Episode 74: Sherlock Holmes

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because it will mess you up. We don't cuss on here, but it will mess you up. Uh. Well, good to know. I'm going to continue my pro snack anti energy drink. What do you what do you have for a caffeine? So much coffee and I cooke okay coffee, so you just straight like chug. I'm a black coffee drinker. Yeah, that's the best way. Yeah. I just I think I started doing it in high school and I've been doing it ever since. Yeah. I just I can't have dairy, so I know that I could have like the other

possible things angels like oat milk and hemp milk. I've just tried the oat milk that we have here, so I'm new to oat milk, m coconut milk, though I'll sometimes treat myself and put that in there. I remember, like my first day in l A. I go to a coffee shop and I was like, hey, can I get like a latte with like non fat or like low fat, like two percent milk? And they're like, oh, we don't have two percent have oat milk or hemp

milk or almond milk. I was like, all right, well, I guess this is this is where I live now. Of course they didn't have two percent milk. Oh my gosh, who even ask how would they do that? Here? Well? Um, today we are talking about something that is near and dear to your heart. Um. You actually when I was asking you the things that you are into, you brought it up. And that's Sherlock Holmes. Yeah. I'm a big Sherlott comes man. I love mysteries. Sometimes I get in patient.

I think the thing is I love mysteries. I don't usually like mystery books because I'm too impatient. I was skipped to the end. But short stories are the best. You're in, you're out. Yeah, but this is not a short story like Sherlock Holmes. Some of them are okay, okay, because the one that I was at first introduced too I told you was hown to the Baskerville. That's that's a book. Yeah, Okay, there's a lot of short stories. And then also, I mean the Sears. There's so many

good adaptations. I'm pretty sure now it's like it must be in the public domain because so many people adapt him. But like, there's so many good and smart adaptations, and I think there's something so human about our want for a character who just is so smart and always right. Yeah. So what was your first introduction to him? I think reading middle school. I think in middle school I read a few. I read some of the short stories. So I read like The Speckled Band, and I was like,

oh my god, oh my god, what is this? And then I remember when I learned that house was Charlotte. Uh it blew my mind. I was like house homes. Also, technically, I would have to say my first introduction to him would be The Great Mouse Detective. Oh my god, I can't believe I bring that up right. I truly loved the Great mass dettech Basil of Baker stra Yes, and the villain was Ratigan. Ratigan he had a song. All villains should have songs, yes, and um, that creepy little

Hobgoblin bat God was so good. Yeah. That's also the thing about Carlock Holmes is it brings out the best villains. Because the thing about Charlotte Holmes is it's so grounded, like it's so clearly takes place in the real world, but it's also this real world, like all of his murders, all the cases he solves, are like plausible, but it's also like a real world where people have like arch nemeses and super villains. So it's like we get our super villain fixed in a totally grounded way. Yeah. I

just remember the Hound of the Baskervilles terrified me. Oh, that one's so scary. Yeah. And I can't remember if there was some type of media adaption that I saw it. I can't if it was a show or something I also think of. I don't know if this was actually in it. But um, do you remember the Page Master. Is that the one with mccullo. Yes, yeah, yeah, Well they had Jacquel and Hide, but I can't remember if they also had um like a Sherlock Holmes reference in

there as well. But that's what I think of. Um, So we should just dive into the history of our Private Detective that was created by British author Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Great mustache. Uh. He was a doctor originally, which I like. I like that, like him and Chekhov that sometimes there's just like men of medicine that are just like I shall write stories, right, Yeah, Well,

have you read any of his other works? Yeah? I've read some of his other short stories actually, because I do um a podcast here called Noble Blood and one of the uh, Arthur Conan Doyle loved Weird History and the Occult, and so one of the episodes I'm doing, we share he and I shared a proclivity for a certain weird historical case that he wrote about a lot. And what I also like about him is he sort of hated Sherlock Holmes really so he it's like the

first instance of toxic fandom. Yeah, so he wrote Sherlock Holmes. I was kind of mad at how successful it got, and he was really angry that that was the thing he was getting known for. Oh that makes sense that like maybe he had other works that he like, why don't you guys into this? You're into this, dude? Yeah, He's like I just wrote this one, but like I'm writing all these other things. And so then he killed Charlock Holmes off at the Rick and back falls, but

then the fans were so angry. The fans were outraged that then years later he brought her He had Sherlock comes like catch a branch and survived the falling to his death. He's like, alright, alright, and type type type Sherlock Holmes actually survived and he's back. I just love the idea because we didn't have social media, people just like shouting in the streets colms. But right, can't you so see that like a character could would be so beloved that the author kills them off and then fans

