Episode 92: Star Wars - The Force

you're the only one. Well that's because you know, while everyone was out of town getting sick, since I was, since I'm in l A Native, I was breathing in all these beach waves. No, that's not the No, that's not what's he that's sucking in that good. I honestly think I got sick because our wildfires. When all the smoke settles. Um, then when the rains came, I think it like it had all still been there. So um. Anyways, I know I'm correct because Emma five is shaking her

well because I was here. I did not go out of town over Christmas. But I think that, Yeah, there's there's a level of that, and there's also a level of all of these people who did get sick coming back came back and that that was since you've been gone. Um. That is our friend Emma five joining us. You will recognize her that you are in our RPG episode. I was, yeah, yeah, she's pop culture host Emma five. We also have joining us, We have two other guests. They were really bringing it in,

bringing in that new year, big big glow up. We have filmmaker Katrina Dennis. This is your first time on, my first time on, and also my first time being introduced as a filmmaker, so that's really yes, welcome to the party. Um. And then we also have producer and host of e T online dot com. It's Ash Crossing. Hey, also a first timer hopefully not the last, absolutely not. I was Ash, I got to be on your show.

We talked about how Jafar is a jatty. He's a jatty yeah, and we talked about the genie, which I ended up thinking that movie slept really hard. There you go, what's a jatty hot? I wish I did an interview with me him soon he got really mad when I said that he was like he was he was like a Laddin's hot. I was like, dude, a, Laddin has always been hot, Mina. Do you think he's threatened by sexy Jafar? Probably, Well, he has to be sorry to

mean to cut you off, go for it. I was gonna say, well, he has to be um kid friendly, you know what I mean, Like he comes across as like wholesome and too far as not. He's the villain that you just want to punish you totally. Villain makes a good Disney villain. That's why they have like a whole merchandise nine. Now everybody loves this sexy. It is just raw sexual energy. And people even thought Scar was sexy, you know, the whole Lion Law Live the King and

he's all right, dude, calm down, you're just killing your brother. Well, and then we found out that he had a family. He was getting it on and his son was hot. Apparently all the villains are getting it on. What I

know this is this is exciting. You know, instead of just tackling one huge property on one episode, we're like spread and love and I think we're doing something fun, you know, instead of doing your typical deep dive of like a property that has existed for years that people have have done many a deep dives on many of things. We're going to take out parts that are interesting and explore them. So today we're talking about Star Wars, but we're not talking about a specific movie, We're not talking

about a specific episode. We're talking about the Force, which I think first first thing we want to talk about, especially if you see all these like Star Wars nerds talking about mitachlore Glorians online, You're like, what are the what what? What what are they saying? I mean, is that canon? Yes, yeah, I mean it's in the prequels. Every time I see Darth Vader, like when I go back and watch the original trilogy, every time I see him,

I'm like, that's Hayden Christensen under there, that's him. Yeah. Um. We are talking about the Force, and we wanted to give a brief disclaimer that all of the information in today's episode come This is from Joel Monique are amazing researcher who wants to make sure that she's that we cover ourselves. Everything uh in today's episode comes from the Legends leg of Star Wars. When Disney purchased Lucasfilm, many of the novels, comic books, cartoons, and video game storylines

transitioned out of cannon and into legends. At any time, the good folks at Disney can brings something out of legends and into the current canon. This creates some awesome headcanon and sometimes confused fan base, but it also makes

for an incredibly rich history to dig through as fans. Yeah, I think the best, the best and simple description is, you know, you have your movies, but through like I said, this is how many years old you know, so you had novels, you had, you know, many a games, You've had all these different things that came out, and instead of just being like none of it means anything, I think the smarter move was just that they they describe

it as legends. There their myths, and you know, myths that can be real or not depending on who is writing the movie from a certain point of view. I did want to say this will contain spoilers from Rise of Skywalker. If you haven't seen it yet, I don't you probably do not care about this episode, to be honest, because anyone that cares about Star Wars stuff has probably

seen it by now. Yeah. Oh that's this is going to be a small um and I'm gonna make it super quick because we have so much to go through. But it was the discussion and I just everyone trying

as Kurt of response that you can. But the last I remember clearly when The Force Awakens came out, because The Force Awakens came out while I was working on at midnight, and every comedian, because they're so original, wanted to come on the show uh and spoil uh and spoil that uh han dies every every comedian, every and so the first time someone did it, we bleeped it out,

