aries and put her on an island full of dudes and had her run that island. Now, in my head, that's always stuck with me as the greatest version of her origin, because if you think about it, why would Hippolitas just have one kid running around the island? Truly,

Like why wouldn't you have a sister for her? And that also kind of runs into the sort of reiterations of Donna Troy's origins where they did that whole thing where she was like a mirror toy and that got kidnapped and all that kind of stuff, which I'm not into that origin, but like that, it's a similar thought.

I think that goes through that. So yeah, just it was one of those things where I'm like, oh, that's a really cool origin and it's like, oh, she's like savage and running around with a bunch of angry dudes and difficut of her character, which I think what's interesting about Nubia is they're always trying to be less offensive and then they just run smack dab into a wall

of like slightly more offensive and yours. It's frustrating. And when you read like the different origins or different aspects of her character, like this would be a fast why does she have her own solo series? Like I would read I would hardcore read a Nubia series either, like where she's chilling in hades and protecting the door, which I think could be fascinating. She has a great love, like,

let's explore that. Um, I wouldn't mind it if we saw the Nubia who's a twin sister who was like, you know what I'm saying behind while you go off into your thing, Like maybe I'll come down and visit

every once in a while because I'm still a champion. Like, there's so many opportunities to tell a unique and fun story, and they're constantly like, we just don't really know what to do with her, or just leave her in the back, stranded somewhere behind locked doors fighting monsters or you know you never time she shows up, it's breathtaking, Like any times she was in a coma, you're just like, oh

my god, Nube is here. So, so Nubia was introduced across three issues of Wonder Woman, number two or four through number two oh six. Can you talk about that initial the story? Yeah, okay, so and just describing her for people that don't have never seen her before. Okay, So in her original iteration, she has kind of longer black hair with a white streak. Usually, um, that kind of mixes up depending on who's coloring book at the time, but um, and so she wears this armor, UM that's

like silver armor. She carries a sword that is forged by Aries or Mars at the time um and is one of the is the only weapon on the planet that can counteract the Lasso of Truth. And so she just kind of shows up on the island and it's like, yo, I'm gonna fight you. And so Diana and and uh Nubia getting this kind of battle and it's very evenly matched until Nubia has the upper hand and has Diana her sword. And then she's like, okay, well I'm Nubia. I'm over at the floating island. Um. That was a

great fight and I'm better than you. I'll see you later, um. And so she goes off to the island. And then when you find out that you know the secret history of her later um where she got you know, fashion and Mary stole her and actually suppressed the memory and apolitis a politics didn't even remember her until she saw her. And then she leads a invasion of Paradise Island with

her homie dudes that she used ruling. Oh and then there was a part in there before I think this is when she gets back to the island after fighting Diana. There are two men of the island who are like fighting over the right to marry her, and She's like, how about this, I will fight you both and I

will win because I'm no one's property. How about that? Um. So, then she leads this, uh this takeover of the island um and is battling Diana, and Diana manages to reflect array of light to this ring that she's wearing so that it loosens up and falls off her fingers because basically, hey, guess what, aries was mind controlling her the whole time

because he's terrible and that's what God's be doing. And uh So, then after she broke free from that that mind control, she went back to the island and it was going to basically turn all the warriors there into warriors peace, you know. So that was basically and then so so that's what happened in that story. And then the next time you see her is actually Supergirl number nine, and I think that's in seventy four, um and uh

in that story, Supergirl was trying to save people. It starts out with her seeing this guy that she was dating making out with another girl on a and this car goes over the cliff and she saves him, and she realizes that this is due that she dang, so she's like gross and then um, and then she goes and saves a guy in a plane who gets mad at her because he's doing an experiment, but she didn't know that because it looked like he was gonna die.

