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Okay, well, welcome home, everybody. That was a mess. But this is episode sixty three of Native Landpod, where we give you our breakdown on all things politics and culture and I'm very, very fortunate to be here with you today with my co host Tiffany Cross and Angelo Rye. Ladies, how are you greats.
I'm just letting freedom ring out here in these plagiaris streets.
Yeah, helloy, they letting snowfall down here in Florida. So anything is possible.
Anything, Everything clearly goes in his day and age.
I'm telling you, I'm reminded this morning when I woke up and saw this white in the yard, in the streets of my grandmother saying we living in our last days.
And evil days.
I just want to tell the audience what they just heard, because not everybody watched the inauguration, but obviously Martin Luther King day has passed, and so we started the show with the authentic words of doctor Martin Luther King. But what you heard immediately following that was a plagiarizer, essentially, this preacher that Donald Trump invited to inauguration this past weekend, which I know a lot of you did not watch. But for the few of you who did, who was
cause playing Doctor King in the most disrespectful way. So I don't know, Angela, the King family can sue, but it certainly seems like he did not give credits to the originator of those beautiful words and the.
Middle of a quote prayer right supposed to be praying?
Yeah, I think that he was praying. He was also performing. He did a little praise dance. He was might have whatever. Anyway, point is, I don't know who goes to this man congregation, but please call him for for an altar call.
What are we talking about?
What are we talking about?
What do y'all have? Tell me?
Well?
I want to get into briefly if there's time, because we had a lot to get to in the show, So if there's time, I want to talk about the end the federal government ending the work from home policy as soon as Donald Trump took office. I'm curious what you guys think about work from home policies because this
is something that people are split on. But I really want to dive deeper into that and explain to the audience what this could mean for our politics, but more importantly, what it could mean for DEI initiatives.
Nice, Nice, Angela.
I want to talk about pardons.
We know that the president, no matter who it is, has the full pardon power constitutionally, and I want to talk about how Joe Biden chose to use his pardon power in his final days, even his final hours, versus how Donald Trump chose to use his pardon power even both of them on January sixth, related issues in his first few hours as president.
Yeah, well, Ronning, I guess the conversation. I love, love, love for us to engage on this topic of how black folks are supposed to interact with this new administration working together? We not? Are there common causes? Are there?
Not?
Are their minstrels and useful tools in the middle of this? And could progress in some way be gained without losing our self respect, our dignity, uh, and obviously our commitment to our democracy and to our people. So I want to get into that with y'all. Two, So let's get it started.
So, you guys, I have been.
Really kind of filling the conundrum of sadness. You guys know, I've been trying to be on my workout kick. I've been so frustrated over the last couple of days. I don't think I can remember a more miserable MLK day. And I think as much as I hoped that we would go out on a high note, I felt like the Biden administration ended with such a lull cloud hovering over it, and then we welcomed in Armageddon. So I just I feel really frustrated about what happened with the pardons.
I want to go to like the low lower level of frustration and then the high level of what was to come, just in terms of chronology. But I just want to acknowledge first something positive, y'all know. I like to start with the good. The thing that I believe the Biden administration got right about the pardon power was pardoning a preemptive pardon, which is unprecedented for the January sixth Committee witnesses, and yeah, the staff and the members,
and I think that that was necessary. You guys know my biases. Congressman Thompson, his family. To me, he was a remarkable chair of that special committee, and I was terrified of what would happen to him, in particular in the Trump administration. So he was Joe Biden was pressured to protect him, and it took a lot of pressure.
To be clear, it wasn't an easy lift, but.
It didn't take as much pressure for him to pardon his siblings, which I've never heard anyone mention were in harm's way, But he pardoned all of his siblings. Not himself, not his wife, not his daughter, but all of his siblings, many of whom I've never heard of as well. That day, what he did not do was pardon our good sister,
our friend, Marilyn Moseby. Ninety seven plus thousand people in this country signed on to a Color of Change petition supporting a pardon for Marilyn Moseby for withdrawing her own money out of her own retirement account after being in the crosshairs of the Trump administration for many years, and despite Marilyn Moseby having the same same prosecutor on her case, Leo Wise, as Hunter Biden did in his case, they
could not see a connection. I'm going to go into the details of that in just a moment, but I will say I will draw a contrast with that into what Donald Trump's administration does for the people who ride with him, for the people who rode with him up to January sixth, to stop the steal, to steal things off of Nancy Pelosi's desk, to wreak havoc to the point where Lisa Blunt Rochester, who is now a black senator from the first from Delaware to be driven to
her hands and knees to pray for their safety against violence of a mob of terrorists of insurrectionists. On January sixth, twenty twenty one, he said, I got you, you had my back. I'm going to pardon all of you and commute the sentences of thirty plus people for the actions they took on January sixth, twenty twenty one. Meanwhile, meanwhile, the Biden administration's bar and standard for what it requires for a black person in this country to have gotten a pardon is impossible.
It is impossible.
What happened in the White House over the last several weeks is an abomination.
And I'm talking about the ways in which.
Black staff, black appointed officials in the Biden administration had to go to bat for Marilyn Moseby versus the white staff in the administration. Y'all should be ashamed of y'all goddamn selves. Like truly, there's no reason that you can tell me that an individual who was selling kids virtually to a for profit entity should have gotten a sentencing commutation.
But you can't see the fact that you're all of the legacy of this administration in justice reform was built on the backs of prosecutors like Marilyn Moseby and Kim Gardner and Kim Fox and Araon miss Ayala and yes, Kamala Harris. And when in twenty twenty Kamala Harris was running, Marilyn Moseby had her back to ensure that the general public knew that she.
Was not a top cop, that she was a progressive prosecutor.
So to watch Maryland to left to be hung out to drive for this because the people who continued the case were Biden administration appointees and they didn't want to leave the judge with egg on her face, and they didn't want to leave Eric barn with egg on his face. So now the person who actually had our backs is left hanging out to dry. I got major beef with it, I really really do. And I think it is massively unfortunate, and you so negligent and reckless.
You're black folks, who who is? Can you just tell us you said somebody was selling kids to for profit? That person got a pardon? Who is that you've got? Sorry? I just want just for me and the other listeners who don't know what you're referencing. Can you tell us who that.