are so outrage that they bring them back. So you were asking about my tattoos and the dragonball Z tattoos and vegeta, who's this character that it happened to him exactly a curritory ama. The creator killed him off and he was like everybody's favorite. He was just supposed to be a villain. He was just supposed to be there for like one or two story arcs and saga's and he's now and I can like they're do He's normally placed up alongside the main character. He's been there for

decades now. He's like, he's my favorite. So he's he became went from being a side character to being like the one of the main characters. Um. But yeah, he like brought him back, and I think it was the same thing. He hates him. Everybody knows that about him. He hates him because he gives him like the worst story line and he refuses to let him excel past a certain point. But like, fans would die if he

wasn't around. So I'm reading this this bit from his Wikipedia because I was curious how they framed it, because I'm sure it was less colorful than I imagine they were. Like. In December, to dedicate more of his time to his historical novels, Doyle had Homes and Professor Moriality plunged to their deaths together down in the Reichenback Falls. Uh. Public outcry, however, led him to feature homes in one in the novel The Hound of the Baskervilles. So he's like, all right, fine.

So Sherlock Holmes first appeared in print in eight seven a study in Scarlet. Do you remember that one? Yeah? And that actually is um if you saw the Sherlock adaptation on the BBC Benedict Cumberband. Yes, the first episode of that is a study in pink. Okay, there's something so fascinating about, um, a mystery that is presented and

solved too in a satisfying way. Like we love that with every story, Like even non mystery stories, aren't they always just plots that are resolved in a clever way that make you go ah, yeah, yeah, I can't remember. We had throw up Van orman on who is a director. He created Flapjock on Cartoon Network but also he directed The Angry Birds, and he was saying something about features, how um, they shouldn't leave you like same with novels, like they you should feel um completed at the end

of them essentially um. And I love that he said, like it shouldn't leave you actually guessing for more so I guess some cliffhangers are not some like movie cliffhangers. So something about Sherlock Holmes. He is in a Guinness Book of World Records as being the most portrayed movie character. I think that has today with him being in public domain right where it's like everyone can can take their

take a crack at him. Yeah, yeah, and so many parodies, and obviously he's been referenced in like every TV show ever. Um oh, I didn't know this, it says Conan Doyle wrote the first Carlock Comes novel when he was twenty seven, in less than three weeks, which I hate. What is everyone else doing with their lives? I'm so mad? I hate. I hate to like you could do that. I feel like, lock yourself away for how was it three weeks? Just

lock yourself away? You could totally do it. Yeah, okay, I still have a year to do it to make my Sherlock Holmes. So before we dive into more of his books, can you talk to people about the character of Sherlock, Like, what does he like? His personality? Yeah?

So it's hard to pin that down because obviously there's been so many permutations of him that I feel like it would almost be limiting to only talk about the book Sherlock Holmes, because I feel like Sherlock Holmes has become a character of the popular imagination, right, Like he's

bigger than he is in the books. In the books, people like to point out like he uses drugs, but like you know he uses ah, well, he smokes his pipe, his pipe and he does some opium and uh he he is famously um Kurt and per s nickitty with people, and there's whether or not regardless. Some people read sexual tension with Watson, which I don't think was in the

original intent of the book. But of course going back you can always read that in uh the biggest wait, I wanted to pause on that moment, So like that

has been Have people talked about that? Yeah? I feel like people go back to the text and try to especially we'll talk about this, but like Sherlock the TV show, people are huge shippers with John Lock, right John and uh and Sherlock is that they should be together, and so I feel like people do go back to the text and they're like, see blah blah blah, look they're together, um,

which you know maybe who knows. And people play with that, right because there was that elementary where they made Wanton Lucy lou So sometimes like yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean I don't think a burdener any situation. It can be whatever you wanted to be. Yeah, although I would love to see like an actually gay one, like an explicitly gay one. That would be fun. I'm sure that will probably. I mean, it's such a it's I mean, with everybody making taking these I p s, I feel

like we'll get another Sherlock coming up. It's crazy that we haven't that we haven't had a gay Sherlock. I mean, yeah, just like it's people gay Sherlock, gay Sherlock. We've had a young Sherlock. We're ready for gay Shortock. But so Sherlock as a character, I think his most like telling uh quote. And I'm paraphrasing completely because I do I'm

not Sherlock Holmes. I don't have quotes memorized. But there is an exerpt from one of the stories where he's describing his brain and he talks about how he doesn't know he like can identify a hundred and thirty cigars by their ash, but he doesn't know that the Earth revolves around the Sun. And he's like, well, it doesn't help me in my detective work to like know that workings the planets, but it does help me to identify ash.

