Will Trump Force a Third Term?

as his vice president was vital. It would serve as a testament to his judgment in choosing me and reassurance that if something happened, the country was in good hands. My success was important for him. His team didn't get it, and I wanted to start there because I think that many of us who have or interfaced with the Biden

administration at all. This was not a quiet rumbling. This was something that was regularly discussed about how they were handling Kamala Harris, what her portfolio was, Why was that her portfolio? When was she going to get out front and lead on some things? And I think really it took until well into their third year, around the Dobbs decision where we really saw her go out without him, without kind of being restrained or handled by White House staff.

So this piece, to me was particularly resident because again it wasn't a secret for those of us who knew her, or know this administration or knew that administration, it was the least are the worst kept secret. So I do think that you know one I want to hear from y'all on what you're expecting in this book. Again, it's released on September twenty third, but I think that this particular passage is fascinating because I thought we've been new this.

he was expecting from her. And I think a lot of people, particularly within the Beltway, will be talking about this, and so I just want to take a moment and tell our listeners. If you guys are talking about it, please be sure to tell your friends that NLP tackle this topic, this topic and share it among your group chats, because we want to know if our thoughts reflect yours and want to hear from you.

the book released later, you know, this month. Then I think we're in for a less filtered, almost to unfiltered truth teller and Kamala Harris, who's really prepared to square up with the ways in which she's been wronged, the ways in which the credit that she's rightfully earned has not been provided given to her right she hadn't been given her flowers. And I also think will get a less filtered version of her policy self, so her political self, her policy self, and I think her true sort of

I'm Kamala. I'm Kamala, not the Kamala Harris, but I'm kamala introduction for regular ordinary folks who just want to know that there are points of relationship, points of relate where you where they can say, oh I do that too, she does that, Oh I do that too. I think that's eluded her for a lot of her political career,

that relatableness between everyday common folks. And then the only other thing I'd say, just sort a big picture would be I've already started hearing some of the conversation amongst the punditry class sort of reading this excerpt in contrast to how Biden would feel, what Biden would think, And I just want to say this is her writing, this is reflecting her herolding journey, unprecedented in American history lift from vice president to presidential contender because the city president

of the United States steps back from the nomination. So it's okay if she centered in this, It's okay for the book that she wrote to be about her experience from her perspective and not centering Joe Biden in that. That's not disloyal. I'm not being disrespectful to him. I'm simply reminding us that we can read her words and take them as hers in their own singular context without having to compare her or contemplate how's this going to land with Joe Biden's world.

that will resonate. I also saw a counterpart in that, and I think this is where it's always been a balance right on what I would personally find interesting versus what the audience at large would find interesting. I also know there will be people Black people in particular, who do not relate to the Bulet, who do not relate to the Divine Nine, who do not relate to fraternities and sororities in private colleges and HBCUs, and who will still feel I do not this writing does not connect

with me. And so I think a lot of these political posts more are so exciting to the Beltwegh class and not necessarily to people outside of that, given what's happening in the country. I also think I so understand her frustration, and it's like I get to tell my story. I will not be muzzled in this moment, and I want to tell you all this is what happened to me.

I wonder if the appetite among the American readership, the ever dwindling American readership, because we all know how hard it is in publishing right now, if the appetite is less, like we want to know what happened versus we want to know how do we defeat Donald Trump and his minions? Right now, I don't know how much people will latch onto what was happening last year, given that we are in a state of panic right now. So look, personally,

I am going to consume this book. Like I said, I read it and I thought, oh, you are going there, and this is an excellent excerpt to read to attract you to it. I just don't know if the American people have the appetite for it right now. I think a lot of black women, black people with disposable income will most certainly buy this book, and I anticipated that it will spend a lot of time on the New York Times bestseller list, and my best wishes to her,

I hope it does. I have completely divorced myself from the Beltway class their opinions about it. Of course, they will send her a white man in this and I would just if they happen to ever listen to NLP. I mean, I think they have to reckon with the fact we talk all the time. We have a group chat when we're together, we talk about things we rarely and even in our group.

A f okay. She's like, I'm coming out, guns of blazing, and I'm saying what happened, So we'll see how how people respond to it.

