Episode 11: The Flash

do I sound like? What is my ven diagram of? Like other hosts or actors that are like me? I don't know. Well, what I was going to say is that we are joined up top, which we're not always, but today we have a lovely guest. He is the host of Only Stupid Answers and a good friend in my heart. Mr Sam Basher, Hello, Thanks for having me. When I knew that we were doing the flash, I was like, literally, Sam, I was actually having like okay morning,

like not a great morning. But then you sent me a message and I was like, Okay, this week changed your whole week. I need to vent some flash frustration, some flash frusties fresh you have been. I mean I feel like with me, like everyone knows my brand is like dragon ball Z and Goofy movie, but I feel like you're the known at least in like the nerd community or like the known flash person. Well, I have the this isn't good for audio listening tattoos. We'll have

to get a picture of that and post it. And I have a dragon ball Z tattoos. So there you go. Nice. Yeah, No, it's so when the show came out in for CW, I got into it and I was like on the fence because when you saw his all leather running suit, You're like, that doesn't make it whatever, that doesn't make a lot of sense. But I was like, I'll be on board, and right off the bat it was. It felt like the perfect mixture of a sci fi but

also like romance and mystery story. Yeah. So I started getting into it, and the show did a really good job of actually like picking my interest in like I should maybe reading two comics, And actually that TV show got me into comics and since then I've had a really unhealthy binging habit of like just reading like so many graphic novels and series. So I've been I'm up to date, and I've been working backwards through a lot of series, and so Flash is the reason that I

am a comic book nerd. Now that is insane, you know, I've heard that from other people, but that that the show has actually made them go back and read the comics. I didn't know that about you, sam Oh. I thought you grew up reading these. Can we reschedule? No, I'm just kidding no, But that's probably better because you actually have a more fresh memory because you've been going back and reading all of the comics trying to try. Also, you didn't, like, you know, come into the show with

your own baggage. I feel like that's why it's so hard for nerds to like anything, because they already have their idea of what a perfect X movie is because they've read X their whole lives and have dreamed about it. So when one aspect is all, they're losing their minds. Oh yeah, especially with Flash. A lot of comic book fans, for you guys know that like if like someone gets a new mantle, they're like, but remember when the other person had it, and that will be the like most said.

Thing they'll ever stay in their entire life is about that other characters like we get it, we get it, you like that other person with red hair. It's they're the same people basically. Yeah, But like when you look at decades and decades, it's like you kind of have to take these risks and try something else. I feel like, so, do you want to get into the history. Yeah, let's dip into the history. So the flash created by writer

Gardner Fox and artists Harry Lampert. The original Golden Age Flash first appeared in Flash Comics number one in That's Back in the Day and Jay Garrick was a college student who during a smoke break, accidentally knocks over his science experiment in hard water gases whatever what hard water?

Roy Thomas on like Marvel said, he's done like a great job of like going back and having to fix a lot of the big question mark origin stories for characters, Like if you watch Jessica Jones season two, they introduced a character like named the Wizzard, who was another speedster who got it from mongoose blood, which doesn't make any sense. But with this it doesn't make any sense. What it eventually like became was that he had a meta gene in his body, Jake Eric and the hard water was irradiated,

so that caused his powers to emerge. But yes, it does not make a lot of sense. Why that plus that equal speedster? Gotcha? Yeah? So he was inspired by Mercury, the speedy god of Roman mythology, and Geric is even called the reincarnation of the god in his first issue, and he's known as the Scarlet Speedster. That's it. Yeah. Have you seen what he looked like originally? Hell? Yeah, it was basically a flash shirt. I mean I would

have you ever seen anyone wearing that design? There's a lot of people who really pull it off, and I really did it. But my favorite part of Jay Geric is what he eventually got adapted into. For while he West who is the third Flash, which we'll talk about him, but he became more of a mentor to not just Flashes, but all younger generations. And even if I don't know if you guys are Smallville, I understand if you didn't because it was kind of garbage, but I rewatched all

of it. But they made an extension comic and they introduced Jake Garrick as the like mentor two younger generations, because that's a perfect role for him. He's kind of like this a perpetual grandpa. And I always enjoy that type of characterization in comics. At least it's different from someone who was always like chiseled or has a perfect morality. He's like, no, he's kind of dated, but he just has his wife that he cares, his family that he loves a lot. Yeah, this one that we're looking at,

he's basically in a long sleeve. You know, it's something that you would work out in. I would say it looks like a workout tea, very tight with this tin his metal top hat with his little golden wings. Yeah. I feel like I feel like if someone cosplayed as this and you didn't know the reference, he'd be like, Oh, he's doing like a casual flash cosplay. That's cool. Yeah,

the actual flash. Yeah, I've always been a fan of that helmet, even though it is silly because in comics, like I was reading up on recently because Mark Wade

he did like one of these. He's like one of the most important writers for the Flash during Wally, and he did a lot for j and for Bart and just kind of filling out their lore, but um, they started playing around with like the stuff he could use with the helmet, and also like how he hit his identity because at first he was like public It's like, yeah, I'm I'm just wearing a hat, like there's no reason

you shouldn't be able to identify me immediately. But then he started like he finally introduced like the shaking of his face to hide it. Did y'all see that picture of Zoe de Chanelle and it was her without her bangs or glasses, And it was like, I never understood how people didn't know that Clark Kent was Superman until I saw this photo. It's uh, I saw that one too,

It's crazy. I love it. So the Flash, as we know, has super speed, which includes ability to run, move, and think extremely fast, so he's not just physically fast and uses superhuman reflexes to seemingly violate certain laws of physics m M. And eventually, like we'll talk about the speed force and what that big mess of a concept is. But Jake Grek originally didn't have that. He was just a superpowered person who could just move really fast. Eventually

he got that and he could move even faster. But It's kind of cool because when a comic book writers just decided to get rid of the speed force to simplify some stories, Jay can still be a speedster, which is always really cool. He can still he's not as fast, and since he's an old man, it's kind of sweet that he's like, I gotta take a breath, I have to, like, I have to take a break for a second. But that's another element that I enjoy about him being different

from everybody else. So it seems like, so there's four flashes. You have Jake Garrick, Barry Allen, Wally West, and Bart Allen. So so there are a lot of flashes like instead, which is interesting because you know, there's been Bruce Wayne forever. There's been Clark Kent forever. You know, I think the closest would be the Robbins that kind of swapped out.