There's a cash for kids scandal that existed in Pennsylvania. If somebody has a moment, particularly on our production team, to look up the name of the judge. It is a very well known case in the Pennsylvania area.
The judge was not pardoned. I don't believe I used those words.
If I did, you're talking about, yes, the judge was taking paid right they were, Yes, I know who you're talking about. Okay, I've had something completely different in mind.
Cash just yeah, Google cash for kids listeners.
Yeah, it's it's a well known scandal in the Pennsylvania I did not if I said that he was pardoned. I apologize. I thought I said that his sentence was community.
You probably, which is I'm a misunderstood.
Okay.
I'm trying to pause because they said they were mad they couldn't hear us last week, so I make sure I cut y'all off. So I want to make sure your thoughts are complete. I'm done with my rant. I'm just gonna repeat myself because I'm pissed.
Well, I just you know, really quickly, can you say, because you said Eric Barron and not everybody knows who that is. He is the person who replaced her in Baltimore.
No, he's not so.
Eric so the US attorney who was appointed after Robert Hirk, who was the special prosecutor on the Joe Biden classified documents case who said he was too old to a stand trial, and Steve Shinning were the bosses of Leo Wise under the Trump administration in the District Attorney's office in Maryland. When Joe Biden came in, he appointed a new US attorney by the name of Eric Barron. He is a former state legislator in Maryland. He's someone who Marilyn worked hand in hand with. Eric did not drop
those charges. I suspect it is because there was going to be a revolt by all the white boys in that office who were under the Trump administration and stayed just like Leo did. Under Eric, he demoted Leo, but they raised telling that office and said if he removed Leo from that case, they were all going to leave. And so I believe that Eric kept the case going because of that. Eric and the judge both worked for Joe Biden in the Senate. She worked on the Ethics Committee.
Eric worked on the Judiciary committee or worked with Joe Biden during the Barack Obama transition. Eric went to the transition team and worked to help get Lydia Griggsby her first judicial appointment, which was in the bankruptcy court space. She has no criminal criminal court experience whatsoever, no criminal law experience.
That is the judge.
Those are two Biden appointees who I suspect this is not what was reported to me, but I suspect that was the reason, an additional reason beyond this public corruption bucket that they forced her into that they didn't want to pardon Maryland.
Well, I know that's a lot of weaving, but I think is important so people know how this works. You know that everybody had a role to play and to pay attention to who these judges are that are being nominated and who you know US attorney and State's attorney. These are people, these are elected positions, So that's what that matters. I just wanted to remind our audience about j six because you brought that up. And Donald Trump, as you all know at this point this week, pardoned
every single person who was involved in January sixth. He said he wasn't going to pardon people who were violent and that's not true, and I want to remind you. Pam Bondi, who is his nominee for attorney General, faced confirmation hearing this month. Last week and she was asked about pardoning January sixth people, particularly those who were violent against law enforcement. I want you to take a listen to her answer.
I just want a flag for you. He did not pardon every single person. He also commuted some of the sentences. I think it's fourteen people, so I just want to make sure that was a good point.
But either way, they either were free at this point.
So the House arrest bracelets exactly exactly.
So take a listen to what Trump's nominee for attorney general has to say when she's asked about people who are violent with law enforcement. Let me be very clear in speaking to you, I condemn any violence on a law enforcement officer in this country. So she condemns any violence on a law enforcement officer in this country. I want you all to take a listen to this harrowing
testimony from officer Michael Fanone. You've seen him a lot for the past four years, five years, now listen to what he experienced on that fateful day on January sixth, twenty twenty one.
I was struck with a taser device at the base of my skull numerous times, and they continued to do so until I yelled out that I have kids. I remember one of them distinctly lunging at me time and time again, trying to grab my gun. And I heard people in the crowd yelling get his gun, killing with his own gun.
So you hear the hypocrisy here. And I have to tell you, Angela, you know, being part of the ninety two percent, and the things that black women do for this country and the little reward, the little thanks that we get. And I don't even want to make this a party thing. I mean to me, it's just from the country. Because Marylynd is a mother of two. This
should be something that everybody cares about. This isn't a you know, a Republican can go through this, a white woman can go through this, but somehow, oh, when it's a black woman, it is this shoulder shrug, move on,
We don't care. And I take your point about White House staff, whatever you're willing to share about that, but I think that's so disappointing because it speaks to what happened on the campaign, like, we have to fight within the fight to advocate for ourselves, and the finding out part is going to suck for all of us, especially those of us who didn't fuck around, And to know that there are so many people with in the administration
who did is disappointing. And before you all start with the comments on y'all democratic shields and you didn't know and blah blah blah, ain't nobody here a spokesperson for the party. We are all here advocating for the health
and benefit of black people. And though Maryland's case is something that Angelo worked really hard on to bring to the light, I do want to acknowledge that there are still over one hundred thousand black men and women who have had their liberty taken away, who are living in unconstonable circumstances in these prisons, from finding roaches in your food, to not having access to healthcare, to women miscarrying in prison,
to violence from corrections officers, violence from fellow prisoners. Our criminal justice system is god awful and it's only going to get worse under this administration.
I'll just say one Angela, I hear your passion, and obviously your outrage and all of it is merited, and I want to thank you, just again, out loud and in public for everything that you did to shine a light on this case and for me, while I love Marilynd Moseby to the hills and back, she is representative of a public official mustering up, summoning the courage required
necessary to take on institutional racism in the system. And when she announced prosecution of those law enforcement officers, it was a shot over the bow their direction that anywhere they exist in this country, that they will be held accountable if they run a foul of the law, even
if you have a badge. And to me, that's the underlining through line that runs through through We can hear all the stories that are out there, but I think the through land that runs against why she could not be pardoned is because we've got these Democrats, Republicans and everything on the other side and in between, who will never, ever, ever truly commit to holding law enforcement accountable to the same rules and standards as we as everyday regular people
are held in America. They drew a line when they went after Maryland, in the state of Maryland and her own seat, and they were not going to make it possible for an example to be set that a woman who went after law enforcement who prosecuted them for bad and illegal behavior would be able to come out on the other side and say victory was had. They were
never going to make that possible and unfortunate. It's unfortunate, But more importantly, I think it will send a chilling signal to anyone else who wants to be the next Maryland to not even try it.
That's right, all right.
