Episode 29: Buffy the Vampire Slayer

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wearing a Gloria shirt. When I went to the Life of Pablo Tour, I wore the Life of Pablo Tour merch I went I bought when I saw the first time because I went to see it twice. Uh didn't hold up. What a rough ass year for Kanye fans. You know, we first Kanye then Taylor Swift. They flipped sides. Like I said, it's like a third the third movie in a trilogy. And uh and Taylor Swist good, can't you way betrayed us? All? Uh? You know, look you have to have that. Really we had that. But now

I think we're coming out of it. I'm hoping that this is actually the part, like this is the act too. Things get real dark and then they get a little darker before the dawn. But we'll see what happens. And Danny, when you say, who made up that rule? Metal nerds and they're dumb metal nerds made up that rule. Yeah, it was all grunge and metal dudes. And then they like, you can't wear the shirt. You got to buy a

new shirt. Yeah, and to bring it back to nerdives and it was probably because the gate keeping somebody was like, oh, you you like you like fist Fire, Then name five of their top hits and why are you wearing their shirt to the show and strong We'll take you. That's always my go too is that Trapped song strong take on anyone, you know what. I worked at Game Works for a while and Trapped was one of the songs and then videos we played most often g TV. How

can you? We're just gonna keep singing everything. Um. Yeah, welcome Tontificent. We have with us the host of the Tits and Fights podcast, as well as a host at Screen Junkies, Dale Radford. Thank you guys so much driving me. Yeah, you're one of our best friends. Yeah, it's true, it's true. Uh, we're covering Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which you were the obvious choice because you just love it so much. Yeah,

I'm really I guess too. I started watching Buffy right when it was ending, okay weirdly enough, so I started in the seventh season, which most people think is like the crappiest on up n on up n Yes, um, and so a lot of people think it's like not the best season, but that was the one I started on because I saw Firefly first, and then when I got canceled, I was like, let me go back and

check out. Also, you're not loud because we're close to the It might just be your phone because I'm really loud and then our guests are always quieter than me, so it'll because I am the loudest person, please be. You got your wrestling voice on, so you know. Uh so, Yeah, Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Everyone pretty much knows it as a show, but it really started off as a movie. I actually knew about the show before the movie, and I was like, what's the bootleg movie? It does feel

like a bootleg movie after you've seen the show. It feels like the cheaper version of that. Yeah, there's a reason why that we get into as to why it came out the way that it did, but just starting out. The creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer Josh Sweden uh He is an American screenwriter, director, a comic book writer known for creating the shows of Angel, which came after Buffy Firefly, and writing directing the Avengers film as well as Age of Ultron sort of skipping Dollhouse and doll House.

You know, he has a lot of things on here. He also was one of the screenwriters for Toy Store, which got him an Academy Award nomination. We could go on forever, but we are talking about Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Danielle we're talking to make fun of that. I just wanted to make fun of Dollhouse. Okay. So when he went into Buffy the Vampires, when he was going into Buffy the Vampire Slayer, he was coming fresh off of

the show Roseanne. Do you know that I did, which is like such a weird Well, he was like a comedy writer. Yeah, and so he My understanding is so his folks are both writers in England. Um, and so that is how he became a writer, and Roseanne was one of his biggest gigs before he was able to go do Buffy. Yeah, he also did was like a script doctor Princess princess who for I just got that reference um for for um like Twister and water World and and movies like that, other movies that didn't work

behind the scenes. So, yes, he was coming fresh off of Roseanne, and he wrote the screenplay about Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He says that Rhonda the Immortal Waitress was really the first incarnation of the Buffy concept. This isn't quote the idea of some woman who seems to be

completely insignificant who turns out to be extraordinary. He basically wanted to go against the Hollywood formula of a little blonde girl who goes into a dark alley and gets killed in every horror movie by making that little blonde girl the hero instead. And uh yeah, so he wrote the screenplay for Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which is great and also one of the reasons why. And we'll talk about this, i'm sure later when people have been complaining about the reboot um which again is not going to

be it's not like a retelling. We don't know what it's going to be yet. But yes, the idea that you take a black woman who is also one of the first people to get killed in a horror movie and you make that person and you center them. It continues the legacy of Buffy. But blah blah blah. Also, just it's not real. It's sci fi. There's vampires, so whatever. People like, how could it be a black woman because

it's sci fi, like it could be. Actually, I'd say it classifies as a neo fantasy because we're talking about vampires in the lines. You could have demons that can't have like people of color. Yeah, no, that was the excuse forever with Game of Thrones and like there's dragons like it doesn't. Well, it's just because they were in this time, in what time? And dragon time? Well, what time is that. It's a different continent. It's not it's

not our earth. Well, if I can pause them and then meet them on the same playing field, they are still wrong. There is a common misconception that black people didn't exist in medieval time because of the way that

we're taught history. But teach them. There are many good resources online now, like Medieval POC, which will show you many medieval era art that shows black people not only existing but being in monarchy and high positions and nobility in fancy, fancy fancy outfits, not just like oh I'm a maid or whatever, because you all just like manifest one day, how does it even work? We're like zeus, he just like cleaved us out of the head of another just like one day and egg cracks and a

black person comes out, like, what the heck happened? How do they think that? I'm just confused by the I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you. Oh no, it's no, this is a good convo. And no, you're right, because I almost don't blame anyone because we're not even talk like if you remember when the Moors were discussed, you the language used is Muslim, which there were primarily Muslim, but they were black, and but that's never specifically said. So you hear Moores and it sounds like another type

of person, unless your teacher were to elaborate. Oh, it's like a darker Italian. All right, let's go back to exactly four years after me and Danny first came to this trash read me. The film went into production at one century Fox. The comedy about a valley girl turned vampire slayer starred Christie Swanson, Luke Perry, and Donald Sutherland. Wanting it to be a summer blockbuster, they rushed the

production of the film. Josh Weeden said of the movie, there were certain people instead who clearly didn't get it or care about it. And I'm not talking about the director. I'm talking about other people that it made me crazy and I eventually left. The movie was released on July thirty one. Didn't do so hot. I didn't do so hot at all. I loved it. I remember when the first Buffy the Vampire Slayer, like I shouldn't say the first.

I remember when Buffy the van Bear Slayer came out and something that I've talked about in multiple places and multiple platforms. I love me a bad movie. I love them so much, and so for me, Buffy was a really fun bad movie. I remember you loved Venom, Um. I did because it's hot, trash and it's amazing garbage. Oh it's garbage. If you don't like garbage and you want something that's well made with characters you care about,

don't watch Venom. Do you want to watch something that's trash and that brings you back to the nineties and makes you think, like a man, this is like Mortal Kombat the movie, Go see Venom. But again, if you want to care, don't do that thing. Um. But so when I found out about the Buffy for um that was coming out for the WB at the time, I didn't take it seriously because I was like, Oh, they took this thing that was one of my hot, garbage

favorite movies, and now they're making it too serious. Because when you looked at the promos, they were plugging it as though it was something that was very serious. They weren't. Yeah, they weren't really honing in on the humor unless you watched it. I think because of the reception that the original Buffy got because there were a lot of jokes that didn't land. And as we know about Josh Weeden as evidenced by my wife Holly Berry in X Men, you either get his weird ass dialogue or you don't get.

