Episode 100: Scary Movie

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of years of doing strength training. Now I'm like squatting quite a bit. But like people will be your form this and that and blah blah, blah, and I'm like, I'm sorry, do you want me to only post when it's absolutely perfect? Like that's not I'm posting my progress. And also I did not ask you. I do not. I literally have a trainer that you can see in the video. So it's like I pay somebody so you

don't have to tell me crap. But still people will tell me, like especially in the chronic illness community, they'll be like, oh, man, like I saw you do that, so then I tried to do it, Like that's the whole reason I post. Yeah, I mean in the end, like forms gonna shift and change based on the amount of weight and struggle, and you know, like and there's some dated like things people say about form, Like they're like, keep your chest up, keep your chest up when you're squatting.

But if you have your chest up when you're squatting big numbers, you're curving your back and that's way you do not want to do that when you're squatting. So I just laugh at people because it's like, oh, you're not used to big weights. Don't ever talk to me in your life again. Also, just a reminder, I have my bachelor's Bachelors of Science and kinesiology, which is literally exercise science from the University of Texas where all the money went into sports. So just going to throw that

out there. It is our one hundred episode. Enjoining us today, we have film and TV critic. She's written for Rotten Tomatoes. It's Chauncey Robinson. Hi, Hey, thanks for having me. I'm excited. You are a big horror head. Yes, yes, I love horror. Horror is my jam. I do a lot of film and TV critic reviews, but I can have a real love for all horror that's so dope, which I usually give it a lot more space when I review because you got something, you know, you get those indie ones

and staff that aren't you know, I give space. So what was your first like, uh, what is the scary movie that you remember the most? Like? When how old were you when he first saw I don't know, your first horror movie. I don't know, probably like I mean, my brother and my mom tell me it was like six or seven years old. It was like the Nightmare Elm Street franchise, which I was like deathly afraid of. And any time my mom would go out and my

brother was ten years older, me would babysit. He My mom was like, now, don't play Nightmare Stree, and of course he would play it. At any time that Freddie came on. He would cover my head with the blanket, but of course I could still hear Freddie, so I'd have dreams. And I never really knew what Freddie looked like, so he always took the form of like my old teachers or so ever, like trying to kill me with

claws of some sort. And it was really cool because once I got older, Um, I grew up a lot of boys, like so I was like the baby but surrounded by all boys. So they would play tricks on me with with Freddie and stuff. But then I got oldered for some reason, there was like some sort of switch and I just came to love Freddie and all of that. And I just actually recently visited the Nightmare elm Stree house that's actually here in Los Angeles. Yeah, yeah,

and it is. It was very exciting. I tried. I stayed behind the bushes so that the homeowner when I took my picture, but yeah, it was very it was like a full circle moment. There's a couple of those out here, a couple of famous horror one, Halloween one is out here. It's a little bit further out. It was more in the valley, the Halloween one. Um. I also went to the Brady Bunch House too, isn't there one? Is that the one where the Halloween houses and passage? Yeah?

I think yeah, the Halloween Yeah. And then right next door to it, they have a very cool um gallery there that has all the pictures from the So they're kind of capitalizing on the fact that people go there for it. Um. Yeah, because they actually they moved it. They the house was moved because I guess it was in line for demolition and they were afraid that, you know, because it's like an historic part. So they just moved it across the street. And now it's like a train

track right there. So there's only like a little bit of part to like take a picture in front of, which kind sects, but like you know, you kind of get the selfie on the angle and then like high behind a tree and like sate Michael and stuff. It's so funny. Yeah, I know, like they have you been to the Amityville House? I haven't. Yeah, there's so many like horror houses and have you done any because Danny is Um. I'm trying to find a better way to say this, but I say crazy because she goes to

a lot of haunted places. Do you ever do any of that stuff? Oh? Yeah, one of the things I wanted to do when I mean I grew up. I was born and raised in Jersey on the East Coast. I can hear about about three years now down in Los Angeles, and one of the things I wanted to do eventually was like the go because a lot of the haunted places seems to feel like they're more so

on the East Coast, like the Assylum and stuff. So I want to eventually, like maybe spend the night in one of those places and just kind of like fill it here. An asylum I can't do. I mean maybe maybe if I had like a crew or something with me, because I did this like comedy ghost Hunting Pilot, where we spent the night at Bob Baker's Marionette Theater, which has a good vibe to it, and not all places do, um,

but someplace I would recommend is in San Diego. They have the Whaley House, which I've been to multiple times. In fact, I did like a paper on it, and um, it's one of travel channels most haunted places. I think you can't spend the night there. Um, it was like, yes, it's an old town San Diego. Several people have died for various reasons in that area and old town is

historical and it's awesome. Like there's a cemetery that's close by, and there's like you know, people wear garb from that time, and there's like candle making and and all of that. The house is small because people were just like smaller back then. You know. It's like everything's more petite, Like the beds are petite, the doorways and stuff. Um, So I love it. But yeah, actually I don't. I can't remember if I've said this on here, but we just

filment back when he was more famous. He like spent the night they're doing a story, uh as a reporter, and he said he saw like a woman crawl up the wall and he was like, I'm never never again. Oh my gosh, you should do it, if you know. I was so for BuzzFeed multiplayer, we're going to do a video where we try and stream a scary game in the Queen Mary, which is haunted, and like they

had the room set up and all that. But due to like do to paperwork, like we yeah you know, yeah yeah, the producing side of things like you know, location releases and all that, we couldn't get get it done. So everyone's like, oh dang, And I was like, yeah, oh damn, I was. I hated it. It was so like we're in the room and even with the lights on, like there was this locked door, like it was like it went no one would mention it, and I was like,

