We the People–But Who’s “We”?

tell your best friends and your friends friends. I'm sure I did that wrong, Angela, you got a correction for me.

to get us to this point? And then we can get beyond this point, hopefully after we start to name what the factors are that have gotten us so deeply in this thing. So let's get it started, all let's get it started, all right? If I could have this wrong, but I think this might be the question that we were referring to just a few moments ago.

and still disagreed, still passionately disagreed with my perspective. And I think it is a very small person who cannot engage in intellectual debate, who will become so offended by another take that you can't take it. So I actually enjoyed reading the comments. I responded to a few, As you all saw, I asked questions of people, especially people were like, I'm done, you know, and I was curious, like, well,

what is being done look like to you? So I just wanted to clarify and and a few mistakes that I made. One a lot of people were saying, please cite your sources from where are you getting these numbers, which is very fair and normally I always try to do that, and my apologies for not doing that, But just so you all know, I am never doing a thirty second Google search while we're on the air and

presenting that to you as facts. These are things that I have read about research, crosstabs, talk to people, talk to experts. Really dug into it out of respect for having this platform and out of respect for the people who tune in every week. And so I went to the community pages AAPI vote, the Arab League of Voters, I may have that wrong, the Latino vote Undo, us AP vote cast, talk to social scientists, and just something I want to caution people on those numbers is exit

polling is notoriously unreliable. And so that's why you have to have multiple sources when you're looking at who voted and how they voted, because that often changes. And so when this data was coming out among a lot of the curious folks, we were all looking at it and side chatting and talking about it. So thank you guys for asking for being curious enough to know.

community that exists. They work, you know, and they're black towns with black mayors, black city council, black gowned grocery stores.

think he meant foreign policy and the immigration issue. And I just want to clarify that it is not my ministry ever to work with people who.

on a narrative. So for example, if I'm looking at polling, I'm not going to just look at the article that qualifies the polling. I'm going to look at what they hyperlinked. Where did they get this information from. So if they say something like, well, I'm just making this up, this is not a real number. If they say something like nine out of ten people in aero community voted for that's not a real number. I'm making that up. But I'm gonna look at this with some intellectual curiosity. What

are you basing this on? If this is an exit poll, who are you considering in the Arab community? Who are these people? Was it specific to a region or when you say this, did your polling Because not all poles are created equal. When you say this, are you including people under eighteen? Undocumented migrants who can't vote, and sometimes you will find that the data does include that. I'm not a social scientist, so I often have to lean

on people who are. I talk for hours to the Phernana Mandhi, Terrence from Hit Strategies, who Angela knows, Cornell Belcher, Slinda Lake, you know people who can understand these things better. So just combing through that data is really important. White run newsrooms will say something and then when you look into it, often there's a nuance that they miss. My only ask of people is that we care. I'm not even saying go out and do anything right now, because

I don't know what that is. Andrew, I would love for you to address what he said about protesting is to be honest, I don't I don't know that I'm in a protest state of mind. I don't know that I'm in a state of mind of I don't think that my position has changed since the election. I think I still feel the same way. I think I'm still feeling like is this a democracy that we even want to uphold?

never worked on policy. But I have gone into communities and done anti black work in the era of community, in the API community, in the Latino community. I've helped with research, I've set on panels. I'm not a researcher, but I've been interviewed. I offer some black perspective to these communities and organizing work that I've done across all communities of color, including the indigenous communities. Phil I just want you all to understand when I bring something to you,

it is thought out. You don't have to agree, and I definitely appreciate people's perspectives, but at fourteen percent of the population, I just don't know that this is a war that we can go at alone. I think we do have to have soldiers. And if you know, forty eight percent of Latino men voted for Trump. Of course that number is too high. Of course there's anti black sentiment, but that could also mean that there's fifty two percent of people that we may be able to reach and

lock arms with. Even if you disagree with that, I think when it comes to having a man yanked out of his home and sent to an offshore torture camp, I think we have to dig in our humanity a little bit just to care, because if we don't think we're in the same path of destruction, we're misguided. So anyway, I want to hear what you guys have to say, because I think what his point also was, like all that protests and and f all this kind of gets to what Angela was saying that she wants to talk about.