Then you know where have you been? And I think all of those questions are fair. But one thing that I'm hoping that this book does is give us a new frame for what can happen, even miraculously so in such a short timeline. Again, they were talking about a campaign that was run over a billion dollars worth of a spend in one hundred and seven days. So what happens if all of the people come together and think the best and the brightest, and all of our ideas

and all of our innovation. We know what he's torn up in more than one hundred and seven days, But what happens if we come together to see real systemic change, if we put our best thinking together in one hundred and seven days? And I think that is the offering

that she also gives. It's not just a reflection, it's an opportunity to lean into what happens if we really come together in ways that I think are, frankly, i'm precedented in this country for all the reasons we know, including the fact that America is in fact a racist country. But I hope that people will ask her why did

it take this long? I hope that people will not center Joe Biden or anybody else's whiteness so much that they can't understand that, yes, this man has been diagnosed with cancer, Yes he is undergoing treatment, and yes it is still her story to tell. And no, she does not have a whole lot of bandwidth or room to decide when the publisher decides to move forward the book.

You know, there are all these things. So I think that you know, the fact that she wrote it, it took her longer to write the book than it took her to run a campaign one and two, it's still a pretty I mean, if you know, it's a pretty escalated timeline for the release of a book.

that this administration of the Trumps has undertaken. But in truth, this is probably about the right time that you can step back from a situation as un precedented and unparalleled as what she has experienced, because not only was it the one hundred and seven days, but it was also doing that one hundred and seven days as a black woman and as a woman, And those are layers that also in the first rendering of these excerpts that sort of really really pierced me was how much concentration and

emphasis was put on how she had to present next to Biden, how she needed to appear, how she had to demure, how she needed not to be impressive in her speaking style, how she, you know, didn't need to be the political winner on public on public policy issues pursued by the administration for fear that it might dim the light of the sitting president. When you're the sitting president, ain't nobody gonna dim you light. You must you may give it away, but you still are the president of

the United States. But but we knew this with our going in, and there were lots of people in Biden world who were very much so uh suspicious of her after that debate where she bought in bussing and we're unforgiving of her from that moment I was at that debate, I remember gasping like, oh God, this is yeah, okay, so this and it was a lasting thing. I think it still lasts for a number of people and for those listeners who you know, may not have a complete

relationship what I'm speaking of. This is a book that I think every woman in politics, every woman period who is trafficking and trying to be taken for your full worth, to be seen as a whole person and not a division of all the various parts of yourself. Of women with ambition. And also it's important for men who work with women who were equal to the task, if not greater to to to to understand that we're not the center of the universe and everything doesn't revolve around us.

We're not the sun. By we water and flower and bring life and enlightenment to everything else around us. We all cooperate, right, We're like a body and they're no there are no extraneous parts. There's just the whole body, and you got to treat it well. And I think that's how politics, and particularly politicians the Democratic Party really

deserve an evolution here around this. We think of ourselves as forward thinking around women and centering the needs of women, but then in real practice, it's like if the man ain't in the middle, you know, and that your actions are then basically designed in contrast to mine, then you're a lost cause you're too ambitious. I'm suspicious of you because you won't be loyal because I don't know you

have designs on your life too. Your designs need to be focused and based on my designs, and that's how you design what you want to do. And I think that that that belief that patriarchy is is alive and well in both parties, but an American political culture period, I think we all.

some things that run contrary to my own humanity. So that's why I said, I think she speaks right to the heart of black women here.

want your thoughts on this. Andrew, you were on a short leaked list of potential VP running mates for Hillary Clinton. Angela you've navigated politics from Capitol Hill, and you also, in your position on Capitol Hill, worked with the Obama administration on a lot of things, so we kind of know the social norms and morays of politics, and it really is that the vice president is not the person out front. The vice president does typically genuflect to the

position of President. Joe Biden himself, uh, you know, had a few faux pause on that he was out front on gay marriage before Obama really said anything, and he was also making a lot of social gaffs during the Obama administration. I just think in this era of Trump, because as people are asking that question, I hope they can understand that that has been the tradition in Washington. You know that you are You're not the star. You're

