Episode 73: The Eternals

subject and it's timely. It's timely. The news just broke this past last week. Yeah, you know, there are definitely folks who are like, what the heck? Well, now you're hyped because you're like, oh, I finally can figure out about the the eternals, you know, the eternals d E turnals. I was hyped one because Kumel very excited to see him and Selma Hiak who doesn't age, and I'm just so she is mommy and she is also highly recommend checking out her Instagram because she's emo as hell. She's

I kid you not. If he she had she had several posts of her just being washed away by the ocean and it was it was like and somebody was like, oh, is this a photo shoot? She's like, no, this is just on vacation and it was just her being in the water and letting the water like rush over her face. It was the most emo thing ever. And I'm like, yes, I used to make my friends do this in like the woods or something with me, like surrounded by leaves,

taking like the most emo my chemical romance. Avril Levine of course, like you, we can't leave out my man's paperboy ak Brian Tyree him. Yeah, yeah, just and which he was pointing out he is now part of the m c U and the DC universe because he's going to be in the Joker as well. Oh yeah, he's part of all the universe and he's in in the Spider Verse. Yeah, all the all the all the universes, the Sony now the now Sony Universe. But without further ado,

I definitely want to introduce our guests. Great all around dude, host of the Mad Titan podcast, stand up comic funny. You've seen him on screen Junks, You've seen him on Collider, You've seen him literally anywhere you can see nerdy people do nerdy things. Give it up for Jay Washington. Yet, happy to be here, very thank you for having me. Seriously, I'm glad to be on here with you. Was there anyone that you were really excited that was announced in

the internals? I think the paper Boy announcing was so dope. And the Game of Thrones reunion to basically put Rob Stark and John Snow back together, Yeah, you know that was kind of dope. Um, the Stark boys at it again again to get Angelina Jolie and see you and not just in a cameo. You know what I'm saying. Because you hear Angelie Joe, You're like, all right, she's gonna have a small role. No, she's a main part

of this. And you're like, okay, but there's no way she would take a smart because she is Maleficent, so she's in that Disney universe. But at the same time, it's like a lot of people just want to be a part of the m c U now because it's so big. So you know, some people like, look, I'll just take a role whatever you got and to have her and like you said, sell my Kiyak out of all people like I could see eventually Angela and Jolie being being maleficent. But then sem mahare like yo, somebody

was like, this is what you should do. That was probably her. Her agent was like, yo, I got the perfect thing. And the fact that they did because of what she's playing, uh leam MQ and Laura Riddolf, what they're doing with their characters. Their genda been in three of the eternals. So that's so dope, you know what I'm saying That they've shown marble showing like, look, we don't we don't have to stick to the norm what the comic books were. You know, we can change a

man to a woman or vice versa. That's why it really bothered before we hop into a we're geeking out about That's what really bothered me about She When the she Hulk announcement happened and I tweeted, oh, I would love to have like a beefy actress, like that's just thick like playing it, and they were like, um, one, she's like she's always she Hulk, she doesn't transform, which is not true. Um. And then because there are iterations where she chooses to huh and she yeah, I mean

it takes two seconds to google but whatever. Um and then it just seemed like people were making up excuses for her to not be thicker. I just pointed out, I'm like, you know, all of our female superheroes live action, they're all size six and under, which you know is I'm not body shaming at all. I think that's fine, but I would love to see if we're talking about I want to see a six five woman beat the dog crabbing. Also, a lot of people forget about she Hulk.

She has a hyper sex drive. That's one of the things about her character. Because of her getting at Gammer, it just enhanced her sex drive. So I want to yo gamma radiation make you want the Hulk was immune. Hey, look, we don't know how much the Hope was smashing on scar like, but it just was so they were like, wouldn't she be Like wouldn't she like people are just coming up with But also they were like, how how are we going to ever find an actress? Like I'm like,

are you kidding me? Also, the w W E y'all were so quick to take in freaking the Rock and John Cena and um Dave Batista like you're so willing to take in them and believe them. But like when it comes to a woman that maybe a lot of the women now are shorter in the w w E. But that's what I mean. She hope doesn't necessarily if we're gender bending, or if we're like, don't have to go entirely off source material. I don't think she has to be eleven naturally. I think that you can put

her in something. I think that we can cheat the camera a little bit, maybe, like we put Tom Cruise on Apple boxes for everything. You know, Camara is green and it's an interesting green and like you guys are a chill with Thanos, Like you know, when everyone saw him was like whoa what and then you guys just everyone loves it. So anyways, what I'm saying is like, please just be open, for the love of God, Like just you don't have to have you're talking about the

world today. We're being open is the thing that people just don't want to do. It just felt like when I asked for thicker actresses, everybody had a reason to not cast them, and I was like, but I want to she hulk that can crush my head with her thighs, Like that's what I want to see, and um, anyways, I think that's good representation having different body types absolutely,

for like, let that look, let me taste up. If the dude don't want a woman with thick throw with you in your life, yeah, we'll have different body types up there. That would be great. So we started a podcast with what We're sinking out about? Jay? What are you sinking out about? This? For me, it was the announcement of the d twenty three shows. But on top of that, it's not even really comic book and nerdy stuff. It's this Little Brother album that came out made The

Loyal Watch album has been so dope. I've never played something and repeat so many times in my life in my life. And also, I just saw the Titan season two trailer. Now in the Fanta season one but I was like, okay, y'all got me with this one? You got me with that? Seems to be like the general consensus is people like, oh, I wasn't no season one the season dude, this is this one gotta look like

heat right here. Well, because I'm a death stroke fan, So anytime you bring death Stroke in, as long as you can do them justice, I'm good with it, and East Time Morale seems to be a good choice for them, the way they got him looking like Slade Wilson. Uh, it's just a matter of seeing what they do in the series. Because the whole tightened series, if you haven't seen it, it is literally just how Dick Grayson becomes night Wing. That is literally a whole pot of the show.

