Episode 27: Halloween Franchise

festive reasons. My bad, you know. Yeah, but all this month we're going to be covering horror, scary, spooky, spooksters, witchcraft. Where are you giggling spooksters, spooks. There's come here and get your get your spookies on. I like whenever places do like the puns, like you know, Happy Honda Days

or something. But it's like, yeah, someone on Twitter was doing like a whole like I love the Halloween spooky stuff and the whole long thing on how much they love Halloween puns, and then I just replied Google story bro Yep, we're gonna eat, drink and be scary. Okay, I think people already over there, um, so today joining us we are Actually we're starting off with the Halloween franchise, and we brought someone who is a dope expert. She's

a comedian, a director. We are joined by Lucy Tomlin Brenner. Thanks for coming. Hello. So you were highly recommended as someone that like one, you're legit wearing Halloween three to that there's like a theme involved. I'm going to dress for it. Yeah, oh my god. So what is your first memory I guess of Halloween, like the franchise in general,

when did you start getting into it? Well, actually seeing the movies I saw the first was not until college actually, but I saw the third one when I was much younger. The third one, Season of the Witch went out of order. Yeah, well it's okay with Season of the Witch because it has nothing to do with Michael Myers. It's the one outsider film that has takes place in a totally different universe.

It's more science fiction. E um. And that one was on late at night on television and my mom actually woke me up as a kid and said that she was too scared to watch it. And when I come with her, watch it me a child, mom company um.

And there's a scene where like a kid's head is he's wearing a mask and it kind of explodes in a gnarly snakes and worms and creepy Crawley's And I was like, I'm never going to put a mask on my head again, like totally absolutely not now, but I would say it like last year, probably ten good years of like I can't all masks are cursed. Mine was. I don't know if you guys remember the Haunted Mask from Goose. Yeah, I had that vh US tape of Carly Baxter. She got the mask stuck on her head

and that scared the crap out of me. She could not get the mask. That was a scary mask too. There are two episodes that were really scared to me. To me, the Mask one, the mask was scary, but not necessarily like the theme or what it was was scary. But that puppet one, oh none of the Living Dummy Hell yeah, that was like one of the most hardcore Goose bump for I don't know if you saw, but I did a giveaway of my Twilight Zone toys and one of them what figures, and one of them was

the dummy that was again originally a Twilight Zone episode. Yeah, well, I mean dummies have been in horror because you have that, then you have the weird creepy Family Matters Halloween special. Then you have Tales from the Hood with the slave dummies. Also, I don't know if he counts, but my cousin Skeeter, uh kind of. I think he had a Halloween episode.

He kind of counts as a dummy. He's a puppet, but you know puppets, and uh yeah, Night of the Living Living Dummy is the reason why I never trusted ventriloquists. I didn't want to be alone with their dummies. No, it makes sense. Like anything that can just sit and stare at you with dull eyes, it's uh, it feels like there's something menacing behind it. Yeah, so let's, uh, let's talk a little bit about Halloween, because there's a

lot to talk about. Saloween is an American horror franchise that consists of eleven films, novels, comic books, merchandise, and a video game, and the franchise primarily focuses on the serial killer Michael Myers, who was committed to a sanitarium as a child, which is a cuckoo's nest for those who don't know, which is a insane asylum. For those

who don't know that reference. And uh he was. He was basically committed as a child for the murder of his older sister, Judith Myers, and then fifteen years later he escapes to stalk and all the people of the fictional town of hadden Field, Illinois, while being chased by his former psychiatrist, Dr. Sam Loomis. Michael's killings occur on the holiday of Halloween, on which all of the films

primarily take place. Yeah, yeah, this is this is interesting because this was like that kind of trend that was interesting and I feel like never really revisited, but just the idea of there being a time, a killing time, a killing out, like even remember the whole thing with

it was that it was to stop um. The original it was it was going to be a specific date that he comes out, and he kills people every seven years, Yes, every seven years, And I feel like that is like a very because horror at its core is preying on human fears, and I think the knowledge of when it happens, it's gonna happen. Yeah, I like that a lot because it means that it's inevitable. Yeah, like, no matter what you do, the calendar is going to keep rolling and

Michael Myers has that Ernie's Cross of the Days. Yeah. Our producer Dan just said the Purge, yeah, which is a more recent one. Um, I have a couple. So I rewatched this last night. I have a I mean, you know, I'm gonna I was that obnoxious person. I was watching it again. I'm like, but why this? But wait, that doesn't make sense. But you know what, overall it

was groundbreaking because it was an indie horror film. Yeah, three thou dollars ext and actually I think so I was looking at twenty five thousand of that went to Donald Pleasants, who was the only like actually known actor that wasn't He played Dr Loomis, and so everybody else was pretty much not well known. Jamie Lee Curtis they went with because of her mom, who was the original you would know it as this the scream Queen from

Um Psycho and Touch of Evil. Yes, yes, yes, yeah, and so but this was the first thing really that Jamie Lee Curtis had had been in, I think because says Breakout Row. Yeah, it says in the in the opening credits, it is introducing Jamie Lee Curtis, and she had a good scream thing. That's why she became a scream queen. She has this amazing blood curdling shriek that really been displayed. I feel yeah, yeah, and I feel that Era has died of being screaming. I mean MTV

even had the Scream Queen's Reality show. Did you ever watch that? Yeah, And it's all about you know, you had to you had to have that scream and then you because yeah, you had Scream the actual movie, you had Halloween, Chainsaw Massacre, and then you started getting I think horror started moving more into where it became kind of like a gore fest like your Saw movies. Yeah, well when Saw came out and was it like two thousand and two or two thousand and three, that was

totally changed the genre. Moved everything away from slasher or an unknown killer and made it more about like how can we intricately take the human body apart? Yeah, it's like not really my thing, Like I love horrors yet I think I did want to say, I just shot a pilot with Barbara Crampton and she is a scream queen for sure, and so we shot it. It It was produced by Fan Gloria and it was a Ghost Hunting Pilot. But like her fans because I was like tagged in

her pictures with her, her fans are ravenous. Like it's really funny. Like a lot of horror and indie horror people are like in love with that and they follow those actors throughout their films. Oh absolutely, I mean horror conventions are so huge, and that's where like a lot of these women and small actors who like had this thriving career and like VHS tape, basically, they really are still operating pretty well underneath the surface. We just don't

know that. It's like I've waited in lines before for people and I've come back and been like, look at this first thing I met, and it only hits for very few people are excited for me. So you know, you guys know, being nerds, you just have to like turn to your niche and be like you sure for sure. Yeah, let's talk a little bit about the man who made this film, John Carpenter. So he was pretty much fresh out of film school. Yeah when he when he decided

to make this again. Their budget was three hundred thousand, and he also did the music, the very iconic famous I love music, so much. I was just I was rewatching yesterday. I did like a little marathon because I was like, I want to get everything fresh in my head. So I like pounded all um, not all eleven, but the original non rob zombie ones in the last So you also got H two O in there. Oh I love H two O. I don't know if now the tie we're talking about it, but that one is, so

we'll talk about it. Had and then the one after they half busta rhymes Tyra Banks. Yeah, well that one was. Those are interesting because you brought up Scream earlier, and Scream was revolutionary for bringing in teams that people already knew, and it's like names that were already big instead of like these had teenage like the original Halloween had teenagers,

but there were no names. Wes Craven was like, what if we brought in like a pop culture bent by not only having the references but also having you know, faces people recognized. And so then H two oh saw the success of Scream and was like, let's bring in these hot teens Josh Hartnett and Hello cool J not teen anymore at that time, but I mean yeah, I mean hello coo J. At the time. How old was he? He seems ageless to me, but I feel like he had to have been in his late Oh wow, yep,

