116: Pixar

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of Disney. It is Sabina Graves. Hey, everyone, thanks for calling me the Queen of Disney like that. There many There should be more Disney queens have um speaking of who is your favorite Disney Princess, Sabina, it's Bell that yeah you are. We're in goll right now. One of my favorite things about her for the Disney Princess panel I did last year that um Pedro Haara, who's a voice of Bell, was on and that she was talking about it was like this woman who was like, no,

I don't want to marry you. I just want to read my books, like get out of here. Like it was so funny to have this princess that was like actively turning down, you know, not to not to go after Ariel who I adore, but was chasing after a prince, but um for her to be she was captured. She felt, you know, Belle was captured and eventually fell in love but to have this suitor and her be like, nah, I'm I'm good, I'm not going to be your wife,

like l O L to that. I like how it takes a look at a toxic masculinity and I think, you know, the beast grows out of it. And then Gaston does not, even though he's seen as like you know, the town hero and stuff like that, and spoiler spoilers, spoiler, he has a bit it's like twenty something Plussier spoiler alert. But yeah, today we are covering Pixar. I guess I'll just go, like, what is everyone's favorite Pixar movie before we I hop into it? What a what a good question?

I definitely say ahead. I was gonna say Sebina probably has one rage. I had like a tie between Wally and Coco, uh while he was my long time just

favorite Pixar film. You know, it's such a simple, like like simple story that is told through like you know, this space and um the commentary about like protecting our planet, but also just the beauty in um like the exploration of these emotion and through robots that you know, like robots don't have emotions, but you know, Whilely and Eve are so expressive and uh effective in uh, you know, seeing a future we don't want to have, but also

seeing the importance of what is worth fighting for in life. Yeah, that's yeah, it's so hard because they've done so many just refreshing I'd say, I'd say before I would have probably set the Toy Story series that probably would have been mine to Toy Story for I felt was really strong. But I think it I think you're right. I think it's coca Cocoa is just so there's just so much more flavor uh in that movie than than uh than

than in the other ones. And it and it's and I hope it's something they take note of because I mean, uh, you know, just in general, I think a lot of the like very I guess you would say, like legend esque movies are so eurocentric, you know your braves and even um you know, uh, what's the what's the one is that's not sorry because Pixar and Disney or so neck and neck that I get afraid of like confusing

the two. But yeah, for them, whenever they step out and like use like a cultural voice, it just makes it so much stronger. Ratitui with the French, you know, yeah, mine,

um are both of those. I would say Coco is so representative obviously of my heritage that it was so anytime, Honestly, anytime I feel bad as a creator, like my voice doesn't matter, I'm not doing enough for like I'm not supposed to be here, or anytime I'm just feeling really down, I'll watch it and be like hell, yeah, well through tears, then I'll go and want to write. But Toy Story, um was so groundbreaking at the time, like just to have that type of animation style and the humor it was.

It's really funny and something that I think adults enjoyed as well. It had a lot of adults like inside jokes that I wouldn't have gotten until I was older. So, um yeah, Mine's definitely both of those two. Nemo is great. I love how movies like Nemo and Toy Story informed our senses of humor. I would say in very many ways. You know, we like, uh, he touched the butt, you know.

So let's talk about the start of Pixar. Pixar Animation Studios is an American computer animation film studio based in Emeryville, California, and a part of the Walt Disney Studios group. The studio has earned twenties seven Academy Awards honestly thought it was more than that, but eight Golden Globes, three Grammy Awards,

along with many other awards and acknowledgements. It's best known for c g I animated feature films created with photo realistic render Man, its own implementation of the industry standard render Man image rendering application programming interface used to generate high quality images. So Pixar actually began back in nineteen seventy nine as the graphics group part of the computer division of Lucasfilm, before it was acquired by Apple Computer

co founder Steve Jobs in nineteen eight six. The Walt Disney Company bought Pixar in two thousand and six at a valuation of seven point four billion dollars. The transaction made Jobs the largest shareholder in Disney. A lot of big names in there, from it being with Lucasfilm to Steve Jobs, just people that were at the forefront also of this type of technology in film, definitely, and it's all these people who kind of knew each other coming up.

