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Hey everyone, So it is another solo pod for a Native lamppod. I am your host, Angela Raie, and today we are talking about the real housewives of the Trump administration, also known as some of your appointed officials, some of them confirmed and overwhelming majorities by the United States Senate. And some of those same people had to make appearances on the latest Trump gate, which is what goes down in your signal threat It should probably not be military strikes.
Let's go ahead and roll, Senator Warner, today, this.
Was not only sloppy, not only violated all procedures, but if this information had gotten out, American lives could have been lost. This information could reposition their defensive systems. Did you participate in the group chat with Secretary of Defense and other Trump senior officials discussing the m and war.
Plans, Senator I don't want to get into this.
Man, ma'am. Did you were you on You're not going to be willing to addressation, so you're not are you denying? Matt? Were you answer my question, ma'am? You were not TG on this group chat.
I'm not going to get into this specific.
So you refuse to acknowledge whether you were on this group.
Chat, Senator, I'm not going to get into this.
Why are why are you going to get into specific? Is it because it's all classified?
Because this is currently under review by the National security.
Because it's all classified. If it's not classified, share the text now, Rector Radcliffe, were you on the group chat?
Senator? I was on a signal messaging group, So you were.
The John Radcliffe on that chat? I was thank you, thank you.
So my communications, to be clear, in a signal message group were entirely permissible and lawful and did not include classified information.
We will we will make that determination because if it's not classified, share the text with the committee.
Did you.
Contact the Defense Secretary or others after this specific military planning was put out and say, hey, we should be doing this on a skiff?
There was no classified material that was shared.
In that so that if there was no classified material, share it with the committee.
So what happened was if you all can't tell some of you may not have been following this at all. There's a little handy dandy thing we call our cell phones and there's a little handy dandy app we call Signal. Many of us use signal. In fact, I know White House staffers, as I talked about on my Instagram live last night, who have used Signaled on their personal devices. They are not allowed to download Signal onto their federal devices,
and let me tell you why they're hackable. So what these people decided to do was put signal on their personal device and talk about a government led a US government led strike on Yemen on signal. And the only reason why the American people know that there was an official government act conducted on behalf of the American people is not because it was on signal app and they got hacked. It was because the National Security Advisor added Jeffrey Goldberg, who just so happens to be the Atlantic
editor in chief, into this thread. And so what is now being discussed is whether or not the discussions about an attack that would happen, not that it already happened, that would happen on Yemen, was going to take place, and there was fierce debate about it on this signal thread, which included your Vice President, your Secretary Area of Treasury, your Secretary of State. That would be Marco Rubio, Tulcy Gabbert, the d and I director, and the National Security Advisor,
among others. Oh and let me not forget Pete Hegg said. And so normally these things happen, these types of strikes are discussed in something called the situation room. Well, they decided to have a liituation room led by Pete Haig. Saith, you're truly the most litty in the administration. So now let's go to Senator John Assov to hear what he had to say at today's committee hearing.
Director Ratcliffe, this was a huge mistake.
Correct, No, a national political no no, no, no, Director I said, We asked him, no question, and now you'll hold on a national political reporter you can you want? Was made privy the way sensitive information about it, the military operations, a foreign terrorist adding a reporter, and that wasn't a huge mistake. That wasn't a huge missa.
I think the characterized the embarrassment.
This is utterly unprofessional.
There's been no apology, there has been no recognition of the gravity of this error. And by the way, we will get the full transcript of this chain and your testimony will be measured carefully against its content, Thank you, mister chairman.