I have no idea how years old? I said, fifty nine years old? Oh that wow. H Uo came out and h Uo was twenty years later. That's wild. I just made that connection. How I really feel like this? Okay, you're right. If my masculine were all over the place there, Oh yeah, no, mine, mine was. I was just doing all that talking to me time, so I can just say the right one. Dennis isn't the math expert pe uh So? John Carpenter actually teamed up with Deborah Hill

and they wrote this together. So previously she hadn't been She was a script supervisor in Assault on Precinct thirteen. That's when they originally worked together. So then it was kind of a big move for her to now be a screenwriter on Halloween, isn't it? And there weren't really a lot of women involved in horror either, because especially in the seventies and like the sixties, at grindhouse and exploitation and films were really where horror was thriving. And

that was definitely like all dudes. Yeah, so she she was actually born in hayden Field. And then you'll see that that was been in New Jersey and that was the name of the town that they were in, except for in Illinois and it doesn't exist it right, and it doesn't exist. Yeah, a lot of the places don't like the stranger things. Where do they live again or is that a real place? It's not a real place. Um oh shoot, it's like on all their on the tip of my tongue. I just that small commercial for

it again. I think they do that just so that people don't flock to a plan. Sure, yeah, everybody always goes and visits the Oh shoot, what am I trying to say? That? Everyone always goes the Home Alone House in Chicago and the full House House San Francis, and then the blank Check House is actually in Austin because when I went to school at u T there you could go and see it. It does not have a slide that goes from the office to the pool out

like like they would lead you to Belie appointing. Well, this was filmed in Pasadena, so we could actually go see that since we wanted to, which I went to Downey High which uh in Downey they have the golf and stuff that's featured in Karate Kid. Uh. And you know what, forget that place because when I was seventeen, they did not accept my they did not hire me when I put in a job application. I'm surprised to

even mentioning it right people. I wanted to know so people can if they're seeing it drive away like someone's in their car. Are stuff right now? They're like, all right, if you said we got a dip. I want to talk about two really cool things. One. I like the fact that they were showing the thing, the original thing on the TV, because then he later ended up directing it, so that was super cool. It must have been a favorite of his already. Yeah, influential is why he had

it in there. So um for y'all that don't remember, they were watching the two little kids were watching, uh, the one that Jamie Lee Curtis was a babysitting Tommy who actually Cammy later. Yeah. And then who was the other girl's name, Lindsay? Lindsay because her babysitter Annie, who is the friend Laurie's friends like, screams her name many many times. True. Yeah, And so they were watching the thing the original thing and uh, and that was really

dope because then John Carpenter ended up directing the thing. Uh. And then another thing was that you actually didn't have very much blood. A lot of people think that there's a lot of blood because there is a lot of like stabbing and strangling and even like him slicing people in the neck, but they chose to not have blood, and it's so fascinating or not very much of it. It's fascinating because they were like, it's more of your imagination.

So if you remember someone getting sliced in the neck, like they didn't actually show any blood, that's just your own mind like creating that for you. And the sound is so crisp too, Like I love the sound in that movie because every knife slash it gives me chills because it has like a very like ging like, so I feel like that, coupled with the imaginative aspects of it are really hopeful. Yeah. Yeah. Irwin Yablins is an American independent film producer and distributor known for his work

in the horror film industry. His brother, Frank Jablin's, was also a producer. He produced Jaws, Halloween, Tourist, Trap, Roller Boogie, Nocturna God daughter of Dracula, Halloween to Hell, Night Blood Beach, Halloween three, Season of The Witch, the shirt in which Louse is wearing, and Tank Halloween begin as an idea suggested by the Yablans entitled The Babysitter Murder. Yeah, that was that was their thing. It's so great that they

ditched that. Can you imagine this having this much commercial success with that? M Yeah, exactly. A babysitting is hard and I've done it for most of my life and we don't need that kind of heat. It is kind of scary, and it is still like, you know, I think they use that and scream, you know, the babysitting you know that theme and um in when a stranger calls, right, Like it's scary being in somebody else's house, right, I um. I've nannied out a place before that. Um was up

in the hills and it was all glass. So at night it's dark, you can see out, but you don't know who can see and at you because you can't see anything. So I feel like it creates, especially with teenagers. I feel like a lot of people babysit on their teens. So that idea of like you're in somebody else's house. You don't know the ins and outs, and like these aren't your kids, but you're supposed to protect them. There's

a lot of different levels of anxiety going. But also just how they like completely capitalize on this holiday, like they took the name they took Halloween. I mean that's usually like oddly enough, I feel a aren't bet if you think of it on a commercial level, because if you label a movie to a holiday, then you get those sweet residuals all the time, like Sinbad's rolling in the dough from Jingle all the way, because every Christmas it's a staple, you know, Sam with Mariah carry that Christmas,

Alva Christmas. That's that is who she is. No, it's true. I remember, well, you're asking me what I remember from when I was a kid. And even though I didn't watch these when I was a kid, I grew up in the late eighties and early nineties, and this was

on network TV. Every I remember coming home from trick or treat and it would be on the TV and I would be too scared and I'd have to go into another room, Which is funny now looking back on it, because you said it's not that bloody, it's not actually that scary, but just like the menacing nous of Michael Myers and the idea that he was going to come on Halloween and I'm like, Halloween's a nice time. Yeah, I didn't like that as a child. Also, the way that he was shot, I mean, I feel like that

was also kind of groundbreaking. And Carpenter's idea of the Shape you know, which is his other name that he's known as, kind of just like this thing that's lurking. UM is also another another part of it, and I think a big part of UM, like congratulations goes to Nick Castle, who played the Shape in the first movie and then never did again until he is going to be in David Gordon Green, I know, going to be the most the one that's coming out, Yeah, in a

few weeks, well less then depending on when this airs. Um, but yeah, I'm really excited about his return because, UM, I love I watched all of the movies. I like all the iterations. I think they all have something interesting going for them, but none of them Michaels are quite as like big and menacing. They don't move the same way Nikesla. This lumbering aspect to him. That made it

also feel supernatural. That and the whole fact that he could keep coming back, and like other iterations of Michael are a little more awkward, and he doesn't seem as big a lot of it is I think. I know. I was watching him like he's he's a little thick, Like I'm kind of into it. He's kind of hot. He's kind of hot. It's crazy he's supposed to be twenty one. Oh that's another thing together last the first time you want to like just kind of smack him in the face and be like get over yourself. Yeah,

hown you go to a party. Uh, smoke some weed, baby. Yeah, let's talk about Michael Meyers. So he is twenty one, seems perpetually forty for sure. I mean. And here's the thing though, so that opening, that opening scene with him as a kid, it's fascinating because as him, as you know, he kills his sister and then they pull his mask off and he looks like this adorable little elf. Like