At the end of the day, it's just Dick Grayson's evolution in the night Wing, but we have to have these other steps along the way. So I mean, I'm a fan. I'm a fan of what the DC universe is trying to do minus Swamp thing. So because Wolf that was rough, But you didn't like Swamping. Hell No, I didn't. Because it didn't. I understand it got canceled early, and I understand that also there was a lot of interference from Warner Brothers from studio, but the show didn't

have an identity. You brought James wanting to make a horror show, so by that, you know, by that standard, I was automatically in. But then you saw the first episode it was horror based. Second episode was like, all right, this is this exposition now, But then it switched over and it became more about aby R Cane as opposed to swamp Thing, and I'm like, I don't need the story of aby Ar Cane. This is not her show. It's about swamp thing. And then I again with it

being cut. I understand, but they were doing so many things that where they knew they were cut, they were setting up like, hey, we might get a season two. No you're not. You set up so much unnecessarily, so that frustrated me with that dzang, that's cool and we gotta do a swamp thing, you know that that was good. I guess for me the big thing I was geeking

out about it. It has been like a good music drop because you had a little brother, let's not forget Missy Elliott Rady and then uh, there's so much like it's just been lots of music too in the summer strong too, So that's definitely been fun. I think the personal thing I've been learned out about is uh, Naomi is really in the PJ mask and like it's it's

been her life. But it's been real interesting to watch because it's the first time of like watching her for the first time experience like fandom where it's like, oh, like I'm into this and I want every piece of this, I want every juice of it. And then I then I kind of started getting like hyper philosophical with they where it was like, oh, p J. Mask is like you know superheroes on training wheels for kids, because they're like getting like the archetypes, the enemies, they like the

tropes and so like, I'm really excited to you. As we head into uh sp October, get a Surpriser with her little outlet outfit. My daughter loves it to My daughter is going crazy about I had a DVD they sent me. Wanted the company send me one. I didn't even remember requesting it, and I faced time my daughter. I was like I got something that She was like what I just mask? Yeah, like dad, he's gonna send it. Calm damn. Yeah, it's it's been wild like she uh

just in her room. I set up the bed and then I give her like p J Mass betting and like she kept like it was like a p J Mass pillow with all three of them on on it, like yo, and like she kept like fluffing her pillow and like looking at it and putting it Like I was like, Okay, well this is the first time, Like it's it's it's jumping from that. Like now she's at the age where like you can give them a gift and they they do appreciate, like they're like, I like

this that that you did? Good dad? Yeah? Is she into Daniel Tiger? Now? Was she? She'll mention him? You know she she mentions him like yeah, like they definitely, you know, I know they're probably communicating about that at school because she mentions him, but she's not asking for him on the screen. And when Yeah, it was wild. We were in the car and she made me like she was. I was listening to you know, uh, you know,

it's definitely getting real into sad boy faul. I've been listening to My Drake and Weekend on repeat, and she had her fingers in her ear and I was like, what's up, baby? Do you do you want to listen to something? And she's like yeah, p j MASK. I'm like, you want to listen to p JMS? You want to listen to the theme song? And she's like yeah, put on.

Of course Spotify had the day. She was happy and then like I was like, oh, they have a whole album where people they're just nonsense songs based off of each of the characters, and she was jamming and I had to put my foot down. Was like, I can't listen to this bag. This is a rap. We're going back to Drake. We're going back to Drake. How dare you? UM?

The thing that I'm geeking out about, I guess we're all doing personal things is a personal thing that I started to do was TMS, which is transcranial um stimulation. People do it for depression and PTSD. I've known about it for years, um and actually Neil Brennan talks I think he talks about it in his special we He and I both uh did a different treatment before that that we both hated UM at the same doctor. And then I've been wanting to do TMS, which they essentially

stimulates like electrodes. They stimulate your head um if you suffer from depression. They also do it for anxiety as well. And UM, yeah, it used to be really expensive. Now it's covered by insurance or there's places that will work with you, so it's like not as expensive. UM. But anyways, just really cool. I've had to go in every single day, every Monday through Friday. I go in like every day Monday through Friday for six weeks and I'm hitting my

six week. So to me, that's really dope that we live in a time that you can what's the feeling like from from then to now? For you, it just feels like I spiral less, Like you know, we live in a really tough the world is tough in general,

and everything on the news is just so devastating. So me, I'm very empathetic, Like I'm an EmPATH, Like I just feel that entirely, and I've been super open even on this podcast about depression and but the own that we're in, you're at the mercy, Like you can have a perfect audition.

I know, because I had a friend of mine who literally had like they called him and we're like, you were perfect, Like that was the best audition that we've seen, and they still went with someone else, because that happens sometimes they want someone else or they just and that can that can be soul crushing, That can be so soul crushing that it was like there's nothing else I could have done more, And so you just have to kind of be resilient, be resilient. And so for me, Um,

I have found that it helps me spiral less. It feels like I was actually telling an open mic eagle this because if you and I were talking about him before this, it feels like um. At first, it feels like taps on your head and just like someone taking their nail, kind of like just tapping one spot in your head. But as they increase the intensity, which me I have a high pain threshold so I can handle it, it kind of feels a little bit like someone tattooing in your head. Not in a bad way though, just

like an electric h That's what it feels like. Do you remember those games they used to have in your okay where you had to hold the handrails and it's vibrated super hard. Yeah, kind of like that. It's kind of like that. And you want to know something really funny if he is that they'll play something for you while it's only like a couple of minutes really, but they'll play something on Netflix or whatever for you if you want to watch it. And I always say no

because I just want to meditate during that time. But some when my first day I came in, was watching Ricky Gervases stand up and I was like, oh, I feel like this is gonna undo my t I was like, I don't want to. They're like, do you want to finish watching this? I was like no, And then the person like that. I came in the next day, They're watching Queer. I'm like, this is much better. But yeah, I was like, no, I do not want to watch

trick or device what I'm trying to undo. Somebody watching the Quentin Tarantino watching Django, you like, I just I don't want somebody to just constantly are you triggered? Are you triggered the whole time of it? Anyway? So I thought that was cool. Um, kind of guinea pigging myself. But you can research it if it's something that you think that you might benefit from. So um, yeah, all right, well let's jump right into it. We're gonna jump right