I know we got a lot going on in this podcast. On the other side of this break, we're going to talk about black engagements, and we're gonna get into some of these celebrities who performed at the inauguration. So don't go anywhere. We'll be right back.
It's not political for me.
For me, the political part is over.
He won.
And you know, growing up, I was taught to respect the office. So you know, Nelly's here and.
You did get a little backlash, but you were like, whatever.
I don't I don't care, I'm doing what I want to do.
This is this is I'm not gonna beut words in your mouth.
But you you were really cool about it. You handled it well. You came forward and you talked about it. A lot of people wouldn't do that. Why why did you come forward and talk about it?
Well, because I think it's important that, you know, we show some people have their own opinions about things, you know, and sometimes things can get a little bit hazy and in a way that everybody feels the same way about everything, and that's just not it. I think certain people have an outlook and I've always believed that you got to
walk through the fire sometimes to get results. And regardless of what you feel about it, we as a people, and I mean, you know, my heritage as far as being African American, we've always had to work with people that we may not have always agreed with to get things done. And I think that struggle continues. But at the end of the day, if the men and women of this country can put their life on the line for a president that they may not have voted for, I.
Can definitely perform.
Ya.
So that was artist Nelly giving response in an interview he did a couple of those following his performance during the inaugural activities for Donald Trump. A lot has been said about him and Snoop and others who have who have participated, who showed up, who in some cases said kind things about Donald Trump. Angela, I know you had a clip of of of snoop that you wanted to throw into Can we can we talk of that real quick?
I remember when we were kids. I don't know where you're from. It's probably different when we were kids. No white kids wanted to be black. None of them now braids tattoos.
So you want to call each other that word?
Hello?
Yeah, So what do you think that's doing to their people up top? So brainwise, you get what I'm saying. So we got to restore order because in a minute, they gonna be politicians and if they acting like niggas, then they're gonna be looking out for niggas.
I understand.
So we need to funck this shit back up so that way they can get back in their mind that they against us. When that's it's too late now because you have so many inner relation interracial relationships, and people who have became family members. My grandson is white.
I'm inter racial. I'm black and white.
My grandson is white, so I have no racism in me. I love white people, but I don't like Donald Trump.
So that was Donald Trump I'm sorry. I was Snoop making some comments about Donald Trump, and that.
Was from Yeah not that was not recent. I just was saying, that's not that's not a recenter. That's the same interview where he said, you know, if you're you know, if people are pushing back on me for not liking Donald Trump, your listeners are racist, that kind of thing. So it's but those clips have been overplayed. I think that it is important in this discussion to be able
to hold space for nuance. I'm gonna say some stuff that I don't agree with because I'm conflicted, and I'm definitely gonna say some stuff that y'all don't agree with.
Yeah, no, that's real. Well let me just example because
Ilhan Omar tweeted out. Congresswoman Omar tweeted out about all the outrage that was being projected at entertainers who were at the inauguration, appearing in either in support or certainly in contract labor to the inauguration of Donald Trump, and she said, we're making all this noise about the artists, but what about the elected members of Congress, elected officials who went out and told America to be worried about this fascist who made the choice to be in attendance
at the inauguration, So y'all, I know y'all saw the heat coming down. I know you've probably had your own observations of what happened if you individually watched. I'm curious to know, one, what do you think about the clips that you heard. Nellie's obviously is in direct response to this moment, snoops is he actually has not, as so far as I could tell, made a public comment about his participation in the inauguration, so we pulled from previous comments.
But how are you feeling about it? What did you think? I will just first positive that I was probably most demoralized, not by any of those comments necessarily, but by the pastor who we played at the beginning. My spirit was totally shook because I saw an arresting of the spirit in the moral of doctor King being leveraged toward the most antithetical figure today in American politics to what King's
vision was, and that felt like a low moment. I'm curious to know if there was one like that for y'all, or and or how y'all responded to this one.
I'll stay on topic for this one. With these clips we just heard from Nelly and Snoop Dogg, and I think the most disheartening thing for me about hearing that is the ignorance that is on display from both of them. I don't think performing for Donald Trump at inauguration is analogous to the people who serve in armed services by any means. I'm so disappointed to hear how Snoop Dogg
describes his childhood. That may have been his experience, but certainly white kids wanted to be black when we were younger in the eighties, they were in the rap music, break dancing, they were wearing black hairs out There's never been a time wear right like literally since we've come here, all the swagger and and everything we bring, all the culture we bring to this country has always been widely celebrated by people, not just across the country, but across
the globe. And I wish he had that level of pride and and and level of information and knowledge uh and was intellectually curious about it, which which he painfully isn't. I did note that Nelly made his rounds, he didn't sit across from anybody black. I would have loved for Nelly to sit across from Joy Read on MSNBC and have a conversation with her, Like, you know, sitting across from a black woman is going to be a drastic
We're not going to go for the bullshit. So everything you say you have to now stand on business and defend it. So it's just disappointing to be honest with you. You know, we talked and even with with Congressman Ilhan Omar. It's no disrespect to her, but I think it's quite the assumption that black folks do not hold that outrage for those elected officials, for those folks in business. I wonder what black people she's referencing, what black people she's
talking to on this very show. We have had all the smoke for people who show up. We have in the comments, people have smoke for people who show up. People we talked to in our group chat have felt away about not only the elected officials who are engaging this administration as though it's normal, but also for entertainers. I don't really expect a lot from entertainers, but I do expect some level of acknowledgment of all the policies that will directly harm these people. Can I just say
this about Snoop really quickly. He's also he disappointed me. During the LA Mayor's race, he supported Rick Crusoe, who was running against h then Congresswoman Karen Bass, who for the mayor of La. Rick Crusoe is a billionaire developer. He's known for he built the grow for our West Coast friends. He's was a candidate but also a former Republican who switched parties not before he ran. He was the former UH president of the LA Board of Police Commissioners.