like straight up bleeped it out. And then eventually someone tried because because we would also be like no, but like of course, people who were like you know, regulars on the show had a little more freedom, will just sneak it in there, and we bleeped it. And then eventually I think it was like three weeks or or so passed and Chris just let it live on the

air and he had so much hate online. And it is interesting because then we had a big discussion in the room of like, when is the the spoiler cut off? And I and I was, I was, I'm more unfair with it because I treat and I hold myself to the same standards. I don't get mad. If I want to see something, then I stay off of social media for the week. But I say after three weeks it's fair game. And some people say after it's run in

the theaters, which I think is the safest. But I think after three weeks, because if you don't within three weeks want to see it and look, I get it. People are like, oh man, um, some people can't afford to see it. And usually the person who says that excuse is not that person like usually it's the it's someone who's trying to start an argument like I've never once been like because I remember this happened. Uh someone

said that. Chris was like, Okay, I'll buy your movie ticket right now, and they're like, well I saw it already, and he was like what then, why are you making that argument? And my general rule is like, thankfully with a lot of Star Wars films releasing around the holidays, I'm totally for that. Um. My general rule is to wait until after the holidays because that's when families have gotten together, and Star Wars first and foremost is a

family franchise. You so see it with your with your parents, you know. Um, So that once people are rolling back in from the holidays. I'm like, all right, we're gonna talk about this. Yeah, what about you? Ash Well. This made me really much appreciate what the Russo brothers did that one time when they were like, hey, guys, come Monday, we're talking about spoilers. You guys can put it on Twitter, like until then, just shut your mouths, and like pretty

much everyone did it. Yeah. I kind of wish we just had this like beacon of light every time that was like, hey guys, on Febru we're talking like Star Wars spoilers. I think it's one of those things, like that escape room effect where you just need the one person to make a rule and everyone will just obey.

It sounds like the Mandalorian right, Like people still haven't seen it like in the country, so it's like when when are we talking about the People started blasting super interesting back and forth with Matt Martin from the story group at Lucasfilm, where he was like he post something.

He's like, so is it okay to post? I mean he works for Lucasfilm and I was like, I don't know if I should post this thing because I'm trying to be respectful of the fact, the people in the UK haven't seen it, so even when I would tweet about baby, I would always be bank tweets. Uh. But this was like three weeks after the first episode of The Mandalorian had aired, So yeah, it's still it is like this weird gray territory. Mandalorians different because it's like

you can watch it in your living room. So but to me, it's like people who didn't go to work would watch it in the morning, and that I would. I just didn't have time. I mean, if I wasn't writing on this ship, like I would probably be there too, but then they would start tweeting. But also like if he said I would just stay off of it. Mine for movies is about two weeks. I'm like, if it meant anything to you, you would have snuck in there.

I don't know. You would have lied. You would have liked gotten a boughten a ticket to go see something smaller and then snuck in. I don't know. You would have trench coat, like three kids in a trench coat. You would have figured it out. And anything Star Wars, Marvel like those huge things. I think I give you two weeks and then if not, like just don't be on social media. We have muted words now, mut the

crap out of stuff all the time and it works. Um. Speaking of the Force, I kind of wanted to go around and just see how each person would describe it. Serious, can be can be silly. I'll go first, Um, the Force. How do I think it's like the Holy Spirit? I don't know. Um, It's like I'm trying to think of what else and I can always go from like DBZ lore. Um, it's yeah, like this spirit. I don't want to use force. I need a look energy. It's an energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

that's what we use in in the anime world. UM. I guess ash, how would you describe it? Um? I would describe it as George Lucas probably sitting around and the remote was across the room or whatever, and he was like, I wish I could just to me like Matilda. And then he was like I'm going to do a movie about this, And then I think that you are like, yeah, I just want to levitate stuff for me, and then and then it just got incredibly complex after that. Yeah.

I think as a nerd, I would describe it as space magic, and as a screenwriter, I would describe it as the the literal, uh, the literal metaphor for light and darkness, and just expectedly how it especially how it enters, how the Jedi interact with the Sith, and how it is they are just straight up just plot light and Seth is plot dark. I've always thought of it, and I'm pretty sure it was said in one of the Star Wars films or cartoons or whatever as basically the

energy that flows between all living things. I mean, it's it's not it's it's not actually that sort of fantastical of a concept when you think of the idea of that, Like there is that like energy is constantly renewable, Like when something dies, it's not dead, it's just having its energy repurposed. And so that's very much what I think. That the Forces and the Jedi are just the people that are able to tap into and utilize this thing