down and do the Nitt degree we normally do. Lead let off to a little public publication history and that early stuff. Then we'll probably kick to a break before we really jump into it. But first off and foremost, we're talking about the Eternals. And the Eternals are a fictional rates of humanoids appearing in the American comic books published by Marvel Comics. They're described as an offshoot of

the evolutionary process that created sentient life on Earth. Original instigators of this process, the alien Celestials, intended the Eternals to be defenders of Earth, which leads to the inevitability of war against their destructive counterparts, the Deviants. The Eternals were created by Jack Kirby and made their first appearance and the Eternals number one in July of nineteen seventy six. So, ja, can you talk us through the So they're humanoid appearing,

but they're not humans. All right, here's the best analogy for you. You remember that movie Prometheus. Yeah, remember how it was where the giants basically took humans and all that stuff to make the Xenomorphs. They were basically trying to make better humans. They wanted to make humans that were better to be able to protect humans on Earth. So they did these experiments, used these cosmic radiations and

gave them all. They all of them have the same abilities, but it's just varied as to which can do so. To an extent, they are immortal, but some aren't. You know. They all have super strength, They can flies, shoot cosmic beams out, things like that. So they basically enhanced all these different individuals, but depending on what their proximity is to certain things, it varies. They can teleport, they can transmutate,

they can do all these different things. So you're talking about the race that ended up spawning in humans, mutants and going on forward. So that's what they are, and it's just it also ties a lot into various mythologies,

Greek and Romans. Yeah, so actually Jack Kirby was working on New Gods at d C. He had left Marvel Comics and he went to work at uh d C and made New Gods, but then it got canceled until he returned to the Eternal So wonder if that would have influenced well that you can see, Yeah, yeah, you can see the influence in a lot of different crossover

type things from the artists and the creators. Again, you'll go to the New Gods and the Eternals, You'll go to Apocalypse and I mean you know dark Side and Thanos, You'll go to even Deadpool and you know death Stroke. So you'll always see those when the creators go because those different influences different places. But yeah, also the fact that you use this lore in this mythology again, Thor's

mythology is based off Norse mythology. When you go to Moon Night is based off of Egyptian mythology, So you just utilize that and just change it over a little bit to add the superpowered elements behind it. Yeah. So it says when the Celestials visited Earth five million years ago and performed genetic experiments on early proto humanity, they created two divergent races, the long lived Eternals and the genetically unstable and monstrously grotesque deviance. I just love that.

That's like yeaheah, the way they broke it down, but also like just hopes that we see is like you create this like perfect beat and then this like yeah, I wish it's bad that we both did something nobody could. What is the igor whatever? Yeah. Yeah, So these experience also led to the capacity for superpowered mutations in humans. I guess what I didn't know is you're saying that

the Eternals led to X men. They primarily led to the inhumans, but said as mutants if you go further down mutations and whatnot, and that's what they're probably gonna do in the movie. You think that introduce they're going to utilize this because this way you can say, how was the mutations? They lie dormant and a lot of people because even the story with the Eternals, they end up losing their memories. Spright ends up doing this thing

that makes them lose their memory. They forget who they are, so they live regular lives, with the exception of Icarus, who kind of remembers. He's like, I think I was something else. And then eventually something happens when they all remember and it it unlocks that latent dormant Jean with

the X Men. And this way you can do it is everyone's had it and then all of a sudden, the snap opened it up right right, So I didn't know that they also so they also performed this experiment on other planets such as the Cree and Scroll that we saw from Captain Marvel as well as Spider Man Far from Home. Remember Ben Mendelsohner process with them. He was curate, WI, yes, you're so right, which that is now a mess? Uh. Look. According to Sony, the post

credit scenes never happened. That's pretty much how you're going to do that movie. The post credit scenes never happened. Everything else was cool. Okay, okay, we have to take a really quick break. We're going to hop into more of the history of the Eternals right after this. And we are back still here with Jay Washington. So I know that there are a lot of maternals. Like what number are we thinking? Uh? A lot? But the movie will have how many main seven? About eight or nine?

Eight or nine? So can you walk us through? So we're gonna have Athena, who's the daughter of Zuras. She's also she was also known as a Zura. So that's being played by Angelo and Jolie. She had to change her name because of Athena. Oh yeah, because of the God. Wait, so, so can you talk us through her? Like? What is she? She's a She's a warrior. She's a warrior. She battled. She was one of the ones me pull that right back. I had I remembered with her. She's very much a

powerful one. She she fights alongside and she definitely tries to help stop a lot of the wars and everything that goes on throughout the interns with the different battles. They have battles amongst themselves before they even have the battles with the Devians because there is a civil war that happens that it causes them to split off because when there are the offshoots, when you have let's go back to be it, when you have the Eternals, they go to Earth. They make the Eternals on Earth. They

want to make the protectors. Some don't want to stay there, some leave. Do you blame them? No? Did they know what was gonna happen? You know? This is the funniest thing of all time is that every hero, every superhero that comes here wants to save Earth or like stay at Earth. And I'm like, I feel like in the real world this would not They'd be like, no, we're good. That's the planet. This is what There's two planets over there, there's there's other planets. Um, okay. So so she is

a warrior. She is a definite war She's like, she's the daughter of one of the head. Do they age, They age, but not like us. So they age supper slow. So that's what gives them the immortality look like for instance, uh Macars who basically becomes Max Curry. She's gonna be played by Laura Radolf red Law excuse me because of her abilities and moving so fast and constantly running and she exudes her abilities, it makes her vulnerable. Okay, so like using up your ability can be like, oh now

you can be killed. So but they still age slow. That's how they they're going to be able to be around this entire time. They're not directly immortal, if that makes sense. They are, they're considered it more like the gods. They're not even consider them immortal. But they're just old. They're they're more immortal than humans. Yes, yeah, okay, yes, and you know, so they age really slow. Are we talking like she might be ten for like a thousand

years or something? Is that? But they but they're but they start out as babies, right, I'm sorry that you have to walk me through their history. If someone's pregnant, that does happen. So she does have she does have a son with a human who does end up adapting. All. Normally, when they have the eternals have sons with humans, you have children humans, not just sons. The child normally is human. In the case of penas son, her son had abilities

and as a regular eternal. So it's a rarity. So they are, you know, some are born, some are just created. So you have that long line goes down because technically Thanos is an eternal Wow, you're blowing my mind here, And did know that that Dannis is an eternal Danis his dad is in the Turn, his mom is from Titan.

