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Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all. This is episode number one hundred and seven of the Native Lampod. Seven that really matter because I joined then, but everybody else you can count the first one hundred. Let us neither here nor there. We're gonna give you all things. We're gonna break them down, politics, culture, and we are your hosts.

Welcome home. I'm so glad Andrews Mike is off during his cross talk.

That is amazing, Broke, I had to trade myself start putting mute and keep cross talking.

I do that too, just so you know you're not alone. I do that too. So today we have so much to get into.

We are joined by Mark Lamont Hill, who is our good friend, our brother, an author, a tremendous international rights expert and focuses very much on his work in Palestine. But we have a great conversation with him coming up for you all.

Today.

I got some other lighthearted moments, but I'm gonna guil to my co hosts on their topics.

I just jump. I was just listening. All right, you're.

Still a co host even when you host him. Bruh, my bad.

I was just trying to move things along. Y'all don't always get that we got to get to them toime.

Well, let me pick up what you put down.

I'll pick up what you put down, which is simply say, because we have Mark who is so dexterious when it comes to topics and who to talk to and how to talk to them, I'm very, very curious to get his take on a few things. One, how we deal with celebrities and other influencers who we sometimes put it a disadvantage by recruiting them into issues that they may

So first, let me just say I have to step out for a second, so you'll miss me for part of the show. And I'm sad because I think I'm going to miss the time when Mark is here, so shout out to Mark. But I will get to experience the Mark conversation like the audience does. I'm looking forward to listening to that. And normally I like to yield my time to viewer questions, but we did not get any viewer questions this week. So I'm really excited just to weigh in and jump in on what my co

We say welcome home with they thought we were off this week. If so, they like, We'll wait.

Over there trying to get those marshmallows for those candy insha.

Breakfast.

They were like, we went like marshmallows on our Yeah.

I think honestly, when I go back and look at the comments, I don't know if tiff has a fan club or she has bots or whatever, but it's overwhelmingly I could be like, yeah, I enjoy spending my time with my kids this week.

Well, Tiffany said, I'm like.

Hey, Tiffany said, the Bitchies stands what with millions with millions?

So I do want to talk about uh.

I wanted to talk about the Ranking County jail because this shit bothered my spirit for the entire week. What happened in Mississippi to an intellectually disabled man who was in that jail. The story came out. Shout out to our independent journalist and our local journalists who've been covering those stories. But Ranking County Jail in Mississippi, it just made me want to say Mississippi, Jesus. But we'll get to that as we go through. This store is extremely sad,

Could we could start in Nigeria? But also I know Andrew wants to talk to Mark about that.

I yeah, we didn't.

I didn't say this, and we didn't have a production call like normal. I really think we should talk about this Trump and Donnie situation too, And I got again, I got some lighter hearted things, but I really want to talk about.

What went there.

We're picking up, Let's go down, because I know you had my Donnie sitting there and the lights look bright. But let's talk about what happened in that in that uh, in that over office, meaning where there was a lot of disrespect and a lot of a lot of wit and a lot of things that happened that most people probably didn't even pay attention to because we were moving so fast last week.

It is a Friday night, you know.

Okay, so then let's roll this clip because this one in particular has been troubling my soul.

Are you affirming that you think President Trump is a fascist?

I've spoken about That's okay, Okay, it's easier than explaining it.

That don't so you know.

I don't know, y'all. I grew up with an activist daddy. It could just be that I'm hyper sensitive to these things. But I really felt triggered by Donald Trump giving him permission to call him a fascist and then patent the dude.

I just really didn't like.

That, and it felt it felt staged in a way that really did not feel good. If you all didn't see, Mumdannie was on with Kristen Welker on Meet the Press. She asked him if if he still thinks, I don't know, if we have that clip, if he still thinks that Donald Trump is a fascist, and he affirms that he does.

Do you think that President Trump is a fascist?

And after President Trump said that, I said, yes, and so you do. And that's something that I've said in the past I say today. And I think what I appreciated about the conversation that I had with the President was that we were not shy about the places of disagreement about the politics that has brought us to this moment. And we also wanted to focus on what it could look like to deliver on a shared analysis of an affordability crisis for New Yorkers.

And so what I am troubled by in particular is I do think that folks have to do what they have to do to meet the needs of their constituents. When you're an executive, you have to meet with all types of folks who don't necessarily agree with you and may end up wanting to cause you harm. But I

Who are you suggesting is planned with fashion?

Like?

Who's taking it lightly?

That's what I'm oh, I'm so sorry. Let me try again.

So when Donnie met with Donald Trump, when they did the press conference after the meeting, Donald Trump.

Is yeah, yeah, I know, I'm look.

I guess I'm saying specifically, though, who are you saying was treating fashion like?

Is Trump the one you're saying was treating fashion?

He probably is, But what I'm saying is when you're when you're playing it looks like you're playing foot seat with the fascist, when it looks like you're sitting there engaging in a way.