He was a cop lover who promised to massively fund the LA PD. Now we all remember Snoop's music and things that he said. He had a lot of fear mongering over this dubious crime wave that was happening in LA. And when it came down to what he actually did for community, it was, you know, billionaire stuff, tax deductible
contributions to protect him. And I remember Snoop. I can't remember the interview, so forgive me if this is not accurate, but there was something that Snoop asked him for that he did something for his football team or a field. And I remember hearing this, like my gid, they bought you cheap. If that's all it took for you to endorse this man because you picked up the phone and asked him for something and he called you back. They
bought you cheap. And I think when we organize, particularly as black women and black men, all the black men who are, you know, right beside us in this fight, when we organize, we do so with the greater community in mind. So I don't know, I don't like it. I just I want these rappers to just if you don't know, shutting up is free fifty cent Kodak Black, Nellie Lowel, Wayne Sexy Red. I think she later changed the baby and Snoop. This is just a handful of
people who I have zero interest in. I would defy them to have some sort of intellectual conversation with anybody. But they're out there talking politics and being uplifted like mascots for white folks, and I find it gross.
I first wanted to just acknowledge that il Han's statement was not directed at black people. She was saying people generally in her tweet. I think, oh, she's not gonna mind, She's not gonna mind. I think that it's important that we consider that there are multiple people on every side of this that haven't had the same smoke, So we say for all of the parties involved. I will say also, this idea of buying you cheap is a bi partisan problem, right.
Some of what I think I'm really wrestling right now is we have for a long time if you reference it all the time too, in conversations that you've had with LB our friend Latasha Brown, who runs and is a co founder Black Voters Matter, that we are often voting as a part of a harm reduction strategy. But what happens when the harm is not really really deuce? What happens when the hemorrhage turns into a slow bleed, but you're bleeding no less, we're all boy for cheap.
There were people calling Bill Clinton the first black president because this motherfucker's playing a saxophone.
So how cheap is that? You know what I'm saying? Like he didn't even buy nothing, like he just oh he doubt for us?
Why look at the welfare laws, look at the crime bills, right Like, let's be kind of foral about that. So I think what I'm really wrestling with here is when you have people in elected office who or who are running for office, who are paying attention to your needs on a micro level. I'm not talking about a macro level, and you finally get the attention that you know that you deserve on a micro level, and you prioritize your
politics best based on that micro level interest. I am frustrated about it, but I get it, and I can
use as an example. I'm so glad we talked about the pardon power first because I can use an example my rhetoric right now about the Biden administration based on the fact that they did not pardon Maryland Moseby and what that means to me figuratively, despite having done the right thing for Marcus Garvey, who I would argue, I understand that's what his family wanted, but I would argue Marcus Garvey would be way more for the liberation of black people who are still alive than clearing his record,
because he's a hero to us, no matter what Black History Month or not, whether it's that or it's the fact that there are people the CBC members who begged the Biden administration for executive order after executive order, or its Arian Simone who is fighting with every penny she had to protect the Fearless Fund, trying to fund us and couldn't get an executive action out of the administration for that. So your lip service is great, but your public service ain't.
And then the people.
Who don't do either. I don't know that it's not that much worse. And so when we talk about Snoop, and this is my personal bias, my blind spot, my point of hypocrisy, I love Snoop personally, I am frustrated by the decision he made to perform at an unofficial event during the inauguration, which is the Crypto Ball. The man who ran that ball is a former executive from PayPal. I don't know their business dealings. I suspect there is something.
And then Nelly performed in an official event. Rick Ross also went to the Crypto Ball. I got personal beef with Rick Ross Andrew, as you know, because he wouldn't come through to your election eve concert unless he was paid and fly down a fly flut flute out.
He was trying to get flued out.
So for me, I've seen where right the capitalism comes into play. I understand their goals, and I also understand that many of their goals are to aid and support their community. I know firsthand the stuff that Snoop does for the community. I also know that some of the bias exists. The same way that I said, I would be going Capen probably a little bit harder for this administration that they've done the right thing for Maryland. At the end, he softened his tone and his rhetoric about
Donald Trump because Harry Oh means everything to him. Harry oways pardon at the end of Donald Trump's tenure. I understand the shift. I don't like it because my big letter politics always will supersede my little p politics. But that is something that I've learned from having worked in this space. That is a point of privilege that I have.
I would rather engage in conversation with my brother and figure out all of his why than to tear him down anymore in the public because I know the things that he's done for our folks far outweigh this moment.
I do not like it.
I would have preferred that he steered clear, you know, But at the end of the day, these are the decisions they made. I respected what Nelly said. I still wish that he didn't go. I understand, you respect the office. I try to respect the office. Right now, I'm having a hard time because I don't respect the office holder. I think that he's trying to undo democracy. It is hard for me to look at everything that happened in the last Trump administration and give this dude a pass.
And that said, Andrew said he wanted to call this black engagement with this administration.
What does that look like?
We really do need to have that conversation because what we can't do for four years is just bash everything. We have to have somebody or somebody's to go in there and have a conversation. It could be a harm reduction conversation, it could be a progress conversation. If Marilyn told me that she's open to a pardon by this administration, there's somebody I got to send in there to have that conversation. But at the end of the day, justice
isn't beholden to a party. Liberation isn't beholden to a party. It is It is only incumbent upon us to ensure that we are always advocating for the best interests of black people. Now, when your personal interest get in the way of that, we got a problem, and we at least need to have a conversation.
But this seems interesting because our in All Youration episode, I was reading the comments and everybody kept saying, yes, Angela agree with you. Angela gradually make a point and I was like, what, I don't even remember because we had so many conversations. I'm like, what is you saying. I watched and you did have all the smoke for people who sat down with Trump. You had all the smoke for President Biden for even sitting next to him.
And it does sound a little bit like you're giving Snoop a pass or you're giving Nelly a pass when I don't know what they've done to earn that pass. Like to me, I just I just.
Tried to explain it, like I think, to me, I heard that.
But you're but what you're doing is extending them understanding that you you are not quick to extend other people if they're Their intention is oh, I needed this one thing, and I was willing to go out there and tap dance and shuck and jy for the white man because he gave me this one thing. That's how I look at it. Then, that is that's kind of a challenge. That's to say, well, I get it because you wanted this one thing, But to like literally like like scream
about Joe Biden even sitting next to him. I just I don't to me that is those those two points run contrary to each other, I.