And I don't know that I disagree with that, Like I don't know that I feel differently from f all this. I can say f all this and still have the heart to care about fellow human beings.

of immigrants or immigrants themselves. Marcus Garvey comes to mind, a child of an immigrant, Malcolm X comes to mind. And I think the other thing that is bothering me, as you know we do this tour is one of our partners is the Black Alliance for Just Immigration, and they released the paper recently, right after Trump's one hundred first one hundred days, and they are talking about the number of black migrants who are being impacted by what's going on.

thousand Haitian people will be impacted by that. There are five hundred and fifty two nine hundred and fifty seven black immigrants who are eligible for TPS from six other countries who will be impacted by that. There is a whole research paper about that. I'll make sure that Nick on our production team gets a link to that so you can see that. I implore you, even if you just read the executive summary, to look at how many

black people are impacted by this. So the very bottom line the TIF just reference around us being twelve, some people argue thirteen fourteen percent of the population that includes black migrants fam so your numbers get real low after that.

So I am going to fight to protect whatever protections we have left.

some in some shape or form. If we were to really trace back right that if this happening there, can you imagine what it's going to look like when it hits us. That almost as a cautionary note that these folks aren't playing and they're not discriminating. They won't all to like and brown folks wrangled up and shipped out and off to some place. I would, obviously, I'd love to appeal to the humanity of all of us to

care about one another. In fact, I was my my my twins graduated from fifth grade last week, now going into middle school. Got to help us all.

the world to bring attention funding food. These were black folks in America doing what they could for folks on the continent, largely black folks on the continent, but people on the continent who wouldn't necessarily relate to us as African Americans, right, but rather as descendants of various parts of the continent that we have to be bigger, we

have to. In fact, it'd be a pretty damn depressed place to live if all we ever did was concentrate on the me me, me, me, me of it all, largely because we are likely then going to miss the next attack, the next you know, onslaught that's coming our way, because we're so bareled in. So you know, I don't think this is lecture season. I just think I just want, you know, to join you all and clarifying I wasn't necessarily really appealing to the greater humanity, but rather cautionary note.

All over the place, we're seeing it happen everywhere and when it hits your block. And I still maintain people plug in when you're not just on their street, but you got to be up to drive, and damn they're coming in the house before we recognize the severity of the threat. Otherwise it's kind of just it's kind of white noise in the space.

it's happening. But it brings me back to our conversation in your house, on your couch and on your floor a couple of years ago, where we were talking about imagination, Like if we had a whiteboard and we were in control of the pen and we could we could we could write this thing however we wanted it. What we would look like, how our families would look, what marriage is for us would look like, Uh, what a success redefine this time by us look like. But it really

does reemphasize it's a luxury, y'all to dream. It's a luxury to pull back and say, man, if we could do it all over again. And by the way, this doesn't mean you can't be you can't be poor and not have imagination. You can be any strike. But it just does require us lifting above our circumstances to say, man, if I had my dreathers, this is what it would look like out of anybody's box. There are no boxes, there are no walls, there's no ceiling, there's no floor.

It's just whatever I think and I wish for our people. And I mean it's from the bottom of my heart that we could really collectively, individually dream cast and then start to take the steps that might help us actual lives what those dreams might be.

the imagination. You know, I have to tell you Andrew that conversation we had. As you know, I'm Andrew is kind enough to let me read to him some of the things that I've been writing, and so he knows that I've written about that. And as you were saying that, there are so many conversations I'm having lately that I carry with me and I want to offer this to the audience. I'll get more to it in my CTA.

But I've been having breakfast and coffee or just sitting with the thinkers, the intellectual what I would call intellectuals, the elders, the seers, some and one person who has been so kind to oblige me with his time. I have to beg him for weeks and then all the blue he'll say, okay, I can meet for you know, breakfast now. But every time it was like five hours. And that's doctor Greg Carr, who is just a visionary. And I get to just worship and sit from his

fountain as he talks me through things. Sometimes it's not a name you would know, you know. Sometimes it's just miss Pauline, who's eighty six years old living in one of these communities, black communities, who lets me sit on her porch with her for hours.

be quiet in your stillness. And even in some of the comments that were a bit more combative, it is like, yeah, you want to debate with me all day and I'm not even thinking about you, Like I'm like, thin, debate with yourself. And I don't even say that in an ugly way. I mean debate with yourself in terms of challenging your own notions, have some curiosity for yourself about

what does this all mean? And I think when we think about like conversations like this, and when I get to just sit and listen to people and I can ask my questions because I'm not asking questions in debate. I'm asking questions from a place of thirst for knowledge. You know from your wise decades spent in these years that nothing but days on this earth can afford you, Like what have you witnessed?