You're saying, Donnie, it looked to you like man, Donnie was playing foot See.

What I'm saying is, Mom, Donnie looked like they were buddy buddy.

It looked very chummy.

You looked there about the optics basically looked unseerious and maybe a little playful for the moment that we are, you know what was happening that day?

I mean, also, can I just give can I give like a fifty thousand foot view context real quick? Before before y'all jump back into the discussion, many people need to realize that the Mayor of New York and Andrew probably speaks to this better than anybody. The Mayor of New York is a very unique position because one of the things that the mayor actually has to get from this White House is a top seity, top secret security clearance.

Uh.

And the optics were what they were, So I'll let y'all chime in from there, but I wanted our listeners to understand what that purpose was.

Yeah, but Cary, you're right.

I mean the relationship with New York and the federal government, largely in the counter terrorism space, policing and counter terrorism space is significant, to put it mildly, and the city of New York depends heavily on those dollars coming through to keep its hell near military you know, uh size police department and other counter terrorism you know forces you

I haven't seen many sit downs with mayors.

This may have been the first I observed in this second administration under Trump. You know, they have a pension for really getting quite froggy in those meetings. They work to the embarrassment of the people who they who they don't like. They you remember how they treated Zelensky when he came to the White House. I mean it was a full fledged you know battle Royale with with little Mickey mouse man Advance, you know, playing you know, get them, go, get them, go, get them, you know roll. So it's

That he's successful.

So it actually turned in a direction that I didn't fully participate anticipate, but I also did not expect it to be a bad meeting, publicly facing meeting for them, because, in the truth of the spirit, mem Donnie came in basically the winner. Trump has been licking his wounds all week, getting set back after setback, and he kind of needed to gravitate to some to some winner energy. And I think I think, I think the Mayor elect really kind

That's not a bad giveaway for a meeting with Donald Trump.

I hear you, Andrew. I agree with what you're saying.

I'll say part of my frustration with this whole thing was the attention paid to it, the attention paid to this question when Kristen Welker asked him on Meet the Press one. This is precisely why you don't hear people, you know, talking every week's like, oh my god, did you hear what happened on Meet the Press? Because they ask questions that most people are not focused on. They traffic and inside the beltwig gossip and want to pit

In the Oval Office? He answered yes.

You hear him say yes to the reporter, even after Donald Trump saying, oh, you don't have to answer, and he says yes. When Kristin Welker has him, he said yes. Of all of the things that they could have spent time discussing, this seems the most trivial to me, quite honest. However, I do struggle as well with the imagery of being in the space with Donald Trump. I didn't walk away

Meet, that was disrespectful.

I like, he's.

But he's disrespectful to the White House. And I applaud people who can conduct themselves with a level of professionalism in decorum in the face of toddlers who find that, you know, incapable and find themselves in caple of doing that, and he does that routinely as the president of the United States. So I actually appreciate it that he looked like the adult in the situation.

I didn't receive.

It like he was being friendly or with fascism, or taking it lightly or playing foot seet with him. I don't receive him as someone who is a coward either. Like I think, as I've said before, I think Donald Trump is, you know, the beach in this situation, most situations, I think macdani looked like an adult, and of everything happening in New York. I just think of the politics of this situation, this tiny thing that beltleyh media has tried to make into a thing like ooh, look at

And they got it, yes, and that is I think they both delivered on that point. The theater of it all, like even you know where he was standing. Again, I didn't even like the fact that Donald Trump hadded him. If I heard Trump's statement to him differently, I think I heard him say it's okay, you can go ahead and say yes, and then Mendanni said yes.

Then when they look at the transcript, that's what it says.

But to your point, started though not to say he wasn't backing away he was.

I'm not even suggested on this, Yeah, I'm not suggesting he was.

Donald Trump intervened to tell him it's okay to call me a fascist, right, and I think that is also something worth noting.

To me.

That is a big deal because it goes right to the point of what he said about those members of Congress. That is what fascists do. They call for the death of their political enemies. They persecute and prosecute their political enemies. Now here's the part that blows my mind. And I'm sure you guys are probably tired of talking about this too.

I didn't even see that.

Yes, they can go and the Republicans for forty five days and they give back to DC, given all Americans are going through and they wanted to talk about some damn socialisms.

But I want to be clear about why they took this vote. Mam Donnie was meeting with Donald Trump the next day. So my issue is, like I'm mad at everybody right now, y'all.

But guess what, Donald Trump took the wins out of that sale and a whole bunch of other sales, but through his conduct.

In that meeting, I mean his over effusive.

Yeah, I just want to say he everything that they've done Republicans. They spent millions calling this guy everything but a child of God. In New York at least the fonic is running for what governor, and she put a bunch of money, you know, against them, trying to paint everybody as mandonna and Trump by his full what I felt was a full throw, a throttle endorsement of the man. We're gonna make him successful. No, I don't mean he's that. It was a campaign. You say, a lot of things

I guess all I'm saying is it is rich to me.

