Episode 47: Captain Marvel

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I am joined today by the owner of the Perky Nerd Comic book shop, a place that I love, a place that I love to go to shop at, a place that has arch shows that really is just such a huge part of the community that if he and I actually we got to film a piece that was um that was funded by Marvel there at the Perky Nerd um with a lot of actors and writers of color, and that is Tiffany Melius. Hi Did I say that right? Yes? Okay,

perfect Melius. Sometimes I don't even say right you are you are covered head to toe and Captain Marvel because we're talking about Captain Marvel. I love all this stuff that you have and the comic books that you brought. I was like, should I bring a reference? I don't know? You know? Do you know Hector Navarro? I feel like you do. You probably have met him. He's at d C Daily and I think he's done stuff over at

the Perky Nerd. Um. But he will bring his comics too, and he is known as like a walking encyclopedia of knowledge, so he doesn't technically ever look have to like actually look at him. But when he wants to really prove a point, he knows exactly in his comics where that is. Yeah, So, um, what what I want to talk about the Perky Nerd? Like? How did you? Is this the first comic book shop that you've opened? Yes? I like, how maybe there's more? I wish there was? Um, yeah, this is the first

one ever of its kind. The Perky Nerd actually the name itself. We wanted to open up a cat cafe. Which is funny because all comic book characters I seem to pick out have a cat yeah. So, uh, but having cats and and the whole thing was too much money up front. It's a huge investment. So we decided to do a comic bookshop that sells cold brew coffee and and then does like art shows. To get the community. We did stand up Um, yes, yeah, you have stand

up comedy shows there. Well, we used to. Um, I'd love to do more, I know, meltdown since they've gone away then, I don't know where all those people went. But we kind of took on a lot more gaming in the last year. I don't know if you're familiar with Legion yet. Uh. Star Wars like miniatures game, and it came out last year and it kind of took over our whole shop. So uh, that's we've and then key Forged by the Magic Guys that's taken over, and

so we're kind of exploring the new gaming realm. Yeah, I feel like I mean, I don't know a lot of other and I should, but I will look this up. But a lot of other female run comic bookshops in the city. I mean, what was that like to even to like this? Has this been a dream of yours? Like, how do you even go about doing that? Like, how do you go about being like, I'm going to open up a comic bookshop. I think you just do it

and don't think about it. For for us, it kind of was like December, we went to a comic bookshop by Chicago, Wisconsin, AIA. It was a woman owned one, and I was like, oh, that's so cool, Like it stuck out to me as something that I was I was like, wow, women canon a comic bookshop. And then I looked it up and there's another girl in Philadelphia that has a coffee comic bookshop and she has actually

been on the cover of a Marvel comic recently. Yeah, and then there's another one in Seattle, I think, um, and there's just there's a handful of them all over the US. Um. But they're not that many. And I want to say, because when we did first open, a lot of people were like, that can't be the like the first women owned I And I'm not the first woman owned comic bookshop. But there is less than like ten of them, and I think people like challenge that

because they're like, I've seen women in comic bookshops. I'm like, correction owned by a woman, not just people working in the other women. Um, but like actually owned by a woman operating business. Yeah. So and you employ a lot of women there. I know, I see them all the time. Yeah, we have a lot of women. We have the Perky Bitches Comic book Club. Yeah, and you had a you had like a remember maybe it was just during Halloween, but I remember you had like a Witches. Yeah. We

do the Witches Brunch. A lot of women like art shows and stuff like that. We had the marveloust Ladies that brunch. It was like a mash up Marvel Ladies as Holly go lightly. Um. That was just a personal thing I wanted to do because I I like like breakfast at Tiffany's the concept and like Tiffany's for obvious reasons. Yeah, you had a Breakfast at Tiffany I actually own it, and so does Danielle Radford, who um was in our Marvel Our Black Panther Marvel piece and she was on

our Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode. But I bought you have a you carried a print. It was this gorgeous print of Surery in the Breakfast at Tiffany's. Like she looks like Audrey Hepburn and she has a little cat with her um and its Surey from black Panthers. So I have that framed in my living room. Oh nice, Yeah, yeah, I've gotten several pieces of art there. You have. You really are an open um place where artists can apply to have their work shown. Like you have tons of

different independent artists on your walls. You have tons of print. I think it's like the best gift. I love going there and giving it as a gift to people because you know, you can get like a print for like ten or fifteen bucks and it's like super cool to have like a gorgeous wonder Woman or the Flash um, and they'll have mashups. What'll be like the Simpsons in

the Flash or something like that. So yeah, that's my favorite part about the art shows is seeing what people are going to do with the theme that we put out there. Um. I get a lot of artists that just approached and say, how can I get in the gallery? Well, you can start up by being in the art shows, which are always themed. I don't just do like this is an art show. Um. So uh. On March sewond is when our Captain Marvel Art show will be up in the gallery and it will be up the whole

month of March. Yes, so if you are in because the Perky Nerd is in Burbank um, so if you are in the l A area, please check it out and you can check out there all of their Captain Marvel princes that they will have up in original artes. Yeah. Amazing. So speaking of Captain Marvel, when I asked, I think I asked on Facebook, um if there were anyone that

were experts in Captain Marvel. Remember Eric Barnes, who I believe was on our Teenage Mutant and Turtle episode immediately tagged you and I was like, oh, yes, she would be perfect. I was like, yes, I remember, But how did you get into Captain Marvel? So I stumbled upon her in two thousand and six, I think she it was like a fifty two book or a fifty book run of Ms. Marvel. Carol Danver's in her black leotard. Um and my husband was just looking for some amazing

spider man to fill in his holes. And I was like, oh good, we're where are we because we were just doing that thing where you just map out a bunch of comic bookshops and just go um. And he was like you should choose one, probably like one of those things like you should get into nerdy things. And I was like, okay, uh And I saw this like you know, badass Lady on the front of a cover, and I got it. And then I got all the other issues and then I became really enthralled into this character and

I kept reading. And then he gave me all of the Miss Marvel from the seventies, the comic books he found like a whole collection of them on eBay and that I think that was like my birthday present or something. Do you still have those? Yeah? I have. I have my long boxes of all all my singles of Captain Marvel, Miss Marvel, the seventies Miss Marvel. Um. And then it just kept going into like Black Widow and looking for all of those things. Um. But yeah, I love Carol Danvers.

