115: Toonami

The thing because we had our whole month that we did mental health May and so like something that I've been talking to my therapist about is um celebrating my winds more because I don't, like, you know me, I'm very perfectionist and competitive and like I'll get something like I'll book a roll or whatever. I'm like, cool, great, onto the next one? What else? What else? I need to do more? And it's just like not healthy. I don't recommend it. People will be like, how how do

you do so many things? It's like I'm a perfectionist that I'm never happy. Don't do it like it's not worth it. Um. And so anyways, long story short, I've been trying to treat myself like even if it's just for an afternoon, like I took myself out to the middle of like nowhere essentially, and had like tacos and was just in peace and um social distancing, you know. Um. But even like going to a beach where like a secluded beach, uh and just like going into the water

and like just appreciating my winds. So I've been trying to do that more, even if they're small, it's necessary, I feel to do that. So that's what I've been doing. I've been like, you know, I've been doing my my getting my vibe right. And I've been watching a lot of anime, which is good because that brings us to

what we're talking about today. We're talking about one of the anime staples, one of the one of the anime ambassadors for a lot of people around our age and talking about it with us today is none other than j D Witherspoon. A k A run, j D Run? What did do? Hey? Hi? What's up? J D? Here? How y'all doing? How you feeling? Man? I'm feeling good. I'm feeling great. Glad to have you on, Glad to see Danny sipping on her coffee. Uh, feeling good. You know. It's like, I mean, you know, I guess we'll be

talking about anime the whole time. But we like to start off with, you know, asking our guests what they're nerd ing out about this week. So what's something you've been nerding out about this week? Um? You know, in this past week, I have had the privilege of watching some new anime. Finally. I've been so out of the loop, but I started watching Fire Force. I haven't already, yeah, but it's every everyone I know is talking about it.

So that's a great choice. Oh no, that that show is I mean, well, you know, not to uh sound like a pun. It is heat, it's good, it is it is lit. There's a fiery emoji at the end of it somewhere. It's it's really good. I I genuinely enjoy it. And the story is so obscure. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, okay, anime, I see, I see you stepping things up. I got that's cool. Yeah, just just mixing it up a bit, you know. And that's the funny

thing about anime, right. It could be like these deep storylines, or it could be an anime about girls pushing each other off of a you know, stool in a pool with their boobs and butts only uh, I forget the name of that one, but that's that's the one that everyone references when they say animal be wildin me this week, I think what I'm nearing out about is Ghost of Tsushima.

It's gonna be dropping, you know. You know. Now, it was funny because with Last of Us, Sony hooked it up with the early copy and everyone was like, oh, I'm jealous. But now I'm seeing the homies with the early copy of Ghost of Sushima, and I'm like, all right, now it's my turn to feel that jealousy. And I was like, I need it. I need to be slicing people.

M m. Yeah. And for people who don't know, Ghost of Sushima is this new like Samurai game, it's it's it's heavily inspired by Kurosaura and so like there's a whole Kurosawa mode that I didn't I don't even know about that I'm excited to try out. So it's gonna it's gonna be that heat. I cannot wait. Uh and I only have to wait a few more days. Yeah. What about you, Danny, Well, you you're like damning over there, too much cold brill And I've just looked over at

Baby's box and she was like vibeing. I was like, okay, I'm just in my head. I told everyone I live in a little fantasy world. In my head. I'm just like dancing. You know, whatever brings you joy during this pandemic. Um okay, So I started started a reading slash listening, which I still consider reading on audible. Um this book by Sylvia Moreno Garcia. It's called Mexican Gothic and it's really dope. It's set in Mexico. It's this I'm only on chapter seven, so I'm not sure entirely what's all

going to happen. But it's a horror novel and it's essentially this woman who I think she's in her early twenties ish her cousin, who's like one of her best friends, ends up marrying this guy who has a lot of money, and like she kind of disappears, and so she goes to visit her and it's in this like really creepy, haunted like town that has a lot of history and this like evil stepmother and stuff. So I'm still learning

about what's going to happen. I'm really fascinated. But if you want to support um, Latina's in the horror space, then definitely check out this book, which is a great horror novel and you can read along with me because I'm still getting into it. So yeah, definitely check it out. It's on audible if you're like me and dance around in life apparently and don't sit still. I can't sit still, and so I'm always like cleaning and I'm listening to

it or cooking and I'm listening to it. So um, yeah, check it out, you know, Um, I think we'll just jump right into it with you know, the early beginnings of Tonami, which I remember, which is you know, launched, and then that was the Maltar Error. That was the