And it was actually the day of his arrival that they could condemn socialism. Where is the goddamn vote condemning fascism? Seriously, this man identifies as a democratic socialist. He was clear about it, even in the press or after the meeting was over, so that what we're privy to the public statement that we're privy to. He says, I'm a democratic socialist. You know, I've basically hitched my wagon too affordability issues.

That's something we agreed on in this meeting.

These people are so tone deaf in the House of Representatives. I'm specifically speaking to the eighty six Democrats, including Democratic leadership, that you think it is more important to do to condemn socialism than fascism. And again he said the day before that he wanted to call for it to be prosecuted for treason and that is punishable by my dad.

What are we talking about?

I would just say it's all kind of kabooki theater, like it's simple, you know, like it's who cares about? To me, these votes have no real tangible consequence. There is no what does it do? Like, what is this so you condemned social Let's say they took a vote on condemning fascism. Again, this is all performative outrage to me about something these like just the same way that it's these invented culture wars.

So even if they had taken.

A vote and everybody in in Congress and the Upper Chamber and the lower tamper. Yes, we condemned fascism or we condemned socialism. Okay, who gives a shit? What exactly are you guys, like, what specific policies are you implementing or are you fighting that's going to have a direct tangible impact on the American people? And so far all of the things that they are pushing seem to have an adverse impact on the American people.

Which is I think.

I think that's why the mayor was refreshing. He this man came to advocate for his people.

He talked about affordable housing.

He talked about turning those buildings that are in New York that are vacant with with with these high ass rent prices into residential I mean, he was actually this was the refreshing part of him, is that this man was meeting a.

Trump gave him permission or not, of course if he's not.

Agree No, I was just I was saying that I kind of agree with you about the theater at the moment. And sometimes sometimes we get caught up. And that's what Trump does extremely well. He creates TV, he creates imagery because he knows that we will chase that it's like a cat when you have the little light in it. He knows that, he knows that the media will cover that. But one of the things we haven't talked about a lot, and one of the things that wasn't covered was something

All right.

Say, my name is Larry, and I volunteered fish.

My name Larry, and I volunteer to this.

Whoa come home, Come home?

Birthday to you?

Half a birthday to you.

So the video that you just saw there goes back to it's actually an older video. It just was released from the jail. It happened in October of twenty eighteen. We're just seeing this. The gentleman's name was buck Halter. Larry Buckhlter was the black gentleman's name. I wanted to call his name out. The barry that you were referring to that you heard him refer to was individual who

When I see I didn't know that we were I'm seeing this Rob McCary, I didn't watch the video in the group chat, and so when I see things like that, sadly, it's not surprising to me. But what I've been confronting over and again is we've seen this type of despotism decorate our screens. We've seen our blood spatter decorate our screens. Bodycams have done nothing but give us a better view

You know, Tiffany, really poignant comments.

I probably appreciated hearing them, you know, This video touches on some of the activities that were taking place in that jail, but some of the more I mean, some of the equally as insidious parts were the deputizing of other inmates to carry out retribution, beatings, whippings, to go beyond where Uh, shriffs may have limits, the deputies and

I would also.

What Tiffany your comments, what what makes it more grotesque for me is to see the number of black shriff's deputies who then take on that same.

Despicable disposition as enslavers.

Right. They their their.

Proximity to the power of being able to decide who gets pulled out and and handled, who gets you know, retribution paid to them? Uh, who do you who do you terrorize each night? And you've got black deputies on black inmates, and a political system there that is diverse in its representation that includes black elected officials. I don't know if the bus was to be higher or not, but I certainly feel like I said it higher for for other black folks who become the lynchers themselves.

The whole, the whole piece of this thing is rank. I mean ranking is right. Of course, yes, yes, black.

Black men beat family, but there are.

Too many that we can't name check, right.

And that's this, that's this really terrible spirit that says, if I'm not on the side of the abuse, there are only two sides here, the abused and then the abusers and then those who stay silent and do nothing.

Who I who I?

Who? I automatically put under the abuser side of the equation. But this was this whole system the reason why people a national audience is going to be, you know, rattled a bit by what they read from the New York Times, from Mississippi Today and the other contributing resources. But ain't nobody in Mississippi surprise today or rather to we go in this when the XO was a first drive, ain't nobody there surprised? And I would add to it a

And Tiffany what is understood need not be spoken?

Right. There are plenty of other places that can be on the list that had didn't get this kind of in depth reporting which took place here, which I think is excellent at exposing. And now I'm looking for the accountability. But this is taking place in far too many places, and it is it doesn't raise an eyebera.

The accountability part is the thing that we're not gonna get none of. Because this is why your Department of Justice and the Civil Rights Division is so important. This is why the work that Christen Clark did that's like systematically being erased, This was why the consent orders because it's not I mean, I'm suing the Alvin esk Glen attentions in that Richland County right now. I have a guy who was going through a mental health break that they put in the shoe that you weren't supposed to put

Yeah, it talks about the retribution for those who spoke up. This is a no win situation. If you were in their crosshairs, you just had to bear it.