there to support the president. Some people argue the role of VP is very superfluous, but I wonder in the era of Trump, if that has all gone out the window, like it has to, all of our norms have to go out the window. And I think this is probably the first political post mortem book that does that from a VP role, and I wonder how this will inform because she has been the first to step out there and say, you know, f that, let me tell you

what was really going down. I wonder how this will inform future VP roles, particularly under democratic administrations, if we are ever to see one again, which we'll also get to later in the show, and again is a hot topic. So I hope y'all are sharing this because I want to hear from y'all in the comments. What y'all think if you're going to buy the book. If you bought

the book, what you think about it? Is you read the read the excerpt and all that, but just cure your thoughts about that for the VP role Andrew or Adela, whomever want to take it.

serve in this role. Do I have an obligation to tell you the hurdles I had to climb, the hills I had to you know, uh scale to really make this more and more equitable space for you. So I wonder if she was like, you know, I know what the norm is, but do I defy the norm? Because if I don't, is there going to be another? That's

the first consideration. I think the second consideration is, you know, given where we are right now and here history, it's like, yeah, like there's kind of a collective obligation that hopefully we all feel to tell the truth and shame the devil, because if you don't really start telling the truth about the many like errors, challenges, mistakes that this party, the Democratic Party, has historically not learned from, they are bound to continue to make the same mistakes and bound to

continue to lose. I kind of resent some of the commentary I've seen y'all, and I know I might be the one I'm like TIF today in the comments, but not from Native Lampard. I'm on the book. But I wonder if, like if some of what I'm feeling is like, oh, there's this whiny they're talking about. She sounds whiny in the book, which also sounds like a gender you know thing.

It's like you can't have you can't logic complaint, you know, when you feel like you stepped out of the Senate where you were like America's darling and Senate hearing rooms, and then now you're going back into a space where you just have to kind of carry the briefcase. And I don't even think some of that is the norm. There are other vice presidents that were more robust and more visible. Mike Pence was not one of them. I think a lot of people don't even remember he was a.

saw out the gate. They gave her immigration, and of course many of us crushed our heads saying, wait a minute, you gave her an issue that even George Bush, when you know, going back since Reagan, right since Reagan's embrace of immigration, the Republican Party turned wholesale against it and further administrations with the exception of a Bush who came behind him, George Bush Junior whatever is what is it, the third or the second son, baby Bush, George W. W. Bush,

who came in, frankly saying, we need a pathway to citizenship. He tried to get that through Republican Congress, couldn't make it happen. Obama, same deal. We wanted to try to provide a pathway. So you gave her a portfolio that even presidents with parties in their control in the House and the Senate can't make happen. And you've now set that in the lap of the vice president of the United States, which I just saw as a setup from the very beginning, and on the whiny thing, y'all, History

isn't whining, Okay, History is just history. History is what has happened. And so I absolutely believe that that's a gender related insulting assault. And I think we're gonna hear a lot of that, and and frankly it's because of our conditioning. And I actually think some of the worst critique of her will probably come from other women, to be honest about it.

to block his passes to her in many instances. And so I just, I just, I just think people should one, if you are a supporter of these folks, get out and buy the book. Don't make it a question. Just just do it, like Nike says. And then the other thing is is look at it with a how do you say, a graceful eye, Read it with a graceful eye. All those got judgments and and backseat you know, driving

and and and quarterbacking. But you don't know. None of us know because we've never been there, all right, And if you have, maybe you can say a little something. But if you haven't, take it for what it is somebody else's attributed story of what happened, how they experienced it, and then what they want us to know coming out of it.

else and not taking this seriously. It came up again this week because Supreme Court justices rarely give interviews, They rarely are out front talking, but two Supreme Court justices spoke about this. First, I want you all to take a listen to Justice Amy Cony Berry in an interview with Fox News.

about this coming out of my mouth. But there are some things that feel more pressing. Right now. I'm given that we're being forced to drink out of a fire hose in real time and consistently. There's some drama, there's some terrorism, there's something that we're having to answer to every single day. I do think, to be fair, this doesn't seem like something that white media is avoiding. The two clips that we just played is white media talking

about this. What is scary to me, though, is it just seems like a passing conversation about like.

