Episode 80: Child's Play

so excited. I got her purple outfit, I got a glitter microphone. I'm doing it soon. You're gonna They're gonna be at the age where you're gonna go boom Selena. They're like, go, man, You're never I'm kidding. I've repped for all Latina's but Selena the O g Selena. Um, but with us today. Someone that loves Halloween also so excited. She is a writer for Thundercat's Roar. She's also a writer and performed at uc B. It is Joan Ford.

Thanks for having me, of course. Wow do you think I feel like even Selena Gomez might be a little like how older you're right? Three? Are they going to know who's amez? Is? They know mo Wanna? That's about it. That's Jojo seems to be like the new budding pop star of the like past, whatever is after Zoomers, that's us. Yeah, I forgot that name. Yeah, they switched it too and so, but now there's Zumors because humors are are like fighting

with boomers, right, we needed that rhyme, so zoomer. I thought you were going to say they switched it to Zoomers because of Jabuki and he. Anytime I think of Generation Z, I think of him. He's like the generation right below us. Yeah, he represents he's their spokesperson. He's going to be where we are on the millennial spectrum in a few years because we're old millennials, like you know, no, we're younger millennial because millennials go you and I or

we're mid millennials. I'm old millennial. I'm like, I'm like at that time, I'm like like kind of on the cost of Gen X and ben millennial. I won't say we're on the cusps to never ever deals too much but the cost somewhere on the cousp oh Man. Well, you know we always start our pod talking about what we're geeking out about this week. Uh, you know about Oh my gosh. Well it kind of hinted at it a week before, but now you can officially watch it.

It's the Casta Grandes. It is on Nickelodeon. Um, please go check it out. I just want as many eyeballs on this show because it really helps us continue to tell them that, you know, we are an audience. We are watching a lot of Latin X stories. Also says Monos, which I talked about. I can't remember if I talked about on this podcast, but I definitely tweeted about it. Uh. It is an original anime by Viz and it is Mexican, so it follows three orphans in nineteen seventies Mexico. Danny

Trejo is in it, our friend Johnny Cruise is in it. Also, my culture is in it. It's really cool. It's super brutal. If you're looking for a new horror anime, it definitely has a lot of horror supernatural elements to it, so check it out. Both of those things rapper stories. I think today even though this is a week in advance, but today was the last day of Hispanic Heritage Month, so how to rep how to rep? Yeah, And for me, it's a new game by five or five Games called Indivisible,

which is a it's like a cool new take. It's like a part platform or part RPG. It's very fun to play. Appellated on stream earlier this week. But yeah, the it uses like gorgeous two D graphics mixed with like, um like three D graphics, and the like lead character it seems like she's some type of South Asian. She definitely sounds like she has an Indian accent. The names sound very like Indian. So that's real cool, very diverse right off the start, uh, and all these cool characters,

you know. And I'm only at the tip of the iceberg of the game. But it's super fun Indivisible. It's out now fairly cheap too, so check that out. Um. Okay, guess for me kind of like easing into like the Halloween spirit. I just finished a novel I really loved called My Best Friends Exorcism Um. It was written by Grady Hendricks, who, like I think, a couple of years prior, had a big hit with a book called Um Horror Store. It was like a horror story. It's like a haunted

house and an ikea that was very fun. But this is a it's the story of like, uh, two high school girls in like late eighties North Carolina who are like really tight and then one of them gets possessed by the devil and um, it's it's it sounds very like kind of like hokey and b great horror going into it, but it's like it ends in this very like it becomes and and ends as this very like surprisingly moving and trip you to like the strength of female friendship and how that is kind of what you know,

that's the thing that kind of is able to well, I don't want to spoil it, but like it's kind of lesser. It's an extortent story that's really about relying less on like the power of religion in Christ and more on like the personal bond these two girls have. It's like surprisingly moving and like I and all at the same time being like a very like gross like a fun gross out horror story. So recommend that if you want to get some like fun light Halloween reading.

And I highly recommend my best friend's Exorcism and so cool in the Horror Store sounds really funny. Yeah, it's really clever author. It's a he's a I like him a lot. Um and I think I think Horror Store got like bought it to be. It's was supposed to be a movie. But that's so funny. I think it's Yeah, that's that's a movie. I want to see horror movie. And an Ike Yeah yeah yeah, Um, well we are talking about something a other horror related yeah, and also

semi retail related. Yeah, very retail. Yeah, it's like Mattel yeah. Uh. And that is Child's Play, Jonah. I just wanted to know, like you are. We were asking people like what is their horror thing, you know, out of our friends, and you immediately said Child's Play? What like gravitated you towards it? Well, I say my, like, uh like my my, the story of my love affair with the Child's Play franchise or I guess the Chucky franchise, because they kind of like

split into two different things. Um, it's kind of like in two parts, like one is just like it was something I watched a lot as a kid. You know, it was a horror franchise. It was just like on all the time when I was a kid, and I just really enjoyed them um as like good fun, like scary experiences. I think Chucky is maybe like the best of like the eighties Slashers. I think he like holds up the best um out of like that whole crew

of like Freddie and Jason and Pinhead Um. I would I would say, I say, I'd say that, Yes, I'm gonna I'm gonna make that bold of acclaim Chucky chucking my face, Chucky guy stand Chucky, Like I feel like we need to have people repping each We'll have to do that for a episode. So funny because since I've been doing like the thirsty horror tweets, I've been researching a lot of horror film films, and like the joke I did today is kind of a deep cut that

I think no one's gonna get. But the joke of it is the kind of like bad writing of this.