She I just I love She's so flawed. Um. And I came to l A for acting. So in two thousand and six, I was, you know, fresh here and I was like, we need to make a movie and I want to be her. You were already on the band. Yeah, you you were pitching this back in oh six. You know, we're just now getting it in right, and that's so crazy.

I feel like she hasn't really been on the bigger radar, like obviously for Marvel nerds and people that you know have been following her, she has been, but I don't think she's really been on the radar until the last like five ish years. I would say I've noticed more. Um, and definitely the last two years, like when they announced that she was getting her own film, yes, oh yeah, because they announced like a long time ago. I feel like,

and now it's finally here. I feel like they know a lot of stuff, you know, like by the time we hear stuf Off, they've already gone into production. They might even be done with production sometimes by the time that it gets out into the Publicum. But Marvel is definitely already capped out, like mapped out exactly what they

were gonna do. Um. I'm really excited. I think it's crazy how close Because she comes out so Captain Marvel drops march An haste week Yeah, it'll be this weekend, drops this weekend, and Infinity War comes out in a role, so I really don't get a lot of time. And in between that, I believe Shazam I might be which is interesting, which is interesting because for people that don't know, Shazam and Captain Marvel are kind of related. Um, do you do you want to explain that to people of

how that happened the Captain Marvel they're originally from? Like, because I get a lot of people in the shop that are like, did you know that Kept Marvel is really from d C? No, you are you telling me that? You a comic bookshop owner get people that challenge you about your knowledge. I mean it happens all the time, and I just I mean my personality is just you're very friendly. I'm just like, oh, yeah, that's really cool. Huh. You are much kinder than I am, Tiffany, You're very

You're very friendly. Yes, you're very which is great because you have a business. And so I guess if you if you said what you really wanted to to everybody, I wouldn't have any customers. I mean I would still go, I would still go. But Okay, yes, Kittie, I'm sorry, I just I want yes, of course, you owning a comic bookshop get challenged about your knowledge of comics. But yes, um, so yes, she'sam Sasam. Yeah. So originally the character she'sam that we know that's going to be in the movie.

Um is not being called Captain Marvel because Captain Marvel is Captain Marvel. Um. But they did own that back, you know first, and then there was like a whole lawsuit and now they have to make a captain like Marvel has to make a Captain Marvel us that whatever you call it monarch or whatever every two years, once every two something, otherwise they'll lose it. It's kind of it's like anything else, kind of like with like ex trademark, you know, stuff like that, they have to use it.

Otherwise it just drops off and it's over and it's up for grabs for uh people to use it. Yeah. I wanted to say, shazam is so Billy Batson uh so Uh, it's essentially the word that he says when he's transforming. He says shazam, and so we will see that, yeah, in the film that's coming out. But that's essentially what they ended up just doing is they were like, oh, let's just take this word and we'll just make it

a the the dude, the character. Um. But I'm really curious to if they call him Captain Marvel in the movie. There's no you think that they're going to do that. I don't know, but like the people are really against like they're like, Shazam is not his name, Shazam is the word that changes him into Captain Marvel. Gosh, those people don't sound fun. Um, let's let's talk officially what Captain Marvel. So. Captain Marvel is um the name of

several fictional superheroes appearing in Marvel comics. Like you said, it was following a trial in which DC Comics sued Fawcett Comics for a breach of copyright, claiming Faucets Captain

Marvel was too similar to Superman. The latter stop publishing Captain Marvel, and in the late sixties, Marvel gained the trademark Captain Marvel, which makes sense that it would go to them with their with their first series, And what Tiffany was saying is that to retain their trademark, Marvel has to publish a Captain Marvel title at least once every two years, leading to her ongoing series limited series in one shots, essentially in order to hang on to that.

But originally the name was Marvel and that character was created by Stanley and Gene Colin and first appeared in Marvel Superheroes number twelve in December of nineteen sixty seven. So essentially, the character was an alien military officer, Captain Marvel of the Cree Imperial Militia, which is like an alien army, who was then sent to observe the planet Earth.

I love this because this is also what happens with Sayings and dragon Ball always have to relate it back to Darn, but that's essentially Sayings um Goku was like sent to Earth to take over, but then ended up helping us. So Captain Marvel eventually also allies himself with Earth. The Cree Empire brands him as a trader, and then that leads to lots of fighting, lots of fighting. Have you read the Margaret Stole the Latest The Life of Um Captain Marvel? Oh, because we just read it in

the Perky Bitches, uh. And I'm really curious to see how much of it is going to be in the movie because the Kelly sud Conic run is the one that they're supposed to be taking from Um. But when you were just saying that about Marvel coming to Earth in that one, the Margaret Stole book, her mom comes to Earth from the Creed. Yeah, and they made a whole new storyline. Does she have a baby with a human? Yeah? And so it's funny because I love that. I was very into that. I did the map in my head

and it was so much like Superman to me. I kept being this is really like Superman to point where her name is Mary l and Carol, that's so fast. Wait, okay, so that's when the latest thing that just came out before the one that just like started running, that's in it like it's second issue now. Um it came out because people were saying that they wanted to correct her origins. Um. Which if you were a brand new reader and you had just picked that up, you might be interested in it.