And he's like, my brain is like an attic and there's only so much space, and I put keep important things there that helped meself crimes. So that's the way you sort of define the characters. He is someone who has shed off all extraneous knowledge and social skills and social niceties and to presuve of his brain to fight crime. He kind of comes off as like rude or brash, Yeah, because he doesn't he doesn't care about that he's shed

social niceties. He just wants to solve solve murders. What I take away from that quote is that he's not focused on like um, bigger, like larger. He's like focused on the minute, like tiny small details that people would miss. Yes, that's exactly. It's very Monk. We love God, we love a a really smart detective. I mean like Sharrock Comps.

Is that the foundation for so many TV shows like Monk, like Psych, like any any detective show, Owes owes it to Sherlock because you need the genius, and then you need the sidekick who's the audience proxy who asks the questions, because Sherlock will be like, Okay, onto the you know, Miller's, and then we need John to be the audience to say, like, wait, how did you know we're supposed to go to the Millers? And then he explains, yeah, so can you talk about Watson. Yeah,

Watson is a military doctor. In the original book, he came back from like the Anglo Afghanistan War. I don't think it was Afghanistan back then, but Middle East War in Victorian times, and he needs a place to live in his mutual friends like try the flattered to make Surelock Holmes and the books most of them, with the exception of one or two. And don't quote me on that, but I'm pretty sure there's one or two exceptions. Most of them are written as if from from John's personct.

We're reading his eccentric detective he stumbled upon, Yes, his friend who does amazing things. And there's even a quote that Sherlock says, where he goes, I would be lost without my balls Well referencing uh, Samuel Peeps and and Boswell Boswell who like wrote everything that he's doing. Um, Johnson and Boswell. Sorry not Samuel Peeps was a diarist. God, it's I need more caffeine, Boswell wrote, Samuel Johnson with the diarist, and so he is the one wunting Sherlock,

so he functions as the narrator proxy. So we get to see Sherlock work through John's perspective and John as he's usually portrayed, is the human side. What are some of your favorite stories of his? Well, God, I I

do want to talk. If we can to move to Sherlock on the b like the BBC Agitation, Yeah, yeah, because that was the first time where like I feel like Sherlock had a fandom because I feel like everyone kind of just like like Sherlock Humbs stories growing up, and like I liked him fine, Like I was like, oh, those are fun short stories, but it wasn't like I felt like any emotional kinship to it. And I think

it jumped the shark a little bit. But when it first came out and I was like streaming them illegally in America because out yet, I was like, Jesus Christ, have you seen this? Have you seen this? Bennett Cumberbatch wasn't a thing yet, right I only they knew him. We didn't know him they but I mean he was starting to become known, he was starting to come down. We didn't know him. I mean, I'm sure he was doing things in England. He's in a few things. I

had no idea who he was. He was just this gorgeous, cheekbone walking cheekbone. He looks like Sherlock Holmes. Martin Freeman looked. Uh, he was kind of familiar. He was the guy from Love actually, and he was the guy from the British Office. He plays the gym equivalent in the British Office. Um, and it was just amazing. It was also the first series where oh, and they both are in the m c U. Oh yeah, now they're both in the m c uan. It's good for them. I'm sorry, that's where

my brain went when you said his name. They know fully they both had there. Also, when you said that you streamed illegally, totally did that with Pride and Prejudice. ABC version could not. I mean I just sat in like as I don't know, middle school or teenage Danny or whatever, just sat watching it in my bedroom like all weekend. I could not get it legally, had to extreme it. And then I remember because I became a fan of it when only the first season was out, um,

and there was a massive cliffhanger. I don't want to have you seen the Sherlock know so I don't want to spoil anything, even though everyone should see it by now, even out for like well over a decade yea like

fifteen years. Season You're Good one and season two both end with massive cliffhangers, and I was so mad that I had to wait like a year and a half for that to be resolved or longer even And now it's like on goddamn Netflix, and people just like like, oh, I wonder what happens, And I was like, you didn't suffer like I suffer. I was. I was trying to figure out that like VPN stuff to be able to watch because and in England you get please don't arrest me, but they get like BBC I Player, and I was

so desperate to see it. I was that was like I had that like fandom heart flutters for those I would think. So my favorite episode there, which I think is a perfect episode, is the season two finale um where I kind of wish that the show ended there. I know I'm one of those like you're always like like, of course you need more and it's so good, but I always get you never know you're in the good old days until you saw your Glee, your Glee tweets. I feel the same way. Back Late Lee peeked and

it was like a shooting star. It was here and then it was gone. The Glee pilot is one of the best pilots, and then the show went so off the rails. Yeah, I was never super into it, but I do enjoy their soundtrack on Spotify that, unfortunately, I think, is what what did them in? Oh No, I didn't. It's like people I feel like that, don't even watch it, but just but just start listening to them on Spotify.

