Nude Reflections with Debbi

I am a woman.

And as a woman, I have a space within my body that creates life and and creates period. And I'm just now getting access to the power that that provides and realizing how much in life I have resisted allowing myself to pleasure. Thank you for tuning in your consciousness to the Naked Human podcast. I want to acknowledge your presence and what it took for you to be here today. Listening. My intention for you is that you receive what you came here for and find what you didn't know you needed.

This podcast is about what it means to be a human being and what it really means to be naked and how our relationship with Mother Nature has the power to heal us. My name is Carrie Cott and I'm a nude nature photographer, licensed photo physician of Chinese medicine plant guide, and wild woman embodiment mentor. I help women heal from sexual trauma, awaken their authentic voice, and distinguish between fear and intuition so they can be led by their deep feminine heart.

I bring to life in this podcast my own internal wisdom. I will only share what I've learned and experienced on a personal level. As you listen, I encourage you to take from this what you need and just trash the rest. So happy listening. Welcome. Welcome to this very intimate episode where we travel into the hearts and the yonis of incredibly brave and courageous women who've said yes to the transformational journey within themselves and of the wild woman nude in nature experiences.

In today's conversation, we are connecting with Debbie Darchy. She is age of 54. Well, her body is right. And the title that she goes by, you know, in like, hey, what do you do? What's your career? And I love this so beautifully, is that she is the innkeeper of her heart who is in search of her. In her spirit animal is the deer. And actually, as I say that, I'm looking out my window and there's about five deer here. So Debbie, your spirit animal, is here with us supporting this conversation.

And Debbie is passionate about discovering the power of her yoni. And currently her favorite season is fall. She loves the vivid transition that fall brings. The time of gathering resources, of slowing down and reaping that which has been sown. The softening, the maturing, the crispness, the colors.

Ah. So thank you, Debbie, for being here and saying yes within your body and your heart and being vulnerable and sharing this part of you, all of you really, in this conversation together and with whatever interesting, incredible human being is listening in on this.

So I just want to acknowledge that up front because it takes something to be vulnerable, to be seen in this way and to have it to be heard by thousands of people or, hey, let's say millions of people listening to this podcast right now. That takes something, right? It takes something to be seen with one person. It takes something to be seen with 10 people. It just takes something. Let's just call it that. Yeah. So wholeheartedly acknowledging that for your vulnerability.

And let's just dive right in, drop right in, and open breathing into this space. And how are you? Thank you, Carrie. Thank you for all of that. Yeah. I feel like me popping in here with you and having this conversation is still just a part of it. It's still part of my own healing journey and discovery. So thank you for inviting me and thank you for allowing me this space. You're so welcome. So this is journey of doing specifically new to nature experiences together. This is.

You actually just signed up for journey number four. Is this correct? Right? Number four. This is number four for me. Yes. Yeah. So that takes something. And you shared about what you're passionate about right now is discovering the power of your yoni.

So let's open into that space and talk about what's illuminated for you in participating in these experiences as it relates to your yoni. Well, I really think it's. A lot of it has to do with conversations that I've been open up to that took me half a century to get access to, but this idea that. That I am a woman, and as a woman, I have a space within my body that creates life and. And creates. Period. And I'm just now getting access to the power that.

That provides and realizing how much in life I have resisted allowing myself pleasure and. And desire and yearning. Yeah. So every one of the prior three retreats or experiences that I've had with you being naked in nature and being in your spaces, a new layer has been stripped away for me. And. Yeah. So when I knew you were having a fourth one locally, I was like, yes, I. I'm there. I'm there. And I think, Debbie, it's a really powerful to say the. The layers. Right.

You know, we have these experiences, a conversation, we go to a retreat. Every moment is an opportunity for a layer to shed, and it's endless. So there is profound healing that when we go to this space that we access, and it just creates another new opening. And like how you talked about, you have this space within you, this physical part of you which is also your. You. Right. You're energetic. It's you.

You have this being a woman, you have this space that creates life and that Space is constantly birthing and when you birth, you release and then there's new opening and there's new space. So it's, I see in what you shared, you know, it's the layers and it's constantly emptying and receiving in, emptying and receiving in. Like that's the mechanism of the yoni is to expand, to receive in, to grow, to release, expand. And it's this evolution and it's the layers.