Before this administration, we went don just like she did with the ice raids opinion. So I'm actually more I know you were mad at the media law, but I'm actually more frustrated with the ways in which these justices who have these lifetime appointments, at least for now, it's supposed to be settled law, right, you know, I want you to give that the same energy that you would protect that job friend, you know, And I just I don't. I don't even hear that. I was more alarmed by

her response. Listen, like, wait, what you know.

is through its constitutionality. So she's right on that point, But she's also right in saying nobody has dared tried this before. And I also think she's probably being careful, especially given the conservative media landscape out here, the conservative landscape period in this country, not to exempt herself out

of this case. Should Trump have his way and set up an instance where this question makes this way before the court, at which point you can't have a justice out there opining their opinion or they might be asked to not make, you know, not be able to sit for a case because they've already opined their opinion opinions about has.

of what the Constitution actually says. But if you are a conservative jurists, which Amy Colly Barrett, appointed by Donald Trump, says that she is it means you take the text literally and I don't know how many literal derivations derivatives you can get from a person can only run twice for the presidency, right, and they go for letther say they don't have to be consecutive, but rather that you

just simply cannot run twice. But to mention my own become amy comby Barratt of four terms served by Roosevelt. She knows that that was prior to the prior to that constitutional amendment. In fact, that constitutional amendment emanated from the fact that we did not want a president being

able to serve four terms. Prior to that, the Constitution was silent on it, and we relied on the example of George Washington and his willingness to step away from that most powerful office at that time after two terms. That was all we had. Well, now we got law that says this is what it is.

to do it. And I think what's at the root cause of our concern, our collective concern, because Angela, you're talking about, well, that's not what's keeping me up at night, because there's this urgent thing you mentioned drinking from the fire holes.

so that hasn't been reported yet. But that does not mean that it's not on the precipice of happening right now.

twenty twenty six. So if y'all have heard anything any rum planers about what's playing for Michigan in twenty twenty six, because we got a manor or election happening. When we got a thirty seven year old black woman who is leading leading in the post. We also got Garland kill Chris the lieutenant governor who's black man running for governor of state of Michigan against independent Mike Duggan.

how do you address these challenges? When I first, because we've read the transcript of her question, I'm like, and she wanted them to come to destroy but hearing her the concern and her voice, and thank you, by the way for taking the time to record that video and share it with us. I don't even know how we combat that.

I ken't remember that what the timing was. You all make correct me? Uh, this is one of the topics I wanted to bring up a little bit later, was the whole dropping bombs on a speed boat in international waters. So I just think we're all anything is on the block, period. But absolutely, when Trump is overwhelmed by criticism, just hold on, just.

what I'm being told from an elected official source. So it is a little different because we know that the state also has some responsibility for the National Guard. We know that they're fine with it, and then you have someone who's a willing participant at the mayoral level in Memphis. The other thing that I was going to flag for the question Lakisha, again thank you for sending it in, is there is an election in Detroit, but it ain't happen yet. So Mary Sheffield ain't the Mary yet. Who

is the mayor? Is Mike Duggan, who is running against Garland for the gubernature in the gubernatorial race. Why does that matter? This man is a partner with several MAGA folks on several investments, including completely whitewashing Detroit, and so I still think it is different. There is a wink and nod relationship going on here, and you will see that some of the pressure is ramped down with folks who Donald Trump has a good relationship with. He is

an ego maniacal human being. That is how this works. So I think that is important we can there is a there is a system. But I think that no matter what, he wants to make a black mayor look bad, and I think no matter what, where he has a good relationship where someone's will willfully stroking his ego, he needs showing up the same way.