But I do think it's very Superman storyline. Um. Which Now, now if that was the original storyline with Marvel the guy, it is, because I reading it, I was like, this is like Superman. So it's kind of funny that they would do that again now with Carol in a storyline

it is. I mean I could see originally why they sued them, but now that they can't do anything, I guess they're like, well, we're just going to go back, and I mean, I know a lot of different franchises that have done that, and sometimes people are really interesting when you run across Puris, like they're really fascinated. I

like Wonder Woman's origin story. I don't like when people mess around with her origin story, which has happened because she originally wasn't like there's somewhere her father is, you know, where she was folded from Clay and then other ones where it was like, oh no, her mom was like impregnated by Zeus um. But it was like through the power of Zeus or whatever that she was able to make this Clay. But like you know, in the original

nineteen forties run, she came from Clay. Yeah, so I'm sure I might get I might get someone correcting me, but I have that original run at home, so at least what I can remember is that she didn't need Well. My least favorite is when her Paolita and whose Zeus is wife? Is it Athena and uh, I'm trying to remember, but anyways, it was basically them fighting. It was as a Rillo's Brian as a Rillo's Run. I think that was a New fifty two um with Wonder woman, and

I have a computer right in front of me. I'm like, I should just google. But essentially they were fighting over Zeus. I don't know if yeah so, and I was like, oh no, there's two women fighting over a man. Why does this need to happen? Um? Why didn't no just go back to her other origin? Yeah? So moving on, She's had several incarnations And the one that you came onto in two thousand and six, you said she you knew her as Miss Marvel, Miss Marvel. Yeah, she back

in two thousand and six was in the black leotard. Uh. And that that whole run is the run that I made. Well, I didn't make them. They willingly read it, uh like because now they're repackaging everything to be the ms Marvel Years of Captain Marvel. And there's like three volumes that we have in the shop. Um and you can see, like you know, because she was the leader of the Avengers, she had a lot of alcohol issues. Um. She was like in Civil War. UM. So she's like popped up

a lot um. And that's where I got into her. I personally really love it, um because you know, when you first get into something, you're just like, I love this. I love it the way it is, yes, but then it changes and you it's like, no, no, why did they do that? But someone else could pick up that new thing, not knowing anything previously and be like this is amazing see the old stuff, and be like why why would they do that to her? So I'm coming

from like the black leotard loving days. Uh. And then she, you know, got redone in two thousand and twelve as Captain Marvel Carol Danver's everyone knows, right, okay because before that, oh, it's like the seventh on the list of carrying the Captain Marvel. Yeah. Title, So let's go through this list.

So the next one up after we have Marvel is Monica is at rambo Um and that was the second Captain Marvel was created by writer Roger Stern and artist John Ramda Jr. She first appeared in The Amazing Spider Man Annual number sixteen and nineteen eighty two. So here, I am just thinking that she's been around, you know, recently. I haven't read any Captain Marvel comics. I'm going to get on it. I read my my friend Sam Magg's actually wrote a book which I'll have to show you yeah, probably. Yeah,

We're going to do a book signing with her. So great. Well, but um so it does have info about Captain Marvel, and it has info about all the women of Marvel in it. Uh And so that was when I was reading that, it made me want and of course this Brie Larson film has made me want to check it out. But I feel behind because we did. We did a Harley Quinn episode with Tara Strong, and when I was

researching for that, I ran across and Harley Quinn. I'm very you know, I grew up watching Batman, the animated series, so I'm aware of her um but I ran across mad love that. Everyone was saying, like, you have to read this. It's like such an in depth look at her um in her relationship with the Joker and you know, her vulnerability and like kind of her mindset. So I bought it and I'm like, Okay, I need to do this first, then I'll get into my Captain Marvel comics

have so many things that I'm behind on. Um Okay. So, Monica Rambo was a police lieutenant from New Orleans who possesses the power to transform herself into any form of energy. Her powers were briefly altered so that she cannot transform to energy but instead can generate a personal worsfield. Really

interesting that they made her a police officer. This was something and a couple of other episodes that we have also talked about um during this time, like this era where it was very lethal weapon he like, you know, those like Cop Buddy Cop or like the cop films were really popular. Yeah, so it's really because they also did that we talked about in our Black Panther episode. They did it with Techala or at least with Black Panther. I forgot his name at the time, but they made

him until a police officer think in the nineties. Huh. Yeah. And so what's really cool about that is that in and I'm trying to stay away from the trailers kind of after I've seen like the first initial ones, but if you stop it, you know, the wonderful world of DVR uh and people on the internet. Then they put it up that Monica and her in her airplane it says Photon on the side. So that's a total like nice little easter, a call out her being Photon in

the comics. Oh yeah, I wouldn't, which is pretty rodin I feel like I'm going to need to take a box of tissues to the movie because I'm just gonna be like, oh my god, that's that's how I was

with One Woman. Yeah, Wonder Woman's um No Man's Land scene got me every time, I know where every time I just wanted to And also I think like it was the music, It was so much about it, but just seeing her and kind of like her inability to understand why we're cowards, you know, she just she saw these you know, she saw these people dying and was like, I love that line. That's like what you do, what I do is not up to you. And Captain Marvel's

is something similar. I feel in her trailer often, I'm gonna look at it, you know, I'm going to look it up. I'm gonna look it up right now because we're going to take a break and we are back still joined by Tiffany, the owner of the Perky nerd. Yeah,

we were talking about that trailer. My favorite part of the trail of the Captain Marvel trailers when she punches out that old lady yeah, um also can you because I kind of I kind of like went over cree but they're essentially just an alien, right, is there anything special I guess about them? Oh gosh, yeah, so the Cree, which I kind of went over, but her alien species race. They've also been seen in Gardens of the Galaxy and in the movies and Guardians of the Galaxy, and they

will be in Captain Marvel. So they also been seen in the Agents of Shield. So that's cool. I know people were really excited when they popped up in it. But okay, so the other the other Captain Marvel's for all of you Captain Marvel heads. So there's Jennie Vel, which was the third Captain Marvel who first appeared in Silver Surfer Annual number six using the code name of Legacy.

So that character is genetically engineered son, So it's still a dude back then of Marvel and his lover um created from the late Marvel's cell samples and artificially aged to physical, if not emotional maturity. That's really fascinating. That's aged two emotional maturity. That is really no. I just

find that really what does that mean? Um? It makes me think of Shazam though, because oh yeah, okay, so like no, but I know, I'm just like, so are they like numb to the world, because I guess that is a superpower, like not falling in love as a super power. I mean, if you look at like what Batman always considers his weakness, this is like, you know, his love interry. I mean all superheroes, I think fine, Daredevil does as well. UM feel like his love interests.