what's up with this? And no one talked about And I was like, see this is a problem, Like y'all got to explain everything in this room and I'm pointing to this locked door and nobody want to talk to me about it. But you're so much bigger than me. It's so funny that I like openly go into these faces. Well then that's the thing where it's like I wouldn't be afraid of fighting like a monster or two per cobra. But ghosts, you know, they don't you know, they don't

really hard to you. They harm you because they're terrifying just that they are there. But there's not too too many stories of them actually like picking up a knife and stabbing you or something like they do in scary movies. You can usually pick up on vibes to can you like believe in that sort of thing? Like I have three cats, so that's supposed to keep demons in that spirits the way I really do believe in that. So yeah, they're like royalty. Yeah yeah, Like historically I got the

segment tattoo right here. That's cool. If I was going to say, while we're still talking to geeking out about horror stuff, our friend Ali Gertz, remember she had like Halloween party or whatever, and somebody was like, I'll bring agi board like in the Facebook group, and I'm like, unless you want something, if I'm there, something will happen. Like I just a racked that open energy, and I'm like,

I don't, I don't. You're not gonna be like playing around if I'm there, Like something's gonna percent show up. Uh yeah, well, speaking of all that are what are you what are you speaking out about? Um? Recently, I've been watching The Hunters on Amazon, the al Pacino. It's you know, executive produced by Jordan and Pill but it's a really good one about uh Nazi hunters uh that I really loved. I actually did a review on it too that people can find on Rotten Tomatoes where it.

I love the fact that it mixes real history with you know, this kind of origin of superhero of uh, because we actually really did have like Nazi hunters back in the ninety seventies and one, and there's still some today, you know, in terms and um yeah, it's just great performance. It's really bloody. If you like the Boys on Amazon, then you like that. I didn't care for the Boys, but I like this. I like the Gore is this is similar, but I think the characterizations are a lot better.

And Alpacino it's a it's like his most Alpacino and um yeah, it's great ten episodes and it's good, good hearty um entertainment. Ye yeah, No, I'm super excited to check it out because I've been hearing like, you know, mixed sides where some people are like, oh man, I love it and some people are oh man, you know, and that I usually like, I feel like, you know, now, there's this weird thing of like everyone has to like

or hate something. But I the more enticing to me is because once again I'll go on this again, is UH is like if you dislike something, you need to be able to tell me why and go into detail instead of saying this thing sucks, because that isn't criticism, that's just being you're you're just that's nothing that gives me no information. So uh, that's that's what I like. Is I like watching things, even if I might not

not necessarily be the biggest fan of it. Is like, let me see why don't but I'm probably gonna like it. That's that's how I was with um, I can I cannot stand Hereditary came out. I couldn't stand. I loved it and I hate scary stuff. And then I actually went to go watch mid Summer and after that I was like, boo me once, shame on you, shame on me. I'm never coming to a theater to watch areos. This is so funny. I'm not doing that because I I saw it with you, right, I saw Midsummer or whatever.

I did not like it either. I did not enjoy it. It made me, but I was like he did. And they had us fill out a survey after arts two, and I felt so bad because I don't want to

give this. However, what for me? I was so uncomfortable, did not enjoy it like that element of it, and so I was like, you did your job if you made me feel any type of way, and then having no emotion, I'm like, you made me hate this movie and I was so uncomfortable and you did your job then if that's what you wanted, Like, you can't control people's reaction to it. So but it's so funny to hear that because so many people were in love with it and I can't. You did your job, well, you

made me feel well, that's the thing with Ari. And it's so interesting because I find that a lot of like horror ends typically are like, Okay, we get what you're doing, because like there's a formula and he kind of goes against it. And that's kind of what I like because it kind of spoon feeds me where he just does long, drawn out dread. It's not very jump scary. It's very slow paced and like and I just eat

it up. Did you um watch the problem with the the or it's the weird thing about the kid didn't sit through that? But I saw I was like nope, And but then when I saw I found out about that after I watched this stuff, and I was like, this makes perfect sense. This guy had such a bleak view of humanity. Yeah, there's just no hope. And I know it's weird as a horror fan to say that I actually enjoy hope and horror movies led to me.

I like, you know, when I dissect films, I look at story structure, right, I look at you know, is there a journey I can go on that I can you know, hope for something, whether it's for the monster or whether it's for the you know, protagonist. And I just felt like he just has these movies where it's just like there's no hope. What what is this like two hours of just feeling really uncomfortable. It's it's so funny because you know, I don't think it's a weird thing.

I think that's what makes horror enticing to a lot of horror fans. I think it's it's the it's for example, the movie because I just did um, Haley Mancini and George oz is uh Godzilla podcast and almost like, didn't god look them out during the reconstruction period in Entrepanels. I yes, because Godzilla is an allegory the devastation of the atomic bomb, and like that. I think that horror moves is that same way of like, yes on the outskirts.

It seems like this very scary movie, but at the heart of it, it's hope that no matter how scary things get, no matter what's going down, there's hope that you can survive, that you can outlast, you know, the horrors of the world around you. And are kind of just takes that and goes, no, everything's bad. Yeah, I don't know if I want to keepetting my money. I understand. I did it because I had a similar situation with a video game. I forget what video game it was.

I'm gonna find out in we're talking, but it was this video game where the premise the premises the world the apocalypse happened, the world ended, there's not that many humans left, We're not going to survive save what's left. And I was like, well, this it seems like I already lost, like an existential crisis. Yeah. I just like after the intro, was like, I kind of don't want

to feel like the bad guys already wanted. Yeah. Well, speaking of horror scary movie, would you say that there's Well, first, what was everyone's favorite memory from this film? I remember as a kid watching this, you know when because this came out in two thousands, so now I wouldn't I wasn't a kid. I was like a teenager and this hit right at the age I needed it to hit.