Maltar Era, and yeah, it wasn't at this time. It wasn't like the anime Haven that it was before, premiered March sevent and it replaced this block called power Zone and then it was like a weekday afternoon cartoon action block and it had Malta from Space Ghosts, which you know, well Space Ghost was running from coast to coast, so he was already Yeah, it was like, so I'll just in that with that from Malta who was at the time on Space Ghost Coast to coast, so it wasn't

like a wild reference for kids, like they were like, oh yeah, I remember that guy from that show. Uh and it was in the Ghost Planet Industries building. Um, yeah, do you all remember this ever much? I remember bits and pieces, bits and pieces of Tsunami or just like space Ghost or all this stuff. Was the host of Tsunami and he would just pretty much like pull levers

and that would start shows. What I feel like, I remember that, But was that pre the main host that Steve yea or yeah, because we're going to talk about that because he said the main host Steve well, giuse me, not the main but the guy who he's the one that people know. But I know that there was someone else who played his voice. Yeah, for like a year, and then I think he came back for one more year. So yeah, I don't know, but I don't know why I don't. I think I do remember such a brief.

It was so short though. It was like it was like Moltar be like blah blah, and he would just like he'd be like he would like pull a lever and be like, yeah, we got some u yasha tonight, we should check that out. And I just remember I remember that, but I remember the vibe being so off because he wasn't like smooth or cool. He was just kind of like, yeah, you like you like you like anime. Shut. This was before they had kind of officially moved over to anime, so they had a lot of non anime

because they took over that power zone. They wanted just like action shows for that, which they still had, you know when it fully moved over to Toonami, they still had like it was kind of the it was like the call for like they just wanted action adventure that was like supposed to be the block at the time, So even the anime that that they allowed to exist

had to largely be action adventure. Um. But yeah, this was before dbz uh and before Gundham and before a lot of uh those shows that we finally got in the Tom era. Oh yeah yeah, so yeah, that's that's what That's what I was saying, because the Tom Tom era was was dope and uh and so it was first Sunny Straight and then it was Steve, which Steve we know voices all buff characters. So it's also funny that this was like Chubby Tom. You remember how at first he had like oh yeah, yeah, yeah he did,

Yeah yeah, I'm tripping. This is so this is this is just taking me back. I forgot about all of this. We and the reason we start doing this episode is because we're doing the Cartoon net Work episode and me and Danny had that like flashback when we were reading through, like oh snap, and we're like, we gotta do a whole episode just on two Nami because this is this is what straight up fueled me into the anime nerd

I in today. Like this was like you know, because you know, back in the day, Internet wasn't popping like that. You you have to get fans subs if you don't know what fans subs were. That that was when the one we who actually understood Japanese would be translating the Japanese dub and then they'd be putting whatever they want. They'd be adding cuss wars like the G two be

dropping F bomb. We Uh. We had a we had a spot, me and my boy, we had a spot near a Toys r Us that used to sell uh dubbed tapes that that I don't know if he dubbed them or if he just works or if he wants a Little Tokyo and and bought them a wholesale to try to make a profit. But he, my boy, had all that the Dragon Ball Z episodes that Tsunami refused to get to, that they that they took so long to get to. He was like, bro, I can't wait anymore, Yo,

Let's watch this. Let's watch this, uh this movie about some dude name Jannemba. And I was like, I was like, okay, so and it was it was just the japan It was the original Japanese show with it wasn't dub it was subs so it was subtitled um the Japanese subtitle one. And it was like some of the stuff that was written on the screen. I was like, is this what they're talking about? I was so confused. Now those were the j one, so like around that you you pretty

much were relying on like Tsunami. But yeah, they had the new host, Tom, which was voiced by Sonny Straight at the time, and this is and he had the speech to kick it off, my best Sonny A Straight, which is gonna be bad. So it's a brand new Tunami, but the mission objectives remained the same. My name is Tom, I'm the new Moltar. Welcome aboard the Ghost Planets spaceship Absolution Cartoon Networks first and only Interstellar broadcast an exploration vehicle.