Think I I think I tried to say at the beginning, I am resting in contradiction, contradiction, hypocrisy myself. I tried to articulate that at the beginning, trying to do that. Now, what I'm saying is if I were in the same boat wanting a pardon, which I did for Marilyn Moseby, my rhetoric sounds remarkably different right now. My sentiment towards the Biden administration is remarkably different right now than had
that pardon been received. I can still acknowledge that, I think God, that Katanji Brown was at the inauguration, rock and Cowrie Shells, I can still acknowledge those things. And I think that part of what happens with us and that cheapens discourse is we lack any ability to have
a nuanced conversation. I have a different set of standards for people who are in elected office and who told us something very specific about this man and how dangerous he is, things that you and I all know and Andrew all know firsthand we witness the attack on our brother under that administration. So I'm clear about the dangers
of it. I'm not clear if they know. That's why I said, I and this may have gotten FoST in all the other is that I said, But I said, I want to have a conversation to be like, why, what beyond here go? What beyond respecting the office? What are you seeing is the opportunity for you being there? What policy priorities are you planning to carry in to this administration to help liberate black people? And if you're not, please tell me why you thought going to do this was going to help.
I think if we had played that Snoop sound bite in the same fashion that we played the you know, the alleged Trump supporters on the Chicago street, or if he was just a random person on the street and you heard him say I love white people. I'm not raising my grandson is white. By the way, if he's your biological grandson, Snoop, he's black Racio.
He was talking about mixed families. He said, yeah, anyway, it's fine if.
That's the biological grandson. Your grandson is black.
If it's not as.
Violent are you and that I'm saying. I think he was trying to make a point that there's now a white person in his fan so he loves white people, not Donald Trump. Either way, it's not ignorant to me. And also I disagree around the point of I do think that white kids want to be more black now, at least on the West Coast, than they did when we were growing up.
Snoop is older than me.
But I think that's absolutely the case. I can show you proof of that, so that has that has shifted.
But but you're saying that more white kids today one of the black than they did in the safties, when the when the radio in the seventies. But there's I mean, there's reading, there's documentaries, there's so much.
I'm not talking about them culturally appropriating our stuff. I think that there's a distinction, and I do think that on the West Coast it is probably a little bit different. It's different on the East Coast for sure. From my experience in being in DC or on the mid Atlantic region, it's different.
I think they've always wanted to be black. But we can disagree there. But I was leaking, is Snoop. I think if he weren't Snoop and we just heard that sound bite. I wonder if we would have that same understanding, if we are willing to extend that same grace to somebody who isn't a personal friend or somebody who's not in the public eye.
I told you no, I told you I know firsthand the stuff that he's done, and that clip was to show that he liked he does not. He said he did not like Donald Trump at that point. He's now since then said he has love for Donald Trump because of what he did for his friend.
Here he go, and you the same way with Caruso, who was running out.
I don't have I don't have anything that. I don't know that, dude, I don't know that. But you know Congressoman Karen Bass and but what.
But so, here's the.
Other part that we're gonna have to wrestle with at some point, probably a larger podcast. Most elected officials don't reach out to entertainers and communities the way Andrew Gilliam did.
That is the truth. That is something that has to be wrestle.
With as a result of that, when people pounce on your weakness and they go to people and go to fortify and build relationships with folks. People like to be in close association and proximate to positions of power, no matter what, they're.
Willing to be used.
I don't think that. I don't think that it's always about being used. I think it's a transaction. There's a reason why CBC founder said no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests. Okay, so I'm just saying that's something that we're being mastered. But he was at an unofficial event.
I'm narrating that. I'm raising my hand for y'all who are listening and can't see.
I'm gonna call my friend Snoop and we'll be back.
I actually really wanted to approach this conversation from a place of listening, because I think you all predict very often that I'm always gonna come down on the side of whatever is the norm and the status quo, which of course I take issue with. But what I do think is what I said here on this platform before, and that is that people are extreme aly self interested
and there's no color. You know, there's there's there's no there's no blindness to color, no regard rather for for for color in regards to our interests uh and having our needs met. And so, for instance, in Florida, when I went to a certain well known you know, rapper, one of the OG's names, I.
Won't Luke Campbell. I was about Luke. They weren't gonna do it, So I did. That's tag team.
But to to meet, you know, with certain people, particularly artists entertainers on the early end, for me, I had I had to buy bungalows and lunch and all kinds of other things that I admittedly said on the phone. My campaign can't afford, and neither can I. And so if there's not another option, we're not gonna be able to meet. And then you dig a little bit deeper into the relationship of why you would choose this person to get behind over me, who I think best represents
what your lived experiences has been. Why do you make that choice? And it is when I needed such and such and suchance that you gave my football. My distances is that or this, and you're in And I almost I don't necessarily accept it as the as an appropriate answer, and I don't even know nobody's asking for my acceptance of it as an answer, but I do know this.
I get that when you have a direct example that you can make for what somebody has done for you, a lot of the other stuff falls by the wayside. And let me say this. We have movement leaders right now leading major civil rights organizations in this country who have gone lighter and there and their accountability for certain networks, the.
Whole dam thing.
Money, talk about the whole things, about the whole thing, Angela, the names of names, because.
I'm saying I'm sad.
It ain't just Snap, it ain't just Nearly And he's just the civil rights leaders. It ain't just the mayors, it ain't just the state reps.
It ain't right, it's just my people.
But I got the dame for civil rights. I'm saying, smoke for people who are my friends. I got the
same smoke for people who are my enemies. If you are willing to parade yourself out there like a mascot, looking like a fool, in my opinion, at the risk and damage that this administration is about to do to black people because somebody lets you perform, or somebody puts your money in your pocket, and he's about to send people to the slaughter who are in prisons right now because he part in your one friend and you were
okay with that. He is ripping families apart at the border, ripping babies apart from their parents, and you okay with that because he gave you your friend aparty.
I don't here, I have never or i've never nat.
I have never said Angela, it's about it, but showing up.
I understand your administration, I understand your perspective.
It is a disgrace of the ancestors. And thank god there were people who have more principal, who were who were not so cheaply bought to to not stand on the same stage as other people who were just as harmful. Perhaps and perhaps perhaps you were on some bullshit and you look like.
It. Also could also could be that there are some people who haven't had their needs yet directly met and so they can still act free. And the only I just want to reclaim time to simply say the point I was trying to make about the self interest here, and I made the same point when fifty and all these others had all this stuff that say said, y'all, fifty cent is in a different tax bracket than you, me and the rest of us. Is what he is what he might be getting by virtue of this person
being elected. We may never see and I ever understand.