I said, he's cute. That is kind of fascinating to me because later Dr Loomis was like, yeah, and I met him when fifteen years ago, and he was six years old. He had black eyes and I'm likely we saw him he did it. He had like blue eyes. He was adorable. He was really cute. He looked like a you know, cabbage patch kid. Um, so I found that fascinating. But they did make him really cute. And then when they pulled his mask off, I was like,

he kind of hot. He's kind of hot. I like to imagine that they wanted the kid to make like a mean face, but he was just cute and they're like, I just leave it in now. I feel like he had to have been like a friend's kid. I love that his his parents are just like, Michael, what did you do? And then they just stood there for like a minute, just look. I'm like, why don't you run inside? Yeah, but this was another one. I love. What's the movie? I think it is Scream where they dissect the fact

that the virgins live and the quote unquote slutty kids don't. Yeah, this was this was trope. Yeah, definitely, but um John Carpenter has actually said in interviews before that he wasn't trying to do that on purpose, which I actually like on respect a lot, because um like a morality play on virginity from a man is like not what I mean to So I really like that. He was like, this is just I was trying to portray teens as they are and like that's that wasn't a part of it. Yeah,

and I really watching it again. Um, I was just thinking about how much her friends reminded me of my friends in high school. You're just like kind of mean to each other, but you're like really good friends and you're just like messing with each other. And like Laurie is always played up as like the good girl, but she and her friend Annie are smoking pot in the car, so it's not like she's not the perfect girl. She's studious and like she like hasn't had sex, but like,

come on, they're all just having fun. Yeah. As a matter of fact, Yeah, we have a quote from Carpenter saying that Halloween is a true cress exploitation and I decided to make a film I would love to have seen as a kid, full of cheap tricks, like a haunted house at a fair where you walked down the corridor and things you're back at you. The film has often been cited as an allegory on the virtue of

sexual purity and the danger of casual sex. Though a Man's Carpenter has explained that this was not the intent. He has said and I quote. It has been suggested that I was making some kind of moral standpoint. Believe me, I'm not. In Halloween, I viewed the characters as simply normal last teenagers. I've added the ass was interview. I think that's how I imagine I'm saying it. Like, yeah,

I'm really glad that he clarified that. Yeah, because it is interesting because but because that is the interesting thing about art and the difficult thing about creating it is you tell the story you want to tell, and you

put what you want behind it. But people can will and you know, find their own meaning behind it, make their own Like it's so funny, Like I think about the ending of Interstellar and like how he like no one was getting annoyed because everyone would ask what it meant if he's in the dream or not based on the top of it, and he was like, that's for you to decide, and it was like kind of but no, like wait, you mean the one with Leo, Yeah, not

Interstellar Subsception, Yeah, sorry, does say Interstellar. I've been thinking about Interstellar I like, you should try ketamine because no, it feels like it. I did it with a doctor, so I don't know what doctor present, so so you know, look, yeah, illegally did it? All right, that's a different Can you add ketamine on our list of on the docket of nerd things I want to talk about. It is a science project. It's not just a drug. It's like used

for people that have PTSD and other things. Anyways, Um, I've also read that, Yeah, I didn't take it illegally to shoot up it. I didn't think you didn't. If one percent, it felt like that fourth dimension. Oh my gosh, I had the word for it. And then I stopped, Yeah, we'll talk about it. What is it? Yes? Yeah? Um that yeah, that the whole portrayal of space and the fact that it made so many scientists mad because because he chose a specific scientist theory and the scientists that

don't believe that theory, we're fighting it. I was like, I, but it's also just his portrayal. It's art. But that's what I was just. But what it was was because it was being lauded as one of the most scientifically accurate, because he was going based on this science. So all the other scientists were like, hold, because scientists are catty little brats who like but in your inn industry where you're you are saying, I'm actually and that is their

whole thing. They always have to be like, well, you know, but that's that's the one instinct stince that I do like that because one, it means that we're advancing knowledge when they're fighting over stuff, but too it's funny that

it's literally their job to be mad about at each other. Yeah, I wanted to say another thing that kind of uh I liked their commentary on reality was a ghost story, which was just like showing how we kind of treat like how we don't fully understand the afterlife and like that they have a different timeline than we do, which it'sound fascinating. We are actually going to get into the rest of the Halloween franchise right after this break. They're in there like, oh are we because y'all talking about

sci fi. But we'll get to that after these misses and we are back you guys, we're still doing actually you Googles, guys and Googles, and please please, I don't know if I want you to keep this or not. We are back continuing on with our first episode in sp October. We are talking about the Halloween franchise. Loo say, I wanted to know, is there anything that we missed

that you feel like we need to cover? Um. I wanted to go back to when if he was reading that quote from John Carpenter where he talked about trying to create a fun house vibe, because I feel like that absolutely comes through in the climax of the film when Laurie Strode played by Jamie Lee curtis Is walks into the upstairs bedroom and sees her friend Annie dead and like laid out on with like Judith's grave stone, which I love that Mike Myers was just like trolling

around Haddenfield with a giant graystone under his arm, right like a whole as stone granite. Yeah so um. And also it's just like I've been knocked up on thor zine for fifteen years, but I can drive a car perfectly well they talked about. I'm so glad that they talked about that because I was like, okay that that

continuity would have bothered me. It drives me crazy, like how could he drive he checks every movie, and it's like he's been in the mental institutions he was five, so he like not only can do that, but it has like these elaborate, like beautifully like set up on the house, like next to his kills where he's like, all right, Annie's gonna go here, and then I'm gonna put the boyfriend's gonna swing down from the ceiling and then I'm going to have this door creak open. And

I think it is. And then that's the one thing they keep throughout every single movie, despite the timeline is changing and the theories changing, they always have these kills displayed in this like over the top kind of comedic way. And I love that. One aspect to Michael Myers is just that he's like very creative with how people die. Yeah, Like he purposely that does that in every film, and it's it's strange to me. That's the thing that sticks out right. I will say the scene in the Car

got me. I was like, even though I've seen it, you know, and I love that. I love where she goes to the car, um she checks its locks, she goes back and it's unlocked because they build it up so many times. Do you think he's going to get her in the laundry rail, right, And there's like several times you think someone's going to be gotten and they

do a good job of subverting rights. I've i read some pretty good video essays on horrors and how they do that just with the soundtrack alone, and how they play with our emotions by playing certain tracks that lead us to believe that we're anticipating something that happen, only for it to stop and lead to nothing, and then

that jumps a sting that gets us every time. And it's so interesting because it's like, yeah, we are trained to be triggered by certain sounds and music we as movie goers, and the way that you know that's artfully played with, especially in horror, is actually really interesting and cool. Yeah, And it's also like when you are in a haunted house, or when you're maybe walking home late at night, or you're just in a spooky situation and you're like, is

something going to happen? Isn't something going to happen? And having that whole feeling while you're watching it feels like you're there because everyone's walked through the huse and then like is that annoys or is it an annoying when I love PJ Souls. That's another thing I have to say about real quick p J Souls is Linda I think is such a delight. She's in another one of my favorite movies, Rock and Roll, High School with the Ramans,

and I love like she just had a look. She was like always wearing pigtails, and she's like, it doesn't matter what movie I'm in, I'm wearing pigtails. I think that's a real fun demand to me. She said in an interview that she was the only one that when she did her line, it was mainly that she she was saying totally, And she said John Carpenter was like,

you were the only one that said it. How I hear it like in my head and then and then and she actually said it like I think five or six times, like in the film, if you look back at it when she answers the phone or she'd be like totally. Uh yeah, So that was really funny. Yeah, she's a really funny character. And I like when Michael Myers like he tries to be her, like pretends to