So because I know that last setter had left Disney when he had met up with Steve Jobs and it Captain Roll in the early days of Pixar and that they had set up to do some computer science stuff ended up doing, you know, more of commuter animation for commercials, and from there that kind of like snowballed into let's make some short films in this style, which led to Toy Story. And so now kind of like what you were saying, if he is at their neck and neck

what what um so Walt Disney Animation Studios is in Burbank, California. However, it's hard to tell the difference between the two because it used to be three D animation, right, and then the two D animation. So Toy Story was coming out when say they were still making Partisan the Frog or Pocahonas which was several years before, or Mulan, you know, they it was easy to differentiate between what was Pixar and what was Disney or Walt Disney animation. Um now,

Mowanna is Walt Disney Animation. Frozen is Walt Disney Animation. Ralph A lot of people will say, like, oh, your Pixar character, I'm not I'm not. Ralph is not Pixar, that's all. But it's very confusing now that they're using three D animation. I would I would have said, yeah,

I would have said that that was Pixar. That's why I had to catch myself when I was saying the Eurocentric because in my head, uh, frozen his Pixar, Because you're right, it used to be that Pixar did all the three D animation and then Walt Disney Animation did the two D and now it's just they just do what they do. It gets so confusing because there was a point in time where Disney separately was trying to do computer animation than Pixar, so they did Chicken Little

Meet the Robinson. To Meet the Robinson is actually one of my favorite movies. It's not Disney. It is Disney, but it has like the Pixar touch. They had some of the story trust from Pixar come in and try to kind of like, uh, fix that movie. Um, and I love it for all it's imperfections, honestly. Um. But it's based around one of my favorite Disney quotes, which just keep moving forward, and that I take that with me everywhere in my just like keep moving forward, keep

moving past things, working through it and stuff. Um. But yeah, So after those two films and then like Tangled and like Too Onward. Basically, I guess it's like now it's like there's it's just this big missimatch of like CG feels like Pixar, but it's some some of its Pixar, some of it's Disney. Um and uh yeah, I know for a while it was very eurocentric and uh I really like how with Onward, With Onward Pixar trying to

make a hero centric movie but with blue people. So you know, we all know Pixar is this like huge success and big you know, part of Disney history. But I mean at first, I think one of the first things is that it was they worked with Disney, but they kind of because now technically Disney owns it, right, but before it was like they were their own entity and they and you know it c G I isn't cheap and so uh so, like you know, they're the

first big con sept really, which was Toy Story. Uh was was was kind of just touch and go, like it wasn't the it was it wasn't like like we look back and we're like, oh, yeah, that's a smash hit of course, but getting it onto the screen was was a challenge. I mean, despite uh the total income from the projects before, they continue to lose money and jobs. And as the chairman of the board and now at the time of this full owner, uh, they like yes,

Steve Yes, Steve Jobs was considering selling it. Uh and as late as it was, they were still trying to figure out what they're gonna do. They're trying to sell it to like Hallmark, Uh to Microsoft co founder Paul Allen, or Oracle, which what is that world Oracle makes like Java that you that you use online and they do a lot of cloud servers now, but you know, what is the world in which they over Pixar or Hallmark? Wow, I mean they would make those movies a little bit better.

But yeah. But so it was only after learning that from the New York critics that Toy Story was probably going to be a hit and confirming uh that Disney was going to distribute it in the Christmas season, that they decided to give Pixar one more chance, and for the first time, uh, he was taking us. Jobs was taking active leadership in the company and made himself CEO, and Toy Story then went on a gross more than

three hundred and seventy three million worldwide. Uh. And that's when Pixar held its first initial public offering, which was in November twenty nine, and it exceeded Netscape. Uh. Y'all remember Netscape of the biggest I p O of the year, and only the first half hour of trading, Pixar stock shot up from twenty two dollars to forty five dollars. Man, if I could have no, I mean, I was a child, put money in back then delaying trading because of unmatched

by orders. Shares climbed up to forty nine dollars before closing at the day at thirty nine. Which, man, yeah, it's always funny because like, of course now you're thinking, man, I wish, But if you were like this animation studio that's kind of new, you're you probably like, no, I'm good. Yeah. One of the crazy things though, is that during this time, Steve Jobs pulled, you know, some of the main people at Pixar side and was like, you know, I make computers.