And it's Um from hell Raiser and it's the female sena Byte whose name is female and just the female that's the name, and so like the joke of it is like she's like, you don't even know my name, And it was like I thought your name was female Seno Bite and there's and I was in the wiki and they're like for the female Sena Byte in um hell Raiser something like oh the revel of Revelation or something, click this and I clicked this, and it's another female Sena Bte whose name is just female and so so

there's two characters and that's like that's the name. Meanwhile, you have like the chatter like a chatter butter ball. Everyone has a name except for this female Cena. It's very weird c D the center bite with CDs in his head. Yeah yeah, um yeah. They all have very distinct like cool personalities and the female just the female. Um.

But um. But then I'd say, like I recently gravitated back towards like The Child's Play a franchise because um, and this is something I didn't know growing up, but like, uh, the Child's Play was the original The first script was written by a mandate on Don Mancini, who like who since pretty much like the first movie came out in the eighties, he's been like an out like gay man um.

And I'd say, as the franchise has progressed, like he's he's been like like injecting more and more like queer characters and queer themes into the films um some like you know, and sometimes I will admit in like kind of like messy, not the most like you know, the messy kind of the best way he could at the time.

But I still think it's fascinating to like kind of creators stay with a franchise that long because he's been with all of them except this most recently Boot, and like allowing himself to kind of like inject more and more of like you know, his queer identity and just like overall the things things that matter to him, like into the franchise where and like you know, the like the franchise has even become like pret like trans inclusive or at least attempting to like like through the guys

of like you know this like or through the filter of this like Killer Doll like talk about things like gender fluidity and um, you know, being true to ourselves. Are are like ourselves and like what bodies do we belong in? Um? Like I said, it can be messy and and you know not that maybe the best discussion of it in cinema, but I still love that it's there, and I still love that. It's it's something that's like I feel like it's almost like as I have kind

of come into my own core identity. It's a franchise that I love has also done that. That's something I had to are. Do you see that Child's Play is your favorite out of all of them the nineteen eight film, Yes, I would say definitely. I think there might be like there's like a few front like you know, there are a few Nightmaring on Elm Streets. I really love, like

Nightmaring Realm Street three I think is really fantastic. UM. But and like I have a weird like soft spot for the Hell Raising Movies two just because they're so bizarre. But like, I think Child's Play UM is just in all respects kind of like just holds up best as a franchise. I think it's like just from a story's telling telling standpoint, it's like evolved and kind of like change and that's always kept it interesting. Um. Chucky has

remained I think, like a fun interesting character. Like I think, you know, he kind of went through the same evolution that like Freddie did, going from like just villain to

kind of like the comedic centerpiece of these films. But like I feel like Chucky like survive that uh that evolution a little better and that he can like you know he I think he straddles the line better between being like scared, between being scary and funny, where it's like Freddie just kind of became a like you know, like a late I talked to your home like happens to kill his guests. Um so yeah, so and and you know, I still go back and I like watching

that first Child to play like I was. I tried to rewatch many of them, and I could go building up to this because you know it's Halloween, and I was like, this is gonna be my Halloween rewatch for the year, and like the first one is like legit still like legit scary, like it's it. I you know, I feel like part of it is just because like Chucky, like Chuck, he's like a like just like jump scare in like personified, like because like pops out of places.

And even when he's on screen, he's not doing anything like you're just like I know you're gonna do something, you know, You're like I know, yeah, so so uh yeah, I'd say it's still it's my favorite of of all of them. Yeah, So just hopping into Child's Play. It was released November nine and it was directed by Tom Holland, and I was so funny. I thought I shared my name with someone, but that to me is hilarious. For those keeping count, that is nine months this world you

don't even care about me. Also being in that year, I I did the Math for my birthday and I was going to do yours next. Along with the film gaining a cult following immediately, that's pretty cool. Um, the box office success, bond of media franchise that include a series of six sequels, merchandise, comic books. Uh, and then of course the remake in twenty nineteen. So for people

that haven't seen it, can you just go over? Kind of like the the big points of the film, the Child's Play one, Um, there is we open on it's a dark and stormy night over the Chicago river front, um, like you know, and there's a big abandoned ware high house where well we open on a shootout. Um. Charles Charles Lee Ray, the Lake Shore Strangler, UH, is running from the cops, he gets shot, he goes in this where oh this toy star because you know, I'm pretty

sure that the Chicago riverfront is full of toy stars. Um. Uh puts his soul into the body of a good guy doll, which is pretty much a pair like, Oh yeah, it's a parody of Uh. I don't know if you remember my Buddy dolls, but yeah, it's a pretty direct parody of like the my Buddy doll, which was like a big thing in the eighties. Um, you had my buddies and then if you were a girl, you got like a kid sister. But anyways, Um, he puts his body into the soul of this doll through the vood.