If you don't get it, it doesn't land. And maybe it serves you to ask, Maybe it serves you. Um, And they've done a lot of talk about how Sarah Michelle Gellar asked a lot about his weird yet. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get into that in the in the episodes, but it didn't do that and he moved on with his life. Uh and then um, then sand Dollar Television executive GAYL Berman actually approached Weeden with the plan to bring Buffy to the TV. So I guess it did.

It didn't do well, But like the concept of the idea of having this because at the time too, they were talking about like girl power and the Spice Girls were really big at that time, so they definitely didn't have I feel like a female superhero protagonist, right, And I'm trying to remember what was happening at CW at the time, But there were other shows like Popular, There were a lot W sorry w B. There were other shows like Popular and things that were very female driven,

and so I think they were specifically looking for something that was female driven. This was also during the time of um what I like to call the Outdoor Walk Around. I'm sure they have a better name, but it's you know, the Zena's, the Hercules, the the They did that reboot of Robin Hood would start the guy that played Will and Robin Hood men in tights and it was weird

but hot. So this was happening at the point where it was like, oh, yeah, it's all of these people just like walking and not watching the underwear and fighting bad guys and then walking to the next place where they can't watch the underwear. And so they also they even did um A live and part of that was also helped because everything is kind of cyclical. What by what was happening with the Power Rangers. They did a reboot of Teenage Turtles at the time, which added a

woman turtle named Venus de Milo. When everyone was like, but yeah, it was a beautiful time because things like that could happen and twit and didn't didn't exist. People were complaining about it on news groups. Yeah, no one ever saw it. Yeah, we got to live life. We have to live our lives and not be like what vetus think. Big enough titties. Why don't I want to turtle? Yeah, I can say here right, No, it's gonna get Why don't I want to gently hug that turtle for five minutes?

Still believe that? So? Yes, horizontally, NBC passed on the idea of Buffy, so did Fox. But the w B, which you had stated, which was actually only two years old at the time, did want to them to do a presentation. So they started casting, and they came across a seventeen year old Sarah Michelle Geller, who was already an Emmy Award winner. For all my children, yeah, so and all my children. I believe I'm not mistaken because I was watching it at that time. I was in college.

I have nothing better to do, and I have cable, so I was watching a lot of soap operas when I would come home from different things, and she was playing a character who I believe was twenty four years old, like she was playing and making it. It's fine. It's weird, but it's fine. But I think her an angel like that was you know, it's not as bad as the movie teen, which okay, but it's still pretty not great. But so I remember when she came on because one of the big deals was that she was a teenager

that was able to play someone so much older. And I remember Sarah Michelle Geller, oh my god, this is me um aging my from a show called Swan's Crossing that was um a show that came out during a summer of a year. I want to say it was two or ninety three, and it was about a bunch of kids because essentially what people learned about those summer episodes of a Nino two and No or of a UM Saved by the Bell was that you could do summer episodes of something and people would be watching because

there's nothing else there, and teams are watching. And so Swan's Crossing, to quote something my stepfather would say, this m had everything. It had um evil twins, a band that might not be a good band. It had Sarah Michelle Geller with her first nose at not shaming, just true um as a social light who was like the hot popular one that was trying to get to I believe his name was Shane McDermott and he only went

on to make a skateboard move. And at the end of it, it turned out that the Black nerd and I thank god the Asian nerd, huh. At the end of it, they discovered a new kind of rocket or rocket fuel and the government came to shut the town down. That's how it ended. So it also had these elements of like weird sci fi and like spy stuff, which I didn't know at the time, but that's my wheelhouse.

I watched every episode. I was a cheerleader for on base cheerleading because I was I grew up as a military kid, um, and I was with a bunch of the other twelve year olds. But I looked like I look now, and so I was like, I gotta my uniform fits different. I feel I feel weird, and so I quit. And I really got into the show. And everyone's like, well, Danielle quit because she really hated cheerleading

and wanted to watch the show. I'm like, no, I quit because I look like your mom and it's like upsetting. I would love for you, like if you meet Sarah Michelle Geller, which we can work out because Mark's really good friends with Freddie. Um. Yeah, and I want to meet Freddy because Freddy used to write for w W E I Girl. When Mark and I were dating, there were so many nights when they would have like game nights,

and I was like, I just need a kid. Are you gonna have a game night like a couple's night? Can we go over? And then now I'm not dating them, so it doesn't matter, but I can still maybe squeeze in there. What I was gonna say is, I would love if you met Sarah Michelle Gellar to be like I loved you and Swan's crossing, like, don't bring up probably because I don't bring up anything she's done since then, So that's trash. Danielle, I love it, No, do it?

I mean she might like it. Um, I think she'd laugh. Yeah, so she So she auditioned for the role of Actually, she first audition for Cordelia Chase before eventually being cast as Buffy. This is in quotes from the casting director Marcia Shulman. At the time, we were all trying to find our way to make the show something its own thing apart from the film. We didn't think of Sarah as Buffy because we thought she was too smart. It's not crazy. She was too smart and too grounded and

not enough of a misfit in a sense. Because Buffy was this outsider. How could Sarah be an outsider? She's so lovely. So he brought her in as Cordelia and she was fantastic as Cordelia. Then we went to the network. They knew that Sarah was a star from her previous work and that she could be Buffy and that we

could do that Buffy. I mean, and this is such a great insight into how Hollywood works, just assuming who can be smart you can't, well, assuming there's there was so much that went on first off, the casting choice that they're like, all right, well, this is how we feel that she's betrayed, and then networks like, no, she's going to play the main character because she's a name, so so so that that's something to go in a

pilot season. Remembering when you're auditioning for Lee's that you know all it takes is one, uh, one name to come to bump your whole life off of a list. Look, this is why we missed soap operas because there used to be so many of them, and they used to cast anyone that was hot. Yeah, and now that job goes to when I was at New York Comic Con.

It was so funny because there would be like just it would be a hot young person and people would be screaming, like line to people, just screaming waiting for them outside of our little green room. And uh, I remember one of the artists that was with me was like, who is it. I'm like, probably from the c W. And then and now every time they saw a hot because it kept happening, like anytime there was a hot young person, they're like, it's from the cwe probably any hot,

any hot, Yeah, yeah, they're from the CW. They're acting skills, can be whatever, but they certainly are hot and unthreatening. The world is so weird, like that whole screaming thing. Like I remember when I went with Echo to the e W Stack party and they had just that weird line of people who I still think are paid to like stand in front of the think they're not they're fans.

So they came and I was with Um. I drove because I'm a dork and not a rich dude who was going to pay for an uber X to this Hollywood party, and so I was given Echo and then our friend Amber Stevens West a ride and at the time Amber was in Ghosted Echo is Mr Terrific. So they had all these people snapping pictures and it was funny to see someone like they looked at me, they squinted and then just took a picture. Just Oh, maybe he'll be the hot man I'm in love with next season.