And then she saves a rock star from a mob and then he's like, I'm gonna kiss you, you know, for to thank you, and she's like gross. And so she's like, you know what, I'm just gonna fly around and not be here right now. So she ends up at Paradise Island and uh. She saves a boat with another Amazon who's unnamed Nubia and hi politics because they're

fighting these mutated shark men, as you do. And then Nubia gets poisoned and there's only there's this mystical route on a island that's two thousand miles away, and so the only person that can save them a supergirl. And as she's there, Paultas like, you know what, you have a strength. You remind me of my daughter Diana. I'm gonna make you my honorary daughter and you can just stay on Demoscara forever because she and she's like, you know what, dudes kind of suck and I'm okay with

not being around them now yeah staying here. Yeah, so sorry that I was gonna say yes. So she goes off to the island. Uh. She gets the root these uh priests on the island stealer her powers. She gets saved by a guy that's there, who then is like, well, now I have to protect you forever and I'm not letting you off the island. And then she gets her powers back and she leaves and everything's fine, and she's like, I guess I have to go back to the real

world because I can't just hide out here forever. I have a side selfish question that I want to ask because I know that you have read like every every Wonder Woman iteration, there's a lot of talk of their sisters, So I'm not saying that as them together but then being queer separately. Um, are there actual instances in the comics that you can think of with either of them? Again, I'm not saying with each other, right, um. Nubia is

presented as Hippolita's lover and I believe the earth one book. Um, she is with a god. So that was that deep. So that was her you know, I'll take it. It's not her real mom. But it was like I'm like, okay, I'm trying to say she doesn't hook up with her sister. I'm not saying that. When have they been queer? I would like to know selfishly for myself. But but this

version of her is not. This is she's just an Amazon island a thing because like once post crisis, she is that that whole being her sister thing is never areshed. Every um. They just basically like that's nice, that doesn't exist. So um. So there's that she's with a male god in um the only run I think of the complete run of her. That's all. That's two O five and two or six. Yeah, it's called Three of Hearts and his name it's by Robert Canager. He was the writer,

uh not on that one. Um. That was some of the d I can't remember. I have to look up the name. I haven't. I haven't. I swear to God I Mazda. Yes, that's the name of the God of Light. Yes, the God of Light and his heart got cut out of his body by his brother, who is a god

of lies. And so basically she ends up being in Vegas where Wonder Woman is fighting other people, um, because she's chasing the heart so she can bring him back, and a bunch of stuff happens, and there you get to see her use she One of her powers post crisis is the cold Stare, which is what they call it, and basically she can turn people into stone. But she

got from the Gorgon's. Yes, they packed from the Gorgon's because she did some kind of cool stuff when she was guarding the gate and they're like, hey, you know what, you're pretty dope. Here's an extra power for you. Level up. It's so awesome. We have to dig a really quick break and then we're going to cover more of Nubia right after this and we're back. We're still talking about Nubia. Um. So, Joel, I know you did a lot of research on her costumes.

Can you talk about the the changes along the way. Yeah, And the first time we see Nubia, it's very like Gladiat your style. She's got this rising phoenix on the breastplate, which is really cool. She has um very typical kind of spartan hat you think of when you think of the warriors, the full chain mail down the arms and like this red kind of like pleaded skirts sort of similar to what Diana will wear later in her iteration. At this point, she's still in the like spans high

tight star spangled banner outfit. Um and what year? Sorry? What years? Yes? So this is during her initial appearance in nineteen three. Um, She's just so badass, it's insane. It's just like we have just kept this kind of progressiveness the whole way because I'm looking at it. We

will tweet out this photo. I mean, she's just stunning and in Gladiator, like Joel was saying armor and it's just yeah, and having like a separate series where she is like training these warriors of male warriors or peace and like going out in the worlding stuff would have

been so cool. It's it's awesome. I feel like she uses a box set of Dark and Lovely every other week to keep her hair like soft and flowy, and like there's a very secret pool somewhere on the island where she just goes over and just like dips her head in, like it just swirls a little bit and then like pulls it out and it's just like beautifully laid, like that's I feel like that's a magic of the island. Yeah.