Through voodoo, the doll gets gifted this small boy, uh, this little boy Andy for his eighth birthday. Um. And Chucky starts killing people. Uh. In the in the body of the dollar he Charles Lee Ray uh said tells Andy that his name is Chucky. Um. He starts killing people. Uh. Andy cannot convince anyone that his dolls alive except his mom. His mom like starts to believe him, um, but the cop on the case played by Chris Randon doesn't until

Chuckie tries to kill him too. Basically, it's like a raise against time because the at least at this point in the franchise, is the way the way voodoo rule his work is that uh if so you pass your body into something and then the first person you like tell like, hey, like I am actually this guy like I with the first person that he would say like, hey, my name is Charles Lee Ray too. That's the only human body he could transfer his soul into for some reason.

Um so so uh yeah so he so now and he's the only person that he can transfer a soul into. Um and uh yeah. It ends with this like very fun like he kills a bunch of people and with very fun like scary um where like kind of like one of those like you keep thinking he's dead, but he keeps coming back in like continuously more like burnt degraded forms um until his mom like shoots it in the face. And that's like most of Child's play. That's child play? Is that a good rundown? Yes? Yeah, perfect one?

And then the sequel is where it takes place in that r OTC camp. Right, No, that's the that's child play three so many which which one is the child's play too? Child's play too is uh, it's kind of as you know, and he's now in a foster home. His mom is is in a never see a mental in terminators. Yes, although we never we never we never never seen. Oh, the mom is just gone. She's just because people don't believe her. Yes, she she stood by her son like and said like, yes, this doll was

trying to kill people. And everyone was like alright, and then like the sun is safe but you yeah, yeah. So, um, he's taken to a foster home. It's kind of a little bit the same movie over again. He gets a he gets new foster parents at Chucky kills Uh. He goes to school. But my favorite thing about this movie is that, like in this one, Andy's like attitude has just changed, Like he's very like defeated. He's just like Chuck,

He's gonna get me. Like he's not very defiant. Um, he's like like no child like like but Chucky kills his his teacher before. Like another good seeing that movie is Chucky is like Andy's in school and then Chucky like takes his test and writes on it like and it turns into the teacher and the teachers like why you're you're in detention. It's like I don't even see

how that served like chucky. He was like, I'm just sing this it was such a big deal when I was a little like yeah, and I would I could only see like the edited versions on TV, so like they never showed what he wrote. So he just like the teacher, was like freaking out about something crazy. Chuck. He wrote on that test, I know, I love the people who have only seen the edited version of The Big Lebowski and thinks the line is find a stranger

in the Alps. But the reason I brought up Child's Play three is because the one thing, because we're talking about how like it is so scary and reevented, is that r OTC scene where he switches it with live. Amm O, such a fear of my words, like oh no, yeah we're using fake guns, but like what if they they did switch it to live and yes, yes that is a good scene. Yeah, just to wrap a child play. Oh, he gets a he gets a cool like foster sister this girl um uh Kyle um, She's like he's protecting

this one. It ends in a big like, it ends in a big finale in the in the good Guy factory. Um. And there's some cool there's that's probably that's probably my favorite finale of the of my favorite finale of the series. It ends in this big, like almost like Looney Tunes ish sized factory and like Chucky gets like covered in like molten plastic and like a ton of body parts, like extra body parts attached to him before he's like blown up with an air hose. Uh. Yeah, it's fun.

This wasn't the fan death yet. No, No, this fan death is uh fan death is three. Well, fan death is such a big deal because that's why the next one he's all stitched up. Yes, and that was when he went from like kind of scary to like terrifying to me. Yes, oh you got more scared from stitch face Chuck, which is an official Is that the community called stitch face Chucky? Yes, because that's also the one where they get like it gets like more like cantic. Yeah. Yeah,

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We're talking about Child's Play. Nanny's here and so is Joan, and we're gonna wrap up Child's Play three and then get into Bright of Choke here. Oh yeah, Child's Play three and that Uh, there's a there's a fair next to the military school. It ends with oh, Chucky's in a new body in this one, so he's he there's a new kid that he can put his his soul into. So Andy has to say that kid, this kid Tyler

from getting his body body taken over by Chucky. It ends with him getting yes, as you said, he gets I can't like, I can't remember what the fan was attached to. I can picture very closely. I can picture that scene of him like falling into a fan. Uh, you know, it's one of those Carnival fans that they have. You know, it's Rove and Border running the carnival and Chuck he's all chopped up and we won't see him again until Yeah, I know that's yeah, that's seven years later.