So that's why he's the mad tight wow, because because he was, and because he was, so even when it goes that's one of the things about the film, will probably see him be born, will more than likely see him be born. The gosh a little baby Thanos. Someone used to go in time and kill him. It's like the baby Hitler. That was the that's actually the concept

of cosmic ghostwriter. Yeah, where he tries to go back in time and so he actually because even when you go to him, he kills his mother and dissects her because he looks different. He wants to know, why is it he looks different? Why does he have this rigid chin? Why does he have this purple skin? This man has always been Oh yeah, he's always been. It's just him. It was just him and his brother, and then he

always looked different and he was picked on. So he was basically an incident so quickly facing So yeah, so you have all these different things. You know, he is one of those. He's an offshoot as a product, but he became the dev and almost type. But he wasn't super Girl. Testing just was different. He just was different.

So you have these offshoots that are born. There are different generations, like five generations of Eternals that have happened, but there's a the movie is going to focus on one particular batch because that way you can go and spawn for a n E. MCU with the Costan version. Okay, so we heard about Angelina Julie's character, what about Kamel's. So Kamale is gonna play Kingo. He's a master swordsman. He really is just like a real chill dude. He

likes making weapons. He's the things that he's gonna do when he becomes a human in a sense in mental state, because it's not like he's actually a human. He forgets that he is eternal. So he's a master sworceman. So when you have somebody like this who is weapons advanced and everything. He has the abilities, but you're using Kamale and Agiani, you're like, this is gonna work, but it's gonna be funny. It's gonna be funny with with what

he does because there are other warriors. You have donal Lee, who was playing Gilgamesh was also a warrior who has been confused to people like Hercules down the line again Greek and Roman mythology. You have him probably will figure out how the iteration, well, the interaction excuse me with him and Kid Harrington, who's basically the Black Knight, because the Black Knight ends up having this relationship with Cercy, who was played by Jim and Chan. So it's just

so many things. Like you have that character when you go to a Kinggo who was just like, I live by myself. I pretty much chilled by myself. I make weapons, but I know how to use them. I still have these abilities. I like to be reserved. You have Gilgamesh who was more just like I really want to be by myself. I really want to be alone. Chorus is cocky. That's where we get the legend from Chorus copy, and

that's Richard. Richard Madden's character. Sprite is like a little trickster that always likes to manipulate things like a very tiny Loki with the with the long lasting Benjamin button disease. So you have these different because Sprite is like ten tho years old but it looks like a twelve year old and Leah MQ who's play Anger, is as cute as a button. Yeah, just as cute as a button. So you have it's gonna be confusing for a lot of people because everybody like, wait, what is all this for?

This is the biggest exposition plot device film the n m c U has ever done. The word to lay the groundwork going forward completely is there? Do they consider Earth home or so you have the so the Celestials made the Eternals that stay on Home, that's home. They live on Olympia. They have their own spot called Olympia. They have their home. But then you have the other ones who lived on Titan Saturn's moon i Ethanos. So they do call Earth home. So it's it's going to

be very There's a battle that had. They fight New York, they fight in London, they fight all over. After they realize who they are, they end up working for the They end up working with the Avengers. The Black Knight goes joins the heroes for Higher at one point in a comic degoration. So you have all these different things that can happen. Again, you're laying the groundwork for a

very long streight to your next two phases. It really because I think I think if you go back and listen to some nertives, and that was my guess, was that we're going cosmic. They said it. Yeah, they said it for a while, and you have to you know,

you think I'm sorry to cut you off. You think it's simple with just saying, oh, but we just did Captain Marvel and Guardians of the Galaxy too, and blah blah blah, and now we're instantly cosmic, and it's like, no, there's a whole bigger level of this that people don't even get yet. So I wonder if like this is all gonna lead to annihilation. I think everybody's more focused on secret Wars because annihilation was easy. Everybody thought that's

what end game was. Would have been annihilation, everybody thought that's what endgame was. And now that that whole thing is through, it's now building up to this real big thing that's gonna happen again, and it's not gonna be just a regular at the end of phase four. This is what's happening. This is gonna be like another two

three phases, everything comes together. So again it may be Annihilation, but more than likely Secret Wars because of what we're building in now, especially with the Marvel Studios Disney Plus shows. My secret words are we talking about the scrolls and super scroll Invasion Superscroll invasion. But again you have how did the super Scrolls come? You can use this whole thing from the Eternals with them making the deviance, with the Deviance experiment on Kral Worlds, the croll the screen

of Kral Worlds to do those things. You can have those things open that door, you lay the groundwork in the foundation, which is interesting because they've kind of painted scrolls in this like nice light so that you know or they did. And I thought about that until I watched Captain Marvel one more time. When you see technically Ben Mendelson's character gets shot and you think he's killed, watch his kid's face. His kid has a face like the daughter and kill Bill like I will come back

and kill everybody. And that's how you turn somebody evil, find the ways to defeat who you thought were the good guys. You have those things happen. That's gonna be fun. So can you tell me some of your favorite moments of The Eternals in the comics, there moments that stand out that we're like, oh, this is dope, this is brutal. They have they had this movement where they fought, they were fighting, and they thought they were fighting Kane the Conqueror,

but it wasn't. It was one of the eternals actually making them think it was Wow. I love that. There's like when you said before they even before they even left, like they got in a fight with each other. That's Kane enabled stuff right there. Technically, that's what it is. It's always it's always a Cane enable a civil war type thing before lack of better words, it's always a battle within, and that battle within always has the casualties

being humans because we're caught in the middle of it. No, I mean when you were like and they fought in New York and like, how terrifying of a world to live in, Like this is just so hilarious to me. If like, if you actually considered living in the Marvel world and it's like you just have people constantly like tearing down bridges and I wouldn't live in New York from home New York, I would never live in New York. Again, Yeah, I don't live in any city, but definitely not New