So as we think about democracy and moving to that conversation, I would just invite us to think about not just what happened here, but what's happened here one hundred times before this moment happened. Because these moments have happened, it's time. It is a flat circle on repeat repeatedly, again and again. One hundred years ago, this happened, five hundred years ago,

this happened a thousand years ago, has happened. And that's what reading affords you, That's what listening and learning with curiosity affords you, a.

like there ain't nothing new under the sun. We've seen this before, and I actually think that that's part of the superpower of our people. A lot of times those voices are the sobering ones when we think the train is over the cliff, and it sometimes takes those folks who have been here a little while seen able something to just remind us, like we've survived this, We're going to survive it. You know. Again, we will have to dig into your fatalist view of you know, the things.

But Angela, what you got on this before we transition to your topic.

our behalf. Basically this notion of a trustee over us rather than a delegate, and these were people who would then take in information and decide based off their worldview what should be what. I don't know that that is the truest reflection of what we might understand a democracy to be, but it's certainly what the founders pass on

to us. So before we get too deep into the question of whether or not this thing has been lost and what led to it being lost, I'd love to hear y'alls thoughts on whether or not you how would you, in your own description describe democracy, if that's the thing that you want us to strive toward. What would be your definition of what democracy is? Doesn't have to do websters, but just what's you? You know, what's out of the heart?

is like the convergence. Yeah, it's the convergence of both, like it is. I feel frustrated that it took all of this for people to understand how on the brink we've been for many year years. Some people would argue that the brink was Citizens United. Some people would argue that the brink was Mitch McConnell not confirming Barack Obama's pick for the Supreme Court.

argue that it became an issue in sixteen nineteen. And I think regardless of when you make the argument, the fact remains that there are people who have cautioned us, like John the Baptist in the Bible, for many years that this has been problematic, and we have not taken heed to any of the caution We didn't take heed when the person by the side of the road said I'm hungry and there's no refuge for me. We didn't take it as a cautionary measure. When kids couldn't work

in the summer. We didn't take it as a cautionary measure when people couldn't afford healthcare.

because everything he said in that speech was truth. However, sixty minutes is of course on CBS, which is under Paramount. Paramount is trying to Shehrry Redstone, who is the majority shareholder of Paramount. Some of the Redstone's daughter is trying to sell Paramount to sky Dance. Now, when you're trying to sell something that big, you've got a right which involves the FTC and the DLJ. Now, because the Trump administration is they made a big deal and essentially lied

because they've they've been attacking media. I won't get into the all the minutia, but they've been attacking media, and so sixty minutes have come under fire because they said that they're claimed falsely and incorrectly that they were partial

to Kamala Harris during the election. And so as a result, the executives at Paramount say to sixty minutes, they start trying to filter some of their stories, and they say to them, we want to see everything you're doing for the rest of the season that has anything to do with Trump. Sixty minutes has always been the gold standard in journalism. So for them to say something like that, your news division always operates independent of any business dealings.

For them to say that to the gold standard to sixty minutes, it was so jarring that the executive producer quit, Don Hewett quit, and so then you had Scott Pelley come out and close the show and kind of say at the end, it is a sad day for this broadcast, like I cannot believe that they're asking us to do this. And he gave this, you know, very glowing farewell to

the executive producer who left. So for him to come out at wake Forest University and say declared, this is a problem in our society, I just wonder how that's going to play within the halls of paramount, particularly at CBS.