So you all know when there's like a badass child and they have done something that they shouldn't do, and then you trying to get them to apologize and they're like, no, you know, or maybe it's not even a bad child. Maybe it's you know, some years ago. I can't even remember what president it was. But in trying to confess that something was done wrong, the president says mistakes were made. Bruh,
who made these mistakes? Right? So I just named a laundry list of people who were on this signal thread talking about a national secure military strike essentially on international soil in Yemen with the editor in chief from The Atlantic, and all John oss I was asking is if this were a mistake, if it was a mistake, and John Ratcliffe full chest out, this is your CIA director, who was also on the thread. This has all been by the way, we're not even debating whether or not this
was the thing. Donald Trump went on air and said he don't know nothing about it. Well, all of your cabinet did, all of your national security advisors did. And John Radcliffe, who is the CIA director, is on the thread and he's not even willing to acknowledge the fact that mistakes were made, which is the lowest bar mistakes were made. Couldn't even say that. Let's go to Senator Mark Kelly.
So I understand that DoD policy prohibits discussion of even what is called controlled unclassified information or CUI on unsecured devices. Are both of you aware of that DoD policy.
I haven't read that policy.
Not familiar with the DoD policy, but I would say that the Secretary of Defense is the original classification authority for DoD and deciding what would be classified information.
So now we're not just saying we're not even saying mistakes were made. Now they're trying to argue about what is classified and what is not. My virtue of the fact that it was shared on a signal thread completely compromises that. So I had the lowest level clearance on the hill. I had a TS which is a top secret clearance. They're dealing with SCI clearance level information here,
But they're trying to say that it's not classified. And I would argue they may be right because Jeffrey Goldberg was in the chat, So if it was classified, it ain't classifying the morc job now shared it with the public visa vie Jeffrey Goldberg. So they're not willing to say that they know what level of classification this would have been. They're not willing to say that it's classified.
But here's the gag for me. In the real Housewives of the Trump administration, they're saying that they're not willing to turn over the text because right now it's under some type of investigation. What's the investigation?
Friends?
If it's not classified and no mistake was made, what are y'all exactly looking into? That is the question that I have, and I want to know, given everything that's going on, how exactly might y'all spend this? Let's look to Jesse Waters for that.
Do you ever try to start a group text you're adding people and you accidentally add the wrong person all of a sudden you're Mary knows all your raunchy plans for the bachelor party. Well that kind of happened today with the Trump administration. Mike Wallaz was putting together a group chat on Signal, an encrypted app, with the Secretary of Defense, the VP, and a bunch of other national security officials to collaborate on whether to strike Iranian proxies
in Yemen who keep firing missiles and shutting down shipping. Well, National security Advisor Mike Waltz accidentally added a reporter to the group text, and not a good reporter, Jeffrey Goldberg from the Atlantic, one of the biggest hoax artists around. Well, he heard some things he probably shouldn't have, but could have been a wee bit of a security breach. But it's not like they homebrewed a server and then bleached it or kept classified documents in their garages next to
their corvette. I'm sure it won't happen again.
So Jesse Water uses this opportunity to talk about y'all's I'm Mary. This ain't I'm Mary, bitch. This is the editor in chief of the Atlantic, who now has sci level, classified level information about bombing Yemen, which it hasn't happened yet, is going to happen with all of the top national security advisors, directors, cabinet secretaries, and the vice president of these United States on a signal thread, not in the situation room, talking about how America is going to deal
with violently another country. That's not I'm Mary, and I just want to I just want to tell you all because you know, I might know a thing about gas lighting. We have all had those toxic relationships or people who have tried to deal with us, maybe even toxic friends who are masterful at gaslighting. And what about ism? So you say, man, you really hurt my hand? Why did you close the door so hard? That did hurt my hand? And they say, well, my pinky toe is sore too.