You that computer reaches your doorstep, it's good for three to five years. You have the potential to make things that will be um, you know, immortal, that will just go on and you know, open the hearts of like families over the world, and that's essentially what pis are ended up becoming. Yeah, so in the nineties and two thousands, they gradually developed the Pixar brain Trust, which if you're

a Disney person you've heard this quite a bit. I think actually before do you remember Sabina the short that they showed of this gosh what it was like before a movie maybe Finding Nemo. It was like they showed, um, some of the created the directors sitting around a table and they were talking about how they essentially at this one meeting came up with what would eventually be toy Story and um monsters E and do you remember that

I'll have to send up. Yeah, I don't exactly remember which one it was in front of, but I loved when like movie studios would do that like behind the scenes before the movie to kind of get you, like interested in like this is how we make things. Um. But yeah, I know, like the brain Trust was originally composed of the original filmmakers, you know, laster On Rich, Dr. Santon and Joe ramp who was their story supervisor. Um. But they basically all came together to you know, imagine

the house that Pixar would become. And I think that it's definitely like originated by some of those conversations they had early on with Steve Jobs about what they could do as filmmakers. We have to take a really quick break and then we're gonna hop back into more about Pixar right after this, and we are back, we are still talking about Pixar. And before mommy and Daddy got married, they had a bit of a feud together Disney and Pixar.

Oh they had been married, they had entanglement. Pixar Pier is in Disney's California Adventure at Disneyland across a little across the way from Disneyland, proper um, and it is filled. I was there before. I mean I was there before it was Pixar Pier. To be honest, um, I was there before California Adventure existed. But um um it is a great It has our favorite place to drink, which and I go we drink just go a drink fair and which is the Lamp Light, which is a restaurant.

It's okay. So here's the thing I'm explaining to Pixar fans who haven't been there, because it is really great. So it overlooks a Peer which has the Screaming the Incredible and Credit Coaster has formerly known as Screaming then Credit Coaster. Um. But it overlooks the water and the Mickey Ferris Wheel and they have it's just decked out in Pixar everything. So it has the toy story Ball sorry if that has an official name. I forgot the

Pixar pal around, but it still has the Mickey face. Um. But my favorite thing about lamp Light the actual places that it's all decked out and picks our stuff. Everything is Pixar. Like all the drinks, like for the adults, they have like monsters inc Like drinks. Yes, they have drinks that like cold drink drink alcohol that like they put something in it bubbles and you drink it and can get you drunk. Um. I just love it because it's my two favorite things. I sound like an alcoholic.

What I'm saying is I love being an adult and having the money to buy Pixar things like Disney things, but also having fun with my adult friends. Um. And so they have a ton of quotes and artwork, Like they have a lot of art Pixar art inside the restaurant. It's really just beautiful and I adore it. Um. But Pixar Pierre has a lot of the games, like Toy Story Games, Monsters Inc. Um they now have Coco stuff in there. They have an entire Coco mural actually there,

so it's uh, yeah, did I do it? Justice Sabina. So the Monsters Inc. Crede is actually separated from Pixar Pier, but that was there before Pixar p Here happened. Um. Yeah, and I love all the murals and yeah, the Lamplight Lounge is so much fun to go to with friends because we're having all these fun fizzy drinks that are like very you know, on brand for Pixar, but we're surrounded by you know, original art from the studios that is stuff from pre production. On the walls. They have

those quotes. They also have like the crew shirts that people get from working on the productions that are like way cooler than some of the stuff we have that I'm like looking at they have. They had at one point, I think a Coco shirt that was a Day of the Dead um skull but it was styled like Sid's shirt from Toy Story And yeah, that is so rad. When I need one. I need one of those in my life. I think one of my friends actually got

one from going to Pixar Um. But yeah, like and you're just like hanging out having drinks and having yeah yeah, watching it get built out was wild too, because yeah, I remember early the biggest Pixar kind of footprint that you had in California Screaming or California Adventure. Sorry was the Bugs Life. But then you had the things where

they did a full remodel. I think I was working I was working at Disneyland at the time, but they fully remodeled uh, California Adventure to look like um uh car the carthe Circle, And that's when they started to add in the Pixar Land. And one of the biggest kind of turnouts that came and probably is my favorite part of that is going to be the cars Land because the ride is like pretty pretty cool, but they like those cone the cone like chili. Yeah, yeah, it

is undefeated. Uh, probably my favorite. But yeah, that was the biggest thing is that, uh and you know y'all talking about the drink, but that was the biggest piece of trivia, is that that was the only place you can drink in Disneyland because the only in the two combined parts, because outside of that, the only place you can drink in Disneyland was Club thirty three. Um, I don't know if that's changed Disney Yeah, uh yeah, yeah, like in in part now it's yeah, Paris Cantina a