I think that when they realized how much money they were making covers of recent songs, they just started like squeezing songs and we're like in the first episodes, like the first season few I think only the first season, like before it was a major hit. They just sang like Journey songs, like one or two songs in the episode, and then they just squeezed as many popheads as they could in to put on iTunes. I'm sorry, yeah, Advy,

it's my fault. We have to take a really quick break and then we're gonna hop back into Sherlock Holmes right after this, and we are back. This time we are joined by the one and only if you, Hey, how's it going, how's everyone feeling? Thanks for popping in. You missed the first time you missed the tiny bit about Sherlock. Yeah, but it's things that I'm sure that you already knew. No, not at all. I didn't want Sherlock.

Yeah no, no I was, but I was like, no, I'm gonna keep it all the way from the only BBC shows really hitting it off with was Doctor Who in Torchlight and then Sherlock. All the height was there. There's a lot of crossover with Uvians and I was like, maybe I should, but I was like, nah, did you ever read any fan fiction? Um? No, I'm because I'm not a fan fiction person. I know I've apologished, but

I did. I have seen a lot of like fan art on tumblers, in the tumbler memes that was like it was so here and precious for a little while, and then the fandom went, wait, so what happened with the fandom? Um, this is we're still talking about the BBC shelt I mean, they just went crazy. Don't don't get mad at me, because I'm part of you. But I think like there was like this obsession with Beternet Cumberbatch's so hot and like John Mark something in the first part that I missed that got bit at it.

Do you mean hot in like a figurative since people. That's because he's sort of like he's like attainable hot. He's kind of like nerod intellecture, right, He's like not jock hot. You feel like if you met him at a bookstore, you have shot. No. Yeah, but I also feel like he would try to teach me things. I'm kind of into that though. Oh my gosh, no data guys that are gonna like man's that are gonna be like, oh I see you with your I'm taking a dead shirt.

Man's playing, Man's playing. Okay, okay, okay, that's my my warning to anyone listening. Please don't don't slide into my m So when I tell you that I'm sort of into like the older professor, that's true. That's true. Um okay, wait, so the fandom went a little wild, yes, Like he was wearing this purple shirt in one episode and it kind of like bulged across his chest and they call it the purple shirt of sex. If you wait, what purple shirt of set that, it will come up look

at it. Hope, Wow, it is him right right, that's it, because that's all it took for the oh Man. They need to watch porns like I know, because it's just that's all it took to get excited. I wish what world do I live is? It's just like a kind of tight shirt. It's barely Also if you put the search purple shirt of it goes sexiness of Sherlock. Yeah, it's it's a thing. So it was this like fixation

on the minut show. And then the show sort of leaned into the fandom by making him sexier, yes, and like teasing him with sexiness like I haven't given him like a fake love interest for an episode. And then they also did this thing where they faked his death allow breaking back falls and then they like make it like oh, fans have no idea the explanation then like they it was very meta how they explained him faking his own death, and so fans got in the same

way that Sherlock. So Sherlock has made um the same show runner for a time as Doctor Who Stephen Moffatt to a lot of Doctor Who fanned and Sherlock fans feel very betrayed by Stephen Moffatt. He'd give it then to take it away. He ruined Sherlock and like what he created Sherlock was the fake death episodes have something

to do with like a waterfall or something. No, that's in the books, Okay, because I saw like some like Sherlock fan art and it was like bennerdet Common botch walking and there was like a waterfall there and everyone, and it was like, oh, yeah, that's the thing. Well in the in the books, he is in a fistfight with with Professor Moriarty and they both tumbled to their deaths or do they ten years later or you know, Arthur brings up bringing back In the series, he jumps

off a hospital building, but he survives. Yeah. Can you talk about Sherlock the history of Sherlock with women? Oh yes, so in the book he's almost totally a sexual okay, yeah, just he just is a like a machine, machine computer, just he doesn't exist. People in adaptations don't really like that because they're like, I don't know, it's more fun to give him a love interest, and so they give him.

Usually Irene Adler is the female love interest because she's supposed to be like beautiful and can best homes and in wits and uh, what is her profession? She's like an socialite actors? God, right, this is like, wait, don't you love that they? I totally forgot that we had those back then. And everyone gives people in our generation crap for being influencers, and there were literally had social life as as you're like, right, she was like an

actress or like an opera singer. Maybe she's only in one story, she's only in a scandal, but she she has She and Holmes have sort of this like flirty tete a tete, and then he kind of references her sometimes, so people always like are like, oh, he holds a flame for her, But I kind of more think it was like an intellectual thing and I almost prefer Sherlock Holmes as as a sexual and you don't give that