that's there. Yeah, I would say that it is no less or more complicated than exactly what Obi Wan said uh in a New Hope. It's an energy that flows through all of us. It binds us together, um. And what that means is that it drives our paths in different in the movies or not ours I'm sure we've all come together because we're just very lucky. Um. But it weaves passed together that we need to be woven together. UM. It's not necessarily a power level like some treat people

seem to treat it as. UM. It's it's a thing that exists that like people who everyone in a way has access to it. But those who know about it and accept its existence are the people who can do force Monks stuff. I love it. I'm so into witchcraft and I just realized that their brew has there are no there are actual force brew Has, and I would love to talk about them today to answer what is

the force? Based on what our research? Uh. It's referred to as the way in ancient times, and the force can be broken down in the four distinct parts, the living force, unifying force, the cosmic force, and the physical force. The light side and the dark side of force deal in moral ethics, and users of the light side are considered compassionate, healing, and merciful, while the dark side deals and absolutes fear, anger, and revenge. Living force deals with

the force within living beings. The unify The unifying force deals with space and time. The cosmic force deals with in life and after day, and the physical force deals with anything in the physical realm. The force resides and all living things, but can only be controlled by force sensitive creatures. The forces measured and being uh and being by midic Midicalorean counts. So there it is. Is that word. Actually, if you've seen Star Wars, which I know you have,

everyone pronounces everything eighteen different ways. So Midaclorean's in my book is just as correct. Um, I have a question that's done, But I don't you know. I'm in a safe place and have not studied these as much as you have. So the Sith, like, when I think of that, are some of the people that are considered bad using the good elements of the force. There's there have been Sith who have started on the path toward not necessarily

the lights, but the balance of the force. Yeah, I will bring up that space through how assage Ventress as one of those characters who started on an arc like that, and she was still using dark side magic, but she was beginning to open up to light side theories, and so her path changed because of that. So sith Sith are like are uh servants of the dark Side. They're they're they're under the oppression of the dark side willingly. Yeah, because the dark side has much more attractive qualities. Yeah,

except it makes you real ugly. It really ruins. Yeah, but I don't have a good skincare routine anyway, because like a light side is all like you. You don't you know, sleep with anyone. You're just like very merciful, You're very nice. You don't like and like, yeah, the dark side you can just like you know, you can do stuff up. Yeah, yeah, do whatever you want, do whatever you want. You can be mad at people and use the force about like, yeah, I would much rather

be a Sith. Sorry. I think that's some thing that I was aware of as a little kid when I was first watching Star Wars and was introduced to this concept of the light side in the dark side of the Force, and I always gravitated more towards the Han solos and being that sort of character with Star Wars because I was so aware of the fact that since I was such an emotional child, like I've I was done for if I were force sensitive, I would have been like sifth day one, Yeah, I've been like, yeah, Palpy,

I'll go with you. Let's do it, But I always thought that was funny when people talk about Kylo Wren like throwing tantrums, I'm like, what would you do if you add all that power? Like, it's so funny. It's like the whatever the is it the Yale prison experiment or something. Humans actually turn really quickly on each other when given absolute power. Uh so, how did we become conscious of the force? But we have celestials. The force has been passed down from one powerful organization to the

next throughout time. It began with celestials, I hope. I'm saying at one right known as the Architects, and they were an ancient civilization who were present long before the dawn of the galactic community, believed to be responsible for a number of large artifacts, an anomalous planetary formations, and species placements throughout the galaxy. What was known about the Celestials came from zeno archaeology. This is a lot um.

The Jedi and the sith alike theorized that the balance between the light and dark sides of the force were actually under the guidance of the Celestials. When did this come into play? Did they talk about this and other the Celestials? Yeah, I mean in legends, yes, yeah, the there and somebody can fix my brain on this if that has come into play in any deep I was trying to think that. I was trying to think too if they had addressed that in New Cannon at all,

and I'm just coming up with like vacant statues. Yeah, yeah, I think the furthest fact that we have right now established in New Annon is the father, the daughter and yes exactly, and those are like the closest to the steels that we have right now. Okay, yeah, but they were not necessarily like the founding. Yeah, they just were ancient manifestations of the Force, so mentioned in the comic Lando Double or nothing too. Um. But it's a very very small country. Quick Cannon check up though. So are

the current comics considered cannon? Yes? Yeah, everything that was published after that buy is considered cannon, along with the dark Horse Darth Maul, son of Dathamir run Um. That was just the one that they were like, now, we don't need to change that one at all. Okay, So what exactly does the Force do or can do? Well? I mean a lot of things. One of the more recent things that has been explored within Star Wars Cannon