He can't have them because we'll just get hurt. So listeners, tell me what you think. Emotional maturity UM means that's really fascinating. Uh So, then we have Phi Lavel, which is the fourth Captain Marvel is Phi Lavel. Also, I'm sorry if we're passing over your favorite. Captain Marvel definitely tweeted us and let us know why they're your favorite or when you first got into Captain Marvel um. So

phi Level is Jennie Fell's younger sister. She was created by Peter David and Paul as a Setta and Captain Marvel volume number five, number sixteen, January two thousand and four. So Phila is created when Jennie, who was an only child, recreates the universe and in doing so creates various an anomalies which result in his mother being restored to life and his sister coming into existence. She's la seen romancing

Moon Dragon um Phi. Lavel appears in the Annihilation Event, fighting alongside Nova's United Front in an effort to stop the destructive armies of a nihilis Um. It's so much it is. It is kind of interesting all of these and we're almost getting to what I guess I would consider but the most the most popular Captain Marvel Um Carol Danvers, which I mean just she is the most probably because she's getting her film right. She's the most popular because I mean, basically she had she was tied

to Marvel. How she got her powers originally was because she was with him and the psych Magnatron thing went off and he covered her. He was dying of cancer. He covered her and to keep her from the blast, but she ended up absorbing all of the the powers

from him um. And it's described in actually this I refreshed my memory last night by reading the two thousand twelve Kelly Sue run Um where it talks about her wanting to like because this is basically about her struggle to call herself Captain Marvel because she was Miss Marvel, and then also to wear kind of his Colors. Okay, so he so he was essentially like Captain Marvel or Captain Marvel. She was Miss Marvel. Yeah, she was just Carol Danvers. Yeah, and then she was she was she

took on the mantle. She was just a human with Kay and then she was in this blast with him and she got powers from it. So is that gonna be Breeze movie? So she's a human? She is? Okay, So you know, I don't. I don't know because then in the Margaret Stole one that just happened that I said was so much like Superman to me is that she her mom ends up that her mom is an alien, So she's half and half. So but to me, uh,

and I'm open to many things. Uh. To me, what makes her so awesome is that she is a human. She's only a human, and she absorbs these powers from that Psycho Magnatron incident, and she talks about it a lot like the incident um and she gets all of these powers from it, and so she becomes like superhuman, but she is human in the movie. It looks like to me, she they well, they say in the trailer that she got infused with alien blood to save her life.

Or something. So I don't know if some um and there's a lot of like rumors about that whole scene anyways that they show in the trailer that maybe they're trying to throw us off and that is not what is the storyline. Who knows, well know next week or well we'll know like now, um, but she gets hurt or something and then they infused her with the alien blood and that's how she becomes what she is in

the movie. I guess, yeah, not entirely. I know that there's a lot of sites that have broken down every single frame of that trailer. But I do know there's a lot of people that kind of don't want to watch the trailers anymore because they want to be surprised. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to watch them anymore because there's just too much stuff and then you're like, oh, that's going to happen. I wanted to be all fresh

and brand new and like yeah. So what I'm saying is it's okay people if if Captain some Captain Marvel fans haven't watched the trailers, I think it's I know Star Wars. There were some specific Star Wars fans that I knew that like refused to watch the trailers, like when Force Awakens was coming out, they just wanted to be surprised, and I'm sure they were. Uh so yeah, it's okay. Um, it's okay to to skip past that.

But also I feel like a big thing in like social media and the Internet age is that you can't get mad if you see something, because you should shut it down if you don't want to see stuff or get stuff spoiled. Uh. Like what I'm doing is I'm just actively being like, oh no, you know. Uh, And like any I've seen people have already got to see the movie, and so I just have to scroll. I don't want to see mute them. Yeah, you know, it's get you know, mute Captain Marvel, like they are embargoing.

No you can, but like the phrase, also those people are embargoed, I think because I have an embargo. I'm at the So when this drops, I will have been at the premiere yesterday, uh Monday, I'm going to the Captain Marvel premiere. Yeah, I'm really excited. And y'all I have this blue dress. I have this. I have this it looks like her blue it's her blue dress. I have. But um, it zips up the front, and y'all know me,

I am not good with zippers. I had a whole zipper fiasco that happened at San Diego Comic Con, and if he was there, Essentially, I wore a zippered, tight outfit and my zipper broke and so my outfit was just open. It was a mess. But it just like slid down. It was a it was I know, I was tired of holding into goods. I wore a I wore a one piece, so luckily I had ge like I had these tight hot like white pants and I'm

I'm extra. I'm way too extra at at a you know, I used to go to comic con though I would like beg my mom to take me to comic Con when I was like eleven. And now that I actually get to be on panels, I'm going to live my my best life and and do up as much. I'm gonna take up as much space as possible. I wore a one piece and it zipped up right in the front and the zipper. I went to the bathroom. It was actually I was with er Kaishi, who you probably know.

She's a host over at Geek and Sunjury. But we just did a panel for sky Bound and I was like, I have to be run in the restroom because then we're doing another panel that nurdiced I was hosting. Ran into the restroom, undid. When you're wearing a one piece, y'all, you have to like take the whole thing off to play. I also wore one piece for my Ralph Breaks the

Internet premiere, same thing. If you can picture me in the bathroom taking the entire thing off to p it was a lot how to like have help putting it back on. Um. This is just behind the scenes that you all don't see bts UM. I also was talking with Anna here at My Heart about how because I was hosting with e at the Oscars, they had to sew my undergarment. They so one they put me in spanks.