be her boyfriend. I love that so much. And she's just like you see something you like and she's like flirting and goofing off, and like it's one of those things where it happens a lot in these movies where like the character thinks that Michael Myers is her boyfriend. It keeps happening several times. In the second one, a character thinks that he's her boyfriend and she licks his hand for a while, and it's just like I it never stops being a little funny. And also like, oh god, dummy,

come on. Moving differently, there's a different smell, like you just hook dub you already forgot? Do you know this guy or not? Like yeah, So, so Halloween came out in nineteen seventy eight, came out October ninety eight. That's solid Halloween weekend. Moving on to Halloween too, Yeah, alright, Halloween too. Oh man, I this is I feel like it was still creepy, but it definitely we're in the zone where it starts. Oh, I forgot to say we in Halloween one. So the film ends with Michael Myers

being shot six times and then he disappear. Yeah, he hits the ground and you're like, cool, he's dead. And then when when I saw he was going, I was like cool, he's a superhero. Yeah yeah, true, true, true, But that was like John Carpenter's things. He wanted him to be like a supernatural. Yeah. I mean he clearly is doesn't have human DNA. And then after that, every single one is like, no, he is a real guy, and here's a bunch of reasons. Here's his family. Okay,

he goes to an office every day, he's a real man. Yeah. So so then, yeah, I guess in this one we find out that Lori is actually Michael's sister and she was given up for a don't understand. I don't know if I like this part. Well, this is what happens when oftentimes when horror movies get a sequel, like I find that like they have a solid cohesive story in the fourth the first one, And I think what makes a lot of horror movies great is that there isn't much to the story. You leave a lot to the

imagination that the thing is mysterious. Like that's what was so funny to take another step out of horror. But to something similar was when Godzilla came out and everyone was like, I didn't like it, the new Godzilla, not the one that had p Did he do the Stairway to Heaven remix, even though that slaps I don't know what anybody says. I'll never forget. Like I was standing up bobbing in front of TV when he was doing his Mad TV performance. Yeah ATLA but the new one

Brian Cranston. A lot of people were like, well, we didn't know where he came from, and I was like, yeah, that's Kaiju movies. Like, that's just all Kaiju movies. You don't know where it. It's just a giant monster that came out of nowhere. Yeah, exactly why do you need to know the So Godzilla comes from the race of godzillions and you know he got here. Uh No, he's just we don't know where he came from. Because that is in a weird way. Really, you don't know always

know where your problems come from. You don't always know where when how disaster is gonna strike, you just need to deal with it. And when you're dealing with it, you don't care where it came from. You just wanted to stop and then after that maybe figure out some of the back story. I think that's why people like things wrapped up though in film, because they're like the rest of my life is insane to comfort. Let me get this, that's very true. That's actually a really good point.

But so when you do have that kind of story where it's this mysteriousness around it, then in the second one to kind of even I feel like, sometimes justify a sequel, you do have to round out the story around the character. What is his motive of still still going? And uh, and I guess the motive is somehow, even though it's never talked about in the first movie, he is his sister. I feel like that's the first thing

the psychiatrists should have brought up. But wait, but they might undo the movie taking place after the first movie, so it's why they race. They've erased all of it. They've they've Dragonball, dragon Ball, superd It. They erased all the films, so, which is kind of cool. And John Carpenter's psyched about it because he didn't want to make

a sequel like he was. He wrote Halloween too, but he didn't want to although it ended up getting a two million dollar budgets, so a huge, huge jut from the three hundred thousands, so I think it was like the money was there, he was going to write it. He and Debor Hill still produced it. Yeah, but um, he wasn't into it. He felt like the story had been told already. I mean, if we want to talk

about something current, just take another tangent. What do you think about this child's play reboot that the creator is mad about? Oh, the creator is mad about because here's the thing. So the creator is mad because I guess he's not involved, which happens in movies when you don't really own your I P because uh. But the main thing is that like a lot of people are like they're rebooting it when the series is still alive and ongoing. But I think the last movie came out two thousand

and fourteen. I was like, you don't get to use that excuse when it's been four years, right. Also, the Chucky movies are just like every other thing for all the other slasher movies from the eighties, Like, yeah, you could say Nightmare in the Street is ongoing, but it's done. But I guess, you know, you know, I wanna get my mouth right. I want to make sure I'm not talking out my my behind because if it is in

production the then it is ongoing, you know. So yeah, so are these thing that they're going to completely like brand new remake or so. So this is the last note on it based on Wikipedia. Uh so. In October two thousand seven, Don Mancini, who was the one thrown shade on Twitter about the new one, expressed an interest in having Glenn Glenda from Seed of Chucky return in a future film. Most references to the character had been

cut from Cult of Chucky. In February of two thousand and eighteen, it was announced that a child's play television series is in the works with involvement from Mancini and producer David Krishner, and is set to be a continuation of the film story arc. Mancini also stated that as well as the series, feature films will still continue. So it seems like it's been a lot of promises, um and uh, it's in the works, but in Hollywood lots of times. In the works means we're out pitching it

and seeing if anyone's gonna pick it. Uh. You know, you know, as a career, I'm not going to be like the corporation that bought your thing totally owns the right to do whatever it wants. Because no, everyone would hate that. I would hate that. But It's like I find that in this industry, a lot of people will work in the industry and then they know how shady it can be, and then when it doesn't go your way, like you're just acting like what, how is this happens?

Like you know what happened? You know that you probably sold that I p You know that they were going to do that. You They probably called you when you start started talking about that you had a TV show in the works, being like we're gonna do a thing, We're and there you were probably like I But also they probably didn't call them and just did it, but they do own it. Uh, I don't know. I think Also I think I'm only caping for it because of

who got announced in the reboot. Yeah, because if it was anyone else, I'd be on dance eye, but it was. But yeah, then everyone hates the new Chucky Doll because it's kind of like cute. I actually like that it's cute because that's kind of like like the one thing that makes someone said it used face tune and that made me laugh a lot. But me, it's like that's

the first one was creepy before it even was possessed. Yeah, and then like now it just is a joke, like Chucky's a like how he looks now is a joke to me, and all the recent ones, apparently the newer ones, Okay, there it is so it Aubrey Plaza, Bryan Tyree Henry. So that's kind of why I uh, I was like, I was like, I'm in I'm willing to give this bad boy a chance. Those are two actors I'd love to see in the mix. But it does suck the way it happens. And of course we all know how

horror fans can be. I don't think it might uh live as well because horror fans they're strong, they're mighty, and they're loyal franchise too. I get a little like, I feel like it lives. I mean, I'm only saying I guess because maybe Child's Play is not my favorite as far as like, because I'm so psyched on this new Halloween movie. So I don't want to like, um, you know, say the opposite thing, but I wouldn't be great.

There's a new franchise, a new thing happening. Like I was here for the Conjuring, but the last the nun

was Wolf. Yeah, everyone said Wolf. I think It still made a good amount of money too, though, right, Oh yeah, because it's like we're so hard up for franchises, Like in the eighties you had Halloween and Nightmare on Elm Street and Child's Play in Front and um and the nineties all that kept you know, when we were born, we were born into these franchises, and now it's like very nebulous, Like if you weren't going to watch people's skin get picked off in the Saw movies and like,

what did you have? Yeah, so Halloween to y'all, moving on, it's probably gonna happen all the time. On spook Tober, We're just going to talk horror movies and came out October n one, Like you were saying, it was Michael's other sister, Lori, who was Jamie Lee Curtis and the original reprised her role. She also needs to die now. Um, so is that his main? I just like, because you've seen all of them, is that his What is his motive? Um?