I feel like there's a special like uh like like pool for all the black Amazon where you put it and you think about what style you want, if you wanted to get pressed, it's there, and it's like a special magic press that doesn't mess up when water hits it. Right. Um, when you see her your leader in, she's got this like black swimsuits or thing. It's really feels like they

were like storm's kind of hot. Like I don't like to draw a storm for d C. It's like weird gold plate cutouts, but they're literally just like chicken breasts like over her boobs. It's very weird. Um. And then she has a gold boot that I love because it's slip down the front and then the triangle folds are like down instead of I think what we typically see, which is like just a very straight triangle on the side. This is at the front of her shin. They just

look cool, they're unique. I just love this panel that you pulled out, which it's nubia with her fist up not quite doing the black almost almost, and she goes me, um, they're Wonder Woman. And then and then the black woman in the back says, Nubia my black sister. Yeah, listen, they knew how black people talk. They had it down packs Christmas. Um, and she's got sort of the What I really like about Wonder Woman in the late sixties early seventies is all the characters have the giant hair

of the moment, and it's glorious. It's like very much like a snooky style bump, a like bigger and more curious, and it's like all kinds of like the black and

blue shiny they do in comic books. She looks amazing, Like I was really looking at this origin you had out of her where it was like the whole Wonder Woman arc where she changes outfits and she's like Diana, And it really was cool how they were like, yeah, we're just gonna like set, We're gonna try and update it and like this like we like progressive, like I'm gonna save you from prison by doing the Like I was like, I hope they really bring that energy to the d C. You like, let's see one like I

want to see her go from each decade and let's see like them earlyts nineties wonder Woman with the Britney Spears dinhim fit. But I know, I was like, I'm so excited about the eighties. They better have some Madonnas stuff in there for her. I mean, I want to see her with like the crop. No, they probably can't do that, like the brawn across the last UM. I did want to have our my friend and a lot of our friends, Christina Riel on this episode, but she's

at packs, I believe. But she has cause played pretty famously as Nubia, so we'll include that on our instant Twitter. Um. Some picks of her. Um and it's like you said, if he in the trade sail wonder Woman outfit. I also love this barbie that they had of her. Yeah, there's like a doll they created for Okay, So Tamery, can you talk about the sad news about how she was going to be on TV show but then wasn't

on the wonder Woman TV shows. It is a thing that either I didn't know or I actively suppressed in my brain because understandable devastating. UM. So, if you guys don't know about the original Wonder Woman series, it started out on ABC and then for its last season or maybe two seasons, moved to CBS. I think it was just this last season, so uh or at ABC they were like, hey, you know what we should do. We should bring a Nubia She's in the comics, would be

really cool. We're gonna bring her in. They cast uh, the woman who was the lead and get Christie Love. So they already had her cast. They had it all ready to go, and they even did this uh promotional. They were getting the merchandise a ready, So you did this promotional doll of Nubia and how she was going to appear on the show, and she looks so dope. So she has the dark hair, she has a white stripe, she has the great silver armor and like it's basically

her original comics appearance outfit. But because they moved UH networks and the the plan for the series change, that was completely scrapped. So um, it's definitely what could have been a situation, and it hurts my heart a little bit, um, but it's it was not meant to be at that time. Sadly. Yeah, CBS it is only now just getting into showing people of color on their network, CBS, But it was unfortunate because you have this doll. It's kind of a one off.

It hit store shelves but didn't go really beyond that. But she does look sick. My favorite Nubia look is her two thousand appearance where she causes the Three Hearts. Is she run one seventy six? I think, Um, she gets like a George Washington shoulder treatment that is so sick. They give her an olive green cape's to the floor, and then her breastplate is like a ring lion was too, like gems for eyes. And then the best part they

give her natural twists which are really sick. Her hair is like kind of short, like shoulder length, but these like thick twists on it. She looks so good. And then of course classic hoops, which you know. I would like to see some people caused play this version of new be totally. I mean, I would love to see more of you. I was just thinking like, if someone caused played the seventies version of her, would people know, um, right, who that was? That's a good question. I think that