I'll give you the tour later. From this day forward, she is completely responsible for all two Nami transitions. I'm taking you guys into the new millennium. No big changes now, same show, same attitude, new place to do, new guy to do it with. I'm not gonna waste any more time. Let's get back to it later. And then that also premiered the Midnight Run, which who that was that one? That one that's when you have those like it was because I remember the one thing I remember from Midnight

Run that I would that I can never forget. It was always Dragon ball Z uncut. I was like, Oh, what they're gonna show on that and all it wasn't that. It was like all the blood stuff that they tried to hide from us, they showed it to us. I'm thinking I thought Mama was about to come out nude or something like the way like because also at the time, for those who didn't know, we also had BT uncut, which you got to see the uncut tip drill video,

which is not the same at all. Well that was do you remember in dB Z like so they would have the blood was like purple. Yeah, that's like so basically you just got to see red or non existent yeah, true, true, true, So basically you just got to see red blood like coming out of vegeta as opposed to the purple but uncut and we were staying up late. I remember seeing Krillin getting pierced by freezes Horn during the second Transformation, Yeah, in Japanese, and I remember watching it. I was like,

what the hell is this episode? I was like, this did not happen in America because Freezer like rams him and then like like ride makes him ride the horn for a few minutes and he's like he's just like he's just get stabbed. And I'm like, yo, this, I don't remember this. This is gross. Which, by the way, um we should mention Krillan, voiced by Sunny Straight is the voice of Tom this first this first running Wow, that's crazy. Um so he did sound not like how

if he sounded very smooth? Yeah, I didn't know that. I was like Sunny Straight was a blaxploitation. I don't remember, Hey Straight, and welcome back to Tonami. Like, you know, this man sounds too smooth. He was This is from the wiki was a well, by the way, Tom's stands for to Nami Operations module and this was like a pudgier shorter funny that it was voiced by Krill and this is the shortest version of tom um And yeah, so he he was like our little uh, our little DJ.

Essentially he was the best version. I didn't like when he got buff I was like, what is this is said? I was like, bro at the glow up. I was like, give me back the couch potato. I can resonate with what do you say? Like, like what you put the gut back on him? So I can get back to feeling the same as he is when it comes to watching my anime. Let me eat my chips in the bed, you know. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I forgot this new the new one was like, yeah, y'all, well I'll go ahead. No,

I was gonna say the Intruder okay. So so how that came to be is they had this like this eight episode mini series called The Intruder where and it ended with him really um iconically like getting taken over by like molten where he was like sinking um and that's how he essentially, quote unquote like died. He also had an Ai Sarah I don't know if you remember, yeah, kind of floated around him um. And so this all took place in his ship called the Absolution, and then

when he came out, she like essentially rebuilt him. She's like Tom Tom and he comes out and he's like totally jacked, and I don't know. I feel like also because was this the error where they had reboot? Yeah, they had reboot early on, so I feel like they were taking some some notes from some of those jacked res sexy characters on reboot. They have some gifts of him in the I I linked also all the Tom's

in the chat. But also here's a site that has kind of like uh is explaining like his evolution and he came out with that thing on him. He came and he started blast and I was like, dang, that's tight. I'm watching like a Tsunami retrospective video right now in the background just to remember all this stuff. I'm watching this video of of Tsunami, just realizing how all they did was repurpose old ass anime. Oh yeah, us low yeall just I'm sitting here and I'm like, I'm like

yo lo ki. They played us like like it's all this stuff was dope, But I'm looking at like throwback animal like brod These are eighties animes that they were trying to sell us in the late nineties. They were like, yeah, this this is we can we can make some out of this, right Yeah, it's like you got it. We have to take a really quick break and then we're going to hop into Tom era too in the anime that was behind it, that was my era right after this, and we're back so Tom the second era, the beefed

up Tom had like a bomb r esque character. He was taller, sleeker, deeper voiced. Um they Sonny got to stay as Krillan, but Steve Blum is the one that took over as his voice. And they also added a Saturday morning block. I don't know if you'all remember this was called to Nami Rising sun Um. This was from two thousand and two thousand one and it was at nine am. I think they were really trying to figure out their kids age bracket because they had hooked a

lot of middle school and high school kids. At least that's what I watched when I came home from school at four pm, like that, that two Nami block, but then they had the uncut. They stayed up a little bit later, realizing that high school and college kids were highly consuming it, and then they were like, how do we capitalize on the little ones though, or at least the younger so like that block um was more age appropriate I think for like elementary and middle school, and

they also had it on over. They had a two Nami block over on WB Kids or kids WB lineup, they also had it, and then eventually just realized it was a lot of competition with each other, which was fascinating to Nami ended up competing a lot with adult swim. So they were still like trying to figure this out what they were doing the morning block that I remember because I was gonna say I were remember when I was really young, I was watching Dragon Ball in the mornings and I had and I had to wake up

really early to watch the new episode. Same with Pokemon. Uh, Pokemon wasn't wasn't the Tunami stuff, But I just remember maybe that was the w B thing because I remember getting up and getting almost at least in the in the first arc of the Freezer Saga watching that, and and the and also the the saying saga and all

that stuff. And I'm trying to remember. I'm like, I remember it being on early in the mornings, and then randomly Tsunami came out and it would be on in the afternoon, and then they went and started like a late night after like later block of their of their viewing. Yeah.