I think they're well that's an interesting thing to say. So, um, for the first several of them, until you get a Curse of Michael Myers, the motive is just to like kill every living person. Does he have a something for young people because in the original he's just killing you. Well, he did kill a guy that was old, remember the um worker. Yeah at the beginning, Yeah yeah, yeah, he was going in like the cornfield ish area. Yeah, he

had to kill that guy to get his jump. Once he had that look down, then he was like he had to keep I think that's very funny about Michael Myers. He continuously finds this mask and the jumpsuit. He breaks out of an in mental institution every time, like where

is he getting He's really just say real quick. His mask, which the original actor like they had molded his face and then they bleached it a sense or no, yeah, they bleached it and then they had white in it, and they were like it looked so scary that we knew, like this had to be the mask that they used. Yeah it was William shatner Halloween mask. Wait was it? That's how it started. Yeah, it got like a cheap Halloween mask from a drug store because I'm like, no budgets,

and then and molded it, yeah, to his face. That was only um in the first two and then after that they start looking real weird. Like the fourth movie, the mask is so bad. I hate the way the mask looks. And so what are the final Like, is there anything else we need to mention for Halloween too? Oh yeah, I want to mention how they shot a kid in this movie. The cops blast a kid in

the movie. Uh, he blows up, he's set on fire. Yeah, I remember as a as a kid that scene was like that scene was probably what got me in a comedy because it was such I laughed so hard at it and it's just such a dark moment when you really like unpack it. But it was so funny that they were so sure that this was Michael Martin, that this dude in a man ask has to do it and uh. And then they just moved on with their life after, like there was no it was just done.

They're like, oh, we accidentally lit this kid. It's never discussed again. Yes, see you all later. And and Dr Loomis continues to be like the crazy man. Why won't he stop shouting? And he's like, it's not the guy. Also, it's like the Boston Public of of movies, because you remember Boston Public when it was like these are teachers, not cops, this is a psychiatrist. Why are you chasing down this man? This is way out of your pay grade. What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do

to Michael Myers? He tries to do a lot of things. Yeah, he tries and who does though? All the cops get killed over and over. Yes, somehow the psychiatrist though, he got that thing. So at the end Michael is engulfed in flames. He stumbles out of the room and before finally falling dead. But he's not dead right, well, you

think he's dead. And then when they go to do UM season of the Witch, which is the third one, the idea is that from then on it's going to be in an UM anthology series like American Horror Story. So it was like, fine, the first tour about Michael Myers, they're gonna be Halloween movies that come out every year. They'll be about different spooky things, so like the next year is about these haunted masks, and then the year

after it was gonna be something else. But then everyone lost their collective minds over the fact that Michael Myers wasn't wasn't he wasn't in it, and they were just like, oh no, it's like such a bomb that then they had to come up with like, well, he was burned badly, but he lived, so that's how they come back with how it happened. But he seems dead, like it's it's played like he's dead. It's not like the first one

where he disappears. Yeah, So we have Halloween three season of the which it came out October twenty two, and just what are like three main bullet points people need to know for this film? Silver Shamrock, the Creepy Corporation has this devious plan to basically blow up kids heads. And they i these masks and they watched like the specific Shamrock programming the night of Halloween. So the idea is that there's three different mass There's a skeleton, the pumpkin,

the witch, and like everyone buys them. It's basically a commentary on consumers on the rampant marketing of Halloween. So the ideas like kids will have these masks, I'll watch the tie in television show and then their brains will melt into spiders and sneaks and creepy crawleys. So was this corporation owned by witches? Uh No? Just like a bad dude, alright, dr and on that note, we have

Halloween four, Return of your Boy Michael Mins. That's that's the version you get if you get my bootleg version, but normally it's called Halloween four Returned of Michael Myers and that dropped October. I was a few months old. I was, I was, I was like, yea, let me sing as I assume. Um. But yeah, So apparently Laurie died but she has a daughter, and while being transferred back to Smith's Grove, Michael awakens a pon hearing that Laurie Strode, who died in a car accident has a daughter.

Now that's very funny scene because he's like all wrapped in bandages. I can't see anything. He's strapped to a gurney.

He hasn't moved in the first five minutes. And then the two E. M. T s are like in the back being like, oh, yeah, Laurie died in a car accident, but her daughter is still in hand and yeah, and then his hands are like crack and his knuckles open up and then he's just like slams his hand into like the one guy's face and you think his fingers would go into his eyes, but instead his finger goes into his forehead, just into it like he had a bait,

like he had the soft spot like a baby. Ye. Also, I love that these e m s are just talking about other accidents, like like this is just a regular person, Laurie struggle. They're like, yeah, he died in a car accident for some reason, I'm bringing it up right here next to this body. Yeah. They love talking about all the lore. It's one of the things I actually like about the series is that everybody in it treats it like it's an have been legend and they're like, have

you heard of Michael Myers? And they all know these different you know, pieces of information that's being shared. It just the right time. Yeah. Um. But yeah, her daughter so, which is crazy because it's like she had her daughter when she was right after the Halloween movies, because her daughter is like eight, I think or something and Jimmie Lloyd played by Danielle Harris. So yeah, it comes out

like ten years after the first one. So the idea is that she basically like highly traumatized, had this child died in a car accident. Now this child is with like another family. Yeah, Laurie's had a really rough Um. The girl who plays Jamie is great. I love that her name is Jamie. I wonder if that's a connection to Jamie Leek. I think it is right for sure. Um, Dannie Harris is great. She goes on to be in

the original Rosanne Um. Before we knew what a nut case she was, she was in a couple of others. So she was in Halloween four and then she was also in Yeah, in two thousand sevens Halloween remake UM and its sequel, but as Annie Brackett. Interesting, Yeah, she didn't reprise. I think that was just a nod to this because so four or five and six are turned into a different timeline, and then by the time that h TWOO comes around, it ignores four through six and

acts like it's picking up after two. So the series has a lot of memory issues where it's like, not this one, but this one, not this one with this one, and the one continues that it's just being like, screw all, y'all, we're going back from the beginning. Does that mean the new one is also ret counting H two oh? Or is it happening after two before h two oh? Everything everything except the first Halloween. But I actually, yeah, we'll

get to h two O. I love that one. I think that's like one of the best ones in the whole series. But um, the new storyline for the fourth one is that Lori's dead. There's this new um daughter and she has this special like metaphysical connection to Michael Myers and they do this thing. It's kind of like the Shining or like Harry Potter and Voltimore, where like she can tell when he's going to kill Yeah, that sounds like gray and um, sorry, I had to Kylo. Okay I got to see each other and he was

in a towel for some reason. They just did that for the fans. That's when you get they basically just introduced that storyline in the fourth one, and then it ends for a lot of talk about ending we've been talking about okay, um, and then it ends with like she's really goes through the wringer and then she ends up. Um, she's like touching Michael at the end when they think

he's dead again. And so the idea is that like some of his rage got into her, and so she goes back to her home and then kills her foster mother the same way. She's like wearing the clown costume, she got some scissors, she kills her foster mother, and then um Dr Loomis is like, you know, like she is him not again? Yeah, she tries to kill her, and that's when the cops are like, you're done now, Like we like when when they shot a kid, but this kid, we're not going to let you get another kid.