But he's not the hot one. I'm in love with this who you are, but you might be somebody well and that was what was so slight. But so when um they did the first crossover between Supergirl, which at the time was an ABC and then The Flash, which is at c W, one of the jokes that they had someone make was you all look like the ethnically diverse, um, you know, attractive but assuming cast of a c W show.

Love it. I love when they're self aware. Yeah, well ABC they stopped making those jokes since an They're like, we're cutting it. Those job did now that you're at the W. So Sarah Michelle Gellar said that she watched the original movie to prepare for the role and that that's actually not what they wanted at all, So she had to come back. She said, and I quote quite a few more times to audition for Buffy before she

got it. And this is literally in fact, Buffy actually didn't get picked up by Warner Brothers after their presentation. So they did this whole thing. They cast it, they shot a pilot or yeah, did a pilot presentation for them, and one of the producers were saying that they looked at what they did pick up and they picked up Seventh Heaven instead. Very different, so very different. Yeah, it looks like they did. But then four months later they finally picked up Buffy the Vampires later. Oh yeah, so

it premiered in March ten. I'm not going to tell you how long it's been since we were born at that time because that's too much math for me. But just know if I was better at math, you would here. But it ran for a minute because it started and ended ten days after the launch in two thousand and three on up N Big Jump. Usually that the up N was where the uh where shows went to die, also where all the black shows were, which is why you people network what they used to be. My mom

called it the underpaid Negroes. Oh your mom, the nice version of you people network. Yeah, but yeah, so U p N but they had the hits. That's where we had to go to watch all I think hits. I mean they had shows that I enjoyed, but they they were not hits. Whatever they know because in blind Items, if you're talking about even the CW, it's still like barely network when they talk about it, And so if you're going back looking at up N, it's probably like, well they network had um what was it? Was it

half and half? Or stepped by the one with Kyla Prette and her dad flex Flex williams oh Flex Remember whence? Yeah, he had a strong The series depicts Buffy Summers, a student at Sunnydale High School who is called to battle against vampires, demons, and other forces of the darkness. The ladies in the line of young women known as the Vampire Slayers are simply slayers in the story. Slayers are chosen by Fate, and Buffy is the newest in the line. But Buffy wants to live a normal life, kind of

like Spider Man. But as the series, it's so funny because we do need that. That's what I like about Miles is like, I feel like every early superhero that was a team who was like I just want to do high school, and I was like, I don't know what you're talking about if I had superpowers like piece out. That's why I like Invincible so much, because he's like, let's go. This is what I've always can't y'all just tutor me. That's what they do want. Yeah, look, I

gotta safe you. I ain't got time to learn. Uh but yeah. So as the series progresses, she learns to embrace her destiny, and like previous Slayers, Buffy is aided by a Watcher who guides and teaches and trains her. And unlike her predecessors, Buffy surrounds herself with a circle of loyal friends who become known as the Scooby Gang. I like that reference. Yeah, that's what happens when you get to be on a w B base net. Who cares you'll be canceled. It doesn't matter because nothing had

a chance of existing. Um, well, they own Scooby Doo, so they can make that. Yeah, but even if they didn't, no one cares. Because the DC shows make references to a lot of stuff all the time. At w B. I really don't think that that rule is that big of a deal. Like, you get all these shows that that with the three of us, do they always like no logos when we're shooting something. I'm like, trust me, they don't care like they like that you're promoting their stuff. Yeah.

If anything, you say no logos because you don't want us to give someone for promo, even though that's what we're talking about, right, It's like, oh no, but if you're wearing it and then you say that you like it, and then I was like, well I paid for this threat shirt, I must love it. Yeah. Also I want them to send me more of this for free. Do the thing those ten thousand subscribers. Um. But yeah. One of the interesting things was that the Willow Rosenberg character

was recast in the pilots UM. So she was originally played and you can find those online, but she was originally played by someone who was somehow even more like nerdy and unrealistic and chubbs and gorgeous thick with two cs. Um. That actress is like twenty I can say that, but thick with two cs. And the network was like, you have to pare that down. So even then Josh paired it down for when they brought Alison Rosenberg in UM and then pared it down again because she was Alison Hannigan, Sorry,

Alison Hannigan House and Rosenberg. Alison Hannigan, I was mixing Willow Rosenberg because she'll always be blowed to me. Leep you how I met your mother? So she um. They toned her down for the pilot and then toned her down again because they were like, where did you go to school? And he was like England and they were like, well, that's not gonna work in California. Kids don't dress that way, and also your forty Yeah. Yeah, So they brought in

Alison Hannigan and she ended up being Willow Rosenberg. Who is her Buffy's best friend or one of her best friends. Yeah, it's her and Xander. And then later more so they re shot the pilot again with her in it. Yeah, like all the scenes obviously, the scenes that were shot were shot and you keep them, but anything that had to be with Willow they wound up shooting. Because you remember in the New Girl pilot they just brought they whitched out, switched it out, and they referenced it in

the episode two, but they didn't change it. They so so and yeah, so what's the character's name? Starts with a w because David Waynes was in JR. Was he was, Yeah, he was in the show. Yeah, he was in the original pilot. Was in the pilot. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They kept him in the pilot, and then when he wasn't in the show, they kept referencing that they and they brought him back, and they brought him back because they loved him, and he can't stop working and not

so good. Come on, it's seen happy endings. All of those happy endings. People are so good. And they ruined all of my shows for a season because after it was got canceled, everyone wanted to give them work. And so suddenly you have him there, you have Alan Patty or Alan right, you have what's his name who goes over to Mindy Project. Um, you have people who suddenly start showing up in all of these shows I love

because people love the show so much. They were giving everyone work, which like great for them, but like, just give them another show chemistry of my show. Just keep happy endings. I run into him. He's at UCB Functions because from yeah, we are actually going to run into the characters right after the breaks, we are back and we're going to talk about some of our favorite Buffet

Vampire Slayer characters. So yeah, So Willow Rosenberg was played by Alison Hannigan and she actually said that she blew her audition. She she was like, I don't even know they wanted her nerdy And Jos said that a lot of the people that came in their idea of nerdy was like, you know, glasses and like being like a stereotypical nerd, and she just came in and was herself and that's what I Yeah, we know here the Pope didn't know. They weren't ready for I mean, I feel

like no still to this day. Every time I go on to an audition and I'm typecast as a nerd and you'll see all these actors like chiseled face, big glasses, I'm like, first off, get these glasses posers out of here, only real glasses on. Second off, some of us can't help our chiseled faces. For for example, chee cheekbones. I can't help my jaw. Okay. I I walked into audition for The Welcome It's called The Neighborhood Now went through so many name changes, but Marcel Spears part audition for

I got a call back. I did pretty okay. I never I knew from the jump it's hard for me to get roles like that because I can play a nerd, but I'm also six one and so it just always you like they'll laugh and then they'll look and be like, yeah, I'm sorry, bro, but you want to be like you want me to talk about Dragon Ball zo, you rip your shirt off your chest and tattooed on you. Gosh.