They cut off a leg of my spanks so that you couldn't see it because my slit was so high, and they sewed my spanks to my dress, so in order to pee, I had to pull my spank to this side. I just want you guys to know the behind the scenes when you see ladies on the red carpet, what is actually there's like an entire team of people that are sewing and snipping, and it's like, see, I don't know if like Sandy in Greece, that final scene where they had to sew her those black leather pants

on her, that was me. Um. Anyways, I'm hoping when you listen to this, I will have had a great time in my zipper didn't break or else it would probably be in the news because I would be but naked. What was I gonna say? Okay, So, something that I've noticed that's in this lore is scrolls. So scrolls are also a fictional race of aliens, essentially their shape shifters um. And there's a very popular Crease scroll war that I know people were excited. I think that was referenced in

the trailer. Um I again, I am coming at this. Yeah, the Cree Scroll War. So that's what's supposed to be happening. Like so Kevin Figi said, it's not going to be an origin story where she gets her powers in the movie. We're not going to see that she's already gonna have her powers and they're in the middle of this war. So it's gonna be kind of interesting to see, how like, because she's just already gonna be a badass like out there, um, and you see her in the green like. So I'll

tell you from a fan point of view. When it was coming out last year with all the photographs because they were filming in l a Um and they came out with the green outfit, Oh yeah, I was like what no, why, what's happening? Uh? And then someone told me they were like, don't worry, she's gonna wear her blue and red like later. And I was like, because everything you saw was her in the green thing, which was probably like who knows, like two scenes or something,

we don't know for me. I honestly, when I saw her in the green, I was like, isn't that also so they could see you? I mean, I'm sure that's not it now, But I never jumped to inclusions because when I saw her in her green outfit, I'm like, that's also how you do green screen stuff. That's how they see g I stuff. So if they wanted her bright colors to pop in a certain way, it would make sense that they would paint her green so that digitally they could then go in and put whatever they

wanted there. Um. So I didn't know why people I'm sure that they will have her in her green because that's her original when she that's her cree. Yeah. And it's just so funny because when stuff comes out like that and you just don't know and we will will be like oh ha ha ha, like we everyone was spreading over this thing and it's not even a big deal.

Well because then the trailer came out and she's all in her blue and red and she goes binary, which also people didn't like to see that trailer um when she goes completely like on fire, okay, super saying yeah, um, but because that is probably like a really huge scene and like, oh they didn't like that it was spoiled. She goes okay okay, So I mean I get it, and I was like, oh my god, I totally get

I totally I totally get that. But I think they do they also have to think of people that aren't like me, that aren't necessary, that didn't grow up with Captain Marvel, that aren't invested as much. I mean I would a thousand percent and still see her, but I think they need they need some of those heavy hitting scenes.

Same with you know, the other Marvel films and DC films and Star Wars like they need some really, even though it might be like, oh, they gave that away, they need some of those heavy hitting scenes and trailers for other people that are just casual action fans to want to see it. So I think it was smart for them, and it's still going to be cool to

see how she gets to that level. Um, let me tackle to other Captain Marvels before we get you know, officially to Carol Danver's and talk about the future of Captain Marvel. So there was the fifth Captain Marvel is canoe er. I think I'm saying that right. Can I try to look me. You're doing a good job, thank you? Who first appeared in Civil War UM The Return The Return March two thousand seven. He is a scroll sleeper agent who is bound with Marvel's DNA. Okay, so a

lot of these go back to Marvel. The first one Marvel's DNA to lock itself into Marvel's form and given technological replicas of the cree Nega bands. What's really funny though, is going through all of those, it just makes me think because I'm like, wow, wow, Like this was probably like a one run thing, Like who knows about this? Captain Marvel anyways. Um, but it's probably all because if they don't do one, so like what can we do. That's why it always goes back to Marvel because they

killed him with cancer. Yeah, but obviously they kept his cells. He could come. I mean, you're never dead in superhero Land. So Nega bands were created by the Supreme More of the Cree. They're loosely based on the quantum bands, using the forces of the negative zone in the wielder's own psionic energies. So they essentially give you increased physical strength, interstellar flight, no need for food, water, air, or sleep. That's a huge advantage survival in the vacuum of space.

So the next one is no Var. That was as part of the Dark Rain storyline Novar Joint. That's the next. Captain Marvel joined the new team in the Dark Avengers using the alias Captain Marvel. He first appears in Marvel Boy number one in August two thousand. He quit the team on discovering they were all villains, at which point he was look, that is a good. That is a good. So he's always had that like morality behind him because you know, he was originally sent to take over us

and didn't, so he's always had that. When he discovered that they were villains, he left, at which point he was contacted by the Supreme Intelligence given a copy of the original Captain Marvel's Nega bands. Again, those are those super bands you can basically that's like, oh, Pete, that's like you can basically get away with anything. Um and totally should take his place at the creeze Protector of Earth. UM. And that leads us up to Carol Danvers in July

of twelve. Carol Danvers a longtime super heroin known as Miss Marvel. So that was so she was in comics as Miss Marvel. Do you know how many runs? Like how long she existed as Miss Marvel before she switched over from the seventies till two thousand twelves. Okay, and now Miss Marvel is Kamala right, Kamala kan Yeah, yeah, she's Miss Marvel now, Okay. So and that like I believe that happened about the same time, Um, she came out and uh, Captain Marvel and they because that's like

how it all happened. And I was like what um, which was also confusing for me as a fan as I was like, why are they They're keeping Miss Marvel. So it's not that they don't want to do Miss Marvel anymore, but I understand now like they're giving it to a younger generation and it's more diverse. I'm glad

that they kept the mantle, you know. I'm glad that they didn't just undo because, like you said, it's from she existence to seventies, so I'm glad that she still has that history, but she can continue on the mantle in the way so it was it was in retrospect. Is a cool time, um to have Carol take on the Captain Marvel um title and change and then also have the younger generation come in and take up her Miss Marvel title, and uh, you know, it's a whole

new generation of readers and types of nerds. So if someone wanted to get into Captain Marvel, would they start, Like I'm sure people ask you that in the comic books, right well, because I love Miss Marvels, and I'll point them to the now repackaged Miss Marvel years and in the big books. But if you don't want to get that crazy, which I feel like after you read like this two thousand twelve, Kelly Sue run when she becomes

Captain Marvel. Initially you will want to go back and read the Miss Marvel stuff because you want to know her history and where she came from and what makes her her um. But but maybe not, maybe you just like her as Captain Marvel and you want to just keep going. And then there's also the other Kelly Sioux run which is from two fourteen. Uh, and that's a really good one. So um that one is the higher Further Faster, which that's in in her in the Captain

Marvel stuff a lot um. I think that's Kelly Sue like she did to Higher Further Faster um in the two twelve one to um. But the thing that I love about the two one is the flirkin. Okay, what is that? Wait? No, no, wait, you're gonna tell me what that is. We got to take a quick break and then you're gonna tell me what the flirkin is. Ok right when we come back. Okay, and we're back, Okay, flerkin. That's her cat. Oh yeah, so her cat uh which in the comics and is kind of his name her name. Uh.