So so during the first TOM block, the shows they had running during that first TOM one point, I will say was Batman, the animated series, DBZ, Gundam, Wayne, The Real Adventures of Johnny Quest, Reboot, Running Warriors, Sailor Moon, Tinchi in Tokyo, Tinci Muyo and Tinchie Universe, and ThunderCats.

They they they were already pushing that Tinge on us and uh so so then we had we talked about you know that that TOM two point oh, and that was in September twenty two of two thousand and uh and they and they had a few schedule changes, like on May fourteenth that changed it from five to seven. Then on June three and two thousand and two they went back to four to seven. So, but all the

programs that ran under TOM two point. Oh were the Batman the animated series, still going Batman beyond the big oh boom. You know, I'm not gonna pick that figure

up again. The Blue Submarine Number six Card, Captors, Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, G Gundam, Gundam, wing Ham Taro, which I remember being so he Man, Masters of the Universe, Mobile Suit, Gundham, Mobisu, Gundham eight Mobisu Team, Outlast Star, which I just got on Blu Ray, Powerpuff Girls reboot, Running Warrior still going, Sailor Moons still going, Superman, the animated series, Tinchi in Tokyo, Tinchi Moyo, Tinti Universe, both

of those three still running, ThunderCats and Transformers, Armada, Yeah you you Hockey Show and uh you you Hockey Show and Zoid's New Century zero and Chaotic Century. So they were the were pushing quite a few things. Uh now that's like you know, and those are all the different ones that were in that block. But I mean these this is definitely one that I remember because these have all the big ones are big Oh, Outlast Star, Gundam, Wing g Gundham, DBZ, Dragonball, uh freaking even like Sailor

Moon Running Card Capture Sakura. You know, uh, Tinchi Moyo, all that Tinchi run. Like, I think this was the one I was really watching regularly from Yeah, I mean, I it's so fascinating. I know I've talked about high love Tinchi Moyo, and maybe it was just from the sheer amount that it was put at us um, but it is really fascinating because out of all these I still gravitated so much to DBZ, which is wild. It's just like that fan base became so ravenous. I think

that that helped. Well, I mean, I don't know a better word to describe it. I mean people would go it's kind of like what j D was saying, like we would go out of our way to get stubs and subs, and like you know, of course everyone jokes that too. Nomally would re air the same episodes, but like I was playing earlier, that's because of the Ocean dub then moving over to the Funimation dub, and so it was like all this like delay essentially and getting

English version over here. Um. But also I think a reason why we we became obsessed is because we were just inundated with the same you know, uh, the same shows on here, but um, they threw in some other things, like you said, like uh, powerpuff Girls, you know, things that weren't necessarily things that were in their regular line

up that they added it. And and it really like it like watching like like kind of like looking at this list, I can totally see how everyone has like broken off, you know, from from this, Like all the gundham Heads are in here. You know, you got big robos because you have the Gundam's big Oh then you have like Outlast Star you know in here, you know, holding it down and I and the uu hockeu shows of it all like these these were like all the

I feel like the anime sex were starting right here. Um. And also this is the this was the list that if if if you were talking to some like gate keep Ee Weaves, you you have to say something other than these you you can you can say they're like, oh, oh you watch Yeah, I'm sure you watch you show, but have you seen this thing a bit like shut up. Yeah.

They started to do cool things to like, um, expanding just from what their list was they had In two thousand three, it was the week of February they did Giant Robot Week. I don't know if you remember that. It was a five day special where they only aired

MEC series and mac anime. Um, so they were they were taking a lot of risks, I think, um over there trying to see They were still trying to figure out their demo, at least in my opinion, by like the different experiments they did with having a late night, having an early morning, moving their times around, trying to figure out like which kids they were hooking. Um. And so then we go into the Tom three era, which

was two thousand three to two thousand seven. Yeah, well, you know what's really funny, Like their Masthead show in my opinion, which was DVZ had super muscular buff dudes, so um oh yeah. They also premiered their own show, which was Immortal Grand Prix. I don't know if you guys remember that. I remember it. I definitely sounds familiar. Yeah. It was like let me, I'm gonna look up images because I had the name. Yeah yeah, I g p X Immortal Grand Prix. Uh. It reminded me a lot

about because it was like a racing show. But like I think they wore these like these Yeah, they had these giants suits and it reminded me a lot of Tiger Bunny UM and I think I used to mix them mix them up a lot because of that. And so another thing that they did during this time was they actually took to Namie off of weekday afternoons and

they moved it to a Saturday evening slot. I think this also represented one that that you know, on our Cartoon Network episode, we talked about how Cartoon Network like was in their heyday. This was like Atta and Nettie, power Puff Girls, Dexter like all of those. So that was their afternoon block, and so they ended up moving to Nami to weekday afternoons, um and and late night. I think to also show how their viewership was aging.