But as far as it makes it interesting that there have been so many flashes, yet, you know, there's also been a whole bunch of um green lanterns as well. I was going to say a blank ton, but you know, we don't curse family friendly now. We can always bleep it out get him out of the way now, Well, I've always been a fan that they can switch it out pretty often. Bart I did pick up his run

like recently, and it's super short. Like people really weren't on board with bart being for some reason He's so that's Barry Allen's grandson, grandson from the future, ram back in time, so all the time travel mess that you

could ever want in a story. But yeah, Barry came next, and there's a lot of really cool things that Actually, there was an article a couple of years ago that painted a really good picture of why the Flash is so important to comics and actually and sci fi storytelling and as a whole, like he's used to introduce a lot of bigger concepts to comics, like the idea of the protegey taking over the mentor's role like he Flashed was the first person to do that, introducing the multiverse.

That actually happened between Jay and Barry. And that's such a cool story and it's now something they really are trying to push as far as the multiverse. Yes, it's so cool, and I love the way they do it with Jay and Barry because for some reason Barry knows about say but it then it becomes so much more convoluted, like when they kind of consolidate everything. But I do like that the Flash has been so important for all

of that. Yeah. So the first Flash Jay Garrick. This was during the Golden Age of comics, so back in the forties, and essentially he was also battling crooks and Nazi agents, and he was also alongside the Justice Society of America. That's what it was called until declining interests in superhero comics led to the end of the Golden Age of comics and the cancelation of the Flash in Yeah. Yeah, it was sad, but my man Barry. Yeah, so that so Barry came in and that was the Silver Age

of comics. And I would say arguably, no, I'm going to get in trouble for this being in the nerd world. What I have heard from a lot of Flash people is I feel like Barry Allen is the majority of people's favorite Flash. Depending on your generation. A lot of people will fight to the death for Wally West because we can talk about that, but Barry, I really because his origin has been changed in like Flash Rebirthday. If you watch the Flash show, you know what his origin

is now. But originally it was so cool that he by accident got his powers. Originally, like there's so many that's convoluted, but and then he got them, and he just chose out of the goodness of his own heart to do good things. It wasn't because of a tragedy, it wasn't because of an obligation to somebody else. He just wanted to be a good person. And I feel like you just can't do that anymore for some reason, like, oh,

we can't believe the motivation. I feel like it's because as humans we can't possibly understand having a kind character that would just do something out of the kindness of their hearts. I feel like we need to relate to them in a way that they have some type of motivation, you know, or cynicism or something that they're doing it from. Eventually they do change it so that his mom was it's just which I like. I like that idea when

they got into that with reverse Flash. But it's also was nice for just a second to have someone who just genuinely wanted to be a good person, had the ability to be the best version of himself, and he was so if he did, you want to go into win. Barry got started, So yeah, the Silver Age Flash was Barry Allen, a police scientists who gains his superpowers after an unlikely running with a lightning bolt in some chemicals. Once again, chemicals and oops, that's that's a teenage mutant

ninja turtles. Uh. And funnily enough, the Jay Garrett Flash is even acknowledging Allen's origin tail as a comic book character that inspires the new Flash is heroics, and by nine Aland was popular enough to get his own comic new texts on old characters would launched. A variation of the Justice Society was born called the Justice League of America,

which has been the what it's been since. And even Jay Garrick was reintegrated into the new continuity in the classic Flash of two world story thanks to the concept of parallel earths, which that comics love that idea. I think media loves the idea that there might be a parallel universe because it just it opens the door for literally anything, and it you don't have the complications of like time travel, of like well what if it had to happen before now, or like does that influence the

present or whatnot. It's like, no, it happened it's concurrent, but also that story gets even more complicated because part of that world gets merged back, like Jay Garrick's city, Keystone City, buries Is Central was like part of our world, and then magic happened because of a villain, and then it was kind of gone. But eventually they just like retcon.

It's just like there's another Earth Earth too, and that's where like Jay and your goldename heroes are and we can, like the Justice League in the Justiciety always like pair up and and work together. But it's so cool that Barry was a fan and he literally just wanted to copy this fictional air quote fictional character and be more like him. I kind of like Barry's cost him a little bit more, but I do like Jay's helmet as well, But I don't know if you could wear that now,

it would totally give him away. Not that not that Flashes costume doesn't give him away now. So yeah, So Barry Allen actually remained the flash forward over thirty years and in the comics was romancing his fiance and eventual wife, who was Iris West, and picking up a young sidekick in the form of Iris's nephew, Wally West. Yes, I have to say, Wally West is a great flash Kid Flash and I U Carmen Infantino was the artist for the Flash and I loved his design for Kid Flashes costume.

It's like it's reversed that you got the yellow with the giant red lightning bologna and like they recently like re upped it for the new for ann Birth. Yeah, when he brank Wally West's whole story with that, that's really convoluted, but they showed it again. It was just nice to see because it's so simple but it's so iconic at the same time. And it's crazy that Wally's origin was like basically mirrored what happened to Barry just

happened by accident. It gets more convoluted that like lightning in chemicals, yes, and it was like in Barry's office, it was just like, oh no, like lightning snuck through a window and hit him. But hey, this is an unlucky family. Yes, but they have metal like in there. I know, like who has like a metal plate in their head or something that they're getting struck by lightning? This this off did. There was one comic that said that Barry subconsciously influenced to that to happen to Wally.

But then I everyone's kind of like it just condoun was an accident because it makes it sound like, why would you make a kid you go through that. Well, maybe he wasn't aware, maybe he knew that that was going to be his origin. Maybe. But also Wally was the head of the Flash fan club for his school, which is really fun that like, oh, you're the you're the top fan for the Flash and you actually get to work with him, and you get to work with

your hero. And it's before everyone got really depressed in comics, so it's like, this is actually a good thing. You don't hate each other. Oh yeah, this is back when people were still happy just a little bit. So we're kind of rounding out the Silver Age of comics, which would then lead up to the insanity known as Crisis on Infinite Earth, which, if you do, you want to give us some background on that before we have Sam totally. Yeah.