So then but I went in and I was in there, and I it was like a nerdy engineer character, and I just kind of came as myself, just in a button up just because they did want like a little on the cartoon side. But I didn't want to go too hard because but this also is the same guy who did Big Bang Theory. So I was like, just be a little dressed up and uh. And I went in and the way some of these actors were dressed

was offensive to me because because like the character. When I read it, I was like, oh, this is kind of like me. It's just me if I was an engineer. Yeah, they probably just researched black nerd and like you showed up like if he lifts, so I can probably get away with one Fannie Pack. God, that's so true. Sorry, babe. So Willow Willow. As the series progressed, Willow became a more sort of and even sensual character. I didn't write this.

Um In particular, she realized that she was a lesbian and became a powerful, wicked Holy crap, those are two amazing things combined. They happened at the same time. That's the way did that do? Yeah? The way, that's how

it happens in real life? Like incense BP yep um, Willow is uh, well, it makes sense because because cats and which is the kitties, so many kitties and there are and they did have a kitty for a while, and then there were just so many good moments of doing magic and Willows Buffy's best friend through everything, and yeah, and originally she was super into Xander and then you know, yeah, so Xander. So Xander is also Buffy's best friend, trying

goals with best friends. Yeah, Zander was basically even though this predates Avatar, but just to keep you know, random Avatar pop quiz, Xanda was like the soccer of the group. Yeah, I love Xander. Xander evolves into being something great. Xander's and in Cell, He's definitely like that that first season. My dude, I know I'm going to get some hate. Remember that. I love the series, but the first couple of episodes, Xander's definitely like, well, why doesn't she like

he was a virgin? For yeah, because there wasn't wasn't there a thing where they needed a virgin? And one of his one of his divining characteristics, which is something I loved about the show, was that he was such this like nerdy in cell like stereotype, but every time a hot monster woman came into town, there like I'm gonna get that, you know it. Here's the thing though, that's like my type, not in use, but like the nerdy,

unsuspecting and well and it's always a man eater. So yeah, it's because they don't chase at like they're too they're shine. You just want to dominate them. Anyways, moving on, do we have to Yes, we definitely do. Um Angel, Yeah, we got our man Angel, a character so good and I guess he needed his own show. It's those cheekbones. Look, I look, I get it. I get it. With Angel, he's very like, oh, I've got more eyebrow than a person needs show type. Yeah. See, and he's like tall

for TV. I don't know how tall he is in real life. Everyone disappoints me. Um, he's like five eight tall for TV, though you would be. I am amazed by how tall I am. Yeah, I'm not. I'm five four and I'm not. I'm not strong men unite, no, no, no. I like guys that are around my my I like guys of all all heights, but I'm not. But I'm just saying a lot of people out here, which you

all don't know. I'm not saying five. I'm just saying that's like like when we say tall, that's tall for an actor, because a lot of actor I'm five four and a lot of actors are around my height, and they wind up doing a lot of tricks to make people work they are, which obvious. I mean when you're dealing with Michelle Geller, who I don't know this one off the top of my head, and it feels creepy that I would She's like, what five one maybe, but she she real tiny, so it's very easy to be

very tall around her. Um. But yeah, so you have angel who plays um Angelus, who is a one hundred and I want to say, fifty year old vampire Um used to be a complete pos Irish pos um with an interesting Irish accent. It sounds like me doing an Irish accent where sometimes just slides into Jamaican. It's fine

and like a bad curly wig. And he's like dealing with some gambling debt or something and then uh, some some hot vampiruses find him and are like that one, and it's like why, but then he becomes really hot and evil and so yeah, any and he hooks up with with our lady. Yeah yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. So he becomes um his soul. This is so much. I love nerdy stuff. It's so much. So he like eats and sleeps over the like golden child of this gypsy clan I know. And the clan is like, oh no, Romani,

thank you. But in but in the show they use the really compensive yikes. Also, if y'all don't know to not say jip, don't say jip. It's not a good word. And so the clan is like, oh, well, we're gonna punish you the worst way we know how. And what they do is so when vampires like you die and your body is inhabited by this other thing which is you,

but isn't you because it doesn't have a soul. So an angel becomes the first vampire with a soul, and they throw the soul up in him to punish him, and they're like, you're gonna like have a soul now and have a conscience, and you're gonna hate everything you've ever done, and then only during your happiest moment ever are you going to go back to not having a soul and being angelists. But until then you're gonna be like this really sad, trench cut wearing dude, and there's

nothing we can That's pretty much it. By the way, he is a six one, so he is quite actually tall. Oh look at him and Sarah Michelle Geller at five, so we're the same high nine. Actually, that's yeah, the cast director said. The breakdown said, the most gorgeous, mysterious, fantastic, the most incredible man on the face of the earth.

I think I saw every guy in town. It was a day before shooting and a friend of mine called me and said, you know, there's this guy that lives on my street who walks his dog every day, and I don't know what he does, but he has all those things you're describing. Can you believe that? So everyone signed up for WAG so that you can be discovered being I guess that works. And the minute he walked in the room, I wrote down in my notes, this is the guy. You didn't even hear him speak even here,

just like he hot and look I like David. He was not good at the speaking for the entire first season of the show. If you look at the first couple of episodes, it's like, oh, class, this is so funny. This is what Weeden said. He wasn't sold on him in quote he wasn't exactly my type. Well first of all, and secondly, yeah, he was not good at the acting. He got there and he's obviously great now and he's obviously It's like going back and watching old Brad Pitt

where you're like, we all start somewhere. I think, God, you're pretty Yeah, we all didn't start somewhere. It is funny because like I definitely went in made sure I looked up like nineties David Boreanis and it is like nineties hot, Like this is like peak, Like oh yeah, because like when I heard that, I was like, a, ain't all that, But then like looking I was like, oh yeah back then this is this was it for everyone, like that strong nose Ridge and Freddie kind of like

decent forehead Freddie Prince Jr. Um. Yeah. So then up next we have Giles. We have Rupert Giles, um and and Giles is obviously amazing. Um. He is an actor. He's a veteran British actor. You can see him in like a million episodes of Anything British on the BBC. Yeah, but who was he in this series? So so Rupert Giles is Buffies mentor who has to go undercover as a librarian. Um, which sounds really weird. We don't know what to he has and from England and passed a

background check. There you go. Um. Cordelia Chase. Cordelia Chase is the She starts off as the stereotypical kind of mean girl who was the lead of all of the Terrible Popular Girls, but throughout this series and then later throughout Angel, she becomes a very empathetic and charismatic figure and we actually really really fall in love with Cordelia. Oz Oz is played by Seth Green. He is there. He has a band, they suck, and he falls in

love with Willow because he sees her in an Eskimo costume. Um, which is actually kind of really cute because he always loved her for an intelligence and everyone else made fun of her. And then um he got bit by like his nephew who turns out was a werewolf. And then Oz became a werewolf and had a weird werewolf affair and had to leave the show. God that was like peak Seth Green time too well, he had to go

do you had to do without a ball? We had an Ozz Empowers I think by the time that he was cast in this, and they also had Can't Hardly Wait? Was the teen movie that I knew it was like the Yeah, it would essentially be the equivalent of everyone on the CW doing a movie together. Uh. Spike. Spike was originally a dude called William the Bloody, and he also like he so he was called Willing the Bloody because his poetry was bloody awful and he used to

be like super in love with women. And he found like Angelus's gang in Cordelia and they like turned him into a vampire and then all of a sudden he was like I'm billy oidel mate Um in the seventies and then I'm so good an accents um. And then he winds up obviously going against Buffy and the gang, and then he winds up falling in love with Buffy and they had this weird, controversial relationship. It was, Yeah, it was very spicy, Umilla. It was with Spike. So

Drusilla um. And I'm sorry I keep saying Cordelia when I think I mean Drusilla um. So. Drusilla was again like a sweet, innocent person who was found by Angelus and he was like, I'm just gonna find the sweetest person in town, and I'm a Turner, super evil and then he did, and it gave her psychic powers. We don't know why, we don't know why, and her and Spike were together for forever and then um, she started banging.