Uh So, yeah, we got about seven more. This is number four. So that's how that one ends, is that she's killed and now it's like is she Michael Myers? But then the fifth one starts and it's not that bad. Well let's talk about that fifth one. After these messages, we are back. We need some October um music. Yeah, the Twilight No, so we are talking about Halloween five, the Revenge of Michael Myers. Are they not all the revenge? He had to return? Okay? Okay, so the dropped October nine.

That's that's back to back. The last one came out, so now you got n nine. So they came out back to back because okay, everyone hated the third one, right, so then the fourth one comes up and it was a huge success. Everyone was like yeah, we sorry, We're sorry, We're trying to People were like pumped on Daniel Harris. They're like, yes, we love this, like, let's get more of this. So then everybody was ready, so they knew they had to make the next one come out really quickly.

So she returns for the fifth one, and um, she has this physical connection. Weirdly, no one is that upset with her that she murdered her foster mother, like your foster sister is very chill and friendly and not traumatized, even though she also went through this terrible thing. Um. But now little Jamie is mute because she's so scared that she lost her voice, and very sweaty, the most

sweaty for the entire movie. Um. And she knows when Michael's killing and so Dr Loomis is with her a lot, and together they become like this like um, team of like this is about to happen. We'll call you when this happens. No one believes Jamie. They're like, she's a little girl who's been through a lot and it's only

Dr Lomis Is time. He's like, no, she knows. She has Michael has poor old man, Oh yeah, and he says his face is all scarred because he's been through a fire like he's really gone through the ringer at this point. Um no, I love it. In every film to no one believes him. He always has to start the beginning of the film being like Michael is coming bad. Yeah. So, so the film ends with Michael being taken into police custody only to be broken out of jail by a

mysterious stranger all dressed in black. Yeah, this is this was a real bad choice. They actually um thought that the movie needed like a little more jazz, so they did a bunch of shoots at the very end, like pick up scenes of like a guy dressed all in black, and then went back and edited into the movie in random parts. And then we're like, I don't know what this means. We'll figure it out in the next movie, which is kind of how all of them play at

this point, is like we'll just write it later. And so All the Man and Black Stuff is um a bummer and kind of tarnishes the of the fifth and the fourth one because then it takes us to the Curse of Michael Myers, which I think is one of the worst of all of them, except for that it has Paul read the same thing. I know. Okay, So Halloween. Moving on Halloween, the Curse of Michael Myers drop September twenty nine. The Jailbreaker finds Jamie and her new son.

Michael kills Jamie, but it's not the same actress, and so you don't really realize it's no, it's because she's older and like but they don't make any effort to make her look the same. The beginning of the Curse of Michael Myers is outrageously confusing. I've probably seen it fifteen times, and every time I'm like, but wait, why

It's needlessly confused. So it's revealed that Michael is driven by the Curse of Thorn, which forces a person to kill their entire family in order to save all of civilization. So that's what I was talking about earlier when you're like, why the family? So this is that, Like several episodes in their like yell what but actually, Dan Kane just edit in the John what Danny says that, and then you can leave this part in just in case people are confused. There's a lot of runes in this movie.

I love it so so Paul read. So Michael kills Jamie and continues searching for her baby. Everyone's just procreating. Uh, nobody is traumatized enough to not give her I mean just kind of crazy to me. Like anyways, the pain away. Yeah, the infant is found by Tommy Doyle and I love that name. Yeah, it's such a perfect, like little dork name. And isn't it seems like Paul Red you are upon Tommy Doyle in another life. Well, and Tommy Doyle then is the little boy in the first Halloween. Yes, and

he's watching the thing babysitting. God, this is so convoluted. They don't look the same. They did not cast based on similarity. Off you know what this does kind of people are going to get mad. I was saying, this doesn't remind me of Star Wars because it's so in to is that it's like all the same like, but then so and so his dad and his like it's like the improv game. You say a sentence and then the next person says a sentence, and then the next

person says a sentence. That's basically how I think the Curse of Michael Myers. They're keeping it so within the family, so like and then his neighbor. It's like these people could have moved on with their lives and moved into different places, but instead they're all just staying same bubble. It's and everyone's so scared of the Myers House, but

everyone continues to live in and around it. Yeah. Well in the original one, nobody lived in it, which I thought was weird, like, okay, somebody was one person was murdered, like you know, property value is still good? Yeah, I mean for real though, Yeah, it was the eighties of boom time. Um yeah, it's honestly, I think it's what

the Halloween movies have going for them. A lot of people complain that Michael Myers isn't an interesting bad guy, but that aside, I actually think the other characters is what makes it interesting. And like the weaving in and out and continue newing characters like me or in elm Street doesn't really continue characters like that probably their teeth, like certainly doesn't. So I like that. It's kind of incestuous in that way. It keeps the whole story of

Haddenfield going. It really does. And so Michael Miller, Michael Myers isn't like, you know, cracking silly jokes like Freddy Krueger is. But like I don't watch the Halloween movies for Mike Myers as much as like the fun theories and like the wiggling in and out of story that is the hadden Field universe. Also, I feel like, you

know you have had build universe. I love it, and you're talking about like it's like it's a d C e U. But you have someone like Michael Myers who like I like that he was called the Shape because that's kind of how I feel about him. He's just this, this event, this being so yeah, he is like unimportant and I feel like his design is that way. His face is blank, he's wearing a jumpsuit. There is nothing to be like, Oh he's he's the scary guy. Where

are like? Yeah, characters like Freddy Krueger are all personality, That's why they have so many one liners. But Michael Myers is like someone you can actually see coming to you, and they have to add so much personality around Freddy Krueger because they want everyone to forget that he was a pedophile exactly. That's a very good point because then he later becomes a hero, which is like, wait, why

are you cheering for him? I think this when series move away from you identifying with the victims, and then you're identifying with the killer. Like that's a problem in horror, Like horror is supposed to not supposed to. But I think where is its best when I explores the ills of society and like our deepest fears. When you start identifying with like a psychopath, Like what what are you?