to him. And then but people like the Robert Downey Jr. One, you know, they wanted him to have that fun, flirtatious thing with Rachel McAdams, which is fun, you know, because I'm not a snob when it comes to fandom. I'm Sharla comes as a character. You're not going to ruin him. I think you can take him and have fun and do what you want with him. And the books are still going to exist, and other adaptations are still going

to exist. So if someone goes, well, my Sherlock Holmes is x y Z, I'm like, great power to you. I'm not. I'm not a snob in that regard at all. Like with Star Wars and stuff, like I love the Ridge Triage um and people are like, oh, the Prequels ruined it. It's like, no, they didn't. They're just their own thing. They didn't ruin anything. Yeah, yeah, that's a

thousand percent true. But just before we move on, I do like that idea of like in a sexual detective, because I imagine like a character like Sherlock would be so annoying to date, like oh yeah, I just like you just all no cap like just someone who's just a hyper detective and always trying to crack a case.

I just imagine that gets boring on I mean annoying on the day to day and you're just like, no, oh god, he would be the worst to date, truly, because like if you've ever dated someone who puts their work before you, he would always put his work before you. I thought you looked at me, did you watch any house a little? But I caught it one. I think he had love interests and yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't. I watched episodes, but I didn't watch regularly enough to

get an arc. But like you know, sometimes it's fun to give him a love interest and sometimes like right, like I love me some Rachel McAdams Like that was fun. Um, she's also the connecting I'm sorry I have to bring up MC you again, but yeah, she's yeah, see wired, like Rachel McAdams is um doctor Strange's love interest, and so that's Benedict Cumberbatch who plays Sugar Sherlock Holmes, and then she's Sherlock's Holmes love interests in Robert Downey Jr's

two thousand and nine, who's with iron Man? Who is iron Man? Yeah? So just hopping straight into that right welcome. Um, wow, has every actor who's played Carla comes got been in the MC? Or is just every actor now in the m C? There you go? Uh so we have In two thousand nine, Sherlock Holmes came out starring, uh, starring Robert Downey Jr. It was directed by Guy Ritchie Heels

of like iron Man too, so like r DJ was hot. Um. We also had Jude Law who was This was very fascinating for me to have him as Watson, because I always figured Watson was like a I'm sorry, I'm going back to the great mouse detective, and that was who shaped Like, that's kind of what I thought him as, like not bumbling, because but he's like the straight man, and he's you know, not as sophisticated, not as Debonair. He's not as dobb Debonair as Sherlock, And so that

was fascinating to have. How did you like this adaptation? I think Robert Downey Jr. Is really fun and I like him, and I think he just uses charisma. I almost think he's too charismatic for Holmes. He's too funny, you know what I mean. He's too um yeah, like not sexy. He exudes to sexual energy. He could wink and pull it off, and I don't think Sherlock Comes would know how to wink. And I think Jude Law is also she's sexy for Watson, but then again it's Hollywood. Look,

they gave him a love interest. They made them both sexy and charming. I'm like, all right, I mean, honestly, Jude Law, when I look at this picture of him, like he could have been Sherlock Holmes. Yeah, I almost kind of wish he was. He looks a little more academic, doesn't he like a little like Nerdier, Like he spends more time reading. Yeah. Yeah, So this was based on the story that you were talking about. So this particular film, did it include a past Sherlock Holmes story from Sir

Arthur Conan Doyle. You know what it included was I don't want to spoil like the came out in two thousand thing. It's totally fine, everybody, I'm sorry. But also it won't take away from the film if you know parts of it. So you know, Irene Adler, it's a totally different character then she is in the series, because again she's barely in the series. But Mark Strong plays a villain who dabbles in the occult, and like his whole villain thing is, he's like, the occult is real

and spoiler alert, it's not um. But Arthur kinn and Doyle was super into the occult. He like loved it and wrote about it all the time and wrote weird things. So I feel like they pulled uh from that really strongly, which was fun. And I do feel like they different directors and different adaptations choose different devices to show Charlotte comes thinking, because like how do you externalized thought? And in this one we got a voice over and slow moo. In the BBC version it shows up as text on

the screen, Like he gets like a little robot. He gets to like analyze things. So I just like that different directors have different approaches, you know. I think the voiceover kind of worked. I thought it was like a fun device that he would be like in slow motion, like see things play out and we get the voice over and then it would happen in fast motion. I

was like, that's fun. That's a great move. Uh. I find it also fascinating that Robert Downey Jr. Played to people that were kind of had issues with women and money and drugs. Yes, well people love the drug stuff with saw Holmes, which just look barely in the original story. I mean it's kind of because well, it's because he's too square that, you know what I mean, Like he needs advice. He can't be like this perfect robotic man that isn't tempted by anything. Well why can his vice