it would definitely be the Deep Nerds. Oh my god, it's actually about to say the Deep Weeves, but that's the difference. Weaves might know it too. What's really interesting as we kind of review both the history of Nubia and her costuming, is like, how did this idea come

into being? And if you listen to Glorious Steinham tell it, her and Miss Magazine had like a huge role play in it, right, yeah, there was, um so, as I talked about the last time I was in here, there's a period where they've depowered Wonder Woman, made her spy for reasons and uh so, and that lasted a good

couple of years and so uh yeah, um so. Gloria's Dynham then, as a fan of the character as a child, ran a series of essays and Miss Magazine talking about Wonder Woman her impact and so in it she implored DC Comics to give her her powers back, which they did, and then there's a part where she talks about how Wonder Woman is a great hero for women, but it is only white women that you see in the comics

and there is no intersectionality there. So a lot of people are crediting her pointing that out to them being inspired to create Nubia m um, and which I think is actually as a writer and as a person who doesn't always write stories and things like that, but I do you know, cultural critiques and things like that. To be able to see that historically the words have always been able to create a positive impact on the pop

culture that you consume is really heartening. And it, you know, being able to see a character like that in the books more if if she existed in any capacity during the eighties or you know, nineties, and when I was like in this used bookstore and that's how I got my comics. Mostly there was like a book a rack at like the local Crown Books and then this let's use bookstore in Pasadena that every you know, every month,

I take my allowance and I go there. I look through the books and see what was there and just get whatever, you know, looked interesting at the time. And so if I could have seen her on the cover and I would have flipped my lid like it would have been just it would have been so so impactful. So it's it's really really interesting to see how all that that works. And it makes me hopeful that will still be able to do this stuff. I mean, we're seeing it now, but like to be able to know

that it happened even in the seventies is great. Yeah, I mean that's to me, I guess what gets confused. Not confusing, but it's like we were so we were doing something like of trying to you know, and then why did why? I mean I already know the answer to my question, but it is difficult to see us go backwards for decades, including now bat times, but like, yeah, that is a big deal. That is a big deal to have her in this like gladiator armor, just like

shining and gorgeous and like being the equal of Yeah. Yeah, that's like, yeah, that was like huge. It reminds me of I mean, not in the same way, but like when we were talking about Diana's first appearance in the forties when she was kind of like no, I'm not gonna listen to you, and like you don't understand. In

the forties that was like not done. Women were supposed to be, you know, underneath their husbands and and the man is first and respecting them and very much like leave it to beaver type stuff, especially you know, back then. And it's just wild to me that we kind of then went in reverse for several decades. They were like we don't like that, and that scares us so now

we're going to like completely not do that. Well, it's funny because it's just like with like t g IF and how there were so many black sitcoms at one point where you had like sisters Sister, you had family matters, you had uh, you know, what's the what's the one thing about the Parkers you had? Yeah, you had all those and then out of nowhere, it just seemed like

it just stopped. You know. Well, they were networks were combating cable at the time, and one of the way you could do that was appeal on your basic cable to a black audience, because more black people have basic cable, and that's what basically saved dPNs right before they became more prothers. They're like, oh, they don't need black people anymore, thank you for the ratings boosts abounds, which I think

is what typically sort of happens. It's like, oh, and sort of how Nubia has been treated a lot throughout her career. It's like, oh, they like seeing a black wonder woman here he goes taste. Yeah, she's so awesome and she kicks so much button. She's like has such a different ideology from wonder woman who's very much like I must come and protect man. And listen, they're trying,

they're struggle, they're not mature. Yet we're going to get them there wherea Zubia was like, when we got time, I'm gonna turn that guy to stone and save this

little girl. And then I got to Bounce's amazing. And also I would also like to say that the whole thing of them being sisters, which blows a lot of people's brains, but like, I'm black, but I'm also mixed, and so some of the things I mixed with his Cape Verdian which is a group of violence off the Cas Senegal and most of them live in Massachusetts or in San Francisco, um, but in my mom's family, there's seven of them and they go a spectrum of colors. So it's not like you can't just have two kids