You know, a lot of the kids that were starting to watch them, that watched them in say nine, we're now graduating high school and so it was still trying to figure out I still to this day think they're trying to figure out their demo. UM. But we'll get into that too, because now they're competing against streaming anime services. I guess um j D. I had a question like what shows did you resonate with the most and how do you remember consuming two Nami didn't. Were you watching

it late at night? Were you watching the main block after school? Like? What was your how are you consuming it? I think I was definitely one of the after school consumers, like because I vividly remember bothering my parents to pick me up on time so and they and they'd be like, well, you gotta come home soily for what can't you just

hang at school and play on the yard. And I'm like, stop neglecting me, pick me up and take me home so I can so I can heat up some pop tarts and some nest quick so I can watch whatever whatever is coming on this afternoon. Because I know, I know when I was when I was younger. I know for like a fact that, like, um, because I'm looking through the shows right now, I know Beast Wars, Transformers was he I was. I was so into that I was.

I remember specifically saying to myself, yo, I was. I was specifically saying, you know, Transformers has has never been as good I was. I was like, I was like, I was, like the fact that they ever thought transforming into into cars or planes was ever cool? Was trash? Give me robots that turn into animals. I loved I loved Optimus ape Prime and the Cheetah and whatever else they did on that cartoon show that that was such he Um. Obviously, Dragon ball Z Sailor Moon was great. Um,

super Friends was trash to me. Reboot to Me was probably the first semi representation of animated black people that I remember seeing when I was younger, because I was like, yo, I was like, I know that they're all polygons, but my man, my man's has got to wear a do ragged night Like I'm looking at this, there's no way. And and he had that like, um, he had that like, uh what I forgot the name of the dude who

plays Erkele. Uh he had that type of voice, Jalil White he had like that, he had that Jalil White like, oh man, y'all, we gotta keep going, like you know, it was like the whole show. It was definitely that Powerpuff Girls. Dang is that where they debuteded on or is that just something that came across nowhere. Yeah. I think they were like what constitutes anime? We're gonna add you know, they were starting to do that with more shows.

But like you were mentioning, um, super Friends, like they did if this is owned by Warner Brothers, and so they had a lot of the d C characters that they so you know, they ended up having um, you know, multiple Batman series like Batman Beyond, I Believe in Teen Titans, Justice League Unlimited. So they started to add just started to boost it with some of their DC franchises too, um and then also having Samurai Jack. You know, they had some of their own Cartoon Network produced shows that

they were that they were adding. Um. But what is fascinating about this is like you couldn't miss like as far as us, like Racing Home. Everyone talks about like Racing Home to see two Nami. The difference between two not a lot of Tunami shows and say Cartoon Network or Adult Swim is that they a lot of their shows were episodic, meaning it would contain all be contained in one episode. If you look at Dexter, each episode

just stands alone. You don't have to watch like if you miss an episode of say DBZ, you're gonna be lost. Typically it's like a bunch of things will happen that will feed into the next episode, so you know, or there's a lot of standing around and nothing really happening, so you're okay, but like you can't just like it's not just like Edit and Eddie where you could pick

up wherever you wanted, and they're all self contained. So I wanted to talk about because we're talking about them kind of riding there other shows and kind of like, you know, building this culture and riding the hype, and I can't, as a big Robo fan leave the I think best American attempt at that which was Megas xl R, which was about these two like American dudes, slackers who found a robot and used it to fight fight these giant monsters, and Andy had like lots of like references

to different anime, like there was a group called the Ultra Chicks that were obviously Sailor Moon rip offs. Like it was. It was a really good show Mega's XLR, So definitely check it out. We have to take another really quick break then we're going to hop into tom Era four and their cancelation right after this, and we're back now we're talking about tom Era four was very fascinating.