be Like he's bad at social interaction. Yeah, but I think there's something about him. I think it humanizes him in some ways, you know, when it makes it so he's not like this perfect so he is. I mean, how do you survive every night when you're going to bed by yourself, when you're you know, if you think of the life of this man, maybe he is actually lonely and he's taking part in other things. I've read that he's not great with money, which is why is

that sometimes why he takes these cases. And that's also why he needs a room, which is adorable. He's a middle aged man with the roommate, so he's a flatmate. Also, he one of his vices is he gets really bored easily, which like he's so smart that he shoots things into the into the wall in the series. I think it's a smiley face in the book. What is it? It's I think he's it's like he does like his her

royal highness. He does like initials, but he's just like he doesn't have an adequate read on like violence and um, like he likes murders too much, and he doesn't have a read on like causing damage and destruction in his daily life, which is fun. And then also he does cocaine. But remember in the Victorian times, everyone was doing cocaine. It was like and it was like coffee. Yeah, they like give it two babies and give your babies some tonic and it was like heroin. Yeah, what about Sherlock

Holmes A Game of Shadows? Did you enjoy that? Um that came out in also directed by Guy Ritchie. I didn't like that one quite as much. I thought it was a bit jump the sharky. How did it jump the I love Jared Harris, so he's Moriarty and I

really really love Jared Harris, uh doing anything. What I didn't like in this movie version is they brought Irene Adler back, who I always just think is stronger in the periphery because when you bring in like a female love interest, it just to me seems a little pandery. It's like, see women can be tough to I don't know,

like it always comes across the little pandery. And I think my Croft, who Sherlock's brother, wasn't quite right here, even though I do like Stephen Fry And then they do them this one is the Game of Shadows is the Sherlotte comes like face his own death one which you know we've just I've seen so many times, like that's a story that people do a lot, and so I was like, all right, but if they're doing the sequel,

he's coming He's coming back spoiler alert. So what are some of the other that we hopped to the BBC version and then the film version, But what are some of the other stories from Sherlock that you like that would like stand out to you? Oh? You know, I always come back to the Speckled Band because that was on one I read when I was really young, and that was one of the first ones where I was like, oh my god, things can be weird because the I'm going to give it away, but it's it's been so long,

you know, it's the spoiler spoiler hundreds. Um, it's a the death was caused by a snake with spots on it, Okay, And it's just it seems so silly to me at the time that as a writer you're allowed to do things like that. That that made me really excited as a child. So I love I love that. I love when things come out of left field and you just feel like, oh, they get to make things up. That's what writers get to do. And it also feels very modern and like a lot of when you're young and

you read like a lot of Victorian nurture. It feels very mannered and just like the fact that someone referred to a snake as a speckled band is just so like childish almost that you you totally get it. You're like, ah, I'm reading here now that um they're doing. So. There was a young adult series called The Nola Holmes about his little sister who's fictional. She's not in the When

did that come out? Um, like two thousand six? Cute? Um, And it's gonna be with Millie Bobby Brown, and we have going to be a movie I think as many a series, a mini series, not mini series, maybe just upcoming mystery film, no film, okay, but this was an actual book series that yeah, it was a book series with Now it's going to have Henry Cavill as Sherlock. It's like young sexy Sherlock again. I like in terms of adaptations, wait, no, oh, are we wait Henry Cavill. Yeah,

he's too hot, He's way too hot. These are this is wait. Who would you cast? Okay, who would you cast? Knowing the actors that we have today? Oh god? And if young you know, it would be a good young sherlot who he's American, so they would get mad. They never but I guess Robert Downe Jr. Is American. Timothy Shallow has the totally because right he looks like if you must have his hair, that he was up all night doing cocaine right well, and he's in he's in

Little Women? Is that is that American? Okay? Never mind? Um, you know I saw how they treated when we had Bridget Jones diary. That was a big that was controversial, having Rene's selwigger step into that. You know, British people do American things totally. Tom Holland, Yeah, Tom Holland, um and brought to be our favorite American neighborhood spider man. So Timothy Shalom, he has the look. But now I want to think of a British person who's like British

and oh, Donald Gleeson, Okay, don't don't know. I think it's don't know, don't know Gleeson. He also seems like he could do cocaine and selve mysteries. The thing I like about Timothy Shalomy is that he seems like he would be he could play that like so neurotic detective character you have to talk like doesn't care about women and actually just wants to, like, you know, solve this thing. And we're off to the laboratory. Um if you who would you cast? American, British or otherwise? Um? Yeah, good

with Timmy Tim? I think, yeah, that's your friend, your friends with Timmy Tim Tim. Yeah, he's a cool cat. He's more friends with kid Catty. Now he's posting pictures that. All right, you are kid Cutty is cooler than me. Do you think it would be too much to have Daniel Radford Radcliffe? Daniel Radcliffe give him a new franchise? Right, ell say our friend? Oh do you know who I would love? He's going to be Batman, so he's not