Because the governor is the one who generally generally is responsible for calling up the National Guard. The last time prior to Trump, deployed National Guard soldiers was to get you know, was to integrate Southern UH public schools. So so it's not a practice that that presidents generally utilized, which I know we all know, but I do. I am interested. I actually am very I wish it wouldn't happen, but if it is going to happen, I'd be curious to know how a governor, a Republican governor is going

to stand when his state is in the crosshairs. Is he going to stand with the people of his state and say, you're not going to degrade us this way? Or does he say, hey, we've got the welcome that rolled out, come on in.

being told that it's happening. But again, in Trump's America, we have no I like, literally, you wake up and it's like, at any moment, it could be a breaking news banner that he's deployed.

can be a bit distraction. But I want before we go to Doha, I just want to say no, no, no, I mean, you say, focus on international because we got so much going on domestically, and I think that's probably a view shared by our listeners as well. We we got to protect ourselves, and this is in the vein of protecting ourselves, because we got to see ourselves at the intersection of these of many of these issues where we do come into focus. Yes, we we heard about

the strikes and and Doha. I know I've I've been, Angela. I know you've traveled to Doha, uh Tiff, You've been everywhere.

the right of borders. They have international rights of being seen as a separate, as a autonomous state, separate and apart from any other, which means they have the rights of self determination. You can't just fly over their airspace. You just can't drop bombs on them without declarations of warsaw and so forth. But before really digging in it, I just want to say, Trump and none of us should miss this really really stretched the presidency and our

understanding of international law. Earlier this week, this past weekend, when he decided that he was going to send the United States military to intercept a speed boat, and I think the speedboat had like eleven people on it, but nonetheless it was a personal vessel, right, not a military vessel a threat of any sort that we know of.

And he basically extended what would have normally been a protocol that would have been undertaken should there have been a weaponized military imminent threat on the United States, which then we would be compelled to respond. But he decided that he believed that drugs were being trafficked over international waters with their destination being the United States of America, even though the boat was in the Caribbean, and decided to use the United States.

there are drugs on the boat. These are bad people. I'm a drop some bombs. We're going to take them out. They're now sitting in the bottom of the Caribbean Ocean and it's handled. We don't know where that boat was going, we don't know whether it had drugs on it, we don't know who the people were that were on it,

and no proof has been extended. So what happens to American citizens who maybe vacationing in the Caribbean, who might be on a boat and might be people who were critical of the president, and the president decides that he wants to send the US military based off of his precept of what he believes is happening, and take you out. I just want us to think about what an explosion, an extension, an incredible extension of law that is, and

the fact that this was so close. I guess I take it more personally because I'm a Floridian and I got family Andbeminy and Bahamas. You know, we travel on the like is going to Miami right from where I live. That's how commonplace it is. And in those international waters that a president of the United States can decide to take us out off of an assumption not proven and no due process accorded, law involved whatsoever. That's what took place here. And so the license that he creates here,

we're not seeing that same license being extended across the world. Now. Yah, who doesn't inform the United States, who is their protector, who basically pays for the military and is the security guarantee for Israel, doesn't inform the United States and decides to enter with with drones or actually these are their their aircraft go into a sovereign nation and drop bombs

in a residential area. And just so you know about this residential area, this is a part of Doha where many expats and foreign diplomats live and they drop We already know they don't care about people's lives because they drop bombs on hospitals and kill women, children, kids, and journalists. But in this case, you now ventored a sovereign territory where the United States has a huge military outpost, huge military base, and don't consult anybody, and the wreckage there

is still being accounted. And the last example I'll give is we learned this week in the middle of the week that Russia decided to send over four to eighteen drones, almost two dozen drones over Poland with their destination not being completely clear. Poland is a NATO ally of which the United States is compelled to defend if they are attacked. We don't invade people's airspace with drones or weaponry with

no sense of where the destination is. If we, the United States were to send weapons over Poland, we would have to tell them what we're doing and ask their permission for their airspace. And so all I'm saying is that I can't treat these isolated because we, the leader of the free world, is setting the example that international law doesn't matter. In fact, laws on our own land don't matter. And therefore the innertial order, y'all is collapsing

around us. And if you don't think that impacts us, think again, Well.