Um again, they wanted to, i think make a more kid friendly version of Tonami because they were starting to lose their numbers were starting to lower, so they ended up making these two new AI robots and turning Tom essentially into I'm not gonna like his face looks like Thomas the tank Engine. In fact, there's like memes online

about out it. UM. I think they were experimenting and they just wanted a more I don't know what they were going for, um, but they ended up kind of just canceling the Twounami block and Tom had this whole little send off where he was like, you know, um, oh this is it says, well, this is the end, beautiful friends. After more than eleven years, this is to Nami's final broadcast. It's been a lot of fun, and we'd like to thank each and every one of you

who made this journey with us. Tunami wouldn't have been anything without you. Hopefully we've left you with some good memories. So until we meet again, stay golden. Bang and he um just fired off into the sunset. UM. So yeah, so that that happened and it was off the air for four years. Actually, well that Tom version four who did the because I was no it is I'm looking at this time and I forgot about this. This one

needed to go. You to this one looks ridiculous, like, I don't know what the reason that's the reason it ended. I don't know. I don't know what. I don't know who. I don't know who, who the I don't know who the artist was. They needed, they needed to shut that down. I forgot. I skipped this era. This is yeah, this this, this is two thousand and seven. Oh yeah, I was in high school. I wasn't watching Tunami as often as possible. I was leaving high school. I was going into college. Yeah, yeah, same.

I graduate two thousand and six, and by this point I've already reached the era when my homie was downloading not it though from the internet the fans ups burning it to a DVD R to me and then given me. So I'm I'm already like I've been locally sourcing my anime at this point, Like, I'm like, but to the early Tuami era, let me see if they have it or maybe this was adult Swim. Yeah, it was adult Swim at this point, because they had a split at one point where Trunami was like some anime and then

the darker stuff they pushed two adult Swim. So like Andreid key Hider, I saw that on Adult Swim, but also which Hunter Robin. And the only reason I remember rich which Hunter Robin was because I was so hyped that and I remember this. I taped all of it on the VHS and I was like, I was like, I gotta get this, and I taped all over all

the vhs. But then by this point, yeah, we the Internet was a little more available, like my dad still had me on that net zero, but I still was able to, like, you know, download videos here and there. I was downloading Red versus Blue videos and I was, yeah, I was out of tunami. I was gonna say, I meant to add before I forget that that final when he said bang is because um, Steve Blum also voices Spike from Cowboy Bebop and that's what he says, so

it was kind of like a little nod to that. Um. I also think this is when they were airing Dragon Ball GT. So another reason why it needed to end hold on that I like got to start with this. Hey, I'm so glad you said that, because I literally wanted to do a GT episode And I was like, but I have to find someone who messes with GT, because I want that be someone who thinks I'm a fight for mustache. The arcs were weird, but it wasn't bad.

People act like it was bad. I'm like, how are you going to be mad at the man for continuing his story? And then they're like, no, no, didn't. I don't think it was. I don't think it was Toryama. It wasn't a cure. I don't think I mean, I think he had kind of he wasn't as I mean, I might be wrong and someone all right, but that was why it was a big deal. Win super he was involved with when he came back and it was like, this is this is how it should be. Um carried on.

But you know what, to your credit j D super stating four is the coolest form. They look dope and hot and they're just like they're they're fur on their bodies along with like they're under their mascara whatever they're wearing, their eyeliner. It is a Goku that looks like he actually knows what he's doing in the bedroom and out.

I will say that it was the first time when I was like, wow, I can't say because we don't cuss on here, but I was like this man, f's I can tell regular looks like someone's dopey little brother who I adore. Um, but that Goku looked like the Level fours were interesting, I think the I think the reason Level fours were cool to me. To me, I don't, I don't know if they were my favorites, but they

were cool to me. And I don't even think that's really the appeal of of g T I'm more, in my opinion, the main appeal is the fact that you get to see Goku go back to being a kid for for for however long. I kind of thought that was dope, just because I watched Dragon Ball back in the day, and and it's just dope that little kid Goku is just beating the brakes off of people. I

don't know why I enjoy that. But this look at this this man looks like he would take your girlfriend in front of you and you'd be okay with it, Like we get him. I mean, that's the one thing I will if we were going to take this full sidebar bar. That's why I like Level four because Level four is the only super saying transformation that makes sense.

You know, like they have all this power in there, like you know, their guerrilla form and so of course you would think like a powerful form would have some fur, have their tail grow back, and so it's like, I hope they like reckon it and like added into you, you know, newer ones if we get some they should because making him skinnier was like not the choice in my opinion. Remember how we talked about how you already

I feel about that. Okay, wait which one which so his um but is it his most recent and uh in super they made them leaner, they made him skinnier, yeah, yeah, and there are a pin in he should be able to It was like, you know, most fighters that are efficient are not actually bigger, Like that isn't the most

efficient for how fast and your power? Someone's going to write me because I'm butchering this, but essentially that was the mentality behind it, was that they would be more efficient with their so they wouldn't have to be all buffed up. They could be more powerful just with their power as opposed to their body, like their physical body. Come on now, Beefcake Gokulo, don't even saying that. Saying that negates the whole power level power up moment between

