Episode 83: Orphan Black

talking orphan black. And we are joined this week for All the Way from New York by the community manager of Cereal Box, Rachel Panellis. How you doing. I'm great, I'm happy to be here, happy to have you here. How we're talking before we start recording that it's about to get a little snowy in New York. Yes, we skipped this season. Fall is not happening. We are going. We're straight into winter now. Oh man, that that should

be fun. You know, it'll still be uh probably seventy year eighty around this part, but you know I will so my heart is with you. But yeah, so it was super excited to uh, you know, basically chat about Orphan Black, mostly because there's a new chapter on Cereal Box, right, yes,

there is. It's really exciting. UM takes place eight years after the events of the series finale, which was two years ago now, and so we see where our favorite members of the Clone Club are now and what life is like for them after their adventures in the series, and what it's been like for the next generation of Clones. And that includes UM Sarah Manning's daughter Kira, as well as Charlotte, who was I guess it's a bit of a spoiler, but she was a younger clone from Project

Leta who was cloned from Rachel Duncan. H. So, yeah, well, well that's super exciting. And uh, for people who don't know what is Cereal Box, that is a wonderful question and I am very happy to answer it for you. So, um yeah, So Cereal Box we are a premium entertainment platform. We do audio and h E books UM, and we deliver ongoing stories for uh, you know, audiences in easily easily degustable installments. UM. And the name itself is is

a pun, you know. So we do serialized fiction originals as well as franchises like or from Black m yes, uh yeah notes and we're available um uh in the app store for iOS devices and uh Android as well as our website. Oh that is super dope, So yeah, check that out. Yeah, I heard about it because I worked with Margaret Dunlap on a interactive show that it should be coming out soon this month, so I can kind of, you know a little bit talk about. Yeah,

was heard school dropout. But she worked on a Cereal Box show with Max. Uh why why am I Gladstone? Yes, Max Gladstone? Why did I forget his name all of a sudden? But yeah, so I was working with them and they were telling me about Cereal Box, and I just I just love the concept. So yeah, that's definitely worth checking out if you don't already. Sub Yeah, it's

you know, really exciting. We take what's, you know, the best of traditional publishing and we innovate because what we have is the model of a television writer's room and so that way we have the episode of content delivered to you regularly on that weekly basis, and so you can follow along. And then there's also the option to you knowing yeah, I know, binge or one by one theo.

You know, it's that's the number one decision people have to do now, which is very challenging with or from black because, as you know, it's known for its cliffhangers. Yeah yeah, what are we geeking out about? This week? We will start with Rachel, what are you geeking out about? This week? So? I know the last episode of your podcast was completely devoted to Watchman, But it can't be said enough how excited excited I am about the new

HBO series and just HBO Sundays in general. Really loving Watchman as well as the return and final season of Silicon Valley. Yeah. Oh it's been great. Yeah, ever since that episode, I started, uh like right after that episode, enemy of the Pod, Cody Ziggler, I contacted him for his HBO Go passwords and now and now I'm locked in. We did a trade because I got I've paid for showtime, so it's like I'll give you showtime if you give

me HBO, so you know new age trades. Yeah. So, and I've been so locked in and then I started checking out this Mrs Fletcher's show, and then I need a coast check out. Uh succession, succession. Oh yeah, everyone's

saying it's great. I so, but I'm up to date on Watchman, and I always forgot how fun it is to be up to date on TV where you can just have the like speculation and conversation, but also the drama of like, I don't want this spoiled because you saw Hector tweeted something about Watchman, And that's how how much I know I like Hector is that I saw him mentioning in it, and I was like, I'm a finish reading this tweet because I know Hector wouldn't just flat out post a spoiler. And it was a good

point there you go, Yeah, what about you, Danny. I'm geeking out about the new Terminator film, which not enough people saw, which stinks because it's really great, Like a lot of people actually that did see it loved it. And I saw someone tweet and it was like, this Terminator um sequel is something that everyone's gonna love when they eventually see it and realize that they should have saw it in theater so that it would have gotten the love that it deserved. But I really really cannot

say enough good things about Gabriel Luna. I love him so much. Um, I love having a Mexican Terminator. It means so much to me and so many other people. Um. And we also had Natalia Reyes, who played Danny, also seeing a pop up of a lot of Danny's popping up scripts. Um. I don't know. It might be people that follow me and they're like, this feels like a Danny. Um. I do know one. I do know one show that's coming out where the act was named after me. The