And you talked about the parts noticing, resisting pleasure, desire and yearning. And can you speak into that a bit more about how that's opened in connection of coming to one of these retreats? Like what have you specifically noticed about your yearning, about your pleasure and about your desire that has greater connection or opening, release for you? Well, our last retreat together, I believe it was the fir.

It may not have been the first time I expressed it to you, but it was the first time I expressed it in a larger group of women. And I mean one of the beautiful things about your retreats is it's just the vulnerability and the safety that we feel when we're with women who are willing to come together and be completely naked and completely vulnerable and know that they're safe.

So I shared, I think for the first time in that, that large of a space shame that I've had over, I was, I was sexually active, what I consider to be at a very young age

and sharing it in that space and being able to be seen and held in that space. I heard it for myself differently and I will say that from that point, so that event was about, you know, what, nine, ten months ago. And it's taken integration, it's taking other layers. But I also very recently, like when that shame came up, it still was so charged for me, like I couldn't say it without like falling apart and falling into pieces and crying, which is what was needed.

But I also just recently in another conversation I had with another woman who. Was at that event. He shared with me, she's like, well, what if, what if your body, what if you were just wanting, you were taking care of you, your 13 year old self was giving you what it needed. It needed to be seen and heard and wanted to feel these experiences. What if it was giving you exactly what you needed?

And I don't know, in that conversation something shifted for me and I realized how much I've been punishing myself for yearning or desiring things because of that shame. I don't think any of that would have come to me without having that space to be seen and Heard and witnessed in that sharing. Yeah, it's really powerful when we have a space to acknowledge something, because shame is repressed energy that we are judging as wrong and bad. And it's.

It's stuck and it's stored within us because it's shame. If it wasn't stuck and stored and shamed, it wouldn't be shame. Right. We're carrying it around inside of us in our body, in our life. And when we can bring it to light in an environment where we can just be seen and heard in it and have this opportunity to be with it and. Because it's a part of us. Right.

It's part of us that we've pushed away, and we bring it to light and we connect to it, and we're also witnessed with other people that we feel safe with. And it has an opportunity to heal, to reintegrate into you. And then it creates a greater space for more integration. Like, you shared. Like, you had this conversation. It was like, what if you were taking care of yourself? And that wouldn't have happened if you didn't have a space to even acknowledge it.

Like, awareness in itself, self acknowledgment in itself is so incredibly powerful. I actually believe it's like the most powerful thing ever is acknowledging shame, acknowledging this or whatever it is. But you acknowledging this now has space for. For this thought to come in of, like, hey, what if I was actually taking care of myself? And then that can land in a totally different way that brings this part of you, the little 13 girl in you home into yourself. That's really powerful.

Yeah, it really is. It is. And it's funny, whenever I've shared about this with others that I trust, I would always preface it by saying, well, I wasn't raped. I wasn't. Like, no one did anything against my will. And I realize now that that's not true. Like, yes, I allowed it to happen. I allowed things to happen. And. But there are things that I wouldn't have chosen. And I realized that I just. I take that with me.

I've taken it with me into every relationship I've had, every sexual encounter I've had. And like I said, this. This connection I've made to the shame and the yearning, it's huge. Like, it's a huge piece for me to get that connection and to be able to see where I've collapsed things and. Yeah. So with our next journey, I'm really looking to, like, expand my ability to allow in pleasure and to explore and even go within myself. You know, when you were reading my bio and talked about my in.

I never. Until you spoke it out loud, just in that moment got like, oh, yeah, it's called an in and it's going in. And I'm like, wow. Like just that. That connection just from you speaking it really something. And yeah, the part about owning an inn, there's like this nurturing piece that I feel like I have. I have held away from myself for so long. When I got. When I was raising my kids, I got to have some of that, but it's like I'm wanting to recreate that, and that's for myself.

Going within myself and having people stay with me in and in and. And feel nurtured. Yeah, it's all very connected. So. Wow. Thank you for creating that for me. Yeah, you're so welcome. And you know, just for the listeners, there's a couple of things to connect to. This conversation about the in and going in with Debbie and Debbie, can we talk about, like, going actually physically in yourself?

Yes, there's a. There's a part about Debbie going actually physically inside of herself, inside of her yoni. And then there's this other piece where Debbie has this heart vision of having a bed and breakfast in and this being this really beautiful space to welcome people to come in and for other retreat leaders, ceremony holders to also come and facilitate things there. So there's this whole layer that just got connected here in regard to a physical, tangible in and then going in yourself.