I just think that was.
Exact sample all. I think from the beginning of time are you from the beginning of time a lot?
But I hear you.
I hear your point.
Okay, from the beginning of time?
What is.
The point is nuanced?
And I don't think I don't think it's nuanced. I actually think it's I think it is very very human, self individualized, personal self interest that drives every single person on human on earth. And what allows us to sort of go back big picture is when we remind ourselves that we are not in that class of people, that we're not that individual, we're not that person, we're not with the right party to get the privilege. And so we then fall back on the fact that we if
we're not writing together, we're not writing at all. But I promise you, when when folks find themselves in positions of power, when they find themselves either in it themselves in proximity to it, they look first to their own interests and to their own self preservation, and then lots of clever people get out there and decorate themselves as if they are riding for us. But in truth, we've seen them go hard against the opposition, and we know
what going hard looks like. So when we see you going light here, I can only draw one conclusion about why that is. And that isn't all you took money in the back of your pocket, but you got something. There was something here at works that you're not disclosing to the rest of us as to why it is you're giving these folks that pass. I applaud you, Angela
for at least announcing your contradiction. But for most of these folks, many of them who consider themselves leaders in our community, who we look to to be on the front lines on our behalf, go and they cheapen their position through what their gift, their exchange is going to be. And all I'm saying is I think everyone is possible for that level of subjugation. And two, it is incumbent upon every last, single one of us to help save
ourselves because they're not saving us. I can't put my faith in that anymore.
This is this is, this is the thing.
So there's a scripture that says, for what shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul. And I think that that own oxygen mask mentality has been removed from the aircraft and taken into community, and that's dangerous. Black people can't afford to put only our own oxygen mask on first, because the whole community needs oxygen that I'm not forgiving. It is one thing for you to say I appreciate this person for doing this one thing for me, and
for that I feel some type of a debt. But I'm gonna call out when you are doing immigration raids in my community, and I'm gonna call out when you tried to say COVID was a hoax and most of my people died. And I'm gonna call out like whatever what you did with abortion rights and access, and I'm gonna call like.
All of it. I think all of that needs to be called out.
It is fine for you to say I've benefited in that way this way, but it is not okay for you to turn a blind eye to everything else that happened. It is fine for you to say this happened, and then therefore I'm gonna do this, But I hope that you will not lessen your critique, that you will not lessen the ability to hold account like hold accountability in.
The same container as your praise. We do it all the time.
I just said at the beginning of the show, here's what the Biden administration got right. And now let me tell you all the things where I feel like they got wrong because it set us back. That's when I when I say nuance, that's what I mean. I am clear about what happens when we do self preservation first. That has always served us poorly. That is how we got across the Transatlantic okay, across the Atlantic Ocean and the Transatlantic slave trade.
That is not beneficial to us. I'm not okay.
All I'm telling y'all is I want to know why, and I want to know why firsthand, and I want to know how they're gonna make it right, because I do think they have an obligation to make it work right. What I would love to do, when we have some more time, is figure out all the ways that we can also hold the organizations who hold themselves.
In position sure yes, serve us and our needs to move our agenda forward.
The elected officials, the appointed officials, the leaders, all of these people. What is the standard of engagement with this administration. Some should boycott, some should only critique, but I hope that's not what we do on this podcast. I hope that we will uplift when things are challenging and how great that harm is to us. There was a listener
question that came in. I don't know if we got it to play it, but they had ideas about what we should be doing each week when the administration does something, how does it impact Black people at a disparate level. These things have to be taught. Even folks who are in high position, they don't always know. So, yeah, it's ignorant, but it's not even will for ignorance. It's like where do we go find this? We gonna bring it to you right here to ensure.
To find out Like that was one of my challenges when Steve Harvey went to meet with Donald Trump, Like why do you think you are the person to go sit at the table with Donald Trump and discuss policy when you are not a policy exit on literally anything.
So he was gonna give money to his camp. He told him he was gonna get money there, which has some.
I would say, you are being used and bought cheap. But I want to ask you to say, we go to the viewer question. So you have been working tirelessly on behalf of Marilyn Moseby, and like you, she is a client. Essentially, she's your client, but also your your boy pro bo no yes, but also our sister. You know who we support. If Donald Trump said, you know what I'm gonna give, I'm gonna give her a pardon. But you need to show up to this inauguration ball.
You have to deliver the pledge of allegiance and just don't say shit bad about me for the next year in twenty twenty six. You can say everything you want, but basically, I want you to show up to this ball.
I want you.
If I got the meet with black leaders at the White House, I want you there. I want to take a picture with you, and you got to post it on your Instagram and say thank you President Trump for this pardon.
Would you do it?
I would think I would think that I would find a way to get to yes. But I ain't doing none of this shit.
You just said.
I'm not. You would I can't, I can't, I can't, and I can't tell anybody that was a deal quiet about no, no, no, no, no, no, I I couldn't do it. But what I can tell you is.
We have had conversations with all of the options on the table, and a pardon for Donald Trump from Donald Donald Trump to for Maryland is not off the table.
I will tell you. I will tell you that.
To me, I don't care who the justice comes from and why the justice comes.
It just needs to come.
Now.
If in exchange for that, he wants me to lose my own soul, it's not happening. Like I just I can't do that. I don't I know what your point is. I'm interested that you. I'm not wired.
I'm not wired that way, Tiff, and I think the thing that we have to wrestle with as our obligation You too, Andrew, because you guys are also not this way. One of the things that I love about you guys is I know that it's never about self first.
And if there's ever a moment where I feel like I'm gonna go that way, I know that y'all will bring me back.
I think that everybody isn't so fortunate, so blessed to have that type of cocoon, and we have to figure out a way to make sure our folks know the history of what happens when we put self over culture or independence over interdependence. It does not work for Black people. You can go and try to fulfill the Caucasian blue Book if you want to, it ain't gonna work for you. It might work for a time, it might work for a season, it is not going to work for you
in the long run. And I think that's really what our folks are saying.
They're not.