And you know, like it was like it was that goofy funny and you know, going back and watch there are some things that just definitely do not hold up, but in a way like it's it's like it kind of like is still trying to be like funny. You know. I feel like there's some stuff when people will do like off color jokes where you can tell is just being malicious and like making fun of where more it's like, no, we're just having fun and this is just all silly.

And like the references to all the movies like picking up on that was great. I said this before we record it is I've also recently rewatched Screaming the Matrix, so like I was able to kind of pick up on those things, especially like they really did like knock it out the park Um and I have to say, it is ambitious to uh to do a parody of Scared of Scream when scream itself is almost a parody.

It's a parody of slasher films, so like it's this should not work, but because they play with it, they're like, Okay, what if we take this and make it more slapsticky, make it more you know, fart jokey, and it works the literal most part. Job penis. I'm like a lot of that by men, just like remember when they were teens wanting to get laid constantly. Um so yeah, so if he is right, it's twenty years old, it's and a lot of it does hold up, which is is uh to me. They were the first ones to really

make these parody films stick. Um. And that is the Waynes Brothers. It's Keenan Ivory Waynes, and it was writers Marlon and Sean and then they had collaborators Phil Bowman and Aaron Seltzer. Definitely felt very guy heavy with all the jocks. Oh, I think we can just slowly make our way to this movie because the thing I do like about the movie is it is so perfectly early

odds it from the outfits to the re princes. I mean, so we have the opening scene that matches, it matches, it's matching the opening scene of screen and um, I didn't get the name of that. I remember back then, I knew who the Carmen Electra. Yeah, that was Carmen elect Gosh, why didn't I notice that was Karmen Electra.

It was funny too because they were talking about her in Dennis Rodman Yes, and then they made a Prince joke, which was, Yeah, it really kind of needed to have her as that because so many of the jokes that play were based off of her whole thing, like running through the sprinklers and then that whole because she was supposed to be like the next Pamela Anderson when all that came out, and just what she said about Prince about my boyfriend, I just screwed him. Yeah, that was that.

That whole opening scene was funny, but it also like sets the tone for the movie in such a great way because it's funny, but it it also is like that scary movie violence, like even the gag of like stabbing her boob and and silicone coming out, which like also that's like it's there's a level of like like not taking yourself seriously to allow that happen in a

movie and like play along with it. That. I got to give props to Carbon Electra two because I feel like, you know, people can be very guarding of their image, and she's like, no, we're gonna make fun of myself and my relationships. But it was um, but then it was also still very violent, and then you're like, oh man, this is pretty violent. And then she gets ran over by her parents, who are who are you know doing a little drive action. So it's like perfectly gets you

ready for the movie that you're about to see. Well, I was gonna say, speaking and making fun of yourself. This was on a Ferris breakout role how she became known and I was watching this and I was like, I would have been, So she was in her early twenties, like so insecure about so many of these jokes. Like it was it was also peak, like you said, it was peaked, TRL peak like Brittany, Christina, Jessica whatever, all of those which you kind of looked like a a

elaboration of all of them put together. Um, but even the jokes of her like having Harry boobs or like, there were so many jokes like that where even in the second one to where I was like, man, that's so funny. You just don't really see actresses being willing to do that. Yeah, uh, and she definitely was. So she also like just her comedy chops were the fact that she hadn't really been acting for at least in

anything major. I was super impressed with. Yeah, she didn't even have an agent when she she said in interviews, like it was she didn't even think she had a

head shot. Yeah, that's so wild, I mean, and also like, you know, I can't we can't get in a scary movie without me play paying respects to the the parody movies that preceded it that made it, which was my favorite, Don't Be a Menace to South Central while Drinking Juice in the Hood, which Keen and Ivory Waynes produced that he was an actor director in Scary Movie, but he produced that, and then even before that, he was a writer and director of I'm Going Get You, Sucker, which one,

Oh my gosh, I always think about that, like it's like a whole movie can be made on the bit of the like pimp being released and yeah, in this age that has passed him up. I'm like, that's a movie, Like that's a draw, Like I would love to see that drama of a pimp being reintroduced to the world. And they like, no, pimps aren't cool anymore and they're making fun of him. Oh yeah, so so the so parody isn't new to Keenan Ivory Wayne. So like if

anyone was gonna do it, it definitely was him. Uh. And of course, uh, since Keenan Ivory Waynes had a job, so did the rest of his family. Yeah. I love I love that model. So yeah, so then we go from the murder to you we open up. We were introduced kind of to our main cast as um, you already said Anna Faris, and then we also had um Regina Hall. But who was the the girlfriend that who was spoofy the American pie Buffy? Yeah, Buffy? What was her?

What's the actress who played Buffy? Actress Shannon Elizabeth. Yeah, so Shannon Elizabeth is playing Buffy. Anna Faris playing Sydney. And Regina Hall. What was the name of her character? Oh my god, Oh my god, Brenda Brenda. Yes, because the Brandon Brenda, which honestly just these two Regina Hall and an affairs. I want to I need them to do another movie together because I remember, like, not only in this movie do they kill it, but in Scary

movie too, they kill it and just there. The way they play together and then on their own is like comedy super team. I'm so glad that they brought Regina Hall back for two at three. Okay, so the actor that played Greg who's been he's been in like a couple of other things to he always plays the same, like the kind of dick. I just was like, this man looks like he's in his late thirties. And I loved it because it was actually and um I think