And then you created this bio title for yourself of who you are is the innkeeper. And so there's like this layer that just super pinged and also connected. And I'm totally seeing it now too. So let's dive into, like the actual going inside of your yoni, inside of your vagina and connecting with that, because that's the layer that has come open.

Talk about. Can you share about that in connection with what was there about all this shame and what wasn't happening so that, you know, those listening can. Can get like what wasn't happening with your body and your connection. And now within, like days is now different. Yes. So I. I have not gone within myself with my fingers, my hands. I. I can use toys. I've used toys and penises and. But I have not gone into myself. Not that I never have, but it's something that has always, like, scared me.

I've always been afraid I would. There's something so vulnerable there that I would hurt myself. I. And I've just been afraid to go in. And I realized this year that if I'm going to expand the pleasure that I'm allowing to. Willing to allow myself this year, that I need to understand what that actually is and be able to bring it to myself. And I literally registered for the fourth event for your recent retreat coming up in May, and within, like, a day or two, I'm like, you know, let me go slow.

Let me. Let me go in. Let me see if I can go in. Let me set a timer and see if I can. And I will tell you it took something, and I will tell you that I'm still, like, still exploring. It's not, like, pleasurable for me yet, but I. Yeah, and it's huge. It's huge. But I was able to go in one finger for five minutes, and I've done it a couple days now.

I keep setting a timer for myself, but I have it that this, like, even being allowed to talk about it is giving me the access that I've not had for a really long time. I can't even really explain to you why I can't go in or haven't gone in before. I, I. When I was younger and I would go to see a gynecologist, I would feel like I was going to pass out, like, any time anyone went in, and that went away when I had my kids. But I still get it from time to time, like, this flush.

Like, it's like this very powerful event of going in there, and there's just been something that's been. Yeah. Had me afraid to go in. So really excited to see what opens up from here. Literally. Literally. And that is just this. So powerful. So powerful, Debbie. That's a really big deal. It's a really big deal. And I think it's also important to note that it's okay to not know. There's a part of our brains that wants to know why.

And I also think there's a part of connecting with other people that has us feel like we need to have a why, you know, like. Or maybe we're used to people asking why. Why would you have a hard time doing that? Or why is that? You know, there's this. This why inquiry. And it's really powerful to be okay with not knowing why.

And I feel like you connect to this, to Debbie, of, like, being okay not knowing the why, and that can be really powerful and just sitting in it and exploring and maybe, maybe there'll be a moment where something clicks and it's like, wow. It was that moment when I was doing this, and then I heard a Noise and then I stopped.

You know, like it could be anything that shows up because there was something that happened when you went inside yourself at some point and it could have been somebody yelled in the next room and your body tensed. It could have been you heard your mom say something about self pleasure one day and then like your body tensed and that got in you, that got programmed in you as a natural response.

And maybe there'll be a moment where something clicks with that and maybe there won't and it'll be okay either way. The thing is that you're going in, you're going into this part of you that's been abandoned basically. And that is the medicine.

And as you continue to go in, it's going to unravel and open and regardless if you know why is going to be irrelevant because you're going to be experiencing more pleasure and continuing to look into this part of you that somebody told you at some point was wrong and bad and shameful and not okay. You know. So I just want to acknowledge that within you for not having the why and still going inward and giving yourself permission to discover.

You know, it's really uncomfortable to look at things within ourselves. And when there's like such. This context about it, there's such a story that got made up, right? And it's like, wow, it's intense and it's like, oh my gosh, it's just some story that I know that's not even true. But it's kept inside of the body, it's kept inside of the programming. So by actually touching yourself, touching the inside of your vagina, giving yourself permission to do that, you're.

You're creating a new environment and you're sending a message to yourself, to this part of you, that I'm okay. This is okay. You're reconnecting. I mean ultimately any part of ourselves that we've hidden is, is. Is a part of ourselves we, we put away. So you're reconnecting with you. Yeah, I think that's one of the. Another big thing I've gotten from our conversations is the why almost doesn't matter. Like this is what my body's been saying. My body's been saying that's something to be fear.

It's just, it's energetically there and I, I don't need to explain it, I don't need a why. I just know that that's what my experience has been. So it took me letting go of understanding why and it also took me letting go of any make wrong around it. Yeah. So I haven't gone in my own vagina, and I'm 54 years old, and so what? That's okay. And it took me something to get to that point because there was an awful lot of make wrong around that.