Just enraged with Nelly, Rick Ross, Snoop fifty. They are hurt because these are people that they've counted on. Well maybe not Nellie, I love you, you know, use my fiance on TV, but respectfully, you don't have the same cultural uh you know, input, and you know, anyway, Snoop is Snoop and maybe arguably fifty. I think that people always trusted that they would get truth by any means necessary from Snoop, and I think that's what people are reflected.
So I mean, I'm looking forward to having a conversation with them about it and figure out where we go from here.
We got to go somewhere. We can't stay here to say't it?
At some point?
I wait, I wait, can I'll be quiet very patient with us. This whole episode.
Famous last week, so I tried to.
But I've apologizing to you, Andrew, because you have been very patient today. I just want to say, in all of our careers, but certainly mine and television, there were definitely pathways I could have taken if I wanted to be self interested. I want to host the Today Show. I want to earn seven figures. There were things that I didn't have to do or say. I didn't have to hold the line for the community on my show
to my own peril. There were things in life I could have taken different jobs for different companies and done communications for this company or outreached of this company. I've always wanted to live in service to black folks. I am convicted that I share this space with two co hosts who also feel that way, and so I do not have the same grace or understanding. I don't think
it's a bad thing to have it. I just personally do not have it, because when you have paid well, you've made that sacrifice and paid a price for it. I just think like I'm willing to bleed for my people. I'm willing to die for my people. I'm going to join a fight for my people. And if somebody came to me and said, I'm going to offer you this one breadcrumb if you would but sacrifice your people, I always knew I could always come home to community. The
favor and love from white corporate entities is fickle. They will love you on Monday and hate you by Friday. But there is nothing I can imagine that would be dangled before me that would make me want to sacrifice the genuine birthright of love that I have from my fellow black people, who I will always to the day I die, live in service to definite good point. And I think y'all both feel the same.
Way I do. And I know that we were going to push to another topic, but I just wanted to say, in practicality, the exchange the offer is very rarely, if ever, that obvious of quid pro quo. Almost always it is the exchanges is that the president is going to do he sees the injustice in your situation, and we're going to pardon you. And the reason why they don't expect anything on the back end is the symbolism of their
extension of that grace does the job for itself. It speaks volumes for us that when Kwame Killpatrick got pardon amongst rattlers and the Family Comity and a bunch of as alphas rama, folks really felt a sort of way because they know the effort and energy that went into the previous hitmentministration a Democrat and trying to get that same thing to have happened. And the commute correct right read the community of the sentence, and it didn't happen. And so Kwame didn't have to go out there and
hold a sign for Donald Trump. He didn't have to say a damn thing beyond that. The action in and of itself suggested to the people what that may have meant. And that's all I'm saying with regard to the example you gave around Maryland, it isn't going to be you know, if you do this, then you show up here, here, here, and here the extension of that grace to her. Let me tell you this, They're gonna let everybody know they did it. She's obviously going to let folks know that
she received one. And the action will speak for itself, and guess what, it will likely inure more people toward him because it will be a sign of what he has an appetite for the problem, of course that all of us are able to readily identify is that that is individual case, specifi selective. How do you say grace if I wanted to use that word very loosely. However, what isn't happening is that grace is not being extended to a system that is designed to produce this outcome
every single time you put the input in. When the input goes in, this is the exact outcome we're going to get. So the failure to to disrupt that system becomes then our greater community's responsibility to say, wow, thank you, you did the right thing here for Maryland. Now, let's talk about the incarceration rates, the over prosecution rates, the
over sentencing in our community. What we're going to do about that, because that is where the larger community issue exists, and us ripping fathers, brothers, sons, daughters, sisters away from their families because of a churning system that is insatiable. It will never be full. The appetite is never satisfied because the system wasn't designed to ever satisfy it. You just got to keep putting and puts in. I'm off
the ladder, y'all. But I just I can't help but think that one it is in Maryland's fault if she got a pardon through Trump. But I do know what the symbolism will send by way of a signal to the community. And I think the community's reaction or the community's response has to be that's good, you did a
good thing here. But now let's talk about the system and how we leveled it so that people like Maryland are not right back on the doorstep tomorrow morning, because we all know that's where it's gonna go.
That's just it to you, guys. This is honestly, honest to God, this is what I'm wrestling with.
It's not just these isolated instances or incidents with these rappers.
It is.
It is.
Two things in their contradictory. Again, sorry, I'm walking hypocrisy today.
I apologize. So yeah, all my gray areas, I'm in the gray to day. So there is this idea that.
Joe Biden had this bucket for public corruption, he wouldn't touch any public corruption cases even if they were CBC members who want supported him, from Kareem Brown to al Sie Hastings posthumously to whatever right with this administration that was sworn in on Mlkday, where anything goes where you can buy your way into the policy or the deregulation that you want the cloud around her to the general public then, and not just the Marylands of the world,
but the others who didn't receive the parties, the thousands that Tiffany talked about.
Let's say he does it.
What it says because of the image of this administration in my own mind is he lets all corruption go. So then these people who didn't deserve there to be there to begin with are now under this like they're associated with corruption bubba, which also sucks.
That's one thing.
The other thing that it does is, and this is the part that's enraging and really sad to me, is for the people who fought the artist to preserve the Democratic Party, to uplift the Democratic Party, to challenge it to be better, to contract with us, to hire us, to run us, to utilize us, to lift us up, to support our agenda.
We didn't really have audience there. We could talk, you would agree, Joe Biden. You would look in the faces of parishioners in church on Sunday in South Carolina and say you're gonna see what you can do for Maryland. You always do the right thing to say, but could never find the right thing to do or shouldn't say never. That's not true rarely, especially when it came time to talk about our justice.
That's the conundrum. I'm not trying to send people to the Republican Party. I definitely ain't seen justice there. But what happens if they start filling the holes, you know, of the places where we've been abused and misused and unheard and treated as invisible in this party.
I'm not gonna lie to y'all.
That scares me.
That scares me because I don't think it's better over there. But if over time the policies become better over there, Black people shouldn't be beholden to a party. They should be beholden to their collective interests. And I think there in lies the balance. Our collective interests have to pave the way, not our solo interests.
Yes, that's the busy stead and y'all, you know what, We've got a lot more on this, so our listeners, we're never gonna close this out because we have to wrestle with it. And guess what, I just agree. Sure, they're gonna be stages to this thing, because I've already seen the evolution Angela from last week to this week in some of your comments similar to what Tiffany has already highlighted, which I was.