The it's the alien species of cat. Oh, that's the type of okay, but her cat at least I know this from scene from everyone I know where you're going to say, Goose, that's not the cat's name. The cat's name is Chewy. So one thing that I'm going to say that might have been confusing in this lore, Like I don't I don't know if they can. I know that legally they could use that name because they're all under the same company. But so the thing about it when they first came out with the cat, right and

I was like, oh my god. You could see in the poster he's like down there. They're going to make the cat a big part of it. Um because the cat is a big part in the Kelly Sioux run um because yeah, okay, so well he's like, yeah, he's orange and he's fluffy, but his name is Chewy after Chewbacca. Because the thing about Captain Marvel is she's a huge

Star Wars fan, Like her ship is named Harrison. She loves Star Wars, like Tony Stark is always teasing her about being a Star Wars nerd and stuff like that. That's so cool. Well no, I mean, that's so meta now that Disney and Star Wars, I mean, and Marvel are all together, so it's like, so it seems like great, guess what. They changed the cat's name. However, I'm still hoping that Goose dies because no, because Goose dies in the comics. No, he doesn't die. Well, Goose in Top

Gun dies. Oh Goose and top Gun. Yeah, so I think that you are actively wishing harm to this cat and this movie. This is insane only because why would you change the cat's name when you have the Star Wars. You have Star Wars. You can use what I've heard. You want to know what someone told me? Is this a spoiler? This? And this is just hearsay. Someone told me that because Disney owns Star Wars and Marvel, they already have a property that they market called Chewy Chewbacca.

They don't want two things. Yeah, they don't named with the same thing, so they just renamed it Goose. And I'm not okay with it. I'm sorry. We're destroying her most The biggest part of her origin story for you is that she remains a Star Wars fan. I'm sure that she will because she's because she lands in the nineties. For people that don't know, let's just go ahead and hop into what we do know about the film, and

then we'll talk about the future of her. We're not to give anything away that isn't already you know, expressed in a one minute trailer. But she lands in the nineties. Um and we know that because she also lands through like a Blockbuster video and the trailer. Yeah, I'm really excited for whatever music, nostalgic music that they're going to be playing. I don't mind. So she might be a Star Wars fan, she might have some reference to Star Wars in some way, like in her bedroom or I

don't know, but I understand why Disney wouldn't name him Chewy. Also, I don't know. I was gonna say, a lot of the viewership that's going to go see this movie, a lot of them are comic book readers, but a majority of them probably aren't, so they might not know the cat's name so much they do. Here for them to just change it, and that's what it is now, which I get it, so just like a quick thing. I came into the m c U. Not because I got into the comics in two thousand and six and Iron

Man was already out and all of that. Um, So I have always been like, this is what the movies are? This so cool? Like he, uh, this is what it is. Because I didn't read the comics. I don't know that the every nuance, every little thing that's in the movies. But this is like the first movie for me that I am coming in with information. So now I sort of know what those people feel. Like that gets so aggravated. Um, but obviously I'm not letting it ruin my life, but

like it just irks me. But now I I like can fully understand and see that perspective that I was always like, come on, it's a movie, but I can I get it, like your you want your character to be like protected in the same and which it's hard

in the m c because it's totally different storyline. Um, there's so many iterations of her in the books themselves that I don't even agree with, like especially like the Life of Captain Marvel that just came out and how they rebranded, like how who her mom is and what her origin is. So that was a lot of things are happening that I'm I'm not okay with. But maybe like ten years from now, I'll be like, oh that

was so silly. Yeah, But but right now I'm like, oh, I don't like what's happening with some of the things that they've changed, But now I can get it, Like what it's like to be a fan that that happens to Yeah, I think we've had a lot of these conversations. It's such a it's a really double edged sword because I always want people to kind of like take risks and I'm okay if a filmmaker has like, no, I

think this could be great. I think that has happened sometimes where they've had to change an origin story or parts of it and ends up being in my opinion, better, or they both exist. It's not necessarily that one is better, but you get to have both in some world. Yeah. I as I say, I haven't read enough of her to really weigh or any of her to weigh in, but I think with it seems from what I can

tell that people are really excited about this film. Oh yes, then, and that's great, Like because you're you're a huge Wonder Woman fan. Yeah, so that's this is like my wonder Woman. Whereas like this character, this is like I know a lot about this character. I want the best for this character and for her to be betrayed and loved. Like it's really hard to see. I didn't even create her, and I'm like, oh yeah, you're like, yeah, she's yours, you know. And um, so can you talk a little

bit about her, like her personality, Like what is she like? Um? She I mean I think she was really like sarcastic. She's um. She really is like kind of like Captain America uh um in a sense that she wants to do what's right. Um. That's why she got into some trouble in the Civil War because she was like Antony's

stark side. Um, because she was just going by protocol and there was some things that she did um that we're just like what the initiative was about that where it wasn't like so great as far as like morally and like for families and stuff like that. But she was just doing her job. Because she comes from the military background, I think that that kind of gets her in trouble uh on the likability scale, because she's, you know, she's a soldier, she has a job, she's gonna she

has her orders. But then there's the other side of her that is like a human that has feelings and she's you know, she has all these power ors, and she goes through a lot of like turmoil, which is why she's like dealt with alcoholism. And her and Tony Stark have a like a relationship because they've both gone through the same things. Um. I wonder if they'll have that in the film. I wonder. I don't know, Well, I mean, this is the nineties, but maybe in Vengers. Yeah,

she uh. And the other Marvel character that I think of when you say that is Jessica Jones, who they did show in the Marvel Netflix film dealing with alcoholism. And that's what I liked about her is that she was able to be flawed in the way that Carol is.