others I'm just projecting. But we also had Lynda Linda Hamilton's you know, I have a big thing right now that I'm pushing for. I feel like we had the Year of the Daddy and everyone was like Jeff Goldbloom and Steve Carrell and they're so hot, and like, I feel like women of the same age don't get the same love, and so I think it's great to see her just you know, with her ripped guns and just like silver haired, and you know, I hope we also got to see that with Jamie Lee Curtis and this

year with Halloween. I guess that was last year last year. Yeah, and so that to me means a lot, like I just Um. I also saw Keanu Reeves new Bow, who is age appropriate, which everyone was so excited about, which is also sad that anytime someone a man that's in his fifties date someone that's actually age appropriate for him, we get all excited. But anyways, I just feel like women, you know, there's a lot of ages m in the industry,

and they definitely don't get the same love. So I loved the fact I love seeing her in this role, and I hope that we get more more iconic, you know, women that instead of being pushed out, are are you know, elevated and starring in these huge franchises. Definitely, I'm going to go check it out tomorrow. But you know, everyone knows I'm a fan of zombies all the time, so uh, you know, that's you know, glad people are starting to get on the train. Danny's really champion, and really that's

who I did it for, was for her. But what I'm thinking out about this week is last week, um, last weekend at this point, I was at a Complex Con and it was so much fun. Complex Con, if you don't know, it's by the kind of media brand Complex that does First Week Feast and just a lot of like hip hop streetwear and all that good stuff.

So they had like a lot of custom drops and Sneaker Room dropped three colorways of the Kyrie Five's dedicated to one of the owner's mom, and I'm able to remember the exact amount of shoes that were dropped in each colorway because they had significance. So I got the white colorway, which only five hundred and twenty five pairs were made, which was to commemorate the day she died,

which was May. And then the black pair, only one hundred and twenty six were made to commemorate that she had one son and he was twenty six when she died, and sixty three pairs of the black one were made for her age at which she died, which was sixty three. And um, but it was a wild drop. The black sixty three pair of shoes were one thousand dollars retail, uh so, and that caused a whole I mean, I can't you know, this maybe be worth a whole episode, but I can't really go into the full on um

kind of economy of it all. But the that kind of I think screwed up the resale across the board, because if you have one thousand dollar shoe, you're gonna want it to go for two k or more. Uh and you know, the more expensive, the more kind of exclusive color way is going to affect the price point of everyone's resale. And what happened was a lot of folks went and spent a thousand dollars on the shoe,

but didn't have a thousand dollars. So before the weekend ended, when they weren't able to sell it right away, they started taking a lower hit, which means that the other ones were taking lower hits. What I'm trying to say is I bought the shoes to flip them in. I can't uh and I'm very mad about it. But I also got a pair of ice creams which were if you don't know, We're Rebok released by Farrell when he was trying to have a skate company that had like

a very significant design. Uh I spent a lot of money. Basically, I saw Takashi Palm, I saw Offset trouncing around. Uh I wanted to ask him where's CARDI B I don't want to see you, I want to see your wife. But it was a super fun But it was a great celebration of like Street where the culture surrounding it, and I had a great time, and I can't wait to check out the next one. But that's what I'm

geeking out about. I'm geeked out and that's and I kind of had a realization this weekend about that, just like going to that con and really realizing just how

like nerdy I am about like streetwear. And then I was like in the gym today lifting with one of my boys, and like I was like, oh, nerd Nerdiness is more of an attitude than like than like a specific brand, because I truly am, Like I was like, Damn, I'm such a dork about like lifting, Like I'm always like I'm down to like the body science, and I'm really I try not to do it as much, but I will. I'm actually usually it's other uh meat heads, so that's fine. I'll I'm actually a meat head every day.

But i'd ever want to assume that's someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. Lots of times they don't. But yeah, so that's real fun. We we can go, you can geek out. I mean, it's a science, and like there's so many things that we're gonna like tackle in our podcast too. And I feel like, you know, sometimes people ding, we see the comment sometimes people ding sometimes people ding us because they're like, I don't like

this subject. Um, you know, they want us to go back to Marvel in d C. Okay, there's a lot of other things, Like the podcast isn't for one person or one fan or just comic book fans. There are podcasts that do that. You can go listen to those, like we decided a long time ago that we wanted to explore everything in this realm and things that we

don't know. We know marvel in d C really well, I want to talk to like um, lou Say comes on and just geeks out about horror in a way that I don't you know, I'm a horror fan, but she is like in depth in the community. Like that to me is so fascinating. You know, there's a lot of different things that we want to touch on. So if the subject isn't for you, you can learn about it in the same way that we are um or