Regina to she was like thirty I think at the time. Yeah, I just love the fact that that is so on part because when you would see like Freddie Prince Jr. He would be like twenty seven playing a fifteen year old. I made all of us insecure, I think growing up because he thought we were supposed to look like people we were like fifteen or something and they were all like twenty five. And actually make that joke in the

movie like oh they'll get like Jennifer Love huge tits. Yeah, and like people who are twenty five playing then and they're all joking because they're approaching thirty. That's so yeah, that was so funny. Uh So they they're they're all kind of sitting around chopping it up and and so then we get to one of the one of my

first big laugh moments. This is one of the scenes that I would just rewind over and over, which is all the different news reporting on the killing, and we get to black black news and it was funny because it's is tackling because this was still when that trope was live that you know, black people were killed first and scary movies, so they they just kind of nodded to that, got out and just was in. Then we kind of get to be not too I know what you did last summer, and we'll get into those details

right after this break and we're back. How are you doing? Welcome back to nerdifficent Um. Your host if you wide away. Across from me is Daddy Fernandez and our wonderful guests, Johncey, how you doing. I'm good, You're doing a good job so far. We have our guests place. This is something that we we mentioned every couple of months is that we're on the comedy side of the network, so we're not all facts and uh yeah, yeah, we kind of I can't say the word that I want to say.

We kind of talk around, kind of dock around. We messed around, We messed around. We like to have fun here. We're talking about fun properties as in scary movie. So if you were getting into the I Know What You Did Last Summer, which honestly, it's kind of funny with those two franchises, the Scream franchise and the I Know What You Did Last Summer franchise was just like two teen high schools like battling each other at the time.

You know, it was like the Freddie Prince Junior, Sarah Michelle Giller, and then you had um, um crap boy, am I blanking on her name? Who's Nev Campbell? Yeah? Um? And then Matthew Lillard and that whole you know, ended up doing Scooby Doo and then and then that's in the same universe. See, you had Freddie Prince Junior and Matthew Lillard and Michelle Dillard came back together. I don't know why I was doing scissors, um so yeah, So

I loved that. There were other things that they spoofed in here, though, like a lot of pop culture things that weren't just horror related. Yeah. Yeah, we had Matrix pop up in there. We had American pie American Pie. Yeah, there were. There's usual Suspects. My favorite part, one of my favorite ports because I love that, you know, um, this movie twists. I think we always think of, like you know, the sixth sense. We think of, uh, you know, Planet of the Apes. We don't talk about the cool

twist of usual Suspects. They're like, oh, I can't walk, just kid, and I can and I'm cool as hit. Like that is to me. It's so cool and I love that they like truly did it and like there was no joke to it. It's just like, no, that we're doing this because it's like one of the coolest moments.

And I think movie twists. But so, speaking of those pop culture moments, Roger Ebert actually said he remarked in his review that to quote to get your money's worth, you would need to be familiar with the various teenage horror franchises. I mean, I guess so you don't think that you would have to have watched I mean it's funnier.

You know they're making fun of it, but you can just tell they're actually you can just tell they're making fun of the dumb girl trope like in a lot of it, like there's a scene with carminal Lecture that we didn't talk about where like she has the gun, the grenade, the blobble and she grabs a banana, you know, and it's just like stuff like that where you always are screaming in the movie, like why are you going upstairs?

Why are you going upstairs? You know, And so it's just kind of like I think horror movies in general, which is like what if he was saying that scream was already kind of making fun of those. Yeah, I think it also played on I mean not just the horror pictures, but also just like we were saying, like pop culture in general, like the fact that with Karma Karmen Electra, she had to be that the main person in the beginning because there were just so much of

her and the news of that in that area. So it just made sense she was relevant and even if you didn't know horror, you knew things about her and Prince and Dennis Rodman and and just her being in

Playboy and stuff. So I thought it was one of those things where it used horror and kind of not even like to subverted, but like just what horror the horror genre can be, which is a reflection at times of twisted reflection of society in general, and so I feel like there was some sort of like meta but also comedy throwing into that because the Wayne's brother is particularly keenan. They're just so like well first in that sort of way that they go about their comedy. He's

just so smart. Oh yeah, he's definitely smart and ahead of his time, and a lot of his movies will show you that. But I think you made a good point is you know, a lot of people, to go back on our horror theory, which we went off on earway in the episode. A lot of what makes horror work is taking uh you know, things that that we are actually fearing and growing. The reason Exorcist was as big as it was was that was back when people were afraid of demons possessing people and you know, Chainsaw

massacre based off of actual murders and nineties. This time of time, there wasn't you know that many like horror style phobias, which is why you had so many slashes, because that's kind of like an easy go to. Everyone is afraid of getting stabbed no matter what's going on in the world. So it was I think it is like to think of like that formula for a horror movie,

it's a parody. Is a no brainer because if you're doing references, now you can reference you know, the things we are scared of and you know, movies and stuff and the like. And also that's my theory as to why I think Midsomar was so popular because with all these firefests and your and your like Coachella's like you can, I think a lot of people, like people were able to put themselves in the shoes. Was like, yeah, I'd go off to uh, you know, nowhere a place to

like see this cool festival. Oh no, but it goes it goes wrong. And I think women Summer Too just played on the ignorance of of other cultures, treating other

cultures as the other. And I thought, of course it was a safe bet that they made that culture white, but it could have been any other and it was playing into this whole newness like they worship their trees like you know, like things like that was that was the beauty of it, which I'm glad, like, Yeah, if you're going to do the culture is scary and kills people, you go ahead and make it away and I think that's what Scary Movie was playing onto, like where we

were in pop culture where things where people were coming parodies of themselves almost. I mean that's kind of how it is now too, but it was like, you know, playing on that path that we were going on. Yeah, some of the other pop culture things referenced The Titanic, which is so funny seeing that to Dawson's Creek up in the beginning. I love when they could get actual cameos by people. Um, the Budweiser was as that one.