Yeah. I guess I realized now that the make wrong is just keeping me from pleasure and from enjoying my life more. Yeah, that's a. I got super chills on that because the make wrong is literally the thing that's in the way. Like, that's the thing that's creating a block. And I just had a moment the other day about something where I stopped with myself.

And I was like, you know, I said to myself, like, whether or not I do this thing or I don't do this thing, or I'm doing it right now or I'm not doing it right now, like, that's. That's. That's not the thing that sucks right now. It's the judgment about whether I'm doing it or not doing it. I was like, that's the thing that is painful and uncomfortable. And it's, like, getting that. It's. There's judgments about.

Fill in the blank judgment about, you know, being 54 years old and this being something that I just did with myself. Like, the judgment about that, as you stated, that's the thing that's heavy. And being able to acknowledge that gives her space to let it go. And every moment that you can find peace with that is a moment that you get more opening and more freedom.

Yes. I mean, I also recently discovered that I would let men go in, and I didn't want it, like, with their hands, and for the same reason, but I would just. I would grin and bear it. I'd grind through it. I'd. And I'm like, oh, my God. When I think back to that, I'm like, this is sex. It's supposed to be pleasurable, and this is what I've allowed to happen. And, yeah, just in that awareness. And again, there was judgment and make wrong that.

I mean, even now, I was like, how could I have done that to myself? But it's what I did. It's what I did. And was honestly, within the last month, able to have a conversation with. With my partner and just be like, look. And he even said he's like, so you've allowed me to do this? And you. And I'm like, yeah, that's exactly what happened. And, yeah, so we're starting from scratch on some things, which is actually really refreshing for myself.

Yeah. I'm hearing in Your sharing, this reclamation, reclaiming like you get to go inside of yourself first. You get to create, reclaim this space within you and giving voice with your partner, creating a new foundation. I'm just, I'm just like over here, honestly. And you know, also witnessing you. I've known you now for many, many years and so witnessing the transformation and seeing what's opening up. And this like a phoenix rising is the image that I, that I get is rising within you.

Thank you for sharing that. You know, I feel that connection when we say yes to things. Because what's different about this retreat, the upcoming retreat, the Yoni embodiment retreat, is that we are doing Yodi massage. So there was already this invitation in this space of going within and touching the inside of you with your own hands, in your own permission. And that's the power.

When we say yes to things, even if we're scared and uncomfortable and we say yes, like, you know, the growth edge fear, not the fear of like, no, this is a big no for me. But the, yeah, the growth edge fear, that's like, oh my gosh, this is uncomfortable. Oh, I'm scared. Or like I'm excited, but I'm also nervous. You know, when we say yes to those things, we create an opening that the medicine is already evolving and happening for you.

And after you filled out your intake form, after you registered, there was another layer of opening which by the way is the purpose of the take form is to shed another layer, like every part of that process so that you can open and open and open. And you said yes, you said yes to that within yourself.

And you know, it's really powerful to also acknowledge Debbie, especially since you shared about, you know, there was this part of you that would say, well, I wasn't raped, you know, and yet you've had these experiences where you didn't really want to do things. And whether you've been actually technically raped or not, so many women have these experiences because we're like born with this people pleasing gene.

And there's a whole biological aspect of that that I've discovered, you know, and it's important to, to be aware of that within us of safety and protection and. But there's so many experiences that we as women have and that you've had where you said yes ultimately to something that was a no and whether that was actual rape or not, it's the, it's, it's a vi. It's a self violating, self abandoning experience. And so you get to own those feelings and that experience for yourself.

And I think it's bullshit if anybody says that. Well, that doesn't seem like that big of a deal because it is a big deal. It's your experience. And any violation or any time we self abandon and we say, okay, yeah, here's my body and we remove ourselves, our hearts from our bodies. Like that's a really big deal. And that has a really big impact, you know, that has all sorts of impacts.

And not letting people get close to us in abilities to orgasm, use our voice, you know, sleep issues, back pain, all sorts of things can manifest from that because we disassociate. And that disassociation is, is very real, you know, and it's that programming has impacted you for many years and now you're reclaiming, you're reclaiming it within yourself. And yeah, 54 better than 55. That's right. There's something like the, the best time is always now the time that it's happening.