Goku and Freezer. Don't even do that, like when they started getting routed out, I was like, yeah, they're getting big big. He's like, I'm not even using my full power. Will show it to me. Those shoulders turned in the freaking planets. I love that. Even though it did I didn't care, but I still loved it because because unfortunately, that's just what the nineties and early two thousands, eighties and everything before that, that's just what that's what power

meant you. You have, you got muscles, like you know, so they can't. They can't. But that's why they have characters. When you look at Beers, isn't Jack like that, but is a god like stronger than everybody. So they started to lean into that more and even to some extent Freezer. I always love how they freeze. His dad, King Cold is like twice four times his size, but like you know,

has only half his power. So I love that they would constantly surprise the audience by having smaller characters actually be the most powerful. Yeah, I know what you mean. I think it's yeah, there's definitely a difference between Super

and DBZ. But I was going to say, yeah, I did think, like unless unless this, unless the moment in the arc called for it, They did not need de Royd out like like now now thinking about now, think now, thinking now, literally thinking about that Super Trunks was a waste of goddamn time, like like he know, he was good.

I'm saying that there's a point in the Cell saga between uh Cell Dog and everybody in in form number one or he was absorbing people, and then when he became level two by absorbing uh seventeen, Trunks was the I think Vegeta allowed it to happen. He got his ass beat and then Trunks was like, I'll handle it, father, and he he couldn't get to Super Saiyan level two. He could only get to Super Saiyan one and a half.

And he was like really big and bulky, and I was like, what is this and he and he specifically said, my mobility is limited and I was like, yeah, because you like went and just did Royd's bro you you're not stronger, You're just you're just bigger, like the Hyperball time chamber did nothing for you. That was funny though, but but but you know what, but they still did nod down to like the more leaner type of body types. Because even Cell when he finally transformed to perfect cell.

He went from level one to two, which was really hulky, to level three, which was the the obnoxiously you know uh uh Maurice Lamar's like, yes, yes, like you know that that thing and I and I respected that. But no, every time a character you think is gonna be whacked and strong, that's always dope. Always an anime, no matter what it is. Every time mm hmmm. I mean that's the main thing of Really Mob Psycho and One Style

too with One punch Man there the main character. They're always so basic and then they get hyped up and then they get hyper stylized. Oh give me that he can he can do that bit for the rest of his career and I'm eating it all up. Yeah. One punch Man els that so well because at the end of the day, Jeno's is supposed to be so dope, but he is dog garbage. He's trash like he's he's he's so cool. He tries so hard, he gets all these modifications, but at the end of the day, he's

just not that dude. He's the vegeta of He's the crill in of that show. Almost like he's he's the vegeta, but he's he's always wondering how to get stronger, and he'll never reach Saitama and Sitamas just like, hey man, someone's in my way and there's there's a there's a sale going on at the grocer market, like I don't want to do it, but I gotta because I need

to get to this sale. Like I love that. Uh So, on April Fools in two thousand and twelve, Adults Swim switched it up and normally they would air like the Room, but instead they made the two Nami block their April Fools joke, you know, you know, hurting our hearts like that there at the scheduled episode of Bleach and then they went through with DBZ Gundam, Wing Tinchi Muyo like

all the classics. But then, uh then after that, Adult Swim posted a message to the Twitter page saying want it back, let us know, hashtag bring back to Nami and so this so it was just a perfect move, Like I think they knew they were bringing back to Unami, but they were like, They're like, let's get the hype there so people can be hyped about it. So it

just exploded until the next year. In April two thirteen, where they premiered The New Look um and uh the and the Return of Sarah, and it just kind of kind of been that that's when it kind of came back. There's not much to say. I think the only thing we can really talk about is how cool they premiered The Space Dandy on January four, even before they premiered it in Japan, which which is kind of like flipping the whole spirit of Tsunami, which was like kind of

like the big export. Now they're like, now we're gonna we're gonna pop it off here too. Yeah, and so it's a little it difficult for them now as far as like the future, it's it's almost like, okay, So they start a lot of series, let's say Super or My heir Academia when it's already on like season three, you know, in Japan or on crunchy Roll or even Funimation their app and so it's just like some of them they've been trying to release as quickly as possible

as they can. With Japan, I know that this is heavily wrapped up in contracts, So it's not like they don't want to air it immediately, you know. For people that are like they should do this. I know that if they could, they would, but I think in order for them to survive, they're gonna need original anime right that you can't get anywhere else. I think that that. I think another thing is if they're open to doing subs,