just skip it. We're dropping these year round, so you can pick and choose which wants to hop on and you don't even have to let us know when you do it. You don't have to write this the subject. You know, you can go back and listen to the flash again. But um, we love comic books, you know, we loved superhero films, but there's so much more to

nerdiness than just those. So yeah, I love that concept of your realization because nerdiness is just really knowing what you like and cultivating that interest and celebrating and sharing it with people. Oh yeah, definitely. I mean we've had you know, real deal scientists saying that we need to do science on here. Uh friend and uh friend borderline, she's soon to be an enemy of the pot Palavi Gunlin. Uh She's she's like a PhD uh, you know, hopeful

scientists and wants to come on and talk science. And I said, we don't do that, we don't do science. Well she did a poll and people voted, that's a real science, and I was like, yeah, but now now I'm doing now, but I'm in my Petti mode. Now is the National Band science in it? Rachel? Did you want to kind of um, for people that have never seen this franchise? Would you like to explain it to them? How do you explain a show that explores identity in

all of its assets and the human experience? Ah? Well, so if you know, if I can geek out for a secondly that the first episode of the series, which is pretty um easily available, the BBC America say has it available, and then it's also the series is streaming on Prime right now. But the first episode is really what It starts with a bang. You meet this woman Sarah Manning uh, and she is on a train platform and sees what appears to be her doubel ganger, her

her double uh and it's confusing, it's drying. And then even more so, the woman UM jumps in front of a train to her death. And then Sarah, who's on the run because she's uh, she con frons in trouble sometimes with a law. UM assumes this woman's identity, who happens to be a detective cop child and in doing so unraveled the mystery of of who she is uh and we find out that she is a clone. And by the end of the episode we meet her sister Sestra's um. Who are do other woman Alison Hendrix and

Dr Kissima Newhouse? Who are they look like her? They? Uh, it's not a little different, but you know you and the whole series and it seeks to answer the question, you know, who are they? And it's fascinating and it's it's just really great sci fi and thriller and it really um focuses on these women and their experiences and

their journeys. Yeah, and we should tell people who haven't seen it that it is all of these women are played by Tatiana Yeah, money, you forget because it's so extraordinary and even in because they're they're so individual, Um, these characters who they are that it's the show is extraordinary and her performance is extraordinary because it's at a certain point you don't even remember anymore that it's one person and not ten. Yeah. I even felt that I

watched UM in a much smaller level. I watched UM Living with Yourself with Paul Rudd, and it was just so I'm really glad that he took that role because I think a lot of times like him just being an aunt man and these huge things. I think, like I'm like, why did he take this Netflix show? And

he's like, you know, starring in Marvel films. But I think it's also I mean, aside from getting paid a bunch, but like I think it's also to show Oh wait no, I'm actually also like a serious actor and I can play someone dealing with suicidal depression and in the same flip side, literally in the same room, I'm talking to myself as this, you know, this best version of me. And it's just so I mean, I give props to anyone that does this that can play like multiple characters.

She's literally playing like different different characters. Uh, but I guess looking back, so I'm just looking over how the show came to be, and it looks like originally, Um, Canadian actress Ellen Page. Always forget that she's from Canada, that she was originally considered for the role. Uh, that would have been fascinating. I feel like she could also possibly pull it off. So so the role went to Tatiana,

and um, she was a fan favorite. I think this really launched She's been in a lot of things, but I think this was what like launched her. Oh definitely,

Like this was a vehicle for her. And if you think, but like you know, it's it's like when you see someone and see like have a show like I think this kind of show as an actor's dream, where like you can show how versatile you could be and also in one show show all the different types of characters you can play like this show it it prevents her from being type cast because you're because you're like, look

at all these different, you know, people and versions. I remember I was watching uh like it in like my roommate at the time was deep in the show. So it was a later season and I was watching a scene and I was like, Oh, who's that actress and they're like, that's the same actress. Like it really it really does, like it's not just a saying, like it really does feel like it's different people. All right, we're gonna get into the creation of the show and all