What's the point of this film anymore? You know, just to get you excited about psychos um So, the end of this is Michael is finally subdued by Tommy, who injects him with large quantities of tranquilizers inside the Smith's Grove sanitary. I mean, now that I love that they're just throwing things in here, tranquilizers, the matter. But I think it's nice for Tommy that he gets to kill well, you know, he's never dead, but he's never That's good

for Tommy. He worked really hard to kill Michael, and I think it's nice, good for you, Paul red um So Halloween h two. Oh, then twenty years later, they get Jamie Lee Curtis back and they just that a big deal, right, Yeah, it was a huge deal. It was really big, and they just erased everything. So this is like the way they're going to do it again. Yeah, they kept doing it exactly, so they're like, Okay, nothing happened. They talk about it. They're like, no one's heard from

Michael since that night in the hospital. And they say it a couple different times throughout the movie, which night in the hospital like Halloween to So this one does act as if it goes so everything that Jamie Curtis has done, she's been around for that, and now she changed her identy. They do say that she was in a car accident. Does she have a bab does she

have a kid? They never talked about that, but in this one, Josh Hartnett forty Days and forty Nights, he is her kid, and he is a nager at this prep school that now she's the president of and she's changed her name so that Michael can't find her. And they are even northern California. But like, Michelle Williams is in it, Yeah, Michelle Williams is in it. Um Joseph Gordon Levitt is in it in the beginning and then he has a Drew Barrymore esque murder. But I think

this was his first movie. I think this was either right before. I think this was either right before right after Ten Things I Hate about You. So I don't know if he was a big enough name to get people into the theater. Where was this on the Third Rock from the Sun? I know right well this dropped August seven, so it's like a third Rock from the Sun and then this and then ten Things I think. Um, So like Josh Hartnett's like, I want to get out

and I want to explore things. Don't keep me here at school, and Mom's like, don't you understand I've been through so much? And he doesn't like that. So he's like, me and my friends are going to do a fun thing and lie to you about it. Um. And then that, of course that goes terribly. Michael just winds up in California because it's Halloween and he's like, I don't know. He figures out that she's there and me and then just like kills a ton of teenagers, and um, Jamie

Lee Curtis is really awful boyfriend. He pretends that he's nice. He's like a woke therapist. He's like, just tell me who you are, tell me about your background. I'm here for you. And then she does and then he's like, Okay, calm down, everything's fine. It's very patronizing. And then as soon as Michael Myers comes back, even though she's been telling him it's going to happen, and he's like, it's fine,

don't be dramatic. Michael Myers comes back, the therapist freaks out and immediately shoots ll L cool J, just like you know who the real threat is? This one black guy? Oh my lord, but does no, no, no, not him, does the therapiste. The best part about this scene is that LLL cool J. So he shoots him immediately, and

then Michael Myers comes around the corner. He's like, O, NOI shot the wrong person obviously, and then Michael Myers gouts him and so I think he really doing a big service in that one, because that guy sucked um. And then Jamie he kills everybody except for Josh Hartnett that phase. He actually I don't know. I don't know how old he was back then, so I don't know if that's the thing, but I'm just thinking of the Josh. Yeah, okay, great. I was like, I didn't really see this movie, but

I just remember Josh Hartnett from my teen years. So this was great because it's got like a lot of teen faces. It's very referential, it's funny, it's like with it, and it's extremely nineties. It's so nineties that it's very ninety. Creed even plays as the credit song, oh my God, can you tek me ha? It's a weird choice, right or that one the one that they play, you know, but don't they all sound like that? Moving on to Resurrection, Wait,

can I say one more thing? This is important? So h two of the very end of it is so good because like Lori is like, it's just me and you and she's going to take Michael murder him. So like at the very end, it's like just her and Michael Mano Amano and she has like a miss Shetty or something and just like decapitates him and his head

goes flying. And so it's such a great enname because Lorie is the final girl and she's like her whole life has been traumatized, everyone around just been murdered, and she gets to kill the big bad Like that's a good thing. It's very exciting, and it should have ended there, like that should have been the end of the series. And so it was a huge mistake. Four years later then when they came out with Because it's not only

did like she not get that killed? But this movie does not hold a candle to h two oh or that I was gonna say. So it turns out that wasn't Michael that she killed. God, she Michael switched um costumes with an e m T and put this mask on the e MP. So then Gloria ends up decapitating an e m She doesn't deserve that. Also, doesn't that mean that the e M T was trying to kill Laurie for some reason? Yeah? Really if you're real shaky um. So she can't deal with the fact that she killed

an innocent man. She's in the mental hospital, but she's kind of just like biding her time there and she's not taking the medication. She's like fake taking it and everyone thinks she's mute too, and then she's like, no, I'm planning my revenge. Oh, Sarah Connor, Yes, exactly. It's

very similar to that. Although, so this movie sucks for a lot of reasons, and it has some fun aspects as well, but the biggest problem with it is then Laurie does get to face off against Michael Myers again, but then he like tricks her and uses her like moment of weakness because she's worried about killing the wrong guy again, so she tries to unmask him when he's kind of like, you know, hanging upside down. She's got

him snared in a trap. She's almost going to kill him, but then she's scared that she's going to kill the wrong guy, so she goes to reach for the mask and then he pulls her over and throws her down a building, so he kills her, which is like such bullshit. Why after all this time does he get to kill her. It's heartbreaking. I think it's legitimately sad in a terrible movie. I do remember she does die this and I was like,

what after all of that, that's her death? And then that's not that's like the first ten or fifteen minutes of the movie. That's not even the focus of the films, like the opening, and then it turns into a reality television show, Oh my God, which is really fun because it's two thousand and two, so they're like, hey, it's the Internet, and they're showing that time of the Internet where things changed so quickly that it was like very cool at the time. And then immediately dated. Yeah, and

Busta and Tara are there. Yeah. I think that's the best part, is bus a bus being there. People hated, they consider it to be the worst movie, but in rewatching it, I will say, Um, even though the Lori Strode stuff is total garbage, I think it's fun to be taken back to a very specific time in tech history.

Like it's kind of a delight. It's very silly, especially like when you see things like how much things change in the sense that like, oh, we had no idea this was going to happen, you know, yeah, yeah, exactly, all right, And then after that we get to uh the other movies, which is Queen two thousand seven remade by Rob Zombie, um who you know, everyone was expecting it to be great because everyone likes the Devil rejects,

you know me, and I really like his style. I feel like he's like nihilistic and mean spirited, and that's just not what I'm into horror for um, totally fine if other people like it, but it just doesn't get me happy or excited. And so um they were fine. I mean I liked them because they really get into Michael's backstory and essentially just said he's from this like sad,

abusive household. So that's the whole like, this is why he kills um, and like, so I think the backstory is interesting if you're going to go in that direction. A lot of people hated that there was backstory, so and then it's just like really intense kills. It was on at a restaurant one time. I was eating dinner and somebody had on AMC like thirty days before or it was around Halloween, and before that was something like Beetlejuice, but then it was like going to be the ten

o'clock hour. It's like a small, like family restaurant, and then this Halloween came on and I knew how gory it was. And there there's like a family sitting at the next table over and I'm like, oh no, and there's just like throat slitting, gashing, like blood everywhere, and I've watched this whole family's eyes go so wide, like calling the wages over, I'm like, can you turn off

the TV? It's extremely violent and traumatizing these children. That's so funny because yeah, this is right around this is two thousand and seven, which is right around when Saw came out, like we said, tour and instead of making because you know, like we were saying in Halloween one, it was a lot left to the imagination because we could do that. Uh. And now we're at the point where it's like, you gotta show it because it's good. Yeah, people want more. There's a blood lust, yeah yeah, yeah.

And remember in the original one they didn't really have blood yeah and so um okay, so that was which one was. So now we got Halloween to the second remake where Michael Lorie have shared visions of their mother Deborah. Uh, and Michael tries to kill Lori but dies in the process. Lorie is Michael question Mark. This dropped August twenty nine of two thousand and nine. Yeah, the first one came out in August too, Like why can't you get the

rights to October? Like I don't understand. You know. It was interesting they started to move horror stuff to being more late summer. I guess it would have more time

in the box office if it did well. Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of fascinating if you look back at the original ones that dropped the weekend of Halloween, because that really doesn't make sense because typically you're going to you're, well, yeah, yeah, November is Christmas for box office, Like a lot of Christmas movies drop in November to give you some time.