I think it was like a chaos demon and they broke up when she came back a few times after that, Cordia was, you know, her whole job was to be manic pixie vampire girl, manic pixie goth girl. And I do think I've said Cordelia a couple of times from Drucilia that's fine, that's fine. Uh yeah, so those are the main I mean, there's so many characters and also like cameos from other celebrities, and just too many to

get through. The helm off is uh something I you hear so much, So I'm excited that we're talking about it. And they mentioned the hell mouth so much in this show and then it doesn't open til the end, right, Well, the idea about the hell mouth, I just I will actually do I am a piece of ship, he asked, I just want wow. So I think about the hell mouth? Is it only actually really opens is like a canyon as a mouth one or two times? What it really is is that the fabric but that separates our world

from demon world. There are a couple of areas on the planet where it's the weakest, and so in those areas where it's the weakest, you're more likely to see you know, more demons, more vampires, more weird demonic stuff. And Sunny Dale lives on a hell mouth. We also know that there's a hell mouth in Cleveland, Ohio. I'm trying to remember if I can think of anywhere else

they've joked about their being helm outs. But yeah, so it's just the idea that you know, if you have, it's like a fault line for evil if you put it that you know and some convenient right, and some places are on the fault line, and some places are closer to where it could be dangerous. And so really the last episode of the series is where it gets like, oh crap, this is a physical thing, whereas I feel

like usually it's more of a because I ain't gotta budget. Um, it's more of a like, oh, this is a week opening for metaphorical Yeah, wow, well you explained everything in the docks, so uh, but just for just for the

b heads, which is my nickname for Buffy heads. Uh. The hell Mouth is first mentioned by name in The Harvest, the second episode of Buffy, while Rupert Giles claims that the original Spanish settlers of Sunnydale called the area PoCA del in pierre No, which Giles then translates to hell mouth in English, which sounds like it was Spanish written

by a white person. That's exactly what whenever through Google Translate or whatever, because it's so funny, because like when you hear like names of things in Spanish, it's never like a like beat for beat English telling because it's like mouth of of the inferno. Because that's how other languages work. Every romantic language works that way. We're the only ones that work the way that we work, where like the this thing goes before, the subject goes before

or whatever. Usually it's like combined with a thing. Yeah, technically, okay, this isn't the language, you know, It's okay, Well, we are actually talking about language because we're gonna talk about buffy speak, which was the name for what you were

talking about the way that John Weeden writes. Yeah, so it's a lot of I mean, if you want to talk about the easy way to talk about buffy speak, take something, you know, verb, yourself a noun or now and yourself a verb, add yourself and E two an to the end of a word that isn't an e. A sentence might be if you wanted to break up with someone, say something like I feel breakup. Things like that.

That's kind of what buffy speak is. It's a mixture of um I would say Valley Girl, which is what it's been kind of credited with, but also kind of some of that Dawson's Creaky to spark from my good I do it all of the times creaky, I do it all of the time. I would say due to my influences that my speech pattern is probably a weird combination of like nerd voice, which is a voice that we have which you know, it's hard to talk about in an episode, nerd voice, Buffy speak, black stuff, like

that's what I sound like. Yeah, I think everyone's like, oh yeah, and everything I've heard up until this point is confirmed. But yeah, no, it's so funny because you know, buffy speak is interesting because yeah, I think a lot of us use buffy speak, especially nerds, and I feel like people in the l A space, and I wonder if it's one of those things where like TV made people think that this is how people in l A

talk in l A picked it up. I also think that it's something that influenced pop culture so much an influence are there writers so much that a lot of shows speak and Buffy speak without realizing that they're doing

it or without calling attention to it. Because I found it in shows like Insecure where they've they've had a dialogue in a way where I'm like, oh, that's Buffy talk, and the same way that when you talk about that kind of West Wingie walk and talk style, and you see it everywhere now, but it's so commonplace that it's hard to go back and place it. I think it's the same thing where it's just permeated pop culture so

much it's affected the way a generation of nerds talk. Yeah, all right, well, let's keep keep the ball rolling and talk about the comics. Now. The comics are crazy because they're still on the stands last I checked, and they might have ended at this they're still going, still going. Um so I and I can't unfortunately remember what season we're on, but they do with the angel and with Buffy, it's like Buffy season eight, Buffy season nine, Buffy Season ten, Um,

same with angel Um. There was a great comic that came out around the time of the seventh season which actually for me, which would which would help if you read it, because it explained some of the stuff in the seventh season, which was called Frey and took place hundreds of years in the future, And to me, that is my favorite Buffy comic and I recommend it to everyone because it it's really good and it's so different than when you're used to But of course they do

the Buffy comics, and and they've done Spike comics and spinoff comics, and many of the writers have been you know, I think Money Knox and has written one. Amber Benson, who plays Tara, has written quite a few, and then other people have just also done them. And they're supposed to be continuations of the plot, but doing things at the plot couldn't do because of monetary restrictions, because of shooting. So then sometimes it gets a little isn't that insane?

They when I was looking it up, they did have like they didn't really have a but or else they spent their budget on their cast because jos was talking about how a lot of their stuff was shot in a warehouse and a lot of their a lot of their hallway like high school stuff was shot in the same part music. It's kind of sad actually, like it

was just the same background like every time. Yeah, very much like a Doctor Who, where it's like we know that what makes the show work is the chemics stry between the actors and yeah, and so what we're going to focus on that because we can't focus on big We're not Michael Bay, we don't have Michael Bay money.

We can't focus so they'll say if they're huge set pieces for when it's really important, if a giant snake is going to come and eat a bunch of people, it's gonna be a season finale that could possibly be a series finale, um, because they just don't have the

money for anything else. Yeah, and and it is fascinating because yeah, they had a lot of costumes and masks and makeup and stuff like that, but for the most part, it seemed like a lot of people were tuning in for the relationships and like it kind of turned very soap operating. I think that Buffy is what's set the stage for these new especially the d C EU that you have UM or the the d C C w UM.