York because that's where everything takes place, everything is happening. Know, I'm looking at the news. People still live there, and how is their insurance? Not like, how are two thousand dollars for a studio? It was just an alien evasion round the corner. But paying attention to that. But you had had you have had them fight with against Kang, You've had them fight against each other, You've had them

fight against Apocalypse. You've had them do so many different battles that again, they did get recognition because of who the characters are. They're just it's like, all right, this is the eternals, this is Is there one or two that you feel people really gravitate towards that stand out from the others. A lot of people don't know the comics. I mean a lot of people will go towards Chorus

because of his cocky attitude. A lot of people will go towards they make, or towards giggl Mass because of who he was, you know, compared to throughout history, all the different ones, Samson, Beowulf, Hercules, things like that, um a Jack. A lot of people don't know Cercy is one as well, Um, the Black Knight. The only reason I bring him up is because he's not an internal directly. But his sword was actually in Doctor Strange. Uh, people don't know that it was in the House of Relics

with Oh yeah didn't um. Scott Derrekson tweeted and he was like, yeah, I'm surprised it took people that long to see it, well because nobody paid attention to like it takes those people who stopped, you know, stop the movie. And he just pausitive and Hector Navarro man like every time he want, what do you see here? What do you see here? What do you see here? There's nothing Hector Navarro doesn't know that he already knows, like probably

what phase? What or phase are we in? I think he already he knows every inch of every comic ever written. I wouldn't remember. I went to Hector's all apartment. He has a comic books on comic books, on comic books, just sitting all over the place. But you have these characters who again they're not popular characters, right, but that's Marvel's um success a galaxy. Yeah, well, I mean iron Man to be honest, Like who cared about iron character?

Captain America just to a certain extent. Even Yeah, Captain America was not a very prominent he was just Captain America. Yeah, he wasn't a super like you got to have a Captain America comic book. I almost feel like maybe they had to do that with what they were going up against. When you have someone that's Batman and Superman, which were the most known, most distributed, most product place, like you know,

you just they were the icon. They were the superheroes from the beginning, that you have to almost do something a real little risky to take away from Yeah, casting Robert Downey Jr. Is iron Man is the most risky thing you can do, Absolutely very risky, and I think he related to the character the most out of anyone. I think if he was going to bring something as a struggling alcoholic that needed a second chance, and he found that in Tony Stark. What better person that can

play that than someone that's lived that life. Yeah, I know that, which was so interesting because that was like such a big part of Tony Stark's character is how much of an alcoholic he was and recovering. And they never really touched on that in the They teased the demon in a bottle, not Iran too when he was getting drunk because he was dealing with the poison and from a palladium. They tease it, but they never because it's again, it's Marvel, it's Disney. They're not going to

go deep into Tony Starks and alcoholic. Yeah, although now they're definitely creeping into I mean they're they're definitely bringing in stuff, and I think these Disney Plus series are too, are going to I just wonder how far they'll go. Well, I will say, I mean I think they might have announced this, uh, I mean they they touched on it.

But the way that was that it was told to me by someone who was able to be lucky enough to go into the hive mind of Disney and get like the phases laid out, um, is that you know, they're really touching. Just like in the comic when Sam Wilson became uh Captain America, there was the whole plot about you know America not one Yeah, and they and that's what they're gonna approach in the TV series. You know, they're actually gonna go into that, which is interesting because

I thought they might have shied away from that. But that that opens and forces a very important discussion, uh that you know, MCU fans are now going to have to look stare it in the face. Well, they did let I felt like with Black Panther, they really let them make jokes that I don't think they would have been able to five years ago. You can do it. It's open. It's they're like, hey, you can make it here. If anything else. I think also Ryan probably had it.

Ryan Coogler had a big part in that. I think that he was like, no, we're going to do this. It's just one of those things too that I think, Um, I think I've said it before. Whereas like, as much as I hated how long it took, that's the only way we could have gotten the version that we've gotten. Because by the time Black Panther was out, Marvel was in their bag a bit. They're like, we can take risks.

We've we've kind of mastered this kind of space, so we'll let you know, Googler have the freedom to push it. I feel like if it would have came out any earlier, they would have there would have been a lot of pushback, a lot of worries, a lot of this, a lot of that but just I think as a as a society, the zeitguys and as a company, they were just willing to just give a little more freedom and it paid off.

And now it's because I mean, I'm sure we still got a version that was noted down a bit, you know, it just wasn't like fully you know, they they gave him some wins. So too, I think it's gonna while out because now with the chip on that, Now that they got the chip, you know, they can't tell him nothing. You thought they were calling people colonnazes before in the first Just wait to what you see in this second. Oh, man, Ja, can you tell everyone about a Jack because we did

kind of skip over her. Oh yeah, that's selling Hyak's character. She is the leader of everybody. She is one of those one again. She was just she's a man in the comics, a strong warrior, dominant, powerful, has been able to battle up against uh Urinos, who was one of the other has who split off and has never backed down. And so to have somebody like selling play play that character, it's going to I cannot wait. Did you see the saw the concept art of the costume, right, So it's like,

let's see what the cos players are gonna look like. Well, just keep following her Instagram people, Okay, you're stalking of her Instagram. But yeah, she's gonna be the one that makes sure she lays everything down. We'll start figuring things out as well. Again figure it out like again, her identity will be taken away from her. She won't remember who She'll be in somewhere like in Russia and won't

remember who she is until something happens. So that it depends on also if they decide to go the route of is the snap gonna do it? It's something else gonna do it? You know, is the waking of the dream and Celesti you're gonna do it. All these different elements have to be put in a place to figure out how do you make them remember who they are? Because we're gonna see the beginning. We know it's a Marvel movie, so it's probably two and a half hours.