So and then also like the last Halloween movie to drop during Halloween season technically I'll just say October because I feel like we're in September, We're all still Halloween ready. Was Halloween five, which dropped October, which still was a departure from its twentie release dates. Then Curse of Michael Myers was the twenty nine of September. Then we moved

to August for h two. Oh, then we move all the way up to do uh July for July twelve for Resurrection, and then we're like, oh, that was too far. And then Rob Zombie was August thirty one, and then with Halloween to the second remake August twenty nine. But yeah, so and then we have have you seen the new one yet or just herthy? Because like, now not how yet? I would love to have gotten that really viewing I got, well, I know a lot of film review folks who saw

it at Tiff and they really really enjoyed it. I mean the trailer. I watched it as soon as it came out. I was just like immediately rewatched it a couple of times because like it's just so creepy and visually very exciting. I love I think everybody loves that checkerboard floor. Yeah, visual, and then there's like a part where he drops teeth on the floor that just seems horrifying. Yeah, I'm very very excited about. I think the poster is

really scary too. It's just like his face, you know, from the high angle, and that goes back to what we were talking about earlier. How the first one where he feels like he's always looming of are you and they immediately create that just in the poster. I think that's very cool. So as a horror fan, you were like on it as soon as I was skeptical until I watched the trailer, like when they started talking about

this last year. And I don't know why I'm giving Danny McBride a hard time, because it's like I love him comedian comedically, and we're both comedians, and like I love horror, and I think there's a strong connection between comedy and horror. M and then but as soon as he said he was going to do it, I was like, once you're in qualification. Yeah, Like I was just like, I don't think this is going to be any good. Yeah, but when John Carpenter came on board, I was like, Okay,

I guess if he's okay, he's if he's digging it. Yeah, I get that, you know, because especially says John Carpenter is still alive, You're like, well you need his blessing. Yeah. And well it's like I love the first one so much. I think it's one of the scariest movies ever. I think it's so fun. It reminds me of my childhood because especially all the movie the first few movies that came out in the eighties, it looks like what I

remember Halloween looking like when I was a kid. So they're like old time capsules, Like I'm going Little Time machines are really nice. But um so I was like skeptical. I'm like, does Michael Myers belong in two thousand and eighteen? But with Jamie Lee Curtis on board too, like she deserves it. It sucked that she got killed and I'm excited that she's not dead anymore. Yeah, that was a nice sad change. And also we have like some facts

about how it stacks up against other slashers. So like the First Halloween made a gross of seventy million, the first Nightmare on Elm Street had a gross of twenty five million. First Friday for the First Friday thirteen had a gross of fifty nine point seventy five million, So it seems like, you know, out of the first renditions, Halloween was king. But if we're going based on their highest gross Halloween, the first Rob Zombie one had the

highest gross with eighty million. Maybe we'll break it with a new one, but the highest is the Nightmare on Elm Street reboot that happened in two thousand and ten, which was a hundred and fifteen million, and the Freddie versus Jason, which I think is a double. I don't think it should count as their highest or whatever. Their highest gross was a hundred fourteen millions, so I contributed to that. I saw that one at a drive in. Yeah, in my car, that's a nice way to see it.

It was. It was really fun and even that movie, which is very silly in many parts it was creepy, had a good time. Now. I think the only other interesting thing to say is that this kicked off the final Girl trope, which was like explored in like feminist film criticism. Yeah, because this made you know, in the

next slasher films. It created a pattern where there's always one strong woman was the one who was going to survive, and oftentimes they had like a more gender um, non gender conforming name, so like Lorie can be a guy's name, or like um, Sydney and Scream can be a guy's name. Um. But Halloween, Lori Stroud was like the one that kind of kicked off that idea and started building the pattern

for the final Girl. The Final Girl is uh, it's such an interesting trope because, yeah, it is wild because on the one end, and you're like, oh cool, a woman survives at the end, she defeats the killer. But it's like, man, okay, well, especially when you start exploring that, like why does she's the one who gets to live?

When they start it's nice that John Carpenter wasn't doing it because she was virginal, but they definitely pick up that pattern, and like by the thirteenth movies, it's like one of the I love those movies are fun, but one of the reasons that I think they're a little annoying is that it's just each one or dumb teenagers and they're like not that interesting and it's really either that's just that they're having sex and doing drugs or they're not having sex and doing drugs, and like that's

not like a fun way to decide who dies, because like what killer is like really keeping track of like your nightlife. Well, you know what's really funny is I was going to say, that's also and I think it was done in the same way that John Carpenter did this one where it wasn't meant to be about that,

but it follows also does that? Is this just a p s a to not have sex because I'm sex the thing follows you and so But I don't think that they actually meant, like I think it just teens have sex and that's like an easy way for it in an interesting way. Yeah. No, my mom like really latched onto that and she was like, I think this is a good message for why teenage you're not resist

I don't I think that's what they meant. I think it's just the thing that everyone relates to, is like, what's a relatable thing, Well, you're you have anybody has sex for a sexuals I see you. Um, but I just wanted to make a couple of short, little quick facts before we close this out. And one is that they shot in twenty The original Halloween shot in twenty days. The script yeah yeah, yeah yeah, the script. It took less than two weeks to write. So everyone get your

features finished. My god, I mean there's not a lot of dialogue in it. When you think about it, it's like teens interacting, but there's not like long soliloquies that happened to all the other ones. Uh yeah, and that uh, the house was actually abandoned when they shot, Like, that house was really abandoned. Um, that house had to be located. It's in South Pasadena. And what do you mean relocated, Well,

it was relocated. Um, it was going to be demolished, but I think because of the success of the film, they ended up relocating the house. Yeah yeah, yeah. So that is Halloween. Everyone listening. Let us know. I guess whenever you first remember watching it, and what your favorite one is and what you are looking forward to with the new one. I really I love Jamie Lee Curtis. She's so right. Did you watch screen queens on? I

didn't watch all of it. Now she was very funny and that they gave her a lot of great lines. She girl, I love her from Freaky Friday, Like, she's so good in that, I was good in everything as I love that she's been rocking that haircut for a long time. She was like, this is my look and I'm not changing it and I respect that. Oh you know what we see her at she always comes or

not always comes. But her son is super into anime, and so and Iffy and I work with Funimation, and so we'll go to the Fundimation premieres and she's there with her son and they Caused play a lot. So she will dress up with her son and they'll be at the events like caused playing different characters. Then I forgot, but he's he's yeah, he's a little bit younger than us. I think, Um, I love that. What a great mom.

Oh yeah, she'll go all out and and wear different like outfits and stuff and take pictures and she's super dope. So yeah, it's another cool thing. Nice to hear. Um, Lucy, where can everyone catch you? You can get me on Instagram and Twitter at L t B A comedy. Those are my initials, Lucy Tomlin Brenner. Yeah, and um, I also host a storytelling show at the Lyric called Dead the Whole Time, and it's stories based on urban legends.

So yeah, We've got one on October three, and we've got one on October thirty one, So I'm excited to tell scary stories on Halloween. Halloween. Um, I am at Miss Danny Fernandez and all the socials. We have more sp October episodes coming up for you as to definitely tune in here for all your spooky nous. Prepared to be spook. If you and I will both be at New York Comic Con, I am hosting a panel on Friday. Yeah to but check my Twitter because I'll be posting

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