And like it can be really excruciating when it's not happening. It's like, yeah, I have perfect timing, alignment, whatever, but when it happens it's like, oh my gosh, yes, this is the perfect time. I'm ready for this. Yeah, yeah, it is the perfect time. I mean, you know, love and connection, like human connection is. It's like water and air. It's like we need those things. So when I was 13 years old, that's what I needed.

But I didn't need intercourse and I didn't need fingers in my vagina, you. Know what I mean? So it was like, but no one teaches you, you're not taught this, you're not taught. And you're also not taught to get it for yourself, right? That connection, that human connection and love. So yeah, I'm forgiving my 13 year old for not knowing and having a voice and saying, yeah, you just wanted to be held and seen and you got a whole lot more than that. But at the time I didn't know.

And yeah, I'm going to stop making myself wrong for wanting some love and connection. Yeah, and that powerful piece about how we weren't taught to get it for ourselves, right? It's to give it to others. Like I give my body for your pleasure, but you know, not mine. I partially can't have any pleasure in this experience. And like, oh, wanting love and connection is wrong and bad.

You should be able to give that to yourself and you know, all the, the layers and the layers of that and having compassion for that 13 year old you because that's you, that's you, Debbie. And she, more of her, wants to be home inside of you.

You know, it's just like this 13 year old you has been shamed and separate and now she's returning home and you're returning home to yourself and sucks to have a voice that is really hard on ourselves and judgmental about something we did at any point, you know, whether it was yesterday or when we were 13. It's hard. And having compassion for her, exploring and desiring and yearning and wanting to experience pleasure and not having a roadmap, not having someone there to help her.

But she has you now. And you guys are diving. Diving in. Graded. Yeah, diving in together. That's what I see is you get this image of you and you as 13, like saying, hey, you know what? We're gonna go in and we're just gonna explore. And it's me and you, it's just us doing this. Beautiful. Yeah. So is there anything else in your heart space about all of this or for this moment, this part of this moment of this conversation?

Is there anything in your heart space that's really yearning that you would love to share for yourself or anyone who's listening? I think the one other thing I want to share is that you really can't even imagine what magic would happen. Like, I. I know one of the things I've shared with you over this last year, since our last retreat is, you know, I am now postmenopausal. I no longer bleed.

But when we were in circle and you were sharing about taking care of yourself when you're bleeding because you're tender and you're, you know, it is, it is such a tender time. And I never allowed myself the space, never allowed myself the space to take care of myself or think of it that way. Think of it as a time to really nurture yourself. And I remember, like, wishing, like missing that I had. I no longer had my period. And I also, I went to another women's circle and did the same thing.

I was around younger women who were kind of, you know, chastising their period. And I'm like, oh, I really honestly wish I could have one again so I could be tender with myself. And. And lo and behold, like a month later, I started bleeding. Do you remember me sharing with you about that? Oh, yes. I remember this magic. And, you know, for a post menopausal woman to start bleeding, there's all kinds of, you know, in the medical world, all kinds of concerns about that.

And I'm so grateful that I circled back to you for that conversation because you're basically like. Sounds to me like you manifested getting your period. And I was. I was crampy, all those things. And I really feel like I allowed myself the space. Space that I, as a. You know, as a woman, otherwise, when I was having my period, I allowed myself the space to slow down and take care of myself and nap and rest and. And nourish myself during that time. And it was. Yeah, I was. I was scared.

I was scared because, gosh, the doctors I went to were creating fear, which is a recurring theme for me, by the way. I had a cyst on my. On my left ovary that I had removed that I'm recently realizing I'm really super angry about. So that's some more stuff I intend to bring to your retreat and release.

But. But yeah, how about maybe I just manifested in my period and they, you know, the opportunity to just treat myself differently in that space than I ever had before. So that was pretty magical. Yeah, I think that's quite badass. And, yeah, you know, the menstrual cycle is a really magical process.

And I had witnessed you share multiple times about that feeling and that connection of wishing that you could have your period in this way of, like, in the listening of, like, if I had my period period, I could have this opportunity to, like, take care of myself in a way that I never had before. And I didn't know about this. And, you know, and so I witnessed you share that many times.

And so when you called me and you shared about bleeding, what was right there for me was like, wow, Debbie, come on. You were just so. In this. This heart. This. I could feel your heart in it. And this, you know, just even opening up the conversation of what your first bleed was like and. And all these layers that had happened before that. And, you know, when.