galaxy also, you can those drinks are very overrated. Oh really, that's yeah. I've heard people say the other just because people like the tingly Mouth one I have. I haven't seen any I haven't been the galaxies Edge. Yeah, but I need the tingly Mouth drink. Going back to the Cars Ride in cars Land, the Cars Ride is my favorite Cars movie. Yeah, oh wait, what can you? I'm sorry say that again. The Car's Ride is my favorite Cars movie. Okay, Okay, I was lost. I thought you

were saying like that's your No. I thought you were saying that that's your favorite Okay, I understand you now. I thought you were saying that Cars was your favorite Pixar movie. And I was like, ma'am, why, ma'am, why are you on this? It's great. No, it's just like you're going through like, um, you know the what's it called the Ornament of the Radiator Spring's going through Radiator Springs. But the ride is just so much fun. Like I liken it to the Pandora ride at Disney World where

that is also my favorite Avatar movie is that ride. Um, you know, just like they made some really great high concept throw rights for some of the biggest I P s you know, and some of the other ones they kind of just slap the I P on the ride, like the incredi Coaster. Um. But yes, you know, like you know, I think cars Land was like the biggest like sign for people to redirect them to California Adventure because my girl, California Adventure was not doing good. It was.

It was definitely high mid for a lot of people. The biggest highlight for a lot of people I spoke to where was the soaring over because you've got the smells blown at you. Um. But yeah, you could. I could do a whole episode just on Disney Park culture because that's a whole underworld that I knew all too well, got angry at times about and just it's you know, it's a whole thing. I may be involved with something like that. Actually, yeah, about the theme parks with with

a with a mutual friend of everyone here. Yeah, um yeah, I know, like definitely with the I p of Pixar moving to Disney's Coffee Adventure, it opened up new avenues for these worlds that we've always wanted to be a

part of. Two be places we can go to. Like now there's a whole ride based on Inside Out called Emotional Whirlwind, which is a re skin of a ride from A Bug's Land, but it's still cute because you get like the sound effects of like the orbs spinning and like you're on this ride where you're you're on an Emotional Whirlwind. Well, speaking of A Bug's Life, which was the second film Pixar's second film, A Bug's Life, UM, almost all subsequent Pixar feature films that were shown in

theaters had an original short film shown before it. UM. And so now you can actually one of my favorite things on Disney. Plus you can go and watch all of the shorts. And also they're just constantly coming out with new shorts. I think it's a great way, aside from some of them being Academy Award winning, but it's a great way for a lot of these artists to kind of get their foot in the door, get their

name out there, that's kind of there. Um. I got to see, not that Ralph was the same obviously it's at Walt Disney Animation, but I got to see the process of how you get promoted to getting to direct, like moving from lead story moving from storyboard artists to lead storyboard artist to director. Really fascinating. Um, a lot of the people they're been working there for a decade plus. Um.

But yeah, So Pixar began producing shorts in the nineteen eighties. Actually, the first shorts were made while Pixar was still a computer hardware company, when John Lassetter was the only professional animator in the company's small animation department, starting with Gary's Game or Jerry's Game. After Pixar had converted into an animation studio. All later shorts have been produced with a larger crew and budget, and then are made four c g I shorts produced for the TV series Sesame Street.

The shorts illustrate different weights in directions starring Luxo Jr. You don't know Luxo Jr. That is the lamp and Luxo light and heavy surprise, up and down in front and back. Um, so what are some of y'all's um do you have any shorts that stand out to you. Uh, they were definitely because that used to be one of my favorite parts of Pixar movies or the shorts that came up before it. Um, I want to be late to the movies. Yeah, you just wanted to catch some

of those early early joints. I mean, mine, what what being is? The one with a guy playing chess with himself? Wasn't that game? Oh? Yeah, so yes, so I have Yes, you are absolutely correct. My recent favorite everyone should go watch is Out. I actually shared it all my Insta stories. We can link it, you can go watch it right now. Um. It is I think their first main queer story short story short about a guy who's afraid to come out

to his family. It's great and in the traditional Pixar style. Um, very heartwarming and has great build They're just really great at doing that. There's magical nous to it, there's a magical component to it. So sorry, that's part of their Spark Shorts series. I should say that Sparks shorts differently just there I have been so great, you know, with Out by Bobby Rubio, which is a Filipinos Filipino story, um, and also about by Donmi she um which won the

Academy Award in and also made me very hungry. Uh. I love the ones that you know incorporate the different flavors of everyone's backgrounds and stuff, and even going back to other shorts before, like Sparks shorts. Uh, Sanjay Super

