Welcome back to nature vs Narcissism! I know the show has been on hiatus for some time and our listeners haven’t really been told too much. That is all about to change! For the last 2 years, the show has been on again/off again for a number of reasons. At the end of 2019, I became pretty sick for about 3 weeks - and that was on top of several family members passing away (for various reasons - old age, etc.). Then 2020 came and the whole world changed. COVID-19 hit and life as we knew it was diff...
Oct 22, 2021•30 min
Have you ever wondered who is considered the Ted Bundy of another country? What about the female serial killers of the world? Or the necrophiles of the world? If you're anything like Heather & Brittany, then you're fascinated with the minds of criminals! That thing that makes them tick. Why do they commit such egregious crimes? Why are they so different than us? Is it Nature? Nurture? Or plain 'ol Narcissism? Each week; Heather and Brittany will discuss a topic related to true crime and the ...
Oct 15, 2021•3 min
In this Listener Request episode, Heather is joined by a returning guest, friend, and podcaster; Amy Derrick. Amy has a podcast called 10-96 Crime Chicks and is embarking on a new podcast that will explore paranormal AND crime! Two of Heather’s favorite things; for sure! So, this listener request episode has been a long time coming and was requested by Amy, herself. So, today, we will be discussing Joseph Douglass Ball – aka The Alligator Man. This is an older case – which is a pretty interestin...
Feb 26, 2021•1 hr 25 min
In this Listener Request episode, Heather is joined by a returning guest, friend, and podcaster; Brian Olson. Our listener request episode has been a long time coming and has been requested by more people than I can recall. I’ve been pretty hesitant to cover it, in all honesty; because I know of several other podcasters who are in the middle of covering it right now. I just know that they’re going to do such a phenomenal job and my coverage wouldn’t compare unless I devoted 20-25 episodes to it....
Feb 13, 2021•1 hr 49 min
In Part 2 of this listener request episode, Heather is joined AGAIN by BRITTANY (newest Patron of the show)!!! Thank you so much Brittany! Today, we will continue the conversation regarding Terry Thompson and his zoo that once stood at his home in Zanesville, Ohio. In this episode, we go over the timeline of the day of the escape, the following days, and even the months that followed - as well as the law changes that came of this event. Additionally, we learn what happens with the animals that w...
Jan 31, 2021•53 min
In Part 1 of this listener request episode, Heather is joined by BRITTANY (newest Patron of the show)!!! Thank you so much Brittany! Today, we will be discussing something much like Tiger King, in the sense that we have our very own Joe Exotic, here in Ohio...well, we HAD our very own Joe Exotic. We are going to discuss Terry Thompson and his zoo that once stood at his home in Zanesville, Ohio. This case; is cuckoo bananas...and there was a lot in the background that I had no idea happened/exist...
Jan 31, 2021•1 hr 4 min
In this very special episode; Heather is joined by yet another author! This time, the author is Charlotte Bismuth who is a former Manhattan Assistant District Attorney and she describes her new book: Bad Medicine: Catching New York’s Deadliest Pill Pusher – which hits shelves everywhere, on January 19, 2021 From 2010 to 2014, Bismuth and her team followed a trail of bodies and money to Dr. Stan Li, who was selling prescriptions for controlled substances out of a basement clinic in Flushing, Quee...
Jan 19, 2021•1 hr 10 min
This is part 2 of our Listener Request episode on the murder of Hailey Dunn. In part 1; we discussed who Hailey was and the timeline of events in this case. In part 2; we will delve into the rumors and details that have come out since her death, things that occurred after she went missing (prior to the discovery of her remains), and what is being done today. For those who don’t know...like myself before researching this case...Hailey Dunn was reported missing from her Colorado, Texas home on Dec...
Jan 16, 2021•31 min
In this Listener Request episode, Heather is joined by a returning guest, Brittany F! And for those of you who are devoted listeners; you’ve already “met Brittany” in one of our Season 2 episodes...where we discussed Christine Falling. That was a 2-parter and was posted February 13, 2020. Christine was a babysitter in Lakeland, Florida who was 17 years old when she started murdering those she was tasked with babysitting. Super cuckoo bananas and very sad case, for sure. Today though, we will be ...
Jan 16, 2021•1 hr 49 min
GOOD RIDDANCE, 2020! I know that this year has been a bit of a roller coaster with the pandemic and everything else that 2020 offered us. So, we thought we could give y’all a laugh with our BLOOPERS from Season 4. Throughout this episode, beginning with Season 4: Episode 1 & ending with Season 4: Episode 10 (and some Patreon outtakestoo); you will hear everything from our technical difficulties, to our mispronunciations (HEATHER!), to our before/during/after episode shenanigans, to the ever-...