Ye had been there in twenty eighteen, and I would dare say the same thing in twenty twenty five, Angela.

I was just going to say, you know, when I think about what they're doing to dismantle the Department of Justice and the kind of the safeguards that we were at least starting to build, because it's never been safe. The building that houses the Department of Justice is still named the j. Edgar Hoover Building, and so we have to be clear about the fact that it's never been

That's gone.

And you consider what, you know, what prisons have to do to ensure that they can qualify for federal dollars, all of the benchmarks that are supposed to be in place, to ensure that they're not overly punishing prisoners, which I mean, it's prison like. I don't really like any of them. I'm partially an abolitionist at least. I just don't get how we can watch this and turn a blind eye to it.

And this is in prison.

That's that's part of my point, Angela. In prison, this is jail. Yes, they're not even convicted or nothing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, yes, no.

No, that's that just noo y'all, y'all took y'all, took y'all went down this journey with me because I've been praying about it and sending it to people and being like, did y'all see this? Because I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't going crazy because it was. It was making me cry seeing that.

Man, Yeah, I.

Had to turn my head for sure.

Can I ask you?

I will say Jay Hoover should go down for a lot.

Hoover should go down.

He should go down for a lot.

But I will say this, and this is this is this is just a restatement of history.

JACKA.

Hoover was horrible to our civil rights leaders and the type of surveillance that he.

Is put in place.

But what Jajo Hoover also was what was relentless against the FBI against the Ku Klux Klan, using the federal federal laws that allowed him to many ways chase them back into shadows and a lot of places and not a album full effect. But but I just wanted to balance out that that as he has the dubious designation as having been so cruel and and and and invasive to our civil rights leaders into black leaders and organizers.

He also had a particular.

Effect on pushing the ku Klux Klan out of a lot of black people's front yards, backyards and communities over that same period.

It was he he was and his intention was.

Opinions.

Opinion was that his tenure at the f B.

I also took very pointed.

How do you say, uh enforcement and pushing uh back on the ku Klux Klan.

Which I'm sorry they had a quick question, but can we.

Get to the question just.

Yeah, do you want to talk about this because I.

Addresses I do not want to be in the business of finding no goddamn silver lining and know j Edgar, goddamn hold it's.

Not a silver lin. It is not a silver lining. You.

I simply wanted to sit next to one fact another facts.

Okay, want your question, Timmy, you got you had a question about it. You're talking about were talking about there.

He's not saying anything that's.

There was no but it's a lot of context there.

So let me just say, he's a horrible conversation, clearly answered your.

Behind.

Let me say something good.

No, no, I wanted to say something good.

Or the or the reasons.

Okay, let me do that. That's a good point.

I appreciate you listen there, if you allow me. The difference is I was attempting to point out that you would think the vilest of what we would have experienced as a people would have been in the thirties, forties, fifties, sixties in this country. And I'm saying, when you set that example next to what we are still experiencing, ranking and its officials, the sheriffs. I don't know if everybody got to read the New York Times. Deep God, but a lot of people are implicated here, A lot of

Full for.

You brought that around. You brought that around.

No, no, no, But the contact.

It was not just say TIF no, go ahead. I just want to have one point.

No go ahead and say no, let's close that out because I my question has nothing to do with that.

I just want to flag that as much as he some people may want to credit him for taking down the KKK, he also was a member of a fraternity called Kappa Alpha that essentially you know.

Which they were, every campus.

Which and that's not to be considered with Kapa Alpha PSI no, no.

No Alpha.

If you're in the South, you know what they don't.

I want to be clear about what I'm saying. They want to be want to be probably still right now Confederates.

So they got right here.

There's that.

So I think we should be clear at some point about why he is even attached to taking down the KKK.

That is, I think it's simply.

Okay, I agree that is a mini later. Let's because I'm not here.

To defend him. I'm simply saying, when you compare.

The age that we thought was a bygone era, it's not only not by gone, but it's back in spades.

It's here, but cary.

So my question for you is because we share a lot of spaces and you, I mean, I think the audience experiences a lot of your humor all the time. And you know, there are people who watch you on CNN, but a lot of people see you like joking around a lot. And what a lot of people don't know is probably every day, frequently you are arguing some sort of case and you won't really talk about it. You don't share a lot of details, but when it's over, you might say, oh, this happened, or you'll just drop

I don't think I manage it well. I don't think I think that how do you manage it? Is a presumptive, you know kind of question. It's the question is rooted in presumption, because you know, I think we all struggle individually, usually under the cover of darkness. The challenge that I have, though, is that I have to be a husband and raise

I mean, we're gonna be all right.

People might want to try mushrooms on sweet potato.

That might actually be.