But the interesting thing about that is that like there is like, even though think it was like Child's Play two comes out in ninety and Child's Play one comes out in three comes out of ninety one, they leaped forward like eight years, so technically that movie is taking place in ninety eight. So like the it's like it's a Tokyo drift style thing where the franchise does catch

up with its time. John, Yes, yes, So jumping ten years from the original Child's Play, we have the bride of Chucky um and if he and I at the break, we're just geeking out about Jennifer Tilly, who we love. It was a big crush. Oh yeah, just even the doll version. I was so in love if he was like, yeah that doll want that? Yeah she I believe that doll was like model, like they model that doll after Jennifer Tilly. So yeah, so can you tell us a

little bit about Tiffany. Tiffany is uh ex girlfriend of Chucky's that we we've never heard of before. Um but she um, she steal um the remains of Chucky from a cop, stitches him back together. Um. And then and then she condulso she she can sell the book called Voodoo for Dummy Voodoos for Dummies, um to h to bring him back to life. And um, yeah she her intention is to get Chucky's so into the body of another human than Marryam. But they have they have a

little bit of fight. Chucky kills her and then puts her body into a doll, into one of her She has a very extensive doll collection. She's into dolls, which is like, well, you know, she's super into dolls, so like, you know, why not just stick with your doll boyfriend. Why do you have to put him into the body of another dude? But yeah, Jennifer Tilly amazing in human or doll form. Also, if you don't remember, one of

her neighbors with Katherine Heigel is in it. Yes, Katherine Heigel is the Katherine Tigel is the like the girlfriend girlfriend of the bull who lives in the trailer park. Yes, um yes, Also chief Warren Kincaid is John Ritter, yes, um, alexis um cat is in it as um. The person that Tiffany is is seen before Chucky Chucky re enters her life. And this one, yeah, this one was like way more comedic. This was This is when we got full like goofy Chucky. But it's still had like some

dark moments throughout it. Yes, yeah with the one where we found out that Chucky is in fact atomically correct because there is a full doll doll sex scene. Yes, they totally forgot about that, yes, yes um um yeah, and it's about how the other the other new thing we didn't we've never heard of is that they're like Chucky's human body was buried with an amulet that I guess like now that amulet, if they get that amulet,

they can possess anyone they want. Uh, so they're gonna so they they they kidnapped this couple um uh Katherine Heigel and young Kavin Higel and her boyfriend who I don't know who it was played by. Um, I guess you know it was played by Nick Stable our faith Yeah, known from such things as uh Santa Junr Descendant, but not just Descendant, not The Descendants, not the outstander pain film or the hit Disney Channel musicals. Oh my gosh.

I did want to say that there was a chain back in the nineties called the Good Guys, and they actually thought about changing their name because because of Chucky. That's really funny, I would sailing into it. Yeah, totally. Yeah, but I think they were getting a lot of like prank calls and people like harassing them. My brothers and I used to do that. We thought we were funny. We would call like the in Sync fan club or whatever those guys had, those people, Yeah, frank fans did

you call it? Like? I was Backstreet Boys, But then they switched to in sc like eventually, but because Backstreet Boys kind of just like weren't shelling out as much. I think, like put that sounds bad, but whatever, Remember Instinct got some like Showtime or HBO like special that they did, and I remember watching that. I was just I was all Spice girls at that time, girls too. Yeah, but then they kind of broke up. They did break up, Yeah,

but I still still yeah yeah yeah. Um, I mean I like I like the occasional like everybody or or um that's the only time I was gonna think of, but no Spice Spice Girl. At that time, Spice Girls was was my dominated, my dominated, my hit clicks. Um, that's whether things are called right, hit clicks. Yes, you get them at like McDonald's. They're like a little disk, like a little fake floppy disk that you could listen

to music off of anyways, Child Clay Child's play. Yeah, I remember they are we talking the mini disc or the clip disc the clip disk? Yeah, because I remember when you bought the um Spice Girls like lollipops, they came with a clip discs clip discs. Yeah, yeah, I gotta enunciate, yes, yeah, yeah. It ends with Yeah, it ends with Chucky and Tiffany being defeated in a graveyard, but not before Tiffany gives birth to a little like

mutant dolly thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, that means, yeah, trying to do the science of this, well, I do think, Like in two, I think is when we find out that like Chucky like slowly becomes the longer he's in a body, this he slowly becomes human, And I guess I don't know what the rules are. I don't know why, like when he's an original human he can transfer his soul into anything. But like once he turns in full

it Chucky, once he's he's Chucky is full human. He can't transfer to say, I don't know that you know my vodous because they already used all that magic to tournament the human. They can't do it. Yeah, there's only every every everybody only comes with so much voodoo magic you don't get to it doesn't get replenished. Um. But yeah,

that's how Brian Chucky is. Well. Uh. I was going to say that Don Mancini, who wrote it, wrote all of these like you were saying, he originally wanted to have multiple Chucky's yes and um and so pitch that I think for Child's Play three and they ended up using that twenty plus years later for a Cult of Chuck. Yes. Um, but that's just you know, hold onto those ideas. Yeah. Oh yeah, I definitely want to talk about because there there was some drama with the reboot, but we'll get

into that when we get to the reboot. Yeah, because now we're on the seed of Chucky, which is I love I love ce. Chucky is a massive a movie, but I love it. Um. It's about um, it's we we catch up with Chucky and Tiffany's offspring. Um, and there Glenn is like kind of in Glenn slash Glenda.