So yeah, when Barry realized that the universe was about to be destroyed by the nefarious Anti Monitor, who I often mix up with dark Side because they look a lie or a dark side and uh no, no, it's dark Side and Doomsday that these are all about equal, they're all stony looking balance. But he was about to

fire his anti matter cannon. Then the Flash literally ran himself to death to stop the weapon from firing, and Barry's heroic sacrifice saved the day and brought the rest of the heroes the time they needed to finish the job. It's actually a really cool event because d C like when they came up with like, oh, garrickson another if that's cool, and then they're like, well, what if we

did other earths? And then they more and more and then it was kind of like people didn't know if I was reading this Flash comic, does that actually have anything to do with anything else that's happening, And they're like answers no. So it was getting really complicated. So the anti Monitor for reasons, was deleting a lot of the multiverse, and it got down to your last couple

of earths and he was going to delete everything. Barry sacrifices himself and actually that's the first time a character died, like really really died. And it's pretty violent when you like watch it, like, I mean they take out blood and other like gory effects, but he does run himself to death, and he does pop up in other ways in the future, but it's always in the sense that, like he already knows his time is limited, he doesn't get to really live more life after that until we

get further down the load the road. But it's a very permanent thing that the writers chose to do for a very iconic character, and that it's the very first time a character actually died. They in a few years after that they did with Superman in London goes so well, and with Batman then and then goes so well. But well, what I would say with Batman a Superman is that might be also why those characters have never officially had someone else take up their mantle is because it doesn't

go well. I mean those are such not that the Flash isn't and not that Barry Allen isn't. But I think the two title characters, you know, or three if we're throwing in Wonder Woman, who is my o g like Superhero, but I think it would be so difficult to kill off Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent. I mean, as a real Batman was tight. Yeah, I really costs

it might be. Yeah, I think that's about it. But I would say for fans of that of those franchises, no, you're not wrong, because they are like when you think superheroes, the first to are Batman Superman, Like that's pretty impossible to really kill them for that long, but they do open the door for other characters to step up, Like that's how you got Dick grayce and as Batman, and that's actually a really cool combo. And you get Conner Kent and you get Steel and you get Cywork Superman,

who's a really popular villain for d C comics. So there's there's room like opportunities for new characters to pop up and really grow and make a name for themselves outside of that character. But I get it, and I also the Flashes death wasn't permanent, which is a bit of a bummer, but for at least like thirty years, he was not there. We tackled this in our Infinity War episode about how a lot of deaths aren't permanent, and now it just doesn't have as much weight. I

mean to me, like I understand. I remember people are like, well, you know, do we have to have them die permanently? You can still have steaks without having them die. But I just feel like if you know that they're going to be alive no matter what, it really does kind

of remove at least for me. Yeah, the only character that was died pretty permanently was Jean Gray, and then now she's technically kind of back right because they got the old school class and now they're stuck in current time and I'm like, that just feels like it messes up the time continuum. Oh yeah, they never really Like there was a one offline once where it's like, oh, yeah, you guys aren't from the past anymore. You're fine at a time's fine, and it was like, what is that

We're not coming back to that, I guess. But also Jean Gray straight up is there and the young one, so it's like good, it's just super complicated now. But the Flash gets into that territory as well, which is a bit of a moment. But I do agree when you do make like make those kind of sacrifices, it makes the story a little bit more legitimate for me, but not for everybody. Yeah, well no, I think it

was funny. You know. I was having a conversation with someone the other day that talks about why you know, something like game of Thrones. Why does that fantasy show stick so much? Why has it caught so many people? And it's I think it's because death is constant and it's permanent in and I feel like that's what made for One Person, yeah, which we all knew because they were a favorite, But then like the same thing for Walking Dead. I think that's what made it so crazy

because and you see the effect of it. It makes people lose their mind when their favorite character dies because they know they are dead. So there is a jadedness to it. But the alternative isn't as fun either. Yeah. I just wanted to say that Crisis on Infinite Earth came out in um the eighties, so I don't know, don't write me that we didn't give you a spoiler.

Essentially we still get no did I don't know if I showed you, but I tweeted and it was somebody that was breaking down the top ten Twilight Zone episodes, which spoiler alert, we're gonna be talking about because my favorite thing in the world. But someone on the article said, way to spoil the episodes, and they were like it came out in the fifties or not, Like, you know, you don't deserve a spoilers of the whole people that came out between that. Not only that, but it's often

referenced in pop culture like the Simpson's ace Ventura. Like you know, there's so many things that Twilight Zone references have been made, you know, rebooted like twice, right, there's a new Twilight Zone coming and that there was a one on sci Fi, and then there's Jordan Peel's that's coming out on CBS. He was on that one. That moving on to the Modern Age, which we have the third Flash, Wally West. So he was originally introduced in the Flash volume one, number one ten in nineteen fifty

nine as Kid Flash. He's Allen's nephew by marriage. He gained the Flashes powers as we were saying, and then he maintained membership in the Teen Titans for years. So following Allan's death, he adopted the Flash identity in Crisis on Infinite Earths number twelve and was given his own series,

which started in nineteen eighties seven. And it's really cool because right off the bat there's him having to live up to the mantel, which since I wasn't around in the eighties, so I don't know how fans responded to losing Barry Allen. I know if that happened now, people would lose their minds. But it was cool that Wally took the approach of I know that I'm not Berry and that's okay, So I'm just going to be the best person I can be. And he's he's like a

blue color superhero, which is very cool. Eventually people know his name and they know that he is there for them and he's meant to help the little guy, which is very cool. And also he started out slower, like he intentionally was slower than Barry like it was because writing writing, writing, you find out that it was like a mental block, and he ends up unlocking more speed force abilities and Speedster powers than Barrier any flash before.

He's extremely powerful, but at the same time he's very grounded. He has a family and his love story is very sweet. I recently read when he had his kids and it was a really sweet story. Yeah, you get like invested in in the characters. I was going to say many issues began with the catchphrase my name is Wally West, I'm the fastest man alive. That's great. Then the TV show took that because it sounded really good. Yeah, it's

it's a pretty tight catch. Yes, sweet, So tell me about what happened when there was a certain period of time when he ended up misusing his powers and then winning millions in a lottery and then became like a womanizing playboy. Yeah, because that sounds tight. But I want you all to hear this after the break and we're back, and Sam, you told me that Wally West was a

really good person. Uh, and then I found out that when given the opportunity, when you have millions of dollars, which I'm you know, this is just human psychology, one oh one, Uh, you turn into this playboy? Ask person, what is this? Jaded comics? It was that that's true. He did win the lottery, very fun and but eventually hasn't he gotten enough superpowers and millionaire? I mean that's Bruce Wayne. No, Bruce Wayne doesn't have the superpowers. That's

why he's a millionaire because he needs that. I'm sorry, continue, No, you're you're not wrong. But also that womanizer character got kind of attached to the Wally West flash on the Justice Leage animated series and that and that was a very fun character that he's always like no women want to talk to him ever, but eventually that leads to

him getting with Linda Park. They kind of con that lottery went pretty quick because it's like this is a little un like, you're right, this is a little unfair for you to have everything, Um, but it is pretty fun to read a hero like that. He's he's fast talking in every sense of the word, and but he never scores until like he actually meets someone who calls him out on a ship and that's Linda Park And she actually has a bit of a role on the Flash TV show. But it's gonna be a bummer that

we're not going to get more of her. Hopefully we get her in the movies because she's really she's a great character. So then moving on, I wanted to talk about the extremely confusing thing known as the Speed Force. Yeah, so this was introduced with Wally and they're like Berry made it and like it got really confusing. Basically, it's like a place. It's a place, a thing in a

connective tissue a whole multiverse. Right, It's kind of like the Jedi or whatever, like in its connectivity power kind of Yeah, that it for people who can tap into it. Also just to get even more complicated, Barry made it like Berry made it when he got electrocuted with with chemical whatever it was, and like he and by that happening, he created it, and then it existed from that point on throughout all of time past, present, future, So like that ignited it, and it's actually the new fifty two.