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in June twelve of two thousand twelve, they commissioned. Bell Media commissioned a ten episode season of Orphan Black that would be produced by Temple Street Productions. Then they distributed internationally with BBC Worldwide. The show was executive produced by writer Graham Manson and director John Fawsett, and the Temple Street co presidents Ivan Schneeberg and David fort Fortier. Co executive producers are Karen Walton and Carry apple Yard, while

the Temple Street producers are Claire Wellen and Karen Tibetski. Yeah, and like Rachel was saying, in March, the BBC uh signed a deal where Amazon would have the exclusive streaming rights to the series. So you you have Prime, you can binge it. Yeah, yeah, you know, as a matter of fact, you can. Anybody who's telling you they're about to go watch and say, listen to this episode first. Um. Yeah, So Rachel, what are some of the um, what should people know about the series? I know you kind of

broke down the first parts of it. Uh, but what are some like common themes that happen in Orphan Black. So a lot of the common themes that are emerging in the next chapter are very much like the themes that were a part of the original television series. Uh. Themes of identity, themes of nature versus nurture, themes of scientific ethics. Um. Yeah. And what's really fascinating about the Orford Black the television series at the time was that the you know, the technology was I think what made

the idea of the Clones so scary. Wasn't just that, you know, confronting the idea how can you not be yourself? But you know, are we that far off from so technology? Um? Yes? But also there you know it, Um, they really did their research on the show was super super grounded in some really interesting science, and that has been accelerated in

the next chapter. That um there, you know, not to give away too much, but you know, the fear one of the fears that the Clone clubs, the core group of the four women of Sarah, Alison, Cassima, and Helena. But they were really fighting. One of the things that they were fighting against was UM. The their bodies and their their genomes being used UM as kind of like

like Petrie dishes, not te dishes. But you know UM that you know, their biology was gonna be UM used for purposes that you know they didn't consent to to, you know, for scientific experimentation UM. And so yeah, not to give away too much of what happens in the next chapter, but there's UH that is built upon UM that you know, what else could you do with such technology? Could it be weaponized? What would that look like? How UM is our privacy violated? UM with such information? UM?

And those were things that were explored UH in the television series, and that is very baked into the plot and the struggles of the characters in the next chapter. Now, yeah, so just touching real quick back on the television series. I know that we kind of praised Tatiana for UM playing all these different parts. Just a little bit behind the scenes, the production films the scene multiple times with a dolly mounted motion control camera that replicates the movement

between each shot. So this is really fascinating, especially for film people. Because this apparatus, it's known as a techno. Dolly is referred to as the time vampire on the Orphan Black set due to the amount of time multiple clone seeds take from the production schedule. And that makes so much sense. Like when we're watching this, it's like, how many times does she have to do this scene playing both of the plane all of these roles. Um, that to me is just so a little bit behind

the scenes. Uh. And then they use tennis balls, which is actually really common um for alternate shots and eyelines and and things like that. I always find that so fascinating when someone's delivering y'all don't even know, Like someone will be delivering a heartfelt, tearful thing and they're just looking at a tennis ball against the green screen, against the screen. There was also uh an acting double of course. Yeah. Yeah,

she had body doubles. Yeah, so many wigs. It looks like there was a dance party scene in season two and that had four different clones. It was two days of shooting, several editions. Several additional body doubles were used to create the effect. Um. So yeah, they do have a lot of body doubles and like the back of their head or something will be someone else. But it's it's seamless, you know, of course watch you hear it,

and uh, it's it's they're they're different characters, they're different people. Yeah, and so the double who was in it was Katherine Alexandra and they said that the performances were central to her ability to create the characters. Um um muss Lani said, uh that she was so amazing and that she memorizes all the lines, all of her blocking and all of her blocking, her mannerisms, her impulses, and she somehow memorizes all of that and gives it back to her. Uh. Well,

the quote is, she's so amazing. She memorizes all the lines, all of my blocking, all of her blocking, my mannerisms, my impulses, She somehow memorizes all of that and gives it back to me. With the performance I can play off of which we were saying, and yeah, that that probably helps, you know, having someone who's like doing the same thing to kind of match it, because I mean, you know, Danny and I can attest to uh doing

auditions where you're just acting like this. This is kind of one of the reasons I hate self tapes with a burning passion because you're in a room by yourself with a friend who doesn't want to be there, who is either giving you not enough or giving you too much. It's never I had one person was like, are you trying to book this? I do them with Mark who's been on here Mark Ellis. He has a booming radio voice and he like steps away from the camera. I'm like, yeah,

stop trying to like book this role. Um. But Alexander actually said um that that she got the spot because when she auditioned, they wanted an actor as opposed to just a double. Yeah. That's actually really cool. Yeah that's that's that's great. And Muslani said that she created different musical playlists to help her distinguish between the men clone personality she portrays. That is so cool because it does make sense, like how do you so effortlessly get into

this character? Well, you, I mean the character thinks differently, They're going to move differently, they're going to speak differently, like everyone has different speech rhythms. So she you know, listens to different music to try to get her in the zone. Yea, and some of what she's shared in interviews about her process coming back to these characters and uh, inhabiting them vocally again, that's that's been a part of it as well. I'd really like to see them. I know.