They're kind of in a Pinocchio situation where an evil puppeteer is is has captured them and it's putting pretty on show like this' very like Chris angelized Cventrol question is doing shows with them in uh London, but they see their parents. They're making like Hollywood is making like a Bride of Chucky movie with its starring the actual Jennifer Tilly. Uh. Glenn slash Glenda sees this on the TV and it's like, oh, those are my parents. I

have to go find them. Um and uh he takes off or they take they take off for um they take off for America and we don't know how they get on a plane. They just do it. Um and yeah there they in baby for him this whole time. No, they are like, uh pretty, They're like like like maybe like if in doll ages, I would assume they are like what they look like. General Levin, As far as these go, how would you like? Is this one that people love? I mean, I feel like you know the

community better than us. I do think like this one is one of the this is one of the few that like I think only two of them kind of bombed and child Child's Play three and this one kind of bomb and I just don't I think, you know, it deals with some pretty like you know what at the time was some like you know, unusual stuff for I mean, for now now it's like pretty unusual, like you know, to see like a movie of that scale kind of dealing with you know, like the kind of

the conceit of the film is that, uh, Glenn slash Glenda is born without like is born not untomicly correct. They are born with like you know, what would be described as like Barbie r Ken type parts. So so Chucky and Tiffany gettingto a basically get into a fight over like is are they are they a boy or girl? And they both like fight. They're both kind of like competing to raise them the way they say they they

think the child should be raised. Um. And so when it's so at times they are Glen and at times they are Glenda. Um. And uh. Also it should be like important important fact like Jennifer Tilly is playing Jennifer Tilly in this movie, who's she's trying to get in a movie. She's trying to get into the the Rapper. Redman is directing a like the story of the Virgin Mary. Jennifer Tilly really wants to be in this movie, so

that's a big part of the storyline. Fun fact about that is that Don Mancini wrote that part for Quentin Tarantino. It was gonna be which you know, uh no shade on Redman's directing skills, but that makes a like makes a little more sense. Um and but Tarantino refused to do it, which I think it's like you did little, you did a little Nikki, you can't do it checking come on, yeah yeah, so um so, uh so yeah so uh so back to what but we're saying, Yeah,

the movie was not a success. I think it was, but I think the community is really warm to it, specifically, especially like I think parts of the kind of there is a like a big subculture of like are a big like subject culture of like you know, queer horror fans.

So I think have like really embraced this. Uh do you know there's a drag queen in San Francisco, or primarily in San Francisco called Peaches Christ and she does this like movie series called uh that they tend to be like there's a drag show and then a movie or and then the drag show is based on the movie. Um, and she's a big she I think. I know, she's like a big lover of Seed of Chucky. They did, like they just did a couple of years ago, they did a revival of it where she did on this

show based on the movie. So like, I think it's something that has uh kind of caught on later on and especially like been embraced by this like this like small like sub community of the horror community. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely remember that. I did watch this because Glenn's face is a face you can't for me. And also I remember Glenn has been in a few memes. Uh, but uh yeah, I definitely remember, but I just can't remember. It was one of those that kind of came through me.

Yeah it's yeah, you don't really rewatching it. I forgot that the movie literally opened with uh with like come maccovery and like come oozing down the screen. C. Yeah. Yeah, it's like but I I um, it's a yeah, it's a hard movie to forget. But um, I mean and I sometimes with stress is that you know, I feel like, you know, the movie does also like fall into some of the you know words tropes about that we see about like trans or gender non binary people in horror movies.

You know, um it kind of like eventually it presents Glenn like it's it kind of presents them as a person with like kind of like a split personality disorder, which is kind of like a aggressive way horror films that have tended to like to de pick like gender fluidity, like you know, going back to like to like even things like Psycho or that to Palma film, um Um Dressed to Kill. But it is but at the same time, you know, like I I like it for what it is.

It was a movie that like faced a lot of uphill battles with what it couldn't couldn't do based on

like what the studio is allowing. And you know, it's you know, I am a big believer in you know, you know, even like even if it's not the best representation, it was still like, you know, representation of you know, my community of like the way I saw myself in a genre I love, in a franchise I love, So you know, I that's not to say that, like we don't like acknowledge and d and like deal with the problematic parts of it, but we also like, I also like love that it's that it exists, and you know,

Glenn slash Glenda is still a character. You know that I that that that I love and speaks to me and like, yeah, just despite their their issues. So we're moving on to the Curse of Chucky, which just I mean that sounds like that could have just been the name for all of the Yeah, I was wondering why I didn't see this one, but this one was direct to video yeh, the next two or direct to video.