They talked about how it's actually what moves time forward and moves all of time and space war that's why he can move so fast and break the laws of physics, because he is the factor that makes it all work for for some reason. But writer Grant Morrison, he did a book called Multiversity, which I highly recommend. It's a story where each issue takes place in another universe and it's like a mystery across all universes, and you get to see a map of what the DC universe looks like.

And what holds it all together is the speed Force. It's like a speed force wall how they depicted in the map. What else to say is that it's kind of sentient a little bit depending on who's writing it, but for the most part, it kind of creates a shield and allows the Flashes or whoever can tap into the speed force too, like you said with Jake Garrick, but like think very quick. They have fast reflexes depending on which flashes they have a higher metabolism says to

eat more. But also they can face through objects. It can go on and on and on what they are capable of doing with the speed force, but what it is is big question work for what the writer wants. For the most part though, it's just part of the universe that helps time and space move forward. Dang, Yes, it gets heavy and then some people are like they down to first. It's really cool. It has so dang,

we should link that cool in our footnotes. It's super cool that has a breakdown where heaven and Hell are and it also incorporates Sandman from Neal Game in there. It's very cool. It's okay, whoa, you're you're blowing away. It has heaven and hell Heaven and can they like can they move between those? Yes? And they have Hades and Olympus like a, oh yeah, they have Greek mythology people. I mean that makes sense because he's Mercury. Yeah, and wonder Woman as well. My mind is blown. You know.

It was funny because before we started this, if I hope this is okay to say that you like said you're not really into the Flash. No, yeah, I didn't. Flash was not my guy. Look, when you read capes, which is slang for superhero comics, you have to choose who you're going to zero in on. And at the time I was reading Flash, I was reading d C and Marvel, and on Marvel, I think I was on

Black Panther. Of course, Actually no Black Panthers stopped running unless this is the time, because this is when they went our crossover crazy, and a crossover event is when an event takes place across all of their comics. So

Marvel was going insane with like Fear Itself. Then they had the Heroic Age, and then they went and did their huge whatever tied to the movie, and then they had shadow Land, which was an amazing crossover, which I hope they do on The Defenders, which is when the Daredevil tries to use the Hand for good but obviously turns evil. And then Black Panther comes and watches Overhill's kitchen. So I'm reading all that and at the same time, I get in during Brightest Day, right after the Darkest

Night crossover event. Dark Blackest Night is really cool. Day is rough. It's it's brightest day just really was because they built up to nothing. For those who don't know, Brightest Day kept talking about this white lantern and and that how because darkest night is when they kind of created all of the different lanterns, which were orange for avaice read for rage, indigo for compassion. Then what was

the violet Violet was this love star sapphire. That's them, and then you had hope hope, and green for and then yellow for fear fear, and so they there was this huge battle between all of the ease and it just kind of shook, and then it created the black lantern, which was death and it was gnarly. It was really cool. It's the coolest cross. It's space zombies. That's what it

came out. Everyone who is dead, every corpse. I don't know if that meant animals too, but like they'd get a black lantern ring and they are alive, and that is at the army. If you kill one, you can't kill one because they'll just come back, exactly. And so all of the lanterns had to work together to fight it, which was cool because now all these lanterns that were warring are now friends, and I was a big red

Lantern fan. I loved Oh my gosh, a Trocitus was ridiculous, and he had a cat named Dexton that would would always that he loved. It was insane. It was like peak DC comics. And then after the event they had Brightest Date where there was this big, fabled white Lantern that everyone was hyped and then it turns out that white Lantern isn't all of us. It was super con I tried to read it, and it's super convoluted. It's really hard to follow. I like what they did with

dead Man. That was cool that they gave a body. It was like dead Man's story was so good. Actually that was like a heartwarming story. But everything else and the truth is we were the heroes. It was so dumb. It made me so bad. I screamed when I turned that. And then there was like a Dare like thing next to like don't do drugs, a right next to it. But because of that, I was reading so many comics

and I had to one had to go. And Flash was my guy that was getting the axe, but he came back into my life and I had to like go back and grab a few because the flashpoint event happened, and uh, we'll get into that in a second. But yeah, once flashpoint happened, I was like, let me jump into this flash and then I was like, nah, you gotta get the cut. Like this Flashpoint was cool. I actually liked it, but just his solo comic just could not

keep me snatched. Currently, Joshua Williamson is writing, and I really did what he has been doing, Like he's been very creative with how he uses the speed Force and he actually creates something like it's called the speed Force Storm. They just made a bunch of new Speedsters, so there's new characters that they can play around with. But going back, like that was around the time with Brightest Day, that

would have been around like Wally West. Oh Barry was back for that at that point and bart Allen was running around as well. But um, like going back a little bit further, like Wally West, he had probably the most famous run for the character, Like if you want recommendations, Mark Wade's run for Wally West and Jeff John's. He has my favorite run for the Flash period because it's at first it starts out really wonky, like he's in this mirror world. It's like medieval and you're like, I

don't know where we are. It ends and eventually comes back to the blue collar side of his character, and it's really sweet that he works with unions and he tries to make like big businesses work with the smaller like like the industrial side of Central City in Keystone City or this is yeah, both of these cities. I feel like maybe you also really like that because that's

who they based um. Jeff John's was so heavily involved in the c W show like how that Barry Allen was going to be, so they definitely copied the best place, and also he was instrumental in reinvigorating people's interest in Barry Alan. Jeff Johnson was especially with Flash Rebirth, but with Wally. He was also training bart Allen during that.