I think Carol is kind of obviously like Jessica Jones UM, who's also seen as like a street level ish, like you know, Marvel hero, but kind of more I don't know, I don't think she's held in the same regard I would say the way that Captain Marvel is like she's held alongside um Captain America, UM, where they're seen as

this like righteous you know. And I don't think anyone thinks that about Jessica, which I relate to her more like you know, we talked with Tara about how Harley Quinn, you know, is seeing and it's like, well, I like that. I like because I relate to them. I don't always relate to the more like righteous, upheld like law abiding superheroes. Um. But I do like that they added that for her because it seems like you know, with Wonder Woman. I love Wonder Woman, but she's very and I say this

in the most loving way. I've always seen her as the mother of Earth. I've seen her like as the mother in the in the Justice League, Like she is compassionate, and I don't mean that in a bad way. I just mean she's she's um nurturing. She has all these traits that like some of her other male counterparts like don't have, which I think is necessary. I think I don't see those as a weakness. I see those as a necessary part of being a superhero. She loves us

even when we don't deserve that. I see that as a mom, Like that's something my mother would do. Is like she she can't help herself but love us, love humans. Um. But she doesn't have as many flaws. She doesn't she's not an alcohol like, she doesn't have a wonder Yeah, she's so innocent, just so a childlike in a sense because she and that's what like in No Man's Land, she's like she doesn't get it, where Like I don't know if Carol would be like she because she's just

like a badass. She would just be like, I'm going out there, like I'm not listening to guys. Like she does her own She does her own thing. Yeah. The one thing I will say I love about Wonder Woman is that she she doesn't listen to men because she never grew up in a world where they existed, so she doesn't know to listen to them. Like I love that she just when they talk and she was like okay, and then she's like cool, thanks, and she just like

does her own things. It's because in our world, you know, and so much of literature and texture and text and even if we're looking at the Bible, it's like you must um honor and obey your husband, and she just didn't grow up with that. She didn't grow up in our society where that where you're supposed to do that. So when she encounters men telling her what to do, she honestly she's just doing She's just like, oh I

what I don't. She honestly is just doing what what she would do anyways, because she doesn't have any she wasn't raised like that. So it's my favorite thing about her, even if it is kind of in like a I don't ways say innocenter, na naive, But even if it's kind of in a she didn't mean to She just says like what, no, I don't have to listen to you. Why would I listen? And also she's royalty, so she you know, doesn't have to listen to civilians. Um. I do love that about her. So what do you see

as the future of Captain Marvel? Well, I mean, you know, everyone says that she's going to come and beat Thanos. Yeah, um so I think that was her powers that would give that would well, that was the thing is that they, Um I think that they struggled a little bit with because she is so like Superman in the sense that he's like really hard to beat. Oh yeah, um so

she's just so powerful. Obviously she takes like a beating, but um she can she just absorbs everything she can absorb like a punch and then bring it back at you like so and like in a in the comics, then she's up there fighting spaceships and taking like all of the fire and she just absorbs it all and then throws it all back at them. Um. So I think that she's she's a match for Thanos. So that's personally, and we'll see what happens. I personally think that she's

going to rescue Tony Wow, because she's up there. Yeah, because she can be in Spain so and and that would be super cool if it really did happen, because they have like this relationship in the comics, not anything like romantic, but like like a buddy, you know, relationship, because they have so much stuff in common. Um, Like he calls her care bearer in here, you know how he is. He gives he gives everyone nicknames. Um. But yeah, and then the Flirkin. I think it has something to

do with the Flirkin. They have like time pockets in their mouth and they can make they can like multiply. And that's what's really cool about this is that the Kelly Sioux run in two thousand fourteen, Rocket was in it, and that was like around the time when Guardians came out, So I was super into Guardians and everything. Rocket and grew and he shows up in her comic and he's trying to kill her cat, and she doesn't know that

it's a flirkin. She just thinks it's a cat, and then it turns out that it multiplies into a million cats and rockets. Like I told you, it was a flirkin. So that's like a big thing. And that's why I can't tell if they're marketing cat as much because it's cute and they did really well with Groot. Yeah, I think it's because if it's because it's a flirkin and it's like the key to saving the world, not maybe not necessarily saving the world, but it's like the key

somehow to fighting Thanos is the cat. That would be really funny. Um. I do also think because it's cute and people love the Internet loves cats. I mean, look at what they did with Porgs. You know, they were pretty smart of like, I think, we can sell a lot of things and Disney is in charge, so yeah, um, but that would be fascinating. I mean Guardians now that she's introduced, right and she does a lot of stuff with them in the comics, so that's she could be

in Guardians three three. Yeah, she could be up there.

I think that she's well, you know, the all the original Avengers are the ones that are left, and so I think, you know, after the snap, oh, she's going to create and she's the leader of the Avengers, of these new Avengers, So maybe they're they're doing like a little transition here into the next ten years of the m c U. Look, if we could get America Chavas in there, I'm voting for her because yes, so if we're talking about the newer Avengers, she captain Marvel America Chaves,

Miss Marvel like you were girls. Yeah, these are all like the characters that I love that they when they popped up in the Lego game, I was like, oh my god, they put them in like Ms. Marvel and her black leotard is in there. She's like an unlocked character, which I'm sure a lot of people when they unlocked her were like who is that? Um? But like, she's been around forever, so this is her time she's going

to be. If people wanted to get into that New Avengers, which they also have an animated UM series as well, Marvel Rising. Marvel Rising. Yeah, if people wanted to get into at the comic that originally came out. It was like a couple of years ago. What would what is that comic that they would be getting in um um is Avengers. Um. There's so many girls, you know what. Kudos to people that keep up with all of this and can separate them all. I'm sure that person is