Cursive Chucky is a cursive Chucky was like dominancene E being like because I think, like the this is like two thousand thirteen, right, and like them, the franchise had kind of been in like limbo um and I know even he at one point was like, maybe we should reboot it um, but eventually he decided that, um, it was like, let's just like a back It's like it's a moving the same continuity, but it's like kind of like a back to basics, like scary like is Chucky

alive or not? Type movie? Um, And that also introduces like kind of like the new protect like you know, protagonist of the series. Who's this woman named Nika. She's actually played by um Brad Durroff, the voice of Chucky. He's played by her daughter. Uh she's a uh she's paraplegic. I believe she's like she's like in a wheelchair. Um. And the movie is about kind of like her like family. Um, it's an all in one night movie. Uh. The mother is killed after this suspicious dollar has been uh male

to their house. And it's kind of like a like a murder mystery of trying to figure out like who's doing this and like is Chucky really alive or not? And throughout like i'd say, for the first like so you know, three quarters of the movie, like it could just be like it just kind of plays as a potentially like a reboot, like you don't know if this is even in the same continuity. And then at the end, like there is a big reveal that this is the same continuity, Like Chucky takes off his like mask and

he's still like stitch face Chucky underneath. Um and yeah, and uh that's yeah, it's it's I really like these last two, Like Curse of Chuck, he's like a lot of fun. Just it's just like a good fun like scary like Studio Haunted House movie. I like this ending too because you know, spoiler, we're gonna spoil it. But yeah, he ends up at because I guess, like part of the movies, he's being mailed places. Basically, yes, yes, we find out that he's okay. So end of really quick

end of Seed of Chucky. Uh, Tiffany possesses the body of Jennifer Tilly. So now Tiffany is going around like as Jennifer Tilly in this reality. But she they are now like basically they're mailing Chucky to everyone who's ever like wronged him. And so next step on that next stop on that journey is like the is Andy if who from the first film and but and he's ready

for him? Is Andy now an adult? Yes, it's Andy's an adult and it is the original act because they got a different they different actor who played Chucky in child Play three because they wanted Asian up to sixteen. But now it's they've returned to like the original actor who played him in child Play one and two, who's now like you know, aged up two. Is it like mid thirties I believe, and he or maybe even literally forties and now, Yes, it's that original. It's that original Andy.

That's so cool. Yeah. It ends with like like he's like and he's ready for him, he like shotgun blasts and right if he comes out of his box. I love that he's just moving around like Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. Yes, yeah, just Spain shipped. We have to take another really quick break. We're going to hop into the rest of Chucky and the future of Chucky right

after this and we're back. The last thing I wanted to say on the Curse of Chucky is that is when they had the Halloween Horror Knights Universal, they had a Chucky's fun House. Yes, um, which is where uh, Chucky's Fun House is like more directly taken from um. Like it was definitely there to sponsor because of Chucky, but the the attracting itself was more like in the in line with um the end of child Play three, because it was like a fun it was like a

fun fair like environment. Um. Also, um, Yeah, Chucky has been a pretty constant presence at Halloween Horn. Yeah. I remember last year. Oh my gosh they you go. You went on their bus. Uh, They're like tram and it pulled up and they were like a thousand Chuck. It was all these Chucky's of all different heights and they

would like come and start walking towards you. A couple a couple of years, a year or two before that, they did like it was Chucky's Terror Tram and it was like Chucky was like you were on the tram and Chucky was like kind of like a juggle like the Jungle Cruise House, like make cracking jokes, but also like like he killed he had killed the guy who was supposed to be giving it to our Um. Yeah, yeah,

I also wanted to shout out to the puppeteers. We don't really think of them very off and it looks like on at least for the Curse of Chucky, there were one, two, three, four, five puppeteers. Um, so I assume on the other ones too that have like Bright of Chucky and um, the Seat of Chucky also have

multiple Yeah. Um, they're putting in work make him look real. Yeah, because like uh, I mean even going back to the first one, like the reason I read some of the reason don Mancini like was like, I'm gonna write my Killer Donald movie now. Is because he saw Gremlin's and he was like, oh wow, Like puppeteering animatronics has evolved to the point that like you can do this and

make it look like respectable and actually scary. Uh so yeah, so like it that's a that's it's like kind of the whole franchise in a way like was born of like oh, like the talent and skill of these puppeteers and Animatron and Animatronics have like evolved a point that like I can do this story now. Yeah, so or is it Cult of Chucky now or yeah now the second direct video film, Cult of Chucky, which was two