So I love Scott Pelly for that. I'm happy he said something I've you know, had some criticisms of CBS over the years, but they have done solid reporting, solid journalism. So I'm happy that he said that, and it punctuated all the points that I, Angela made.

of the American dream. They've only known the horror to the story, only lived the horrors of the story, and in fact that many instances have had the institutions weaponized and turned against them for as long as memory serves. So we know what it isn't, But what is it?

to the media, the responsible of the media. You talked earlier on this call about campaign finance issues, the access to the voting booth. You know, we're in a society where as he just talked about in the excerpt of the speech we played, where diversity and difference is called illegal, right, Like, I don't know what else you can't which you can say about that? And then the construct of a two party system where you have to figure out a way to force yourself into a space that may or may

not really represent your interests. There are a bunch of issues, and I think that it would do our podcast good, on our community good to even engage around this about what are all the broken pieces. There are focus groups that were done over the last several weeks and then this Catalyst report that came out. But in these focus groups, they go and they talk to black folks who've traditionally been Democratic voters about all the issues they see with

the party. Well, the issues that they see with the party are also the things being reflected back in society right The party, the Democratic Party, is seeing itself as the thing that should be the protector of a system that in so many ways isn't affront to us, has been disrespectful to us, has not seen us, has not valued us, and has treated many of us as a transaction. I'm not suggesting that we go to the other party. I'm suggesting that we find ourselves homeless, you know. And

I think that that is another real issue. So we are wrestling with a crisis that we saw play out in an election in this past fall. We are seeing one that played out in election in twenty sixteen, on the other side of a pandemic in twenty twenty where people can.

would argue has completely failed. But when Fox News got in the position where they could disconnect facts from basically that there would be o true arbiter of what is real and what isn't. So they eroded the lines, They confused the facts and came up with alternative facts, and then made alternative facts a thing, right, when really an alternative fact is a lie and an alternative fact is false. But they were able to blur the lines between what

is somebody's opinion and then what is a fact. Everybody's entitled to their own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own fact. The facts are what they are, and you can derive from them whatever opinion you may wish. But there are some agreed upon foundational things that if we're both looking at this goddamn paper and we see twelve and twelve is the only number on there. You can't say thirty two. And unfortunately they got away with that. And there's that genie has not been put back in

a bottle at all. In fact, it's running rampant all throughout the society. And our failure at the regulatory place to enforce some some dictums, some some regulatory consequence for that erosion is the fault of a democracy, is the fault of the institution's failing largely due to cowardice, I would submit. The other thing I would say is democracy to me doesn't and shouldn't equal a two party system.

In fact, I think I think I would like to imagine a place where parties different than what they do today, where they have statutory significance and presence. There are that there are lines and laws that describe how Democrats and Republicans are to then extract power or assume their power. Our democracy, and it gives no regard to other minor parties, none of any significance. So what if everybody at the age of eighteen or sixteen were able to vote without registering.

What if, by right of the fact that you were a US citizen that you can go in any ballot box wherever it is that you call yourself home and vote on any election. And why is it that if you are a Democrat or a Republican, you're the only ones who participate in a primary and everybody else has to wait to the very end before people even know

that there's a race to be considered. An election has happened, and they haven't even been able to consume the information because they're not a part of the Democratic or the Republican party. In fact, in many states, no party affiliate

and independent is the majority registration. So if we were to abolish the fact that you didn't have to be a Democrat or a Republican and that the systems and laws were not constructed to to value you above everybody else, what if in a democratic society we had branches of government that were actually accountable to the people that put them there, meaning the voters, rather than the moneyed interests that runs roughshod over everything, regulatory, governance, you name it,

they got it. I think in a democracy, your history as a former felon should be of no consequence once you've repaid your debt to society. Meaning you served your time, and if you don't have a felony and you're incarcerated, you should be gift wrapped your ballot box because you still have the right to vote. Yet many of people who are sitting in jail yet waiting a trial are never ever reminded of the fact that they still have

their constitutional and legal rights to vote. So, from top to bottom, the system is designed for the powerful to keep power, and that's Democrat or Republican, for those in power to keep power, and everybody else to hell with you. They could care less. And then we wonder why people complain about never having their streets paved. No libraries, no fresh food markets, no no recreation that includes trees and paved parking, bike lanes and so on and so forth.