Jan 01, 2021•26 min
Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays! Here's a bonus episode for ya! All about execution methods! We thought it was pretty fitting, given the Season 4 theme. Find your favorite platform, buy merch, find sources, and more! https://linktr.ee/nvnpodcast Call/text us: 1-513-549-5735 Email us: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com Send us things: PO Box 498396 Cincinnati, Ohio 45249...
Dec 25, 2020•49 min
In episode 10 of Season 4; OUR SEASON FINALE, Heather discusses the infamous murder duo Alton Coleman and Debra Brown. Coleman and Brown entered into a master-slave relationship with one another and took to the road where they traveled across multiple states, murdering several individuals; including children. On July 17, 1984; Alton Coleman became the 388th fugitive on FBI’s 10 Most Wanted List. Finally, the authorities catch up to and apprehend Alton and Debra on July 20, 1984 in Evanston, Illi...
Dec 25, 2020•1 hr 12 min
In episode 9 of Season 4; Rachelle discusses the 1981 murder of Arthur Criswell and Officer Robert Martin. Officer Robert Martin was a family friend whom Ricky had known since he was a very young child. Rachelle also discusses the man responsible for their deaths – 31-year-old Ricky Ray Rector. The twist in this case is that when Ricky shot Officer Robert Martin (after turning himself in for Arthur Criswell’s murder), he then turned the gun on himself…shooting himself in the head; which in turn ...
Dec 18, 2020•25 min
In episode 8 of Season 4; Heather discusses the 1983 senseless murder of 44-year-old Larry Don Rohus as well as the man who was responsible for and convicted of this horrible crime – 30-year-old James Edward Smith. Smith was a Hare Krishna follower and labeled himself as a VooDoo/VoDou Priest. This plays a role in some of the confessions that he made as well as his last meal request (super interesting). James Edward Smith was executed by lethal injection in Texas on June 26, 1990. Last meal?? Um...
Dec 07, 2020•39 min
In episode 7 of Season 4; Rachelle discusses the 1998 atrocious and senseless murder of 49-year-old James Byrd, Jr. as well as the men who were responsible for and convicted of this horrible crime – 31-year-old white supremacist Lawrence Russell Brewer, Shawn Berry, and John King. For this episode though – we are focusing on the ringleader, Lawrence Russell Brewer. We know that this episode is a bit shorter than last week, but we think that is a good thing. It was really hard to stomach this cas...
Nov 02, 2020•28 min
In episode 6 of Season 4; Heather discusses the 1978 murders of two 16-year-old boys; John Mayeski and Michael Baker…as well as the man who was convicted and executed for their murders - 25-year-old Robert Alton Harris. We think that one of the most disturbing elements of this case is the fact that Harris had no regard for human life and had killed someone just a few years prior to this as well. Harris attempted every way possible, to not be put to death; he was the hero (according to his testim...
Oct 28, 2020•50 min
We are back for another listener request episode! And for those of you who are devoted listeners; you’ve already “met Lily” in our interview episode! Definitely check that episode out - and there will be links in the show notes to find her book - Teen Killers Club. Today though, we will be discussing a case that Lily finds pretty interesting. And honestly, I do as well. I think there are several super disturbing aspects to this case. So, before really delving into the case details...for those wh...
Oct 23, 2020•1 hr 40 min
In episode 5 of Season 4; Rachelle discusses the 1984 murder and mutilation of 28-year-old George Grant Crooks as well as the man who was convicted AND executed for it; Robert Dale Conklin. This case is pretty messed up (which is really no different than any other case on the show)…so, take this as your warning. Have you heard of Joel Guy? Well; think about that but a bit more in depth. Conklin tried to claim self-defense as well as pointing to the death of Crooks as an accident. However, the ju...
Oct 19, 2020•20 min
In this very special episode; Heather is joined by yet another author! This time, the author is Lily Sparks and she describes her new book: Teen Killers Club – which hits shelves everywhere, on November 10, 2020! In Lily’s own words: “Teen Killers Club, (Crooked Lane/Penguin Random House) is really is built on the theme Nature vs. Narcissism: it's set in a world where convicted killers have their internet activity run through an algorithm and then are classed from A-F based on criminal potential...
Oct 17, 2020•43 min
In episode 4 of Season 4; Heather discusses the 1981 manslaughter of Dedra Pettus and the 1989 murder of Gloria Jean Leathers - as well as the woman who was convicted AND executed for one of their deaths; Wanda Jean Allen. This case has plenty of mitigating factors and in today’s society; I don’t think that it would have turned out the way that it did. However, on January 11, 2001, the courts didn’t see it that way and Allen – after 12 years on death row; was executed by the State of Oklahoma. T...