thousand seventeen. That's a date I want you a year I want you to remember because this is very important into where this is the discussion that's it's going to end up with. Okay, great, Yeah, So Curse of Chucky. We're following Nika again. She is in an insane asylum because she has also insisted that all these murders were

there were because of a killer doll. But we're also kind of following this like other story, which is like um Andy has now like, uh, chop the head off of Chucky and is like torturing it, like he just keeps Chucky as like a victim, as like a torture victim that he just like he's just like driving nails and kidding it with a blowtorch constantly. But while we're that's happening. And also Nika is in this um uh

insane asylum. Um, she is if someone males a Chucky doll there, And it seems like this Chucky is also killing is starting on a is starting a killing spree at the insane asylum. But it's like, how it could Chucky be with Andy but all so be in this asylum with Nika. And the answer is that we finally got to that Chucky has learned how to put his soul into multiple things. So now there are multiple Chucky's all, I guess, all of the country committing all all kinds

of murders. Yes, um, and it ends with um. Also, Jennifer Tilly is back in this one too. She is um, um, you're just being Jennifer Tilly, I guess. But with the sliver killer it's killer doll and her um. That one ends with um. Chucky also possesses Nika. So now he's in the body of this is what he's kind of

like taken over the body of this woman. Um. And now like it ends with like Nika Chucky, which is what the fans call her, Nika Chucky and Jennifer Tilly Tiffany meeting up and like it's implied that they are gonna be in a relationship. And like Chucky's kind of like the Chucky's comfortable in his like he's like, I like this new body, Like this feels this feels right. Um. So that's why. Yeah, which has like a trans icon Chucky. Um. Yeah.

So they go off to commit more murders. Well there are still like several Chucky dolls all over the country of the world. Maybe. And um, also we get the reintroduction of Kyle the the um Kyle the foster sister from two is kind of brought at the very end just as a as a as a like credits cookie. But yeah, she's back. The same actress came back for that too. So yeah, I like how they keep it like and they keep the franchise like in the family

a little bit. Yeah. Also, I mean just think of like now we have Annabelle and we have like, I mean, there's so many things that he was. Chucky was our first possessed doll. Yeah. Yes, so the first the reason that you're so very important is because this was all news to me. So when the new Child's Play reboot was announced, it was a big controversy, not necessarily because it's a reboot, which at first I thought it was, but the Chucky community felt slighted because this was also

being done without Donci, without Don Mancini. Apparently he didn't even know. Yeah, yeah, no broad deer off. I was told that at one point, and this might have been after the fan uproar. I read that, like Don mancin they offered Don Mancini like a producer credit, and he was like, I don't want like just like a like

a like okay, like get out of your credit. So he didn't take He didn't take it, Yeah, because that's the thing, because he's written all of these up until this point, so yeah, it would be weird for him to just be a quote unquote producer and yeah and like and like that was when I kind of learned about these direct video ones. Was because people were like, the story is still going on? And the last one kind of ended on a cliffhanger, so it's weird to

reboot it right now. Yeah, um supposedly, like uh, they were talking about this. I don't know where it is right now, but Sci Fi is doing like a Chucky, a Chucky series to con tinue that for that franchise, like now I believe, like I don't know if this is like the official classification, but I think the way fans kind of determined is that like that kind of the new continuity is like the Child's Play franchise at like the Bread Darroff ones, the don Nancini ones are

like the Chucky franchise. What did you first left Starve? What did you think about the Child's Play reboot? I? I was definitely part of the Chucky community. That was like I was not I was not happy about it, Like I didn't like it seemed weird to do it

without Bread Garraffe. And also like you know, just from a personal standpoint, like you know, I and not that I think this was like any of the thinking going into the reboot, but it was like, you know, like I like that child Play is a is a you know, franchise that has been like created and like kind of like controlled creatively by like like a queer creator for so long that like and there's I think I feel like there's so little of that in Hollywood that like

taking it or you know, not so little, but you know, like at least in the horror world, you know. Um, but I did go to see it, and for honestly, like I because I think for legal reasons, it had to distinguish itself so much from like the France, from the other Chucky movies. Like I was told that Lee I had heard that legally, like they couldn't they just not only could they not use any of the existing like Chucky mythology, which is why I think they had

to resort to the like Chucky is like an ai. Um, they couldn't like have any kills that like at all resembled anything from the other child's playing movies. So if like Chucky kills somebody with like a nail gun in a Chucky in in one of the other movies, um, like this Chucky could never like killing one with a nail gun. And so that like really like I think like made them force them to come up with some

like creative kills. And there are some like really like there are some really like weird like just out like like crazy kills and those moves in that movie that I enjoy and also like uh Mark Hamill, you know kind of Braddorf Chucky is just like this insane like

kind of like this insane killer. Uh Mark Hamill plays Chucky has kind of like like how like a how two thousand ask um, you know, in like in robot who like goes crazy specifically because like it's like, oh, this boy is his best friend and then the boy rejects him and he's like he's like a jealous boyfriend who wants his like his best friend back, um and um. So he plays it's a different slant on the character that I that I didn't hate. I enjoyed some of it.