There's there's just so much dope stuff that went into making this show that it's it's a no brain or why it just kind of what's so great? I feel like even though it's such a pain and like everything it sounds like seems like a logistical nightmare, but in the end, I think it produced something so unique and fun and why it kind of took off the way

it did. But I think for you know, the listeners who are binging or are people who you know love just to check out the episodes, what are you know, what are some episodes that you would recommend checking out for? So obviously the first season, you know, that first episode, I think just um, outside of my speaking over the entire series, just from um like television creation standpoint, I think it's maybe one of the best pilots first episodes of a series ever, at least in like the last decade. Um,

you know, it's up there. For me, my list includes Madman and Yeah, so like that that first episode is just it's it's a gut punch. Um. There was a lot of really um amazing things that happened. UM at the end of season two with Helena. Season two episodes it's called to Hound Nature in her Wanderings. Some people may remember that is the episode where Helena meets Jesse, who people may recognize from suits he was her boyfriend. UM.

And then later episodes. I really also love an episode that happens in the following season, uh where Helena and Sarah are on some kind of like deranged road trip in Mexico escaping a secret government base where we find there are more clone experiments taking place, and so it's an interesting bonding experience for those sisters. And then UM the episode with Felix's art show. That's a classic. Yes.

And speaking of the pilot, for everyone, anyone that just wants to read it, or if you are um a writer that wants to read more pilots, you can get access to the Orphan Black Piet. I just looked it up. It's on TV calling, it's TV dash Calling dot com, or you can just google Orphan Black Pilot, UH and look it up if you want to read it. It's

always my favorite thing to do as a writer. If something is really great, look it up and read it and see how how they wrote it, how it was shot, how you know they transition these characters, their character descriptions, all of that is all in there, so you can

check it out. It's so dope. Uh So we are going to take another quick break and then we're going to hop into the future of Orphan Black and why it's resonated with so many people and kept going on, you know now that we have a new series with it, and we'll check in after the break and we are back. So, Rachel, why do you think that this has resonated with so many people enough to get this, you know, this next series, and also that we're still talking en about it today.

I think because the show itself was just so unique, um and exciting and unlikes that was at the time before or has been. And then of course the um just enduring amazing technical and emotional and inspiring performance that Tatiana gave to all these such different, interesting, multi faceted characters. UM. And you know, like we discussed before, the themes of identity and nature versus nurture UM that is so much

a part of great storytelling. The show has had it all and so this next chapter is set eight years in the future from where season five left off. It will have the same characters. They're all voiced by Muslani. Yes, uh, and not just Tatiana doesn't just revisit her clone characters.

She's uh narrating the series as well as giving voice to other characters that weren't played by Tatiana Maslani that we know from the original series, including Um Delphine and Art Bell and the younger clones too, oh, as well as UM Sarah Manning's brother feelings. It's really interesting to hear um how that gets inhabited. But also, you know, much like watching the show, you listen to the series and it's it's pretty incredible that you can't believe that

it's the same, right, that's so cool. I can't wait to I can't wait to listen to it. Yeah, it's really cool. It's been really exciting to um share it with people because the first responses, oh my gosh from Luck, I love that show. It's so cool. Uh that I thought that it's back. That's great. And then when they find out that the narrator is Tatiana herself. That's just

it's even more Yeah, that's yeah. I mean there's some spoilers where we find out eight years later the um fate of certain popular pairings of characters, seeing where who they've ended up with, who they're still with, who they're not with. Um, so the romantic pairings have been um interesting to uh see what's happening there and then as well as you know, um this woman, it's you know, eight years later, they're eight years uh into their lives and trying to um live quiet private ones. But uh

that is not for long, Sue. I like that cliffhanger of a little tease bit. Yeah, so can you tell the easiest way for our audience to be able to listen to this? So the easiest way for audiences to listen to it is at cereal box dot com or um the Cereal Box app, which is available in the App Store or on Google Play. The first episode of or from Box the next chapter is free, as well

as all of Cereal Boxes series eight. The first episode is free to try um and you can listen to it and here Tatiana given incredible performance as well as read the text, which is written in incredible prose by Um some really awesome award winning sci fi authors, including malcol Older, Madeline Ashby, Michelle Baker, Higley Kennedy, and e Myers. Yeah, that's so cool that there was like a whole writing team for this series. Yeah, us and hello, as well