They've already told us that we don't matter. And then we try to do this exercise of get out to vote, get out the vote, get out to vote, and folks are like, vote for fucking what.

then we can go a lot further. So I don't even know, like when we talk about the party, I gotta be honest, I don't really care about the Democratic Party right now. That's not you know, I don't feel a line now that is not to say that we should not vote and we should not hold them accountable. You know, like we gave them power. And I mean that specifically we gave them power. We are the voting base, but I mean if we look at the macro and

not the micro. I just even this idea of capitalism, you know that that was born out of the plantation and slavery.

got to strike the term democracy. I talked about this before the book The Poison with Bible, where they you know, historical fiction where they talk about the reign of La Mumba and the you know, local savages as the white people looked at them, talked about how the American democracy makes no sense. You telling me this eighteen year old boy got as much power as me, and I'm a chief,

and his opinion counts the same as mine. You telling me because forty nine percent of your people can be unhappy just because fifty one percent of your people like it, that makes sense to y'all in America?

think y'all should just get the fuck out. I'm wondering now, like you know what, he might have had a point, because if we are still fighting these same battles, and it's true, we have never confronted that history, so if we're still fighting that, I just don't know that trying to save, repair, or build a system within this construct of whiteness and white power and a ruling class that has been overwhelmingly white makes sense for us. So I

just again, I don't know that we can serve. Even if I thought it was salvageable, I don't know that it's possible to save it. When looking at a multi racial, multi ethnic society where everyone arrives to participate on equal footing, I think they will worship their true God, and that is power, and they will destroy everything in its path before they allow that to happen.

protect itself, y'all. I know we are hitting this topic at a lot of different levels, but stick with us on the other side of this break.

I think I was trying to bring us into a conversation that deepens us into where the problems are, but not to rebuild it as is. I think it's about trying to ensure that we don't rebuild the same broken system. And I also I don't support having a ruling class, like I think that there has to be something that feels a little more democratic, something that feels a little more power or for all people. I'm sure when the Fox News types and all of their supporters and they're

they're the people that boost their content. The Republican talking heads get hold of this. We're gonna sound like socialist socialist Marxists, I'm sure. But I do think that the reality of it is is when you have some a few, the top one percent, which by the way, economically we're in the one percent in this country, when you try to protect the one percent or the point one percent, you're always going to have a challenge, You're always going

to have a problem. I don't think that that's the right structure for us to develop or for us to be a part of. There are societies, especially on the Content and in other places that exist that are not.

to kill you. So the body sends all of this resources to that space of penetration to make sure that we don't die. The body, I don't care how you put it. If you try to drown yourself, your body reflexively is going to want to survive. It is going to want to live. I compare that the same way as I would to a ruling class. Regardless of what your better higher angels are, your body means to remain in control your status of People mean to have it

their way. They can look as gratuitous as they want to. They can talk as graciously and gratuitously as they want to, including the billionaires who want to give away half their wealth or more than half their wealth. Give away half your wealth, your children's children's children's children's children plus plus

plus will still be filthy wealthy. So they're not they're not nihilistic about it, right, They're not saying I don't want nothing to go to my children's children and childrens children, No, no, no, no no. They weren't their children's children's children to enjoy the same privilege that they do walk in this earth today. So then they just don't mean they just don't mean to be inglorious about it. That's a version of capitalism, but it's also capitalism as a as a route to power.

kind of attitude, how do we win? And I and I guess that's why I'm trying. My thoughts are just I don't want to say elevated as in higher, but elevated as in I'm looking down at what's happening, trying to understand it all, and trying to under look backwards what happened a million years ago, what happened a thousand years ago, what's happening right now, and what's coming? And with that, I have to say, all empires fall. There

has not been one in history that hasn't. So this definitely, very much feels like this is the fall of this empire, and then what does that mean for humanity writ large? When you look at the populist movements across the globe, when you look at the genocides that we've only heard about a few, but there have been many, many, many, and there are still many happening. I'm reading this book,

sky Full of Elephants. It happens to be fiction. I'm reading two books, but this is my fiction that I'm reading, and Sky Full of Elephants is a work of fiction, but it definitely taps into the mind. And the premise is, one day, every white person walks into the ocean. They just are in the trans and they walk into the ocean and they're gone. And then you have a society that's left, and what does that society look like? You have Biracials kids whose moms are white who are devastated

they grew up in a white world. You know, they're sad. You have you know, black people trying to figure out how to maneuver. And there's a rumor like, don't go to the South, to stay out the South. It's awful, but that's where all the black people are. And you get down there and it is peace. It is an oasis, you know. But they've been telling everybody don't go down there because it is something to protect and know.