Hector Navarro. Even me as a big America Chaves fan. I'll have to send you a picture I have. I think I probably got them from your shop. I have to. I have America Chaves her Beyonce cover for those that don't know she did. Uh. I think it was from Lemonade. Yeah, I think that's really cool. I have her ultimates. Ultimates is what I owe the ultimates. Yeah, this was I'm sure that maybe we'll do a review. I know. The

only thing that I would say is um. In closing, there's and there's been a lot of hate directed at this movie that hasn't even come out yet, and so much so that Rotten Tomatoes had to essentially revamp their entire site. Yeah, because and this happened too with Black Panther. When Black Panther came out, people tried to down vote it essentially even though it I mean no before it came out. Before it came out, people tried to downvote it so that its ratings would drop, and this happened

with Captain Marvel. They downvoted it or reviewed it, you know, using only like one stars and stuff, even though again unless you're pressed, you haven't seen it. Um and so essentially Rotten Tomatoes had to change it so that you can no longer so like fans can no longer review a film before it's come out, because they were essentially just doing that to drop her score, and her score ended up dropping to be the lowest her It was lowest rated film in the entire m c U because

of this. Yeah, and it's really really I mean, I don't even want to spend too much time on it. If you all have been listening to our issues about what happens with women when they try to join the conversation. Um, all Brie Larson asked for was that she wanted more diversity. She wanted that to be considered and kind of that put first with her interviews because just speaking behind the scenes, it is very hard. Most outlets do not really have a full roster of people of color, and even then

they're not really given the opportunity. I'm in I'm in group chats with other journalists and we see this a lot of times, they're not given the opportunity to even speak to these actors or interview these filmmakers. And so it was really important to Brie Larson that she did give the opportunity to women and people of color, and for some reason that made other journalists very angry. It was insane that her just saying, Hey, this is a

priority for me. I've noted, I've noticed this issue that we don't have a lot a lot of women and people of color um interviewing us, you know, especially with other films, and she's like, I really want to make it a point. Men got upset about it and down voted her thing. I actively, I actively had to unfollow multiple male journalists that I follow for saying like, I can't believe that she's made us feel unwelcome and I

want to be like, welcome to my life. That's been if he and I his life, our entire life is not being the front and center welcomed one. So anyways, I just want to say I think she's amazing. I think she's doing what she is an ally, she's doing what she's supposed to do. Um, I will I will continue to say this. Women of color the least paid, least represented members of the nerd community period period. In fact, I had a guest badge to UM. Anytime I do a panel, I get a guest badge for UM for

a guest to come. And I posted on Facebook and I said I'm looking for a woman of color if they would like to have my guest badge. And someone complained like, well, I'm a man, blah blah blah, I guess I can't have it. And I was like, listen, dude, Like I said, women of color are the least represented in this spot. If I want to give my guess badge to another woman of color so I can make some space for her in something that costs three d dollars to get into and is also isn't actively trying

to invite women of color. And I want to use my platform in my little bit of space to bring someone else in with me. That's the whole thing. We have to reach down the ladder and pull each other up or else we're not getting in. So I'm just um, I'm I feel bad for what is happened. Like the amount of abuse that she has taken for just saying that she wants she'd even say that. She didn't even

say that those are the only people she wanted. She just said that she wanted to make sure that they were given, you know, the same courtesy as everyone else. And justin saying that, it was like she was invalidated completely and had the site. You know, Luckily, Rotten Tomatoes stepped in because for a while she was just down

voted completely. So if you're not on Twitter and in and in this world, and you're just a you know, family that's thinking of taking your family to see this and you see that it has the lowest rated score, you might not. So I'm really glad that Rotten Tomatoes stepped in and did something about it. But I don't know. These are these are the conversations we're going to continue to have on here. But things are luckily looking up. I think she's gonna be awesome. I think she's going

to kick I think that she is. I think Bretty Larson was a great pick for this, and I'm excited to see what she's gonna do. Yeah, I think it's good that she's I mean, you could see from her other choices and movies that she's taken on and like when she was at the Oscars and hugging all the ladies, it's just nice like to be there, yeah, and just like use your platform to be, like like you said, reach back and help others. Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I feel like to Jessica chas Stain is someone that

has been a huge ally. When she found out that Octavia Spencer wasn't being paid as much as her, she told Octavia Spencer, Hey, this is how much they're paying me, just so you know. Octavia Spencer asked for more money because of that and was able to get more money, but she wouldn't have known that they were paying her less. That is an ally. That's an ally, and we have

to look. I feel like so much, you know, women are against each other so often, and these are women who are really really trying to say, hey, I know that we've been I know that these women have been pushed out of this community, and I want to make sure that they are included. It's not even that I want to include them over, you know, and I want to I want to make sure that her voice is heard. So something that you Tiffany are also doing at the Perky Nerd. I'm going to bring it all the way back.

Thank you for joining us today to talk about Captain Marvel. We will get Wait, this was just an introduction to you know, the character of Captain Marvel. We will get into her and continue to talk about her as you know, the movie comes out and we can reassess some of these some of these, you know, things that we thought may or may not happen. And if you know now that she's officially an m c U. Yeah, so, tiffany

where can everyone catch you? Um? You can? Well, I will actually be at El Capitan um seeing the movie on opening night. Oh so you mean people can actually walk up to you? Ye? Okay, but I'm kindly scared. Okay. We normally say where what is your social media handle? So people can follow she's telling you where you can actually find her physically. I'm scared. I'm scared. I don't want people to see my reaction. Uh. If you don't like it, you like it too much? You don't like it?

Yeah yeah, yeah, but after that you can come and see me and get all the comics because you're gonna love this character. Um at the Perky Nerd in Burbank. It's one six zero six West Magnolia Boulevard. It's a little mom and pop boulevard right here in l A. And um, you can go to the Perky Nerd on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook to find us and follow us. Um. But the that's very important. Oh yeah, I might take

you to a different Perky Nerd. Yeah. So it's the Perky Nerd and you also have a lot of art. Uh yeah, it's a little bit Captain Marvel up you haven't yes, yeah cool. Yeah. And if people ever want to order prints, yeah, um, we do put a lot of stuff on the Perky Nerds store dot com. Um. Um, yeah that we do a lot of a lot of events.

We have a lot of people come out and do signings. Um. Like we had the Little Golden Book artist um for Captain Marvel, which, by the way, if you don't know Captain Marvel and you are an adult or you're a five year old, you should get this Little Golden Book

because it's a great introduction to the character. It shows her in the Air Force, it introduces you to her fighting with the Guardians, it introduces the cat um and it's like super easy, super beautiful and you would know all about this character before you go see the movie. Oh so cute. Um, I am at miss Danny Fernandez and all the things and what else I don't know. Follow me on Twitter. Oh yes, thanks to everyone that

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