Buffy is the template for that. Get a but get seven people, give them all drama and then have you know, a season long arc with a monster of the season and then episode Monster of the weeks, but really focus on the relationships between the people because that's cheaper and also brings people back nice. All right, Well, I thought about this a bunch because and I'm trying to do

them knowing I won't have a budget. All right, so we're gonna jump into some of our favorite episodes because this series very long and we can't just do a beat by beat, but this will be a great place to start and things to check out or some like moments if you're a Buffy fan and we're about to do that after these messages dumb bum bum boom, Hey,

what's up? Iss your boy? If you wire away? Back here with Danny Fernandez, AM my good friend Daniel Radford and we're talking Buffy the Bamfires say please keep that in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Articulate articulate, man, you know you've worked. Articulate agility is a marvelous ability, the tongue, to teeth, the lips. Articulate agility is a mark. I don't think people realize that we record these like late at night and all of us have been talking literally

all yeah, that's our job. So we come in here. Except I'm sorry. I got really excited because today was a day when I've I've been doing the right with my hands. This is the first time I've actually talked to people, which I think is why I'm so like, oh my god, it's your favorite thing. Yeah, it's one of your favorite things. But yeah, we're going to kick it. Off with hush because, uh, look, I'll be the first to say my my Buffy knowledge is very, very sparse.

I wasn't watching Buffy at this time. I think I was busy watching what was that weird X Men show that was on the WB that Mutant next like that. I was trying to Yeah, I was too busy playing Ruinescape to really get into this. But this episode I did see and it almost got me to start watching the show, but I had to get them RuneScape dollars and it was hush uh. And I think what was cool about it was it blew me away, um because

it was scary and interesting and just different. Uh. This was the episode when they were going to be I U. They were invaded by these like weird dudes who like sucked out people's gentleman, the gentleman, and it was was when what did this air? Was it? It felt like it was a Halloween episode, but I'm not sure if it was. Oh no, no, because they did a Halloween

They did a Halloween episode that year. This happened in season four, their tenth episode, because they did a Halloween episode that year, and that was another one that examined how on you Yeah, the Gentleman. The Gentleman, which were creepy villains essentially like came to Sunnydale and they stole the residents voices so that no one could scream. Yeah, that's what it was. And one of them was the dude that plays Mac tonight and was also the fish in the Fish movie where the girl loved to fish.

So what it was was it aired on December and they did like almost Christmas e kind of thing with it, or am I going crazy? I don't know if it had a holiday well maybe because it was in the same way that a lot of holiday and especially Christmas movies go and the the it was really about the idea of when and Josh said this, when you stop talking, you start listening, and so the idea is about like rebuilding bonds. And one of the special things about hushes

it's the first time. Um, I'm gonna go ahead and say it. By this point Angel had spun off. We were a couple of years from Firefly. They were bored and they liked the idea of having a special episode of season and Hush was the first one which was like, oh, we have maybe some license now we can really focus on something really special and so yeah and hush, there is no speaking until the end of the episode and

so everyone everything had to be expressed through physicality. Okay, let me just hear this real quick, just so I can see if I'm crazy or not. This is the promo for it that I saw live on the WB and no, I'm crazy. There was no Christmas theme. I don't know why. I thought it had to do with the holiday, but I think it's as it was a special episode, so it got a lot of special promo. I can see that. Yeah. And Doub Jones, Doug Jones, that's who went on to be the man with the fish.

But as Jamie would say, and he'd been he'd yeah, he'd been through. He'd done a ton of stuff before that. He is an amazing He was also Darth them all right, am I crazy? No? No, your podcast done? And Doug Jones is he's motion acting and that physical kind of acting is something completely different and he's a master of it. And again, can't stresses enough. He was mec tonight. Yes, that's yeah. No, he was so good in it because he was doing things in a hush with his hands

that would freak me out the way he would do. Man, Well, he's just he's so tall and spindly, and he can move I am assuming every joint in his body anyway that he wants to. Oh lord, so I was like Sapien, He's done a lot of stuff. Hush was nominated for an Emmy, which is fascinating because there was only seventeen minutes of actual dialogue in it, and in a forty

four minute episode. And you're right, Danielle that Joss basically said that he wanted to challenge himself because he knew that it would literally he said, I knew that I would literally have to tell the story only visually, and that would mean I couldn't fall back on tricks. I wanted to do something harder. Yeah, like dialogue, which is very much something that he's known for. Yeah. Moving on to our other big one is The Body. I know that you like this episode a lot. It's really popular. Yeah.

So The Body is an episode that takes place in season five. UM. This is the episode where UM Buffy's mom, Joyce passes away, and Joyce had actually said because she started taking more of a smaller role once Buffy went into college, as which is appropriate because she was living in the dorms would be weird if her mom was an episode every episode and she said, you know, I want to take a step back, uh, and and just said you can't leave yet because I'm gonna kill you.

And so Joyce had been battling with cancer the entire season. She had just gone on a really great date. Buffy had just had a really bad time. I believe the episode that came before that was the one where, um, there was a really crappy robot, but it was a really creepy, weird episode. And so she came home and there were these beauty, big, beautiful flowers and her mom is dead on the sofa, and so there isn't you know? This is another one where it's people dealing with this

in real time. It's not about slaying the demon. It's about human emotion. And there's not a lot of music used in this episode or a lot of like background soundtrack at all. It's mostly about the actors, and it's shot very differently. Yeah, it didn't he get an Emmy at least a non for this episode. Probs. I think that all of these are the ones that that Josh loves. Yes, the next one was once More with feeling, which was my friends like favorite episode. But I was like, nothing's

going top hush Man. And this is definitely when you could tell, just to bounce back to what Danielle said, they were bored, They're like, all right, let's do a musical episode. And it started um a series of people doing musical episodes after that, you started seeing that being something that could be more common. So the idea with and this is the opposite of hush, whereas with hush it's like, well, what do we say when we can't

say anything? Whereas with a musical and it's always been the thing about musicals is the reason the idea that a song starts into musicals because your emotion is so big the only way you can express it is by singing. And so that's what this was. And this was during a period where you know, Buffy's friends found out, you know, that she had just went through a really hard time

that they didn't know that she had known about. Um she starts really digging into one of her biggest vices of the season, which was as Bang and Spike and or at least making out with his face. And the songs on this are really fun. They're really catchy. You can find this probably depending on what size of your city, there is probably a once a month hush sing along karaoke thing. Joss has always said that he's really disappointed

feeling yeah, once more, feeling sorry. Yeah, there's usually a once more with feelings sing along, and Joss has always said that he's really disappointed that none of them became pop crossover hits. And it's like, oh, sir, like I loved many members of Glee Club, so yeah. And Sarah Michelle Geller was offered recording contracts and she was like, this is auto too. Don't say, Hey, that hasn't stopped some other people. It hasn't. She could have done it.