That's when they introduced him his impulse, and he was a really interesting character because he should have been extremely annoying, which for some people he was because he's born a speedster in the future and they bring him back in time and he was raised in a simulation that can keep up with how fast that he thinks, so he's never interacted with real people before and He's like, oh my god, I can't I can't take how slow you are talking right now. So and he's very excited at

the time. He's very positive, and it was cool to see Wally, who was mentored by like in everyone's minds in the world the best Flash now having to take up that mantel and actually be a good teacher, which was pretty interesting. Yeah, so let's dive into Flashpoint. Um, there's a lot to tackle their aside from the fact that that is also the name of the new movie that is coming out, which they changed from a flash

movie too. Now it's flash Point, which Sam you were saying is kind of a weird choice to have as a movie, Like you get it, like you get it, like so flashpoint in the comics, so like for timeline of how things went while he was was Flashed for a while, they wanted to invigorate it, and so they made Bart like He's like cool, like you get another

younger Flash to be him. He didn't work out for very long while he came back and they're like, well, we have a big event called Final Crisis, might as well like have another big twist there for people to pick it up. Barry comes back to life. It's actually a really cool moment where he's literally while he accidentally runs into the speed Force since he's Barry out running death.

It's a really cool moment. But then we Barry comes back to life, we get the flashpoint, and that's Barry choosing when he finds out what actually happened to his mother who was murdered by the Reverse Flash. Which I'm excited to talking about Reverse Flash because he's actually one of my favorite villains that DC's ever created, and I think that be fun to kind of dive into him.

But when he finds out that Reverse Flash went back in time and killed his mother, he's like, if time wasn't supposed to be that way, let me try to fix it, and it immediately everything goes wrong. It's another thing with the speed Force. To add in that there is a speed force and a negative speed force that bad speedsters use the negative one and good well it sounds yeah, just like this other thing that we know,

and with speedsters they can run faster. But even though this came out before Star Wars, but it feels very Jedi City. Oh. The speed Force, I think was timeline wise came out after Star Wars, I think, yeah, I think, oh no, but I think it's a common not even

a trope. I don't want to say, but it's a common like theme I would say in a lot of superhero I've actually never thought of it that way, but actually, really it's definitely because the Jedi can tap into and like, so the good can use it for good, and they're kind of all connected in that way, in the same way that people that can use a speed force are kind of connected, Like it's a thing that they can just kind of tap into, and kind of like how

the Sith can kind of use cooler powers, the Speedsters can go through tiny have cooler lightsabers. So essentially, what would you say that the main bullet point of flash Point for people that don't Barry went back in time, saved his mom, and it created an entirely new timeline, and uh, for the most part, I really dug what they did, and it was so cool. Everyone changed. Batman is no longer Bruce Wayne, it's his dad, and freaking wonder Woman is like Queen of the Mascaria going to

war with Atlantis. Like Aquaman and Wonder Woman are at each other's throats, so they sunk Europe. They like a Superman never came into being in his story. Actually, if you want a really cool story, read Batman's Flashpoint story. I've ever read it. It's where you find out who flash Point Joker isn't. Oh, it's dark, it's amazing. Oh I think I do remember that one, really really good. But the main point is Barry realizes that you can't

just make decisions like this, and you have to. He makes another big sacrifice like he did before, and he chooses to stop himself from saving his mother, complicating the timeline so much that a lot of different universes start to merge together, kind of like how Crisis of Infinite Earth's happened. And it created a new timeline that created the new fifty two with Barry Allen as the main flash and a lot of new things in the DC universe that weren't there before, and a lot of things

have been deleted. Ed got uh, Barbara Gordon out of the wheelchair. It basically reversed the killing joke, and people weren't too happy about it. No, no, and they're still and they're still not happy about it. It's been like what eight years, but they're still set in their defense.

That was kind of a whack move that the Killing Joke literally has the Jokers showing up and just paralyzing a female character, And it became like super important part to the just sleek to Batman, to a lot of heroes, being the one who coordinates everybody and makes it all work and actually keeps them together and organized and make sure that's that's the nice way to put it. It turned into a receptionist for superheroes. It turned bad Girl into a superhero receptionists. So I was very pro, yes,

let's get her back in the cow. There's so much debate around that. Yeah, Like I'm like, no, I want her back in a cow, because I did think it was weird that just as a plot device, you paralyze one of your female heroes. Oh, if we want to do Killing Joke, I'm not a big fan. I am not a big fan of that book. People love people

love people will write y'all, but not me. No, people, because because it seems like there was a point where killing Joke was the top, and then I felt like a few years ago there was a point where I was like, actually, killing Joke was not that tight. We were like everyone kind of got there. Definitely will be people who was like, no, I still think it's great. That's you can read That argument would be that she overcame that. I think that is what I see a

lot of people's arguments. But I'm always like, also, not to take away it did introduce a disabled character. I don't want anyone who kind of like sees themselves in Barbara Gordon in a wheelchair to think that I want to snatch that from you, because that is an aspect of it that I don't want to forget about as well. Good point, that's fair, But we got her back and she got a really cool costume. She actually has my favorite like bat costume out of everybody because she got

the boots and she got the purple. It's it's super tight. But from there, from flash Point, we got Barry Allen as the main flash again, and they actually had to do a lot of work to like make him interesting because while Barry was flashed for like the longest period of time, it was in the time when like these comics like there, there's not like a lot of depth

to them. It's just like what you have to flourish for the cool guy, and like he like, and then like he was like, well he just used to go faster, and like that's that's how old comics went. So they actually had to like really build them up and make him interesting. And it is fair why I understand why you dropped the Flash after New fifty two because some of the writing got wonky, got super wonky. Also, Wally Wester was gone. He was just like not in comics anymore.

They totally deleted. Remember people were a little bit salty about that, Yes they were. And then they moved forward and reintroduced him as Wally West, but they changed his race, which is good to like like have diversity. Is like when you read a Flash comic, it's just like it's

just pale, pale everybody. They're all Flash. Yeah. When they say we are the Flash, it's like collective, like hive mind, well the Flash, but it's like they yeah, but you had fans like freaking out about that for no reason. But it's cool that that Wally was what they based the Wally for the Flash TV show off of, and

it gave diversity that show, which is very nice. It was just nice that they're willing to like take a chance and actually do something different, and I think the thing is, like, yeah, it is shocking, because I think as humans, change is very jarring, especially when it's like your dude, your character and it changes. But as long as you just keep the writing good and press on and ignore the haters for a bit, they fall in line.