is obviously force healing. That's something that we saw both in Rise of Skywalker and also in The Mandalorian, which was really interesting because you know, in I think it was episode two of The Mandalorian, we see Baby Yoda like et hand trying to reach out the Mandalorian when he's injured himself, and in my mind, I went, oh, he's trying to heal him. Of course, because to me it made sense that the force is something that could heal,

even though we hadn't necessarily super addressed that until then. Um. And then obviously we saw it in Rise of Skywalker in the way that it played out, because I saw Rise of Skywalker at a screening on Tuesday before it came out. Uh So obviously in that Ray heals the sort of snake monster, and then you know, sort of equal exchange because she explains that the way she's doing it is by basically transferring some of her life energy.

Because again this goes back to my whole theory about the Force that it's just it's the energy that flows between everything, and so you sort of have this equal exchange at the end when Ben Solo puts all of his life energy into her dead body so that she's able to come back to life and then oops, he dies. But it played out really well because then in the episode of The Mandalorian the air that week we did actually see baby out a force hill. Somebody such as

why he passes out? I know, So is he the only one that had that we've seen that has done that or have in the history of like what we've seen in media, have any of the other passed out

or gotten tired? In the Sorry to jump in more to stuff, the daughter Ashla, who is one of those like very uh forced bound beings um a Soca basically dies Asoka Anakin Skywalker's Paddawan dies in this in this ark, and the daughter gives her life, her life energy, her life force to Asoka so she can live, and the daughter passes on and becomes like a being of the force that is actually a very cute little owl. And then I know, I was going to say another thing

that I know is forced ghosts. Oh yes, yeah, as you want to explain what those are because only some people can do that. Yeah, only like the light side can do that, because if you are on the dark side, like make a deal like live long longer exactly, kind of just keep it. It's kind of like a vampire thing, where like if you become a vampire, you're gonna live forever in theory, unless you're killed, um becoming an angel. But yeah, but then if you die, that's it done.

So so was Han what was he? I took that as lay A projected, and I feel like behind the scenes that was maybe supposed to be a scene between her and then, but with Carrie's passing, I feel like they were like, okay, let's do well to come out of his house for that, but not his hair. No, not. He was like, I'm just going to show up and do this. They took the airing out, and it was kind of weird to me that, like he had no problem like stabbing his dad and then was like, oh wait,

you're right dad. Well, I'm so glad that I have y'all to give me the behind the scenes going back to force ghosts real quick. So the whole theory behind that, since you did really want to know, um, the Lightsiders can do that, but it's knowledge that has to be strongly passed on. Yoda didn't know how to do it, but Quigan did. Because Quigan didn't really believe entirely in the Light Tide have the balance, and he just smoked

a lot of weed. I like to say that here and he uh, he just learned how to be a Force ghost, and so before Yoda passed he taught him, and Yoda taught Obi one and um and sometimes the Force will will someone into projection, which is my theory behind why Anakin is there at the end of Return of the Jedi is that the Force decided he needed to be there, and so that's that's another Force ghost theory was dead. I'm still running over there and suddenly

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force lining, bond, pull bush speed connect Cloak. What's cloak like just like you know, hide themselves like like Harry Potter. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if it means it doesn't mean hiding their forced sign. Yeah it means. Yeah, it's more like okay in Dragon Ball Z when you learn to like hide your power. Yeah, okay, see into the future and scream across the universe for help. Um. But they also can they can also like wave wave their hand and people don't want trick. Yeah. Yeah, it's

gotten out of hand lately. I gotta say, you think it's like an opie, like it's too powerful. Yeah, because it just started out with like lifting rocks and now it's like you can hand each other stuff, you can skype each other, you can make out a little bit, like you can do whatever. It's just like it's like X men, just like pick a trade like yep with Kylo and U Ray. You can like be in that person's they like they dated through. Yeah, they literally dated Like I love it. It was like folks face to

face like water doo done. Wow. I mean that is invasive. Yeah, they're going into each other's memories. It was like, oh, what are you doing here? I'll see you across that room, but different planets. The original dating app just just side now, please don't approach people like that. People don't show up in my room, but dreams. You're in a dream and you look in the corner and your boys like you see, you see my room. So it's not even your room, so you know that it's magic. In dB Z UM,

it's teleport instant transmission instant transmission UM. Okay, so let's talk about forced lightning. So force lightning previously seen only in Sith characters, but force lightning first appeared in nineteen eighty three in Return of the Jedi. I mean it's basically like, bad guys can force lightning, and you're like cool, But then more recently they're like, oh wait no, a lot of people can, like k can do it too, And it's in all these colors. Really know why, They're like,

they're like, yo, this is cool. We shouldn't just let the bad guys have it. Yeah, it looks like it occurred in at least four colors, blue, green, yellow, and red. Why I can't I could not tell you. I don't know, slowly making a collection. There's sabers, there's like crystals involved. The lightning is just like whatever your nail color is, I guess. And then the standard color was bluish purple, as demonstrated by Palpatine. Doku am I saying that right,