You you're saying it doesn't stop other people. Have you heard our man's what's what's what's his name? Rocket Raccoon um Braley Cooper Braley Cooper. Did you hear that song from Did you hear that? Someone played it for me and I was like, girl, yeah, I had to be like with this modern world, I just want to get another look at you. I've been saying that to people all like all month. Hey I didn't want to do Yeah, I that to a dog and the dog was the

most appreciative sense makes sense. So the casts were friends in real life. Obviously that's what happens when you're on a show for I think even three days, let alone five years. But apparently, uh, they would do Sunday Shakespeare read God, y'all are so nerdy. We love you, but you're so nerdy. No, and they continue to do it through Angel and in fact, it inspired a change from one character who went from being one kind of character

to another because those Shakespeare readings. And when he did do what I I remember it off the top of my head. He did end up doing a Shakespeare black and white, Shakespearean whatever um. When he did that, it was inspired by their Sunday night Shakespeare hangouts. That would make it the second thing inspired because at the hangouts, Joss would kind of sit down at the piano and James Marsters had a guitar in his hand and they

would just do jam sessions. So Josh during a four month hiatus, was like, I'm gonna write a collection of songs that advanced the plot of the story and make this an episode. So that's that's how it happened. And every song in there is like a different genre almost and every dance is They have everything from like Spike doing a very soulful alternate rock song, um, I gotta stop being shady. I love this show um to a Fossey inspired song, and they had a you know some

of the writers who are very talented. I think it's a like Petrie if I'm remembering this correctly, and and I believe Marty knox in they both have periods where they sing because they are also people who have voices that that he would listen to sing. So it was kind of it was Ryan Murphy was looking at this and like, this could be a whole show. You're burning you're burning your load on. Oh and you and you wrote your own music and there's music everywhere. Have you

heard the radio? Just take those what are you doing? But I like that spooky stuff and hush, that could be its own show. Basically, I'm My new conspiracy theory is that Ryan Murphy watched Buffy and got the idea of all those other shows like oh man, the Spike guy, he'd be looking good if he vogued a little bit. Let me look up some ballrooms. Oh god, he did kind of Okay, the last one that we have on. I mean, we could talk about this obviously forever. Conversations

with Dead People. So Conversations with Dead People is during the last UM, which the six season is probably the most controversial. The seventh season six. Now they had hopped over to up N because the fifth season was the last season at w B, and honestly, w B was going to drop them, not because of viewership, obviously this was a really hot show. They were going to drop them because of contracts and money, and like, you just

I respect the actors for being like that. Was like that with friends, you know, with Friends, they were going to make a million dollars and like, obviously they weren't at Friends level, but still they were like, no, we deserve this money. Where the your top rated show? And they were like no, and so up N picked them up. But yeah, sorry, so it was a sixth season. Now they're at up N. Well, the sixth season was UM. If I'm not mistaken, let me double check. But the

sixth season was UM. Was once more feeling, oh yeah, yeah, the seventh season is now we they've been in the up N UM. You're right, this is the Conversations with Dead People is in the seventh season So I don't remember when this came out, but Sarah Michelle Geller announced that she was leaving Buffy in an episode of episode we Are of Entertainment Weekly. Um episode in an issue

of Entertainment Weekly. Remember magazines that were physical And according to many people, they did not know that she was leaving until that happened. And so the season was going as it was going to go, and suddenly it wound up being what we've got to wrap this up? Um, And Conversations with Dead People is another one. It starts differently. It starts with a band um singing a thing which is actually a really lovely song, and it's about three

different confort three different things happening. So Buffy is fighting this vampire that it turns out she went to high school with who then like became kind of a piece of ship and studied tekwondo or whatever. And Um and her sister Dawn, who didn't happen until earlier. We don't have enough time to talk about don, but her sister Donald, yeah, which is Michelle Trackenberg, Michelle track and Bird, who was adorable and amazing and we love her. Harriet the Spy,

coming off of Harriet the spy. She was a key in season five, they made everyone believe with Buffy's sister because they knew she would protect her because Buffy loves people. Okay, so then she was like having this thing where um someone was what we find out is the first which is a demon thing that had come across like they'd already encountered in the second season, pretended to be their mom Joyce, who was dead and was trying to like freak her out and be like, Buffy hates you, She's

not going to protect you. And then we have um So in the end of season six, when Willow becomes addicted to magic in the thinnest drug metaphor that has ever been her girlfriend of a few years. By this point, Tara, who had literally been made a featured player in that episod owed, was murdered and this made her go on this huge rampage, and so in conversations with dead people, they had someone who had passed away earlier in the season a character come back and say, Tara wants to

talk to you, but she can't. And the reason why Tara couldn't come back was because the actress said, you know, I don't want this to be the last they see of Tara, because there aren't that many gay relationships on TV and now both her. I don't I've never heard any different, but both her and Alison Hannigan, UM, neither one of them have come out as being gay or queer. UM.

Both of them have been in straight relationships. But it was very important for them that this was This was like one of the first gay kisses, if not the gay kiss on TV. They were a very important gay relationship. It was kind of the beginning of kill your queers, um. And so for her, she said, no, I don't want her to come back. This relationship was too important for her to come back for it to be this thing where she's being played by the first YadA, YadA, YadA.

I'm not going to do it. And it didn't ruin her relationship because I think everyone got it. And she went on to then go on and write in Buffy anthologies and other things for the comic books. I don't think that. I don't know if there's any any animosity there, but it was a way that she put her foot down and said, no, this is an important relationship and I'm not going to Sully. What that meant to people, because she also wasn't working on the show at the time.

She didn't know that Willow was going to wind up getting another girlfriend, and so she was like, I'm not going to sully that by doing this because it was too important. But yeah, that that did is kind of known for at least starting that trope of barrier gaze, which in people that don't know is a is a common thing that still happens, uh way too basically describe what it is, because I don't think we described. Sorry, I said kill your queers, which is also like the

more harsh version that sometimes as queer folx. Basically when you introduce a queer gay character into media and have them have a relationship and then you basically fridge them so that for due reasons, so they're not around and you don't have to worry about any ichy same sex relationships that might freak out the the the the Midwest or whatever. But you still got to do it and

get the credit for having done it. Um even a good movies like The Atomic Blonde did it, which it was so jarring because it almost felt like like I don't want to say it's scene for us, because I like when people do show like queer relationships, but it almost say it felt like it was for the male gaze because you introduce uh this surprise lesbian relationship. They have a sex scene and then she's dead and it was like, all right, this this feels like this was

more just so y'all can get that one scene out right? Yeah? But yeah, so you know, don't be afraid to build lasting relationships. Also, don't be afraid to uh add more than one queer character. I feel like the CW is doing a good job. They are doing a very good job. They're they're working hard to do to have queer representation and people of color that have structured and fleshed out storylines. Agreed. I would say right now they're probably doing the best

job of it. Weirdly enough, yeah, I agree. Uh So, just to wrap this up, we uh we have a reboot coming of the show, Dan, Are you excited about it? Um? That took you a while to answer. It's just I believe that heading the reboot, and I don't know a lot about this because this is one of those things where I'm like, there have been so many rumors of reboots of the show. When I see it. Yeah, So I have to apologize. So the I mean, all the articles are calling a reboot, but the actual uh, the

showrunner who is Monico U Subrien who did it? She worked on Agents of Shield with Josh Weede and she also has the creator of Midnight Texas. She has said that this is not a reboot, or at least I guess yeah. It's more of a co continuation, which makes sense because the way the lore is set up, where there's a Slayer that's born in every generation and then at a certain point in Buffy is like, sorry, spoilers,