You know. Yeah, I wanted to Sam because you had touched on Reverse Flash, who is arguably one of the most liked slash popular villains DC history period, but essentially Professor Zoom. He was actually the first villain to call himself Reverse Flash, because there's a couple of Reverse Flashes or people that go by that name, who was a century scientist who fought Barry Allan in the Silver Age. I feel like he's pretty complicated, Like that's the best

way to describe him. He's extremely complicated. The best version of his story Jeff Johnson Mark Wait, if you kind of like boil their origins down together, you kind of get a good idea. Actually, Mark Waite again giving him a shout out. He has one of the best Reverse Flash stories, and you actually find out why he is so obsessed and why he actually fights Barry for any reason whatsoever, Like why would he even care? He was

the Flash's biggest fan. He was a curator at the Flash Museum, which I do love that Flash has a museum. His city actually loves him. Yes, he's openly yeah superhero and it's it's I love that aspect of the character. But Reverse Flash EO Bard silly name, and he was obsessed with him. And he ends up finding in a time capsule a version of the Flashes suit that has some of the Speed force in it. Again, what does

that mean? Doesn't matter because he's able to replicate the powers run back in time and he goes to the Flash Museum, and the other one writing gets a little confusing because he notices when he walks into the Flash Museum of the Past that he sees the Reverse Flash and he sees the name of who the Reverse Flashes, and it's his name, and he's like, what wait, what are you talking about? Like why would I be the

bad guy? I don't understand if you worked at the Flash, if you se him in the future, you didn't see your name on that on that exhibit. But regardless, from there, he kind of goes a little crazy important tidbit. He got plastic surgery to look like Barry Allen, that's how much of a family was, So it's already unhealthy his obsession with Barry. But when he runs back in time, he actually pretends to be Barry like because he's like, I'll just be better. I can be better because I

know all the Flashes stories. I can be a better hero. And he doesn't want Wally to succeed. Eventually, while he does overcome and EO. Bard chooses, he's like, you know what if I can't be a better Flash, I'll make the Flash is better. And I think that's such a crazy threat to make for somebody. But when you add in time travel, it means he can do just about anything. And Jeff John's Are actually has one of my favorite stories just about EO. Bard, And there's this whole issue

where he edits his own timeline. He goes through and he kills like one of his parents, like where he's like, what can I edit and make sure that time's okay? Like what can I change? And that's what he does to Barry, Like he goes back in time and he alienates Barry's childhood, like he takes away his friend. He makes sure he breaks his legs so he can't join

baseball and I can't like make a social life. And then he finds out that like he can actually take away his mother and Barry will still be the Flash, but he won't be who he was before, and it's like, how can he mess with someone? And how could you even plan to fix that? But the whole point is that he actually loves Barry more than anybody. He cares more in the air quotes, he loves him more than anyone.

He's willing to do the things that no one else would do to make him a better hero whatever that means. And better heroes have better more tragic back stores. It's really messed up, like the more you like read about it, but he is. That's usually the motivation for most reverse Flashes is to make the other flash better. Yeah, well

you know that. I want to get more into this, more into how it appeared in the c W and more in too, our thoughts on the oncoming Flashpoint movie and what it's supposed to be, But we'll get into that after these messages. And we're back here with Sam Basher. So the c W show is what got you into the comics. I love that, and that's you're not the only person that has said that that they loved the show so much that it made them go back, and

we should just say that. So Grant Gustin is the actor who when he was cast, I remember there was a lot of blogs and blogs, there were a lot of debate about him being Also he was younger, so typically our Barry Allen is you know, can be a little bit older, has a family, same with Wally West. And I actually like the fact that he, like, there's so much about The Flash that I was the same with if he were I didn't really like I didn't really grab onto him the way I did other characters.

If I'm being totally honest, I was a Batman girl, like I just love he was like dark and broody. He gets me and my evanescence and inkst like, you know, my my chemical romance phase whatever. And uh, I really liked that. Well. I liked him back with the animated series, but I liked the darkness of him and I didn't

really understand kind characters. So I love the fact that both Grant Gustin and Ezra Miller have this like awkward, like you know, relatable, likable character kind of child like a little bit child it's very innocent too, and they're pretty innocent. You could like some people were like, oh, he's immature. It's like no, it's more innocence that he

kinda sees the people. Yeah, he's naive. And I really was excited because Great Guston showed up a Barry as just Barry, not the Flash on Arrow, and I was watching that right right, yeah. He Actually those are some of my favorite episodes as a two parter, and you get to see that he's just excited, like he's excited about this world of something bigger out there, and those I remember were heavily well received. When he dropped in on Arrow, it was like game over. This kid's getting

his own show now. There was actually some talk, just rumors through the grapevine or whatnot, but I had heard that later on in the Seat that would be season two of Arrow, they were thinking of having a kind of like back to our pilot in that in that season for Barry to see if like maybe we don't know if it's gonna be good, but since that tart did so well, they're like, no, we'll do a actual full pilot with like the full like order. And because

if that wasn't going to do well. They were actually gonna maybe add Barry into Arrow as like a supporting character, which is actually also interesting. But I'm glad that he got his own show because I think season one of The Flash two, three, four, we just finished four have been because they have to make some certain decisions to make sure that Barry doesn't solve everyone's problems. But in season one, I think it's almost like a perfect Superhero

origin season because it deals with the Reverse Flash. It was just really interesting and basically you're seeing it from the point of view of EO. Bard Cho. This is light spoilers for season one like if that, if that's cool, that's cool, but basically came out. Yeah, it's on Netflix.

You can go watch the whole thing. So basically it opens with you, like you see Barry losing his mom and him growing up and there's no plan for him to be the Flash, and he ends up getting a mentor named Harrison Wells, and from there Harrison's kind of

partially responsible for giving him his powers. But what you find out is Harrison is Reverse Flash and you realize that even though he wanted to take down Barry, in doing so, he stopped the speed force from ever being created, so he doesn't have speed power, so he's stuck in the past. And from there he actually has to create the person that he hates more than anything so that he can go home, like he can't go home without him.

And it's this kind of tragic, complicated feeling where a villain falls in love kind of like as a father figure for the person he hates the most, and he helped raise and helped create him to become the best version of himself because that means he gets to go home, and it makes him have to question everything about himself. EO. Bard is still a very bad person in that show, Like he's extremely about, very creepy, and it's um Tom

Kavanaugh who plays him, and he's an amazing actor. But it's such an interesting choice to make where this person is from the future. He literally knows exactly what's going to happen, and he's going to manipulate every little chess piece so that he can get what he wants, and like, how do you plan for that? How how could you about? How could you plan for that? And it it basically

you get this amazing touching moment. It's actually a great moment where it showed that Grant Gustin like he can act like he's he as a theater actor, but you got to see him really spread his wings where you have this moment where he actually gets to talk with his mom, like right after Reverse Flash, that's what he does. And it's this moment where it's just like, you understand why people love Bury Allen because he can make that kind of sacrifice you saw it in Crisis on Infinite Notes.