So in that sense, what might that look like? And is that leading us further into this civil war that exists right now? And in that case, they outarm us, they outnumber us, We got a lot of people on our size say nope, we know that, and we still not trying to ally.

A lot of folks celebrate the browning of America, and I'm not one who doesn't celebrate it. I just don't believe that it it it leads to a specific political outcome. I don't think that it means that all black and brown people then get together, harmonized and are like, we're the majority now. I don't think that's what happens.

American It's an experiment. And there are people high and low in every hemisphere, on every continent that are championing the failure of this experiment because it threatens the longest standing tradition of governance, which is of autocratic leaders monarchies or autocrats who take power and they helmet for themselves.

When we think radically about what democracy looks like, or really what power looks like, because I want to get outside of the construct there, I think differently than I think. How most people think of power is to be hoarded, to be kept. You know to be held sacred amongst a few selected people. I believe power is the gift that keeps giving. That the more you empower, frankly, the

more power that is inured to you. You are then magnanimous by extending power to your neighbor, and then your neighbor to their neighbor and their neighbor, and so on and so forth. But most people don't think about power that way. That the more you spread it, the more you actually get it, the more respect, the more deference comes your way. If that's what you're in pursuit of

the hoarders of it? Which is the which is? I think a very Eurocentric model of of of of defining power says that it must be tightly held between a small selective group of people or institutions, not to be shared democratically. And I think that that is what's going to help lead to our collapse, not just as a nation, I think as a people period. I don't mean to be going to ending days and ended times, but I

think that that's our collapse. We're we're I'm off, I'm probably going down a rabbit hole here.

the answer right here. I think that if we're truly talking about spreading decision making and power amongst people, a diverse range of people, then let's be in the practice of it. In fact, as we move to CTA's I'm sorry,

I'll start first. I'm sorry, lady, right, but I want to invite our listeners to offer up what their radical views, and only radical by virtue of the fact that either hasn't been thought of, or maybe it was thought of the once practice and then abandoned, or you know what, you just sitting on another cloud like Tiffany and I'll be doing sometimes when they take walks, you know, philosophizing. Yeah, yeah, making it worse here, but I want it. That's my invitation.

I want to be clear about it. I want to invite our listeners to offer up. If you think the system we have right now is broken, tell me, you know, tell us how would you redesign this thing? Maybe you scraped the whole thing, and maybe you just offer up your notion of what what does a beloved community for you look like? Maybe it is top down with a singular leader. Maybe it is democracy size, where we come to consensus as a group. I don't know, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

energy in a way. And one thing I thought about is as we are all getting older, we're losing a lot of our history. And so my CTA for people is for those of you who are still blessed to have your grandmother, your great grandmother, the elders in your life.

before then. And I hope that people take advantage of that time to listen and learn, because even if you're in the if you if you don't have those people when you're in Uber like instead of being on your phone like talk to I spend so many time asking Uber drivers, Oh, you're from India, what do the people there feel about Modi? Like, tell me what? Because I can read in the paper all day, but you live there. Tell me what are your thoughts about Modi? What is

your family's thoughts about Modi? People who live in Pakistan, I'm like, oh, what is your thoughts about India? You know, you guys are kind of in a war right now, and I get so much information from people, So I just would encourage other folks be in a space of quiet, listening and learning. I don't enjoy jumping out there giving my thoughts and opinions on everything. Every five seconds, CNN will ask me to come on and do stuff, and.

broken in the different pieces that are fragmented. So we definitely want to hear from y'all on that as well, whether you're seeing it on the local level, the state level in your communities, or on the federal level or even internationally. We want to hear that from y'all too.

And last tip already shouted out, but we will be in Jackson this weekend, and we hope to see y'all live at Tugalu College at one pm and of course supports State of the People Friday there as well as on Saturday, and we want to have guests on in Jackson as well. I'm sad won't be there, but hopefully we'll be able to see some of our other friends and have them on with us.

a live show, as it has already been mentioned. State of the People tour in Jackson said hey, this Saturday, May thirty. First, y'all be there. If you're in Jackson, visit State of Thepeople dot com to get a ticket. I'm so sorry State.

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