Oh my gosh, so it's time. A nice little thing I noticed rewatching it is that the beer that he has says killer love it. I loved that they changed the Killer's mask. I think that they had to probably for a certain point. It's just for a copyright or whatever like, so the mask wasn't exact one from Scary move from Scream. Yeah, but then I loved how period ghost face periodically, like as he got high it would change,

and like when he was scared he would it would change. Um. And then also The Blair, which was the other scary movie that they referenced as well, when she runs into the woods Gail's Storm, Gail hail store storm and my brothers and I used to always quote Officer Doofy reporting for duty. You would always quote that and then him

like him with a vacuum. I can't like that. Well, also, like here's a here's a funny thing that I noticed they were really good at still, because I find that when people are doing comedy and parodies, they typically in a reason why a lot of these don't work is they don't treat it as a real movie where you have to leave bread crumbs and do this, and they truly did because the slightest bread crumb is if you pay attention to Doofi's underwear, they make his his um

uh his uh, his his member. I guess we'll say to keep it clean long enough so that the scene, right, yeah, if you look at the size of his downstairs, it's long enough so that he would be able to do that scene. I was like, huh, that's a nice little note because I was thinking, I was like, why would it Why were like I was like, this seems like such a like subtle joke to make him like well endowed. And then that scene came and I was like, oh my gosh, they just left that like unnecessary bread come

of like yet no, he'd be able to do that. Yeah, there was a plot I think that was like, you know, sometimes you have those parody movie movies sometimes it feels like there's just a whole bunch of skits thrown in and some of the it or once We're kind of similar to that where it seemed like maybe they weren't

as connected and conclusive. But this first movie, it really told a story like there was actually like there was some you know, one offs here and there, but it still played into the characters and what they were going through. So you actually were trying to figure out who is the killer and the twist that happened, you're like, oh, that is a twist, you know, it wasn't It was actually a plot, which is great. It makes it, you know, even better. Yeah. So the tagline for the movie's poster

was no shame, no mercy, no sequel. And then when Scary Movie two was released a year later, that was something that was so fascinating to me. This came out in two thousand and they were able to shoot an entire other movie in a year and release that and the Scary Movie two came out in two thousand and one. Um. The tagline for that was we lied, which I love,

also love that just wasn't addressed. Um. And we can hop into this when we moved in a scary movie two that they all died and then just like they were back just fine. Um it for some of the some of the male characters that I didn't care if they like killed off. I think one thing we definitely need to mention about the movie is that it was very successful. Like it did well. It was a hit.

I mean, all the kids, everyone I knew was referencing it top to bottom, and it was it was like very vindicating for Keen and Ivory Waynes, who was forced to leave in Living Color by Fox who produced the show. Uh, and they decided to recut and air skits at random, and it brought down the resell value of the show which would have gone to keenan So they really did

do that thing where they screwed over the creator. Oh and you could tell a d percent that he had his hands on this, him and his brothers, Like there was no way, in my opinion, that this movie would have come out the same if a white person had written it. It was just so many jokes talking about that, like exactly what we said about like what happens to black people in scary movies? And even just like so many of the pop culture references. UM. So I'm glad

that it it has survived this like twenty years. I did want to say. The original title of Scary Movie was scream if you know what I did last Halloween. Uh, and they might have just gotten flagged by legal um and so they changed it to Scary Movie. It has on the Tomato Meter, a current score, an audience score. On Metacritic, it has a B minus. I also think it depends on who's reviewing it. Yeah, I mean definitely.

This is one of those films where there's this specific style of comedy was going for and some people just aren't for aren't for against it, which is why, like I always will stand on that belief of like even if, like I think a great review on Rotten Tomato is fifty if if if if half people liked it, half didn't, I want to see it. I love, for example, one of the examples, I will always stand by his mother. A lot of people do not like it. I loved mother, and I think you should see it. To see how

you feel about mother. Um, if you're not squeamish, there's a lot that goes on. Yeah, but yeah, so and I think of this especially. This was like in the nineties. There was this nineties time. I remember I used to for some reason torture myself and watch Ebert like give bad reviews to comedies and like scream at the television because I disagreed. Um. It's like it was like Twitter, except I didn't get to bug him. Uh, you know

what a beautiful time that was critics. I used to actually stay out late um on and on the East Coast and watch um, Roger Ebert at the movies and whatnot.

I came on like right after the eleven o'clock news because he was like, it's kind of he was very much my inspiration for getting into film and TV cript after I graduated uh college, And it was one of those things where when I first started, I would look at older movies and then see what he said, and if they lined up, I'm like, I'm on the right track.

But of course he got it wrong. But one of the things I always take when it comes to looking at film like he did was that he tried to look at what it was trying to achieve and who it was for, you know, like he want to compare like Oscar bait movie to you know, the run of the Mill, like uh, comedy necessarily, and I think that's the same thing with scary movie. It was trying to achieve a parody and playing on that, and I think it achieved that. Like above and beyond, m smart, smart,

smart critics brain right there. I like it, I wanted to say, because we had talked about Anna Farris, and um, this is Keenan said, the biggest surprise was on it. It wasn't really a surprise, it was a gift, he said. I had seen everybody and I kept saying no, to the point that the casting people were getting pissed. But