Oct 07, 2020•34 min
In episode 3 of Season 4; our Rachelle discusses the 1984 murders of 35-year-old John Dale Dotson and 32-year-old James Wayne "Jimmy" Porter as well as the man who was convicted AND executed for their murders; Edmund Zagorski. This was a very interesting case; to say the least. Some of the mannerisms and actions of Zagoski were of the most interesting. Was he a mercenary? Was he in fear of his own life? Were these the ONLY serious crimes that he had ever committed? So many questions. Not enough ...
Sep 23, 2020•22 min
In episode 2 of Season 4; Heather discusses the 2001 double murders of 21-year-old Ronald Whitehead and 19-year-old Bethena Brosz as well as the man who was convicted AND executed for their murders; Steven Michael Woods, Jr. This is another case that has some twists and turns leading some to believe that Woods didn’t actually commit the murders. However, the courts didn’t see it that way and Woods was executed by the Texas Department of Justice in September of 2011. Although this case has a lot ...
Sep 14, 2020•26 min
In episode 1 of Season 4; our Rachelle discusses the 1989 murder of Helen Bass as well as the man who was convicted AND executed for her murder; Odell Barnes, Jr. There are a lot of twists and turns in this case - including some serious reasonable doubt that garnered international media attention. But what may be even more interesting than the fact that investigators could determine the age of Helen's lamp...may quite possibly be Odell's choice of a last meal. Promo: https://augiepeterson.wordpr...
Aug 31, 2020•31 min
$20,000 Dollar Reward to Help bring her home Hear the story from the family that is actively looking for her, the struggle to get help from their local police, and what you can do to help bring Ashley Morin Home https://www.facebook.com/bringashleymorinhome/ Tipline Email: shorturl.at/pHKMX Saskatchewan Crime Stoppers: 1-800-222-8477 https://www.p3tips.com/tipform.aspx?ID=206#...
Aug 04, 2020•34 min
In this listener request episode, Heather is joined by Melissa MORGAN Humphreys (hump-freeeeeze) of the Just the Tip-sters Podcast. FINALLY!! We have been wanting to collaborate for about a year and a half? We will be discussing the murder OR death of Lana Clarkson. Some say murder, while others say death…because of the details and lack of evidence. This is a case that was presented to me back in Season 2 as a listener request and I asked Melissa if she would like to cover it with me. Which, I’m...
Jun 30, 2020•1 hr 43 min
In episode 12 of Season 3; our season FINALE, we will discuss Sante Kimes. Sante Kimes is much easier to say than the mouthful of a name she was born with – Sandra Louise Singhrs. She was born on July 24, 1934 in Oklahoma City, OK. Sante was kind of a badass…but not in the good way; if there is a good way. She was motivated by money and would hurt whomever she had to in order to get what she wanted. Sante was eventually convicted of two murders, robbery, forgery, violation of anti-slavery laws, ...
Jun 29, 2020•37 min
In this listener request episode, Heather is joined by Jon Towers of the Abracast Podcast. We will be discussing the Smiley Face Killers…or rather, the theory that they exist. This is a case that Jon presented to me back in Season 2 and he has some interesting insights and connections to different locations within the case(s). In 2008, retired New York Police Department detective Kevin Gannon and his team of investigators went public with their theory and have attempted to prove the existence of...
Jun 26, 2020•1 hr 35 min
In episode 11 of Season 3, we will discuss Clementine Barnabet; or should we say, Clementine BarnaBRAT?! This is another older case…so the exact day that Clementine was born on, is unclear. However, we do know that she was born sometime in 1894. Clementine was a serial killer and a cult member…who established the “Church of Sacrifice” with her father. This doesn’t sound scary at all…we’d totally attend every Sunday…NOT! Clementine confessed to 35 murders; 17 of which she committed by herself. Th...
Jun 22, 2020•30 min
In this listener request episode, we will be discussing a case that Ashley (from our previous bonus episode - The Serial Killer Cookbook: Interview with author Ashley Lecker) presented to me a few months back. We will be talking about the Back 40 Murder of Margaret Anderson. Which was a VERY VERY brutal crime. This is your warning now…if you can’t stomach brutal details; maybe skip this episode. It actually made Heather a bit uneasy to discuss. But, if you’re a trooper and you want to listen to ...
Jun 19, 2020•1 hr 45 min
GoodPods set up an awesome event and invited Josh Mankiewicz to discuss his new podcast “Motive for Murder”. There ended up being more hosts than time allotted; so, the hosts (Heather, included) were able to sit in and have a Meet & Greet via Zoom with Josh! This audio can be found on Patreon! The actual discussion with Josh - where he talks about his podcast AND answers our questions - is what you're listening to right now! Enjoy! Be sure to check out Motive for Murder Podcast and head over...
Jun 18, 2020•40 min