maybe this is not the episode for you. But then there's a certain point in which Buffy releases that any woman of that generation that could be a Slayer becomes a Slayer, and so that doesn't It's interesting of what the ramifications of that can be. There can be all of these women running around or young girls at this point. You know, if we're following in the timeline women who could be slayers, you could still have one Slayer being

born after you still did that. We don't know how that messed up, how that works um And so this series was always much like with Dr Who, the idea of being able to carry this on with another character who still keeps the Moore inside them has always been baked in, so that's really interesting. Um. Again, there have been so many talks about a reboot or anything of this that I'm very much like, I will believe it when I see it, but I will cautiously say that

this is the time for it. This is the time for I mean, they just did Sabrina the Teenage, which you know we have, um, we have like Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, we have like all of these. Yeah, this is a titled female protagonist superheroes. So you and and then the new Doctor, who is the new Doctor for this is the time to have this, this show. So it makes sense. It does completely make sense. Um. And I you know, I think that the show run is

going to do a great job. I think that I always worry with any reboot just because you always do. So I feel like I'm going to get Like with Sabrina, I was a little bit worried, and then I saw the first previews and I was like, no, that's going to be dope. And with the New Doctor, some of the previews that BBC was putting out that had like weird like pop music behind it and didn't feel like the doctor. I was like, what are you doing? And then I watched the first episode I was like, Oh,

she's the Doctor. And so I do feel like before I start getting really on the hype train, it'll be when they start releasing stuff. Also, you know, the TV show just isn't the only one getting a reboot. Boom Studios just announced that NYCC, which Danny was at holding it down, that Buffy the Vampire is going to receive an entirely separate comic book reboot, overseen by Josh Whedon. So it's gonna be O G, triple O G. We'll see, we'll see what happens. Um, that'll be exciting. I'm excited

mostly because Boom Studios does a great job with these properties. Um, they are making sorry guys, for my money and for my time, the only w w E comic ever that's been worth anything. Sorry mcfoley. Um, the Boom Studios WWE comics do a great job of fleshing out the stories that are behind these storylines and making you really care

about these character interactions. And so if they can do that with what you're given with w W which is you know, you have characterizations that change from week to week, YadA YadA. Sorry, also a huge wrestle head. I am more than confident that they'll be able to take over something with such a huge lure. Yeah, and speaking of all that stuff you all are saying about this being the time, it seems like they are definitely making sure like it is going to take place in two thousand nineteen.

So the world as it is is going to affect the characters. So that should be interesting to see. And also that's a new way to get a new take. You can even like revisit old stuff and see how it would change versus being in the nineties versus do you imagine that's having to deal with vampires on top of everything we're dealing with time. Actually, it actually would make sense. I'd be like, Okay, that's what we're saying the planet because they needed to be vampire time all

the time. You know what, That's a fascinating thing because on True Blood it was like it was it was humans verse vampires, you know what I mean. It was like the one even then they had racism and stuff too, but I mean it was like the one thing that you would think would finally reunite people from different parties is like, oh, this thing that is trying to stuck our blood like kind of like an alien movies. You know, it's like, oh, now we're all on the same page.

We're not. But it's except it won't because I bet the people who are trying to get power now we're just gonna find ways to be vampire to an event. Yeah that's good. I mean, yeah, it's true because you know, you know, if we were expecting outside interference to unite America, we've already proven that it wouldn't. So it's so true. Some people might get mad because we're getting political. Um now you want to know some Yeah, and a lot of these directors like Jos actually follows me and a

bunch of other ones. And I just want to say it is because because I feel like, of my political stuff, I was just gonna do a sorry, not so our type response. No, but I'm so tired of people telling us like stick to comedy or stick to nerve. I'm like, no, actually, I have a lot of respected directors and actors that follow me because yeah, I write tweets about hooking up

with optimist prime, but also political stuff. Literal hooking up though, because I mean, he could you know, I think it's just like no, like it's because here's the thing is, there is like a beauty to like to thinking that one can just stand idly by, uh and just let it go. But it's like, if you want me specifically and Danny, you're gonna have to take all of us and we're going to talk about the things that affect us.

And you know, if that's just too much for you, then you know there, I promise you there are tons of nerve properties that try and sidestep this stuff. We're gonna do is we're gonna ask you to get out there and vote, and you know, look, just care about other people. I think that's the baseline parties aside care about other people in mind your business. And I promise you, yeah, yeah, I'll probably be cool with you. Can I vote and still not care about some people? Yes, as long as

you vote? Uh? So yeah, a lot of um just while we have you here and because it's close and because I'm gonna just talk to you about it. Uh, A lot of voter registration deadlines are coming up. Make sure you get out there and vote. And you know, like I said, let's just take care of each other. You know, all all the other business aside, take care of your fellow person, because that should be the least of what you're doing. Uh, no matter how you want

to find a solution to these problems. Uh So, where can people find you, Danielle Um? Well, you can just find me at daniel Radford on Twitter, Danielle Underscore Radford on Instagram. Um My podcast Tights and Fights, where we talk about rsslin um on the Maxi Fun Network, goes up every Thursday. You can also see me on Thursdays at Screen Junkies and um hopefully everywhere. I'm just trying to take over everything. I like do word typing with

my hands. Face. Now, don't you have a patreon to I do have a Patreon, and my patreon is just Danielle Radford. And my tears are small because I know how much um me doing additional wrestle talk is worth and it's probably not more than ten dollars. So um so, my my two. But it's a lot of really good chances to hang out with other folks to hang out with me. Um we do like once a weekly hangout since really nice. So yes, and actually Danielle is on two episodes of fan Girling, the show that I host

at Nerdice. So one just dropped this next week, so sheet, so catch out the first two episodes. They are amazing, They're so funny, and we talk about more Nerds stuff. Yeah, I'm gonna be doing um some field work with fan Girling as well, so um in the next couple of months, you can check me out doing some of that stuff too. Yeah, and uh Anywren, Oh, I'm at ms Danny Fernandez. Um,

check out fan Girling. It's dope. It's it's women talking to female creators, and it's it's cool and it's really funny and chill, and I'm sure have other things to promote. I had a really good time at New York Comic Con. Thank you to everyone that came out to see me. It was amazing. I got to show my that I'm I get to play myself and Ralph breaks internet, which is so cool. And I got to see my scene live when I was hosting the panel in front of

a thousand people and that was really cool. And Disney has been nothing but a dream to work with and I love them and um, yeah that's my those are my announcements. Nice nice, and you know me. You can catch me at if you Wadway on Twitter and Instagram, if D's on Twitch. Thanks for coming through Twitch. Dreams

are gonna get back to their regularity. It's been overwhelming first few months as I started at BuzzFeed launching which is now live BuzzFeed Multiplayer, the video game based BuzzFeed Note where I'm dropping hits with Kelsey, Impeach, Kay and Zach here nasty. However, you say that Russian last name, so definitely check that out. Come to the stream and if you're in the l A area, come to Laughter House five all in October twenty five at eight pm

in uh Highland Park. It's in a bookstore, so that's that's why you had a book reference for the title. Thanks for listening, and as always, in the month of October, stay spooky.