and one blight. It literally happens every day. So you know, even that like and that's also you know I talked about a little before seeing Linda Carter, I knew she was something. I don't know what she was, but I knew she was something, And she reminded me of some of my mom's side of the family and That's another reason why I imprinted on her so hard, because it's just like, this is a thing that represents my life in a way that I never see it ever and

still pretty much don't. And I just you know, I need everybody to do better, get on get on their level. There's opportunities. We have to take another really quick break, and then I actually have before we hop back into more things. I really have a really funny, great crossover of Nubia that I'm going to spill right after this and we're back. So this is often forgotten, but Nubia actually appeared in the Scooby Doo comics Scooby Doo Team Up number five by d C Comics. It was Trouble

in Paradise. She this is her description or personality. She has a low opinion of men. Uh. This is on the Scooby Doo a pda uh. She has a low opinion of men, as evidence when she describes Shaggy Roger's cowardice as something that should be expected from his gender. Yeah. Um. Due to Aphrodite's Law, Paradise Island bestows wonder Woman and all the Amazon's godlike powers. Um, as long as mortal and do not step foot on the island. So she has in this run immortality and she's an a dope.

She's like kind of in a white like armor and has like a golden eagle. I do have to give props to like modern Scooby Doo writers because like the last ten to ten to fifteen years, it's just great content. And when they started doing the crossover stuff, it is just a whole other level. Like the Scooby Natural like crossover was that was insane. Dude prepared, I'm prepared for how great that is. So I just props to everybody who's been working on that. I p right now because

it's you're hitting out of the park. Yeah. So she's in full like armor but still has like a redsh skirt um and then her hair do is different every time, which I love and appreciate. And then she's also in the Wonder Woman seventy seven Bionic Woman crossover and she's there with one of the Fausta something camerostice. No, No, it's um she because she's one of the character is that um one on one faced uh, and then brought them to the island and they're reformed now. So they're

reformed island. Amazon's on the island and they're actually in a relationship together. So that's another more career representation for y'all. I forgot about that one when we were talking about earlier. There we go Fausta Grable, Yes, um so, and I think married, getting married, being on the island, doing good stuff, and it's a thing that I feel like people forget that one or one is really trying to reform people

and reach their hearts. I feel like that's a better reason in the universe for her to not have a big rogues gallery as opposed to sexism. Uh in the real world, Well, it does look like people think that she popped up in the TV series, Um yeah, that a version of her um as Caroline Hamilton's who's part of the San Francisco Police Department. But she, Uh, they have Caroline in um as Nubia in a comic, so

they that's the Wonder Woman's having. So they she she renames herself Nubia when she gets through the island, so you know, it's a whole thing. So that's like, you know, I also have a big fan in the Wonder Woe in seventy seven comics. Anyway, So definitely check those out

when you guys have a chance. Um, it's really interesting that, like this was one of the hardest things to research because I knew that I had read like I read the you know the nineties appearance, you know that storyline, and I know I had seen her first appearance, and then I was like, there's got to be more, right, there's not that much more well speaking of that, So, so we have The Wonder Woman eight four coming out. I think it would be dope if Nubia appeared and

that was something they were keeping secret. But I don't see a world in which Patty Jenkins has done such an amazing job with trying to make an honest portrayal from a normal viewpoint. I don't even want to say like a woman's viewpoint. It's just like not from a guy's, Like it's not you know what I mean. And so of like showing no, I probably wouldn't like bend down and put on lipstick in the middle of a fight or some shi it or like my skirt doesn't need

to be that high. It doesn't make sense, um for fighting. Uh. And and I don't see a world in which Patty Jenkins wouldn't want to add Nubia in at some point. I think it's probably not the time for it, though, just from a like, I don't know what the story of this movie is. I've been trying to not learn anything about it, um, but I just think she's such a big deal potentially that I would rather her be saved for another time than to just kind of like