When we start to go within parts of ourselves, things can happen in our body because our body is the one in the physical realm holding and storing and reflecting all of our unresolved things and also our resolved open parts. Right. So when we start unpacking and going within, things can happen. And a lot of times, I think there's this assumption that it might just all be glitter and glamour. You know, it's like, I'm just gonna feel amazing the whole time.

And if something comes up, something's wrong. You know, that's what we're taught. Like, oh, my gosh, I have this symptom. This thing is happening. Something's wrong. Well, something's happening, right? And when there's a part of ourselves that's been congested physically, emotionally, it's been congested, and we start to unlock that. You know, it's like unclogging pipes. Like, it doesn't come out clear and beautiful.

And sometimes maybe it does, and then maybe it starts coming out this brown ooky stuff. Like things start moving, that we're stuck. And so, you know, having witnessed that within you and then you sharing that with me, I just saw the movement of something that was really dormant and tucked away. And also, as you shared it had this opening of possibility to be gentle with yourself and to take care of yourself and to be connected. And I just think. I just think, damn, you're so powerful.

You manifested a period, an opportunity, healing and this space to connect with yourself. You know, even when you talked about, like, feeling the feelings of cramping, and it can literally be like you're reliving your period or the way that you left it or at last was for you. You know, the way that it last was for you even before you took birth control. And what was right there might have been that experience that you revisited. Yeah, it was definitely a healing opportunity.

And, you know, I have a good friend who is a functional doctor, and when I was going through it, she's like, you know, it's likely hormonal, so. So, you know, what you said, it's like, this is our. This is our body going through this experience. So I do believe that something in my body shifted that allowed for all of it to happen. And. Yeah. And love the reflection that just because there's a symptom doesn't. Doesn't mean there's necessarily something wrong.

That's a new concept for me to play with because that's not been my history or family history or societal history. So. Another great lesson. Yeah. I would tell my patients, it's your check engine light. It's just alerting you to something. Yeah. You know, it's alerting.

Every emotion is alerting you to something. Every physical response sensation is alerting you to something. Right. You can feel joy. That's alerting you to something. You can feel anger. It's alerting you to something. You can have this release of the blood. It's. It's giving you information. It's showing you something thing. And you could feel tingles, and that's giving you information. So when we take it down to that baseline, it doesn't have to mean something's right or wrong or good or bad.

It's. It's signaling and the, the check engine light is helping you take a look and see. Okay, what's going on? How do I feel about this? What's showing up for me? And you can like, you know, dive deeper, deeper into those, to those layers of whatever symptom is there. Because our, our bodies are like these beautiful creatures, let's call them creatures, these little full creatures that love us so much.

You know, we have this beautiful vessel that's like just given us everything it's got in shine. Showing, showing us. And we'll do whatever it takes to, to thrive and survive. And mirror. Hey, hey, Captain. Something's going on here. It's just saying something's going on here. You know, like an orgasm is saying something's going on here. A stub toe, something's going on here. And you know, how beautiful to have the awareness now that, hey, you know, I've heard that in this conversation today.

It's like, hey, you know, maybe this doesn't really mean this. Maybe this could mean this. And hey, maybe this was 13 year old me giving myself something that I needed, taking care of myself. Hey, maybe it's okay that I'm 54 and this is what I'm experiencing now. Yeah, I feel so much more space around this topic than I ever have. Like so much more openness. The clothes being closed. So exhausting, really is. Did you say closed and clothes? Both. Yeah. But I just wanted to clarify.

Yes, both being closed is exhausting and having to cover ourselves up because, you know, we're not necessarily freely choosing to wear clothes. Yeah, right. Yeah. And for those who have never experienced being naked outside in nature, there's that piece in it of itself, of our time together is like healing beyond words. There's like a freeness and a connection. And. And something I didn't know was so easily available to me until our experiences together.

So I'm super grateful for having that awareness. Yeah, I agree. It's a space that. It's pretty indescribable and it feels really innate, like, like it just makes sense, but there's no words for it. You don't have to know why. No, I think that's a beautiful space for us to close this conversation for now knowing that there's always room for more.

Thank you, Debbie, for sharing your beautiful vulnerable heart, for being courageous to be seen together here and to share this with each and everyone listening. It's a gift, trusting in the greatest and highest purpose for all of us to return home to ourselves. And for now, we're complete. Thank you, Carrie. I love you. I love you. Thank you for tuning your consciousness to this episode of the Naked Human.

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