He's able to see that like this is something he can't maybe even fathom, because like with time travel, sometimes you can't fathom the problem, like the consequences of it. But he's still willing to make that kind of sacrifice for the greater good and for the people that he loves.

And so that's one of that's one of my favorite elements of basically every Flash is that they are able to lay down their life and make these kind of crazy sacrifices while he's done it, be or in some way or another, but Berry is the one who does it the most often. And I think, trust me, there's so much more to season one of The Flash if

you want to go watch it. It has actually one of the coolest uses of time travel because it's an accident, and it's really cool showing someone discovering time travel by acting, because you see how dangerous that can be if you don't know that he Barry does it by accident. It's

a it's an amazing, beautiful scene and something. Anyway, I can go on and on and on, but I think if you want to know why I love Barry so much, that show does a good job and thanks to Jeff John's being a part of that and really kind of boiling down the best of wall In the best of Barry in creating this new character who is Grant Gustin's Berry Allen. But also I did like Ezra Miller's character

in the Justice League movie. While that movie was played problems, I enjoyed it as much as a Fast and the Furious movie, if that means anything. That's such a weird comparision, because it's like when you really try to like break it apart, you're like, what's what's happening? Actually, I just enjoy it for like the action of it. Yeah, I was gonna say, before we move on to Ezra Miller, I wanted to talk just a little bit more about the c W shows of the Flash premiered in North

America on October seven. The pilot became the second most watched premiere in the history of the c W, and that was after Vampire Diaries. And so calling Atwood actually worked on the costume. So his costume, if you haven't seen it, it's like a has a burgundy color scheme,

a masked helmet, gold accent. So Grant actually had to have the Uh, it would take him approximately forty minutes to get into his costume, and just sitting in the makeup chair, I'm like, when whenever I hear these stories of like and it took seven hours of makeup, and like now when I'm in it for like twenty minutes, I'm like, what the hell? And then they actually had to glue his mask to his face because it kept

like sliding off. This was and then one other fact about it is the sound design for the show was handled by Mark Camperell, who he said, essentially the sound effect for Berry is made up of elements of thunder, electricity, jet fireballs, and various custom wishes and impacts. Yeah, I was gonna. He essentially wanted it to be treated like a hot rod he said, yeah, so that's a little that's in fact, that's actually a really cool fact. And I think it's the show that's used an air cannon

more than anyone in the world. Whenever it takes off, there has to be an air cannons and everyone's hair gets blown every all papers go everywhere, Like, could you imagine if you did that like nine times a day, for five days a week. It's four years now, I get a little tired of it. But also in the first season, it was the only season where they actually had Grant and the team were like, oh, we gotta make him run, so that the like like in between shots were like you see him on a green screen

or whatever, like that's actually him running. But later they realized, like, you were wasting a lot of time. Actually you don't have to sweat in that leather number. You can just we'll put your face on a CG person in a fine And that's surprising. Actually a lot of the CG stuffy're able to pull off in the Flash TV show actually looks pretty done good. It's not bad. Also very fun rogue. When we like talking about villains, Gorilla Grod is a very Yeah, he's a super popular telepathic ape

telepathic talking ape from the Flash comics. But the way they introduced him in the Flash TV show is nothing like how they do in the comics, and they kind of make him like, uh, like a movie monster. The way he is portrayed, it's very cool, like we don't know if he's real or not. There's like whispers off him, and when he finally makes his debut, he looks awesome. And also classic actor Clancy Brown does the voice for him and he has a very important role with Grod.

So another little reason to check out that season of The Flashy Check it out Netflix. Yeah, when you talked about the CG being good, you just took me back in time. Do you remember that show Mutant X. Yeah, well wait, it's the it's it was the X Men show. That wasn't the x Men show or like and they and I remember the c G and that was not that tight, and I remember thinking like, oh man, they it's gonna be hard for them to do superhero shows and just looking how far we've come. But yeah, it

just you just made me remember that. I remember the Mutant XS. It ran It has sixty six episodes, but that's a lot it's actually a lot. Yeah, it ran for a minute. My favorite was small Ville. The way they do effects is that Clark just runs in pushes people against the wall, and then that's the that's they don't want them to fly. They don't want to have like laser vision too many times. It's always running and wooshing.

You can always tell an early odds on the TV show because this cast photo was just oh wow, it's like very n c I s very insight. I love the fact that Linda Carter came up with the spin for Wonder Woman because it was like, how are we going to how is she going to get changed into her Wonder Woman outfit? And it was like having her arms out and spinn because that's not in the comics,

So she came up with that for the show. I was bummed we didn't get Linda Carter at all in the movie, like not even like just like walking by and giving a wave or something. What if it turned out? She was like, under, I bet that they will in the second one, hopefully, and maybe we get a nod to this. You know, it would be amazing if she were a villain, that'd be really cool. Hi, let me call up Patty Jenkins right now, So moving on our final baby Flash right here is my favorite Ezra Miller.

I feel like he was one of the best parts of Justice League. So he actually made his first cameo and Batman verst Superman Dawn of Justice that was back in then he had a cameo and Suicide Squad also, and then later as a lead in Justice League. In this is Kelly Canna Yama from Nurdics said, Ezra Miller's portrayal of the Flash made me a believer. As Barry Alan, Miller was not merely super speedy, but vulnerable, eager, awkward, alienated, and all around endearing. I mean he was also just

comedically hilarious. But yeah, I thought he brought this element to the Justice League that was so needed. This like comedic, you know, lighthearted, also like just someone how would you act for you had superpower? You would probably be weird. Oh yeah, he's like kind of like he's fast talking. He doesn't have the patience for people like he like,

and it's not meant to be rude. It's just that he can't understand why people won't talk faster and think faster and understanding faster because he can like he that's how his entire universe works. And I was on the fence, but I wasn't gonna go in and be upset about. I was like, let's just see because I like Ezra Milan a lot of roles, and I liked what he did because it was he was endearing and I love that he was a kid kind of like he was