shove her in here. My I totally agree. I don't know if I think that she's going to be necessarily or maybe at the end of this one, but I think it's perfect because Wonder Woman did so well to kind of slide her in here, so she's introduced here, she can further be in the film and then get her own film, because I think that's well, here's the thing is, it's just like, it's so much if we just gave her her own film, where I think, like Wonder Woman is already set as like people are like,

oh no, that made millions of dollars. It was like a huge success. It was like one of the best DC films, and so like, why don't we slide her in here, introduce her and then give her her own film. I've got it. Here's what I want to see I would like to see them her just help out in a fight, right, like one of Thomen. She like maybe calls some of her Amazonian sisters they came through. She like tosses her sword and she's like, no, thanks, got my own giant swords from my dad, bam. And then

she's super awesome. And then Brothers is like, man, people really like these Smscarans. That was our favorite part in the first movie. In the second movie, what if we gave them a TV show on HBO and we watched them every week be lesbians and awesome fighters? And then Joel is happy for life. No, Joel, you're still right because we lost like that fantasy like Game of Thrones whatever thing. So it's perfect for them to pick up a warrior franchise women's staff. Let's go. I will be

on it. Listen. I have a lot of ideas hiring me and giving me money. UM. I know that she appeared. I could not read them at the time because they're not available on the DC Universe app. But I did see that Nubia di does pop up currently in the Rebirth era UM and the last couple of issues of Great the Live storyline. I think it's the last three issues or it's from like, you know, seventy seventy five is like the last part of this run, I believe,

So I think it's seventy three to seventy five. Um, but I couldn't read them, so I just read about it. So because she's in there recently, then I am taking that as a sign that they are going to definitely do more things. And here's the thing. Wonder Woman is the only female superhero who has sidekicks named after her. True, So why do we not have a wonder Woman's centric spinoffs? Why do we not have a wonder Woman office covering all her comics? Why does Wonder Girl not have her

own comics? Why does you know? Like, why are we not data? So cool to like seeing? The cool thing? What I really like about that DC does really well as their animation, especially if you're checking out Young Justice, which you absolutely should be. Season three is so good. Um. But it's cool is that it gives like, if you didn't come across these characters in your natural reading, you know, maybe you're like me and you got into a couple

of series here and there. I got really into an indie comic books not too long after getting into like superhero comic books and so I'm touch and go in some places. But man, if you want to know about some heroes, Young Justice or Justice League or Justicely Unlimited will fill you in and give you like a whole vibe of like what these characters are going for. And Diana Prince is Dope's how I got into Zatanna, who's

super awesome. I learned about Icon and Rocket from those shows, like there's just there's so much to love about them. I'm a little upset we never got Nubia in any of those Yes, never appear in such a larger deep cut than New Year, Yes, I can't. And Rocket like, and they had Rocket there being a Rocket like, like they didn't like change her down. She got right up

there with the other team. Times. It's good. Um yeah, I think I'm gonna I'm gonna stay a controversial opinion, which I don't know if I stated this on the Wonder Woman's specific podcast, but Justice leagu Unlimited is a great show for deep cuts, but it is also wonder Woman is the one character that that Holy Trio cannot figure out how to write. I don't think that's contra virtual at all. It's very true because they're always like,

maybe she's a love interest for Batman or Superman. Every time they do it, I'm like, what the hell is happening? So gross love triangle too, because it's like it just doesn't and then it's not truly because Superman Batman never like deal with it, and they're never in a committed relationship with Wonder Woman. It's almost always a side flirtation. And then she'll be like, oh, well, I'm just about the rules and up and down. I mean, like a

die hard Batman like fan since I was little. Also the lord of just like Selena Kyles is who I mean, who gets shipped like that to me? Will always be So I'm just like, I don't even want one woman involved. And this is Steve Trevor Erasure is woman not Diana, which blows my mind. Just uh, secure in his own ability, Yes, supportive dude who's like, look at my baby be all straight. Yeah, And he's like, this woman is better than me in every way, and I respect and I don't need to