Let's do this before we before we get to our call to action. Let's do one moment of celebration because all of our little nephew he get on their sometimes. By the way, I'm going to sports ball Tiffany, Uh, all of our all of our little nephew shoulder saying, this's got his first win as a starting quarterback.

And sometimes you do it. Don't make it easy. Plus roll the clip of shador.

You don't throw no salt time it just let it be sweet, just and spring because.

Excuse me, I was gonna say, obviously I know about it, but can you all please explain to the audience for those who don't, Okay.

When it's crazy, it's amazing, you know, off of one week of practice. You know what I mean, this one week of practice, so imagine you know what a full off season looked like. It get dangerous, but it's just a one week of practice. So I'm just truly thankful. You know that everything happened.

So I wanted to just say for lack of confidence.

Sorry, I wanted to say and shout out to that confidence, the black boy joy. And also he deserves to be confident. But I wanted to say, tip, I know you're going to shador. Sanders is joined the Cleveland Browns. He's done something that no other rookie quarterback has done since nineteen ninety five.

Against the Las Vegas Raiders.

He had his first victory as a member of the team, and shout out to them twenty four to ten.

And he should be confident. He had a good go.

I'm with it.

And the reason I let that ride is because when Baker Mayfield or another white boy comes out there and acts the same way, they call that swag. And so I got to be able to be able to call it swag. But Monk's family, I can be like man that boy, that boy confidence is through the roof and it's all good. I'm happy for him, glad he got a victory to ques. The thing about the NFL, though, is you got to get more than just one. And

Yep.

Can I man ask one question? I was gonna explain. Angela already explained it. She took what I wanted to say, so I just will follow us a question. We're well, I will explain this, but I'll allow somebody else to explain. He did not get recruited early in the process. He didn't get drafted.

Early in the process. Why because we're talking about his car.

I got a whole theory about that. I got a simple theory, really unpopular.

Oh I want to hear this. Come on, KKK, let's keep it going today. Dad got there. Let's keep it going.

Maybe maybe, just maybe the simple answer and the most obvious reason is the answer, which is he just ain't that good.

Wow.

Wow, that's definitely not my theory. My theory was going to be. You know, I think that Shadur had a really big college.

Run with a lot of nil deals.

As you all know, Nio became all right while he was in college. And I think that because of how much you know, confidence is attached to the Sanders brand, he was I think penalized by it, I mean penalized for it. I think in so many ways, you know, NFL.

Owners, they can collude.

To keep people out, they can collude to lift people up and keep them in when they're not that good be And I think that there was a very concerted effort to punish him, to teach that little black boy lesson.

I don't have any facts. I just got a conspiracy theory too.

It's based on history, right, Black af history, by the way, which is still on the New York Times.

Bestsellers list, And I think that there's something to.

That, like we have to be able to hold two things. This is a young man who has worked very hard throughout his entire life, throughout his college career, and I think is going to continue to work hard. Now. There are people who get drafted very high up all the time that they know they're attached to the brand because they know it's going to sell tickets. If for no other reason, I would have drafted the dude because it's

Bakari. I definitely don't.

And now I know what, And first of all, he's an NFL quarterback. Ain't nothing below average about him.

I didn't NFL quarterback.

Well though a black NFL quarterback got drafted number one in the draft. Yeah, that's true, so by the Tennessee Titans. And so you know, he doesn't come in necessarily with the baggage. I've been a you know, a deemed a hater for a long time because South Carolina State used to whoop up on Jackson State.

But that's neither here nor there.

Because you might be closer to you might be close to me, at least to my opinion on it, I don't have a I don't have a trunk opinion.

Just to say that, I just want to say, start they.

Start pipelining these kids. They've got these quotients from middle school. You know where they are they are I mean no, across the country. I mean this thing is like a people.

Bet on this stuff.

Oh yeah, but Alabama, Mississippi or all these places. Man, they're watching these kids. They can't make introduction, you know, they can't you know, approach them.

But these scouts.

Are they are they are collecting stats on these guys, visiting them middle school, hanging out, checking them out. And so the whole the whole recruiting piece to me, has become very scientific, very data driven. And then the sor the X factor, the thing that then makes the difference are some of I think what you know, what what what Angela's getting at? You know, is he overconfident? Is he a little too big version, what's his attitude? Does he play well with it? You know all these other

Well this we're gonna get. Oh go ahead, I'm sorry, let me.

Just flag this really quick because again I know Tiff was going to raise this, but since you brought up the black quarterback that was drafted by the Tennessee Titans. I think it prudent for me to acknowledge that my team, the Seattle Seahawks, which has an eight and three record, beat the Tennessee Titans, which has a losing record. They have won one game one in ten record with that black drafted quarterback.

Boy, why are you shitting on him? He can't play all the positions. The boy is good.

Now, The boy's good. He's just out there by himself. Anyway, we wanted to, We wanted to in this in this in this piece on a on a celebratory note. So shout out to the young man because he will. This is something you'll always remember. It's your first victory in

You know, sometimes people listen and they listen to mine.