I was looking for someone specific. I remember the casting person saying I read a girl that I think is right, but she's never done anything before, and I was like, size, yeah, okay, see I love that though. And her co star John Abrams, who played Bobby uh It said quote, Anna was just amazing. I mean, to come in that green and to have that kind of comedic timing was bananas, which I agree. And of course everybody I was talking to my trainer about this this morning. He was like, man, that scene

where she's doing it with him. I'm like, yes, we all remember the end of that scene. I think when I think of this movie, that's like the first thing that comes to the mine. Yeah, the first thing that comes to mind. Very guy. It's very like Jackass like pretash point, oh, very much like in that same you know, American pie vibe. Uh. And then one other thing that I wanted to bring up before we move on to

Scary Movie Too is Regina Hall. So she I mean, yeah, her her movie theater scene is so funny to me, Like, I just love that. So she said when she was getting Brenda, when she was getting that roll down, she says, quote, I just remember watching Jada Pinkett Smith's scene and scream to trying to get how she collapsed when she dies in front of the audience. She said, I literally tried to die like Jada. Shechem that it was definitely she gave the last screen, which unfortunately I did laugh in

the original, which yea. So it was like that it was so extra and I was like, that's great that Jada did it and Regina did it too. I know, Yeah, that there's so many scenes like that where they get to recreate it and just have fun with it, and I truly just enjoyed it, Like that scene, the scene where she's doing the her talent for the beauty pageant and it and she's like screaming and everyone's like, oh,

that's good, that's good. Like it's just so like so fun because you just kind of remember those scenes and it is like when you're watching the scene, you have that suspension of disbelief in these movies and you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But when someone gets to be like, okay, but that was kind of silly, right, and you feel kind of vindicated and get to laugh at it. It really did like capitalize on that. Joel are amazing producer and researcher, actually did make a list of all of the UM

pop culture. So these are ones that I haven't mentioned yet, which is we talked about The Exorcist, but just yeah, that was in this one obviously, the second one becauseam which Carmen Electra mentions UM Election, the Shining Shakespeare in Love which was playing in the theater UM, Thelma and Louise, The Fugitive, Schindler's List, Boogie Nights Big Mama's House. Those are actually Brenda. When she's killed in the theater, she's killed by piste off movie goers, and she's like ruined

all those movies for them. Here's my favorite thing, though, is because it's it's a misdirect joke, because everyone is like, it's it's a it's a movie that like relates to them, like there was a monk who was like film yes, and then it's a it's a pope who's like Big Mama's House. Uh goodness gracious, that one made me laugh

because it was so ridiculous. U. Plus, I love a misdirect. Um. The sixth Cents, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, we said, the Matrix, you said, the Usual Suspects and Halloween, so I think we got all of them. Yeah that was all yeah, so fun. And I like that Marlon Waynes ends up dying even though he was a friend of the killer. Um that's because we did that screen us. Yeah that screen bit. I didn't realize back when I first watched it how they truly did mock the beats, like down

to the dad being brought into it. Yeah, it just makes you realize how like smart of a parody of this movie is even when he's doing UM and then during the credit scene where he's at the convenience store and he's like, now, this just like in the show, but in that one he's actually been making a grab and dash convenience store. So you think he's talking about how to survive a scary movie. It's like how to

survive robbing somebody. We have scary movie too, which you know, I actually still liked it was you know, they did have a uh a second run UM because then who was the guy who played the small hand man. That's Chris Elliott. Oh my god, and he is so I literally wrote down and I put he is gross in like every role because he was also in UM, and uh there's something about Mary which he had like all

the hives and stuff. And then uh, in Ship's Creek he's great, he plays the mayor, but he's also gross in Ship's Creek and it's just funny that he has like he plays that character so well. Yea, UM, but yeah, it was that was right when you're coming into scary movie too. They're obviously parodying The Exorcist. We had Andy Richter James Woods, who I was like, uh, Tim Curry. Yeah. Tim Curry was so great. Like I just I had

the biggest crush on Tim Curry in Clue. And I love the fact that they took someone who's kind of who's been in this world, you know, being an it and like you got to play a part in like spoofing, helping to spoof this. My when you said that your scary movie when you were little was Nightmare on Elm Street. Mine was House on Haunted Hill. It was the remake one because that's like what they would show. I think my parents had like Stars or HBO or something, and

that's what they would show. And that was also kind of like the vibe here with like getting them all to come to this mansion and spend the night. Um. But yeah, I love that he was in it. We also had David Cross. Yeah. It was super funny. Um. And of course On Affairs came back, Regina Hall came back. They replaced Buffy yeah, and the and then they had one of the Masterson's, yeah, the brother. Also you know

you could tell his way back because James Woods. Yeah, that's what I was said, yeah, And I was like, uh, sorry, I thought you were saying that in the when you said Chris Elliott, but you said James Wood. I was like, why are you being so mean? And Chris Ellie, Okay, I just miss her. I know this is when he was cool, back when he was Hades. Yeah in Hercules. Yeah. You know what's so crazy is that I read that and I kind of mourned the fact that he wasn't

able to do it. But Marlon Brando was actually supposed to play the part that James would did. He was in his twilight of course, and like so he wanted to do it though, but by that time he was getting fed when he was always getting fed his line in some regards, once he got kind of older, he's getting fed his lines. He was on an oxygen matth and he was trying to push through. They just said we can't. We gotta let this go, like we can't put it. But I would have, really, I would have

loved that had Marlon Brando, yeah, played that part. I just and I was like, jas would but because it would have been so great had Marlon Brando played that. And we have to talk about the Exorcist girl. Do you know who that is? If he that Russian doll and Natasha Leone. What oh man, that is a woman after my own heart. Yeah, it was like I love a boss, I love red hair. Well, she was in American Pie, she was in some of the right. Yeah, she was in some of these um movies that they're parodying.