Because subs like dubs. It takes a while to get the dub out, and I feel like if they were open to subs that aren't necessarily huge on Crunchy Role or huge on funimation, um, that might bring in an audience that's like trying to find that anime, even old anime. I feel like they could also capitalize on that by bringing back like, hey, you know, I know you grew up with Sailor Moon and DBZ, but here's some stuff you might have missed back when you're in elementary school

that was coming out that no one remembers anymore. So it's hard. I mean, in my opinion too, I don't really want I was kind of watching it for Super a little bit, but I don't really watch Tunami anymore. So. As much as everyone's like, yes, bring it back, we adore it, it's like, how much of us are actually sitting down and watching it. Well, that's That's the one thing I was talking about because I was wondering the same thing, like I was wondering, how can a show

like to Nami exists now? And it finally hit me when I kind of saw what they're airing now. The show's Tunami doesn't live for people like us, I'll call old head Weaves, because we got you know, we got our connection. We we we have we have we have

no problem getting crunchy role and aunomation. It lives for those high school kids because when I saw what they're running, I was like, Oh, all the popping animes that have all these kids yapping in the replies all the time, or what's on your doctor stone my hero all so like yeah, yeah, like fire Force, you know, like those and they and they are like they're so you know, wild,

like it was. It was so funny because uh, you know, I know, um Zeno Robinson who voices Hawks and now voices Ogan and fire Force, and like we did this thing where we switched each other's profiles and with mine to switch and I put my face over it and it was and his was just like a black version

of Hawks. It was a Hawks image painted black and uh and like I and I had it and I forgot about it and I just left it up there because it was still a picture of me even after we were done with a bit and I got like some some some d M that was like, hey, um, can you remove your your your profile picture because that is my edit that I made for Zeno and for

for his purposes only. And I was like what, And I was like and I looked at the profile and it was like a seventeen year old kid, and I was like, Okay, I'm not even gonna like go into you know, copyright law with his kids or why him just changing a character black does not make it his. And I'm just doing one because it's nice and too because it's a seventeen year old They're not gonna so

I changed. It was so funny because I was like, oh yeah, you know, like like as as much you know, hate Dubbs, get like the people who are like standing them and those voice actors are the people who were us when we were little, and we only and that's that like we we we were not you know, get going online. We're just watching it on TV. And so so it just made me go like, oh, yeah, Tsunami can still exist because it's for the new generation, you know.

And that's and that is what makes me happy that it's still around the generation that uh, the generation yells at you for reposting their content that they ripped off from somewhere. Hey man, hey man, that's my tweet. That's my that's my tweet of that TV show that I like that. I don't, oh, but that's my tweet. Man, give it back, like like like I almost want to be like, yo, parody law how me? Like I put my face on it, so it's not it's not it's

I put a watermark. What you're gonna do? Just transformational? Yeah, Like, last thing I need is to be dragged by some seventy year old and another Uh this person steals art. Oh man, don't do it. Man, they'll they'll, they'll, they'll stay TikTok army on you. Yeah. I don't know that anymore. I'm on TikTok. I know how they how they work. Oh my gosh. Um so uh so we're gonna we're getting out of here. J D. Where can people find you? Let people know where to get in touch with you?

What you've got going on? Um? You know, uh, social media platforms anything j D Witherspoon. I also do gaming content on Twitch and YouTube under run j D run. Those are my handles. But yeah, I don't know. You could just a search, search stat and you'll you'll more or less find my platforms. I post too much for people not to see what I'm doing, so yep, that's

where I would say to check me out. Oh okay, and you know me if you wide away on Twitter and Instagram, if D's on Twitch, discord dot eg Ford slash Salt Squad, if you want to join the convo, uh and get in there and start chip chopping, which people have already been like, there's thirty six episodes of or thirty seven episodes of of death note not twenty six. And I knew when I opened up my crunchy ass uh blu ray, but I was like, yeah, I mean

that's a small edit, y'all. Y'all know, and we all know, so just letting you know, we we know, but thanks thanks for letting us now. I always got to step back on that and the Discord people come wrecked. But yeah, Danny White people find I'm at miss Danny Fernandez and all the things. Um what else? Oh, yeah, um, I think this comes out. Thanks for everyone for writing me about my great debate episode. I have another one coming

out this month, so check that out. And I will also be posting things as I'm allowed to announce them. So yeah, yeah, speaking of what you yet, my episode is this Thursday. So it was last Thursday. Oh yeah, goodness, you missed it? Did you see it? Did you see it? And as we always say, stay nerdy, Stay nerdy,