The first half hour shows you the thirty five years ago, the time back when everything started, gives you all that shows you to split off potentially, like I said earlier, the Thano's birth. Then we go to the present day. However we go that way, then we see what happens with the Devons how they come back, because they're still on Earth and they come back, they still on Earth

anyar en dormant. They're like basically the Decepticons were in the Transformer series, how they were there, but nobody ever knew the Devons will be there. Then we figure out how they come into it. Wake up the eternals, wake up their inside personalities. Boom, we go into this battle. We get Brian Tyree Henry who's potentially working, like I said, as an engineer or somebody with a big gass hammer alive thor here's his own hammer fast with a hammer

that is shoots out lightning, well, shoots out energy bolts. Yeah, so you talked a little bit about their powers. Um, I know they obviously have superhuman strength, superspeed flight, energy blast, molecular manipulation, telekinesis, teleportation, I get it all control. Yeah, and that's one of the things. And they have a thing where they come to collect collective as a unimone.

It's a one giant celestial they I mean not celestial, excuse me, internal they make which is like okay, so they form up like Voltron, got it, let's make this happen. So we'll see how that goes again. More than likely that will happen if you end up bringing up the dream of celestial because you need somebody just as powerful as a celestial who created the eternals to battle the eternals. Why do you think that people, I mean the people that did read the comics, what do you think made

them gravitate towards the eternals? Somebody different, something different, something different. And also those people who were interested in mythology. If you're if you're a history buff, if you love mythology, that's why you go in the thor that's why you love everything about Asgar. You want to find all these things out. So when you hear oh man, so they were at Olympia, which is like Greece to them, and they have all these things. Oh wow, all these things connect.

So this is Mercury, you know, saying this is the god of the sun and who runs fast, and I'll let You're like, okay, so I want to learn more about it. But then you get that superhero element on top of it, and so now you're like, okay, how does this keep going? And at the point they kind of slow it down it's like, all right, well, I'm gonna go gravitate over to the different iterations of the Avengers, or maybe the Defenders, or even the West Coast Avengers

or whatever else they may bring. The X Men, for instance. Yeah, I didn't ask you up top, But what was your first introduction to them? Me being at home at uh me be at home, and after going to Walgreens and buying comics on the racks, because I'd already read X Man, I read Spider Man. I read all of them, and I just happen to see in the turn. I was like, all right, cool, my grandmother bought it from me. Three all of let's go and so, because I always so

I would never be able to just go out. I always told everybody I never went outside, just normally in my neighborhood because I grew ucausey were always shooting. So I buy comic books, and so I'd already read, like I said, X Man, Spider Man, fantastic for all this, got introduced to Black Panther, and then I saw this when I was like, all right, I haven't read this one, so cool, this is nice. Let me find out about another one and another one. Let me go to the

comic book shop and so you read those. I didn't stay fully into it. I read enough to like, yo, I know about these, And then when I got this Marvel Cosmic book and made me go right back and research more again because I'm like, oh, yeah, we are going to comic cosmic phase for the Marvel, for the m c U and stuff like that. Can you talk about some of their relationships with each other? Like I said earlier, Uh, the Black Night and Certacy, they do this thing called the Joe she Gat. It's like they

have a bond together. Uh. Icarus is Druid's cousin. Drewid is played by Barry Kagan. I think that's his name. I can't know if I'm pronouncing it right. But they have relations a lot of my family, father and son, daughters, cousins. Again, you have people like Yogamesh who just wanders. You have kings. Some of them hate each other, they don't like each other. Some I mean they they're meant to be protected, They're meant to be this global force of heroes together for Earth.

But at the same time, it's like, if we're all together all the time, I don't like you. Maybe they shouldn't have made them so human. You know, what can we turn? Did you notice her face? She was like, I got this moment. I'm gonna drop it drop. That's That's the one thing. There are two moments that no one at home will get to see. One is that moment where she had this face like I'm about to hit your meat. In second, well, you were mentioning how

powerful some my Hikes character was. Danny was leaning back, she was letting it wash over her, like, yes, just give me all. You know, it's really weird. We have to take a really quick break right out, just randomly, and we will be right back after this. And we're back still here, joined by Jay Washington. Did anybody ever tell you have that quiet storm drive home night off work at midnight voice? People will get that she's um

syndicated everywhere. Um, But Jay, what are some things about the Eternals that people should know going into if they don't know, or just in general that we might have glossed over. I didn't bring up the fact that also in the process of the mutations with the devins, you did get the inhumans. So this movie actually is the replacement for the inhuman Wait what happened with it's not

coming out. Yeah, you didn't see the clips from the there's just one clip him remembering that was The New Mutants, which is never coming out either. Yeah, there was a cut scene where black Bolt has a flashback that just looks so you know, the one where his parents are yelling and he's like no, yes. Basically, so Asimo played black Boat and his ability was he can't talk because if he talks, his voice will just it's like the

voice that God, it'll just explode. So his parents with chastise me about something against his brother and then do something. He was like no and then just exploded against the wall. But that sounds awesome, But the show was terrible. But yeah, so this was like Grantedy and Humans were supposed to come earlier. Was it ever released. Yeah, the whole eight episodes went on ABC, and the first two episodes appeared in Imax theaters and people paid like dollars to see that. Nonsense.

This was in Humans and the New Mutants also got that never came out, that will never come up. Yeah, it was supposed to be on the side they sent me um. I appreciate it very much. They sent me a DNA kit, which now I kind of regret because it's like for the gifted. They do it for the gifted. Yeah, the Gifted that was there's so many that was for the Gift a lot, and the ext world was really

blown out. And it's funny because they had a hit with Legion and seeming like people were digging the Gifted, but it wasn't as like because it was it was too much. We referenced the X Men, but we never will see the x and like everyone, that's the thing is like you can only visit the well so many times before people really gonna want to taste of that

good stuff. That's how we Gotham was rough because it was so anachronous, like like just so much stuff was like, okay, this can't possibly make sense, Like how are you already seeing poison ivy? Why is the penguin way older? Skinny?