I don't know about y'all, but you know, our call to actions to kind of get people to go out there and do a little bit more of this holiday season, So TIF go ahead and start.

Oh man, it's always me first.

Okay, Well, I'm disappointed that I'm not going to be because i have to run. I'm on deadline, and I'm not going to be part of the Marklamont Hill situation.

But if you.

Just start to expand your news diet, but even just your reading diet and understanding the geopolitics and the history of Africa, you will note a lot of times what we see in Western media is a complete conflict to what the rest of the world is experiencing. And if you pay attention to these things, you will also know a very sharp shift in the global stage a very sharp shift in world superpowers and a very clear rise

We're glad to be able to do that.

We'll get to the rest of the CTAs after this interview with Mark Money.

Yeah, thank you for.

Letting me do that.

I want to come back and don but thank you for letting.

Me get nice.

It's smart.

He is confident, keep going.

That's right. Nobody knows.

Look, we get a we get a chance today to spend some time with our brother. We talked about him a few times on this show. He is a is a intellectual, he is brilliant, He is a professor, he is a writer. He is just an all around renaissance man of the culture, none other than Mark la my Hill. Welcome home, brother, How.

Are you welcome home? Mark?

Oh Man, I'm still happy to be here. I'm happy to be home.

Can I just can I just say one thing before we started. I was I was looking for Mark's number earlier this year, and I called the number I had, and then I watched Mark on the show talk about how he changed numbers and only the people he wanted to have this number.

I'm so glad you went.

Brother.

I thought you were gonna say strip Club answered, I said.

Okay, Well I was on the outside of Mark circle, so I didn't get it. So I think Tiffany sent it to me involuntarily. But welcome home. Brother's glad glad.

You I sent you the numbers. It was funny, is I said you, And I said, all, y'all a number, But I turned I was having a security issue that I was getting and so I did it like real suddenly in the middle of the night, I changed the number and I sent it, but it went green for most people. So like everybody I know thought that they got this because they didn't get the number, and I had to like show people. Look, I sent it to you back in January, so you you were definitely on

Yeah, I appreciate that.

What's going on, Auldre Pittman and you know, so you put me in touch with your old track college classmate. Shout out to Audi Doctor Pittman Price, shout out to her for sure.

I want to ask you, Mark, so you know you are a multi platform You have a show on Al Jazeera. You are one of the hosts now of Joe Budden's podcasts. You have nice school on YouTube. You are trying to reach our people on every side, and I think we join you in that. But the most important question of this particular hour, doctor Mark lawan Hill, is are you an asshole?

A hard hitting question?

You know, I do what I can.

Mark is going viral right now for shading Brian McKnight for calling him an asshole.

And he had facts, So I have some facts too. Mark.

Now, I'm happy to go down my list to see if it all checks out, but I'm willing to allow you a yay or nay right in this moment before I go down my list.

I'm scared of any research Angels done because she's too thorough. But but second, I'm an asshole just on his face, I acknowledge it. I'm not a Brian McKnight genre asshole, uh, but I am. I'm like a smart ass, I'm like snarky I can tell you right, you know what I'm saying, like, that's why I fit in here.

We all you know, I mean, we are using tricky words on us. Mark, that's you.

Let me ask you a question though, because you're SOMTI, because you're so multi platform, how do you how do you prepared? Because I mean, it's different audiences and you have to be decently talented to meet each respect the audience.

What is that?

Because there are a lot of young people who listen to this show who want to be like you, who want to spend time on the forms. How do you prepare to meet those very very different audiences? Al Jazeira's audience is probably different from the Joe Button podcast, although there's a little overlap. But you know, how do you prepare to go into those different arenas?

Deep study? Deep study? You know, I tell people all the time the hardest part of all of this is having the discipline to do the homework.

You know.

I meet professors who tell me that they want to be public intellectuals. And what I find is that when I meet the young grad student who's getting a PhD and they say they want to be a public intellectual, what they really mean is they want to be famous, you know, they want to be at the parties, they want to be on TV, they want to get stopped on the street. And I say, the best thing you can do to prepare yourself for any kind of serious

Let me explain. Let me explain that to you if you want to.

Doty explain it too well with Cary, I tell you if you know what I.

Know, that's true.

You know I don't know what just happen. Please Andrew, No, I would, I would know.

I actually want to stay with this, this this line of questioning about preparation and to meet very audiences. There is oftentimes critique for entertainers celebrities who wade into political conversations or high political topics. Let's say Nicki minaj I e you know in Nigeria right or really the quote Christian persecutions occurring there.

Uh.

And we're going to talk a little bit about this later as well, my fellow co hosts. So I didn't want to go to deep in it, but Mark you you're something you said, jarred me on it, because how do you find the balance between wanting to invite as many diverse accessible voices as possible into the political discourse. God knows, we need more people talking about what's happening in this country, in our communities around the world affecting

And that's not what I'm saying.