If it was souper, I might not be there.
But that's honestly, but we're gonna hold you accountable to your say. Now see in the future, have that kind of grace with your brother who says I don't give a damn about a coffee.
No, I have grace for you saying you don't give a damn about a coffee. I think that grace for you saying it was fine. I just my only thing is I think that elected leaders have a different responsibility.
I hear you guys's point.
I think we have influence over again, I hear that people who have influence, I hear that.
I'm just saying, in order for them to properly leverage their influence, they have to be educated. And I don't think that it is an I don't think that it is a wanton disregard for education. I think that there's not been an opportunity.
Well, here's my one piece of advice to those individuals like ours. So joining entertainers in a generation before when they didn't know the particulars of the issues of the matters, they bought experts with them. They didn't go into rooms
by themselves. They bought people who knew, who sat alongside them, and when the question was posed, that entertainer, that celebrity, that influence would look to the expert to name names, to name agendas, and then make sure that the exchange was one that was equitable and right for our community. And so if you if you don't know, ignorance is no longer if it has ever been a sufficient excuse,
there are a lot of tools available to you. And Tiff take us to uh to a topic that I know has to be on your mind there in d C.
Mey, we've gone I don't even want to get I think this is the most interesting topic. I sell go at the beginning. If there's time, we would get into this. And I think we have exhausted even with that.
All your DC friends and government.
Who I think this topic is so it's it's it's so interesting to people. And we didn't even get into all the things that we wanted to because we really didn't talk a lot about black engagement, you know, and what that looks like going forward.
I think there. I think there are phases to this, y'all. This is why I think we have to let the listeners know we're going to absolutely but you.
Guys from this lively discussion. I do want you guys to know this discussion is going to continue over time. I would love to hear from the viewers what you guys want to hear when it comes to black engagement. What can we inform you about and how can we be helpful as we're all figuring this out because we you know, we are flying by the seat of our pants here with this administration.
Okay, everybody, we hate going to break and we definitely hate to break up the conversation, but we'll be right back after this break.
Well come, well, come, well, come, well, come, well come, welcome.
Moving us right along, we want to get into CTAs. Angela. I know you were saying it's really important that you wanted to leave people at least today with something that they can do. So all of our CTAs will center around a call to action, something that you can do to hopefully bring some knowledge, information, serenity, action, whatever that thing is as we go for it. So Angel you want to go first.
Yes, I'm gonna just echo what I know Andrew's gonna do, which is to play this prayer from the Bishop. We definitely gonna need intercessory prayer to make it through the next four years. I'd also just say one of my favorite things that you say all the time TIF is to approach things with genuine curiosity, and I would invite us all to do that even when we fundamentally disagree with people. You know, why are you pursuing this policy? Why would you support someone that is doing things that
cause intentional harm to other communities? And then when you do see an intentional harm being, you know, placed onto the backs of people who can't fight for themselves, make sure you stand up for them and ask why. Make sure you figure out how to arm and equip them. I've seen a number of posts from our elected officials, some of them are friends, like Congressoman Ayana Presley on advising people of what to do if ice comes knocking at their door or comes to their workplace for an
ICE raid. That's immigration and customs enforcement. So make sure that you're telling people what they can do if things like that happen. If someone is being targeted, that you know about making sure that you stand with them to ensure that they're not going through that on their own. The most important thing for us to remember is that
we were created to be interdependent. That means when we go through struggle, we shouldn't go through it alone, and when we're celebrating a victory, we shouldn't be alone either.
I feel, are we closing with the bishop?
We will close with the bishop?
See go ahead, Andrew.
A part of my cta, which is which is the first one is if your head is spinning right now to the news, to these executive orders to shit, what feels like the capitulation of people you admired, respected, expected more from. The idea of the other side is to exhaust you is to get you so dejected, rejected, alone, and out of community so that you aren't able to mount the kind of fight that is required in this moment.
If they exhaust us, if they tire us all out, if they make us throw up our hands and say, you know what, to hell, they got it all anyway, Uh, then we're making their job that much easier. We're making their walk, their drive that much straighter. If there are no speed bumps, no stop signs, no concrete boulders to delay, defray, or completely deflect their assault, then they're going to go
straight away into it. So I know that we all have exhaustion and disappointment and let down and hurt and fear and all that other stuff residing in our heads, in our minds and our spirits right now, But know that those are all tools of the enemy, and they're all non redemptive. They don't help us, they don't elevate us,
they don't get us freer. I just want to point in closing on this, my request is to maybe possibly take some example from the good bishop who's hopefully going to close us out after Tiffany's CTA, to give us, I think, a spirit of fight, a spirit of speaking truth to power, and then an example of how to do it without fear.
Okay, So my CTA is. I know a lot of you ask like, what are reputable sources where we can go? And I just wanted to give a big shout out to Michael Harriet. He curated an amazing weekend. We traveled to the Deep South in Georgia, and in my outcast voice, all the players came from far and wide, writers and doers and dreamers and builders came. And he announced the launch of contraband Camp, which is a substack that he
found it so you'll see familiar names on there. There'll be actual reporting writers and as you all know, he's the best selling author of Black af History, so please read that. Also, Aaron Haynes does an amazing newsletter and writes a column for the nineteenth so please check that out and really quickly. My last CTA is, please please please vote for us for the NAACP Image Awards. You can vote at NAACP image dot net. You can vote as many times from different emails. It cannot be the
same email. But tell your friends, family, everybody.
You don't get us disqualified. No, that's not your kindest glory. That's a father of confusion.
She didn't mean that.
No, everybody saying you can tell your friends family, Yeah, yes, everybody.
So everybody what I was thinking.
And it would never encourage you to vote the multiple email address.
I think make sure that that y'all tell your friends and family to vote for us. And all right, Andrew, I know you have a great CTA. And Wade Clows us out.
So let's see and hear an example from the great Bishop.
Let me make one final plea, mister President, millions have put their trust in you, and as you told the nation yesterday, you have felt the providential hand.
Of a loving God. In the name of our God, I ask.
You to have mercy upon the people in our country. And we're scared now. There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families, some who fear for their lives. And the people, the people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meatpacking plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants, and work the night shifts in hospitals.
They may not be citizens or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.
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