If I need to tell you? Because you and I are in a bunch of um and I'm sure you are to j and a bunch of writing groups on Facebook, and there was some dude that was like talking about how someone like stole his idea for like a movie, but also in there he was like and I had this idea about like a show where Bruce Wayne is young. I'm like, who wouldn't have that idea? It's literally the I mean, it's the wildest thing to you ever think that someone stole your idea that you built off an

I p that you do not own. Like because again I also was going to pitch. I'm like, yeah, so would literally anyone else. Because there's also Bruce Wayne when he's old, an old man, there's Bruce Wayne when he's young. Like, there's so many different and we have that Bruce Way when he's all we end up getting Batman Beyond, by the way, speaking of which the voice of Bruce Wayne will be playing old Bruce Way. Crisis. Oh, I know

so much that's happened about that Crisis crossover. I know so many people that are appearing that still have yet to be announced. They're doing more than what everybody is a expecting. Is it is going to be unique? How like people are gonna pop in just for a hot second here and there, and you're like, oh, so they really decided to say this is every universe. So yeah. One of the things I said, um, one of the things too, like I brought up earlier is the Dreaming Celestial.

So the Dreaming Celestial is also known as tam Wood, and it's to say he's the second host. He's the one who made the Deviance themselves, so he created them, and so he's buried away. He's hit like he's lying just underground somewhere, and they find him. And because they find they want him to basically say, hey, help us defeat the regular the regular Eternals. The deviants want to find it, and then the Eternals cannot. One of their weaknesses is that they can't go after their creator. It's

like a RoboCop prime directive. You cannot go after you. I imagine that that something happens there and then that's the unimone. The unimony ends up allowing to do it. They can't do it individually, so like as can't go at the dream of Celestial, but the Deviance they don't want to. They could, but they don't want to. So yeah, that is one of the big things that is going to happen. But again it depends on how they're gonna take this. It's hard to say exactly where we don't

know the plot yet. All this is just assumption, like, yeah, they can do this and do that, and do this and do that because it will give you this, this and that. But until you know anything, it's just hard. Right now, can you imagine what the posters are gonna look like? All types of space and stuff. No, I'm just saying because that would be hilarious and I would love that, but um no, I would love it if it would literally just space and no, none of the characters.

But what I meant is, like you know, in the Infinity War poster, it was like everyone that's ever existed was on there. I think it'd be nice to just with those just do like something splitting because you don't like for those who don't know, don't don't understand if one is the deviance one of these eternals things like in space, things like that. So we'll see, Oh my gosh, if they that people listen, people listen to this podcast that I had no idea, people will come up and

be yeah. So anyways, Jay came up with that idea, so you have to hit him up. At one time, we got a email from Kevin Fagus, like, if you're writing about everything everybody needs. We have like writers that are at like Marvel comic writers and other people that listen that I had no idea, and they'll, um, they obviously know more about this, of course. But then but then you know, we'll drop some heat on our Halloween episode or whatever and stuff that they don't know. The

other topics they don't know. We cover a wide range, not just not just a comic book, I p but yeah, okay, yes, so so okay, so we have that. Is there anything else that you feel people need to know about the Eternals? This is their first obviously I'm gonna say this is so they've mainly been in the comics and this is their first iteration. Really, this is a first and foremost

on the in the film. Okay, because just again I will always compare it to the way Guardians dropped when you heard there was gonna be a talking raccoon and a talking tree if you didn't know who the Guardians in the galaxy, where you were like, this is not gonna work. So the talking tree was Vin Diesel, who did it in every Languge who went who went in the booth on day one? And stilts now, which is a true story. He walked in on stilts, but that wasn't every record. No, that was just the first day.

They were like, you don't. I don't know if that's going to sound the best, my man, But yeah, it's really just make sure you understand. You can do some research on it, but it's also knowing, hey, this is leading up to something bigger, so don't go in like I didn't. I don't get what all this is for. Oh you mean you don't think that maybe the stakes will be as high in this because there's everything else. So you know, some people like, oh, well, I didn't think I was. I thought I was gonna get this

and I was gonna get that. I didn't get this. You're gonna get some Max. It's a Marvel movie. But you may not get exactly what you're expected got you like, you might not get the eternal story that you know from the comics. That might not come down for a movie or two. Right, you might get something. You'll get a bridge version that will go Hey, like I said, here's the beginning, here's your little fan, here's stands. There you go. You got him. You're good. Now we're moving forward.

You get baby fans and that's it, and then you move forward. You probably get you get the fight you get the wakening them up and they're like, oh, so this is this bigger thing that's happening. This may be your your mutant post credit City movie. I think Thor actually said about killing him as a baby and Infinity. I haven't rewatched Infinity more lately, but I thought he was the one that I think it was an end game machine. But yeah, the time machine, Yeah, it was

the whole time machine thing. Yeah. Yeah. No. So Cosmic ghost Writer is Frank Castle as the ghostwriter. When he got killed, he sold his soul to Dormamo, not Dormammu. Um, who's the underworld guy? Um? Now mom mels Mephistopol close to its Mephisto. Yeah, souldis so old. And Mephisto became the new ghostwriter. Then he like became a Galactus's Harold and then so he became Cosmic Ghostwriter. Then he killed Galactus and then he uh and then he said he was going to go back in time to kill to

kill Fanos, baby Fanos. He couldn't kill baby Thanos. He tried to like raise him as a good person because of all the bad stuff that turn him into, but it invents and he still ends up turning out evil, so he tried to go back in time to kill It's really it's a fun romp. But the newer version is written by Nick Giovannetti and Paul Shear and yeah, because he gets trapped back in time after that rum, which like, uh, Nick coats, Nick coats, Nikki coats. Sorry,