But I do know that you get degrees in political science because I've got one, and I know that there are people who go to school for the study of these things and then are real practitioners in the work and reflect important analysis, experience, history contexts for these conversations.

Where do you come down.

On the side of of of And I'm thinking very specifically about sort of the entertainment crowd that is oftentimes sort of harangued into these things for one offs and then toss to the side after they get shredded by every you know, googler out there about what they got right or what they got wrong on something.

You come, yeah, you know.

It's it's a tight rope, and we often put celebrities in a very uncomfortable spot or maybe an impossible position. We ask them, we demand from them sometimes to speak up on issues. Why aren't you talking about such and such? And then when they say something we don't agree with, we say, you don't know what you're talking about. Stick to stick to rap, and stick to basketball, stick to baseball,

But it's OK.

They are and it just is and that's what it is. They've been doing it all week. But for me, I don't have an issue with Nicki Minaj is saying, hey, I care about the persecution of Christians. I don't have an issue with her saying, hey, I want to weigh in on matters that are taking place on the continent of Africa. I think we should do more of that. My issue is she took the talking points and the argumentation I mean literally literally from Maga. Now again just

Ll be real?

Yeah, yes, go ahead, No, we're gonna We're gonna roll this clip first because I have a question on the backside. I think we do. We but definitely because my question is more generic. After we wrote this clip of Nicki Minaj and Harris Faulkner. But I have a just a more generic question, like what do we do with Nicki Minaj? How do we engage her? Do we engage her? Does she get credit for even having the courage to speak up or speak out about something she believes in? Those

Especially as artists and people in entertainment, I think it's it sometimes can feel scary to speak up about anything that may not be the norm or the popular thing to speak about. I never care if something is popular. I care about what rings true to me. To people who are going through hard times right now in Nigeria, I hope that when they see this being done, that it makes them feel heard. You know, that it makes them feel like Okay, someone someone cares.

Yeah, as Nicki minajen her, as Harris Faulkner put it her Sister in Christ right after she spoke at the United Nations last Tuesday, Cary, I'll yield to your question.

Yeah, no, I mean what do we so like? I mean, so you have somebody who took a risk, right, who win in front of an audience that's non traditional.

I see, I've never heard.

I'm sorry, what's the risk?

I mean, just I would I would assume just Nicki Minaj having or the courage. I'm just I'm trying to play devil's advocate over here. That may not be the correct term, but there may be people who evaluate this and look at this and say that she's going to speak up for Christianity in front of an audience the non traditional for her. The four of us have some very strong critiques about the analysis she put forth. Where do we find that middle? Is there middle? Do we

What is?

What do you do next with somebody who has the platform of Nicki Minaj when they take the step?

Well, well, first, I read her as generously as possible. That's the first thing I do. I begin from that space of grace. I don't from the worst in Nicki Minaj. I don't assume that she's being cynical. I don't assume that she's being mendacious. I also don't sort of infantilize her by saying you're being duped by the right, you know. You know, I don't like that stuff. And I don't assume that she has a mental health issue, you know, or that this is drug induced. I'm raising those things.

After you pointed out.

I didn't see the Harris Fucker full interview. But do you all know whether or not Harris asked her about the two Trinidadians who were killed in the Yess government.

I highly doubt it, but I love that you brought up her Trinidadian roots and what's happening with this administration. Is she going to turn a blind eye to that? To Mark's very point about when DJ Khalen is Palestinian and hasn't spoke out when his people are being harmed in part by the country or the inaction or the direct action of this country. So what is she going to say about out these fishermen right being killed in foreign waters?

There is violations of international law happening. And I've heard her.

Maybe she did in her backroom conversation with President Trump or the UN ambassador. Maybe that's what they talked about on the side.

And for the audience. This is in reference to the President taking the very, very controversial, many believe illegal step of deciding unilaterally who is a drug smuggler and who is in and killing first and maybe asking questions later. But I've yet to see any evidence yet produced by the US government under Trump of how many kiloid kilos they found after these boats. That's where they are boats.

That's all they are finding is keiloids.

Andrew they finding keiloids because that's what happens to our skin sometimes when we get piercing. Now, I have one other point I want to raise on this, because one thing that you raise is so important. When we go in to do this type of work, when people ask us to speak out on issues that we're less familiar with, it's incumbent upon us, regardless of our platform, to talk

Nigeria's government insists it's taking steps to stop violence that targets all Nigerians.

As irresponsible government, we refuse to approach the fight against terrorism from a profiling point of view. That's why we discourage the idea that it is a target targeted Kristian, it's a hawk, It's a hawks.

Daniel Bowala is a Special Advisor on the Media Tubola Tanubu, who became Nigeria's President in twenty twenty three. Biwala grew up in Borno State, the epicenter of Boko Haran violence.