Team was one of my favorites. I think that one was before The Good Dinosaur, and that was about Sanjay Petel kind of growing up on a show like Power Rangers and basically extending himself to see people that look like him be a like mashup of his culture and the Power Rangers and how like that would look like

in his imagination. Like that made me cry so much. Um. You know, it's interesting because we want to see more consistent films with more inclusion behind the helm of these big movie these, but with the shorts you definitely like, I guess you know, like you said, that became the testing grounds for people to get moved to the next level. Someone that we should note that we haven't said yet is Brad bird Um as being someone who has definitely

had a large role in shaping Pixar. Obviously is the director of The Incredibles, which too many people is along with Toy Story, one of the most iconic Pixar films. Uh. Something that I think took fourteen years I believe for a sequel is that people were writing brad Bird, they were like would you will you do it? We were like getting all these cars sequels and meanwhile like, oh, the Incredible stands where like where where it's our sequel? You left us hanging like why are there cars to

right now? Where is Incredibles too? Like over the years and that those which is We're finally answered a few years back with The Incredible. Well. I see a very um controversial question here from superproducer Joel Monique, which says some believe that The Incredibles is one of the greatest superhero stories ever told. Do you agree or disagree? Looks like she's trying to abit us if he what do you think about Incredibles? I think it's I think it's

pretty solid. I mean, you know, there are while there are like family superhero stories told, they're always like superhero as family, and I feel like, uh, the Incredibles or family as superheroes, which is a different, uh similar but different kind of I think spin on it. So I think it definitely can sit at the table, but the greatest is definitely it's gonna be hard to top All

Star Superman for me. I think spiritually, an interesting thing that has happened with pop culture is taking The Incredibles for example, is that The Incredibles is seen as a spiritual sort of reimagining of beloved stories like Fantastic Four and like the X Men, Like, oh, they did some of these things we've seen in the comics in this film way better than some of those films at the time, you know, like the Jessica Alba Fantastic four movie or Slash Chris Chris Evans or like you know, some of

those X Men movies. People were like, we're seeing some of these things we liked about these properties in The Incredibles, and they're pulling it off. This should be I like this idea of like spiritual sort of like reimaginings and reboots that are like really good at uh, distilling some of these stories that we love and the core of what they mean to us and instead of just remaking it.

Like one of my examples that I kind of point to all the time is the fandom of the opera um Amazing Book, all the adaptations like kind of like try to tackle like just certain beats of it and then like the mask and he's disfigured. And but there's a movie called The Fantom of Paradise by Diploma that just takes the core of the message behind the fan

of the opera and is the most faithful adaptation. And I'm tying this back to Pixar because, um, you have Hunt for the Wilder People, which was directed by tycho I t D. That is basically a spiritual like adaptation of Pixar's UP that actually kind of think is a

bit more effective than UP. I don't know if you all have seen Hunt for the Wilder People, but it is basically the story of a like grumpy old man who has to take in a young kid and they go on an adventure in the woods, uh, in the jungles of New Zealand, and basically it's it's it's up but like very raunchy and hilarious and heartfelt. Um it

hits all those emotional beats of a Pixar story. Um that you know, I think honestly draws from the d n a of what has made these movies stand apart from Disney movies and What I mean by that is that Pixar films are about asking questions about the human condition. And before then with other Disney movies, we're doing you know, things about like I want to like I want to meet the love of my life, or you know, like these very like eurocentric stories that were about those, like

fairy tales and stuff. Pixar kind of helped break ground in separating itself from that, which is why I think it stands as its own entity. What I was going to say that I do enjoy about Brad Bird's work is he clearly is influenced by this mid century, modern, post World War two type of feel like he had that in The Iron Giant, which he directed um and definitely in The Incredibles. If you look at the architecture, the hairstyles, the wardrobe, and so I find that really fascinating.

It's all very like that mixed with today's technology. I always am. I always think that's really cool because it reminds me of some of my other favorite things like Twilight Zone, you know, or just like that period of time where it's very sleek. But they were also super

into aliens and you know, possible spaceships and whatnot. And so I find that really cool that he kind of just like has centered in on that hime period, those timeless touchstones that get carried on through pop culture of things that like we you know, grew up on, but then like also look back and they're like, oh my gosh,

because like the Twilight Zone. One of the things I noticed about like movies that Pete Doctor did um was that after Pixar for a time had some of their storytellers kind of um take care of the Ghibbli films. When Disney acquired that for a while they were in charge of sort of restructuring them, slash casting the voice actors for American audiences or I guess English speaking audiences. UM that after they worked on movies like How's Moving Castle?