I'll you know I love you. Uh. The first writer hands it off like he ends and he ends up being trapped in time. He's like, well, I'm just stay in time because he wants to stay in time and see if he can prevent his family from being killed. Uh. And it's like a fun, wholesome romp. And also it was real cool because that's when I was in the room with Nick and I got to see the uh

the writing process of a comics. So like getting getting to see that, seeing the early pins and learning that and trying to, you know, uh, do one other thing on the list of the many things that I'm already doing. Uh. So thank Nick for that insight and all that stuff. And check out Cosmic Ghostwriter. You know what's going to be wild is I wonder if they all of the eternals are going to have different accents because you have

Harringtons and you have so much. But they're all supposed to be from the same like kind of grew up in the same you know what I mean, So like why does he sound British or what? Well, the thing is with them being in these different areas. I guess it's that whole you adapt to where you're from. Like people who aren't from California Los Angeles now all of a sudden they've been here for some time, maybe they

lose their regular accents and whatnot. So I think you can play that that level, got it because him and Tella Hikes do not sound anything. So yeah, yeah, which is like while everyone in Star Wars is like, what British or something, isn't that well, yeah, the whole our world is. Yeah, the galaxy is British, just like they did in Krypton everybody was British. You just have those different things that happened with this. It's it's a different one.

This is a book. This is a book. There is the characters in the books who they set up everything, they've been around for the longest. Eventually it come back to bring me, you know, the Celestials come back. There's this big battle with them against the celestials. We're not going to get that in the film. We're not because that's too much. That's too much, that's an entire that's the entire phase by itself. We're not gonna get that. We're gonna get this movie where it's gonna set up

these characters. Now, will they all just make them live? Because you know, the m c u is has a thing for all right, we gotta kill you off. You gotta go very down for that because there's so many people. Have you ever seen a gigantic marble poster? Everybody very okay with people dying, Like it's just you can't say that, what a cute sounding voice. I'm very okay with people dying.

I like when there's steaks, like when someone actually stays dead, which, even though this is Comic Book World, says the dragon ball Z fan, it's true, I guess the Jeta die, you know, which you know, I forgot to mention that in my geeking out about this small sidebar. But I think one of the coolest things about the Cacarrot game coming out is that they went ahead and put in those fatherhood moments that I said existed between Apps and y'all gonna have to play. It'll don't have to play.

Doesn't mean that they think that it doesn't matter anymore. Well, I'm gonna get Goku daddy moment. No, you know the best moment is that they added the d m v C or you actually have to go to the d m V that is that's oh they were they knew that's like, um like that is real. Yeah, it's great and they so so fans are getting a fan service there. We go love it and we accept it and we love it. Um. But yeah, I guess we will have to check back and we'll have to have you on

our eternals episode when what is this strapping? Okay, so we'll see you in two years. We'll see they like, yeah, j was eventually supposed to come back, like we'll see you. We'll bring you in for more mutant stuff like doing this European comedy tour. So he can't come on the European I wish I was doing European to go to speak it to existence, buddy, you know, I want to do it, not rather do just an Asian one. That's why I want to go into Thailand and do a tour.

No I know comedians that have gone to Japan, Like even some of my friends that aren't as well known, they'll do a Japanese comedy because they love that. They love American comedians and I actually know it. It's like you would think, like, isn't there a language barrier? But no, they actually know what. They're actually educated on like us, they can. They're like bilingual as opposed to most of Americans only speak and only think that that's all you

should speak. Other countries actually do their work to try and learn other languages. But Jay, where could everyone catch you? You can catch me in the streets now. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram and Mr J Washington m r J A y. You should know how to spell Washington, my YouTube channel, YouTube dot com s last J A Y Washington eight zero and the Mad Titan podcast. Everywhere you get your podcast listening on, I get you caught up on everything that's happening in the Marvel n

d C Live Action cinematic universes. It is barbershop talk for nerds. I've been trying to get Danny on ever Danny is two. Damn No, you just asked me, Oh come on, I just asked me right now, Okay, I'll do it. That was the easiest. I mean every time I'd be like, yeah, should hit up Danny out here working and doing like film out eight scripts at a thing, seventeen auditions. You have to do that out here and then you all will see one of them. I mean,

that's there's nothing wrong with it. Trust me. I know I'm in like several pitch meetings for different things. So I did it. That is one thing I love that Lewis Tan, who has been in so many of these different superhero things but is also now in Mortal Kombat, is the lead in Mortal Kombat, that he was like, um, I had so many almost He posted that like nobody

nobody sees that. Nobody sees all of the almost and the near misses and the thing that you got called back on but ultimately didn't get and the projects that fell through you. They just see the winds. And so I love that he posted that because it's such a good reminder. Well, you know a lot of people think that people only say that when they make some big happen, so it doesn't really exist to everybody else, you know what I'm saying, Like if a star says that, then

it's like, yeah, this happens. But if the average person says it's like, well that doesn't you know, that's not real life. You're just not working hard enough or whatnot. I've had people who said, oh, well, you're just not doing you're doing stuff, and when you have a know what that means. You know that that isn't anything. I'm yes, it is, because it's not rent right like I thought.

I thought I've had a couple of things. I thought I had a couple of pilots and I got told by my agent it was like, they love you, They're bringing you back for the screen tasks. And then I get nothing, and I was like, are you serious? So I can believe understand that you have to make a lot of your own stuff out here. It's a lot. But yeah, so that's why I mean, that's what I say about you know, just I know how busy you are.

I know what if he's out here to do and I follow both of you because I just want to be like, yeah, I want to grow up, but yeah, just that and the Latina A five for sassy Latina who will go with anybody on Twitter real quick, who will go at people with a heartbeat. But also yeah, next week, this week when coming up, when it comes out, I will be in Salt Lake City for fan Ex Salt Lake Comic Convention. They're bringing me out again to

do a couple of panels. I don't know. I don't know if I have Benedict, Juan Magana, Wayne or the Power Rangers. Yet they tell me I've got one of the three of them, so it's gonna be fun. Yeah. Um, I'm at is Danny Fernandez on all the things. Yeah, be nice to me when you tweet at me, that's great. I we love talking to people. I just uh, you know, be kind, to be kind to each other. Um. What else we have nerd We have t public dot com slash Nerdificent for merch. If you get some merch, tag

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