We leave through these experiences where we have a little of a love war. Have them been killed by Bokoharam when it started the killings by the terroories or the insurgents or the Boharam. It is not targeted at any particular religion.

Especial Advisor to the President.

Sorry about that, I misspoke, but yes, I just I wanted to raise that briefly, no question. Just wanted to raise that Briefly, Marcus write, in alignment with what you said about the violence being targeted towards people of both Christianity and Muslim religions, It's important for us to note that as we check, we fact check all of.

This before we switch gears, because it felt like the gear is about to be switched. What can people? What can people who are here right who are listening to this show, who maybe are engaged because of Nicki Minaj now and like, okay, well Niki talked about it, so it's the first time I heard about it, right, or maybe that what.

Can we do?

I mean, if we're concerned about what's going on right now in Nigeria, what tangibly can people do?

It's gonna be tough. There's a couple of things though, I mean, one thing you should think about is the humanitarian issue on the ground. There are people who are being harmed the Bocal Haram in particular, but also some of these other groups engage in sexual violence in addition to kidnapping and murders. So there are humanitarian organizations right now who are helping deal with rape crisis, who are helping deal with not famine but food insecurity because of

I love that this is going to be a great PSA for US mart because your camera switched right on Q as you did this.

You're a new one. Mark.

You just mentioned how very little happens on the continent that attracts American political leadership's attention. And we can recall from Trump's first term in office where he referred to

I think you're asking the right question. And again I'm going to defer to the experts on Nigeria because the one thing I've learned to do in my in my old age is and that yeah, stay in my lane and not speak too much about things I don't know too much about. So I'm going to stick to the rivers and lakes that I'm used to, which is the evangelicals, right, Because there's two pieces to this. There is the financial investment in Africa that we've seen as Africa has been

That's very helpful, can I I want to ask you Mark, because we've you know, spent a good amount of time talking about Nigeria and we've talked a little bit about Palestine.

I want to.

Ask you about the sacrifice you've made. We mentioned on this show how connected you've been to the people of Gaza and Palestine Palestine writ large.

But I just I can't.

You have been talking about this longer than like the newer protesters, the people's a tension has been awakened and consciences have been really pricked about what's happening in Palestine, and I just want to ask you, you know, what do you think is going to take to finally see peace in that region, to finally see a ceasefire happen, to finally see Palestine Anian lives matter right the same way that we cry out for black lives to matter here in this country.

You are a scholar.

This is a place where you're absolutely an expert, and sadly, I know you have to run out so in like in a in as briefly as you can, but as passionately as you can. What can you tell people who still don't care and need to care, is because it could happen to any of us.

So I'm to have them not connected.

I'm gonna give them because the I'm like Tony Marrison when I say people, I mean black people. So I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell people why they should care. I'm gonna get three reasons. First reason is I think in general, just as an ethical matter and as a moral matter, we should care about human life. And right now, there are numerous places, not just historic Palestine, but we could look in Sudan, we could look at Haiti, we could look in Congo Uh. There are lots of places

Now.

One of the questions I wanted to ask you is is going back to Nigeria because I'm intrigued by this because it's a political debate that comes up quite often. And just this week, those shut its doors, right, those dismantled a lot of what we did throughout the world in terms of soft power, et cetera. And there's been this void that has been filled by the Chinese. But talk about this kind of global nexus and competition that we're seeing for what are the resources of black people

I think that's one hundred percent right History Mark twenty I think said, you know, history doesn't repeat itself, but you know it rhymes. You know, this is very similar what we saw in the first part of twenty century. When we think about the scramble for Africa, when we think about after World War One, when suddenly Europe was after you know, after the immin Empire sort of collapsed. You saw what happened in the Middle East. You see

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That interview was dope with Mark and smart smart man. I wanted to kind of wrap up the show. I mean, there's not much left to be said. Sometimes you, as we say down South, you gotta leave well enough alone, Andrew give us a call to action.

If you don't happy Thanksgiving, everybody, we showed up for you on this thanks for giving a week as a lot of folks are off, including.

My three kids that are upstairs. They need to let out of the room. They've been in there for hours. But I feed them, y'all.

I would just say, really, if you do get the opportunity to take time, no matter how big or small the gathering is, try to put down our devices and give some like devoted attention to the to the people who.

We don't have forever with and they don't have forever with us.

So try to enjoy the space that we occupy, you know, doing more than just breathing together while we're on our cell phones, but chatting, talking, getting to know our aunts, uncles, cousins, and them asking questions of our elders that might make them feel for a moment that they're more than just your grandparent or a grand or a great aunt, but they that they're people too, that they're seeing through the lens of like these people have full lives and still living.

Appreciate that mine is. I'm gonna let Angela go last to kind of take us into the holiday weekend. But mine is kind of simple. Something we talked about earlier with rankin County. But I just want us to pay attention to the people that are in the shadows doing this Thanksgiving. I know that we get all geared up and giddy about celebrating family when there are people out there sometimes that don't have much to celebrate. Let's make

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