Count Dooku snoke and ray, which we also saw. So I guess if you're a dark side forced us are related red to lightning. Um. Okay, So we were talking about healing, so given that one of the maintenance of I almost said Judaism, of Jediism is healing one. But I feel like some of that, Yeah, you have like a savior. Oh no, that's not Judaism. Um, I think I know. I met the first half of the Bible. I met the first half of the Bible, not the

second half. Dame. What's weird about for ceiling is they talk about how when you force heel someone you like insert some of your like. So is some of raise living in this weird cave snake? Yeah, okay, yeah, it just is. She's like connected to it. She like that comes up and do like an aria and be in

the cave snakes body. Well, I almost wonder if you could control them them if you Okay, so she healed Kylo, But I feel like if you have part of your part of you, your nests in them now, I feel like you would be able to kind of control like the snake, I feel she would and Kylo, they're one of another force ability that I totally forgot was actually creature control and not necessarily like troll but connection we

sitizen canan with the wolves and the loft cats. Um, it's about connecting to that creature and like basically it's like approaching a stray cat and and convincing it to be your friend instead of attack you and give you raby. Yeah. Yeah, that's basically what the tower is. Given that one of the main tenance of Jedi Ism is healing, one would would one would believe force healing to be part of the Light Side, but it was the Dark Side who

cracked it first, but not without consequences. The most benign to the user, at least of these side effects was the healing being temporary and requiring renewed applications or constant concentration to remain active, which meship or that that reminds me of like the Skexies in Dark Crystal and how like they consume the essence of Delfling and they become young, but like it only lasts for a little while and they have to keep doing it, or like in start Ust,

how you have to like constant keep getting the hearts of stars. Yeah, well, that's what's so funny is that you know, we're in this like galaxy far far away with all this technology, and all the technologies seem to only be able to put you in droids and leave you in constant. Yeah. Well it's interesting because I think that's sort of you know, the dark side concept behind force healing has more to do with self preservation and

less to do with selflessly giving healing to others. So like in the prequels when Anakin's freaking out about pad May potentially dying and uh, Palpatine kind of wins him over by telling him the tragedy of Darth Pleagus, the

way he could stop people from dying via force heiling. Yeah, there's a really big theory, especially now after the Rise of Skywalker and what we saw Ray Ray and Kyloh provide for each other that um, when Pod was dying in childbirth, Um Palpatine was siphoning her life energy and

put and get into Vader so that he could live. Yeah, so that's it's like something that was running really lightly before that because of the prequels, but like after this, like it is ramped up on communities and like that that could prove like another point of like dark side healing is that you take someone's life energy and put

in the idea yourself for someone else. That's interesting because I've never fully accepted like she's just lost the world to look like that's not That's not who signed up a pillar in. It's not someone who's going to die of sadness. Okay, that's kids, that's ak drama, conceit. People don't die of sadness. Just doesn't happen, not in Star Wars,

not in life. I refuse to accept that. So Sith Lord Darth Scion, who's the Lord of Pain, I wonder if that was like self named Scion could focus on his own pain in agony, using it to fuel the dark Side and recover from grievous wounds almost instantly. Science capability with this technique appeared almost perfect, but over time his injuries accumulated to such a degree that he was in constant agony. So this, however, he welcomed as it fueled his power to accomplish this task. He channeled the

force constantly to literally hold his shattered body together. That's really fascinating. That's like how Darth Maul stayed alive. Yeah, he was literally so angry he couldn't die. Like that was saying. I mean like he sat in a hole and built himself some spider legs and just like pulled trash together to leave. I'm too bitter. Um, okay, So force speed. Force speed allows users to increase their muscle

speed and slow down their perception of the world. The increased speed of the force users enabled them to see the world and entities around them in slow motion, allowing them to dodge attacks easily and quickly attack with great raccuracy. I feel like this could have just been like, this is a passive ability all jeties, could you. We didn't have to add speed. It's like quicksilver. Yeah, exactly a little bit of that in the last Jedi when he's forced projecting to Kilo and he pets on those like

matrix doctors. I mean, this is an ability that you can utilize and I do a lot in Jedi Fallen Order, by the way, yes, one of my faith it's it's that and like the Force Slow where it's like you wait, exactly, I do it all the time. The only way is able to be the Ninth system. Yeah yeah, I mean following order sidebar the whole Like um Guild of the Sith who just hunt Jedies was so cool in their design. Yea.