For example, Uh, you got movies like Up and Monsters, Inc. And if you notice in Up, there's you know, the moving house and moves very similarly to how House Moving Castle moves in that film, the same thing with the doors inside Hell's Castle. They kind of lead to other portals in other worlds. That is basically the you know, that's where they got I feel like heavy inspiration for the Doors and Monsters, Inc. That lead to other kids houses.

So you kind of see how all these like giant touchstones of pop culture kind of all influenced one another and carried those things. It's incredible. We have to take another really quick break and then we're gonna have Sabina talk to us about the Pixar Theory, which will blow your mind. Right after this and we are back, Sabina, would you like to talk to people about the Pixar theory? Yes, I feel like the ground from It's always sunny, of like there's all these things that have you know, kind

of consistently popped back up in Pixar films. Um, I'm not quite sure how it started, but for me, I think I started hearing about it when people started saying that the Witch and Brave is Boo and that she's time traveling to find Sully. How did this? And it's the whole theory. The theory is created by Um John Negroni.

He basically put all of the Pixar films into a massive timeline that he calls the Pixar Theory, and it spans I think sixty five million years, Like it starts at the Good Dinosaur essentially, and it makes its way onto like onward, but that basically at some point, like humans get wiped out, humans developed superpowers that like you know, in Up, when Months is trying to like create like you know, give dogs like sentients or voices or whatever, like,

he stumbles upon something that leads to the Incredibles having superpowers. It's a lot um, but it's a really fun thing to dig into if you're into that thing. And Pixar

hasn't entirely rejected this idea. UM. I thought that, like you know, it would kind of fall apart at movies like Coco and Inside Out, um, But actually, like one of the things I saw recently was if you noticed when someone is forgotten in the Land of the Dead and Coco, they shimmer in like the same color that the forgotten Memories and Inside Out shimmer when they're gone.

And that's really upsetting to me. But but it's also you know, like you kind of see these little details that kind of like informed that, yeah, this is all

like the same place. Um. Along those lines of thinking, one of my personal theories is that being Bong lives, and I think it would tie into the Pixar theory because I firmly believe that the Being Bong that we saw die in Inside Out or be forgotten an inside Out, it was just like a mental avatar for Riley's monster from Monsters Inc. I think that Being Bong is a comedian who you know, was probably collecting Riley's laughter, and

he is probably somewhere at in Monsters at Work. Like I am fingers crossed that he shows up in that Pixar show of you know, the changeover from collecting children's screams to collecting their laughter, and that we see Being Bong return and be glorious and amazing and not dead. I do see something here. It says you remember Merida opening doors, and I'm saying that right right, yeah, yeah, you remember Merida opening doors in the Witch constantly disappearing.

It's because those doors are made the same way from Monsters, Inc. They transport across time, and that's why Mereda couldn't find the Witch later in the movie. And then there was also obviously this little wood carving of Solely that you see for a brief second in the workshop. Now I appreciate this. I definitely think they all live in the

same world. But I think that's just because Pixar and Disney in general loves to do Easter eggs, So I think that that's why you'll see like in Toy Story, You'll see in Cocoa, like some things from Toy Story, and you know, you'll see little Easter eggs throughout Disney. Yeah. I like how some of them were like, oh, the cars, cars talk and have sentience because the emotions have moved into them. What it's it's crazy and there's like there's a whole machine human uprising, and like have they built

out a timeline because it's it's a whole time. I'm like, no, there's a whole book now, Like it's literally its own podcast. Honestly, the problem is the podcast that just breaks down the theory, which is basically like just picks our conspiracy theories, so it has its own universe conspiracy. I would say, I mean why not? And you know the cool thing is like Pixar didn't just you know, stick to Pixar. I mean, creative heads from Pixar were consulted to fine tune the

script in the two thousand eleven live action filmed The Muppets. Uh. They helped with story development on the Jungle Book as well as provide suggestions for the films, like in credit sequences. Yeah, And I think that goes to show how, uh, there was a big storytelling shift from just retelling mythology that we've grown up with in those timeless self but to also just ask what we're experiencing now, Like these questions

of does this story need to be told? What about this story will tell us and inform us about the life we're living in the life in the places that we want to go to. UM and then being able to go in and kind of like you know, infuse all these other things around them with this tenant is kind of I think what's made you know, the fabric of film and like animated films like Richer contributed to that.