going to do it. But I do love Robert Pattinson. Yeah, and he's kind of weird looking, and it would be he is super weird. They kind of need to be weird. You gotta be We can't just be hot. Yeah, they gotta be a little. The weirdness makes them hot. Henry cavill is not weird at all. I wonder if he can pull it, but that's we'll see, because remember people felt that way about Robert and I just think we are people like, oh, he's like from Twilight. They study

he was hot. I'm like, no, he's a good actor, especially if you see good time and stuff. But see my thing with Henry cavill Is, Like we're talking about that jock hot and cavill Is he has the jaw of a jock. Yeah, he looks like he would stuff you in a locker and Sherlock comes has to be a nerd, has to be has to be tall, has to be gaunt because he's too busy, like he wouldn't he's too busy to work out. He can't look like he goes to the gym. He's too busy studying. Yeah,

I don't like Henry cavill Is. Who is um if if they were, if they're that obsessed with like jock energy, I would go with what's his face? He wasn't call me by your name? With Tim and Tay Army no army, young arm like armand can probably get away with it because he got that's felt fit. Yeah, Henry is superman Bill. He is like and he's doing like the Witcher, so he's still going to be built for that. Oh my gosh, I just thought of the perfect person. Rammi Malick, Oh

so twitchy. Sorry, I got fascinating. No, but I mean, like, neither is Robert Downey Jr. Everyone's just listening to our fan cast. And he can do Queen so he yeah, and he and he did Mr. Robot, which is detective. So he's already been like a detective and he's Freddie Mercury's British. Oh yeah, yeah, so did I didn't really remember watching this, But did Robert Downey Jr. Have an accent? And Okay, I mean he was Okay, let's go. He did it? Um And I mean Jude Law would have

been a good Sherlock Holmes, Rammi Malick, Rommy Malock. He would be good. He would be really good. He totally has like the like the intensity intensity and like you feel like he was up all night reading. Oh he would be so possibly doing drugs. Yeah, I will tell you my least favorite shark come that uptation. So let

me take you on a bit of a story. I was a humble young film critic for Entertainment Weekly and uh, as a Jews, I didn't have plans on Christmas, and my editors asked me if I wouldn't mind terribly going to see and review a movie that was coming out on Christmas because the movie had zero press screenings, which is always a bad sign when they're not gonna let press and critics see the movie before it comes out.

Bad sign. But since I have no plans on Christmas, traditionally the song of my pupils to go see movies anyway, I was like, sure, I'll take one for the team. So Latin two thousand eighteen, Christmas Day, Young Danish Wards goes alone to the Grove Movie Theater and sees Holmes and Watson, starring Will Ferrell and John c Riley. And it was truly the worst movie I've ever seen. Man, they're so great together. I feel like maybe they relied on improv vers so I didn't see it. I think

that was it. I think they had this idea of just like, hey, what have we put on silly hats and just talked and made jokes, And it might have been good if they if the movie was good, But it was so bad. It was so bad. And I saw it alone and the theater was silent and people there. Yeah, surprisingly, but I'm pretty sure as I was leaving, I overheard someone else be like that was the worst piece of

piece of bleep I've ever seen. The film was nominated for six Razzies and won four of them, including Worst Picture. Did they go to pick it up? I love when, um, when people go to pick up their Razzie. Fun fact halle Berry went to pick up her raze is fun. When they do that, that shows that they're good sports exactly. I feel like, if you're a comedian, it's like you're due diligence. Also, if you're as successful as Will and John are, then I think it's like, well, I've also

made the studios billions of dollars. Yeah, so I can't take it. I'm sure they had fun and I'm sure they got paid. So I'm like, I have nothing against Will Ferrell or John c Riley, but that movie was all put on Netflix. Y'all. We have to take another quick break. We're gonna hop back into Sherlock Holmes right after this. Welcome back to Narratives. An issue. Boy, if you were away sitting across from Danny Fernandez and our dope guest Dana Schwartz, uh, you know, and now we're

you know, we're coming to a close. We're gonna talk about the future Dana has some suggestions, and you know, Sherlock Holmes spans so much, like just looking through the doctors things that we didn't get to touch on, Like there was a puppet Sherlock Holmes series that they did in Japan. There's Miss Sherlock, a Japanese series. But one that I want to highlight before we ago is Sherlock Holmes in the twenty one Century, which was this animated show that I used to where it was Sherlock Holmes.