Classic what about ism? Not dealing with the thing the issue at play that you're trying to lay in front of them to resolve for the purposes of accountability. No accountability, no acknowledgment of your pain. Just let me pivot to how you hurt my toenail back in the day. Okay, that's what about ism? Gaslighting is well, I know this thing happened, and maybe it's a we did he say a wee bit of a security breach? No bit, It is a huge security breach. But he said, this thing
is over here. But let me refocus you to this thing that happened with this person who ran for president, who was Secretary of State that I feel was way worse. Y'all tell me one time Hillary Clinton had y'all's information about some type of military strike about some type of US interview on a signal thread. He can't do it. He can't do it to the point where Hillary Clinton is tweeted about this yesterday like You've got to be
kidding me. And we're gonna talk about why. She probably said you got to be kidding me in just the moment. But first I want to go to the person on this podcast who regularly tells media about itself and tells us the expectations that we should have for media, and will give this situation or should we say lituation, more of the context it deserves to tell you why Pete heg Saith, who is y'all secretary of Defense, Why he shouldn't be drinking on the job, the kinds of things
that happen if you do drink on the job. I'm not saying he was drunk, buddy, it ain't joe us acting like it. And let's go to d Tiffany Cross to break down why all of this is such a big deal.
Tiffany, this is so utterly ridiculous. It's not only a national embarrassment, this is a national emergency. John, and I just feel like anybody who has the to to come on air and try to defend this. Scott, you just said that they're apologetic or that they've admitted some sort
of wrongdoing. We've just heard the Defense Secretary deny this whole thing and instead choose to attack Jeffrey Goldberg, who did the responsible thing by not reporting out everything that he heard on this or read on this signal chat. When this happened. I actually talked to some friends who worked in Intel during the Obama administration and the Biden administration, and I asked, how do you normally communicate about something
like this? And there's a skiff that you have to have the highest security level to participate in these conversations. You go in the room where there's no electronic devices allowed, there are no windows. It's taken very seriously. And this is what happens when you have a man whose first job in government was as President of the United States, who's politically in e FT, who employs people who are
politically in f There's nothing funny about this. We're putting our people who serve this country at danger, and we're asking people to believe nonsense. And this is a travesty. Do we think President She of China is tweeting or texting about his national security plans. Do we think vladimir's Zelenski is texting about his plans? Do we think President Vladimir Putin is spoon feeding Russian talking points to American
diplomats even on signal? This is a thing that people use to talk to their side pieces, something Hexcess would certainly know about. This is something that people need to talk about March madness. It is a crisis that we need to take very seriously, and we can't present this as journalists. We cannot present this as though these are two opposing political points of view.
This is a.
Serious issue that we need to take certain patriots Scott I find it really troubling because they ran on this whole idea of this pseudo patriotism, this regressive masculine patriotism. Yet everything they're doing runs against making America great.
So Tiff goes on to let dress him down on a number of other issues, But the main focus that I wanted to have there was what she said about how big of a deal it is that they were exposing critical well defense information to a reporter. Again, the editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic now Before I get into everything that tiff said, what I do think is important to acknowledge as well is that they are now trying to make a boogeyman out of Jeffrey Goldberg.
In communication strategy, what you will see, particularly in politics and political media is when something happens, there is normally someone who escapegoated. Sometimes that happens within the realm of like you're on the same side, but somebody has to go, so you will say, this person over here is the responsible one. So this person is the one who has
to be punished. Jeffrey Goldberg could actually experience punishment for that, because you know, we are living in fascists like times, so they could actually try to prosecute him or what have you. To again distract from the ineptitude of this administration. The real didn't earn it HighRes right, so they could end up scapegoating him. They certainly have begun doing that in the media. You saw it if you all watched Pete hegg say being asked about this by a reporter yesterday.
You saw it in what Jesse Water said, and you see Tiffany coming to the defense of Jeffrey Goldberg in terms of the standards that he used in his journalistic practices. Now, the other thing that I think is important that Tiff said is there's nothing funny about this. Some of us have been laughing, not because it's funny, but because it is incredulous to believe that folks would make this type of a mistake. Again, I worked on the Homeland Security Committee.
If any of us inadvertently exposed classified information, even sbused sensitive but unclassified information, or if we would have been tweeting about, or texting about, or signaling about, we have signal back dag y'allam. Oh, but if we would have been talking about it on signal, we would have experienced consequences, some of them criminal, could could be fine, could do jail time for these things. So that's why this is so important to understand what is at stake and why
what they did was so wrong. Now, there's one last piece that I want to share with y'all, and this was from a presidential debate in twenty sixteen Donald Trump versus Hillary Clinton. And I'm bringing it up because one of the things that you know, we talked about the scapegoat strategy, that boogeyman, the boogeyman for the Republicans right now for Trump supporters is Jeffrey Goldberg. But there's another boogeyman or should I say boogie woman, and it's the
what about ASM tactic on those emails. Let's play it.