Does anyone want to talk about when the four Scream happened? Oh? Sure, Well, so basically it's just like if you have the Force and you're in like turmoil or need help, you can basically just like if like a Force user, another Force user will hear you, will hear your scream. So it's like when Luke falls in Empire strikes back and he's like hanging on the end of his and he's like, I'm gonna die and then he's like, that's kind of

what it is. That sounds like a force whisper um. Yeah, that was more of a whisper I feel like a better example is when all Theron blew up and um Obi Wan was just like I heard a million screams or whatever that quote actually is. But yeah, yeah, the other one will be Yoda sensing the death of hundreds

of Jedi are parallel to I just feel like something's up. Yeah, our parallel to that in Rise of Skywalkers when Ray dies and Finn stops and he knows that she's dead like that, and then also in the Last Jedi when Leah and Ray sense Luke then sensitive yes he is, and then there's forced bond which clear Lee, Kylo and Ray have UM for skyping for state. Yeah, who else

would you? I mean obviously different levels of force bonds because we had that immediate or her first example an Empire with Luke and Leah where he connected with her. Again with Kylo and Ray, Finn and Ray having a connection to each other where they can sense each other. So it's definitely like something where if you're close to someone Asoka and Anakin had that. Anakin could feel when Padny was in trouble through the Force um and was not necessarily bonded to her. So it's those It's again,

it's something because the Force connects people. Your strength with that bond, or your strength through your grandfather manipulating that bond so that you could force call a guy um. It's all dependent on that. You got to explain to us. These force Brews, the Night Sisters, the best ones ever. I love them, um so uh. During the Clone War is an all a very very long For a very long time before that, there were um different clans of

basic Basically they were forced witches on dathomere Um. You see this in Clone Wars, you see it in Fallen Order with our beautiful lesbian baby marin Um and the beginnings of it at the beginning within Ewok's battle for end Orm and made so there there they are a coven of witches, are several covens of witches on this planet Um, and they can manipulate the Dark side of the Force without being coming slaves to the Dark side

of the Force. They have like a weird connection with it where they generate this like green mist magic and they can use it to fight people. Um. Some of them can raise it from the dead, and they have this like really deep culture. And all of it went to shambles in the Clone Wars because Venturous left Dooku and Dogu got mad dog throw away Ventress and the Venturess lived, and he got mad about that and he sent General Grievous out and General Grievous and his droids

killed every single Night Sister save for like three. So yeah, but yeah, but no, the Night Sisters are an interesting case because, you know, as you were saying in Katrina, there they are using the dark side of the Force, but they're not necessarily like evil. They just are kind of them. It doesn't mean they do good stuff. They certainly act in their own self interest, but they're not like trying to conquer the galaxy and make everybody live

life the way that they are. They're they're pretty happy just like living their soith, which life they like kind of keep to themselves. I don't think we've never done anything wrong really sort of Okay, they've done some wrong things,

but but for the most part, they didn't deserve that. Um. But yeah, I think it's really interesting because they have like an entire culture and a religion that's built very differently and very much like different types of witches um and the way that they relate to like their beliefs and religions. So it's a different way from the Jedi the Sith to look at the Force. I know we were talking about that there's not necessarily like, my mind goes back to anime power levels. But um, who is

the strongest forcesar? Is that Palpatine? It depends on when I mean, yeah, it depends on when you're asked. I feel like, as of today it has to be him, right, like, yeah, before he got killed, I guess yeah. I wouldn't even put Yoda near the top, like in comparison to what Palpatine was able to do. Yeah, because again, when you're talking people that are aligning themselves with the dark side of the Force, it's that whole thing of only Sith

deal and absolutes. But if you're dealing in absolutes, then well, you have the potential to just be extremely powerful because you have this unbridled approach to well, I'm just going to use it however I want, and I'm not going to fear any of it, or if I am afraid, I'm just gonna embrace that fear and I'm gonna go there. Whereas with the Jedi there's always the well, I can't

do that because that's like a getting star. Like the Sith do not have principles, right, and unfortunately, unprincipled people tend to be or are capable of becoming extremely powerful. Yeah, well we are going to hop more into the force. But first we have another message for y'all, and this one friend your friendly neighborhood Casper. Casper is a sleep brand that makes expertly designed products to help you get