UM because like now you have I don't know any if you've experienced part of this, but like when you go into different rooms and get notes from like fellow creatives, like that became a big thing with Pixar. So Pixar Story Trust would go to Disney give critiques or ideas for those films, and then Disney people go to Pixar to screen their films and give story notes and like, yeah,

they'll become that. Yeah. So even though Ralph was at Walt Disney Animation, they still went to Pixar to show the executives there the movie and then get notes kind of like a focus group. Uh. And then they would cut scenes which I haven't seen and want to see, maybe it's in the extra things or whatever, but Pixar would be like, now, go ahead and cut this, and uh. So that still does happen even though they're technically separate,

they are separate animation studios. Um. So another thing that we left out was that both former and current uh Pixar folks, both former and current Pixar animators, were recruited for traditional hand drawn animated sequence for the film Mary Poppins Returns. I also know that isn't um. Oh no, that's not Pixar. I was about to say, Howard um the guys that did, Uh, isn't there Brad Burt, No, it is picked Brad Bird is working on something right

now right, that's that's um live action and animation. Yeah. Yeah, well he's he's master and he did, you know, with Mission Impossible film and did a tomorrow Land which was Disney, which also kind of like brought him and like damon Linda after other which ironically, I recently watched Watchman and there is a thing in Tomorrowland, like a like a memory sort of or but that the main character goes to that found new life in Watchman, and I was like,

oh Tomorrowland reference, uh because Linda lof Um. But yeah, he and lindelof like right stuff together. They've done tomar Land and I can not remember what the thing he is working on right now. Is hinted at it just a tiny bit, but I do think it's like a

combination of both of those. Pixar representatives have also assisted in the English localization of Studio Ghibli films, mainly those from Hyao Miyazaki, and like Sabina was saying, they developed a live action hidden camera reality show titled Pixar in Real Life for Disney Plus. So you can watch that out on Disney Plus right now. So Pixar in Your Life is basically taking characters from Pixar movies and just throwing them in like real life environments for strangers to

stumble upon. People have stumbled upon, like the emotional dashboard. They've stumbled across dash from The Incredibles and no one actually really got me, like some of some of them were kind of like, Okay, this is cute. But the Dash one, they had a kid at a block corner like adults and be like, hey, can you time me,

I'm gonna run around this block in five seconds? And they would time him and he would run one direction and then he would just appear magically from the other direction and be like, oh, how many seconds was that? And they'd be like, oh, it's nine seconds. But they'd also be like, how did this child just get around this entire block in nine seconds? Um? But it was identical twins spoiler alert that we're pretending to be the character and it's adorable. Well, like you said, there's entire

podcast on Pixar because there's so many films. Their latest film, by the way, which we mentioned, is Onward, So that's the last Pixar film to come out. It dropped March and then kind of didn't really get to be in theaters because of the pandemic, so they moved it to Disney Plus pretty quickly. I was shocked at how touched I was by this film. I really didn't think I

would be, but they did it. They have a way of getting you with parental They know that we all have parental issues in our lives and they just really know how to capitalize on that. Um, if you have you seen Onward not yet, Oh you should watch it. If you have, if you're like busy tonight or tomorrow, you should watch it and then get back to us. I think you would like it super super down. Oh we didn't talk about the big thing. The moments that

picked the movies have made us cry every moment. Every moment. Well, yes, we will give a shout out to Randy Newman, who I think set the stage for Toy Story. I mean, I don't think Toy Story would be the same without Randy Newman. Just a lot of iconic UH songs. But also he did the music for Cars we have to talk about. Michael Chino did the music for The Incredibles, also rad a Tui but contrected by Brad Bird and Up. So yeah, they all at the stage, like with Michael j.

Keino's music for for Up and Co and Coco. Yeah. Yeah, So we've talked about this on other episodes, but Brad Bird has been very um adamant that these are animated films, they're not kids films, and so I think he really doesn't like when people tweet at him about like, you shouldn't say that you make kids films, and he's like, I don't. I make animated films, and so they're family films for sure, but it should be for every member of the family. And I do think that they do

that great. Like I was saying, there were jokes that my parents got in toy story that I didn't understand until I was older. It still was very much like you know, I had a woody doll, my brother had a buzz light ear, so it was still something that we latched onto, but also that adults could enjoy. Yeah, that's what you know, And I think that's I think we've talked about this song one of our many episodes. But that's kind of like the makings of a good uh film is a good I guess animated film is it?