It's just so funny thinking of her and also a Gina Hall that they've been like working actors for like twenty plus years, like successfully, That to me is also wild. One thing that I wanted to point out pop culture wise, is they all of a sudden in the middle of the movie and you could tell. I was like, oh, this is so of this time they stopped to like parody the Nike out. That's that's actually one of my favorite really, it's like, that's why I remember this. Oh

my god, this conversion. If you don't know what we're talking about, we'll put it in like the footnotes. But if you're you know, older than Niffy and I and don't remember this, if you google Nike basketball ad is the first thing that comes up on YouTube still to this day, kind of twenty years later. Um, what about you? If he what points like stood out for you? Oh? Well, the point that's still solid is just when the person is falling and uh, grab my head is like use

the with him with the food. I mean, I forget that. See my brothers and I used to do that to each other. Yeah, yeah, it's so funny to like my jams. Yeah, my jams. It was such a long gag too. And that was the thing. I think that's what really made a hit so hard is that it went so long with how he did the turkey, how he didn't. I was like that scene was like one of probably one of the longest scenes in that sequel, and it just

was so funny. Yeah, that was the that was That's the thing, is like you really do like a slow burn of a joke where it's like you're just seeing it and you're just getting everyone's reaction, and then he messes it up so great. Uh. I would be remiss without pointing out Tori Spelling. And it was funny that she was in this and she's also a teen queen. Was a teen queen, um, and I love the takes.

So they were copying Poulter Guys. Well, they copied Poulter Guist in many things, but um, the scene with Poulter guyst with the mom being pulled up like the wall in her panties, but her like actually enjoying it and wanting to lock this guy down and him piecing out I thought was really funny. Um, the clown is also from Poulter guyst that whole scene. So they had Amityville Horror.

We obviously mentioned the Exorcist, the Haunting, which I remember from the nineties, Um, Changeling, hollow Man, Hannibal, the Legend of hell House, and like I said, House on Haunted Hill. Um. So for this, the budget was forty million. It grossed one one point two million worldwide. The consensus, unfortunately on Rotten to Itatos is quote a sloppy, rushed out product.

It was fascinating watching these compared to the originals because I was like, oh, they got to cut the budget by like just the filming was so different that I was like, it's really great that they were able to, especially with the first one, Like makes so much money

on something that is so low budget. Yeah, Well, it's It's funny because if you ask the Wayne brothers, they actually admit that it was rushed to, Like interviews afterwards, you know, they're just kind of like, well, they wanted, you know, things like they wanted a sequel, we weren't even supposed to have one, and they wanted it quick, and they pretty much they felt like they didn't have enough time to put together like a really you know,

a cohesist. And you notice it too because in the sequel, I mean, it just feels a little smaller too, I guess because in the first one they were in the town, you had all these different characters popping in and out, and then this one they kind of secluded them in a house, which is of course the haunted house kind of trope, which is probably why it's not my favorite subgenre of horror, because I like it when it's a

little bit larger light. But um, you could tell, like I felt like in the first one it was a bit more like cohesive with the plot but also really playing on all types of things, and I felt like

this one was a little bit more slapstick. You know, there are a lot more gags in this well, yeah, like that was the thing kind of seeing them both is the first one obviously is like this kind of almost love letter to these horror films and really trying to create this plot around the idea of a parody, and this one really seemed like I was like, we're just gonna try and be funny, Like we're gonna be funny. It's you know, we've done the the artful love letter.

Now how many funny gags can we fit in? And references and we start to like lean back into almost getting into scary um like parody territory where it's not as good. And I think three is where it leans back even more. And then after three, so we talk about the ones that I don't don't Yes, so there were four seat goals. I forgot to mention that the first Scary Movie had a nineteen million dollar budget and gross two eight million, so they had a really good return.

And another thing I forgot to mention is that On Affairs is not even on the cover because again she wasn't seen as a star. Uh so I had the Wayne's Brothers that had has Shannon, Elizabeth, Carmen, Electra and then the guy who played like a fourty year old. We have to take a really quick break and then we're gonna hop into the future of scary movie right after this and we're back. Welcome back. Everyone still talking

about the Scary Movie franchise. Yeah, so you know, we talked about scary movie to three, we can kind of glance through because, like I said, as as we go forward down the scary movies, they get, um they get less scary. Yeah. Well, it's so interesting because you know, I'm on Keenan Ivory. Wayne's looking at his like producing writing credits and like it stops after two. So we should have mentioned that he for the first one was the highest. He had the highest opening weekend for a

black director. Yeah, making history, Yeah, groundbreak. I mean I I, of course, obviously as a writer and actor, I have so many deep thoughts on black movie theories. And it's literally how I was able to There was a podcast called um what is it called the Fantasy Flicks League that they doubted me and then I was right, which was they asked me to guess the opening weekend for um US and I guessed I believe it was either uh forty or fifty million, and they're like, what for

horror and all this. I was like, well, look, you got the guaranteed twenty for a black movie. You bump it up to thirty because it's a good black movie, and you get the other twenty for the other people who actually want to see a black director, and what does that's fifty fifty mill And let me see what what did us opening weekend? Box office got opening they had seventy one million, so so they well over my guests.

But I just knew he got the guaranteed. So anyway, just to truncate this whole segment is I put a lot of thought into, um, just that theory, and I like that he made history. Uh but yeah, after that Scary Movie three, he's not there. He went on to make another banger, which I haven't I haven't rewatched, but I probably should. White Chicks, Yeah, Little Man, which people

didn't like, but I actually kind of liked it. Um. And then uh so so Scary Movie three, Well, okay, so Scary Movie three and four were both directed by David zucker So. He is the director and writer of Airplane Film. He also was the creator of the Naked Gun franchise. Is so he definitely lives in parody world. Yeah, but to revisit kind of um, something that was said earlier.