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conditions apply. Yeah, that's Casper dot com forward slash Nerd and we're back. We're still talking about the force. So in the two thousand four documentary Empire of Dreams, don'tyone see that it's on desert now. It's really good. I know what I'm doing. George Lucas said, I wanted it to be a traditional moral story, to have some sort of palpable precepts in it that children could understand. He said that in a New York a New Yorker interview,

there is always a lesson to be learned. Traditionally we get them from church, the family, art, and in the modern world we get them from media, from movies. Yeah, Flash Gordon was a huge influence to him, and also Joseph Campbell's The Hero with a Thousand Faces. He wanted to He wanted to recreate a classic genre. You know. Joseph Campbell looked at the links that connected myths from cultures across the globe, and Campbell Campbell called Lucas his

best student. While writing the original Star Wars, Lucas would frequently call on Campbell to help guide him. It's like, YO, help me out telling about these Menachlorians. I mean, it's super in line. I think with everything too that's happening in Star Wars now. I mean Ash was literally on stage with him when Werner hurtz Ark was like you're creating new mythologies, which is which I mean, that's that's

what Star Wars is like. So much of it is very rooted in in this mythological idea of magical energies and trying to explain why things happen the way that they do. Um and yeah, and I think too again, like George Lucas when he made Star Wars was not reinventing the wheel. He was taking these broad concepts ups and the story tropes that already existed that we'd seen executed quite a lot, and just putting them into a

new setting. And I think that's a lot of why Star Wars was as successful as it was and continues to endure the way that it does. Oh yeah, I believe that a lot of the best artists borrow, you know, and and recreate in their own, you know ways, which is why that you know, you take something and almost challenge it or turn it on its head to kind of create something new. You can say something did a huge like an open mouth thing, say yeah, this is

what women doing. All panels were like talk. I was like, I'm just going to talk an idea. No, No, it's just a habit. Now um No, I was just gonna say, like, it's kind of like when you think about like the Bible, like the first chapter or the first like words are just like let there be light. And he was like, yeah, that's what the forces and then cut to However, many pages later it's the most complicated. You're like, well, what

do they mean by that? Well, I mean that's the fun about it too, is like one thing that I mean, we're on like seventy plus episodes of Nerdificent, and one thing I think me and Danny have learned from a lot of nerd properties that are huge is that it usually starts from a very small, very simple idea, and then the more you kind of add on that foundation, the more it starts getting a little shaky because it comes from this simple idea like oh, we just want

to sell toys, or oh we here's here's a simple story that I want to tell, and they're like, but what if we added fifty more parts to it? And then you're kind of like building on a story that was meant to end, and then you have the added bonus of people contributing to it. I think that's something we see in comics, which you know, I think a lot of people may not know. But like a lot

of comic book cannon is fairly new. It used to be whoever wrote the comic it was whenever they whenever they wanted, And now as we move into the new era, it's like, oh, no, hold on, we all have to have meetings. Well, why can't we keep it straight anymore?

Like yeah, I mean Star Wars is a little bit that way too, because you talk about any of the sort of bonus works that came out prior to the Disney acquisition, a lot of it now is considered to not be canon, and even within the legend stuff like it's it's not consistent across the board, Like there's there's super contradictory information in the different books because again the authors,

by and large, we're creating whatever Star Wars they wanted. Um, And so yeah, it's similar to comic books in that regard. I know, it's very interesting because I know, just I can see why it's so you know, popular, because the universe pleases every real one. The universe pleases the you know, people who spend the money and make the money. Because it's money. You just keep making money, you keep adding

to this. I p the creatives, you get more time to tell your stories, you get more breathing room, you get to collaborate with a lot of people and the fans.

You get more content. So it's that one weird thing where like universe building is something that it rarely uh that that is one of the rare things that pleases everyone, which is why there was such a I think right at the height of the real, real new trilogy of Star Wars and you know Marvel kind of leading towards Infinity War, you had people trying to force universes shout out to um, what was it the the one that

the Mummy was supposed to be a part of. They really try And it's funny because it's like it's kind of like the thing of like even if you're planning a universe, you can't like I'm out, like you can't come out with it, like even like for sure, I'm sure you know Figgy was planning all the Marvel stuff

since Iron Man, but he just made Iron Man. But when you come out where it's like this Mommy is going to be a part of the big thing, you I think, you start to make incomplete things because you're making puzzle pieces, because I mean that's how Star Wars started. I think Star Wars is George Lucas's Flash Gordon fan fiction. It just is UM with a with a new code of paint on it that was really nice and stuck.