Should everyone should like it. I think really focusing on that word family film, like family isn't just the kids. Family is the parents and all that. And that's the difference.

You know, We'll watch a film uh and it'll and I would classify it as a quote unquote kids film because I'm like, yeah, I mean, I get why kids would enjoy this, but for me net And then you'll watch a film and you're like, oh, no, Naomi can watch this, but I can want Even if Naomi wasn't here, I'd be watching this, which is a lot of not a lot. I'd say every Pixar, even cars. That's always

the discussion whenever. It's so funny. I've meant to mention this earlier, but when the discussion of Pixar movies come up, they always say, even cars. I don't know what it is about cars, but people do not really enjoy it. Yeah, and it's about community too though, because it's you know, let McQueen was all about like being the winner and like being number one or whatever, and he had to be humbled down to embrace the community around him that would uplift him to succeed again. And like how the

people around you are like the most important. Okay, fine, cars is my favorite cars. I think that we did it. I think we talked about we can't get into all twenty two movies, but we at least said their names.

Most of them are actually sequels. As I'm looking through this, a good portion of this makeup is this, like you know, cars three toy Story three, four Monsters at the second Monster Zinc Like they have a lot of sequels in here, Finding Dory going along with Finding Nemo, so Incredibles to uh, they definitely have that in the bank, making things that

they're able to make for a decade. You know. The first Toy Story came out and the last Toy Story, which I can guarantee will not be the last last even if they think that it is, um, but Toy Story four came out in twenty nineteen, so yeah, wow, that is ah, that is a long run. Yeah, dude.

As we were talking about scenes that made you cry with Toy Story four, when I knew that they were retiring these characters, I was just like also fascinating because it was the same year that this final Star Wars came out and they were like, we're retiring these characters. You'll never see them again, um. And so when I was watching Toy Story four, I was like, this is chill. I won't cry until the end. I know they're going

to be gone. In the end, something's gonna happen, they're gonna send us off, but I won't cry until the end. The first five minutes of Toy Story for why and how dare you? Um? I was just like, no, they got me the first how could they did it again? They did it again. I'll give I don't want to give anything away. But it was between Woody and bo Peep. It was a moment between bo Peep and Woody and I was like, why did you do this? There was

it was that was so brutal. It's so weird because like some of these fixtre movies recently are kind of way too real, because you know, that was like say goodbye to your old friends and then you know, obviously Coco was like how to say goodbye to your loved ones and deal with death not being a final resting place. They could you know, you will see them on the other side. And then they had to drop the trailer

for slul like you always you're possibly incoming death. I'm like mine, I don't know if I'm ready for this movie. It was supposed to come out. I think last week. Oh um, I forgot to say check out my friend Roy Wood Jr. Starring and soul. Um. He's just so roy for those that Jamie Fox is playing the lead and soul but the character looks exactly like Roywood. Jr. And so he's just been like running along with that joke. Um, so check it out. I hope that he is at

the premiere. At least I think you should be invited to the Yeah, when they borrowed his face, you know, I feel like you gotta at least get an invite. Well, a bunch of the animators follow him too, so I want to be like get that, get that picks our money? Roy Um. Sabina, where can everyone find you? Everyone can find me on Twitter at Sabina has no R. I do many things. I'm a filmmaker and I am a story coordinator for the Something Scary podcast and channel on YouTube,

and that's that we are snarl Old. I write the spooky things for everyone, um and yeah, like and anything I do will be on that platform. And my Instagram is at that Lady Graves, that Lady Graves. Um, I'm at Ms Danny Fernandez and all the things. Yes, next week will be our last episode, but don't worry. We have a bunch of things planned and we'll be talking to some great people and having a lot of fun. So just remember keep it fun. You know, we're not dying.

We're not going to end Up in soul An Inside Out. This isn't the first ten minutes of up or toy Story for literally any of those films or finding Nemo. Um yeah, Iffe, what about you? Yeah yeah, if you wait, Twitter, Instagram, if he's on twitch, you know, uh yeah, just come see me on Twitch. We'll be playing video games, you know. Um. Thank you again, super producer Joel for popping in and uh and for working with us, Zach mckebar, engineer Jacquies

Neil who's been doing of the editing. And we will catch you next week for our final week. Until then, stay nerdy, Stay nerdy, m asstssssss