put her in her place. Ever, I will run support for her in the ways that I can. I still could do some stuff, but I know she could do more than that. He's a colonel in the army, like Serevor gotta going on. And I do think that Chris Pine did that role so well. It was so just like, oh crap, she can do everything better than me. I'm just going to be here on the side her and adore her. Um. But yeah, and that's you know, so

love interesting. So I think it's interesting that Nubia, like for you know, in the in the nineties iteration where she's guarding you know, the door to Tartarus and Hades and all that dooms doorways what they call it, I believe. Um. But they talked like they did the thing that the thing where they talk about some of her adventures and I'm like, like we were saying before, like they sound so cool, and so what was the thing that led her to be like messed up on the shores of

where this god is? And like how about that she's dope enough that all powerful God is Like hey, and I don't recap of their romance. I was instantly intrigued. I will watch that love story because I feel like it was messy and challenging and then she has to come and save him and he's like calling to her telepathically. It's so romantic and sweeten It happens in two episodes

like two issues. Now you could easily do like a fifty issue arc of their like love romance in the same way that Green Arrow and Canary got their storyline, which was super awesome done a comic. More couples comics. They are extremely my vibe. I just want to say too, I think it's so fun when people get upset about calling either Nubia or a wonder Woman queer because it's like, so you think that they're just virgins on that island. They've just never had sex ever, even though they look

like that and their bodies look like that. Okay, um, well this has been I mean, I mean not wrong. That's why it's funny. So they're just all virgins running around. That makes perfect hot ladies waiting for a guy. Just waiting. Yep, you know. Find guys are not necessary. They're like rocks so that they can eat. Okay, that's a little bit making. They're making their own. Yeah, they dreaming, dreaming, waiting. They

have magic and technology. They do not need it. Magic and technology and each other, who are very beautiful people. I think, well, that's why. Okay, so I'm just gonna put this out there too, going along with Joel said with having a series possibly on HBO, but I think that if Nubia was introduced there, it could be a world in which that is Diana's love interest, because even Gal Gadote herself has been like, just because she likes Steve Trevor right now doesn't mean that that's who she's

going to be with forever, you know. I mean that's because I's that's I mean also that but that's yeah. But um, it's kind of like what we talked about with our Lando episode. It's like the guy is so hot, like of course he's going to sleep with whoever you can, like a robot, a man, a woman, an alien, literally anyone. He's you know, gonna taste the rainbow from the underworld that visits them Scaria, He's listen, is the goal and

peer of heart. Yeah, is a person. And I'm just saying it's like it's like those the quartz crystals that are nice, and it's a quartz that is just delightful and just hello, ladies, today the world is pretty pretty and shiny and bright, and let me romance you yeah, shout out to that goal and Shadow Well, thank you all for coming on the geek out about Nubia. Yeah, of course. Um uh tomorrow, where can everyone catch you?

You can find me on Twitter and sometimes Instagram at Misfits tomorrow and Joel Uh same with those directions only head to at Uel Monique, j O E L L E, M O N I q u E. I'm at MS Danny Fernandez. It's M S D A and I F E R and and D easy. I'm actually gonna be on a panel with tomorrow at Wonder Car and so pay attention to our twitters because I think we get to officially announced the day and time and I We're like, okay, soon soon, um yeah yeah. And Brett Brett Brett, how

you doing? Um? I I Y N W I D I d V on Twitter and Instagram if he's on Twitch, the discord is Discord dot g G Forward slash Salt Squad. Uh. You can catch me every night at eight pm eleven pm Eastern on Twitch at super Punch, Twitch dot tv slash super Punch for my late night show super Punch. I'll be at Emerald City, uh talking you know, and we're gonna do a bonus episode talking about that, and I'll also be doing stand ups and pay attention to the twitters and see what shows I actually get on

wonder Con. I will not be in l A. I will also be at the same time, Yes, soccer Klon I'll be Yeah, I'll be at Socco da Kroon. So maybe we'll compare our con experiences and see how how might we be experience compared to your dope panels. Yeah, yeah, I'm getting it all, but yeah, thanks for listening, and like we say every week, stay