I didn't think i'd say this, but I'm going to say it, and I hate to say it, but if I win, I am going to instruct my Attorney General to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception, There has never been anything like it, and we're going to have a special prosecutor. When I speak, I go out and speak. The people of this country are furious. In my opinion, the people that have been long term
workers at the FBI are furious. There has never been anything like this where emails and you get a subpoena, you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena, you delete thirty three thousand emails and then you ask it washam or bleach them, as you would say. A very
expensive process. So we're going to get a special prosecutor and we're going to look into it, because you know what people have been, their lives have been destroyed for doing one fifth of what you've done, and it's a disgrace and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of you, sir.
I want to follow up on that. I'm going to let you talk about it now.
Because everything he just said is absolutely false.
We understand that he was wanting to set up a special prosecutor to go after her, trying to appease the people who were just mad that a woman was running for president. But I do think that there are some things that we should know here to be fair and to be honest. Right, there were two secretaries of State in the past who used personal emails to conduct government business, Hillary Clinton and Colin Powell. Some of what they learn about in classified briefings is the many ways in which
government systems, government devices, and whatnot could be hacked. What you can guarantee is that there were no situation room convenings about strikes, military strikes, state department led interventions. None of that was happening on emails. None of that was happening on emails. There is absolutely a conversation to be had about why they would what intel they were relying upon to use their personal emails to use their own servers. Why did they think that was more secure than the
government than a lot of reasons why. I didn't know that, But I think that we have to understand the distinction here is major. We're talking about an operation, a strike that costs people's lives, that was violent, and that took place on March fifteenth under this administration. And we also have to understand that signal is not allowed to be downloaded on government devices because they are hackable, So there
is a big difference here. I think the other thing for us to keep in mind is that the FBI Director James Coleman, who so I'm still off you, but he said that there was no criminal activity in what Hillary Clinton did, which clearly indicates that there was nothing that was shared from a share from or to her email that was overtly classified and that compromised the government.
This is different. That is all that they did with multiple officials on multiple levels fist bumping each other in this chat, once the strike happens with American flags waving, there's a difference. Not only did they use this signal thread to talk about an approach, jd Vance says point blank he does not think the president understands the ramification of his actions, not in those exact words, but essentially that's what he says, and then they go on to celebrate this act as if it is all a good
thing to cost people their lives. So I think these are the kinds of things that we have to understand in making the distinction. Some people still might say, well, I still want to know what about our emails. Well, I'm telling you about her emails. She did end up winning an election. Y'all got this dude for a president instead, who got a Fox News host as his secretary of Defense, and they got to go along to get along gang cheering on the ineptitude that is costing people their lives.
There is a big difference. So now America, we're paying a cost. So, as far as I'm concerned today, that's all I got. I'm a pose here just in case there are any questions about what happened. Jeffrey Goldberg was affirmatively added to this thread by the National Security Advisor Michael Waltz, who works in the White House. That is how he got on the thread. They have affirmed that this thread was in fact the thing. He was not spooked.
He was not Ashton, your Punk. Some of you young people don't know nothing about that show Punk, but this was all the real thing. I wish I could tell you this is another episode of Real Housewives. But this is not just reality TV. This is the reality that we're living in, y'all, so it is a different day. Let me check for any questions that if we don't have any I'm a log off because I gave y'all a bunch of information. Lolo, I don't see any, So
we're gonna rap. All right, God bless y'all. We will talk soon and I will see you next week for the Solo pod, and I will see you on Thursday for Native lampod with my awesome co host Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillum. Until then, welcome home, y'all. You guys better pay attention to this news. Native Lampard is a
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