like he was like naive like Grant Gustin. And I love that line from Batman when he says, just save one, like he doesn't know what to do in such a big scenario. It's just like just if he's the EVA guy perfect, that's fine. Like he gets the people out of there and he just does like the quick run ins and get outs like that's I mean, sometimes that's all you need from the Flash, but you also get really awesome moments. So I wouldn't mind him in his

own solo flash well. So, so he is going to be in his own and he's going to be in Flash Point. I personally feel like that he's going to crush I. I know you're concerns with the story as far as a movie and like what it's actually going to cover and if it can do so successfully covering the actual Flashpoint arc. But I don't know. I'm excited for and and the other characters that will get to from it. We could get a lot of really cool

characters out of it. And basically, the original Flashpoint was meant to be a reset because comics at certain points become a little too dense for new readers to hop in. So the New fifty two was a reset. And that's

what a lot of people are looking at. If if you made a Flashpoint movie, that means you want to reset the movies that you've already done, which seems it seems but but the fact is, if that's what they were doing, I'd be like, okay, yeah, color me interested, you know, especially with Ben Affleck not being Batman anymore. And so that does give them agency to be like, Okay, we're gonna recast, We're gonna wipe the world. But I

don't think that's what they're doing. I don't think so either, because it's just kind of confusing to like, do we even watch those old movies anymore? Does that mean anything to anybody? But it could lead to a more positive outlook. They could just pretend, remember when we covered our Marvel one, it was like the whole oh no, he's not Edward Norton. You know, they didn't bring that up at all, So

let's not forget X Men first class. They came out, we're a little better and there in the time, and I guess, yeah, yeah, I think that would be interesting. I don't think that they're going to get rid of our girl gal though as wonder Woman, Like there's no way they're touching her in the next like eight years at least, So she's going to be our wonder Woman for a while just because of how successful she was as and she's great and very well loved in America's

Sweetheart DC Sweetheart. So yeah, so I don't see them

necessarily touching that. But I do think it would be so interesting if they had a different Batman or a different you know, it would be and like, like we talked about the Flashpoint, like we found out that Thomas Wayne was the one who was playing Batman, and we already saw Jeffrey Dean Morgan play him in the flashback for Batman Supermans of seeing him take up the mantle as also Flashpoint, Batman has like the coolest costume, Like my favorite Batman costume for like the male Batman characters.

I really like the red and the red eyes and the red like his chest, so that would be really cool. And Cyborg plays a really big role in that. And you could see Gal playing like a more serious, like militaristic wonderment for just for just for a second. It's like a little else world story. And you could throw

Zachary Levi's Sam in there as well. And Jason Momo could actually get more room to play because he didn't get to play that much as Aquaman in Justice League and seeing him be like this big, badass character could be really interesting. Yeah. I just pulled up this is um flashpoint Batman teased again by Jeffrey Dean Morrigan. This was back in December. Look at this image here do

you see this? Uh? It's pretty cool. But I will say Flash could also be This was pitched a lot when Justice League was they're doing the press junkets that like, Flash could be like a Spider Man for d C because he's always lower tier. He always kind of deals

with like ground based like thieves and whatnot. There are sci fi threats he goes against, but like seeing him go against his rogues in a movie would also be interesting as well, and it could since he's so h naive and he likes to make jokes, and he's very and his powers are kind of all over the place. You could get a really sweet and endearing story between him dealing with his father who's in prison, and dealing

with the death of his mother. There's a lot of elements there that could lend to really good storytelling that doesn't need to be as big as Flashpoint, which could be interesting as well be true. So before we sign off on this, I know you mentioned several comics, but where should people start if they want to get into the flash comics. There's two flash rebirths. There's one about

Barry Allen, like Reintroduced. That's a good one written by Jeff John's and then there's another flash rebirth where it's just like this is the beginning of a big story and you can start there, and that's written by Joshua Williamson. There's two walies right now. Don't worry, I'll figure out what that means exactly, and you'll get a bunch of new speedsters. So that way you get to feel like you're in on it. But my and again I mentioned Mark Wade, that's a that's a classic run for Wally West.

But my personal favorite interpretation of the Flash is Darwin Cook. He wrote and he drew do you see a new Frontier? And that's so beautiful. It's amazing, and I wish I could buy all the prints from it. But the premises when the characters were creating in our world is when they actually appeared in their world. So the stories come from the nineteen thirties and the forties and the fifties.

And when you see baryons introduction in the way, they show his powers and they show just like how fun loving he can be and actually how powerful he actually is and why he deserves to be on the Justice League and how important he is. Darwin Cook nails it like he it's a beautiful story. So if you want beautifully drawn, so beautiful. I remember when he passed away, I like went out and picked up something they had, like a ton of his comics and stuff. I think

it was that Golden Apple comics here in Hollywood. It was so you just want to like take I mean, I know that people don't like this, but I just want to cut the pages of the frame them. I got to everybody just chill man. Well, if you do have any has Sam you know enlightened you at all?

And some of the more in depth aspects of the Flash not being so singular, because I do have to say you kind of like a very singular character in our other show that we're both of sessed with who reminds me quite of the Flash because he's naive and also sacrifices himself. I will say as a recommendation, it's my favorite Flash moment that has ever been captured in

like film or TV. The Justice League cartoon, I think it right now it's off, but once that d c app comes out that they're doing for Titans and Doom Patrol, you can check it out there the final stretch of the show, they have this amazing moment where they really solify why the Flash is important to the Justice League. Because he's so young and he has a younger outlook on life. He's able to kind of keep them in

check when they get more militaristic. Even Superman can kind of lose it after a while, like being around Batman

and Wonder Woman because they're more serious. And there is this moment where the Justice League is taken out and Flash runs away and you think, like, is he leaving and no, it's just it's a moment where they show just how powerful he is and how far he's willing to go to protect the people that he loves, and you get this awesome moment where you actually see him run around the world on multiple times and showing the

kind of like raw power he actually has. While there's sci fi elements that kind of get confusing that are attached to his character, you can see that deep down keys of Powerhouse and given the chance, he could take out most of the heroes and the villains in the DC universe, And there's a perfect example of that in that episode. So check that out if you guys want to check that out. Just League cartoon is still also just really entertaining if you don't want to just watch

that part. So, so we're talking about the new one Justice League Unlimited or the Unlimited. Did you like the Flashpoint paradox I dug that. Yeah, there's those very surprise of how well they adapt a lot of those stories and just how entertaining those animated movies are. Yeah, So if if people don't know, you can watch that. That's an animated film that came out in it was Justice League The flash Point Paradox. It might be another one to check out. Pretty good. Yeah right, Well, Sam, where

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