When the Fox decided to stop uh Living Color and recut and release it, one of Keenan was quoted as saying that there was it was it didn't work because it was an African American product made for African Americans and you had these like white guys trying to figure that out and that they lost that, which is why it did worse. I do believe the Scary Movie franchise is for everyone, but at its core it had black creators, and you I think as a creator, you put yourself

in it. Yeah, and so when you have that at your foundation, that that flavor is going to be looked for in subsequent movies. And you know, this director is the goat, Airplane Goat, naked gun Goat, but you you don't have the flavor, you know, like, I'm not gonna expect you know, uh, even Scorsese himself to be able to do a reboot of Uh, Don't be a Medicine

South Central and it be good. You know. That's why it's so funny to see, Uh, not to sound like a snob, but it's so funny to see like directors who are popping now and people go, oh, he should direct this, he should go direct like so many people are like Taka wat t teachers addressed. I was like, no, takeo. Watt is an amazing director. But there are certain things that he crushes at, and that's what he should direct.

We shouldn't, yeah, exactly, because everyone has a style. It's just like music, like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna want to listen to Savage do at Tayman Paula song and yeah almost fellow in my chair. But you're so right. How did you say something so controversial? Ye's so right? But yeah, so uh And I think that's why it kind of like fell off, is it? It's moving forward with an amazing you know, parody artist, but it's it

lost the flavor. But three still was the last one I did in Enjoy because you had Anthony Anderson in there and he was actually showed up. Yeah early early heart Yeah like before he's in his bag. He's in his bag now. But Anthony Anderson and he had um those bad dreads because they were making fun of McKay fiber's dreads. Yeah, it was so good. Um uh. In in an Affairs is still in this one too, and Regina Hall, which is also because I think it's for

they're not in it, right, she's in it. I think the fifth one is the one where no one from the Origina, which makes the most sense. Yeah, I'm not going to see this. I had read that they had actually asked the Wayne brothers to come back for the fifth one, but they turned them down, which makes sense. I mean, they don't have to do you know. It's one of those things. It's like an artist thing, right, It's like what you decided to go ahead with three and four without us, and now you want us to

come back to you. Yeah, but this one is making fun of the Ring Signs Matrix Reloaded and eight Mile, so already you know, it's it's interesting because it's it's following the Ring plot, which once again, this could probably be a great movie if they just honestly followed, like in the same way in the first one where they create their own plot that surrounds that kind of surrounds

this parallel world of it. But it really is like attacking it, for lack of a better word, word of just like we're gonna make fun of it and not we're gonna essentially honor it. Yeah, real life people they had in this, Simon cow Eminem, Michael Jackson, and Pamela Anderson, so they were still pulling yeah people, Oh yeah, because I think it was still still you know, like still popping. I went and saw it. Scary Movie four came out

in two thousand and six. I will just say I wanted to point out um one of the writers on both of those three and four was Craig Mazin, who does Chernobyl on HBO. So to me, it's really funny go anytime. It reminds me of the Russo Brothers, who did one of my favorite movies that I watched just because it's dumb. Is you mean dupri and they did that, And so I always think it's funny when you go on to do something like huge, but like you look back at your stuff and it was like, oh, you

wrote a scary movie three and four? Okay, okay, sir, okay. So and then there was five mm actually kids that was in five really okay. I haven't seen it still. I did not watch it for this podcast. Yeah you're like, I won't put myself through that. Nope, nope. So but but now we're we have some rumblings Lantern Entertainment is thinking of rebooting the Scary Movie franchise. According to the

geek Nerd Nation. Uh So, my only advice to Lantern Entertainment is like kind of know what made one great, you know, like I wouldn't naturally be like, you gotta get the Waynes brothers, but honestly, I don't. I think you can do it without them, And I think they're past this, they don't want to revisit this, but just really just knowing what although Marlin did a haunted house, oh that's true. So I don't know. I think he's

still in. I think he's still down. Yeah that you can also watch all not all of these, but you can watch that on on Netflix. And I watched one and two last night on Netflix. Um, sorry to me to cut you off, but yeah, so I think they might actually be That would be nice. It would be a nice touch, even if it is just like if they're doing a whole franchise to pass the torch, just

have it off. I think it's a right time for it too, though we've seen I mean, there's the whole bit of like elevated quote unquote elevated horror and what that means, and you just had a resurgence of the horror genre for one, but also just kind of getting into the mainstream of you know us and of course get Out and Hereditary and Midsummer others and other films

around that. So I think it would be it would be interesting to see how they parodied I mean, the whole conjuring universe right for oh man, I just you saying that just made it makes sense in my head. Is if they just kind of do attack like the elevate the idea of an elevated or like. I think that though they could, because you know, the scary movies they made fun of, like the teen genre too, so I think this one could make fun of the superhero genre.

I think that people have been waiting to do that. Uh so I feel like that could also be like just a lot of the tropes that we still see you with them. Um yeah, all right, Well wasn't there a Superhero parody? Oh yeah, Superhero movie? But I mean that was technically done way too early. Here's the thing. Yeah, so I mean something that people will actually watch, okay,

because I don't know if anyone saw. Yeah, let's say Superhero movie that was also two eight done by Craig too, because we've had so many superhero Superhero movies were different back then, so I feel like they were almost parodying different, like different, they're not paring the Marvel and d C of today, So but they should. Gosh. I love that they did it in the style of the scary movie like seeing where they're all in the movie seats and everyone's like, oh man, well I think we have to

wrap up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chauncey. Where can people find you? Um well? A lot of all of my um film and TV criticisms can be found around Tomatoes, also the international publication People's World, and also on my YouTube channel Twist and woman c KR Dope. I wanted to say give a shout out to some of the sources that

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