And so then they made subsequent films, and I mean he talks in that documentary about how he did have more story that he wanted to tell, but when they made that first Star Wars film, they were not necessarily planning on making anything else. It wasn't exactly UM, and so it it. And like the episode four thing at the beginning is it's almost a joke of like, hey, this is a cereal, like a Flash Gordon cereal, and

that's exactly what it was supposed to be. But because it evolved organically, and you did start out again with that very simple concept that sort of let there be light, and then all of a sudden you're stacking more and more stuff on top of it. Now you have all of these other concepts, all of this fictional history, this mythology and stuff like the force for fans to discuss and theorize about. And that's why these things work, yeah, definitely.

And that's also why you can have something as simple as a description of the reason people can choke push and pull turn into lightning and life saving events. So I think, uh, I think. The last question I think we can ask everyone around the table is what is something you know, maybe a final word word you have about the Force, or something you think everyone should know about the Force, or maybe one of your favorite Force moments. It's a loaded question so much, I think for to

dig into. The first thing about the Force that comes to mind is something that Asoka said uh in Rebels, where she was like, the more I learned about the Force, like she had been a Jedi, she was going towards the middle path. She was like, the more I learned about the Force, the more I know that I am never like she's never going to stop learning, or you don't know anything about the Force no matter how much you know. Um, And that just sounds like a really

good like building point, but it's also very true. By and large, I think that the way Star Wars Rebels deals with the Force is extremely interesting, and it added so many fascinating layers to it. I would be remiss to not mention the one time that's because I did.

I did an episode of four center, Kennap Sock and josephs from Shaw and at the time jehnfer Lando was still on the show with him and she still pops up occasionally where we talked about time travel in Star Wars and how we did not want to see it at all, but then Star Wars Rebels introduced us to the World between Worlds and I went, if you're going to do time travel, that's the way you're gonna do it.

We're effectively, as was able to go into this sort of uh a void in the midst of time and space via the powers of the Force UH and effectively rescues as Katana, who I think is one of the most interesting Force using characters because after she leaves the Jedi Order, she's not like, she doesn't identify as a Jedi anymore, and she's she's like the one character who I feel like was truly trying to find that middle ground I mean, And in Rebels we have a character

that is that middle ground, the Ben Do Uh, who's sort of this big yack monster topic. It's guys, sorry, if you are like Star Wars it was weird, watch Star Wars Rebels. It's really weird. They do it so so well, um and uh and yeah so so to me, that was such an exciting moment of introducing like here's here's like where the It's so in line with my own concept of the force that it is just this energy that that is uh ever renewing. It can never

be destroyed. It is constantly flowing between all beings. It is always renewed. When when somebody dies, they become part of the Force. I mean, you know literally says that. So but yeah, that to me, that episode is just like this, this is everything that I like about the Force. And I could talk about this for three hours. Wow,

I can't go after you. I just I think I like to, like when I'm on something like this is just to like break everything down and as Lehman's terms as I can for people and like for me, it's just like the force is just something that everybody has inside them, and if you can manifest that power, then you can use it in all these awesome ways. And everybody has it, which is why Finn discovering that he

has it. Yea, like everybody has it in them. I stand very strongly by the every that any every being has the force, and any sentient being has the ability to tap into it. We have seen Sabine Mandaloria again in rebels Um. She was training with Kanan, who was a Jedi and one of their their their colleagues, their compatriots.

Harrah comes up and asks because they are training with the dark Saber against the Lightsaber, um if Kanan thinks she has the force, and he says, all she has to do is accepted and it's her, you know, like, could you imagine to do? Is? Oh? Yeah, all I have to do is believe it and then I can just levitate my case to myself. Sign me up. I believe in the Force. I will go to Forest Church every Sunday. We wanted to give special thanks to Fandom and Terry Mattingly who helped with a lot of our

notes in fact checking on the Forces out. I would say my favorite uses anytime someone as the Jedi mind trick. I love it. It It never gets old. It's pretty fun, gets old in every in every movie. I love it. Um, Yes, where can everyone catch y'all? I am all over the internet wherever m A fives are sold at my name, I'm a Fife. I also have a website m A fife dot com, which I put together myself and I'm

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