NATO stands in the way of that. And so we really are seeing Donald Trump reshape the global world order.

across the globe. What do you think, like do you draw a connection between what's happening here domestically and like how fearful are you in the order of a hierarchy about what's happening across the globe? Especially because I didn't know that you had been to Doha before, so having been on the ground there, I feel like you have a greater appreciation than I do about what it meant for the Israeli government to the bomb residential areas.

bringing terrorism to our front door, absolutely. The other thing that we've we didn't talk about, but I hope we can soon, is the fact that they are asking ICE to secure this partnership with a digital firm that can hack into our phones, including encrypted apps like Signal that we readily rely upon. And I'm bringing that up to say, if you purchase the app, you think that they're not

going to use that on your phone? Secretary Pete Heckson, you think that they're not like these are These are for and actors, and we are affording them access willfully, naively and really frankly dangerously. Right. So, I think that there are a number of places where we are at risk. Our infrastructure is at risk, our cyber security is at risk. Our homeland is at risk, and it is from natural and man made disasters. And the greatest man made disaster

there is is Donald and Goddamn Trump. So I think that we have to be very clear about all of the many ways in which we're vulnerable. I would love for us to get a national security expert on. I do not purport to be one, but I think that we should have one on to talk about all of the many places that we are way vulnerable. And I think this is I think is one of those even you know, Andrew you talking about being in the wild, there are some spaces that we should not be susceptible

to those kinds of threats. And it seems like all of the rules surprise, surprise are out of the window.

guarantees we have over civil liberties. Those are those are tactics that they have extended in foreign wars that they are now turning on their own people domestically. It is against the law. It has been ruled against the law, but they are skirting the law in every way possible and basically taking what are militarized and national security apparatus, which are used to repel foreign agents and in rare cases,

those that are domestic who are against us. They're using that apparatus and they're turning the whole damn thing on the four hundred plus million people who call this place home, the Free States of the United States of America. We gotta be careful building his own military force through homeland security. He's taken the military apparatus and he's pointing it at us. That's the danger.

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the open houses, having those conferences with the teachers. If they don't schedule them, you initiate them to check in on your child, because so often they can be overlooked or their performance can be seen as anomalies rather than no, this is actually the standard at which they perform, and based off that, we recommend this, this, that, and the third.

But we can just let hand our children. There's no other environment by which we would hand our children over to strangers, by and large, to us and take our hands off of them for seven eight hours of the day and not be curious about what happened in that period of time. And so I just encourage whether you're a parent, a grandparent, a godparent, whatever role you may serve in the child's life that we're still their best and first advocates always.

can play in the times that are coming. Whether you are a funder and you want to help people with legal expenses in this very illegal setup that we find ourselves in, if you are a black farmer and you want to ensure that fresh produce is available to your community, if you have land and you want to make sure that there's a safe haven for those of us who

need safety and lack shelter or property. I just want us to be very intentional about what assets, what talents, what gifts we have to pour into this communal pot in this environment. And please be ready. You know what they say, y'all, If we say ready, we ain't got to give thank you to flavor Flave Andrew you already went and tip you have.

And it has put in perspective for me because I would look back at my life and in my twenties and my thirties, it was like I was making all these plans, waiting for life to begin. And then when you get to forty and you look back and you're like, oh no, but life was happening all those times that you were making plans and waiting for life to start, your life was happening. Then life happens all around you, and so the decades are flying by and now that I'm closer to fifty than I am to forty, then

I am the thirty twenty. It's really making me center the fact that every single day is a gift and every single day is happening right now, because I even find myself now waiting for life to begin. You know, maybe life will begin when I insert whatever, you know, when I get this dream job, when I get married, when I achieve something I don't know whatever your insert is, and I just don't feel that way. And so it

started with small things for me. It's like, you know, I've always wanted this liquor cabinet, I'm going.

just want to share that with everybody. And if it encourages you to be more present in this moment and live today, then whatever that means it looks like to you, I love that.

there at Alabama. Uh, Angela. But but I love that, And I found myself of late and honestly, this is an every night inventory. It has become is when my kids time to go to bed, I start like retracing, like did I spend enough time talking to them after school today? Did I spend enough time? Like it's kind of getting underneath just evaluating that in the you know, in the day, in the moment, and then trying to do better than setting myself up in the fantasy and

the what hasn't come. But what I hope to manifest is that tomorrow I'll spend more time because, as they say, the days alone, but the years are short. Yea, And I think that's true for not just children, but you know, for for our individual lives. The days, yeah, they can be long, but the years are short.

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