He like got frozen unfrozen in the future and was solving future crimes. That's so. But the future like present day or future like the future, the future in the twenty second century, that century that is so exciting to me. I cannot believe I've never watched. Oh yeah, it was ridiculous,

but in the best way. But yeah, you had some short stories to recommend, right, Yeah, I was going to say, if you were a fan of the Sherlock series on the BBC, I had some old Sherlock old well yes, old, some original Sherlock comes stories that are some of my favorites that I think I recommend that you would be

a fan of. There's the Adventure of the Six Napoleons, which is a good one if you remember that there was an episode of Sherlock where there were a bunch of busts of Margaret Thatcher, and that is sort of loosely based. Everything is really really loosely based. But I think it's a really good strong one is the Venture the Six Napoleons. There's one called the Adventure of the Empty House that maybe is one of my favorite ones.

Is very very spooky, and that is the one where he has to talk about his a miracle survival coming back from the day when when the fans got mad, When the fans got mad, um, and I'm learning right now. Doyle ranked The Adventure of the Empty House six on his list of twelve favorite home stories. What's his favorite? Um, let's see, oh the Speckled Band, you guys have good taste, good job, Arthur Conan Doyle and eighth grade Dana Um. And then a Scandal in Bohemia is the one with

Irene Adler. So people really like that one, and that's a good one to go to. Not the premise of that is there is a scandalous photo. It's like a revenge porn situation. There's a scandalous photo that's someone needed to track also in with a lot. Also a really fun one is a Redheaded League, which I want to spoil because the resolution is so funny and so like

it seems so modern. It's someone who was like digging into a bank to rob it, you know what I mean, like such a thing to like dig through and like well just sneaking through. So like that is such a funny, old timey resolution. There's like an old timey villain plot that it's so charming to me dig under the bottom and then yeah, you don't see it coming, Yeah, exactly. I did want to say. So. My favorite the Hound of the Baskervilles. There was several films of it. There

was a nine nine one. If you want to, you know, spook yourself out this Halloween, you can watch it black and white. There was the Hound of the baskerville Is in nineteen fifty nine. There was also a nineteen three one, and I was like, I'm pretty sure I've seen an animated one. There's like two different animated ones that you can watch on YouTube, um that are really creepy just because it's creepy old animation. UM. So that's called Sherlock

Holmes in the Basketball Curse. It's three. It's an Australian animated television film by Graham. Really kind of creepy looking, but I think that's the one that I saw when I was little. Maybe that sounds of Scooby Doo. I love it. Yeah, that's Garville Curse, yes, I think, oh yeah, And then we have the film, so apparently the film's coming out. I'm excited. I love I do like detective movies. It's so pure. It's like I also really liked um. Not to not to change the subject from comms, but

Hercule Pero, the Agatha Christie UM. And there was that Kinneth Branda Murder on the Express, which I thought it was very ambitious to even make a new Murder on the Orient Express when the original is show beloved and like perfect. Um. But I heard that they're making a second one of that too, and I'm excited. I like, let people indulge in Victorian uh crime solving dramas. My detective stuff growing up was Nancy Drew. I never got

into Nancy Drew. I did, yeah, my mom kind of passed that down to me, although I did have the computer. Oh I loved it. It was very scary. It was like a haunted hotel. Were you into Harriet the Spy? Um? I was more into Encyclopedia Brown and Cam Jansen. Yeah. Yeah, I was definitely a Nancy drew Scooby Doo um loved though still love those on Boomerang, The Hardy Boys. Harriet the Spy I definitely did. I was super into spy

and detective stuff. It's really satisfying when you're a kid because the plot structures are really like the rules of the plot are really clearly defined, like case clues, red Herring, case solved. Like I think that when you're a kid, it's really satisfying and even now as an adult, I'm always satisfied by that story structure. Yeah. I think it influenced me as a writer for sure. Um. Yeah. So the Sherlock Holmes three coming dropping in. It will be

starring Robert Downey Jr. Rachel McAdams, Jude Law. This time it's going to be Dexter Fletcher directing. Not Guy Ritchie. Oh, he's a He did the Queen Movie, right, He's the guy he was the ringer for. He did Eddie the Eagle Rocket Man, he did rocket Man. No, but he's the one who replaced Brian Singer on He's he got a band of brothers. He appeared in Guy Ritchie's lock Stock into smoking Barrels. Do you think they're friends? Yeah, it might seem like also did Doom. So I'm nothing

for you to think about it? Sure? Why not? Dana? Where can everyone catch you on Twitter with Danish Wartz with three zs and listen to Noble Blood which is a podcast wherever you get your podcasts, so wherever we're listening to this, Yes, I'm at Miss Danny Fernandez on All the Things. Um, I will be at New York Comic Con. What day is this? I still can't announce my panels, but I think that I have probably by now when this drops on Twitter. I will definitely announce

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