Let's realized. Yeah, it's not even like it's not a soul in the body, it's it's it is a robot. Yeah, it's like an AI that gets corrupted and it's like it's it's like it's pretty dumb. Like is when you think about the fact that the reason Chucky can continue to go is because with the introduction of Ludo magic, you can always make your soul go. Yeah, if they kill this. There's no reason this other yeah, unless they like it's like that consciousness is up in the cloud

or something like. It even opens with like the reason he gets like the AI gets corrupted is because like we open it like the factory they're building Chucky and this guy gets fired and he's like okay, and he like such like writes like coding into the doll, and it's like, oh, you want to you're gonna fire me.

I'm gonna put some evil code in this doll. Well, it seems like everyone kind of agree with you, because score wise, it has five point nine out of ten on IMDb, on Rotten Tomatoes, which is still technically fresh yeah, and forty percent on Metacritic. Uh uh. But it did make forty three million with a budget of ten millions, so we might this might not be the end of

I don't know how they're going to continue that. But but I mean, like I I was, I'm a big follower of like horror Instagram, and prior to the movie coming out, there was just a lot of like we hate New Chucky, mean like lots of like being like people drawing like like um, you know, like old Chucky, like killing New Chucky, which I love, angsty like, and you know, now I think about it, like I should have some sympathy for this because like, because I was

working on ThunderCats, I was definitely part of a franchise that like people were like no' like giving it no no credit, Like I no, I'm not gonna I'm just gonna like say I don't like this and never look at it. You know what. I did the same thing to Child's Play. I'm I'm part I'm I'm a part of the problem. But I did go see it and I didn't like, I didn't enjoy it, and a lot of the memes like those means kind of I think like the community was basically like, yeah, that's fine, we

still like what we still want Old Chucky. But you know, this wasn't a bad movie. We had Aubrey Plaza who was in it, also Gabriel Bateman, Brian Tyree Henry, and of course Mark camel Plane. Chucky one thing that I thought was really funny. So it was released June one of this year, twenty nineteen. It was the same weekend that Toy Story was released, and they really capitalized on that because I don't know if you caught the posters were,

which was fascinating. It showed Andy because they have they both have boys named Andy um and it was like dead Woody like it was just like his you know. They really the posters that they made were the same posters as the Toy Story ones, like same background and everything, but it was like of Chucky, like killing the toys. Yeah, you know, maybe a little presumpould say, you know, I think liked Toy Story four for yeah, Story four probably made about like, like, you know, five million dollars more,

but I still admire I did like those posters. That was fun. Yeah, I thought it was cute. Yeah. Yeah. So it seems like the future of the I guess we'll call it the Chucky franchise lies in sci fi, and the future of Child's Play probably lies in oryan pictures on what they decide to do. And there's a big I know, there's a big part of the community, not a big party. There's a small part of the community that really wants Chucky and Nika's body to Andy.

So so I'm not a part of that community, but I know that's that's that's a thing people really some people really want. And by the way, just to answer your question, or not to answer your question, but to tack on when you said Chucky versus Toy Story, Toy Story four made one point zero fifty eight billion dollars versus Chucky's. Yeah, a lot going for it. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Well, also we didn't really tackle this, but there was a

huge controversy when Child's Play came out. There were parents protesting. In fact, they actually went to the studio to protest about it, which is so funny. It's like, I don't know if that's the thing they would do now. I mean, I guess I still have like one million moms and stuff. There's definitely like I feel like the eighties was a

little bit of like the heyday of that. Like I remember like they're being like urban legends about like kids who like copy yeah, like blew up their cat in the microway, they have to seeing Gremlins, And I think all that was kind of just like hysteric, like hysteric like kind of like an offshoot of the Satanic panics. But I yeah, yeah, I don't know if any of that was like proven to be to be Chucky's fault.

I don't know. Yeah, I mean that's the thing is it's funny because like, yeah, the one that we see is in a December of four people tortured and kill sixeen year old Suzanne Kapper and were said to be influenced by the movies because during the torturing, the perpetrators taunted her by playing her a song which is high I'm chucky want to play, But that just could have

been any song. Like, you can't take someone doing something heinous and then like an element of it blaming it on that instead of like, you know, the actual things. But we've learned many times and times again that people will blame anything like what's actually the problem? Yeah, yeah, it's it's I don't know. I I don't know, and I honestly don't know enough about that particular story to like commented on fully. And I don't want to make light of you know this, regardless of you know, what

encouraged it was, like it was a tragedy. But like I do because obviously, like I think, you know, movies and and video games that were like an easy escape go to not deal with real problem maybe real issues. And yeah, well, Joe, do you have anything that you want to plug? Um, just the you know, uh follow me on Twitter, on Instagram and Instagram as Joan Hailey Ford. And also, uh, I have a I have a UCB show starting December twelve, the u c V show. It's

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