as Lindley Smith and Helly Kennedy. Actually Um wrote the Orphan Black comic books. That's so dope. I didn't even know there was a comic book. There was. There was, Yes, I don't remember exactly how many issues it was, but it ran I think like the year that the final season was going and a little while after that, and uh, yeah, Hiley Kennedy, who's part of the writing team for the next chapter, UM wrote some of those if he also

our friend Jodi Houser. Yes, she was a co writer. Yeah. Yeah, she's doing so much it's like kind of trying to keep up with her. And I didn't even know that she wrote a d from Black, but it looks like it was out by I d W we had in

our episode. That's so cool, Um, And it's something that I would actually, as a fan of the show, would like to revisit because Um, I haven't read the comics, but I know that there was a significant storyline that the comics explored that was in the original series of um, the character of m K and the incident in Helsinki she comes from. Yeah. No, these these look cool and the covers are super dope too. You remember you're saying you had the blog post of the nine essential episodes

to see but before the series. Yeah, yeah, so it's interesting. I can, of course thank you guys. But when you shared with me what you thought were some of your favorites, I saw that we had a bit of we had some crossover, so that was nice to see, you know, of course, including the Felix Art Show episode, which is just a really I think if you've never seen the show all the way through and you watch one episode

that is really emblematic of all the characters. Um. I mean, of course it is two episodes before it's finale, but it's each character gets a really incredible moment, and so I think very fondly back on it. You know, I gotta thank you for coming on and chatting with us. Uh. You know, besides the Serial Box Show, is there anything you want to plug or where people can find you? Oh? I mean, I just want to plug the next Chapter and and Sera Box. You know, we also have a

Thor series starting UM in December. Um. Uh, stay tuned because there's gonna be some really exciting news. We are going to be sharing the narrative of the series. Wondering ask, well, I saw y'all have a deal with Marvel, so we can expect more Marvel series on your slate? Yes, okay, absolutely, yes, So Thor will be the first, and that UM launches twelve twelve, the Separate twelve and then we have a Black Widow, Black Panther, and Jessica Jones series in the works. Yeah,

and so you can expect those uh after the new year. Yeah, definitely. Rachel, thank you for coming on and talking about or Black. Thank you, Thank you guys for having me. I'm excited to share more Lenks and uh nerd out. Yeah. Is there anything you need to plug? Yeah? Everyone? So, uh, this Thursday the four, This Thursday November is when my Fathom event for the Twilight So also, if you just love the Twilight Zone, or if you've listened to me geek out about it so much, you're like, what, Okay,

why does she love it so much? Fathom is playing several Twilight Zone episodes on the big screen you can look in theaters in your area. Um so, but they're doing it for one night only. It's to honor the sixtieth anniversary of the Twilight Zone. Also a tribute to Rod Serling that I am in. A couple of other people are in. I'm guessing maybe Jordan's Peel is probably going to show up in it. I think he was

in our documentary. Um So, they took a part of our documentary and are going to show it before enduring the episodes of the Twilight Zone. Yeah, the full documentary. I'm not sure when it comes out, but I will definitely tell y'all. But if you're a big t Z head, like go out and see it like it's you know, the only time we can actually see it on a big screen within a room surrounded by other Twilight Zone fans. Are so cool. Yeah, I've never been to one, but

I also I've been to them. I'm a big theater nerd, you know, because we all have things that we nerd out about and they all do um with like the National Theater in uh in England. Um So, when benedictomber Batch was doing the Frankenstein play and alb is one, you know, so you can see them in the theater without you know, going to London. Yeah, so they typically do it for like one night only or something like you know, they did like a Guns and Roses or

something like. They do. Yeah, these big live events or these big events that you can catch in theaters. So that is my thing. And if you check it out, I don't know, tweet me and let me know. Yeah, yeah for sure and yeah me, I don't have anything coming up, but as always, you can check on Twitter and Instagram. If you want to hang in the discord, it's discord dot g g Ford slash Salt Squad. We

have a lot of nerd famine. They're hanging out multiple a lot of nerd dumps coming together on there, and of course my stream if D s on Twitch I f d e easy. If you're an Amazon Prime member, you get a Twitch Prime sub that you can give to me for free, but you have to come back every month and give it because it isn't automatic. You know, the usual spiel. But beyond that, stay clony and just kidding, stay nerning.